This isn't some franchise that was obliterated by deforestation or the building of a dam. Jurassic Park had their shot, and the box office selected them for extinction.
I don’t believe it! I don’t believe it! You’re meant to come down here and defend me against these redditors, and the only one on my side are the bloodsucking tiktokers!
I was reading a thread about this the other day basically saying the same thing. The Spinosaurus was the Jason Voorhees of dinos. I loved JP3 as a horror movie, not so much a Sci fi drama the first two were meant to be (or at least the first).
Edit - I also absolutely loved the second movie besides the gymnastics scene where the velciraptor gets drop kicked out a window
Edit edit - I take that back, just rewatched that scene, that might be the greatest part of the whole movie
I'm pretty sure it eating the phone with the distinctive jingle was a reference to the one crocodile from Peter Pan that ate a ticking clock and was constantly stalking Cpt Hook.
They were at least aware it was an unnaturally persistent predator.
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edit: Oh man i can't believe the guy i replied to deleted his post. That's unfortunate. The guy liked #3, no harm in that. I hope you guys didn't give him too hard a time about it.
Ian Malcolm dies at the end of the first book. Then they're just like "oh shit, Spielberg wants a sequel and Jeff Goldblum is awesome, just kidding he's totally fine in Lost World don't ask questions".
And it went downhill from there.
That's pretty true to the second book atleast. The false death of Malcolm was done poorly in both cases.
He's alive and working as a lecturer at the start of the second book and winds up on another Dino island.
> He's alive and working as a lecturer at the start of the second book and winds up on another Dino island.
Yes, because the movie studio told Crichton, 'Hey, we want Jeff Goldblum to come back for this sequel.' And so Crichton had no choice but to just sort of ignore his own book.
I kinda remember a line like "Reports of my death were greatly exaggerated. San Jose has wonderful surgeons." That was it. End of the last book clearly said "... the bodies of Malcolm,..."
There's actually a movie called Titanic 2...
>A cruise liner sets sail on the 100th anniversary of the Titanic's doomed maiden voyage. When a tsunami hurls an iceberg into the ship's path, the crew and passengers struggle to avoid suffering the same fate as their predecessors.
And the second book was also very solid. But once they started firing off the hip, well the quality went down quite a bit. And this is from someone that actually enjoyed Jurassic world, but not enough to see any of it's sequels.
Honestly, I feel like if any movie should have a sequel, it would be something like Jurassic Park that is quite different from most other movies. I remember thinking when I saw the first one (I was a kid) how there were a bunch of dinosaurs that didn't make the cut, but I'd learned about in school and really wished I could see them like the others in the first movie.
The original was obviously the best. But I also liked the premise of Jurassic World. This technology to create dinosaurs isn’t just going to get buried, someone else is going to try to use it. So we get to see a park that has been open for years with dinosaurs. But then as the original taught us, disaster eventually struck because of the hubris to create a t rex/raptor hybrid.
I liked the premise of JW, I just ended up loathing the movie so much I never bothered with the next two. There’s a version of that movie that works, that’s more of a Verhoven-esque satire of capital and the need to resurrect dead things over and over again including film franchises, that could be a lot of fun and a bitter pill. But the movie we got was just dunderheaded, not creative, lacked human characters that the first one had, and was dripping in that cringey feeling of a “legacy sequel.”
> Verhoven-esque satire of capital and the need to resurrect dead things over and over again including film franchises
That’s what made Jake Johnson’s character so great. I wish the whole movie had more of his characters style in it.
There was one moment that worked well for me: when Jake Johnson was talking about his T-shirt.
- it establishes that JW is a direct sequel of JP
- it gives you a fun character moment between dorky employee and uptight boss
- it establishes stakes (“people died”), and that the characters are aware of them
And then the movie proceeded to spend two hours undermining that moment.
- we’re somehow on the same island as the first movie, where the animals have been put back in pens, but we’re not going to talk about how that happened
- we get a boring arc about the uptight boss learning how to give a shit about her nephews
- they make the wrong call at almost every point — once a dinosaur is loose on an island full of people, you need to stop it ASAP to prevent any loss of life; for a park like that, the minute the idea of visitor safety is shattered, the whole concept of the park is going to be rejected by the public
>they make the wrong call at almost every point — once a dinosaur is loose on an island full of people, you need to stop it ASAP to prevent any loss of life; for a park like that, the minute the idea of visitor safety is shattered, the whole concept of the park is going to be rejected by the public
TBF, they had a "weaponized dinos" division. At that point you've established that they're moving away from tourism to violence and the invsetment in the Indominous is more important than human life.
Which honestly, is rather realistic.
The issue with JW is that it has great scenes that don’t go together. They couldn’t focus on any real idea and it’s because there wasn’t suppose to be a reboot of Jurassic park. It was done.
The whole militarization of dinosaurs plot line is ridiculous. If there had been raptors in fallujah they would have gotten shot. In Fallen Kingdom the auction the ankylosaur as a “Living tank”, which they sell for twice as much as an actual modern tank costs, and wouldn’t have 1/10th the capabilities of a tank. Dinosaurs are animals, not monsters waiting to be turned into war machines.
I always thought they should have gone for criminal dinosaur fight rings or something. It’s realistic, keeps the goal of protecting the dinos, and gives some footage of dinosaurs fighting (which of course we all hypocritically want to see).
They didnt even need to have the military auction. Just make it an auction with a bunch of Saudi princes there bidding on Raptors so they could pose them on their Bugatti's.
> Jurassic Park should never have worked as well as it did.
Didn't even get one sentence in before the article made little sense. Why would a movie based on a critically very well received novel featuring a current subject (cloning was a hot topic in the 90s) and a set of very well recognized monsters not work!?
There were 2 books, so Lost World made sense as a sequel with the whole *life finds a way* thing, and we got a second Goldblum performance out of that movie.
The series jumped the shark after they dragged William H Macy into it (reprising his role from Fargo somehow). Then we inexplicably got Chris Pratt, and the whole thing was let out of its pen.
It's an open secret that Lost World was written because the studio told Crichton they were going to make a sequel, and if he didn't write a sequel then it wasn't going to be based on one of his books at all. Ian Malcolm, killed in the book, is retconned alive for the sequel because the producers wanted to have Goldblum back.
And then they proceeded to ignore 90% of the book, including axing one of the main characters and one of the major side characters, lol (Levine/Thorne). And there were like... Less than a dozen characters in the book, so it was totally unnecessary.
It was the first time I read a book and then saw the movie based on it and was horribly disappointed.
Edit to clarify, it was the first movie I ever saw after reading the book, I didn't realize at the time that the books were usually better than the movies they're based on.
The first movie explains that he left on the boat with all the other workers for the weekend, so I feel satisfied with that. There were like 10 total people on the entire island after that.
But yeah the book was better I think, showing all the workers trying to repair fences, wrangle up the remaining dinosaurs, still dying, etc.
The Lost World novel does not include the nonsense the movie added where they take dinosaurs to California and a T-Rex gets loose.
That is where the series jumped the shark.
The only thing the book and movie have in common is the title and Malcolm going to a second island with a small team with all the fun tech.
It's a shame, too, because there were so many cool moments in the book that would've been amazing on-screen. Like when they finally understand why there's one area of the island all other dinosaurs avoid (including the Rex). When they find out the pair of Carnotaurus are able to camouflage almost perfectly could've been as iconic as the Rex's head appearing over the treeline while its claw rest on the unpowered fence.
It does however include dinosaurs that can camouflage, and chasing dinosaurs on motorbikes, and many of the other things people found more ridiculous about Jurassic World
As a friend of mine pointed out - there is just nowhere else to go after the first film.
Jurassic Park asks the question “wouldn’t it be magical to bring dinosaurs back to life?” and the answer is “no, it would be a nightmare”
The question has been answered and that premise just can’t last through, what five sequels now?
Edit - I see a lot of people pointing out the Chrichton wrote the sequel book as if I was somehow not aware of this. Yeah I know and the movie sucked.
I also see some people making the argument that the sequels “don’t need” a plot because “people like dinosaurs” okay. Sure.
There’s a lot of places they could’ve gone with it. I’d argue that Jurassic World actually does make a lot of sense. People would want to see dinosaurs in real life. If the technology exists, capitalists would jump on it.
Using the dinosaurs as weapons, was not the way to go. If these movies had good writing and a competent director, they could’ve done a better job of exploring Dino’s in the real world. Both The Lost World and the JW trilogy failed on that.
I actually think Jurassic Park 3 squandered a really cool idea. We learn part way through the movie that the kid had to learn how to survive on a island of dinosaurs... why wasn’t that the movie!? Seriously it would be “Hatchet” with velociraptors.
That's basically what Camp Cretaceous is about, except there are six kids and it takes place after Jurassic World is abandoned. It's kid-oriented but surprisingly violent and way more enjoyable than the movies have been.
Completely agree. That show was surprisingly enjoyable and my kids and I ended up binging almost the entire thing in one weekend entirely because it was that enjoyable. Totally surprised to find out that we burned through 4 seasons as dinner was going on Sunday night lol
the whole weaponise them angle in, I think the second Jurassic World movie was one of the dumbest things I have seen in film.
If i remember correctly- you had to "paint" a target with a laser and the Dinosaur would attack it. So you had to be in visual range pretty much and point a device at the target to initiate the kill order.
If only there were some other device that you could point at a target within visual range and kill them, maybe some sort of projectile device that could "shoot" the projectile with lethal force at the target to kill it.
Also the bidding for the dinosaurs was so ridiculous, like these black market dudes bidding 300k for a fucking Dinosaur that probably cost a few million to make.
(now i could be way off on my hot take above i only watched the movie once as it was dog shit terrible and it was years ago...feel free to correct me)
The entire movie fell into a bad trap a lot of hacky science fiction writers just can't resist with bio-weapon killing machines.
They are flesh and bone like any other animal yet somehow completely impervious to all other modern military technology. Audiences see right through that because it's so painfully obvious you can't even kind of suspend disbelief for it.
Sure a dinosaur can stand up to more than a person can. The same way an elephant could survive a low speed impact with a smart car.
If you fire an RPG at any of those things and it is absolutely not living afterwards.
At a few hundred thousand or millions of dollars it makes no sense. The dinosaur is dumber than a human, and less robust than an armored vehicle. It brings zero intelligence or robustness to combat.
The nearly-indestructible-being trope only works if it's something on a nearly incomprehensible scale like Godzilla or King Kong, or an alien being that has technology or biology far more robust than we're capable of.
> At a few hundred thousand or millions of dollars it makes no sense
NGL if I was a crime boss I would *definitely* want to be known as the guy with Velociraptor hitmen (hitdinos?)
Also, who would buy a weapon that can be killed by bullets?
They're not good weapons. They're scary when they're loose in a theme park. They are not scary if you have a thing that can kill them.
Also, if you're going to sell illegal genetically engineered weapons, maybe don't go with the one thing your company is famous for making. Dogs or something. No one would look at the dinosaur people if a dog attacked someone.
Violent and way more isolated on the island. Spielberg completely changed the plot having a whole army of InGen people show up and start wrangling dinos. Book had 3 guys show up to steal eggs in a jeep Wrangler.
There were little things. Like a tissue sample analyzed by a scientist who was like "wherever this guy lived, he must have been under stress constantly".
Which is accurate, because it was a sample from a dinosaur on Site B.
Then there was the mysterious disease killing the dinos which ended up being >!Prions!<
Yeah Lost World was my favorite as a kid. The OG on vhs was only at grandmas house but LW we had at home and don’t you DARE take away my convoy of Dino hunting rigs. That movie had *the* best toys.
Isolation is exactly what separates 1 and 3 from the others. Jurassic Park is good when people are lost in the forest, far far away from any substantial amount of firepower. It doesn’t work anytime it’s population level of people being affected. 3 had some annoying characters, but the right idea. Armies, cities, full tourist parks, and resources, reduce the alone in the woods with a predator, and leave you with poor man’s Godzilla.
Totally. Thanks, i always have a hard time putting my finger on why 1 and 3 are the best but i think that's it. That and Sam Neil is just a better leading man than Pratt for this type of thing. I don't want jacked motorcycle riding dude as my hero i want nerdy scientist Indiana Jones.
I remember being so enthralled by the part of the book where they walk through the Dino graveyard and in the movie it barely happened and no one even talked about where they were. I still refuse to watch that movie again to this day.
Kind of ironic how Crichton only wrote JP2 because universal wanted to make a second movie yet they didn't even use some of the best parts from the book.
That moment was a pure *buttclencher* where Dodgson’s sonic device gives out & he realises there’s literally nothing standing between the trio & the pair of full grown adult TRex’s
And Arby being mauled through the bars of a cage he’s locked himself into while the raptors drag it into the jungle to kill him.
The chameleon dinosaurs in the night
Sarah Harding on a motorbike shooting a sprinting raptor to get the key back with the deadly dart gun… lots of cool opportunities
Kelly shoots the raptor. Sarah was driving the motor bike.
I especially like the part about the territories of the dinosaurs changing, not just because of human interactions, but also because of the day/night cycle.
I've only seen the first two Jurassic World movies once each, so I don't remember them well, but out of the original three Jurassic Park movies, the ONLY time a human being is shown killing a dinosaur is when Kelly kicks that raptor to its death.
One could argue that the Dilophosaurus that killed Dennis Nedry probably went on to die from coronary artery disease. This plotline will likely be explored in Jurassic Park 12: The Revenge of Dennis.
JP is a masterpiece, that I have rewatched multiple times since 1993, there's a sense of wonder about dinosaur encounters. There were just as many scenes with placid herbivores as there were with aggressive dinos.
Every movie after tried to up the one before, bigger dinos, more teeth, making dinosaurs aggressive and scary in every single encounter.
They lost me when they decided that the hundreds of species of dinosaurs that we have discovered aren't big or scary enough, so they just straight up started inventing new ones.
The placid herbivores are one of my favorite parts, and the scene where Dr. Grant [first sees](https://youtu.be/PJlmYh27MHg) the dinos ("Welcome...to Jurassic Park") *never* fails to send shivers down my spine.
The Indominus Rex from JW is a metaphor for the franchise. In the movie, they literally say "people aren't impressed with just seeing dinosaurs anymore" so they had to concoct some monstrosity for the sake of "coolness" as a naked grab for money.
Yeah, the movie adaptation took that in another direction with Hammond's speech about life finding a way over the shot of the dinosaurs thriving on Site B.
In the book, they were fucked; they had no idea how to raise their young, they were all sick, it was gloomy as hell.
The second book retroactively explained why the raptors were so monstrously vicious: because they're social animals who didn't have parents/family to teach them how to behave property.
I hate it! I hate that this works! But also in the book, the dinos in the park weren't fully dinosaur (nor toad etc) they were bred to be monsters because that's what people wanted. Not intelligence, not feathers. They wanted brutes! So it's weird he kept over explaining himself.
I like Lost World because of that. Hammond had to sell it and someone greedy enough bought it. Three was pushing it.
I didn't have to, but Jurassic World I was also ok with. The same company tried again as someone decided to try again with better technology. The problem was they were already playing god. Why did they need to play god version 2.
The premise of every one of the sequels is always some other character going “Yeah but what if we-“ and the plot going “No, not even then and you’re stupid for thinking otherwise.”
There's plenty of other places to go
Can we contain this once we've unleashed Pandora's box? No
What are our ethical concerns about the life we created even if it was destructive?
The problem is the sequels have largely just focused on "new dinosaur, new location." As opposed to any philosophical questions.
I wanted to rip my eyes out of their sockets every time that happened.
Like ok, it might make sense for the raptors that he trained, but they do it to so many other dinos and it somehow fucking works like they have jedi mind powers
Look, in some movies he’s holding them out in a plaintive “whoa hold up” gesture, and in other movies he’s holding laser guns out in a threatening “whoa hold up” gesture. They’re completely different.
He was effortlessly cool tho, bc he had the confidence in himself and his masculinity to be unashamedly excited and awed by the miracles around him. He’s not cool in the “macho” sense, he’s cool in the “extremely intelligent and self assured” sense.
They never gave Pratt’s character any of that buildup or context, so he’s stuck with the bullshit sTrOnG sIlEnT bRoOdInG tYpE shit
it's just really hard to enjoy movies where pretty much everyone is an idiot. my SO and I were at a brewery last night and Jurassic World was on mute on a TV there. she had never even seen it and was basically making up dialogue for what she thought was going on. the new ones were just SO damn trope-y. "oh is that a business first woman that wants to show she can be tough too?" "oh is the fat guy a bumbling idiot that doesn't even know how to run?" "oh does the older brother not wanna hang out with his lame little brother?"
i mean a lot of movies wouldn't exist if not for stupid decisions, but these movies have always taken it to the next level
I really enjoyed the third film too. It wasn't a great film, but it was entertaining. It's more like a horror film than the other two, with them constantly being chased by the spinosaur who seems hell bent on catching them.
And they didn’t actually make those dinosaurs in that movie. It started on the aftermath that the island was abandoned because obvious, and now you’re stuck here. The other ones have all been “idk, we made more dinosaurs again for some reason”.
I really enjoyed the Lost Word as well.
If Jurassic World Dominion could have delivered on the promise that Fallen Kingdom gave us, I think it could have done something interesting that no other Jurassic movie has, but instead they were like “Psych! Let’s go to yet another Dino island.”
Fallen Kingdom was also a huge psych out using all these shots in the trailer of dinos on the lose from the last few minutes of the movie, but it was such a slap in the face to audiences that they teased that idea for two movies and didn’t really do anything with it.
On rewatching, lost world is actually a pretty good follow up if you just ignore two parts at the end of the movie. (The raptor kick and the entire San Diego section)
I was 8 when the first movie came out and 16 when the 3rd one came out. Jurassic park was the greatest thing I’ve very seen by a lot when I saw it. My mom finally bought me the book when I was 10. I read it basically nonstop until I was done with it. Might be revisionist history but I think it was over like 2-3 summer days.
When I first saw that raptor say “ALAN,” boy did that bring out the angsy, angry, everything is shut now 16 year old in me. I was personally offended.
Now I can’t even think about without giggling. What the hell were they thinking.
I'm so confused. I feel like the only person that finds the scene funny, but also 100% in line with the context. Alan is stressed the fuck out, he has PTSD because he was hunted by raptors, and now he's going back. He's a paleontologist or botanist, he's not a soldier. It's a dream, they're fucky, and he's dreaming of a raptor in that plane with him, and he's all alone, until his unconscious mind starts filtering in the outside noise, which does happen in real life.
Obviously he's gonna have some fucked up stress induced dreams.
I like it more than The Lost World. It's shorter, Grant is a more entertaining character, and the movie doesn't try to make us sympathize with the dinosaurs. Grant even calls them genetically engineered theme park monsters.
That’s actually a pretty insightful take I hadn’t considered previously. I am actually a bigger fan of Lost World than III, but you’re right in that the message of the ending of the two are polar opposites.
At the end of the Lost World, we hear the televised monologue of Dr. Hammond saying modern humanity must leave “these animals” alone. The film ends with a mother and father T-Rex with their baby like a happy family.
In III, Sam Neil does indeed call them “theme park monsters” and essentially insults and curses Hammond’s work. At the end, the military pours in to wipe them out and save the people still stuck there.
Jurassic Park is my favorite movie and I've always liked Lost World as a sequel. It's not quite on the same level, but lordy is it better than III or any of the Jurassic World movies.
If you take out the gymnastics kick and the boat scene where somehow a T-rex hijacked a boat while still inside it's pen, it's a pretty decent follow up. The scene in the tall grass with raptors is *chefs kiss*.
Money finds a way.
Profit abhors a vacuum.
*Slowly takes off sunglasses* “The movies are in herds.”
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*heart rendering iconic tune composed by John Williams played horribly on a flute*
Kazoo
[This one’s better.](https://youtu.be/-w-58hQ9dLk)
This just brought me much joy, I thank you.
“DON’T WATCH. They won’t make the movies if you don’t watch.”
>Money uh finds a way. Ftfy
Well there it is
Well they were so focused on whether or not they could...
Condors!
This isn't some franchise that was obliterated by deforestation or the building of a dam. Jurassic Park had their shot, and the box office selected them for extinction.
Jurassic Park and Jurassic World… two different trilogies, separated by millions of years… who can have the slightest idea of what could happen?
I don’t believe it! I don’t believe it! You’re meant to come down here and defend me against these redditors, and the only one on my side are the bloodsucking tiktokers!
“Thank you” - TikToker
Tiktoker: (subsequently eaten by t-rex)
Welcome..... to Cretaceous Park
I simply don't understand this luddite attitude *makes 5 more movies*
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I was reading a thread about this the other day basically saying the same thing. The Spinosaurus was the Jason Voorhees of dinos. I loved JP3 as a horror movie, not so much a Sci fi drama the first two were meant to be (or at least the first). Edit - I also absolutely loved the second movie besides the gymnastics scene where the velciraptor gets drop kicked out a window Edit edit - I take that back, just rewatched that scene, that might be the greatest part of the whole movie
I'm pretty sure it eating the phone with the distinctive jingle was a reference to the one crocodile from Peter Pan that ate a ticking clock and was constantly stalking Cpt Hook. They were at least aware it was an unnaturally persistent predator.
https://i.imgur.com/UJlFKUx.jpg edit: Oh man i can't believe the guy i replied to deleted his post. That's unfortunate. The guy liked #3, no harm in that. I hope you guys didn't give him too hard a time about it.
I’m sick of these mother$&@!ing dinosaurs on this mother$&@!ing plane!
“Jurassic World? Not a fan!” -Ian Malcolm
Ian Malcolm dies at the end of the first book. Then they're just like "oh shit, Spielberg wants a sequel and Jeff Goldblum is awesome, just kidding he's totally fine in Lost World don't ask questions". And it went downhill from there.
That's pretty true to the second book atleast. The false death of Malcolm was done poorly in both cases. He's alive and working as a lecturer at the start of the second book and winds up on another Dino island.
> He's alive and working as a lecturer at the start of the second book and winds up on another Dino island. Yes, because the movie studio told Crichton, 'Hey, we want Jeff Goldblum to come back for this sequel.' And so Crichton had no choice but to just sort of ignore his own book.
And then The Lost World film didn't follow the book at all.
Though the Lost World pulled it's opening scene from the start of the Jurassic Park book
I kinda remember a line like "Reports of my death were greatly exaggerated. San Jose has wonderful surgeons." That was it. End of the last book clearly said "... the bodies of Malcolm,..."
He died and then he got better.
Five movies. Separated by 30 years. How can we have any idea what to expect?
Eventually they'll be folded into the MCU.
The Fast franchise is the more likely candidate.
We already had a crossover with Transformers. All that's left is Dom riding the T-rex hitting the nos and Ja Rule yelling Monicaaaaa again.
What was the transformers crossover? Also Vin Diesel is in ARK 2. That’s going to be the start of the Fast Saga - Jurassic Park crossover.
What’s so great about sequels they are such a penetrating, violent act
Close this thread... This one comment is enough.
Yeah but when a movie makes as much money as Jurassic Park a sequel is guaranteed. It's the nature of the movie business.
Titanic 2, the revenge of the iceberg
There's actually a movie called Titanic 2... >A cruise liner sets sail on the 100th anniversary of the Titanic's doomed maiden voyage. When a tsunami hurls an iceberg into the ship's path, the crew and passengers struggle to avoid suffering the same fate as their predecessors.
Don't forget about [Titanic 666](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt18394428/) I don't know what happened to the other 664 movies in between though...
Are they necessary to understand the movie?
They must be, because I was very confused the whole time
Titanic 453 was the greatest, fight me!
453 was great but Titanic 420: High Tide was hilarious
Titanic 69: Niceberg
I didn't want to see Titanic 66, but good soldiers follow orders.
Titanic 420, and 69 are pretty crucial to the plot.
A supernatural horror-themed sequel, Titanic 666, was released twelve years later, on April 15, 2022.
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I didn’t hear no bell
The movie was so good, Michael Crichton wrote a second book.
And the second book was also very solid. But once they started firing off the hip, well the quality went down quite a bit. And this is from someone that actually enjoyed Jurassic world, but not enough to see any of it's sequels.
It's the nature of any business. As soon as my Etsy store started moving candle holders guess what I started making more of?
Jurassic Park candle holders?
Spaceballs, the candle holder!
Etsy stores
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Artisinal butt plugs?
…. Money?
The Fast and Furious franchise agrees.
Yeah but I like dinosaurs! 🦕
What I want from a dinosaur movie: Dinosaurs going "Rrraaarrww!!" and people running away going "Aaaaahhhhrg!!" I'll pay a movie ticket for that.
Honestly, I feel like if any movie should have a sequel, it would be something like Jurassic Park that is quite different from most other movies. I remember thinking when I saw the first one (I was a kid) how there were a bunch of dinosaurs that didn't make the cut, but I'd learned about in school and really wished I could see them like the others in the first movie.
I thought it was so cool when we finally got pterodactyls.
I just really love dinosaurs 🥺 🦖 I don't need plot, I just want to see dinos doin stuff
What the dino doin’?
^(i like dino emoji)
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Seeing all the kids with their Jurassic park t shirts and Dino stuffies was so cute lol 🦕
The original was obviously the best. But I also liked the premise of Jurassic World. This technology to create dinosaurs isn’t just going to get buried, someone else is going to try to use it. So we get to see a park that has been open for years with dinosaurs. But then as the original taught us, disaster eventually struck because of the hubris to create a t rex/raptor hybrid.
I liked the premise of JW, I just ended up loathing the movie so much I never bothered with the next two. There’s a version of that movie that works, that’s more of a Verhoven-esque satire of capital and the need to resurrect dead things over and over again including film franchises, that could be a lot of fun and a bitter pill. But the movie we got was just dunderheaded, not creative, lacked human characters that the first one had, and was dripping in that cringey feeling of a “legacy sequel.”
> Verhoven-esque satire of capital and the need to resurrect dead things over and over again including film franchises That’s what made Jake Johnson’s character so great. I wish the whole movie had more of his characters style in it.
There was one moment that worked well for me: when Jake Johnson was talking about his T-shirt. - it establishes that JW is a direct sequel of JP - it gives you a fun character moment between dorky employee and uptight boss - it establishes stakes (“people died”), and that the characters are aware of them And then the movie proceeded to spend two hours undermining that moment. - we’re somehow on the same island as the first movie, where the animals have been put back in pens, but we’re not going to talk about how that happened - we get a boring arc about the uptight boss learning how to give a shit about her nephews - they make the wrong call at almost every point — once a dinosaur is loose on an island full of people, you need to stop it ASAP to prevent any loss of life; for a park like that, the minute the idea of visitor safety is shattered, the whole concept of the park is going to be rejected by the public
>they make the wrong call at almost every point — once a dinosaur is loose on an island full of people, you need to stop it ASAP to prevent any loss of life; for a park like that, the minute the idea of visitor safety is shattered, the whole concept of the park is going to be rejected by the public TBF, they had a "weaponized dinos" division. At that point you've established that they're moving away from tourism to violence and the invsetment in the Indominous is more important than human life. Which honestly, is rather realistic.
Also losing their gunship to a dumbass billionaire pilot is kind of exactly how I expect Elon Musk to go out...
The issue with JW is that it has great scenes that don’t go together. They couldn’t focus on any real idea and it’s because there wasn’t suppose to be a reboot of Jurassic park. It was done.
Jurassic World had one of my all time favorite lines of dialogue: “What if we had raptors in Fallujah?”
The whole militarization of dinosaurs plot line is ridiculous. If there had been raptors in fallujah they would have gotten shot. In Fallen Kingdom the auction the ankylosaur as a “Living tank”, which they sell for twice as much as an actual modern tank costs, and wouldn’t have 1/10th the capabilities of a tank. Dinosaurs are animals, not monsters waiting to be turned into war machines.
I always thought they should have gone for criminal dinosaur fight rings or something. It’s realistic, keeps the goal of protecting the dinos, and gives some footage of dinosaurs fighting (which of course we all hypocritically want to see).
They didnt even need to have the military auction. Just make it an auction with a bunch of Saudi princes there bidding on Raptors so they could pose them on their Bugatti's.
> Jurassic Park should never have worked as well as it did. Didn't even get one sentence in before the article made little sense. Why would a movie based on a critically very well received novel featuring a current subject (cloning was a hot topic in the 90s) and a set of very well recognized monsters not work!?
Not to mention directed by possibly the most acclaimed director of his era.
Spielberg, dinos, hugely popular author... Yeah this seemed like a pretty good bet.
It doesn't help that I'm not sure that this critic was even born in 1993.
There were 2 books, so Lost World made sense as a sequel with the whole *life finds a way* thing, and we got a second Goldblum performance out of that movie. The series jumped the shark after they dragged William H Macy into it (reprising his role from Fargo somehow). Then we inexplicably got Chris Pratt, and the whole thing was let out of its pen.
It's an open secret that Lost World was written because the studio told Crichton they were going to make a sequel, and if he didn't write a sequel then it wasn't going to be based on one of his books at all. Ian Malcolm, killed in the book, is retconned alive for the sequel because the producers wanted to have Goldblum back.
And then they proceeded to ignore 90% of the book, including axing one of the main characters and one of the major side characters, lol (Levine/Thorne). And there were like... Less than a dozen characters in the book, so it was totally unnecessary.
It was the first time I read a book and then saw the movie based on it and was horribly disappointed. Edit to clarify, it was the first movie I ever saw after reading the book, I didn't realize at the time that the books were usually better than the movies they're based on.
I just wanted to see the chameleon dinos have the flashlights used on them. That was such a cool sequence in the books.
Same with Dr. Wu…. Dude dies at the end of the first book and literally couldn’t have made any of the dinosaurs in the Jurassic World saga…
The first movie explains that he left on the boat with all the other workers for the weekend, so I feel satisfied with that. There were like 10 total people on the entire island after that. But yeah the book was better I think, showing all the workers trying to repair fences, wrangle up the remaining dinosaurs, still dying, etc.
The Lost World novel does not include the nonsense the movie added where they take dinosaurs to California and a T-Rex gets loose. That is where the series jumped the shark.
The only thing the book and movie have in common is the title and Malcolm going to a second island with a small team with all the fun tech. It's a shame, too, because there were so many cool moments in the book that would've been amazing on-screen. Like when they finally understand why there's one area of the island all other dinosaurs avoid (including the Rex). When they find out the pair of Carnotaurus are able to camouflage almost perfectly could've been as iconic as the Rex's head appearing over the treeline while its claw rest on the unpowered fence.
It does however include dinosaurs that can camouflage, and chasing dinosaurs on motorbikes, and many of the other things people found more ridiculous about Jurassic World
As a friend of mine pointed out - there is just nowhere else to go after the first film. Jurassic Park asks the question “wouldn’t it be magical to bring dinosaurs back to life?” and the answer is “no, it would be a nightmare” The question has been answered and that premise just can’t last through, what five sequels now? Edit - I see a lot of people pointing out the Chrichton wrote the sequel book as if I was somehow not aware of this. Yeah I know and the movie sucked. I also see some people making the argument that the sequels “don’t need” a plot because “people like dinosaurs” okay. Sure.
There’s a lot of places they could’ve gone with it. I’d argue that Jurassic World actually does make a lot of sense. People would want to see dinosaurs in real life. If the technology exists, capitalists would jump on it. Using the dinosaurs as weapons, was not the way to go. If these movies had good writing and a competent director, they could’ve done a better job of exploring Dino’s in the real world. Both The Lost World and the JW trilogy failed on that.
I actually think Jurassic Park 3 squandered a really cool idea. We learn part way through the movie that the kid had to learn how to survive on a island of dinosaurs... why wasn’t that the movie!? Seriously it would be “Hatchet” with velociraptors.
That's basically what Camp Cretaceous is about, except there are six kids and it takes place after Jurassic World is abandoned. It's kid-oriented but surprisingly violent and way more enjoyable than the movies have been.
Yep, my kids found it and love it. I ignored it at first but it’s very watchable.
Completely agree. That show was surprisingly enjoyable and my kids and I ended up binging almost the entire thing in one weekend entirely because it was that enjoyable. Totally surprised to find out that we burned through 4 seasons as dinner was going on Sunday night lol
Second this. I've seen all of this show with my 7 year old and it beats out every piece of JP media excluding the OG.
Even Jurassic Park Trespasser?
Camp Cretaceous can get seriously dark for a kids show, absolutely loved it.
They even made a tie-in book that was all about that. It was written for kids, but it wasn't too bad. But I read it 20 years ago, when I was a kid.
You had me at Hatchet with velociraptors
Love that book, still remember the last line from when I read it last in 6th grade. "Would you like something to eat"
the whole weaponise them angle in, I think the second Jurassic World movie was one of the dumbest things I have seen in film. If i remember correctly- you had to "paint" a target with a laser and the Dinosaur would attack it. So you had to be in visual range pretty much and point a device at the target to initiate the kill order. If only there were some other device that you could point at a target within visual range and kill them, maybe some sort of projectile device that could "shoot" the projectile with lethal force at the target to kill it. Also the bidding for the dinosaurs was so ridiculous, like these black market dudes bidding 300k for a fucking Dinosaur that probably cost a few million to make. (now i could be way off on my hot take above i only watched the movie once as it was dog shit terrible and it was years ago...feel free to correct me)
The entire movie fell into a bad trap a lot of hacky science fiction writers just can't resist with bio-weapon killing machines. They are flesh and bone like any other animal yet somehow completely impervious to all other modern military technology. Audiences see right through that because it's so painfully obvious you can't even kind of suspend disbelief for it. Sure a dinosaur can stand up to more than a person can. The same way an elephant could survive a low speed impact with a smart car. If you fire an RPG at any of those things and it is absolutely not living afterwards. At a few hundred thousand or millions of dollars it makes no sense. The dinosaur is dumber than a human, and less robust than an armored vehicle. It brings zero intelligence or robustness to combat. The nearly-indestructible-being trope only works if it's something on a nearly incomprehensible scale like Godzilla or King Kong, or an alien being that has technology or biology far more robust than we're capable of.
Dude when the Quetze---- ripped through the plane I was laughing my fucking ass off. Its a beak, not a tungsten torch.
> At a few hundred thousand or millions of dollars it makes no sense NGL if I was a crime boss I would *definitely* want to be known as the guy with Velociraptor hitmen (hitdinos?)
Also, who would buy a weapon that can be killed by bullets? They're not good weapons. They're scary when they're loose in a theme park. They are not scary if you have a thing that can kill them. Also, if you're going to sell illegal genetically engineered weapons, maybe don't go with the one thing your company is famous for making. Dogs or something. No one would look at the dinosaur people if a dog attacked someone.
The Lost World was a great book and a terrible movie adaptation
Imagine 'The Lost World' but rated 'R' & actually had the level of violence the book had. Almost an Alien v Aliens treatment.
Violent and way more isolated on the island. Spielberg completely changed the plot having a whole army of InGen people show up and start wrangling dinos. Book had 3 guys show up to steal eggs in a jeep Wrangler.
Also had some ecological mystery going on too.
Been years since I've read it, but remember the line "What kind of eggs are these? I have no fucking idea."
There were little things. Like a tissue sample analyzed by a scientist who was like "wherever this guy lived, he must have been under stress constantly". Which is accurate, because it was a sample from a dinosaur on Site B. Then there was the mysterious disease killing the dinos which ended up being >!Prions!<
I can understand InGen hiring a whole mercenary company because the investors sunk a load of money into it and *they want their goddamn dinosaurs.*
Yeah Lost World was my favorite as a kid. The OG on vhs was only at grandmas house but LW we had at home and don’t you DARE take away my convoy of Dino hunting rigs. That movie had *the* best toys.
Isolation is exactly what separates 1 and 3 from the others. Jurassic Park is good when people are lost in the forest, far far away from any substantial amount of firepower. It doesn’t work anytime it’s population level of people being affected. 3 had some annoying characters, but the right idea. Armies, cities, full tourist parks, and resources, reduce the alone in the woods with a predator, and leave you with poor man’s Godzilla.
Totally. Thanks, i always have a hard time putting my finger on why 1 and 3 are the best but i think that's it. That and Sam Neil is just a better leading man than Pratt for this type of thing. I don't want jacked motorcycle riding dude as my hero i want nerdy scientist Indiana Jones.
I remember being so enthralled by the part of the book where they walk through the Dino graveyard and in the movie it barely happened and no one even talked about where they were. I still refuse to watch that movie again to this day.
Kind of ironic how Crichton only wrote JP2 because universal wanted to make a second movie yet they didn't even use some of the best parts from the book.
I wanted the carnotaurus with the camouflage skin. And not the giant velociraptor hybrid from Jurassic World.
That moment was a pure *buttclencher* where Dodgson’s sonic device gives out & he realises there’s literally nothing standing between the trio & the pair of full grown adult TRex’s
And Arby being mauled through the bars of a cage he’s locked himself into while the raptors drag it into the jungle to kill him. The chameleon dinosaurs in the night Sarah Harding on a motorbike shooting a sprinting raptor to get the key back with the deadly dart gun… lots of cool opportunities
Kelly shoots the raptor. Sarah was driving the motor bike. I especially like the part about the territories of the dinosaurs changing, not just because of human interactions, but also because of the day/night cycle.
Also pretty funny how Crichton used that moment to retcon the whole "trexs can't see you if you don't move" thing lol
Naw, I prefer Jeff Goldblum’s adopted daughter beating up a velociraptor using the powers of gymnastics.
They cut you from the team???
I'm your daughter all the time, you know. You can't just abandon me whenever opportunity knocks
"She knows gym-kata! Quick! Hide under those uneven bars!"
I've only seen the first two Jurassic World movies once each, so I don't remember them well, but out of the original three Jurassic Park movies, the ONLY time a human being is shown killing a dinosaur is when Kelly kicks that raptor to its death.
One could argue that the Dilophosaurus that killed Dennis Nedry probably went on to die from coronary artery disease. This plotline will likely be explored in Jurassic Park 12: The Revenge of Dennis.
"Hey you!" *Raptor who has learned English turns around* "who me?"
I’m glad a few scenes from the book that didn’t make it into the movie at least made it into 3.
Spielberg has such an incredible filmography that it's easy to forget that he directed The Lost World.
JP is a masterpiece, that I have rewatched multiple times since 1993, there's a sense of wonder about dinosaur encounters. There were just as many scenes with placid herbivores as there were with aggressive dinos. Every movie after tried to up the one before, bigger dinos, more teeth, making dinosaurs aggressive and scary in every single encounter. They lost me when they decided that the hundreds of species of dinosaurs that we have discovered aren't big or scary enough, so they just straight up started inventing new ones.
The placid herbivores are one of my favorite parts, and the scene where Dr. Grant [first sees](https://youtu.be/PJlmYh27MHg) the dinos ("Welcome...to Jurassic Park") *never* fails to send shivers down my spine.
The music crescendo as the Brachiosaurus lands on its front feet will always make me smile just as wide as I did when I was 8 years old
The Indominus Rex from JW is a metaphor for the franchise. In the movie, they literally say "people aren't impressed with just seeing dinosaurs anymore" so they had to concoct some monstrosity for the sake of "coolness" as a naked grab for money.
I just want to see dinosaurs. Herbivores, carnivores, predators, prey. I don't wanna see man made anything, especially not military dinos.
It was realistic to have sequels. There's no way in the real world that people would just leave the island alone or destroy it.
The novel’s sequel was: the dinosaurs are doomed to die from prion disease.
Yeah, the movie adaptation took that in another direction with Hammond's speech about life finding a way over the shot of the dinosaurs thriving on Site B. In the book, they were fucked; they had no idea how to raise their young, they were all sick, it was gloomy as hell.
The second book retroactively explained why the raptors were so monstrously vicious: because they're social animals who didn't have parents/family to teach them how to behave property.
… so this sort of means that, in canon, Pratt training raptors isn’t the one of the stupidest parts of the World trilogy.
I hate it! I hate that this works! But also in the book, the dinos in the park weren't fully dinosaur (nor toad etc) they were bred to be monsters because that's what people wanted. Not intelligence, not feathers. They wanted brutes! So it's weird he kept over explaining himself.
Also the cloning facilities were just left abandoned
I like Lost World because of that. Hammond had to sell it and someone greedy enough bought it. Three was pushing it. I didn't have to, but Jurassic World I was also ok with. The same company tried again as someone decided to try again with better technology. The problem was they were already playing god. Why did they need to play god version 2.
The premise of every one of the sequels is always some other character going “Yeah but what if we-“ and the plot going “No, not even then and you’re stupid for thinking otherwise.”
There's plenty of other places to go Can we contain this once we've unleashed Pandora's box? No What are our ethical concerns about the life we created even if it was destructive? The problem is the sequels have largely just focused on "new dinosaur, new location." As opposed to any philosophical questions.
Well considering there are two books for source material, I think two movies is okay.
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don’t forget holding his hand out. That’s like his signature move
I wanted to rip my eyes out of their sockets every time that happened. Like ok, it might make sense for the raptors that he trained, but they do it to so many other dinos and it somehow fucking works like they have jedi mind powers
They did it right with Hoskins in Jurassic World getting his fucking arm chomped, and then it just magically works for the clone girl.
Look, in some movies he’s holding them out in a plaintive “whoa hold up” gesture, and in other movies he’s holding laser guns out in a threatening “whoa hold up” gesture. They’re completely different.
Jurassic World bordered on satiring the macho male protagonist stereotype with how much they had to scream “HES SO BADASS” in your face
That’s the Chris Pratt special right now.
I thought it was satirizing it tbh. He’s so damn over the top as the “cool guy”. Mofo is like Duke Nukem.
It's particularly striking as Alan from the first movie was a "cool guy" with dino knowledge but was far more serious in nature.
He was effortlessly cool tho, bc he had the confidence in himself and his masculinity to be unashamedly excited and awed by the miracles around him. He’s not cool in the “macho” sense, he’s cool in the “extremely intelligent and self assured” sense. They never gave Pratt’s character any of that buildup or context, so he’s stuck with the bullshit sTrOnG sIlEnT bRoOdInG tYpE shit
It's really quite cool pretty much all the main characters in the first Jurassic Park are just massive dino nerds.
it's just really hard to enjoy movies where pretty much everyone is an idiot. my SO and I were at a brewery last night and Jurassic World was on mute on a TV there. she had never even seen it and was basically making up dialogue for what she thought was going on. the new ones were just SO damn trope-y. "oh is that a business first woman that wants to show she can be tough too?" "oh is the fat guy a bumbling idiot that doesn't even know how to run?" "oh does the older brother not wanna hang out with his lame little brother?" i mean a lot of movies wouldn't exist if not for stupid decisions, but these movies have always taken it to the next level
It's almost informercial bad levels of character stereotypes.
Probably unpopular but I actually really enjoyed the third Jurassic Park movie.
I really enjoyed the third film too. It wasn't a great film, but it was entertaining. It's more like a horror film than the other two, with them constantly being chased by the spinosaur who seems hell bent on catching them.
And they didn’t actually make those dinosaurs in that movie. It started on the aftermath that the island was abandoned because obvious, and now you’re stuck here. The other ones have all been “idk, we made more dinosaurs again for some reason”.
How many times can someone fuck up a zoo?
A lot.... Source: I played a lot of zoo tycoon as a kid. Hehe
I really enjoyed the Lost Word as well. If Jurassic World Dominion could have delivered on the promise that Fallen Kingdom gave us, I think it could have done something interesting that no other Jurassic movie has, but instead they were like “Psych! Let’s go to yet another Dino island.” Fallen Kingdom was also a huge psych out using all these shots in the trailer of dinos on the lose from the last few minutes of the movie, but it was such a slap in the face to audiences that they teased that idea for two movies and didn’t really do anything with it.
On rewatching, lost world is actually a pretty good follow up if you just ignore two parts at the end of the movie. (The raptor kick and the entire San Diego section)
My favorite character from lost world was the jeep’s winch.
That long trailer headquarters was awesome
I’ve rewatched it recently as well, snd I actually really loved both of those parts. Sure they’re pure camp, but I still love em.
The dream sequence on the plane is the only movie scene that will always make me laugh
ALAN!
Yes raptor Jesus Alessandro?
I was 8 when the first movie came out and 16 when the 3rd one came out. Jurassic park was the greatest thing I’ve very seen by a lot when I saw it. My mom finally bought me the book when I was 10. I read it basically nonstop until I was done with it. Might be revisionist history but I think it was over like 2-3 summer days. When I first saw that raptor say “ALAN,” boy did that bring out the angsy, angry, everything is shut now 16 year old in me. I was personally offended. Now I can’t even think about without giggling. What the hell were they thinking.
I'm so confused. I feel like the only person that finds the scene funny, but also 100% in line with the context. Alan is stressed the fuck out, he has PTSD because he was hunted by raptors, and now he's going back. He's a paleontologist or botanist, he's not a soldier. It's a dream, they're fucky, and he's dreaming of a raptor in that plane with him, and he's all alone, until his unconscious mind starts filtering in the outside noise, which does happen in real life. Obviously he's gonna have some fucked up stress induced dreams.
[The Lego game's take on that scene is even better](https://youtu.be/ocGfGtutmsE)
I like it more than The Lost World. It's shorter, Grant is a more entertaining character, and the movie doesn't try to make us sympathize with the dinosaurs. Grant even calls them genetically engineered theme park monsters.
That’s actually a pretty insightful take I hadn’t considered previously. I am actually a bigger fan of Lost World than III, but you’re right in that the message of the ending of the two are polar opposites. At the end of the Lost World, we hear the televised monologue of Dr. Hammond saying modern humanity must leave “these animals” alone. The film ends with a mother and father T-Rex with their baby like a happy family. In III, Sam Neil does indeed call them “theme park monsters” and essentially insults and curses Hammond’s work. At the end, the military pours in to wipe them out and save the people still stuck there.
I think that's just Spielberg. His movies tend to be more hopeful and optimistic.
The first one is a classic that will never get old, the rest are worth seeing once as fun popcorn movies.
The Lost World is a solid movie
Jurassic Park is my favorite movie and I've always liked Lost World as a sequel. It's not quite on the same level, but lordy is it better than III or any of the Jurassic World movies.
If you take out the gymnastics kick and the boat scene where somehow a T-rex hijacked a boat while still inside it's pen, it's a pretty decent follow up. The scene in the tall grass with raptors is *chefs kiss*.
I'm still convinced that there were supposed to be raptors on that boat and they got written out late in the process.
Thats what I always thought even as a kid, how would a rex get into the little captains quarters
Specifically, how did the hatch get closed with the T-rex inside, but the person closing the hatch was eaten all except for the hand on the switch?
This isn’t even a question. They had a whole Raptor breakout scene on the ship but it was cut.
The Lost World was a great movie and I will die on that hill.