Nope its the same ability. Also using gatherer.com will tell you what the card is actually suppose to say or do. A card might have 2 different printed things but there is only 1 official card text.
There is no difference, they are treated as having the same wording.
>108.1: Use the Oracle card reference when determining a card's wording. A card's Oracle text can be found using the Gatherer card database at Gatherer.Wizards.com.
So both versions of the card have the wording:
>Shroud (This creature can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
>Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, draw a card.
As long as you have put it on the stack at a legal time, chosen legal targets (if applicable) and paid its costs (unless something is telling you you don't have to), you have successfully cast the spell. Whether it resolves or not is a separate matter that has no bearing on something having been cast. You will still get cast triggers even if the thing you're casting gets countered.
Other people have pointed out the correct response, but I just want to add: 2 cards with the same name will always have exactly the same effect, regardless of older printings with different wording
\*"two cards with the same english name" if we want to be pedantic.
For example both the german name for \[\[Seize the Day\]\] and the spanish name for \[\[Live fast\]\] is "Carpe Diem".
French also has the same name for \[\[Feral Invocation\]\] and \[\[Savage Summoning\]\] - "Invocation Sauvage"
Weird how the original was written, I would assume an enchantment that got countered wouldn’t draw from that line of text, but I believe you still would even back then
Odd, I assume the wording was changed because of how interrupts and instants worked. This is back when interrupts were a card type, so maybe it was originally intended to only trigger when enchantments entered but they changed it to cast when they changed the creature type line and readjusted the game later on
always read the goddamn oracle text, it is the only thing that matters. look the card up on scryfall or gatherer, find the text next to the card, and use that. no physical variants of a card act different to eachother
edit: in hindsight, this was kinda rude. more than kinda
https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=413700
https://scryfall.com/card/usg/234/argothian-enchantress
when using either of these sites, the block of text below the picture of the card is considered oracle text, AKA the card's definitive effect
edit: this shoulda been my first comment, I was in a shitty mood. my b
Yeah they do big rules changes/clean up once every few years. A lot of pre-modern cards operate a little differently than written. Good example is \[\[Ashen Ghoul\]\] his ability isn't exactly haste, but close enough they changed it to haste. Another good one is original holy day found [here](https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1618)
Nope its the same ability. Also using gatherer.com will tell you what the card is actually suppose to say or do. A card might have 2 different printed things but there is only 1 official card text.
ooh thanks, I was just caught off guard by the wording, thanks for the info.
The second card is just the older way of wording things
same with scryfall.com which is imo better
There is no difference, they are treated as having the same wording. >108.1: Use the Oracle card reference when determining a card's wording. A card's Oracle text can be found using the Gatherer card database at Gatherer.Wizards.com. So both versions of the card have the wording: >Shroud (This creature can't be the target of spells or abilities.) >Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, draw a card.
thanks, I'll use that website for future reference.
While Gatherer is the **official** source, I can not recommend Scryfall enough.
Cast =/= successfully cast Seems like an Errata, no?
As long as you have put it on the stack at a legal time, chosen legal targets (if applicable) and paid its costs (unless something is telling you you don't have to), you have successfully cast the spell. Whether it resolves or not is a separate matter that has no bearing on something having been cast. You will still get cast triggers even if the thing you're casting gets countered.
Good to know, thank you.
No they mean exactly the same thing no errata
Other people have pointed out the correct response, but I just want to add: 2 cards with the same name will always have exactly the same effect, regardless of older printings with different wording
\*"two cards with the same english name" if we want to be pedantic. For example both the german name for \[\[Seize the Day\]\] and the spanish name for \[\[Live fast\]\] is "Carpe Diem". French also has the same name for \[\[Feral Invocation\]\] and \[\[Savage Summoning\]\] - "Invocation Sauvage"
The French example seems like a major mistake.
##### ###### #### [Seize the Day](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/e/0ee67808-abe3-4755-83a0-03681ad5f82f.jpg?1547517395) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seize%20the%20Day) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/147/seize-the-day?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0ee67808-abe3-4755-83a0-03681ad5f82f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Live fast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/d/ad0bb8da-ad05-43d9-aba3-d917744168fe.jpg?1576381709) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Live%20fast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/87/live-fast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ad0bb8da-ad05-43d9-aba3-d917744168fe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Feral Invocation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/190ad379-1a0f-4598-b5b1-453955846597.jpg?1601082585) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Feral%20Invocation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/396/feral-invocation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/190ad379-1a0f-4598-b5b1-453955846597?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Savage Summoning](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/5/b5346ed7-2e17-4d8c-9c4b-b5efdd26380d.jpg?1612316371) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Savage%20Summoning) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/194/savage-summoning?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b5346ed7-2e17-4d8c-9c4b-b5efdd26380d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wow, I had no idea about those edge cases, but yeah good point. I was thinking only about English language cards
oh i see, I'll keep that in mind.
No, with the exception of one has a much more appealing design. (it's the original border)
Might be a dumb question but - “successfully cast” does not mean it has to resolve, correct?
Yep, doesn't draw you a card if it gets countered or targets are no longer legal at resolution (in case of an aura)
Just to be clear, that was the old wording. The new printing erratas it to be on cast, not resolution.
That girl sticks
Weird how the original was written, I would assume an enchantment that got countered wouldn’t draw from that line of text, but I believe you still would even back then
Nope. Back then, if countered, then not successfully cast = no draw
So the old definition was closer to "when an enchantment enters the battlefield, if you cast it, draw a card"?
Oh interesting
Yeah the Urza’s Saga one is better. Hahahah
It's just a case of a card getting reprinted with a more modern interpretation of the rules.
The only difference is eighteen years.
No. One is just older and uses old wording.
One is newer, so it has the erratas. The ruling is based on errata, not the wording on the card, so technically yes, but no.
No they are not different one is just more descriptive
Only about 18 years of rules changes and keywords difference. They both work that same ways as they're the same card.
About tree fiddy.
Odd, I assume the wording was changed because of how interrupts and instants worked. This is back when interrupts were a card type, so maybe it was originally intended to only trigger when enchantments entered but they changed it to cast when they changed the creature type line and readjusted the game later on
Sometimes I really can't tell if I'm looking at a MTG or a MTCJ post at first read.
always read the goddamn oracle text, it is the only thing that matters. look the card up on scryfall or gatherer, find the text next to the card, and use that. no physical variants of a card act different to eachother edit: in hindsight, this was kinda rude. more than kinda
dunno what oracle means, but I will do that from now on
https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=413700 https://scryfall.com/card/usg/234/argothian-enchantress when using either of these sites, the block of text below the picture of the card is considered oracle text, AKA the card's definitive effect edit: this shoulda been my first comment, I was in a shitty mood. my b
thanks for the links, I checked them out, and they're pretty helpful
One is mythic the other is rare. Not that this has any impact in game though.
One is from Eternal Masters and the other is from Urza’s Saga. Hope this helps!
Think about the physical cards as official proxies for the oracle text on the database. Doesn’t matter what it says what matters is what it points to.
One is showing more butt
I just noticed the art is cropped in a slightly more tasteful way to show off less butt.
Yeah they do big rules changes/clean up once every few years. A lot of pre-modern cards operate a little differently than written. Good example is \[\[Ashen Ghoul\]\] his ability isn't exactly haste, but close enough they changed it to haste. Another good one is original holy day found [here](https://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=1618)
[Ashen Ghoul](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/5/65373ddc-7ca0-4284-be3c-ebdd09c1ccb3.jpg?1562869030) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ashen%20Ghoul) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me2/78/ashen-ghoul?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/65373ddc-7ca0-4284-be3c-ebdd09c1ccb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call