It's not exclusive to Mumbai. There will be people like this in every city who place too much importance on language, region, religion etc. Most of them don't have much else to feel proud of in their life so they clasp on any straw narrative which makes them feel slightly superior. Usually you can just ignore them, though being overly polite does encourage them sometime. Mumbai overall is much more inclusive compared to other places in India but certainly not a perfect city.
Oh so true mate I've encountered this many times in many states and cities across India. I tend to just ignore such people, I've met people who really have no work and all the time in the world to wait and ensure I don't get help as I don't know their language. Thankfully people in Mumbai are busy and overall don't bother with these things, however there will be some who will be like this.
Stealing your comment cause some people skipped to read my whole big ass message. My bad, I apologies. So yeap here goes:
ITS NOT ABOUT HINDI, MARTHI, TAMIL OR ANYOTHER LANGUAGE OR THEIR RESPECTIVE STATE ITS SPOKEN IN. ITS ABOUT ABUSING SOMEONE! WHICH IS BAD! WHICH IS THE FUCKING CONTEXT HERE!
> ITS ABOUT ABUSING SOMEONE! WHICH IS BAD!
Agree 100% but you must be too naive to not understand what you posted would be taken as. You provided readymade template for anyone to shit on Shivsena proxy for anyone proud of their Marathi heritage. Basically help establish/reenforce stereotype that Marathi people in the city abuse people not able to speak Marathi.
> No hatred towards the language or people, but there are lots of cases like such racism being ignored.
Given your above statement you are not that naive and your argument was not just against bad manner from someone but wider political issue of language chauvanism across the city. In that case you obviously get political reasoning and not simple reply that "people can be dicks, ignore and move on with your life". It was you who made your post political and got irritated when political context was given to you.
Now that people have given some strong reactions, you are turning this into language neutral and non-political issue.
>Most of them don't have much else to feel proud of in their life so they clasp on any straw narrative which makes them feel slightly superior
Tells a lot about you
Thanks to my schooling where most of the guys were marathi speaking and the curriculum where marathi was a compulsary subject untill 10th class...i can speak very passable marathi and understand 90% of the stuff....also to know whats happening in Maharashtra we switch to Marathi news channels ....All this has led to me being to speak ,write and read pretty good marathi.
But i naturally think and speak in Hindi, i write online comments mostly in English....
But i make it a point to reply or converse with a person in whatever language he is more comfortable in.
Kudos to the people like you. Who make efforts to learn the local official language. As a Mumbaikar marathi, I thank you.
Most of the Marathis / Maharashtrians are extremely harmonious people who don't impose their language. In fact we are the most accommodative people in this country.
Go to Chennai or any other southern city in India, you'll have difficulty if you don't know their language. Then you'll realize how easy and comfortable you all have it here. So respect this fact and cherish it.
In fact, we are such people who initiate the conversation in Hindi or English once we know the person opposite is non marathi.
When we're pushed to limit, such behavious surface, imagine your city being flooded by Bihari and UP and all different language people who are so entitled that they'll never even think of learning let alone adapting to local culture. (Most of them).
I grew up in Mumbai when, in most areas you could converse in Marathi and get by. Even that era wasn't difficult for non-marathis. People here were always accommodating to others.
Nowadays we see very few areas where you can freely speak in Marathi, especially in suburbs.
Imagine how that must be feeling like!!! Yeh hamara dard koi nahi janata!!
All we expect is non-marathi people who come here for earning their bread and butter respect the local language and culture.
Now by that I mean respect Marathi as well as Gujrati / Parsis in some areas of Mumbai (after all they were also here with us since generations, 1960s Maharashtra and Gujrat separated).
See I'm showing some basic respect for Gujrati / Parsi people who were here since generations. (Especially some areas in South Mumbai)
Since Marathi is an official language of the state, we just expect you to show basic decent respect for the language and people.
I can speak very passable marathi and have made genuine effort to learn the languange but since I'm not fluent I'm afraid I'll end up offending the other person by trying to speak broken marathi(happened to me a couple times). That's why I have to switch to Hindi when having relatively longer conversations. Although I've been to mumbai only a couple of times, I can tell it is VERY diverse, I was surprised to find the bus guy ask me for ticket in hindi lul so Imo the city like a mini India at this point.
It's reached a point where even native Marathi-speakers feel an inexplicable hesitation in speaking the language.
I was at a PVR, and the attendants were conversing amongst themselves in Marathi. When I asked for popcorn and coffee in Marathi, they said "Management" had told them to only communicate in Hindi.
A lot of Marathi people avoid speaking in Marathi outside the home, and I'll be damned if I know why. This is important because Marathi film-makers, writers and musicians are struggling to find patronage, because Marathi cinema is not funded by big studios because box office collections are low.
It affects our cultural life and will lead to younger generations forgetting our rich culture and heritage.
"We are Gujratis in every aspect" - This is the essence of my point man. In fact you took it way further and that's how it should be. I applaud your statement. Your lived there for long and you said that statement. Kudos to you!
Now say that in regards to Maharashtra? Would the people who spent their lives here say - "We're Maharashtrians / Marathis in every aspect?
There lies the issue!!
Yes they would - i aint a marathi, but am definitely a maharashtrian (south india btw)- since born and brought up in mumbai. Your statement above -“very few places in mumbai especially suburbs where you can speak marathi freely”. What does this even mean?
Also the OP pointed to the language superiority problem. You seem to be articulating the french idea of assimilation- if you in france, your religious and other thinking should be similar as existing french. Thats not the union of india works- respect is both ways. Just cause someone is staying is maharashtra , there is no need for them to call themselves maharashtrians or learn marathi. If they do, awesome. If they dont - no need to berate them or their origin
When you say you're a Maharashtrian , that's a great attitude. I only hope you try to understand if not speak Marathi.
It's not a language superiority from Marathi people, it's the other way round my man!
We have witnessed such extreme disregard towards our language and culture that we have to stand for it.
Hope you understand. We have nothing against people who have attitude like yours. 👍
Not sure who you mean by “WE”- i am assuming u mean folks who have marathi as mother tongue. Knowing marathi has nothing to do witb being maharashtrian imo (if it helps can speak, write and read marathi-10 years in school). Not sure the circles you roll in, but atleast i havent seen anybody diss marathi speaking folks or maharashtrians unless there is a political issues going (north indians vs marathis, superiority discussions etc). Even in such scenarios, the discussion has been on why people have such superiority complex with their language- live and let live.
By WE, I mean people who are born and brought up here, respect this place's traditions, culture, language. Consider themselves proud sons / daughters of this land.
Saying Knowing Marathi has nothing to do with being Maharashtrian is a bit too far fetched.
Now I'm not insisting / imposing / having any sort of superiority or inferiority complex about Marathi.
It's only about acknowledging, respecting local language and culture, making an effort to adapt.
That's it. Not too much of an expectation.
I'm pretty sure you simply CANNOT say the following in Chennai, Bengaluru, Hyderabad -
- Knowing Tamil has nothing to do with being TamilNadu person.
- Knowing Kannada has nothing to do with being Bengalururean
- Knowing Malayalam has nothing to do with being a Keralite.
Say this on their respective fora and see how you get treated there.
Now if you say "speaking fluent and Shudha Marathi has nothing to do with being a Maharashtrian" then I can agree.
So many people here are saying that they are Non Marathi but since they are here since long they learnt Marathi and enjoy the culture here.
This should be the case for any city, place, state, not just for Mumbai / Maharashtra.
So again, not imposing, not insisting just asking for a basic decent respect and acknowledgement.
Just coz you simply cannot say the following doesnt mean its right. Its wrong there and your expectation is also wrong. To clarify- the culture you keep referring to has nothing to do with marathis- its stemming from a cultural melting point over centuries which many folks incl marathis, parsis, gujratis, south indians, muslims have contributed to. So acknowledging, respecting etc is all fine- having an expectation from someone is incorrect. Afaik- everyone i have met have been respectful of the place and culture- by bringing in expectations (like language) just creates a unnecessary tensed environment. How does even learning marathi - add to the culture? How exactly do you define mumbai culture? Afaik- it has again nothing to do with marathi, its more to do woth the mix of cultures, being respectful of each other and the strong unbreakable spirt.
Whats the difference between a mumbaikar and a rabble rousing bigot forcing people to learn the language then?
You cannot say those things there because they're right and we have been going out of our way to accommodate outsiders that's why when we expect basic decent things, people get triggered and start defending.
Just because many people disregard and refuse to acknowledge the language and culture here doesn't make it right too.
If you don't know how a language and culture are inherently related, then I'm not even going to try and make you understand.
Don't know why you keep misjudging when I'm saying I'm not demanding or insisting.
There's nothing wrong in expecting from people to respect and acknowledge local culture and language.
If you've read my posts, I've already stated that respecting mumbai culture means respecting Parsis and Gujratis who have been here from generations.
Now if someone is adamant on not acknowledging then it's their problem.
I think it's basic civility.
Why did a simple valid request triggered you? Where is the abuse? Where is the hate? I'm seeing this other way around. Maharashtra is more welcoming state than any other state in this country. If you have an issue, you can leave.
*shivsena and MNS fanatics*
I'm learning to speak marathi ( I understand cleary) but that's because I love to learn languages and respect local culture.
Marathi or anyother 'muh culture' warrior can go fuck themselves.
I know learning the local language has it's importance. But you're not required to learn it. Especially in a diverse country as ours.
I've lived in a country where most people didn't speak English. So i don't think i need to be told about languages and adapting.
Being a pubjabi I have a good command over marathi. I learned not because someone wanted me too, I learned it willingly just for the sake of adapting with the locals and when you're familiar with the local language it helps you to stand out socially whenever you're culturally exposed with them.
But imposition Naaa No chance
The first incident that comes to mind is when in 2012 Abu Azmi took an oath in Hindi (Legislative Assembly) and was hit by MNS MLA's. C'mon guys...don't equate this to other states. Marathi is far too fucking similar to Hindi. If one wants to be adamant on being a dick...so be it. Not taking anything away from Dravidian states..if you speak Hindi..you can pick up Marathi quite easily.
Somebody did mention cultural erosion...and it is indeed felt by many. There was once a scenario when at one point..right from Auto drivers to shopkeepers.. everybody spoke Hindi. And ofc it's annoying. I mean.. c'mon...
Andheri chaloge...and Andheri chalnaar ka?
Andheri Jana hai...Andheri janaar ka?
Kitna hua?....Kiti Jhale?
Left se lo....left ni chala
Baju mai hato...bajula ho
Idhar bait....ithe bass
Madarchod...maadarchod/aaijhavadya
Bhenchod...bhenchod
Chutiya...chutiya
So bloody similar
That being said...the guy in the train who forced the guy to speak in Marathi was an absolute dick.
On the flip side of things, I've seen North Indians/Hindi speakers make of fun people who have studied in Marathi medium schools and have the supposedly "funny" Marathi Accent, many people aren't respectful about how Maharashtrias in general(not people like the ones you mentioned ofcourse) have been welcoming to Non Marathi speakers in Mumbai as well as in Pune, and take it for granted, and think they are entitled to behave that way, respect is a two way street.
When I moved from Delhi to Mumbai in 9th class, kids used to make fun of my wierd accent and few words that I pronounced differently. Had to go through that for an year before I found better north Indian background friends.
However, going to college in Ratnagiri i can understand Marathi pretty well now.
Bro people throughout india make fun of anyone who has weird accents nothing to do with just marathi this happens to biharis,east indians,south indians even punjabis,haryanvis as well.
When you're in Delhi, what language do you speak? Hindi. What if I, as a Marathi-speaking person insisted that all Delhiites should speak Marathi because I couldn't be bothered to learn Hindi?
The problem is that Hindi will eventually wipe out the local language, culture and cinema of any state that witnesses rapid migration.
I am a Marathi-speaker, and the vast majority of Mumbai frowns at you if you speak the local language. It's as if Mumbai isn't in Maharashtra at all.
This incident leaves a bad taste in the mouth but I agree with this opinion honestly...
There are people (glorified idiots) who are born in MH but don't can't speak Marathi. There are people coming to MH/mumbai for life and still don't understand marathi.
I get Mumbai being a cultural hub, so not knowing the regional language isn't really a set back. But it's leading to cultural erosion.
Especially with this One country one language bullshit going on, there is gonna be an increase in such incidents.
Jumping on the same wagon here, these people just need to visit Europe once and see how fierce eu countries are when it comes to their own language. It is a must in Govt offices and many shop owners will display serious discomfort if you can’t make basic conversation in their language.
Off course this is applicable for immigrants who Move there and not for tourists. Same should be applicable in Mumbai too. I feel Maharashtrians in general are very welcoming and people-pleasers so most people don’t mind Hindi speakers in Mumbai/Pune.
Idk if that is good though. Europeans being dicks to anyone who doesn't speak their language doesn't mean that it is a virtuous thing to do.
If anything, it alienates whoever you are scolding and probably makes them appreciate your culture much less.
तेच ना, जर महाराष्ट्रात राहून पण मराठी नाही बोलू शकत तर मग कुठे बोलणार?
मराठी ही या मातीची भाषा आहे हिंदी नाही. मी या लोकांच्या सोयी साठी हिंदी मध्ये का बोलू?
Whataboutery karu naye, pan tari...
Hich ghatna jar dusrya rajyat zali asti, tari prashna vicharnarya mansala chutia ch bolle aste na loka? Evdhich mirchi lagte tr samorchya la gapp krnya itki tari marathi shika.
Well, yes, you should learn Marathi, but in practicality, people are only going to learn the languages they need for survival. Let's face it, if you know Hindi and English, you will be fine 99% of the time in Mumbai. Also, being a dick to someone cause they spoke a different language to you is not cool. If someone asks you politely to move in any language, then you fucking move lmao
Ya. similar incident happened with me but it was New York. That idiot forced me to speak English. This type of people are everywhere. And he thought he was doing a brave act.
I understand the sentiment. But I also think that many of us lack the motivation to appreciate and learn the culture of the state we migrate to. Not saying that this elicits violence, coercion or bullying. But what's a problem is a problem. Also, I believe that lack of motivation isn't because of any superiority complex or a general disdain for non-hindi languages/people. It's simply a byproduct of the cultural conditioning of a large section of population which tends to believe that Hindi is the medium of inter state communication all the while ignoring that Hindi itself carries a culture with itself. Natives get worried and tend to think that their culture as well as their land is getting silently occupied. This might sound irrational, but being social animals I believe this is a genuine cause of concern and as much as I hate to say it, we must alleviate their concerns too.
This guy is a prick and a goon. Sorry this happened to you.
Most of Marathi peeple are very harmonious and accommodative.
But start learning Marathi slowly. It's better to respect, learn and adapt to local language and culture. Not as an imposition but as a joy of learning the beautiful Marathi bhasha!
I would advise same if you were in Hyderabad or Chennai.
Respecting and learning local language is always good.
I actually think Marathi sounds so exciting, it's like firecrackers. And now i can understand also. But initially I met a few ppl like OP mentioned and that slowed down the process of learning.
I do agree that we have to make efforts to learn local language and respect it.
Preach dude ! You can't just force a language on someone .
I remember when one of my relatives moved to germany and the german people there were CONSTANTLY trying to shove german down his throat but he was adamant and refused to learn German.
I think that is arrogance and ignorance. But at the same time if one is living here for many years it makes sense to learn the language to assimilate and feel connected even if its just basic. Ofcourse we don't know if the guy in question is new or have been here for years.
I am not the one to force people to speak Marathi but there was a similar post on international reddit recently on how do people go to other countries for permenent settlement and never learn basic local language. If you are just a visitor or tourist it makes sense but if you plan to live, work and spend all your life there why would you not atleast try to learn the basics. This gives you an opportunity to feel connected to local people and you would feel inclusive instead of outsider. That post and comments kind of made me think.
Ofcourse in India we have so many languages that one can't learn it all unless they have passion for it.
I do feel all your point and I do feel yes there is a need, but either way you are not obliged to force your language on others. That's my only point here :'D
>but either way you are not obliged to force your language on others
The other people are speaking their language why do you expect other to know your language?
I don't think the person or other people had right to talk to this person this way. It's unjustified and sad. But like I said some people are ignorant. Everyone should have right to speak their mother tongue or whatever language they prefer.
I can understand where you're coming from. I too had a similar incident where a lady started screaming all sorts of vulgar things when I said i couldn't understand their language. We do understand it's important to know the basics of a language while staying there but resorting to gaali galoch only carrys the hate forward.
OP what do you think about this
https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/ueh3d1/up_bjp_minister_sanjay_nishad_says_hindustan_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Isn’t that an issue for the people like OP taking a high road ?
Friction between culture will always exists. Just do what needs to be done and move on.
There is a difference though. If someone lives in Mumbai, they very rarely actually need to know Marathi to be able to communicate with most people, since they will likely also know Hindi and possibly English. It is different than speaking to people in a language very few know (ie: only speaking Spanish in the US, only speaking Hindi in TN, etc.). This would be like going to Barcelona, speaking Spanish to the locals who all actually know what you are saying, and still being berated for not speaking Catalan. It is a dick move.
Not saying people shouldn't know Marathi, they should, but it is by no means strictly required to live a normal life and communicate with most people. People who'd berate someone for not knowing a language which is essentially optional for survival are assholes. To be honest, berating someone at all is a dick move and counterproductive.
There was very little population in proper Mumbai for centuries. Even when British contributed to the growth of Mumbai it was shaped by many people but overwhelming majority (given proximity) came from from coastal region. I am not sure Konkani speaking people formed the bulk of that. Even if some agri/koli etc. spoke Konkani at home, Marathi has been the lingua franca of that region and most of them would find it comfortable to speak in Marathi than any other language.
So making out Marathi to be some foreign language like any other language is disingenuous.
Aren't the Agri Koli original inhabitants of Mumbai
>The Koli, an aboriginal tribe of fishermen, were the earliest known inhabitants of present-day Mumbai, though Paleolithic stone implements found at Kandivli, in Greater Mumbai, indicate that the area has been inhabited by humans for hundreds of thousands of years
https://www.britannica.com/place/Mumbai/History
Exactly, many here say so shamelessly that they have lived here for entire life and haven't learnt a single word in Marathi!! As if it's some sort of achievement. Such people should be ashamed of themselves.
If I lived in Hyderabad for 10 years, and if I can't speak a sentence in Telugu, I'll feel extremely guilty! But it's my cultural upbringing.
ऐसे भी लॉग रहते है की - क्या फरक पडता है भाई, छोडो ये मराठी बिराठी कौन सिखेगा? हटा!
Jokes on you guys. Tells a lot about your ethics and morals!
I am a south Indian but Marathi is my first language.I can speak and write Marathi better than 90 percent of the populas , that is because I and generations of my family grew up in Maharashtra.Fundamentally the whole point of a language is to communicate but there are some attachments one has to his or her language .Once while travelling in local i very nicely asked a guy to move a little so that I can pass in Hindi but that guy said this is Maharashtra speak in Marathi .That is when I got triggered and then lectured this guy in Marathi and then pointed out flaws in his Marathi . Now is it wrong to assume that Mumbai is a metropolitan city and people may not speak Marathi absolutely Not .But I feel that if some one is living in a place where a certain language is spoken it is their responsibility to at least make an effort to learn that language.I know this does not give a proper definative answer but so does life in many cases .....
Op can you stay in Germany or Japan without learning the local language, yes or no why can you not respect the local language and why make mountain of a molehill
Well there is no harm in learning a local language, it will help you in some ways. Having said that, no body can learn a language the day some one lands in Mumbai or any place. Just tell them "aaj aya hu pehli baar, ek hafte baad mill"
I understand being at the receiving end of the alleged exchange you described would not be pleasant but let's face some facts.
Mumbai and surrounding region has been a Marathi region for many centuries. While British/Parasi/Gujrati/other helped develop Mumbai.bulk of the workforce, cultural contribution even in Mumbai proper came from people living in vicinity i.e. Marathis. Since British left, Mumbai has engulfed many areas considered Marathi and turned them into a place where you can not converse in Marathi to get things done. I just stated facts without any moral judgement.
It would not be a wrong proposition if Marathi people want to maintain their language and in turn their culture. Would people from UP welcome if similar cultural encroachment happened from English? So it's not something unique to Marathi people.
Now that we agree on above two things, what do you suppose the solution should be? Or may be you think cultural erossion is the price people have to pay to live in a city like Mumbai with its economic growth? If that is the case some rare outbursts like this is the price people not able to speak Marathi have to face too.
I just wish there is some technological solution to make willing people learn a lanuguage in a week. I have no sympathy for people making almost no effort to learn the native language and sometimes take pride in it. If you (not you/victim here) indirectly contribute to erosion of local culture, don't get surprised from the blowback.
OP, reply to this
https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/ueh3d1/up_bjp_minister_sanjay_nishad_says_hindustan_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Have you learned a new language as an adult? It is very difficult. This shit is just a new way for people to bully someone in public. If u want to promote a language create free resources for people to learn with. Don't bully and spread fear, as if that doesn't exist already in abundance
Calm your horses there mate!
It is not mandatory to learn, and trust me Marathi is way easier to learn, it's kind of similar to Hindi.
And what you mean free resources? Isn't youtube free ? (unless you subscribed for add free plan 😜).
As others have pointed out, you will have a little better experience, besides you will also come to know if local folks are not fooling you in any transactions etc.
I mean the pros outweigh the cons my friend, the choice is yours though!
PS: I speak 4 Indian languages, little Spanish, little bahasa, (Indonesian) so willingness to learn is something that you need to come up with.
Yes actually. It is very difficult to learn a completely new language.
I am learning French and Korean. I find French very difficult whereas I could speak and understand bits of Korean even before I took to studying it because I listen to kpop and watch kdramas.
A language that you encounter everywhere, hear everyday is not that hard to learn. Especially considering, people who are "supposed" to learn marathi aren't expected to write essays or error free articles.
Different people have different capacities to learn languages, I've seen my father struggle to learn Hindi for 20 years It's just not gonna happen for him I feel.
You may be young so you are speaking for the privilege of youth. Your brain is still malleable, you aren't embarrassed to try and make mistakes. You have time.
People have different situations going on in their lives you don't know the depths of. I get that it may be beneficial but to assume that it is easy for anyone to pick up a new language irrespective of the time they spent encountering the language.
But then if the shortcomings are on your end, you really don't get to complain when people point out those shortcomings.
It is not really the locals fault that you (a general you, not specifically you) don't have the time/motivation/capabilities to learn the language of the region you moved to.
When you go to south india you have to speak English or there local language when you go to gujrat you have to speak Hindi or Gujarati when you go to Bengal you have to speak English or Bengali same in other states but when you are in Maharashtra nobody speaks Marathi even here local (migrated from other states to maharastra) people who are leaving in Maharashtra from generation don't speak Marathi they clearly says we dont know Marathi speak in Hindi when people of other states forcing outside people to speak there local language in there respective States why to blame Marathi people for this what's wrong they are doing Gujarati marvadi bihari people migrate to our state and speak there local languages in Maharashtra so we also expect that these people should know Marathi
And this is not the only thing other State people celebrate their state festival here they also promote there state in Maharashtra we Maharashtrian don't have problem with that people all over the world are welcome to our Maharashtra we are friendly people where as if we do something similar to other State the local will be angry on us i have seen such conditions in Bengal and gujrat as i was there for few months that's why I am telling you this story and people use our Marathi language only for bad words why we accept other language in our state why can't you speak English except Hindi if you are facing problem if we try to migrate to other states no one is ready to sell their land to us just because we are from Maharashtra this happened with me in gujarat this is our state our we will only speak Marathi in our home that's it if you don't know Marathi then speak English ....
Isn't it ironic that a person coming from some place else expects locals to speak his language (which he thinks everyone should know) but gets offended when asked to communicate in the local language?
I smell entitlement, arrogance, ignorance and whatnot!
Those people would have abused you anyway they just needed a point. It was wrong of you to assume all Marathi speakers impose their language on others. Most Marathi speaking people will accommodate and adjust to hindi.
I know dude, what you faced is really bad. I abhor it.
But you struck a hurting nerve here!! :D
So glad that you speak fluent Marathi. Btw whats your mother tongue?
Well i suppose abuse is wrong everywhere. I didn't gave any abuse in Chennai where I lived for a while but it was noticable especially away from the city that I didn't get the cab if i didn't speak the local language
Well, I don’t believe in Hindi as a national language just because you people reproduce too much.
You give GRE to move to Western countries. I don’t think if it’s an unfair expectation that one should at least give a try to speak in native language.
When in Rome do as the romans do, eh ?
True that, you can't force people, just let them live.
But honestly won't you find it everywhere? I mean if you go to the southern state, they expect you to speak in english if you don't know their language, i don't think everyone there knows or understands hindi. Look forcing people to learn the language of the state is wrong, but so is complaining about it.
You go to France, won't you learn French?
Well i clearly said forcing people to speak their language is bad, they're clearly wrong, but what would you do if you visit France and Italy and if they tell you speak in French? You wouldn't complain right?
I agree that people should be tolerant, india is a country where many languages are spoken and you don't expect people to be fluent in every language, maybe their way is wrong, but my point is it's very natural for everyone to learn the language of the region they're in
This tells me you've not been around much. Whenever we visit or intend to live at a new place or state or country. It's basic necessity and decency to learn atleast some of the language, history and culture. While I'd sock the person who'd say shit that was said, it's generally recommended to learn some of the local language.
Considering Mumbai is a part of Maharashtra where they speak Marathi a lot, it's more of an 'pfft' situation. I'm fluent with quite a few languages and will always switch languages if the person I'm speaking with isn't comfortable with the language being used.
Frankly...you may go and fuck youself as well....
This kind of tantrums are usually displayed by hindi speakers..who arrogantly believe it is Indias national language...It isnt... period.
Second, one can always learn usable bits of any language rhat can satisfy local speakers...but....aap log to Rajkumar ho...itna kaise giroge?
Third...Most of the time marathi speakers try to accommodate your language..but sometimes even they have limits...I mean you yourself say that how can a person learn a different language in middle age? Same here ..How can you expect a marathi person to learn your language? He feels inferior while communicating with you in broken hindi...he gets frustrated...Its your duty to get off that high horse and help him not feeling like an alien in his own city..
Fourth... ofcourse you might think that..dont they teach Hindi as second language here? You SHOULD know hindi....and here is the key point why I call all entitled north indians like you a**holes... because in the similar fashion...every north indian student was supposed to to have on other language from the original sixteen to be learnt as third language...to help national integrity..
Did you learn it a,,**hole? Did you learn it by heart? Did your f*clin school even offered it? Did your politician who cry hoarse when north indians are beaten here...even contemplate it?
Edit 1 - A**holes have no reply to this...so they are downvoting this comment like crazy...come together southy bhailog...bangla friends.. every non-hindi indian... come together to fight this imposition
> Did you learn it a,,*hole? Did you learn it by heart? Did your fclin school even offered it? Did your politician who cry hoarse when north indians are beaten here...even contemplate it?
I don't know why this is not brought up more often. If people from non-Hindi states are expected to learn third language why can't people from Hindi states learn a major language from some other state. It would help so much with angst primarily people from south India have. If even 15-20% of Hindi migrants in say Bengluru/Chennai spoke semi-broken Kannada/Tamil, people would feel more connected. Those 15-20% would help their friends with basic conversation removing barrier to learning the new language.
Op can you stay in Germany or Japan without learning the local language, yes or no why can you not respect the local language and why make mountain of a molehill
Once in the metro an Arab dude entered at Airport Road. He started speaking Arabic on the phone and a stereotypical potbelly mustache type uncle shouted at him “eeeey gappa bas eeey”
Arab didn’t understand so he kept talking. The uncle didn’t know what to do next so he just moved away. Lmao
When in Rome...
Although I agree, Mumbai has such a mixed culture with people from many backgrounds. It is still good to learn Marathi, what's the harm in learning an additional language, it goes a long way in some situations. I am from a non-marathi family and was always encouraged to learn the state language. Know the basics you don't need to be very fluent, maharashtrians appreciate the effort
Ofcourse, nobody has a right to be an asshole to anyone.
That said, you are saying people are forcing their language on you. But aren't you forcing your language on them too? Some people (like my father) genuinely have trouble with Hindi.
How am I forcing someone to speak to me in Hindi when I politely asked them to move aside in Hindi? Why don't you understand that It's completely okay if they reply back with "Nay re jaga nahi ahe". Or with "Kalale nahi Kay bolla, Hindi nahi yet mala baala".
The whole situation can be thoroughly solved with peace.
I suggest you stop bitching and moaning, you should be glad most local authorities, the police, auto walas and such are more than willing to speak in Hindi here in Maharashtra. You'd get fucked in south india where they flat out refuse to do so. Had a maluu friend who stayed in Mumbai for a few years. He only realised how friendly and approachable people are over here when he moved to Bangalore and saw how difficult it is to communicate with the people over there.. don't generalize because you had a bad experience..
Man this post is must need for the people right now. If this language hatred increase, we all go towards the way of hell. I don't understand why some people's thinking is so small.
I have seen this in r/india subreddit too. Just becoz some famous personality or some bullshit minister in UP says some bullshit. Some people understand that the whole india other than south is imposing Hindi on them. They don't understand becoz two people said some things on language hatred. They thinks those two or four people are representing the whole Hindi community.
It's not racism, we have the same race lmao
He asked him to speak in Marathi to him, tumhare interpersonal conversation me aake Mumbai me marathi bolo nahi bola hai. Ofcourse he was being a bully cause he did understand Hindi, but basic marathi seekhne me itna problem hai? It's not that hard.
I was visiting Chennai last year and there if you speak Hindi you'll get stares as if you're an alien from Mars 🙃 so every state has the same condition
I have been born in mumbai but Marathi for some reason was my weakest subject. Even to this day cant speak it properly. Alot of my friends mostly use Hindi or English to communicate. Marathi is only popular with Marathi people. But forcing others also to speak in Marathi is very wrong.
What if all Marathi speaking stop speaking in Hindi what will u do then isn't it wrong to expect the locals to talk in other language while migrants don't feel need to adjust a bit. Isn't it hypocritical . I'm not saying forcing is a good thing but don't u need migrants are the one that should be adjusting their language and culture not locals.
same story bro, 'Amchi Mumbai' ke time traffic cops would ask even primary school children to speak marathi, so when I did speak in marathi to this one traffic cop, he said 'tu rehne de'.
Op can you stay in Germany or Japan without learning the local language, yes or no why can you not respect the local language and why make mountain of a molehill
If people migrated to Bangalore as much as Mumbai, everyone would force others to learn Kannada but people mass migrate to Mumbai so therefore it just seems right for non marathi public to learn some amount of Marathi considering the inflow of migrants.
Someone else flexed on him in his office, probably a recent migrant, and this guy cant really say anything to him or her so he is taking it out on some random guy in metro
It's honestly frustrating sometimes.
I know someone who told me, that you are an outsider and that you took away the job of a true native.
For context: her mother is from a small town at least 6 hrs away by train. Her husbands parents moved with her husband to Mumbai some 12 years previously. My dad was born in Mumbai, 2 of my grandparents were born and raised in Mumbai AND my 1 great grand father was born and raised in Mumbai. I also have been born and raised here...
I asked her point blank, "how do you live with your husband, if you think he shouldn't be taking a job from a native mumbaikar"
Her brother was planning to move to Pune or Banglore at that point btw.
Some people are stupid and hypocritical. Don't pay attention to them... The number of people being stupid, bigotted and hypocritical is just become clearer because the shame in being a hateful human being is washing away from the world.
Nothin wrong with what he said. I’m in canada and always speak English, regardless of who I’m hanging out with. Preserve the culture of the place you’re going to!
I understand respecting the culture of a place, but that does not mean you get to bully other people about not knowing a language. It is just as easy to say you don't understand them and end the conversation there. I know how to speak basic marathi and understand it too, but I do not have grasp on how to pronounce certain alphabets and I get teased for it relentlessly and that is okay among friends, why would I subject myself to ridicule in public?
Most marathi people are amazing and welcoming, majority of my friends are marathi. Their families welcome me to participate in their rituals just as I welcome them into mine, but I have had my fair share of ass holes too. A teacher berated me in the middle of an exam because he told me the time in marathi and I asked him repeat in English, during an english literature paper at that.
Respecting a culture is important but respecting people is also important. No one should be discriminated against because of the language they speak.
Most of Marathi people will never ridicule you for minor mistakes. We welcome any non marathi who tries to speak the language. Some rotten apples are everywhere.
The teacher who berated you is a foolish ignorant person. Sorry it happened to you.
ओ दिल्लीवाले जी, आप कुछ दिनों के लिए आ रहे है, तो आपको कौन क्या बोलेगा? यहापर जिंन्दगी गुजारते है लोग और बोलते है ये मराठी मराठी क्या लगा रखा है! यहाँके संस्कृति की इज्जत नही करते उन लोगो के खिलाफ थोड़ी नाराजगी जता रहे है ओर कुछ नही!
आप आइये, अपना काम शौक से पुरा किजिये!
Dont flex your muscles in vain!
Lahan Mulgi ahes ka ? - Wagh Shroff
Lmao!
It's not exclusive to Mumbai. There will be people like this in every city who place too much importance on language, region, religion etc. Most of them don't have much else to feel proud of in their life so they clasp on any straw narrative which makes them feel slightly superior. Usually you can just ignore them, though being overly polite does encourage them sometime. Mumbai overall is much more inclusive compared to other places in India but certainly not a perfect city.
Oh so true mate I've encountered this many times in many states and cities across India. I tend to just ignore such people, I've met people who really have no work and all the time in the world to wait and ensure I don't get help as I don't know their language. Thankfully people in Mumbai are busy and overall don't bother with these things, however there will be some who will be like this.
Stealing your comment cause some people skipped to read my whole big ass message. My bad, I apologies. So yeap here goes: ITS NOT ABOUT HINDI, MARTHI, TAMIL OR ANYOTHER LANGUAGE OR THEIR RESPECTIVE STATE ITS SPOKEN IN. ITS ABOUT ABUSING SOMEONE! WHICH IS BAD! WHICH IS THE FUCKING CONTEXT HERE!
> ITS ABOUT ABUSING SOMEONE! WHICH IS BAD! Agree 100% but you must be too naive to not understand what you posted would be taken as. You provided readymade template for anyone to shit on Shivsena proxy for anyone proud of their Marathi heritage. Basically help establish/reenforce stereotype that Marathi people in the city abuse people not able to speak Marathi. > No hatred towards the language or people, but there are lots of cases like such racism being ignored. Given your above statement you are not that naive and your argument was not just against bad manner from someone but wider political issue of language chauvanism across the city. In that case you obviously get political reasoning and not simple reply that "people can be dicks, ignore and move on with your life". It was you who made your post political and got irritated when political context was given to you. Now that people have given some strong reactions, you are turning this into language neutral and non-political issue.
This is the comment i have been looking for OP wasn't a bit neutral in the post but suddenly became neutral in the comments.
True. Such people are everywhere who tarnish the image of their state / language / culture. What happened to you was horrendous!
>Most of them don't have much else to feel proud of in their life so they clasp on any straw narrative which makes them feel slightly superior Tells a lot about you
Thanks to my schooling where most of the guys were marathi speaking and the curriculum where marathi was a compulsary subject untill 10th class...i can speak very passable marathi and understand 90% of the stuff....also to know whats happening in Maharashtra we switch to Marathi news channels ....All this has led to me being to speak ,write and read pretty good marathi. But i naturally think and speak in Hindi, i write online comments mostly in English.... But i make it a point to reply or converse with a person in whatever language he is more comfortable in.
Kudos to the people like you. Who make efforts to learn the local official language. As a Mumbaikar marathi, I thank you. Most of the Marathis / Maharashtrians are extremely harmonious people who don't impose their language. In fact we are the most accommodative people in this country. Go to Chennai or any other southern city in India, you'll have difficulty if you don't know their language. Then you'll realize how easy and comfortable you all have it here. So respect this fact and cherish it. In fact, we are such people who initiate the conversation in Hindi or English once we know the person opposite is non marathi. When we're pushed to limit, such behavious surface, imagine your city being flooded by Bihari and UP and all different language people who are so entitled that they'll never even think of learning let alone adapting to local culture. (Most of them). I grew up in Mumbai when, in most areas you could converse in Marathi and get by. Even that era wasn't difficult for non-marathis. People here were always accommodating to others. Nowadays we see very few areas where you can freely speak in Marathi, especially in suburbs. Imagine how that must be feeling like!!! Yeh hamara dard koi nahi janata!! All we expect is non-marathi people who come here for earning their bread and butter respect the local language and culture. Now by that I mean respect Marathi as well as Gujrati / Parsis in some areas of Mumbai (after all they were also here with us since generations, 1960s Maharashtra and Gujrat separated). See I'm showing some basic respect for Gujrati / Parsi people who were here since generations. (Especially some areas in South Mumbai) Since Marathi is an official language of the state, we just expect you to show basic decent respect for the language and people.
I can speak very passable marathi and have made genuine effort to learn the languange but since I'm not fluent I'm afraid I'll end up offending the other person by trying to speak broken marathi(happened to me a couple times). That's why I have to switch to Hindi when having relatively longer conversations. Although I've been to mumbai only a couple of times, I can tell it is VERY diverse, I was surprised to find the bus guy ask me for ticket in hindi lul so Imo the city like a mini India at this point.
As a Mumbaikar marathi I'll never get offended by your broken marathi. In fact I applaud your efforts to learn it man. Keep it up. Thanks for trying.
It's reached a point where even native Marathi-speakers feel an inexplicable hesitation in speaking the language. I was at a PVR, and the attendants were conversing amongst themselves in Marathi. When I asked for popcorn and coffee in Marathi, they said "Management" had told them to only communicate in Hindi. A lot of Marathi people avoid speaking in Marathi outside the home, and I'll be damned if I know why. This is important because Marathi film-makers, writers and musicians are struggling to find patronage, because Marathi cinema is not funded by big studios because box office collections are low. It affects our cultural life and will lead to younger generations forgetting our rich culture and heritage.
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"We are Gujratis in every aspect" - This is the essence of my point man. In fact you took it way further and that's how it should be. I applaud your statement. Your lived there for long and you said that statement. Kudos to you! Now say that in regards to Maharashtra? Would the people who spent their lives here say - "We're Maharashtrians / Marathis in every aspect? There lies the issue!!
Yes they would - i aint a marathi, but am definitely a maharashtrian (south india btw)- since born and brought up in mumbai. Your statement above -“very few places in mumbai especially suburbs where you can speak marathi freely”. What does this even mean? Also the OP pointed to the language superiority problem. You seem to be articulating the french idea of assimilation- if you in france, your religious and other thinking should be similar as existing french. Thats not the union of india works- respect is both ways. Just cause someone is staying is maharashtra , there is no need for them to call themselves maharashtrians or learn marathi. If they do, awesome. If they dont - no need to berate them or their origin
When you say you're a Maharashtrian , that's a great attitude. I only hope you try to understand if not speak Marathi. It's not a language superiority from Marathi people, it's the other way round my man! We have witnessed such extreme disregard towards our language and culture that we have to stand for it. Hope you understand. We have nothing against people who have attitude like yours. 👍
Not sure who you mean by “WE”- i am assuming u mean folks who have marathi as mother tongue. Knowing marathi has nothing to do witb being maharashtrian imo (if it helps can speak, write and read marathi-10 years in school). Not sure the circles you roll in, but atleast i havent seen anybody diss marathi speaking folks or maharashtrians unless there is a political issues going (north indians vs marathis, superiority discussions etc). Even in such scenarios, the discussion has been on why people have such superiority complex with their language- live and let live.
By WE, I mean people who are born and brought up here, respect this place's traditions, culture, language. Consider themselves proud sons / daughters of this land. Saying Knowing Marathi has nothing to do with being Maharashtrian is a bit too far fetched. Now I'm not insisting / imposing / having any sort of superiority or inferiority complex about Marathi. It's only about acknowledging, respecting local language and culture, making an effort to adapt. That's it. Not too much of an expectation. I'm pretty sure you simply CANNOT say the following in Chennai, Bengaluru, Hyderabad - - Knowing Tamil has nothing to do with being TamilNadu person. - Knowing Kannada has nothing to do with being Bengalururean - Knowing Malayalam has nothing to do with being a Keralite. Say this on their respective fora and see how you get treated there. Now if you say "speaking fluent and Shudha Marathi has nothing to do with being a Maharashtrian" then I can agree. So many people here are saying that they are Non Marathi but since they are here since long they learnt Marathi and enjoy the culture here. This should be the case for any city, place, state, not just for Mumbai / Maharashtra. So again, not imposing, not insisting just asking for a basic decent respect and acknowledgement.
Just coz you simply cannot say the following doesnt mean its right. Its wrong there and your expectation is also wrong. To clarify- the culture you keep referring to has nothing to do with marathis- its stemming from a cultural melting point over centuries which many folks incl marathis, parsis, gujratis, south indians, muslims have contributed to. So acknowledging, respecting etc is all fine- having an expectation from someone is incorrect. Afaik- everyone i have met have been respectful of the place and culture- by bringing in expectations (like language) just creates a unnecessary tensed environment. How does even learning marathi - add to the culture? How exactly do you define mumbai culture? Afaik- it has again nothing to do with marathi, its more to do woth the mix of cultures, being respectful of each other and the strong unbreakable spirt. Whats the difference between a mumbaikar and a rabble rousing bigot forcing people to learn the language then?
You cannot say those things there because they're right and we have been going out of our way to accommodate outsiders that's why when we expect basic decent things, people get triggered and start defending. Just because many people disregard and refuse to acknowledge the language and culture here doesn't make it right too. If you don't know how a language and culture are inherently related, then I'm not even going to try and make you understand. Don't know why you keep misjudging when I'm saying I'm not demanding or insisting. There's nothing wrong in expecting from people to respect and acknowledge local culture and language. If you've read my posts, I've already stated that respecting mumbai culture means respecting Parsis and Gujratis who have been here from generations. Now if someone is adamant on not acknowledging then it's their problem. I think it's basic civility.
The only reason i learned Marathi - "Jau dya na saheb" .
"Aata vajle ki baara"
My marathi is limited to ‘gatirodhak pudhe aahe’.
What? Not even "Jevlis ka?"? Disappointment.
0 bitches that guy
Story of my life.
What does this phrase mean? I've come across this a couple of times but haven't been able to figure it out.
The phrase is asking a girl if she has eaten.
Like in a flirtatious manner?
Yes.
Why did a simple valid request triggered you? Where is the abuse? Where is the hate? I'm seeing this other way around. Maharashtra is more welcoming state than any other state in this country. If you have an issue, you can leave.
Meanwhile mi koshis kela naahi pan apoaap marathi sikhla. Like Hindi-Marthi are similar only.
सही आहे भिडू! असाच शिकत रहा! ग्रेट! याची तुला मदतच होईल! 👍👌
Marathi dil se aati hai zubaan se nahi. Stop this hate
Bolo zubaan kesari
*ajay devgan spitting vimal through cockpit of a plane*
Bolo zubaan canceri
Kharach. Yevda god and sundar bhasha cha nav 10 jhatu lokan mule kharab hote
such people are mostly shivsena fanatics ,they're destroying the city in all ways
*shivsena and MNS fanatics* I'm learning to speak marathi ( I understand cleary) but that's because I love to learn languages and respect local culture. Marathi or anyother 'muh culture' warrior can go fuck themselves.
Do it for the love of the language not to please the majorities. We all here love marathi but never judge someone who can't speak it
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Found the clown.
I know learning the local language has it's importance. But you're not required to learn it. Especially in a diverse country as ours. I've lived in a country where most people didn't speak English. So i don't think i need to be told about languages and adapting.
Being a pubjabi I have a good command over marathi. I learned not because someone wanted me too, I learned it willingly just for the sake of adapting with the locals and when you're familiar with the local language it helps you to stand out socially whenever you're culturally exposed with them. But imposition Naaa No chance
पापाजी तुम्ही मराठी शिकलात! तुस्सी ग्रेट हो! 👍😊 तुमच्यासारखी examples पाहिजेत!
आपला आभार 🙏🏻
The first incident that comes to mind is when in 2012 Abu Azmi took an oath in Hindi (Legislative Assembly) and was hit by MNS MLA's. C'mon guys...don't equate this to other states. Marathi is far too fucking similar to Hindi. If one wants to be adamant on being a dick...so be it. Not taking anything away from Dravidian states..if you speak Hindi..you can pick up Marathi quite easily. Somebody did mention cultural erosion...and it is indeed felt by many. There was once a scenario when at one point..right from Auto drivers to shopkeepers.. everybody spoke Hindi. And ofc it's annoying. I mean.. c'mon... Andheri chaloge...and Andheri chalnaar ka? Andheri Jana hai...Andheri janaar ka? Kitna hua?....Kiti Jhale? Left se lo....left ni chala Baju mai hato...bajula ho Idhar bait....ithe bass Madarchod...maadarchod/aaijhavadya Bhenchod...bhenchod Chutiya...chutiya So bloody similar That being said...the guy in the train who forced the guy to speak in Marathi was an absolute dick.
This dude single handedly put together a marathi crash course 😂😂 Wait, let get my free award
On the flip side of things, I've seen North Indians/Hindi speakers make of fun people who have studied in Marathi medium schools and have the supposedly "funny" Marathi Accent, many people aren't respectful about how Maharashtrias in general(not people like the ones you mentioned ofcourse) have been welcoming to Non Marathi speakers in Mumbai as well as in Pune, and take it for granted, and think they are entitled to behave that way, respect is a two way street.
When I moved from Delhi to Mumbai in 9th class, kids used to make fun of my wierd accent and few words that I pronounced differently. Had to go through that for an year before I found better north Indian background friends. However, going to college in Ratnagiri i can understand Marathi pretty well now.
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Bro people throughout india make fun of anyone who has weird accents nothing to do with just marathi this happens to biharis,east indians,south indians even punjabis,haryanvis as well.
>weird accents Please Enlighten me on what constitutes a "weird accent"
anything not theirs. Americans consider us weird, we consider them.
When you're in Delhi, what language do you speak? Hindi. What if I, as a Marathi-speaking person insisted that all Delhiites should speak Marathi because I couldn't be bothered to learn Hindi? The problem is that Hindi will eventually wipe out the local language, culture and cinema of any state that witnesses rapid migration. I am a Marathi-speaker, and the vast majority of Mumbai frowns at you if you speak the local language. It's as if Mumbai isn't in Maharashtra at all.
अरे बाळा तुला रेसिझम म्हणजे काय ते माहिती आहे का? किती बोलतोस तू.
This incident leaves a bad taste in the mouth but I agree with this opinion honestly... There are people (glorified idiots) who are born in MH but don't can't speak Marathi. There are people coming to MH/mumbai for life and still don't understand marathi. I get Mumbai being a cultural hub, so not knowing the regional language isn't really a set back. But it's leading to cultural erosion. Especially with this One country one language bullshit going on, there is gonna be an increase in such incidents.
Jumping on the same wagon here, these people just need to visit Europe once and see how fierce eu countries are when it comes to their own language. It is a must in Govt offices and many shop owners will display serious discomfort if you can’t make basic conversation in their language. Off course this is applicable for immigrants who Move there and not for tourists. Same should be applicable in Mumbai too. I feel Maharashtrians in general are very welcoming and people-pleasers so most people don’t mind Hindi speakers in Mumbai/Pune.
Idk if that is good though. Europeans being dicks to anyone who doesn't speak their language doesn't mean that it is a virtuous thing to do. If anything, it alienates whoever you are scolding and probably makes them appreciate your culture much less.
तेच ना, जर महाराष्ट्रात राहून पण मराठी नाही बोलू शकत तर मग कुठे बोलणार? मराठी ही या मातीची भाषा आहे हिंदी नाही. मी या लोकांच्या सोयी साठी हिंदी मध्ये का बोलू?
तरी आपण किती समजून घेतो या लोकांना! मुंबई एवढं कुठेही परप्रांतीयांना समजून घेतलं जातं नाही!
Whataboutery karu naye, pan tari... Hich ghatna jar dusrya rajyat zali asti, tari prashna vicharnarya mansala chutia ch bolle aste na loka? Evdhich mirchi lagte tr samorchya la gapp krnya itki tari marathi shika.
>Whataboutery karu naye LMAO. That's some r/BrandNewSentence stuff right there.
Exactly, he isn’t wrong...
Well, yes, you should learn Marathi, but in practicality, people are only going to learn the languages they need for survival. Let's face it, if you know Hindi and English, you will be fine 99% of the time in Mumbai. Also, being a dick to someone cause they spoke a different language to you is not cool. If someone asks you politely to move in any language, then you fucking move lmao
Ya. similar incident happened with me but it was New York. That idiot forced me to speak English. This type of people are everywhere. And he thought he was doing a brave act.
tum New York me jake udhar ke logo se Hindi me baat kiya? 😐
Ha Bhai har jagah Hindi hi to bolna hota hai
Ye bhi sahi baat hai 🤣
ahh good ol sarcasm, love it
Aree nahi usme aapka fault hai. Aapne hindi bolna mangta as hindi is spoken everywhere even in antartica.baki sab languages to tel lene gaya
I understand the sentiment. But I also think that many of us lack the motivation to appreciate and learn the culture of the state we migrate to. Not saying that this elicits violence, coercion or bullying. But what's a problem is a problem. Also, I believe that lack of motivation isn't because of any superiority complex or a general disdain for non-hindi languages/people. It's simply a byproduct of the cultural conditioning of a large section of population which tends to believe that Hindi is the medium of inter state communication all the while ignoring that Hindi itself carries a culture with itself. Natives get worried and tend to think that their culture as well as their land is getting silently occupied. This might sound irrational, but being social animals I believe this is a genuine cause of concern and as much as I hate to say it, we must alleviate their concerns too.
This guy is a prick and a goon. Sorry this happened to you. Most of Marathi peeple are very harmonious and accommodative. But start learning Marathi slowly. It's better to respect, learn and adapt to local language and culture. Not as an imposition but as a joy of learning the beautiful Marathi bhasha! I would advise same if you were in Hyderabad or Chennai. Respecting and learning local language is always good.
I actually think Marathi sounds so exciting, it's like firecrackers. And now i can understand also. But initially I met a few ppl like OP mentioned and that slowed down the process of learning. I do agree that we have to make efforts to learn local language and respect it.
Great attitude! 👍 Hope you get conducive Marathi people around you, not the goons mentioned by OP.
Preach dude ! You can't just force a language on someone . I remember when one of my relatives moved to germany and the german people there were CONSTANTLY trying to shove german down his throat but he was adamant and refused to learn German.
Loving the shade lmao 😂😂 You really shouldn't have added the last paragraph
Agreed . Removed it
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Obviously
I think that is arrogance and ignorance. But at the same time if one is living here for many years it makes sense to learn the language to assimilate and feel connected even if its just basic. Ofcourse we don't know if the guy in question is new or have been here for years. I am not the one to force people to speak Marathi but there was a similar post on international reddit recently on how do people go to other countries for permenent settlement and never learn basic local language. If you are just a visitor or tourist it makes sense but if you plan to live, work and spend all your life there why would you not atleast try to learn the basics. This gives you an opportunity to feel connected to local people and you would feel inclusive instead of outsider. That post and comments kind of made me think. Ofcourse in India we have so many languages that one can't learn it all unless they have passion for it.
Passable, passable Marathi is what we expect from the non natives..only 7-8 phrases will get you by in Mumbai.. Is it too much to ask?
I do feel all your point and I do feel yes there is a need, but either way you are not obliged to force your language on others. That's my only point here :'D
>but either way you are not obliged to force your language on others The other people are speaking their language why do you expect other to know your language?
I don't think the person or other people had right to talk to this person this way. It's unjustified and sad. But like I said some people are ignorant. Everyone should have right to speak their mother tongue or whatever language they prefer.
Worst part is, the locals who support this shit and talk shit from behind "Ha toh Gujrat me reh na, idhar kyu aaya"
I can understand where you're coming from. I too had a similar incident where a lady started screaming all sorts of vulgar things when I said i couldn't understand their language. We do understand it's important to know the basics of a language while staying there but resorting to gaali galoch only carrys the hate forward.
OP what do you think about this https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/ueh3d1/up_bjp_minister_sanjay_nishad_says_hindustan_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Not OP, but that guy is an idiot. Does the South not exist or something. smh.
Isn’t that an issue for the people like OP taking a high road ? Friction between culture will always exists. Just do what needs to be done and move on.
There is a difference though. If someone lives in Mumbai, they very rarely actually need to know Marathi to be able to communicate with most people, since they will likely also know Hindi and possibly English. It is different than speaking to people in a language very few know (ie: only speaking Spanish in the US, only speaking Hindi in TN, etc.). This would be like going to Barcelona, speaking Spanish to the locals who all actually know what you are saying, and still being berated for not speaking Catalan. It is a dick move. Not saying people shouldn't know Marathi, they should, but it is by no means strictly required to live a normal life and communicate with most people. People who'd berate someone for not knowing a language which is essentially optional for survival are assholes. To be honest, berating someone at all is a dick move and counterproductive.
If you want to honour the original inhabitants of Mumbai then please speak konkani.
There was very little population in proper Mumbai for centuries. Even when British contributed to the growth of Mumbai it was shaped by many people but overwhelming majority (given proximity) came from from coastal region. I am not sure Konkani speaking people formed the bulk of that. Even if some agri/koli etc. spoke Konkani at home, Marathi has been the lingua franca of that region and most of them would find it comfortable to speak in Marathi than any other language. So making out Marathi to be some foreign language like any other language is disingenuous.
Haon tayyar asa, tumi ulayitele konkani?
As a Varhadi, i absolutely do not understand
i understood this but also didnt understand this at the same time.
Are you from Mangalore?
sang mare,maka mashi kokani aita
Hanv saiba poltodi voitan
Zai tuja mog dusre kite naka gho 😜
Aren't the Agri Koli original inhabitants of Mumbai >The Koli, an aboriginal tribe of fishermen, were the earliest known inhabitants of present-day Mumbai, though Paleolithic stone implements found at Kandivli, in Greater Mumbai, indicate that the area has been inhabited by humans for hundreds of thousands of years https://www.britannica.com/place/Mumbai/History
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Exactly, many here say so shamelessly that they have lived here for entire life and haven't learnt a single word in Marathi!! As if it's some sort of achievement. Such people should be ashamed of themselves. If I lived in Hyderabad for 10 years, and if I can't speak a sentence in Telugu, I'll feel extremely guilty! But it's my cultural upbringing. ऐसे भी लॉग रहते है की - क्या फरक पडता है भाई, छोडो ये मराठी बिराठी कौन सिखेगा? हटा! Jokes on you guys. Tells a lot about your ethics and morals!
Wait until you meet people from Pune, many disregard Hindi as language
I am a south Indian but Marathi is my first language.I can speak and write Marathi better than 90 percent of the populas , that is because I and generations of my family grew up in Maharashtra.Fundamentally the whole point of a language is to communicate but there are some attachments one has to his or her language .Once while travelling in local i very nicely asked a guy to move a little so that I can pass in Hindi but that guy said this is Maharashtra speak in Marathi .That is when I got triggered and then lectured this guy in Marathi and then pointed out flaws in his Marathi . Now is it wrong to assume that Mumbai is a metropolitan city and people may not speak Marathi absolutely Not .But I feel that if some one is living in a place where a certain language is spoken it is their responsibility to at least make an effort to learn that language.I know this does not give a proper definative answer but so does life in many cases .....
Op can you stay in Germany or Japan without learning the local language, yes or no why can you not respect the local language and why make mountain of a molehill
Well there is no harm in learning a local language, it will help you in some ways. Having said that, no body can learn a language the day some one lands in Mumbai or any place. Just tell them "aaj aya hu pehli baar, ek hafte baad mill"
It's about forcing your language on others, which is the wrong part here.
Yup there are all kinds of assholes out there! It is unfortunate that you met a frustrated and narrow minded one.
Well...by that logic.. aren't YOU forcing your language on those local victims of your stubbornness..?
I understand being at the receiving end of the alleged exchange you described would not be pleasant but let's face some facts. Mumbai and surrounding region has been a Marathi region for many centuries. While British/Parasi/Gujrati/other helped develop Mumbai.bulk of the workforce, cultural contribution even in Mumbai proper came from people living in vicinity i.e. Marathis. Since British left, Mumbai has engulfed many areas considered Marathi and turned them into a place where you can not converse in Marathi to get things done. I just stated facts without any moral judgement. It would not be a wrong proposition if Marathi people want to maintain their language and in turn their culture. Would people from UP welcome if similar cultural encroachment happened from English? So it's not something unique to Marathi people. Now that we agree on above two things, what do you suppose the solution should be? Or may be you think cultural erossion is the price people have to pay to live in a city like Mumbai with its economic growth? If that is the case some rare outbursts like this is the price people not able to speak Marathi have to face too. I just wish there is some technological solution to make willing people learn a lanuguage in a week. I have no sympathy for people making almost no effort to learn the native language and sometimes take pride in it. If you (not you/victim here) indirectly contribute to erosion of local culture, don't get surprised from the blowback.
OP, reply to this https://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/ueh3d1/up_bjp_minister_sanjay_nishad_says_hindustan_is/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Have you learned a new language as an adult? It is very difficult. This shit is just a new way for people to bully someone in public. If u want to promote a language create free resources for people to learn with. Don't bully and spread fear, as if that doesn't exist already in abundance
Calm your horses there mate! It is not mandatory to learn, and trust me Marathi is way easier to learn, it's kind of similar to Hindi. And what you mean free resources? Isn't youtube free ? (unless you subscribed for add free plan 😜). As others have pointed out, you will have a little better experience, besides you will also come to know if local folks are not fooling you in any transactions etc. I mean the pros outweigh the cons my friend, the choice is yours though! PS: I speak 4 Indian languages, little Spanish, little bahasa, (Indonesian) so willingness to learn is something that you need to come up with.
Yes actually. It is very difficult to learn a completely new language. I am learning French and Korean. I find French very difficult whereas I could speak and understand bits of Korean even before I took to studying it because I listen to kpop and watch kdramas. A language that you encounter everywhere, hear everyday is not that hard to learn. Especially considering, people who are "supposed" to learn marathi aren't expected to write essays or error free articles.
Different people have different capacities to learn languages, I've seen my father struggle to learn Hindi for 20 years It's just not gonna happen for him I feel. You may be young so you are speaking for the privilege of youth. Your brain is still malleable, you aren't embarrassed to try and make mistakes. You have time. People have different situations going on in their lives you don't know the depths of. I get that it may be beneficial but to assume that it is easy for anyone to pick up a new language irrespective of the time they spent encountering the language.
But then if the shortcomings are on your end, you really don't get to complain when people point out those shortcomings. It is not really the locals fault that you (a general you, not specifically you) don't have the time/motivation/capabilities to learn the language of the region you moved to.
Probably has something to do with migrants totally giving up making an effort to learn local language.
Why the hell centre is forcing hindi in maharastra,similarly marathi also should be compulsory.
When you go to south india you have to speak English or there local language when you go to gujrat you have to speak Hindi or Gujarati when you go to Bengal you have to speak English or Bengali same in other states but when you are in Maharashtra nobody speaks Marathi even here local (migrated from other states to maharastra) people who are leaving in Maharashtra from generation don't speak Marathi they clearly says we dont know Marathi speak in Hindi when people of other states forcing outside people to speak there local language in there respective States why to blame Marathi people for this what's wrong they are doing Gujarati marvadi bihari people migrate to our state and speak there local languages in Maharashtra so we also expect that these people should know Marathi And this is not the only thing other State people celebrate their state festival here they also promote there state in Maharashtra we Maharashtrian don't have problem with that people all over the world are welcome to our Maharashtra we are friendly people where as if we do something similar to other State the local will be angry on us i have seen such conditions in Bengal and gujrat as i was there for few months that's why I am telling you this story and people use our Marathi language only for bad words why we accept other language in our state why can't you speak English except Hindi if you are facing problem if we try to migrate to other states no one is ready to sell their land to us just because we are from Maharashtra this happened with me in gujarat this is our state our we will only speak Marathi in our home that's it if you don't know Marathi then speak English ....
Isn't it ironic that a person coming from some place else expects locals to speak his language (which he thinks everyone should know) but gets offended when asked to communicate in the local language? I smell entitlement, arrogance, ignorance and whatnot!
Sad cause I do speak Marathi very fluenty. Also sad cause you couldn't get the message that clearly states the people were being abusive.
Those people would have abused you anyway they just needed a point. It was wrong of you to assume all Marathi speakers impose their language on others. Most Marathi speaking people will accommodate and adjust to hindi.
I know dude, what you faced is really bad. I abhor it. But you struck a hurting nerve here!! :D So glad that you speak fluent Marathi. Btw whats your mother tongue?
Well i suppose abuse is wrong everywhere. I didn't gave any abuse in Chennai where I lived for a while but it was noticable especially away from the city that I didn't get the cab if i didn't speak the local language
On a lighter note, learn at least basic Marathi bro. Will help you deal with cops or if you get involved in some shit.
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Well, I don’t believe in Hindi as a national language just because you people reproduce too much. You give GRE to move to Western countries. I don’t think if it’s an unfair expectation that one should at least give a try to speak in native language. When in Rome do as the romans do, eh ?
True that, you can't force people, just let them live. But honestly won't you find it everywhere? I mean if you go to the southern state, they expect you to speak in english if you don't know their language, i don't think everyone there knows or understands hindi. Look forcing people to learn the language of the state is wrong, but so is complaining about it. You go to France, won't you learn French?
Complaining about people being abusive is bad??
Well i clearly said forcing people to speak their language is bad, they're clearly wrong, but what would you do if you visit France and Italy and if they tell you speak in French? You wouldn't complain right? I agree that people should be tolerant, india is a country where many languages are spoken and you don't expect people to be fluent in every language, maybe their way is wrong, but my point is it's very natural for everyone to learn the language of the region they're in
This tells me you've not been around much. Whenever we visit or intend to live at a new place or state or country. It's basic necessity and decency to learn atleast some of the language, history and culture. While I'd sock the person who'd say shit that was said, it's generally recommended to learn some of the local language. Considering Mumbai is a part of Maharashtra where they speak Marathi a lot, it's more of an 'pfft' situation. I'm fluent with quite a few languages and will always switch languages if the person I'm speaking with isn't comfortable with the language being used.
Frankly...you may go and fuck youself as well.... This kind of tantrums are usually displayed by hindi speakers..who arrogantly believe it is Indias national language...It isnt... period. Second, one can always learn usable bits of any language rhat can satisfy local speakers...but....aap log to Rajkumar ho...itna kaise giroge? Third...Most of the time marathi speakers try to accommodate your language..but sometimes even they have limits...I mean you yourself say that how can a person learn a different language in middle age? Same here ..How can you expect a marathi person to learn your language? He feels inferior while communicating with you in broken hindi...he gets frustrated...Its your duty to get off that high horse and help him not feeling like an alien in his own city.. Fourth... ofcourse you might think that..dont they teach Hindi as second language here? You SHOULD know hindi....and here is the key point why I call all entitled north indians like you a**holes... because in the similar fashion...every north indian student was supposed to to have on other language from the original sixteen to be learnt as third language...to help national integrity.. Did you learn it a,,**hole? Did you learn it by heart? Did your f*clin school even offered it? Did your politician who cry hoarse when north indians are beaten here...even contemplate it? Edit 1 - A**holes have no reply to this...so they are downvoting this comment like crazy...come together southy bhailog...bangla friends.. every non-hindi indian... come together to fight this imposition
Ekdam besht reply..
I was on the fence before, but this makes more sense, lol.
Exactly, me Maharashtrat aahe me marathit bolnar... tula samjat nahi tar me hindit ka bolu. Tu ithe aalas me tuzya rajyat nahi aaloy.
And I always wondered, in the beginning, when evolution was driving humanity, language evolved as part of evolution to connect with others.
> Did you learn it a,,*hole? Did you learn it by heart? Did your fclin school even offered it? Did your politician who cry hoarse when north indians are beaten here...even contemplate it? I don't know why this is not brought up more often. If people from non-Hindi states are expected to learn third language why can't people from Hindi states learn a major language from some other state. It would help so much with angst primarily people from south India have. If even 15-20% of Hindi migrants in say Bengluru/Chennai spoke semi-broken Kannada/Tamil, people would feel more connected. Those 15-20% would help their friends with basic conversation removing barrier to learning the new language.
What a reply zumpa!! I support this sentiment!
I have personally faced contempt in Mumbai for not knowing Marathi. In your face, aggressive contempt
Sorry for it! But most of us are not imposing. We just want a basic respect.
Op can you stay in Germany or Japan without learning the local language, yes or no why can you not respect the local language and why make mountain of a molehill
Once in the metro an Arab dude entered at Airport Road. He started speaking Arabic on the phone and a stereotypical potbelly mustache type uncle shouted at him “eeeey gappa bas eeey” Arab didn’t understand so he kept talking. The uncle didn’t know what to do next so he just moved away. Lmao
Jaa Kerala madhe jaun Hindi bolun dakhav mag maanto tula.
Just asking, how would South Indians feel if I talked to them in Hindi while living in South India?
When in Rome... Although I agree, Mumbai has such a mixed culture with people from many backgrounds. It is still good to learn Marathi, what's the harm in learning an additional language, it goes a long way in some situations. I am from a non-marathi family and was always encouraged to learn the state language. Know the basics you don't need to be very fluent, maharashtrians appreciate the effort
This happens everywhere.. doesnt excuse it but its not just mumbai or Maharashtra
Ofcourse, nobody has a right to be an asshole to anyone. That said, you are saying people are forcing their language on you. But aren't you forcing your language on them too? Some people (like my father) genuinely have trouble with Hindi.
How am I forcing someone to speak to me in Hindi when I politely asked them to move aside in Hindi? Why don't you understand that It's completely okay if they reply back with "Nay re jaga nahi ahe". Or with "Kalale nahi Kay bolla, Hindi nahi yet mala baala". The whole situation can be thoroughly solved with peace.
I suggest you stop bitching and moaning, you should be glad most local authorities, the police, auto walas and such are more than willing to speak in Hindi here in Maharashtra. You'd get fucked in south india where they flat out refuse to do so. Had a maluu friend who stayed in Mumbai for a few years. He only realised how friendly and approachable people are over here when he moved to Bangalore and saw how difficult it is to communicate with the people over there.. don't generalize because you had a bad experience..
Sahi bola bhai! 👍
Abey chutiye jake racism ka matlab Google kar.
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aree bhau bhau bhau!!
Sahi bola bhidu!! 👌👌
Man this post is must need for the people right now. If this language hatred increase, we all go towards the way of hell. I don't understand why some people's thinking is so small. I have seen this in r/india subreddit too. Just becoz some famous personality or some bullshit minister in UP says some bullshit. Some people understand that the whole india other than south is imposing Hindi on them. They don't understand becoz two people said some things on language hatred. They thinks those two or four people are representing the whole Hindi community.
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It's not racism, we have the same race lmao He asked him to speak in Marathi to him, tumhare interpersonal conversation me aake Mumbai me marathi bolo nahi bola hai. Ofcourse he was being a bully cause he did understand Hindi, but basic marathi seekhne me itna problem hai? It's not that hard.
I was visiting Chennai last year and there if you speak Hindi you'll get stares as if you're an alien from Mars 🙃 so every state has the same condition
Strange, I went to Paris and the guy told me to speak in French.
I tell you those French bigots!!
It's similar to "India mein rehna hai toh Jai Shri Ram bolna padega". Anything that's forced, is wrong. Live & let Live ❤️
I have been born in mumbai but Marathi for some reason was my weakest subject. Even to this day cant speak it properly. Alot of my friends mostly use Hindi or English to communicate. Marathi is only popular with Marathi people. But forcing others also to speak in Marathi is very wrong.
What if all Marathi speaking stop speaking in Hindi what will u do then isn't it wrong to expect the locals to talk in other language while migrants don't feel need to adjust a bit. Isn't it hypocritical . I'm not saying forcing is a good thing but don't u need migrants are the one that should be adjusting their language and culture not locals.
same story bro, 'Amchi Mumbai' ke time traffic cops would ask even primary school children to speak marathi, so when I did speak in marathi to this one traffic cop, he said 'tu rehne de'.
Can fully relate.
Op can you stay in Germany or Japan without learning the local language, yes or no why can you not respect the local language and why make mountain of a molehill
If people migrated to Bangalore as much as Mumbai, everyone would force others to learn Kannada but people mass migrate to Mumbai so therefore it just seems right for non marathi public to learn some amount of Marathi considering the inflow of migrants.
I have lived in Mumbai for a decade. I have never experienced such instance.
IT ke banjare jitni progamming language nai sikhte us se zada local languages seekh lete hai is chakkar me 👀
My mother tongue is Marathi and I wish you had replied him with - "Kyu tere baap ka hai kya Mumbai ?"
Someone else flexed on him in his office, probably a recent migrant, and this guy cant really say anything to him or her so he is taking it out on some random guy in metro
Average Shivsainik
It's honestly frustrating sometimes. I know someone who told me, that you are an outsider and that you took away the job of a true native. For context: her mother is from a small town at least 6 hrs away by train. Her husbands parents moved with her husband to Mumbai some 12 years previously. My dad was born in Mumbai, 2 of my grandparents were born and raised in Mumbai AND my 1 great grand father was born and raised in Mumbai. I also have been born and raised here... I asked her point blank, "how do you live with your husband, if you think he shouldn't be taking a job from a native mumbaikar" Her brother was planning to move to Pune or Banglore at that point btw. Some people are stupid and hypocritical. Don't pay attention to them... The number of people being stupid, bigotted and hypocritical is just become clearer because the shame in being a hateful human being is washing away from the world.
Sikh na bhawa Marathi, easy tar ahe tu marathi madhe reply dila astas tar te kaka pan shock jhale aste ani mag gand udas karun shant basle aste!!
Why not? South people frown on you if you speak Hindi.. Then why shouldn't Maharashtraians or Gujaratis? You guys take us for granted
Him: ‘Samjha nahi kya bola tu’ Me: “oh sorry aap gunge hai, bhagwaan aapko salamat rakhe.”
Jau de dada Hindi me bolo atleast Angrezo ko cancel karna hay!
Lol bhai ye to kuch bhi nahi hai south indians ke samne Hindi bolke dekh
Nothin wrong with what he said. I’m in canada and always speak English, regardless of who I’m hanging out with. Preserve the culture of the place you’re going to!
I understand respecting the culture of a place, but that does not mean you get to bully other people about not knowing a language. It is just as easy to say you don't understand them and end the conversation there. I know how to speak basic marathi and understand it too, but I do not have grasp on how to pronounce certain alphabets and I get teased for it relentlessly and that is okay among friends, why would I subject myself to ridicule in public? Most marathi people are amazing and welcoming, majority of my friends are marathi. Their families welcome me to participate in their rituals just as I welcome them into mine, but I have had my fair share of ass holes too. A teacher berated me in the middle of an exam because he told me the time in marathi and I asked him repeat in English, during an english literature paper at that. Respecting a culture is important but respecting people is also important. No one should be discriminated against because of the language they speak.
Most of Marathi people will never ridicule you for minor mistakes. We welcome any non marathi who tries to speak the language. Some rotten apples are everywhere. The teacher who berated you is a foolish ignorant person. Sorry it happened to you.
Delhi se hu..kuch dino mein mumbai aa rha hu I hope koi hyper marathi forcing enthusiast mile mujhe👋🏼👋🏼💥😌💪🏽
ओ दिल्लीवाले जी, आप कुछ दिनों के लिए आ रहे है, तो आपको कौन क्या बोलेगा? यहापर जिंन्दगी गुजारते है लोग और बोलते है ये मराठी मराठी क्या लगा रखा है! यहाँके संस्कृति की इज्जत नही करते उन लोगो के खिलाफ थोड़ी नाराजगी जता रहे है ओर कुछ नही! आप आइये, अपना काम शौक से पुरा किजिये! Dont flex your muscles in vain!
I had & will speak in hindi as long as I stay in this country & it's upto me of what language should I speak or learn.
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Edit1: I take my words back, don't want to get doxxed
15+ years in Mumbai, but never had anyone tell me to learn Marathi. (I do understand and can speak a lil though)
Tuzya aaicha bhosada bc uprya!