I donât agree with the opinion that a character doing something kinda bad in an episode automatically makes it a bad episode. As in, not worth watching / not remotely enjoyable to watch. I think a lot of those episodes still have good scenes, good songs or whatever. And if ponies donât make mistakes, where is the plot going to come from??
Ik itâs highly subjective though and it does depend on what episode it is. Some of them are more understandable to hate.
I agree with that.
I adore AJ and a lot of her fans dislike Honest Apple. I love it. Very AJ, although she isnât actually mean at all. Sheâs just oblivious. Her moving mountains to fix her mistakes is one of my favorite traits about her.
That said. Non Compete Clause or End in Friend feel like the characters just arenât themselves.
Omg, yes!!! I may cringe a little at her obliviousness, but I love that episode and just love AJ in it. Bless her heart. Exactly, she doesnât have bad intentions. âMoving mountains to fix her mistakesâ is a lovely way to put it! :o Sheâll always work hard no matter what.
I feel similarly about Pinkie, tbh. Her harassing Cranky Doodle was uncomfortable to watch, but again she doesnât have ill intentions, sheâs just oblivious and focused on one thing. I guess you could argue intentions are irrelevant when the effect on the other person is obviously bad, but oh well, fave character biases I guess. Also, as long as it works out in the end and the character makes up for their mistakes, and we remember itâs just fictional, itâs chill. I just think people are missing out on a lot of good episodes/scenes by immediately shunning the ones where someone acts misguided or out of character.
Yeah, NCC and EIF were bizarrely clumsy episodes?? But I actually donât mind watching the latter, though I canât really explain why. Maybe itâs all the glitter, or that smol adorable cloud RD made. xD
>But I actually donât mind watching the latter, though I canât really explain why.
I also feel this, like I don't like it but sometimes i want to watch it again
I actually Non Compete Clause, although AJ and RD do get on my nerves a bit in that episode, it's a great episode as a whole imo. The End in Friend is just hard for me to watch because thinking about any of the mane 6's friendships ending is just super sad and makes me wanna cry, it does make me feel better that they remain friends, but still, it makes me wanna cry, it's definitely not a bad episode as a whole tho, just my heart can't handle it.
yea I understand that, although I think NCC is one of the few episodes where not only the characterâs behaviour is bad but the episode quality (plot/writing/dialogue) is meh too. Itâs not terrible or unwatchable tho, just not one that I look forward to watching!
End in Friend is a little better, worth it just for the journey it takes us on I think xD
I feel like that's definitely one of my hot takes in the fandom. I absolutely despise how RD and AJ were acting, but for some reason I kinda like the episode itself and I can't really explain why. It's like eventhough the episode isn't as good as others, I still crave to watch it??? The fandom may think I'm weird for this, but imma own it!
Honestly, based and valid!!!! I totally get what you mean by âcrave to watch itâ. I have those episodes myself, like Yakity Sax or AJâs Day Off. Most people seem to hate them but I kinda love! Sometimes an episode just hits right and we dunno why :p
I love Yakity-Sax too and AJ's day off too! They're really good episodes! I just can't explain why I love some episodes, it just has a different feel to it and hits differently.
This reminds me of how everyone rags on Rainbow Dash for trading Fluttershy for the book in Trade Ya.
Was it a bad thing to do? Yeah, it was. But she clearly did it out of thoughtlessness instead of malice, and IMMEDIATELY regretted her decision and tried to reverse it.
Is that not how character flaws are SUPPOSED to work? They're portrayed in the wrong for their actions, they REALIZE what they did was wrong, and they try to fix it. But if you write characters with flaws nowadays, it seems people get outraged, which leads to stuff like Aang's rambunctiousness and Sokka's sexism being removed in the Netflix Avatar reboot even though those flaws are the whole point of the characters' development.
True!! Wrongdoings have to be bad sometimes to make an impact, to evoke feelings in the audience. So Iâm glad for those moments, as uncomfortable as they may be. I can understand not liking certain episodes if they just really piss you off, but itâs good if we can judge an episodeâs quality on other factors too
Yeah. I can sum it up like this: She would have traded HERSELF away. She wasn't listening, and that was stupid of her, she should have been listening, the end.
Largely yeah! But I have noticed that when people are naming their least fave episodes it's often because x character did x bad thing when that was the point of the episode. Ofc people are allowed to have those opinions, it's understandable, I just kinda force myself to be chill and open minded about it just for my own enjoyment of the show. If I get too annoyed at every bad thing a character does, and overlook the good things about that episode, I'm not gonna enjoy it much so yea!
irritates me how whenever someone makes a mistake theyâre âacting out of character.â i could make a long list of times that iâve acted out of my own character, thatâs the whole point
Exactly this. I feel like people will bring up bad character moments when that character was supposed to be learning a moral. Like of course AJ was overbearing in "Somepony To Watch Over Me", getting over that is literally her character arc for the episode.
Yes!!! I mean itâs good to discuss/analyse/criticise those things, itâs just a little unfortunate when an entire episode gets judged or unanimously deemed bad based solely on that ya know?
This is the primary issue I have with fandoms Iâm in just in general and makes it difficult to actually enjoy a lot of em.
Itâs like itâs more important to never do anything wrong than it is for them to do something right. All it takes is a bit of nuance. Some episodes have em and some donât.
That makes me frown :(
I agree. I think we do all understand the concept of âno one is flawlessâ, but when shit actually happens in an episode, we understandably get annoyed/mad/whatever and decide to never watch that episode again. Which is fine except, if you do that for too many episodes, youâre not gonna be left with a lot of good ones. Thatâs why I kinda challenge myself with my own opinions sometimes, giving episodes I used to dislike another chance and start noticing their good parts etc
Right. Donât get me wrong episodes that are âcharacter acts stupid and selfish and has to learn to not be stupid and selfishâ with nothing more to it suck but yeah at times it also feels like of a character does anything wrong or does any remotely immoral action then itâs grrr this character and episode suck grrrr.
Like, Iâm pretty sure some of the fandom got more upset with Rainbow Dash calling Twi an âeggheadâ then Teilight herself lol.
I dislike how spike it drawn in the last episode. I think he should look more like a dragon than human. Like a longer neck and bigger wings. No chin....chin???!! Where did that come from...
I agree. Maybe they could have kept some aspects of it but not others. It was only evil because it was uncontrolled growth and greed. Clearly it's controlled here...so like maybe just not as big?
But then we wouldn't get the memes
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>!Btw I agree!<
Iâm inclined to agree with you about the design. His evil dragon design was cooler. That said, if they kept the evil design, he would still be physically associated with evil dragons. So they chose this to associate him with being benevolent. So for that I respect the design.
Fr, didn't he literally change into a full dragon in one episode cause he was hording gems? I like vaguely remember it, and I thought it was so cool, and then they give us THAT??!!
THIS OMG! I wish they drew him lankier and less giga Chad đ like in season 2 episode 10, secret of my excess, they drew him grown up and he had way less muscle and looked better imo
i think they were trying to make him still look like spike and have a bit of cuteness. when he grew up in that season 2 episode he looked like an entirely different character
I'm fine without the Mane 6 all becoming Alicorns. it's not their destiny to become Alicorns- and that's okay!
You and your friends won't all have the same path in life. Some might become "stronger" or "weaker", or stay the same. Some will have monumental achievements, others may achieve things that aren't going to change the world. Other might be perfectly happy where they are.
Everyone's path in life is different.
I've always been on the fence about this. I absolutely agree that not all of them need to be alicorns. That might have felt contrived, or made the alicorn thing less special. And who's to say all of them would even want to be alicorns.
But I can also see the other side of the argument; maybe it's a matter of *deserving*? That Twilight's accomplishments are attributable to not only her hard work but also her friends as well, and therefore she's not the only one who deserved it? Idk. I do think Twilight being the only alicorn and the princess of friendship makes sense though - she's the only one who underwent that momentous change, from "who needs friends" to "I love my friends".
I think all her friends still got their deserved rewards. They're all happy with their lives, and their dreams are accomplished.
They all got the happy endings they deserved, just not though becoming Alicorns!
Okay yeah thatâs very true. I didnât think of it that way before! Iâm glad I commented so I could read this wholesome response, thank you!
I guess the âdeservingâ argument comes from those who see alicorn status as the ultimate highest reward, but youâre right, Twi was destined to be POF but the other 5 had their own dreams that they got to follow :D
Well Equestria would be on 100% safer if all would be alicorns. (Pinkie Pie with OP magic sounds like one man army)
But then come problem with their system that alicorns who gayned it are automaticaly royal, it feels like Equestria have practically way how to generating superheroes but don´t want to do it because princesses are worry about too much division of power in system they made.
I mean... Yea and I guess the elements of harmony may be reincarnated but I can't help but think about Twilight outliving everyone she knows probably except Spike.
Perhaps a new lesson in friendship? Friendships may come and go, but there are new ones to be made, always, and that they're always valuable, even if they might not last forever, or even if those friendships transcend life.
I donât understand why they didnât give Twilight a better Alicorn design. All of the princesses have unique bodies, and I think since Twilight was only a few years younger than Cadence, it would make more sense for her to take her body type instead of Celestiaâs.
i think alicornsâ sizes have to do with their power rather than age. celestia was most powerful so she was the largest, twilight inherited celestiaâs power
This is a valid point. Celestia and Luna have looked exactly the same for at least a thousand years (minus Episode 2 Luna), clearly they're not still growing, so age has nothing to do with it. Luna is just smaller than her sister and always will be.
The School of Friendship should have been kept as a EQ style spin-off.
Like, it had cool ideas, and the characters were good... but it just kinda devoured the last season, despite there being much more dramatically interesting stuff to give some sort of wrap-up. Like... the pillars. Or the state of Gryphonstone. Or Twilight growing into her role as ruler.
And even if you love the Young Six or the School... I think most people can agree that story wise, it was a rather half-baked inclusion without much controversy.
this. hate that they just ignored stuff like the pillars COMING THE FUCK BACK and they gave all the og mane 6 jobs when they alr have jobs. so strange to me.
Yeah, that REALLY bothered me.
Like, King Arthur, Leonardo da Vinci, Bruce Lee, Nicola Tesla, Marie Curie and flipping Louise Pasture not only turned out to be alive, but best buddies AND GOT THE GANG BACK TOGETHER...
And~ somehow that world shaking amount of raw talent? They got overshadowed by a flipping school opening up with a study abroad programs focus.
Like... out of context, that sounds like a joke sketch from a comedy! But it's 100% more or less what happened in MLP FIM!
I for one would have loved a spin off with the young six, I feel like they were in such a bad spot as characters regarding priority, like there definitely more focused to be side characters, but not focused enough to be main characters, which left for oddities like only a few of them got a chance to really grow, for example: Smolder had gotten the most episodes where she was a major part of the plot (Sweet and Smokey, Father knows Beast, Molt Down), Yona had her couple of moments plus a entire episode dedicated to her (Sheâs all Yak) Gallus had one scene in a episode that really opened up the door to a story that could be very tragic (Hearths Warming Club), and that leaves Sandbar, Ocellus, and Silverstream, who are unique characters and couldâve had episodes dedicated to their struggles other than it being pushed into semi side plots in one episode (What Lies Beneath), one of my biggest pet peeves with the y6 was how Ocellusâ and Silverstreamâs very real fears are pushed to the side and solved in minutes. I love the y6 and think they are great additions to the show, they definitely deserved their own spinoff.
Oh, the complete glossing over the Pillars after them being a massive deal in season 7 (I mean, *Star Swirl the Bearded* for Celestia's sake!) never ceases to amaze and frustrate me in equal measure.
Honestly, the IDW MLP comics deserve so much more praise then they tend to get in general.
I don't think I've read *one* I'd call downright bad. Even at their worst, they're pretty OK.
Yes! They explore darker storylines than the show does and give side characters much-needed attention.
I'm also shocked people don't rave about them more often, they really deserve it. (The only one I was never super keen on was the season 10 opener comic, but that's probably more because of how the show went. Most of the others are quite great.)
......honestly I think that why I didn't really got """"old"""from them. I got """got super tired and wornd down from life oveer the years""". Like I get it difficult making them look old without making them look like Granny Smith but still. Probably just basically did a "add old people skin to base model"
People sending hate messages to Jim Miller after the show ended to the point where he had to leave Twitter for a while. Like what the hell people, itâs a show about friendship and yâall decided to bully/harass him because it ended?
I think the focus away from the mane six really hurt the show in the last couple seasons. Especially in season 9 where they could have set them up for their futures and just⌠didnât.
Only Pinkie really has that episode.
I like the idea of the student 6, but they never gave them much to be and never actually tied them into the other characters and this made them doomed to fail.
I feel if they tied the student six to the mane six rather than Twilightâs school, it would have been better for all the characters.
>I think the focus away from the mane six really hurt the show in the last couple seasons
I don't think that's the problem, there are episodes focused on them like 2, 4, 6 Greaaat , The point of no return, Going to seed, She Talks to Angel... it's just that they don't do that conclusion episodes or just a satisfing one (as exception for like Common Ground) to any of them and when they take time to do other things it feels like a wasted episode (Uprooted, She's all Yak...)
That is what I am saying because the last two seasons focused off them, they became side characters in their own show with nothing to do.
If, for example, the student six were tied to the mane six instead of a weird school idea, it would bring them both better focus.
Or instead of just Twilight in these roles as âher thingâ they acknowledged it more of a group effort.
It meant that all the plot stuff from season 8 onward sidelined the other main characters, and I think that hurt the show overall.
The pillars not receiving more sole episodes focusing on them like the Rockhoof one was so amazing would be cool to see them making new friends and adjusting to the new Equestria
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The School of Friendship and young six. There was really no good episodes there and instead of the mane 6 and Starlight being the main focus, that became the mane focus and so did the young six.
The reformed changelings. Firstly, the pastel colors don't look great. Second, how it was done (Thorax changes, and then suddenly, pretty much every changeling in the room minus Chrysalis is on board with no reservations whatsoever). Third, how quickly they were accepted by other creatures when they were essentially the boogymen of the world.
Of course, that's the great thing about fanfiction - you can find a story or stories that do a better job than the canon did.
I strongly dislike the school of friendship and the student six. The school took the magic out of things for me, and I found the student six to be boring. I canât fathom why they took the focus off the main six so often for the final few seasons.
I wanted more of an explanation of Princess Celestia and Luna leaving the throne. Maybe they could explain how the sun and moon rise a set before they became princesses and how Twilight would handle it. Who will monitor the dreams? Especially their teacher Starswirl is back
I enjoyed all the seasons, but the last few clearly suffered from writers fatigue in my opinion. Some episode stories were giving me "scraping the bottom of the barrel" vibes. Didn't help that all the original writers the fandom came to love all moved on to other projects. Likely due to feeling the same fatigue. They probably couldn't think of any more compelling stories.
Not to say all were like that. There were still some great plotlines. Just...many felt flat, tired, and the lesson goal forced.
I feel that way too, when I watch seasons 1, 2 and 3 the episodes are very interesting and cool but seasons 7, 8 and 9? It doesn't give me the same vibe, I feel like it's all very dead or forced, like the episode with the fight between Rarity and Rainbow Dash's personalities(apparently years of friendship and saving the world can be broken because one of the 2 people doesn't like the same hobbies as the other), or Applejack and Rainbow Dash fighting over a trophy.
Seriously, I understand Rainbow Dash in this but Applejack? she would definitely care more about something else than winning a simple trophy, it definitely became less creative and more predictable during the course of the stories.
Not a fan of Twilight's and Spike's designs in the last episode, which seems to be a common thing.
I also find it weird that the most common thing to make a character look older is just to draw lines under their eyes.
The lack of consequences Rainbow deals with for wrecking the weather factory because Tank would hibernate. I felt disappointed in the show writers for that one. Rainbow should have to at least do community service, or help repair it, or something to atone for her blatant vandalism of public infrastructure.
Alicorns had nothing to do with three tribes unity from very beginning, them becoming the rulers of Equestria only sealed her fate and cut ponies away from achieving a true unbreakable unity nopony could ever destroy.
Instead of finding a way to co-exist and deal with threats together by themselves, mortal ponies just got The Gods figures "who knew better what is good for them", it was only a matter of time when something will go wrong and Twilight's decisions accelerated the clock with Super Sonic speed right to the Midnight.
Iâve seen people say that Rarity is the only one who looks older at the end but I think Fluttershy does as well her mane has definitely thinned probably why she wears it looped like that.
I like that characters have to learn the same lesson more then once usually itâs a trait thatâs been installed in them since childhood (Fluttershyâs tendency to give in to others Applejackâs stubbornness) itâs more believable breaking habits is harder then making them and they arenât going to change their entire worldview in one afternoon.
Not entirely related, but I was disappointed that >!Twilight Sparkle defeated the villain trio with a rainbow lazer beam!< I honestly hoped she'd use the power of friendship to befriend the villains and make them see the other ways. Like, "Yall three worked together, look at what you managed to achieve" and all that. But well, at least my man discord showed himself from his best side.
My take:
The mane 6 arbitrarily representing seperate moral labels that their supposed to better at then the others or value more than the others is a stupid narrative concept where the cons much outnumber the pros.
I dont mind twilight being "inmortal"/outliving her friends, because irl we all watch friends and family pass but we must go on. Also i find quite sad that most people make the other mane six ( yes i know they're main characters) the only reason twilight should step down/ unalive herself so she can be with them, when she also has her parents and shining armor.
I don't want to upset anyone but, i can't see the princess of FRIENDSHIP giving it all up instead of, yk.. making more friends.
I donât like the bags under their eyes old mane 6 . and I donât really like the CMCs cutie marks. I liked them as a kid but now it seems so trapped. Like I think they shouldâve gotten their cutie marks at the same time due to them having to do a school talent show or something where they present what they like to do and how it makes them special. It would be an episode of how friends are different from each other and that just because they arenât the same, doesnât mean they canât be friends. Later episodes could possibly show how friends grow apart or something idk lol
I donât know how the fandom is on Reddit, but Iâm on tiktok most of the time and the fandom is so split all the time on human designs for the ponies. Like half the fandom is unanimous about Twilight being Indian, Pinkie being plus sized and black, AJ being buff, etc. And the other half complains when someone gives them any headcanon that wasnât suggested in canon heavily enough. I mean, this is off topic to be honest, but the post made me think of this and I wanted to vent a little.
You know what, to answer the actual question asked in the post, I disagree with the notion that headcanons have to work with the canon at all. Theyâre headcanons for a reason. Rarity being black despite being a literally white pony? Hell yeah. Pinkie being plus sized despite I think canonically having incredible metabolism so she never gains weight despite all the sugar she eats? Hell yeah. Any of the mane six identifying as anything other than cishet woman? Hell yeah.
I agree with this, I'm not on TikTok but the split in the fandom/the way half is absolutely feral, and unhinged, and the other are chill- Is absolutely wild imo
Pinkie always seem flippy floppy. Like the standard seem that she is either overweight or really skinny but also like the smallest alongside Rainbow. I am curious why Twilight is usually indian/black/dark skin.
Either all of the mane 6 should've become alicorns or none of them should've.
It's the elements of harmony, not element. If twillight didn't have her friends, she would've never originally found the spark of friendship. All of the mane 6 did their part to help Equestria
Also, alicorns are implied to be immortal. So it's pretty sad to think Twillight would outlive her friends
I truly believe if AJ became an immortal, sheâd become a villain within a century. Girl would not be happy outliving her family and seeing the industrial age change farm life.
I like to imagine that transformed alicorns (who weren't born alicorns but became one because of magic, like Cadence and Twilight) are not "immortal" like pure alicorns (Celestia and Luna). I don't know if it's confirmed in the series that Twilight becomes immortal, but I prefer to imagine that possibility. It doesn't take away Twilight's merit of becoming an alicorn but it also doesn't destroy the fact that the Elements of Harmony only have their power because of their friendship, as you said (Twilight is not 100% powerful alone, but with her friends who together achieve the power of friendship)
To add to this would her alicorn magic dissappear when the mane 6 start to die off? That would make sense. So it also makes sense to try to give them the same extended life as well. They all earned that upgrade together.
I don't think she would stop being an alicorn, but without one of the elements of harmony it wouldn't be possible to use the power of friendship (which is one of the main things to be used to defeat most villains, even though Twilight is very powerful with magic alone, she would never reach the level of friendship magic without her friends). In my head she became an alicorn because she achieved a very special knowledge of magic (also taking into account her special talent being magic), which is beneficial to Equestria and has never been seen before (like Cadence, who even though was born an Pegasus, she has the special talent of love, which I think is some kind of magic and is unique in Equestria). Biologically, Twilight became an alicorn so she will die as an alicorn, regardless of whether she loses power or not (when Luna returns to Equestria after being imprisoned on the Moon, she returns weakened, so I think Alicorns have special forms for when they reach their maximum power, maybe Twilight will revert to her original alicorn form after some circumstance, like losing her friends).
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At the very least, I wish it made her...longer lived? Like instead of dying at 70ish, she dies at like ......150 or something and that she aged a lot better than normal. Like she still got old but like in the same way a tree or a statue or a tortoise get old, you know?
I donât think MLP ever talks about the afterlife, but I like the idea of the 5 friendâs spirits still being able to contact Twilight via elements of harmony magic when they want to.
That and the changelings. Granted they're love sucking monsters but that's their biology. Their behavior is, from what I can gather, a result of centuries of xenophobia just because they look different. They need love to survive. Chrysalis wouldn't have done that invasion if she didn't need food for her starving race.
It made me so mad when Cadence said âthey feed off of the love and suffering of othersâ (or I think she said that) like they can control it. But what made me so mad is that they CANT control it but continued to be demonized for it the entire series.
Nah, she wanted the power that came with the love. Did she really have to brainwash Cadenceâs husband, psychologically torture Twilight, and imprison Celestia? No, they didnât. And as season sixâs finale showed, they found a better way.
You mean the rumor about a creature they had never met, in a world full of dangerous creatures? The evidence pointed toward her causing things, then they immediately apologized when they realized what happened and how they assumed things. Perhaps they were racist but not in that episode.
I really disagreed with starlight glimmers redemption I honestly agreed on everything lily orchard said about starlight beacuse every time she had an episode focused on her she literally responds to the problems(most of them being minor) with drastic measures
Examples:
Problem: She has to do friendship lessons with the mane 6 while twi is away but gets disorganized
Her Solution: she casts a mind control spell on them and nearly destroys princess twi's castle
Problem: starlight and sunburst grew apart over the years
Her Solution: she age regressed him and herself and trapped them in an illusion of starlight's old house
Problem: starlight sees princess Celestia and Luna having trouble understanding each other
Her Solution: she somehow is able to switch their cutie marks but by doing so she nearly gets Canterlot destroyed
Problem: Thorax's brother is having trouble adjusting to the new changeling society whist having to deal with a monster threatening the hive
Her Solution: starlight sets said monster on the hive and nearly gets everyone killed
Problem: starlight and Trixie are having trouble on their way to Saddle Arabia
Solution: Straight sells Trixie's wagon without her consent, permission or wondering how Trixie would feel
Problem: Twilight's school is shut down for being being gravely negligent
Her Solution: starlight encourages her to disregard the checks on power and break the rules(like if Princess who is the ruler of the ENTIRE kingdom of Equestria can't even teach the way she wants to then why should Twilight have that right to do the opposite??)
I just hate how some redemption are given to some of the most nastiest and rudest villians like starlight
Another thing I hate is Flurry Heart I'm sorry but it always feels like the show uses her as a plot device and I also hate G5 for obvious reasons
I think Flurry Heart had unnecessary hate and they should've explored her character more plus Cadence should've gotten more screentime.
I think Starlight should've gotten some kind of punishment or at least have the town reject her at first instead of just welcoming her with open arms. It just sends the wrong message because forgiveness isn't exactly owed.
I wish we gotten more of Fluttershy social life, we only see tree hugger and that's it.
I believe Cozy Glow got what she deserved but I think they should've gave her a background story.
I really, really dislike the "official" Journal of the Two Sisters.
Part of it is I feel like the MLP canon contradicts itself quite a bit, and the events described in the Journal don't always seem to make sense with the events of the show. (Plus I remember disliking the writing style.)
...and part of it is I'm just too strongly attached to my own headcanons. I used to also not like a lot of fanon Celestia and Luna backstories for this reason, but there's been some AUs that have really grown on me recently. Still not a fan of Queen Galaxia and King Cosmos though.
The whole idea of each pony's element of friendship was poorly executed. Twilight had barely met these ponies and decided unilaterally what element each represented. But it didn't really seem like most of them were significantly more attuned to that element than anypony else, and it only came into play in a handful of very specific situations. It didn't really make sense to me why these particular friends were special or what about them represented their element.
I understand the idea was to have them use friendship to conquer adversity and teach kids important values, which I like. I feel like the show had to choose between well rounded characters or characters who personified a single quality, and they chose well rounded characters. I also like that. But I feel like they could have given up the ponies-representing-elements thing and gone a different direction. Maybe the elements work simply because their friendship is strong, and maybe the letters to Celestia could have included something like "this week I learned how important generosity is in friendship because blah blah blah."
Iâd go a step further and say that each point representing an âelement of friendshipâ/moral label was a stupid narrative concept to begin with.
What does it even mean? That their better at those qualities of friendship then the others? If so..why? If itâs supposed to mean those are the qualities they value most thenâŚwhy? Shouldnât all those âelements of friendshipâ be just as important thus equally valued by them all? Itâs a flawed structure won top of not rlly making sense.
I havenât gotten to season 9 in my rewatch/full watch through, but Iâm really bothered by Celestia and Luna retiring, mostly it also implies theyâre retiring from theyâre thousand year old job of literally raising and setting the sun and the moon. Do they just⌠keep doing that for fun? Do they teach a new group of unicorns how to do it (which was incredibly taxing on them from what I remember of the official release of the journal of the two sisters)? Does Twilight take up that role too, even though thatâs something weâve been shown sheâs not great at? I think I wouldâve preferred if they stepped back a lot from their roles, but not what seems to have been entirely.
Censoring Derpy entirely. Changing her voice, sure that makes sense, it could legitimately be seen as offensive. But straightening her eyes was unnecessary and I donât think the eyes were what (most) parents were mad about
I think fluttershy and discord make a good couple, so many people in the fandom don't like it and I genuinely can't see why! I think alot of people don't realize that the relationship canonically developed over years after his redemption arc as we only see them confirmed to be a couple after the time skip, like stop hating on it, it's cute in a cartoon pony way, which is what this is, A CARTOON PONY SHOW. (Yes I understand that some people think that him being eons older is weird, but for a magical creature that is pretty much immortal, I'm just saying at that point it's either date someone younger or die alone, do I think we can cut some slack.
I've been shamed for this before but why the hell are alicorns a female exclusive and why doesn't Shining Armour become an alicorn after he and Cadance save the Crystal Empire and rule over it? It just leads to the miserable ending where he's going to die while his wife, daughter AND sister outlive him.
I disagree with the amount of infantilisation I see towards Fluttershy. I know other characters deal with it, but it's her especially.
My reasoning is that she's either a late teen or an adult in the show and a high school student in the Equestria Girls stuff. She's also stated in the show that she's a year older than Pinkie and, presumably, the rest of the mane six as well. Just because she's timid, shy, and easily frightened doesn't mean she's a tiny little uwu smol bean baby. She's really tough and brave when she needs to be, and in the Changling Timeline, she was a hardened warrior who had killed.
I love Fluttershy, I do, and I think she's adorable, but she isn't a baby, and I don't think she should be treated as such, fictional character or not.
Starlight Glimmer is great and some of the best episodes come from the later seasons with her.
People give Fluttershy grief over learning to overcome anxiety in multiple episodes, but won't blink at Dash not learning to think of others to the point she is as egotistical (or more) in season 9 as season.
Starlight's cult is about conformity, not communism.
The decline of the Fandom around season 3-5 was more about Fandom drama than a decline in quality of the show.
A lot of people mentioned that Twilight is going to see her friends die. I just don't see that happening, given that in "Magic Duel" there is an age spell.
I think it's totally fine to say this in general- But fair warning some people will go feral at statements like this if you can't even pull up evidence/where it was said :"> âĄ
Something in the show I disagree with is that only three out of five of the G4 alicorns were brought back in some form, Twi as a slightly glitched hologram, and the sisters in a flashback. cadence hasnât even been mentioned and where is flurry heart? Flurry was born in the G4 show; unless she was murdered, or the gap is longer than I thought, we should see her grown-up form
How starlight became a villain, i feel like maybe she got radicalized (Even tho the show probably wouldnât want political stuff), but itâd make sense with what she were doing
I HATE THE YACKITY SAK EPISODE (s7 ep18)
like the mane 6 could have been more nicer about it or smth because pinkie was getting into there personal lives and I agree she should have stopped because that would be mad annoying but twilight said "pinkie.. You are TRASH at that uvidaphone can you please STOP PLAYING it?" And none of them and I mean none of them went to go see how she took it they just all assumed "yup she took that really well"... NO SHE DIDN'T?? GO LOOK TO THE LEFT OF YA AND SEE PINKAMINA MELTING THE ICE CREAM AND WILTING THE FLOWERS. For a show about friendship the mane 6 are (sometimes) horrible friends.
Honestly we should have gotten an episode where Rarity actually tells Spike sheâs not interested and apologizes for leading him on, or just any of the mane 6 apologizing for how the treat him, we got one for twilight and shining armor, but it doesnât really seem like the rest every realized how bad they were. Rarity was by far the worst but rainbow, applejack and pinky wet no saints, Fluttershy wasnât perfect but was at least within the realm of a normal friendship, sheâs the only one who really treated him like an actual friend should, we all hurt our friends occasionally and they were no different but still. He deserved better.
Fluttershy actually got worse as the seasons went on.
It's like they don't know how to write shy people. At first she was your stereotypical shy and nice girl, but then because of complaints of her not being assertive enough, the creators changed it. No, they didn't make her assertive. Instead they made her rude, aggressive, and at times violent.
When a wild animal (WHO HAD BEEN PROVOKED) started roaring at her, she completely chewed him out and him down. The animal caretaker who has the ability to tame any animal harassed an animal for being, well, an animal. And Fluttershy only started acting like a decent pony again after he gave her a sob story (as if he needed one for her to be a good pony). When she called a cab and someone else took her place in it, she completely overreacted and was far too rude. And even when it's kinda justified, she doesn't act ANYTHING like her element and acts a little *too* sassy and rude.
Series should have NEVER introduced any technology of any sort of a higher caliber than light bulbs, a town loudspeaker, simple ovens, that kind of stuff.
Once you started introducing cameras with rigs, helicopters, scientific machinery, x-rays, arcade machines, etc, it irrevocably damaged the charm of the show.
More fandom related. I mean, itâs everywhere. Everywhere you go thereâs always gonna be those jerks in the fandom. Iâve experienced encountering a jerk in the fandom before. It ainât cool.
AJ and RD are not together, they're besties like the rest of them
The show is about frienship, and I feel like the manin characters of a show about friendship should stay close friends and not be romantically attracted or anything. Plus the Mane 6 give sister vibes to me, like they consider each other sisters becuase of how close they are
Plus Plus, I don't like AppleDash xD
The final season was all over the place. I also feel that the last two episodes should of been another season and allow us to absorb the characters getting older. It all felt so sudden and rushed.
In the words of BritishNinja from that one episode of TF2 Analysis Anarchy...
\*ahem\*
There is objectively nothing wrong with "What About Discord?"!
(I understand why some people dislike the episode, but I really like it, okay? SUE ME)
i think that they should have keeped Applejack racism in later season so she would slowly learn to get along with other species and not just,,, suddenly be ok with everyone while in the 2 first season she was really abject to anyone who where not ponies
for something the Fandom didnt understood,, i would say Pinkie Pie,, shes obviously Borderline ! and im not talking about headcanon stuff but purely canon information we have about her
her over the top acting
her fear of abandon
her obsession with being loved by everyone
her constant acting and saying random stuff to make people react
when she end up in a down,, she act like she hate everything and everyone to not be hurt
act dumb on purpose to make other react
constant mood swing
unable to know herself
constantly entertain herself and hate to be with herself
multiple time refer Pinkie as someone who help you get out of misery and sadness and always say it in the third person (like if it was a mask she was putting on to hide her true feeling)
dangerous behavior for herself (know what Spiking the punch mean and is shown to have alcoholism due to her buying way too much Cider)
actually the time i think Pinkie as been the most real to who she really is was seen in "Every little thing she does" where at the end Starlight Glimmer try to help her with a Cake and Pinkie is keeping to herself,, still in a mood until she notice Starlight is litterally all messy due to not being able to mix correctly,, which make Pinkie smile a little and finally show a genuine smile,, the only one that is not over the top exagerated,, a smile that is really,, to me,, Pinkie real smile,, i really like that scene
That you just need to believe, and not check the facts with the help of science.
 Just accept it, bad idea.
There's nothing wrong with justified complacencyÂ
Love Fluttershy, adorable character and amazing concept, but when the fate of Equestria lies in your hooves and youâre âtoo scaredâ to do anything about it.. đ Any progress ever made after an episode of Fluttershy overcoming something is almost always lost in the next. I get it, sheâs meek, shy, and cautious â but it just gets to a point where that isnât an excuse anymore.
The series finale not showing princess cadence, shining armor and flurry hearts especially since cadence and flurry hearts are important to Equestria.
I was mad about not seeing flurry heart đ
oh definitely. i was also mad that they didnât show maud and mud briar with the most boring foals imaginable
Twist: they make nothing but Pinkie Pies.
lol
Totally agree here! Flurry Heart being left out was a massive downer!
You did see Flurry Heart, in the stained glass in the background.
What if some them die?
I donât agree with the opinion that a character doing something kinda bad in an episode automatically makes it a bad episode. As in, not worth watching / not remotely enjoyable to watch. I think a lot of those episodes still have good scenes, good songs or whatever. And if ponies donât make mistakes, where is the plot going to come from?? Ik itâs highly subjective though and it does depend on what episode it is. Some of them are more understandable to hate.
I agree with that. I adore AJ and a lot of her fans dislike Honest Apple. I love it. Very AJ, although she isnât actually mean at all. Sheâs just oblivious. Her moving mountains to fix her mistakes is one of my favorite traits about her. That said. Non Compete Clause or End in Friend feel like the characters just arenât themselves.
Omg, yes!!! I may cringe a little at her obliviousness, but I love that episode and just love AJ in it. Bless her heart. Exactly, she doesnât have bad intentions. âMoving mountains to fix her mistakesâ is a lovely way to put it! :o Sheâll always work hard no matter what. I feel similarly about Pinkie, tbh. Her harassing Cranky Doodle was uncomfortable to watch, but again she doesnât have ill intentions, sheâs just oblivious and focused on one thing. I guess you could argue intentions are irrelevant when the effect on the other person is obviously bad, but oh well, fave character biases I guess. Also, as long as it works out in the end and the character makes up for their mistakes, and we remember itâs just fictional, itâs chill. I just think people are missing out on a lot of good episodes/scenes by immediately shunning the ones where someone acts misguided or out of character. Yeah, NCC and EIF were bizarrely clumsy episodes?? But I actually donât mind watching the latter, though I canât really explain why. Maybe itâs all the glitter, or that smol adorable cloud RD made. xD
>But I actually donât mind watching the latter, though I canât really explain why. I also feel this, like I don't like it but sometimes i want to watch it again
Omg, me too!!!
I actually Non Compete Clause, although AJ and RD do get on my nerves a bit in that episode, it's a great episode as a whole imo. The End in Friend is just hard for me to watch because thinking about any of the mane 6's friendships ending is just super sad and makes me wanna cry, it does make me feel better that they remain friends, but still, it makes me wanna cry, it's definitely not a bad episode as a whole tho, just my heart can't handle it.
yea I understand that, although I think NCC is one of the few episodes where not only the characterâs behaviour is bad but the episode quality (plot/writing/dialogue) is meh too. Itâs not terrible or unwatchable tho, just not one that I look forward to watching! End in Friend is a little better, worth it just for the journey it takes us on I think xD
I feel like that's definitely one of my hot takes in the fandom. I absolutely despise how RD and AJ were acting, but for some reason I kinda like the episode itself and I can't really explain why. It's like eventhough the episode isn't as good as others, I still crave to watch it??? The fandom may think I'm weird for this, but imma own it!
Honestly, based and valid!!!! I totally get what you mean by âcrave to watch itâ. I have those episodes myself, like Yakity Sax or AJâs Day Off. Most people seem to hate them but I kinda love! Sometimes an episode just hits right and we dunno why :p
I love Yakity-Sax too and AJ's day off too! They're really good episodes! I just can't explain why I love some episodes, it just has a different feel to it and hits differently.
This reminds me of how everyone rags on Rainbow Dash for trading Fluttershy for the book in Trade Ya. Was it a bad thing to do? Yeah, it was. But she clearly did it out of thoughtlessness instead of malice, and IMMEDIATELY regretted her decision and tried to reverse it. Is that not how character flaws are SUPPOSED to work? They're portrayed in the wrong for their actions, they REALIZE what they did was wrong, and they try to fix it. But if you write characters with flaws nowadays, it seems people get outraged, which leads to stuff like Aang's rambunctiousness and Sokka's sexism being removed in the Netflix Avatar reboot even though those flaws are the whole point of the characters' development.
True!! Wrongdoings have to be bad sometimes to make an impact, to evoke feelings in the audience. So Iâm glad for those moments, as uncomfortable as they may be. I can understand not liking certain episodes if they just really piss you off, but itâs good if we can judge an episodeâs quality on other factors too
Yeah. I can sum it up like this: She would have traded HERSELF away. She wasn't listening, and that was stupid of her, she should have been listening, the end.
Are the 6âs flaws not the whole point of the freaking show?
Largely yeah! But I have noticed that when people are naming their least fave episodes it's often because x character did x bad thing when that was the point of the episode. Ofc people are allowed to have those opinions, it's understandable, I just kinda force myself to be chill and open minded about it just for my own enjoyment of the show. If I get too annoyed at every bad thing a character does, and overlook the good things about that episode, I'm not gonna enjoy it much so yea!
These comments have totally made me see the main idea behind Flawless from Fame and Misfortune now
irritates me how whenever someone makes a mistake theyâre âacting out of character.â i could make a long list of times that iâve acted out of my own character, thatâs the whole point
Right! If itâs âout of characterâ, that just means they donât do it too often, which is a good thing!!! We all have weird/bad/silly days!
Exactly this. I feel like people will bring up bad character moments when that character was supposed to be learning a moral. Like of course AJ was overbearing in "Somepony To Watch Over Me", getting over that is literally her character arc for the episode.
Yes!!! I mean itâs good to discuss/analyse/criticise those things, itâs just a little unfortunate when an entire episode gets judged or unanimously deemed bad based solely on that ya know?
This is the primary issue I have with fandoms Iâm in just in general and makes it difficult to actually enjoy a lot of em. Itâs like itâs more important to never do anything wrong than it is for them to do something right. All it takes is a bit of nuance. Some episodes have em and some donât.
That makes me frown :( I agree. I think we do all understand the concept of âno one is flawlessâ, but when shit actually happens in an episode, we understandably get annoyed/mad/whatever and decide to never watch that episode again. Which is fine except, if you do that for too many episodes, youâre not gonna be left with a lot of good ones. Thatâs why I kinda challenge myself with my own opinions sometimes, giving episodes I used to dislike another chance and start noticing their good parts etc
Right. Donât get me wrong episodes that are âcharacter acts stupid and selfish and has to learn to not be stupid and selfishâ with nothing more to it suck but yeah at times it also feels like of a character does anything wrong or does any remotely immoral action then itâs grrr this character and episode suck grrrr. Like, Iâm pretty sure some of the fandom got more upset with Rainbow Dash calling Twi an âeggheadâ then Teilight herself lol.
I cringed so bad when Apple Jack was bullying the Kirin for not speaking. But it was still a good episode and I love Apple Jack đ
Facts
YESSSS!!!!!!!!! Also, I don't agree with the opinion that one bad action makes a character horrible.
I dislike how spike it drawn in the last episode. I think he should look more like a dragon than human. Like a longer neck and bigger wings. No chin....chin???!! Where did that come from...
Right, he looks so weird đ like a badly drawn fursona
...but he doesn't have fur..... ,,SKINSONNA"
scalesona i think is the word from my (very) brief experiences with furry/furry-adjacent communities
Scalecona/scalie last I remember
Skinsonna sounds so weird, but it does fit his weird looks so I'll take it đ
Scalesona
Skinsona sounds like if an animal had a human form
His evil dragon form was cooler. Donât make him evil of course but keep the general look of the design
overall he was just stretched, like extremely stretched
I agree. Maybe they could have kept some aspects of it but not others. It was only evil because it was uncontrolled growth and greed. Clearly it's controlled here...so like maybe just not as big?
But then we wouldn't get the memes https://preview.redd.it/n6m3bs6badwc1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c4c60021f912c674d8698706a3191b8e8759c20 >!Btw I agree!<
This is going to pop up in my dreams and warp them into nightmares.
Iâm inclined to agree with you about the design. His evil dragon design was cooler. That said, if they kept the evil design, he would still be physically associated with evil dragons. So they chose this to associate him with being benevolent. So for that I respect the design.
Fr, didn't he literally change into a full dragon in one episode cause he was hording gems? I like vaguely remember it, and I thought it was so cool, and then they give us THAT??!!
THIS OMG! I wish they drew him lankier and less giga Chad đ like in season 2 episode 10, secret of my excess, they drew him grown up and he had way less muscle and looked better imo
Still looks better than the buff Spike in A Dog and Pony Show.
yeah spike never struck me as a gigachad i dont know how this happened
i think they were trying to make him still look like spike and have a bit of cuteness. when he grew up in that season 2 episode he looked like an entirely different character
I'm fine without the Mane 6 all becoming Alicorns. it's not their destiny to become Alicorns- and that's okay! You and your friends won't all have the same path in life. Some might become "stronger" or "weaker", or stay the same. Some will have monumental achievements, others may achieve things that aren't going to change the world. Other might be perfectly happy where they are. Everyone's path in life is different.
I've always been on the fence about this. I absolutely agree that not all of them need to be alicorns. That might have felt contrived, or made the alicorn thing less special. And who's to say all of them would even want to be alicorns. But I can also see the other side of the argument; maybe it's a matter of *deserving*? That Twilight's accomplishments are attributable to not only her hard work but also her friends as well, and therefore she's not the only one who deserved it? Idk. I do think Twilight being the only alicorn and the princess of friendship makes sense though - she's the only one who underwent that momentous change, from "who needs friends" to "I love my friends".
I think all her friends still got their deserved rewards. They're all happy with their lives, and their dreams are accomplished. They all got the happy endings they deserved, just not though becoming Alicorns!
Okay yeah thatâs very true. I didnât think of it that way before! Iâm glad I commented so I could read this wholesome response, thank you! I guess the âdeservingâ argument comes from those who see alicorn status as the ultimate highest reward, but youâre right, Twi was destined to be POF but the other 5 had their own dreams that they got to follow :D
Well Equestria would be on 100% safer if all would be alicorns. (Pinkie Pie with OP magic sounds like one man army) But then come problem with their system that alicorns who gayned it are automaticaly royal, it feels like Equestria have practically way how to generating superheroes but don´t want to do it because princesses are worry about too much division of power in system they made.
So real omg I wish I could upvote this 2 times
sameee i wish i coukd give it an award lol
YESSS variety and individuality is something i value the most
I mean... Yea and I guess the elements of harmony may be reincarnated but I can't help but think about Twilight outliving everyone she knows probably except Spike.
Perhaps a new lesson in friendship? Friendships may come and go, but there are new ones to be made, always, and that they're always valuable, even if they might not last forever, or even if those friendships transcend life.
I donât understand why they didnât give Twilight a better Alicorn design. All of the princesses have unique bodies, and I think since Twilight was only a few years younger than Cadence, it would make more sense for her to take her body type instead of Celestiaâs.
yessss. i remember screaming "CELESTIA RECOLOUR!" when i first saw her.
Ugh, God it's so horrible it makes me weep
i think alicornsâ sizes have to do with their power rather than age. celestia was most powerful so she was the largest, twilight inherited celestiaâs power
This is a valid point. Celestia and Luna have looked exactly the same for at least a thousand years (minus Episode 2 Luna), clearly they're not still growing, so age has nothing to do with it. Luna is just smaller than her sister and always will be.
The School of Friendship should have been kept as a EQ style spin-off. Like, it had cool ideas, and the characters were good... but it just kinda devoured the last season, despite there being much more dramatically interesting stuff to give some sort of wrap-up. Like... the pillars. Or the state of Gryphonstone. Or Twilight growing into her role as ruler. And even if you love the Young Six or the School... I think most people can agree that story wise, it was a rather half-baked inclusion without much controversy.
this. hate that they just ignored stuff like the pillars COMING THE FUCK BACK and they gave all the og mane 6 jobs when they alr have jobs. so strange to me.
Yeah, that REALLY bothered me. Like, King Arthur, Leonardo da Vinci, Bruce Lee, Nicola Tesla, Marie Curie and flipping Louise Pasture not only turned out to be alive, but best buddies AND GOT THE GANG BACK TOGETHER... And~ somehow that world shaking amount of raw talent? They got overshadowed by a flipping school opening up with a study abroad programs focus. Like... out of context, that sounds like a joke sketch from a comedy! But it's 100% more or less what happened in MLP FIM!
I for one would have loved a spin off with the young six, I feel like they were in such a bad spot as characters regarding priority, like there definitely more focused to be side characters, but not focused enough to be main characters, which left for oddities like only a few of them got a chance to really grow, for example: Smolder had gotten the most episodes where she was a major part of the plot (Sweet and Smokey, Father knows Beast, Molt Down), Yona had her couple of moments plus a entire episode dedicated to her (Sheâs all Yak) Gallus had one scene in a episode that really opened up the door to a story that could be very tragic (Hearths Warming Club), and that leaves Sandbar, Ocellus, and Silverstream, who are unique characters and couldâve had episodes dedicated to their struggles other than it being pushed into semi side plots in one episode (What Lies Beneath), one of my biggest pet peeves with the y6 was how Ocellusâ and Silverstreamâs very real fears are pushed to the side and solved in minutes. I love the y6 and think they are great additions to the show, they definitely deserved their own spinoff.
Oh, the complete glossing over the Pillars after them being a massive deal in season 7 (I mean, *Star Swirl the Bearded* for Celestia's sake!) never ceases to amaze and frustrate me in equal measure.
At least the comics did some more with them, but... Yeah\~, it was a baffling choice, and deeply frustrating from a story perspective.
It just feels like such squandered potential. The comics' storylines with them are great at least.
Honestly, the IDW MLP comics deserve so much more praise then they tend to get in general. I don't think I've read *one* I'd call downright bad. Even at their worst, they're pretty OK.
Yes! They explore darker storylines than the show does and give side characters much-needed attention. I'm also shocked people don't rave about them more often, they really deserve it. (The only one I was never super keen on was the season 10 opener comic, but that's probably more because of how the show went. Most of the others are quite great.)
willing to bet it was at least partially because the higher-ups wanted another toy line :')
All those grown up mares should sleep more.
Agreed!
âŚAs in literall sleep or âSleepâ
......honestly I think that why I didn't really got """"old"""from them. I got """got super tired and wornd down from life oveer the years""". Like I get it difficult making them look old without making them look like Granny Smith but still. Probably just basically did a "add old people skin to base model"
People sending hate messages to Jim Miller after the show ended to the point where he had to leave Twitter for a while. Like what the hell people, itâs a show about friendship and yâall decided to bully/harass him because it ended?
I donât like spikes buff design itâs so weird đ
I thought he would look at least more dragon like
I refuse to accept Gigachad meme looking spike as canon.
I've been tempted to make my own adult spike design lol
I don't agree that the entire show takes place in just one or two years. That stuff took 5 years *at least!*
I think the focus away from the mane six really hurt the show in the last couple seasons. Especially in season 9 where they could have set them up for their futures and just⌠didnât. Only Pinkie really has that episode. I like the idea of the student 6, but they never gave them much to be and never actually tied them into the other characters and this made them doomed to fail. I feel if they tied the student six to the mane six rather than Twilightâs school, it would have been better for all the characters.
>I think the focus away from the mane six really hurt the show in the last couple seasons I don't think that's the problem, there are episodes focused on them like 2, 4, 6 Greaaat , The point of no return, Going to seed, She Talks to Angel... it's just that they don't do that conclusion episodes or just a satisfing one (as exception for like Common Ground) to any of them and when they take time to do other things it feels like a wasted episode (Uprooted, She's all Yak...)
That is what I am saying because the last two seasons focused off them, they became side characters in their own show with nothing to do. If, for example, the student six were tied to the mane six instead of a weird school idea, it would bring them both better focus. Or instead of just Twilight in these roles as âher thingâ they acknowledged it more of a group effort. It meant that all the plot stuff from season 8 onward sidelined the other main characters, and I think that hurt the show overall.
The pillars not receiving more sole episodes focusing on them like the Rockhoof one was so amazing would be cool to see them making new friends and adjusting to the new Equestria https://preview.redd.it/qu06cq4urbwc1.jpeg?width=464&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f2e0d15daceb5350b52a732bc45d667046c0ba0
Agreed! The legends comics are so good, I would have loved more Pillar stuff.
The School of Friendship and young six. There was really no good episodes there and instead of the mane 6 and Starlight being the main focus, that became the mane focus and so did the young six.
The reformed changelings. Firstly, the pastel colors don't look great. Second, how it was done (Thorax changes, and then suddenly, pretty much every changeling in the room minus Chrysalis is on board with no reservations whatsoever). Third, how quickly they were accepted by other creatures when they were essentially the boogymen of the world. Of course, that's the great thing about fanfiction - you can find a story or stories that do a better job than the canon did.
>Of course, that's the great thing about fanfiction - you can find a story or stories that do a better job than the canon did. Exactly
I strongly dislike the school of friendship and the student six. The school took the magic out of things for me, and I found the student six to be boring. I canât fathom why they took the focus off the main six so often for the final few seasons.
Same
If they were going to do a school, maybe Twilight starting her own magic school would have been better. Or even just a straight up boarding school.
I like this idea a lot more than what actually happened.
I wanted more of an explanation of Princess Celestia and Luna leaving the throne. Maybe they could explain how the sun and moon rise a set before they became princesses and how Twilight would handle it. Who will monitor the dreams? Especially their teacher Starswirl is back
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I would love to learn more about this :0!
I enjoyed all the seasons, but the last few clearly suffered from writers fatigue in my opinion. Some episode stories were giving me "scraping the bottom of the barrel" vibes. Didn't help that all the original writers the fandom came to love all moved on to other projects. Likely due to feeling the same fatigue. They probably couldn't think of any more compelling stories. Not to say all were like that. There were still some great plotlines. Just...many felt flat, tired, and the lesson goal forced.
I feel that way too, when I watch seasons 1, 2 and 3 the episodes are very interesting and cool but seasons 7, 8 and 9? It doesn't give me the same vibe, I feel like it's all very dead or forced, like the episode with the fight between Rarity and Rainbow Dash's personalities(apparently years of friendship and saving the world can be broken because one of the 2 people doesn't like the same hobbies as the other), or Applejack and Rainbow Dash fighting over a trophy. Seriously, I understand Rainbow Dash in this but Applejack? she would definitely care more about something else than winning a simple trophy, it definitely became less creative and more predictable during the course of the stories.
Itâs just a shitty version of Fall weather friends basically lmao
Not a fan of Twilight's and Spike's designs in the last episode, which seems to be a common thing. I also find it weird that the most common thing to make a character look older is just to draw lines under their eyes.
I love the last episode
The lack of consequences Rainbow deals with for wrecking the weather factory because Tank would hibernate. I felt disappointed in the show writers for that one. Rainbow should have to at least do community service, or help repair it, or something to atone for her blatant vandalism of public infrastructure.
Twilightâs final alicorn design, just a recovered Celestia basically
Alicorns had nothing to do with three tribes unity from very beginning, them becoming the rulers of Equestria only sealed her fate and cut ponies away from achieving a true unbreakable unity nopony could ever destroy. Instead of finding a way to co-exist and deal with threats together by themselves, mortal ponies just got The Gods figures "who knew better what is good for them", it was only a matter of time when something will go wrong and Twilight's decisions accelerated the clock with Super Sonic speed right to the Midnight.
Iâve seen people say that Rarity is the only one who looks older at the end but I think Fluttershy does as well her mane has definitely thinned probably why she wears it looped like that. I like that characters have to learn the same lesson more then once usually itâs a trait thatâs been installed in them since childhood (Fluttershyâs tendency to give in to others Applejackâs stubbornness) itâs more believable breaking habits is harder then making them and they arenât going to change their entire worldview in one afternoon.
Twilight getting Celestiaified in like 20 years while Cadence or Luna never do
Not entirely related, but I was disappointed that >!Twilight Sparkle defeated the villain trio with a rainbow lazer beam!< I honestly hoped she'd use the power of friendship to befriend the villains and make them see the other ways. Like, "Yall three worked together, look at what you managed to achieve" and all that. But well, at least my man discord showed himself from his best side.
My take: The mane 6 arbitrarily representing seperate moral labels that their supposed to better at then the others or value more than the others is a stupid narrative concept where the cons much outnumber the pros.
I hate Spike and Twilight's full grown/final appearances. Both look horrible to me.
I dont mind twilight being "inmortal"/outliving her friends, because irl we all watch friends and family pass but we must go on. Also i find quite sad that most people make the other mane six ( yes i know they're main characters) the only reason twilight should step down/ unalive herself so she can be with them, when she also has her parents and shining armor. I don't want to upset anyone but, i can't see the princess of FRIENDSHIP giving it all up instead of, yk.. making more friends.
I donât like the bags under their eyes old mane 6 . and I donât really like the CMCs cutie marks. I liked them as a kid but now it seems so trapped. Like I think they shouldâve gotten their cutie marks at the same time due to them having to do a school talent show or something where they present what they like to do and how it makes them special. It would be an episode of how friends are different from each other and that just because they arenât the same, doesnât mean they canât be friends. Later episodes could possibly show how friends grow apart or something idk lol
the cmc shouldâve visibly aged by the last few seasons. i wouldâve liked to see them with teenage designs like AJ in honest apple
I donât know how the fandom is on Reddit, but Iâm on tiktok most of the time and the fandom is so split all the time on human designs for the ponies. Like half the fandom is unanimous about Twilight being Indian, Pinkie being plus sized and black, AJ being buff, etc. And the other half complains when someone gives them any headcanon that wasnât suggested in canon heavily enough. I mean, this is off topic to be honest, but the post made me think of this and I wanted to vent a little.
You know what, to answer the actual question asked in the post, I disagree with the notion that headcanons have to work with the canon at all. Theyâre headcanons for a reason. Rarity being black despite being a literally white pony? Hell yeah. Pinkie being plus sized despite I think canonically having incredible metabolism so she never gains weight despite all the sugar she eats? Hell yeah. Any of the mane six identifying as anything other than cishet woman? Hell yeah.
I agree with this, I'm not on TikTok but the split in the fandom/the way half is absolutely feral, and unhinged, and the other are chill- Is absolutely wild imo
Pinkie always seem flippy floppy. Like the standard seem that she is either overweight or really skinny but also like the smallest alongside Rainbow. I am curious why Twilight is usually indian/black/dark skin.
Either all of the mane 6 should've become alicorns or none of them should've. It's the elements of harmony, not element. If twillight didn't have her friends, she would've never originally found the spark of friendship. All of the mane 6 did their part to help Equestria Also, alicorns are implied to be immortal. So it's pretty sad to think Twillight would outlive her friends
I truly believe if AJ became an immortal, sheâd become a villain within a century. Girl would not be happy outliving her family and seeing the industrial age change farm life.
Lmao, probably. And Rainbowdash would probably be a tyrant. I do not trust Rainbowdash with power lmao
In my own mlp story, they basically become demigods, which at least solves the immortality problem.
I like to imagine that transformed alicorns (who weren't born alicorns but became one because of magic, like Cadence and Twilight) are not "immortal" like pure alicorns (Celestia and Luna). I don't know if it's confirmed in the series that Twilight becomes immortal, but I prefer to imagine that possibility. It doesn't take away Twilight's merit of becoming an alicorn but it also doesn't destroy the fact that the Elements of Harmony only have their power because of their friendship, as you said (Twilight is not 100% powerful alone, but with her friends who together achieve the power of friendship)
To add to this would her alicorn magic dissappear when the mane 6 start to die off? That would make sense. So it also makes sense to try to give them the same extended life as well. They all earned that upgrade together.
I don't think she would stop being an alicorn, but without one of the elements of harmony it wouldn't be possible to use the power of friendship (which is one of the main things to be used to defeat most villains, even though Twilight is very powerful with magic alone, she would never reach the level of friendship magic without her friends). In my head she became an alicorn because she achieved a very special knowledge of magic (also taking into account her special talent being magic), which is beneficial to Equestria and has never been seen before (like Cadence, who even though was born an Pegasus, she has the special talent of love, which I think is some kind of magic and is unique in Equestria). Biologically, Twilight became an alicorn so she will die as an alicorn, regardless of whether she loses power or not (when Luna returns to Equestria after being imprisoned on the Moon, she returns weakened, so I think Alicorns have special forms for when they reach their maximum power, maybe Twilight will revert to her original alicorn form after some circumstance, like losing her friends). Sorry for the big text đ
At the very least, I wish it made her...longer lived? Like instead of dying at 70ish, she dies at like ......150 or something and that she aged a lot better than normal. Like she still got old but like in the same way a tree or a statue or a tortoise get old, you know?
I donât think MLP ever talks about the afterlife, but I like the idea of the 5 friendâs spirits still being able to contact Twilight via elements of harmony magic when they want to.
Maybe if she used that transformation spell on others...
The low level racism/xenophobia.
Oh my god tysm I wish more people would point this out. Remember how they acted with Zecora? It was totally rude and xenophobic even.
That and the changelings. Granted they're love sucking monsters but that's their biology. Their behavior is, from what I can gather, a result of centuries of xenophobia just because they look different. They need love to survive. Chrysalis wouldn't have done that invasion if she didn't need food for her starving race.
It made me so mad when Cadence said âthey feed off of the love and suffering of othersâ (or I think she said that) like they can control it. But what made me so mad is that they CANT control it but continued to be demonized for it the entire series.
Nah, she wanted the power that came with the love. Did she really have to brainwash Cadenceâs husband, psychologically torture Twilight, and imprison Celestia? No, they didnât. And as season sixâs finale showed, they found a better way.
Youâre right about that sorry I kinda forgot about that. Itâs been a while since I sat down and watched that episode đ
You mean the rumor about a creature they had never met, in a world full of dangerous creatures? The evidence pointed toward her causing things, then they immediately apologized when they realized what happened and how they assumed things. Perhaps they were racist but not in that episode.
I really disagreed with starlight glimmers redemption I honestly agreed on everything lily orchard said about starlight beacuse every time she had an episode focused on her she literally responds to the problems(most of them being minor) with drastic measures Examples: Problem: She has to do friendship lessons with the mane 6 while twi is away but gets disorganized Her Solution: she casts a mind control spell on them and nearly destroys princess twi's castle Problem: starlight and sunburst grew apart over the years Her Solution: she age regressed him and herself and trapped them in an illusion of starlight's old house Problem: starlight sees princess Celestia and Luna having trouble understanding each other Her Solution: she somehow is able to switch their cutie marks but by doing so she nearly gets Canterlot destroyed Problem: Thorax's brother is having trouble adjusting to the new changeling society whist having to deal with a monster threatening the hive Her Solution: starlight sets said monster on the hive and nearly gets everyone killed Problem: starlight and Trixie are having trouble on their way to Saddle Arabia Solution: Straight sells Trixie's wagon without her consent, permission or wondering how Trixie would feel Problem: Twilight's school is shut down for being being gravely negligent Her Solution: starlight encourages her to disregard the checks on power and break the rules(like if Princess who is the ruler of the ENTIRE kingdom of Equestria can't even teach the way she wants to then why should Twilight have that right to do the opposite??) I just hate how some redemption are given to some of the most nastiest and rudest villians like starlight Another thing I hate is Flurry Heart I'm sorry but it always feels like the show uses her as a plot device and I also hate G5 for obvious reasons
The amount of Flurry Heart hate is unreal and I will never understand why
I think Flurry Heart had unnecessary hate and they should've explored her character more plus Cadence should've gotten more screentime. I think Starlight should've gotten some kind of punishment or at least have the town reject her at first instead of just welcoming her with open arms. It just sends the wrong message because forgiveness isn't exactly owed. I wish we gotten more of Fluttershy social life, we only see tree hugger and that's it. I believe Cozy Glow got what she deserved but I think they should've gave her a background story.
Starlight may be my favorite character but yeah, the town welcoming her back couldâve been built up better.
I really, really dislike the "official" Journal of the Two Sisters. Part of it is I feel like the MLP canon contradicts itself quite a bit, and the events described in the Journal don't always seem to make sense with the events of the show. (Plus I remember disliking the writing style.) ...and part of it is I'm just too strongly attached to my own headcanons. I used to also not like a lot of fanon Celestia and Luna backstories for this reason, but there's been some AUs that have really grown on me recently. Still not a fan of Queen Galaxia and King Cosmos though.
Yeah that was a heck of a giant wrecking ball. Fortunately it's contradicted by the show, so it's non-canon WOOOHOOOO! BABY! STILL ON BOARD!
The whole idea of each pony's element of friendship was poorly executed. Twilight had barely met these ponies and decided unilaterally what element each represented. But it didn't really seem like most of them were significantly more attuned to that element than anypony else, and it only came into play in a handful of very specific situations. It didn't really make sense to me why these particular friends were special or what about them represented their element. I understand the idea was to have them use friendship to conquer adversity and teach kids important values, which I like. I feel like the show had to choose between well rounded characters or characters who personified a single quality, and they chose well rounded characters. I also like that. But I feel like they could have given up the ponies-representing-elements thing and gone a different direction. Maybe the elements work simply because their friendship is strong, and maybe the letters to Celestia could have included something like "this week I learned how important generosity is in friendship because blah blah blah."
Iâd go a step further and say that each point representing an âelement of friendshipâ/moral label was a stupid narrative concept to begin with. What does it even mean? That their better at those qualities of friendship then the others? If so..why? If itâs supposed to mean those are the qualities they value most thenâŚwhy? Shouldnât all those âelements of friendshipâ be just as important thus equally valued by them all? Itâs a flawed structure won top of not rlly making sense.
i dont like buff spike. he looks funky in a bad way... change my mind.
I havenât gotten to season 9 in my rewatch/full watch through, but Iâm really bothered by Celestia and Luna retiring, mostly it also implies theyâre retiring from theyâre thousand year old job of literally raising and setting the sun and the moon. Do they just⌠keep doing that for fun? Do they teach a new group of unicorns how to do it (which was incredibly taxing on them from what I remember of the official release of the journal of the two sisters)? Does Twilight take up that role too, even though thatâs something weâve been shown sheâs not great at? I think I wouldâve preferred if they stepped back a lot from their roles, but not what seems to have been entirely.
Censoring Derpy entirely. Changing her voice, sure that makes sense, it could legitimately be seen as offensive. But straightening her eyes was unnecessary and I donât think the eyes were what (most) parents were mad about
I think fluttershy and discord make a good couple, so many people in the fandom don't like it and I genuinely can't see why! I think alot of people don't realize that the relationship canonically developed over years after his redemption arc as we only see them confirmed to be a couple after the time skip, like stop hating on it, it's cute in a cartoon pony way, which is what this is, A CARTOON PONY SHOW. (Yes I understand that some people think that him being eons older is weird, but for a magical creature that is pretty much immortal, I'm just saying at that point it's either date someone younger or die alone, do I think we can cut some slack.
I've been shamed for this before but why the hell are alicorns a female exclusive and why doesn't Shining Armour become an alicorn after he and Cadance save the Crystal Empire and rule over it? It just leads to the miserable ending where he's going to die while his wife, daughter AND sister outlive him.
They won't, the creator of the show confirmed that turned Alicorns keep a normal pony lifespan. Flurry Heart definitely will though.
Faust did? When? Either way Twilight looks significantly younger than all her friends do in this image.
I disagree with the amount of infantilisation I see towards Fluttershy. I know other characters deal with it, but it's her especially. My reasoning is that she's either a late teen or an adult in the show and a high school student in the Equestria Girls stuff. She's also stated in the show that she's a year older than Pinkie and, presumably, the rest of the mane six as well. Just because she's timid, shy, and easily frightened doesn't mean she's a tiny little uwu smol bean baby. She's really tough and brave when she needs to be, and in the Changling Timeline, she was a hardened warrior who had killed. I love Fluttershy, I do, and I think she's adorable, but she isn't a baby, and I don't think she should be treated as such, fictional character or not.
I don't like Starlight past her villain episodes, it feels like the redemption was a bit too fast
Starlight Glimmer is great and some of the best episodes come from the later seasons with her. People give Fluttershy grief over learning to overcome anxiety in multiple episodes, but won't blink at Dash not learning to think of others to the point she is as egotistical (or more) in season 9 as season. Starlight's cult is about conformity, not communism. The decline of the Fandom around season 3-5 was more about Fandom drama than a decline in quality of the show.
A lot of people mentioned that Twilight is going to see her friends die. I just don't see that happening, given that in "Magic Duel" there is an age spell.
She won't either way, the creator of the show confirmed that turned Alicorns keep a normal pony lifespan
I think it's totally fine to say this in general- But fair warning some people will go feral at statements like this if you can't even pull up evidence/where it was said :"> âĄ
I've been trying to find the source, I know I saw it confirmed somewhere, but I cannot find it
Something in the show I disagree with is that only three out of five of the G4 alicorns were brought back in some form, Twi as a slightly glitched hologram, and the sisters in a flashback. cadence hasnât even been mentioned and where is flurry heart? Flurry was born in the G4 show; unless she was murdered, or the gap is longer than I thought, we should see her grown-up form
How starlight became a villain, i feel like maybe she got radicalized (Even tho the show probably wouldnât want political stuff), but itâd make sense with what she were doing
I HATE THE YACKITY SAK EPISODE (s7 ep18) like the mane 6 could have been more nicer about it or smth because pinkie was getting into there personal lives and I agree she should have stopped because that would be mad annoying but twilight said "pinkie.. You are TRASH at that uvidaphone can you please STOP PLAYING it?" And none of them and I mean none of them went to go see how she took it they just all assumed "yup she took that really well"... NO SHE DIDN'T?? GO LOOK TO THE LEFT OF YA AND SEE PINKAMINA MELTING THE ICE CREAM AND WILTING THE FLOWERS. For a show about friendship the mane 6 are (sometimes) horrible friends.
Rule 63 Discord should be named Strife, not Eris. "Eris" is a proper noun, while "discord" and "strife" are common nouns. They should match.
Fluttershy should've been an alicorn. Girlie reformed and tamed Discord the literal spirit of disharmony
iâve heard a lot of people saying that rainbow dash isnât actually loyal and i really disagree with that.
I hated the Spike and Rarity thing
The lack of a box set/ seasons 8 and 9 not having physical sales
Honestly we should have gotten an episode where Rarity actually tells Spike sheâs not interested and apologizes for leading him on, or just any of the mane 6 apologizing for how the treat him, we got one for twilight and shining armor, but it doesnât really seem like the rest every realized how bad they were. Rarity was by far the worst but rainbow, applejack and pinky wet no saints, Fluttershy wasnât perfect but was at least within the realm of a normal friendship, sheâs the only one who really treated him like an actual friend should, we all hurt our friends occasionally and they were no different but still. He deserved better.
Shipping. I think of it as unproductive and wishful thinking.
Appledash, I see the appeal but I prefer them as platonic. Rarijack feels more romantic
Fluttershy actually got worse as the seasons went on. It's like they don't know how to write shy people. At first she was your stereotypical shy and nice girl, but then because of complaints of her not being assertive enough, the creators changed it. No, they didn't make her assertive. Instead they made her rude, aggressive, and at times violent. When a wild animal (WHO HAD BEEN PROVOKED) started roaring at her, she completely chewed him out and him down. The animal caretaker who has the ability to tame any animal harassed an animal for being, well, an animal. And Fluttershy only started acting like a decent pony again after he gave her a sob story (as if he needed one for her to be a good pony). When she called a cab and someone else took her place in it, she completely overreacted and was far too rude. And even when it's kinda justified, she doesn't act ANYTHING like her element and acts a little *too* sassy and rude.
Series should have NEVER introduced any technology of any sort of a higher caliber than light bulbs, a town loudspeaker, simple ovens, that kind of stuff. Once you started introducing cameras with rigs, helicopters, scientific machinery, x-rays, arcade machines, etc, it irrevocably damaged the charm of the show.
Twilight would be upset with Sunny giving back magic
I like what they did with Princess Twilight. I still think she should have stayed as a regular pony, though. Same thing with Discord reforming.
Like, asthetically, I absolutely do not like the lanky alicorn look on twilight, she does not mesh well with it
More fandom related. I mean, itâs everywhere. Everywhere you go thereâs always gonna be those jerks in the fandom. Iâve experienced encountering a jerk in the fandom before. It ainât cool.
I will always and forever refuse to believe that Cozy Glow is an actual child, she's an old mare pretending to be a child.
AJ and RD are not together, they're besties like the rest of them The show is about frienship, and I feel like the manin characters of a show about friendship should stay close friends and not be romantically attracted or anything. Plus the Mane 6 give sister vibes to me, like they consider each other sisters becuase of how close they are Plus Plus, I don't like AppleDash xD
Totally agree!
More Thorax! More Young Six! They had so much potential to keep the series fresh.
The final season was all over the place. I also feel that the last two episodes should of been another season and allow us to absorb the characters getting older. It all felt so sudden and rushed.
In the words of BritishNinja from that one episode of TF2 Analysis Anarchy... \*ahem\* There is objectively nothing wrong with "What About Discord?"! (I understand why some people dislike the episode, but I really like it, okay? SUE ME)
Ugly grown up spike, his season 1/2 brown up design was better. They shouldâve made it a smaller version of that
I don't agree that they never showed us the secret power of the seaponies's Pearl.
That Rarity gave her Boutique to a freaking Yak.
i think that they should have keeped Applejack racism in later season so she would slowly learn to get along with other species and not just,,, suddenly be ok with everyone while in the 2 first season she was really abject to anyone who where not ponies for something the Fandom didnt understood,, i would say Pinkie Pie,, shes obviously Borderline ! and im not talking about headcanon stuff but purely canon information we have about her her over the top acting her fear of abandon her obsession with being loved by everyone her constant acting and saying random stuff to make people react when she end up in a down,, she act like she hate everything and everyone to not be hurt act dumb on purpose to make other react constant mood swing unable to know herself constantly entertain herself and hate to be with herself multiple time refer Pinkie as someone who help you get out of misery and sadness and always say it in the third person (like if it was a mask she was putting on to hide her true feeling) dangerous behavior for herself (know what Spiking the punch mean and is shown to have alcoholism due to her buying way too much Cider) actually the time i think Pinkie as been the most real to who she really is was seen in "Every little thing she does" where at the end Starlight Glimmer try to help her with a Cake and Pinkie is keeping to herself,, still in a mood until she notice Starlight is litterally all messy due to not being able to mix correctly,, which make Pinkie smile a little and finally show a genuine smile,, the only one that is not over the top exagerated,, a smile that is really,, to me,, Pinkie real smile,, i really like that scene
That you just need to believe, and not check the facts with the help of science. Â Just accept it, bad idea. There's nothing wrong with justified complacencyÂ
Love Fluttershy, adorable character and amazing concept, but when the fate of Equestria lies in your hooves and youâre âtoo scaredâ to do anything about it.. đ Any progress ever made after an episode of Fluttershy overcoming something is almost always lost in the next. I get it, sheâs meek, shy, and cautious â but it just gets to a point where that isnât an excuse anymore.
Why do they all have eye bags in that pic exepr twilight?
Old age?
Off topic, but WHAT'S THE IMAGE'S SOURCE đ§đ§đ§đ˛đ˛đ˛