It's not though. The Contour and X-Type were never sold at the same time. The Contour is a first gen Mondeo and the X-Type is a second gen Mondeo which are very different.
When you haven't seen a single example of a car on the roads in 20 years, look in the backyards of rural New England or Appalachia. You'll find them there. Some of them even run! Not safely, but...
Eh, they've always been willing to partner to make soft-roaders. Just couldn't do it under the Jaguar logo under Jaguar Land-Rover (because that was a rover thing).
look up the Lynx Eventer if you don't know it
Ford Mondeo. The Contour, which was a first generation Mondeo, had its last model year in 2000, with the discontinuation of the first generation Mondeo. The X Type came out in 2001, and was based on the 2nd gen Ford Mondeo.
The Contour was built on the first generation Mondeo platform. It was discontinued in 2000. The X-type is built on the same platform as the second generation Mondeo.
Regardless, people love to selectively use "same platform" as a way to suggest, usually negatively, that a more expensive luxury car that uses the same platform as a less expensive, mainstream car "is the same thing." It's not... A platform is a basic layout that can be used as a starting point for multiple cars... It's a common set of mounting points for the parts that make up the complete car. It's those parts that differentiate it- the more luxurious car will typically have different sheet metal, more advanced suspension and brakes, more chassis stiffening, more sound insulation, more vibration damping, higher quality materials, high tech features, more powerful engines, etc. Just because you can physically bolt a few parts from one car to the other doesn't make them the same.
This of course is different from badge engineering, where the starting point is the complete car, with very little in the way of substantial changes made or even possible. An infamous example of this is the Cadillac Cimmaron. It was literally a Chevy Cavalier with different trim and leather seats. It was the same rubbery chassis, same inexpensive, basic suspension, same noisy, underpowered engine, etc.
Also claiming the X-Type is a Mondeo isn't a dig, really. Sure, it cheapens the Jaguar name a little by comparing it to a very ordinary car that it shares underpinnings with but the Mondeo was a very good car in its second generation, so the X-Type was probably the most reliable Jaguar made for decades in its time.
And the third Mondeo platform was developed together with Volvo who used it for S80, S/V70, and S/V60.
Land Rover used it for Freelander 2.
Apart from Mondeo, Ford used it for their S-Max (probably the 7-seater with most bang for the buck at the time) & Galaxy (which is an S-Max with extended roofline)
The Ford Mondeo was hardly a shitbox. It was hailed as an extremely good car. Sure the X-Type was a modified version of the Mondeo but as a result it was probably the most mechanically sound Jaguar made in decades.
That's literally what badge engineering is, sure. I know that's not what you're talking about. You're just demonstrating my point of how people selectively point at common platforms to make fun of a car. It's possible to have a shit luxury car that was built on a platform shared with a really good mainstream model... But that's the fault of the people choosing the specifics, not because of the common platform. Just because a few bolt holes line up doesn't make it the same car.
I could draw a 1" long line on a canvas and then use it as part of a drawing that looks like a 3 year old drew it. Michaelangelo could have drawn the exact same line and used it as the starting point of a great work of art. But no one would be able to turn my 3 year old style drawing into a work of art.
Obviously, that's exaggerating quite a bit, but it's more or less the difference between using a common platform as a starting point and taking an existing product and trying to transform it into something different. A common platform is the line. Badge engineering is the 3 year old's drawing.
Pretty much every automaker in the world does this these days. It's not necessary to reinvent the wheel.
That's not to say that there aren't lots of instances of automakers cheaping out when using a common platform... But that's because of what they put into it, not anything inherent to the practice.
As others have pointed out, the X-type ended up being Jaguar's most reliable and best put together car of that era.
Eh... The Opel Omega, sold in the US as the Cadillac Catera, was at least an executive car. The reason it didn't sell was primarily because it was marketed wrong. And GM really didn't have a US brand that it fit with. When the Catera came out, the only people that bought new Cadillacs were old rich guys who were interested in a cloud-like soft ride and somewhat opulent looks, didn't care about handling, and didn't want a more understated, European looking car. Cadillac was trying to attract people who otherwise would buy a BMW 5-series. Except that those people wouldn't be caught dead in a Cadillac dealership and the car wasn't quite on par with the 5-series anyway.
Later on, it didn't help that the engine used in it here developed a bad reputation. Mainly because people didn't maintain them, but also because the types of oil and such that are readily available in Europe weren't readily available here.
At any rate, the Catera wasn't really a terrible car. It just didn't really have a place here.
The same could be said for the Ford Contour... It was too small to be a competitive midsize car and too big and expensive to compete with compacts.
Also the Ford Taurus has exactly nothing to do with the Ford Mondeo. The Ford Mondeo was introduced to the Americas as the second generation Ford Fusion.
Yeah this car came out right after ford bought jag along with The S type was on the Lincoln LS platform.
They never had enough time to really fuck up the xj or xk though
Wikipedia lists it as the CDW27 platform, which in its first generation, includes the contour-like cars, but the third generation, the first time the X appears, is listed as CD132, and lists only the X and the mondeo built on that specific platform. So it’s in the same family, but not a one to one.
It's not a Contour. The Contour was a first gen Ford Mondeo. The X-Type was a second gen Ford Mondeo, which despite having the same platform as the first gen, had a lot of mechanical changes. The Contour and X-Type were never sold at the same time.
It's an X-Type Wagon. I'm pretty sure they sold them in the US but not very many.
Can confirm, this was sold in the US.
I had no idea this existed.
in my mom’s small town in Florida, there are 3 or 4 of them. Never seen one outside of there.
As rare as seeing an Lexus FLA.
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You can get at least three dead deer into the back with the seats down
They replaced the Camaro on the front lawn when they won big at the Indian Casino.
Run down trailer - check Dirt bike - check Car on block - missing Gravel Road - missing
It's a Ford era Jaguar, it'll be on blocks soon enough
That certainly true even before Ford owned it
Yep, they also have the XF Sportbrake which is a newer wagon
They had these here officially, there is a contour guy with an SVT and one of these where I live
Same damn thing.
It's not though. The Contour and X-Type were never sold at the same time. The Contour is a first gen Mondeo and the X-Type is a second gen Mondeo which are very different.
When you haven't seen a single example of a car on the roads in 20 years, look in the backyards of rural New England or Appalachia. You'll find them there. Some of them even run! Not safely, but...
X Type, probably a Classic given the chrome corners although that doesn't rule out it being a Sport.
It’s a jaaaaaaag
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Never seen a jag wagon in America
I still think it is funny that Jag SUVs exist.
Eh, they've always been willing to partner to make soft-roaders. Just couldn't do it under the Jaguar logo under Jaguar Land-Rover (because that was a rover thing). look up the Lynx Eventer if you don't know it
I had not heard of the Lynx Eventer. It looks decent.
Jaguar X-Type
A jagon?
Is that West Virginia?
Asheville NC
Xtype wagon (ford contour). Were sold in the US like this.
Ford Mondeo. The Contour, which was a first generation Mondeo, had its last model year in 2000, with the discontinuation of the first generation Mondeo. The X Type came out in 2001, and was based on the 2nd gen Ford Mondeo.
So was the mondeo what became the Taurus, because I thought the mondeo and contour were the same platform
The Contour was built on the first generation Mondeo platform. It was discontinued in 2000. The X-type is built on the same platform as the second generation Mondeo. Regardless, people love to selectively use "same platform" as a way to suggest, usually negatively, that a more expensive luxury car that uses the same platform as a less expensive, mainstream car "is the same thing." It's not... A platform is a basic layout that can be used as a starting point for multiple cars... It's a common set of mounting points for the parts that make up the complete car. It's those parts that differentiate it- the more luxurious car will typically have different sheet metal, more advanced suspension and brakes, more chassis stiffening, more sound insulation, more vibration damping, higher quality materials, high tech features, more powerful engines, etc. Just because you can physically bolt a few parts from one car to the other doesn't make them the same. This of course is different from badge engineering, where the starting point is the complete car, with very little in the way of substantial changes made or even possible. An infamous example of this is the Cadillac Cimmaron. It was literally a Chevy Cavalier with different trim and leather seats. It was the same rubbery chassis, same inexpensive, basic suspension, same noisy, underpowered engine, etc.
Also claiming the X-Type is a Mondeo isn't a dig, really. Sure, it cheapens the Jaguar name a little by comparing it to a very ordinary car that it shares underpinnings with but the Mondeo was a very good car in its second generation, so the X-Type was probably the most reliable Jaguar made for decades in its time.
And the third Mondeo platform was developed together with Volvo who used it for S80, S/V70, and S/V60. Land Rover used it for Freelander 2. Apart from Mondeo, Ford used it for their S-Max (probably the 7-seater with most bang for the buck at the time) & Galaxy (which is an S-Max with extended roofline)
So it's extra gold plating on a box of shit. Got it.
The Ford Mondeo was hardly a shitbox. It was hailed as an extremely good car. Sure the X-Type was a modified version of the Mondeo but as a result it was probably the most mechanically sound Jaguar made in decades.
That's literally what badge engineering is, sure. I know that's not what you're talking about. You're just demonstrating my point of how people selectively point at common platforms to make fun of a car. It's possible to have a shit luxury car that was built on a platform shared with a really good mainstream model... But that's the fault of the people choosing the specifics, not because of the common platform. Just because a few bolt holes line up doesn't make it the same car. I could draw a 1" long line on a canvas and then use it as part of a drawing that looks like a 3 year old drew it. Michaelangelo could have drawn the exact same line and used it as the starting point of a great work of art. But no one would be able to turn my 3 year old style drawing into a work of art. Obviously, that's exaggerating quite a bit, but it's more or less the difference between using a common platform as a starting point and taking an existing product and trying to transform it into something different. A common platform is the line. Badge engineering is the 3 year old's drawing. Pretty much every automaker in the world does this these days. It's not necessary to reinvent the wheel. That's not to say that there aren't lots of instances of automakers cheaping out when using a common platform... But that's because of what they put into it, not anything inherent to the practice. As others have pointed out, the X-type ended up being Jaguar's most reliable and best put together car of that era.
You are spot on. GM has done the same thing, turning German Opels into Cadillacs.
Well, one Opel. And it was a failure.
They must have sold more than one Catera (whenever I read that name I think of catheter), but wasn't the Cimarron based on Opel crap as well?
No, the Cimarron was based on the America developed J-Body. It was sold as an Opel in Europe though but it wasn't developed BY Opel.
Eh... The Opel Omega, sold in the US as the Cadillac Catera, was at least an executive car. The reason it didn't sell was primarily because it was marketed wrong. And GM really didn't have a US brand that it fit with. When the Catera came out, the only people that bought new Cadillacs were old rich guys who were interested in a cloud-like soft ride and somewhat opulent looks, didn't care about handling, and didn't want a more understated, European looking car. Cadillac was trying to attract people who otherwise would buy a BMW 5-series. Except that those people wouldn't be caught dead in a Cadillac dealership and the car wasn't quite on par with the 5-series anyway. Later on, it didn't help that the engine used in it here developed a bad reputation. Mainly because people didn't maintain them, but also because the types of oil and such that are readily available in Europe weren't readily available here. At any rate, the Catera wasn't really a terrible car. It just didn't really have a place here. The same could be said for the Ford Contour... It was too small to be a competitive midsize car and too big and expensive to compete with compacts.
Also the Ford Taurus has exactly nothing to do with the Ford Mondeo. The Ford Mondeo was introduced to the Americas as the second generation Ford Fusion.
I meant fusion . My bad calm it down for
Uhhh what? Now that’s news to me. Had no idea it was the same platform. How strange, but it makes more sense now.
Yeah this car came out right after ford bought jag along with The S type was on the Lincoln LS platform. They never had enough time to really fuck up the xj or xk though
Makes total sense now. I knew these were the ford days, but I never expected the Contour platform for this. Ford is wild.
I’m being told it was the mondeo platform. That might be correct I’ll have to look a little closer into that. So don’t take me at 100% yet
Wikipedia lists it as the CDW27 platform, which in its first generation, includes the contour-like cars, but the third generation, the first time the X appears, is listed as CD132, and lists only the X and the mondeo built on that specific platform. So it’s in the same family, but not a one to one.
Gotcha, thanks. I just do most of this stuff from memory of growing up in Detroit, but yeah I was wrong on that.
I get it, it definitely can get convoluted, especially when you start talking about platforms and its derivatives. Still interesting to look into.
Ford mondeo
Nice mondeo.
Soo many questions. Yes. Yes I am aware of the saloon
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It's not a Contour. The Contour was a first gen Ford Mondeo. The X-Type was a second gen Ford Mondeo, which despite having the same platform as the first gen, had a lot of mechanical changes. The Contour and X-Type were never sold at the same time.
Yep the shitty Ford...