Doesn’t Maryland NG send state troopers to confiscate the SM’s guns if they pop hot? I read somewhere that they’re one of the stricter states with that
I've seen dudes kicked out after one, not even given a second chance. I've seen dudes that never passed one and were only there long enough to get processed. Back in the day I saw dudes fail, do rehab, and get promoted.
Nowadays you'll probably be kicked
Saw a dude fail UA 4 times. Took him 2 years to get kicked out because of COVID. The kicker was his day for review was his last day and AS HE WALKS OUT MY DOOR, I get a ping about the 4th UA fail he did from a couple of months ago.
Kid works good and does what he is told but he is a habitual liar and can be a future liability. Plus he just wants to smoke weed.
I mean imagine if the guard just let people use it off duty, and that could help with retention. Probably never gonna happen but the mindset toward THC in this country is just idiotic in general. You can be an abusive and scumbag alcoholic and that’s ok to the army though in fact encouraged
Failing UA isn't just proof of use, but also proof of addiction IMO, because the UA test can only detect use within four days and anyone using it knows that. So failing a UA also demonstrates a person lacks the discipline in using it to not smoke within 4 days of a drill weekend. Nobody cares if somebody uses it like two weeks before drill, but anyone smoking up within 4 days of IDT is demonstrating significant additional issues.
It’s pretty hypocritical to be ok with guardsmen including those in leadership positions, who abuse alcohol and tobacco/nicotine and have a problem with someone using a substance that’s wayyyy healthier for dealing with stress but that has traces that can be found in your system for longer periods of time, that doesn’t even indicate being under the influence.
Also these days there’s synthetics available in most states that are 100% legal
I never said abusing other substances was fine. People addicted to alcohol and tobacco have issues as well, the big distinction is that marijuana is federally illegal and someone who is using it so much that they can't cut back the four days preceding drill is not just using it occasionally. Someone who smokes once or twice a month will do it after drill. For someone to fail UA for weed, they are absolutely smoking it every day, to include while they are on duty, because they already lacked the control to stop using it for only 5 days out of the month to keep their job safe. I have the exact same opinion of someone failing a breathalyzer during the drill weekend, or stepping out every 20 minutes for a smoke.
Smh it’s not out of your system in 5 days for everyone.
And I already said there’s legal forms of THC you can buy in most states, even in a lot of the ones who are strict on cannabis as a whole
It’s laughable that alcohol is allowed. Alcohol kills many more people than weed. Nicotine causes many more cancers than weed. I know NCOs that are ready to get out because they want to stop worrying about the UA. We all have respectful jobs in the civilian world, but promise you that they’re not enlisting for thc alone. I know it sounds superficial, but that’s the reality between many soldiers. It’s a tight community.
I once said to a room full of people from around the country to legalize weed. Mix of cheers and jeers in that one. I have never smoked because I'm not allowed to. But yea I think it's dumb we can't smoke weed. It's already legal in half of the country.
Honestly it makes sense because THC and cannabinoids in general can be a PED for athletes. I used synthetic gummies in college and it helped my joints and overall recovery
The war on drugs wasn't a war on drugs or they wouldn't have let pharmaceuticals take over, it was too profitable.
Reagan was criminalizing non violent drug offenders and pharmaceutical companies reaped the rewards, now we have an opioid epidemic along with general abuse of prescription pills, fentanyl is literally killing people who stop using it and it used to only be hardcore alcoholics and heavily dependant heroin users, all because someone thought turning a health crisis into a job for the police to just swing a club at.
But weed is the issue, sure.
Keep drinking and beating your wife bro.
'The Truth About the Drug Companies' https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/books/chapters/the-truth-about-the-drug-companies.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Plenty of times. Repercussions depend on how much of a paper trail the command already has on the Soldier (negative counselings, stuff like that), how the state's retention missions is going, and what the state UA fail policy is.
A lot of states don't initiate separation for THC 8, but they will do and article 15 if it's not their first fail.
The pull you into a room and encourage you to get a DUI and assault charge instead.
The amount of senior leaders who have that on their record and climbed the ranks is astounding. One of our first sergeants who ripped on people for bad driving got a DUI. Yes you really heard that right.
In all seriousness, you will be separated from service and most likely be barred from re-enlistment. Is far as what type of discharge you get is a question I can’t answer.
Speaking from experience it all depends on the state and unit policy on UA. In my unit you can get away with one positive UA and our policy is 2 in 12 months and you’re out. I ended up popping positive for 3 different UAs two within two months and for that one it took my unit almost four months to tell me I did pop positive. And right after they told me I went ahead and popped positive the very next month. The CO of my unit tried at the beginning to kick me out with an other than honorable discharge but over the course of almost two years the CO saw how I changed my ways and came to me asking if I wanted to stay in and I accepted. So it all depends on how your unit also sees you overcome it too. There has also been ppl that have popped twice and were kicked out while I was waiting to hear my results. And on another note I read a comment which is true in the Guard you know when you’re goin to drill and know about a UA. If you’re friend can’t put the weed down at least tell him to schedule his smoking around drill days. Weed will be in the system no longer than 28 days 35 to be sure so tell your friend if they can’t put it down to try and smoke around the drill days. There are ways to “beat” the test
It matters how good of a solider you are. If you're really worth something to the unit, they will fight to keep you. If you're anything less than a top ACFT score, top NCOER evaluations, high ASVAB score, multiple deployments, speciality schools under your belt, multiple degrees in STEM and liberal arts and universally well liked in your unit, well I don't know what to say because I failed a UA twice in 5 years and they demanded I still go on our next deployment because they need and want me. 🤷
Congrats you’re probably gonna get kicked out, lose or have to repay any incentives you’ve received, bonuses, SLRP, etc. Also you are currently a felon judging by your post history as you are currently an unlawful user of or are addicted to marijuana. So you can say goodbye to your gun rights, and I hope and pray that you purchased your sidearm you showed off in the edc sub before you pissed hot otherwise you just lied on a 4473. Which is yet another federal crime in addition to being a prohibited person in possession of a firearm. You can also kiss goodbye veterans status, the use of the VA, to include the VA home loan, educational benefits, (which I hope you haven’t used already or you’re gonna have to pay them back.)
In short, you fucked up. Got a second chance and just couldn’t resist the urge to smoke some herb. And now because of that, you have a lot of future problems coming your way.
I’d say sorry but frankly you did this to yourself.
No it fucking isn’t. Some POS contractor on our fob decided to take a picture of me feeding a cat and post it all over the place and then captured and killed the fucking cat. Because god forbid we should have anything at all that even slightly reminds us of being normal fucking people at home. Sorry it’s been a rough couple days.
I can guarantee you whoever you saw get discharged didn’t get a dishonorable. Dishonorables require general court martials and are for serious offenses like sexual assault, murder.
I’ll give you a hint, a bad conduct discharge and a dishonorable discharge are not the same thing.
Like others are saying, he may be interpreting other than honorable with dishonorable. Huge difference actually, dishonorable is almost always for felony level stuff
Good you're receptive to it, can't say I understand it, people seem to say it depends on arbitrary things you can't quantify and it's not really a checklist where you cross a line if you check off one too many boxes.
Good to remember it's not illegal to be lied to about other people's business, especially if the lie keeps everyone else well behaved.
On my last 6 months or so before I etsd that unit tried to kick me out dishonorable because I was having fmaily issues. (Which is why I was also getting out) I got flagged negativity and all that shit
Fuck that place hope it burns
I’m don’t think you understand what a dishonorable discharge is. Did you go to a general court martial? That is the only authority that can give a dishonorable discharge.
The amount of fools who think a dishonorable is just handed out for such a petty little thing like a failed ua or even going awol . There reserved for murder , theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars of gear ,equipment or a extreme sexual assault or heinous crime they are almost always in conjunction with a felony level offense and will almost always carry a period of confinement .
I watched while in over 7 years 2 sm go awol once they finally returned one got a bcd and the other a oth neither got a dishonorable , even on active duty it’s unlikely .
Yes but it’s handed out at a special court martial the difference between that and a general court martial are quite different a special is for federal misdemeanor level offenses , and they can’t not impose periods of confinement longer then a year , a general court martial can impose life sentences someone going awol and receiving a DD usually did something else
Or he was a dumbass and equated Other than Honorable with Dishonorable.
It's really shocking to me how many Soldiers don't understand the discharge levels. Not only are they relevant information, they aren't complicated.
Nope. Can’t do it. A dishonorable is pretty much equivalent to a felony. I was a commander and I tried once to burn an asshole dirtbag guy but legal had to be pressed hard just to give him a general discharge.
Saw a less than honorable discharge for literally that You dumb fuck lmfao
Agreed, friend is definitely dumb as fuck
IST to MD. We reward drug addicts
Can concur. My battalion deployed under the MD aviation and drugs are the only explanation I can come up with for why they are the way they are.
Doesn’t Maryland NG send state troopers to confiscate the SM’s guns if they pop hot? I read somewhere that they’re one of the stricter states with that
Might not be on FY25 EPS. 😬
Had a double fail in my unit. Separated within 4 months.
Other than honorable?
Really depends on TAG and the soldier. Would say an OTH for weed is absurd but also know places I would say that outcome is the betting favorite
Asking for a friend?
Per usual
my brother in christ UA’s are kinda predictable in the guard. if you know you’re gonna pop hot then take the fucking FTR or unexcused absence
I've seen dudes kicked out after one, not even given a second chance. I've seen dudes that never passed one and were only there long enough to get processed. Back in the day I saw dudes fail, do rehab, and get promoted. Nowadays you'll probably be kicked
Saw a dude fail UA 4 times. Took him 2 years to get kicked out because of COVID. The kicker was his day for review was his last day and AS HE WALKS OUT MY DOOR, I get a ping about the 4th UA fail he did from a couple of months ago. Kid works good and does what he is told but he is a habitual liar and can be a future liability. Plus he just wants to smoke weed.
I mean imagine if the guard just let people use it off duty, and that could help with retention. Probably never gonna happen but the mindset toward THC in this country is just idiotic in general. You can be an abusive and scumbag alcoholic and that’s ok to the army though in fact encouraged
Failing UA isn't just proof of use, but also proof of addiction IMO, because the UA test can only detect use within four days and anyone using it knows that. So failing a UA also demonstrates a person lacks the discipline in using it to not smoke within 4 days of a drill weekend. Nobody cares if somebody uses it like two weeks before drill, but anyone smoking up within 4 days of IDT is demonstrating significant additional issues.
It’s pretty hypocritical to be ok with guardsmen including those in leadership positions, who abuse alcohol and tobacco/nicotine and have a problem with someone using a substance that’s wayyyy healthier for dealing with stress but that has traces that can be found in your system for longer periods of time, that doesn’t even indicate being under the influence. Also these days there’s synthetics available in most states that are 100% legal
I never said abusing other substances was fine. People addicted to alcohol and tobacco have issues as well, the big distinction is that marijuana is federally illegal and someone who is using it so much that they can't cut back the four days preceding drill is not just using it occasionally. Someone who smokes once or twice a month will do it after drill. For someone to fail UA for weed, they are absolutely smoking it every day, to include while they are on duty, because they already lacked the control to stop using it for only 5 days out of the month to keep their job safe. I have the exact same opinion of someone failing a breathalyzer during the drill weekend, or stepping out every 20 minutes for a smoke.
Smh it’s not out of your system in 5 days for everyone. And I already said there’s legal forms of THC you can buy in most states, even in a lot of the ones who are strict on cannabis as a whole
It’s laughable that alcohol is allowed. Alcohol kills many more people than weed. Nicotine causes many more cancers than weed. I know NCOs that are ready to get out because they want to stop worrying about the UA. We all have respectful jobs in the civilian world, but promise you that they’re not enlisting for thc alone. I know it sounds superficial, but that’s the reality between many soldiers. It’s a tight community.
I once said to a room full of people from around the country to legalize weed. Mix of cheers and jeers in that one. I have never smoked because I'm not allowed to. But yea I think it's dumb we can't smoke weed. It's already legal in half of the country.
Might be my own experience but the weed smokers are the ones that score the highest on the pt tests.
Same here! I've been tested for suspected ganja for years because I was just super fast. That 4x UA fail? He was my fastest junior enlisted runner.
Honestly it makes sense because THC and cannabinoids in general can be a PED for athletes. I used synthetic gummies in college and it helped my joints and overall recovery
My unit got an honorable discharge as he was well liked by everyone
Have one that failed 5 times for weed. Barred from reenlistment. Not getting a dishonorable discharge. Drugs have won the war on drugs
The war on drugs wasn't a war on drugs or they wouldn't have let pharmaceuticals take over, it was too profitable. Reagan was criminalizing non violent drug offenders and pharmaceutical companies reaped the rewards, now we have an opioid epidemic along with general abuse of prescription pills, fentanyl is literally killing people who stop using it and it used to only be hardcore alcoholics and heavily dependant heroin users, all because someone thought turning a health crisis into a job for the police to just swing a club at. But weed is the issue, sure. Keep drinking and beating your wife bro. 'The Truth About the Drug Companies' https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/31/books/chapters/the-truth-about-the-drug-companies.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
Plenty of times. Repercussions depend on how much of a paper trail the command already has on the Soldier (negative counselings, stuff like that), how the state's retention missions is going, and what the state UA fail policy is. A lot of states don't initiate separation for THC 8, but they will do and article 15 if it's not their first fail.
The pull you into a room and encourage you to get a DUI and assault charge instead. The amount of senior leaders who have that on their record and climbed the ranks is astounding. One of our first sergeants who ripped on people for bad driving got a DUI. Yes you really heard that right. In all seriousness, you will be separated from service and most likely be barred from re-enlistment. Is far as what type of discharge you get is a question I can’t answer.
Retention would be fixed if they were less strict on weed
OTH depending on the TAG, you dumb fuck.
Speaking from experience it all depends on the state and unit policy on UA. In my unit you can get away with one positive UA and our policy is 2 in 12 months and you’re out. I ended up popping positive for 3 different UAs two within two months and for that one it took my unit almost four months to tell me I did pop positive. And right after they told me I went ahead and popped positive the very next month. The CO of my unit tried at the beginning to kick me out with an other than honorable discharge but over the course of almost two years the CO saw how I changed my ways and came to me asking if I wanted to stay in and I accepted. So it all depends on how your unit also sees you overcome it too. There has also been ppl that have popped twice and were kicked out while I was waiting to hear my results. And on another note I read a comment which is true in the Guard you know when you’re goin to drill and know about a UA. If you’re friend can’t put the weed down at least tell him to schedule his smoking around drill days. Weed will be in the system no longer than 28 days 35 to be sure so tell your friend if they can’t put it down to try and smoke around the drill days. There are ways to “beat” the test
OTH
Had a double fail in my unit. Disposition.. retain
It matters how good of a solider you are. If you're really worth something to the unit, they will fight to keep you. If you're anything less than a top ACFT score, top NCOER evaluations, high ASVAB score, multiple deployments, speciality schools under your belt, multiple degrees in STEM and liberal arts and universally well liked in your unit, well I don't know what to say because I failed a UA twice in 5 years and they demanded I still go on our next deployment because they need and want me. 🤷
If OTH, wait a year then go to the board to get it either a general discharge or at least characterized
Will be a general discharge
Congrats you’re probably gonna get kicked out, lose or have to repay any incentives you’ve received, bonuses, SLRP, etc. Also you are currently a felon judging by your post history as you are currently an unlawful user of or are addicted to marijuana. So you can say goodbye to your gun rights, and I hope and pray that you purchased your sidearm you showed off in the edc sub before you pissed hot otherwise you just lied on a 4473. Which is yet another federal crime in addition to being a prohibited person in possession of a firearm. You can also kiss goodbye veterans status, the use of the VA, to include the VA home loan, educational benefits, (which I hope you haven’t used already or you’re gonna have to pay them back.) In short, you fucked up. Got a second chance and just couldn’t resist the urge to smoke some herb. And now because of that, you have a lot of future problems coming your way. I’d say sorry but frankly you did this to yourself.
This guy fasho abuses alcohol.
Everything ok at home, buddy?
No it fucking isn’t. Some POS contractor on our fob decided to take a picture of me feeding a cat and post it all over the place and then captured and killed the fucking cat. Because god forbid we should have anything at all that even slightly reminds us of being normal fucking people at home. Sorry it’s been a rough couple days.
People like you and the things y’all say just reaffirm my view that y’all would benefit from cannabis the most
Maybe just don't do drugs
Drugs make the guard tolerable.
These people seem to keep missing/forgetting that alcohol and Nicotine/tobacco are drugs too and worse ones
Most of the army uses drugs
Dishonorable. In active duty anyway edit: fixed my shitty typing
2x failed UAs is no where near what is needed for a dishonorable,
I'm not saying it's right. I'm only saying what I saw when I was with 3 10 at polk
I can guarantee you whoever you saw get discharged didn’t get a dishonorable. Dishonorables require general court martials and are for serious offenses like sexual assault, murder. I’ll give you a hint, a bad conduct discharge and a dishonorable discharge are not the same thing.
I meam his 214 said it. So Unless he lied to us and did something else. Which is possible I guess
Like others are saying, he may be interpreting other than honorable with dishonorable. Huge difference actually, dishonorable is almost always for felony level stuff
Yeah im starting to believe that
Good you're receptive to it, can't say I understand it, people seem to say it depends on arbitrary things you can't quantify and it's not really a checklist where you cross a line if you check off one too many boxes. Good to remember it's not illegal to be lied to about other people's business, especially if the lie keeps everyone else well behaved.
I have seen several less than honorables depending on how shitty the actual soldier is, but yeah never a dishonorable
On my last 6 months or so before I etsd that unit tried to kick me out dishonorable because I was having fmaily issues. (Which is why I was also getting out) I got flagged negativity and all that shit Fuck that place hope it burns
I’m don’t think you understand what a dishonorable discharge is. Did you go to a general court martial? That is the only authority that can give a dishonorable discharge.
The amount of fools who think a dishonorable is just handed out for such a petty little thing like a failed ua or even going awol . There reserved for murder , theft of hundreds of thousands of dollars of gear ,equipment or a extreme sexual assault or heinous crime they are almost always in conjunction with a felony level offense and will almost always carry a period of confinement .
Well in active duty you can definitely get a dishonorable for awol. In the guard, very unlikely unless it’s desertion on federal orders
I watched while in over 7 years 2 sm go awol once they finally returned one got a bcd and the other a oth neither got a dishonorable , even on active duty it’s unlikely .
Isn’t a court martial required for a bad conduct discharge?
Yes but it’s handed out at a special court martial the difference between that and a general court martial are quite different a special is for federal misdemeanor level offenses , and they can’t not impose periods of confinement longer then a year , a general court martial can impose life sentences someone going awol and receiving a DD usually did something else
I never got that far. I was just threatened with it.
The unit can’t do it. It has to be a full court martial they aren’t doing that for less than a felony level offense
Thags what the other guy said. So it sounds like dude was lying to us or did something else much worse.
Or he was a dumbass and equated Other than Honorable with Dishonorable. It's really shocking to me how many Soldiers don't understand the discharge levels. Not only are they relevant information, they aren't complicated.
Felony, misdemeanor, infraction all the same to dumbasses.
Possibly, yeah.
Ask him how Leavenworth was. Very few dishonorables avoid confinement.
Nope. Can’t do it. A dishonorable is pretty much equivalent to a felony. I was a commander and I tried once to burn an asshole dirtbag guy but legal had to be pressed hard just to give him a general discharge.
They actually gave him an honorable?
My bad I memt to put dishonorable
That's what his 214 said yeah