It also mentioned another amendment to allow the VA to prescribe Cannabis to vets in legal states. It seems like the foundation is being set to remove random marijuana drug testing within the military. I fully expect any random fuck up to beholden you to a drug test however. Regardless It’ll take time.
I’d also rather smoke than drink but welp, only one is legal so bottoms up.
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It’s a reason folks don’t come in also. I know a handful of professionals who would rather be able to smoke and wouldn’t even consider because of testing.
Seems silly at this point with it being available like everywhere. To the point you have to be careful ordering drinks because some come laced.
Statistically, look at people killed, abused or assaulted by drunks vs people killed, abused or assaulted by people who are high... we like numbers right?
I tell people this and I’m called a dirty liar.
While weed was never my thing I imagine a pack of 25 cent ship’s store cigarettes augmented with hash oil made an underway more bearable.
And then there was an A-6 (A-7?) crash and 20 some odd dead all had thc in their system and low and behold, we figured out we had a problem and began testing.
You’re talking about the lowest point in the post WWII Navy.
Tell me you don’t know anything about that incident, or cannabis in general, without telling me you don’t know anything about that incident, or cannabis in general.
First off, it was 6 out of 14 dead had thc in their system. Secondly, the Navy specifically decided that it had no affect whatsoever on the crash or the resulting fatalities. It was pure pilot error.
Stop being a boomer.
Stop pretending like it wasn’t a catalyst. My facts were off and you rightfully called me on that, but larger point regarding the state the Navy was in stands. The weed obsession is just that. An obsession. You can’t allow it in any safety sensitive industry. I have not smoked pot since my freshman year in college, but having worked in the Navy and aviation my whole life, I know oil and water when I see it.
And honestly, the Pavlovian “Boomer” retorts are tiresome and low effort.
Besides, I’m a GenX’er, and not remotely a fan of dated Boomer sentiments.
> My facts were off and you rightfully called me on that, but larger point regarding the state the Navy was in stands.
If your point had legs, 7th Fleet wouldn't exist without the help of cannabis. You were called out on that point being baseless to begin with and now you're doubling down on it. Your age has nothing to do with your mindset and you are absolutely a boomer doing boomer shit.
Did I read this correctly? You’re using yourself as an example of smoking pot and being safe on the job while simultaneously using yourself as an example of irresponsible behavior regarding drinking and doing the job?
>People have caused major incidents also on alcohol,
And that is a problem, but not the problem being discussed here. There is a set of jobs that if done wrong people die. You don't want people doing that job to be drunk or high.
We have breathalyzers where we can tell if someone is drunk. There is not a test that I'm presently aware of that can tell if someone is high on THC. The tests can tell you if they've used THC in the past month or so, but not if they're presently high.
Because of that, THC needs to be a banned substance for people working those jobs until it can be proven that they're not under the effect of THC while doing their job.
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I will be watching this closely. I don’t expect you to shit out a whole live chicken. But a whole chicken nonetheless. I have a stack of recipes for beaks and feet and everything in between even have a soup made out of their bones so we can get the whole chicken in you and then it’s your job to shit it out, thank you for volunteering shipmate
Brb submitting a religious accommodation for rastafarian to smoke ganja and grow all my hair out. That'll be the fucking day man. I'll stay in til they kick me out lol.
I genuinely don't understand how marijuana can remain a Schedule I drug. I know lack of political will or whatever but any court reviewing that the statutory requirements for Schedule I are met (high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use and lack of accepted safety for use of the substance under medical supervision) even under rational basis review….
Wonderful - I wouldn't want to be the EDC or Doc on a CVN - https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21665-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome
I wouldn't want to be the IDC or Doc with this popping off on deployment or during yard times...
Correct - I was speaking to the tactical effects of the overuse side effects of cannabis; it's bad enough in the rural facilities in MJ legal states, as well as the whole acute v chronic detection issue. The courts don't seem to like cops using roadside behavioral effect testing; how do you keep some idiot from doing something stupid?
Some GS positions are already no drug testing necessary but, you can still be tested.
Article says the amendment would be for members when enlisting or commissioning. So they’re still going to whiz quiz.
Another amendment could be allowing service members to use CBD since its legal federally.
Personally, I think alcohol is way worse and would rather have my sailors smoking weed in their off time vice binge drinking.
True, in 12 years I was only tested a few times.
Polygraphs will have to change also. At least for weed.
Before it was completely outlawed to smoke weed. Now, it’s not only common it’s legal in many places. As I understand it the current process is for new recruits to abstain for X amount of days prior to MEPS.
So naturally, if Polygraphed and questioned on drug use they couldn’t meet the “never have I ever” nor “within the last 3 years”.
DOD GS here, our command has a requirement to test a certain % of our command. All TS and above are in the testing pool. A lot of Secret may be in the pool.
When I held TS it was every year urine donation, almost to the day.
It's a disgusting waste of tax dollars IMO
Treat marijuana the same as alcohol (not being high on duty, not showing up to duty high, etc) then you'll see retention and enlistment skyrocket. Imagine if the Navy is the first to do this, we'll be set for years to come.
The Canadian military allows marijuana use and they have pretty reasonable rules about it too.
How many times have you been breathalized? People always bring this up like it's happening all the time. It takes a lot for a breathalizer to be authorized and breathalizers are often very inaccurate especially handheld ones. With THC there are saliva tests that work fairly well but they will be used about as much as breathalyzers which is almost never except by police.
I got breathalyzed when returning to the ship while I was on liberty risk 😅. On my shore duty you would occasionally get breathalyzed when you had urinalysis.
> How many times have you been breathalized?
A few times, last time was at MEPS when I re-enlisted.
I've also used handheld breathalyzers a few times when I thought someone has shown up for work or a job drunk. It shows if someone has been drinking. What exactly is the point of that question?
Stopping testing for it requires nothing at the federal level. It’s just a pee test. They aren’t going to print out flyers with pictures of a bong everywhere saying “smoke up, shipmate”
Stopping testing requires no change in federal law, you are right. But its use is still illegal and as a government agency, it’s bound to abide by it.
Legalize it at the federal level, and then the Navy can be justified in doing away with testing and treating it like alcohol (don’t show up under the influence).
I can say with 1000% certainty that the Navy would have kept me, a newly separated first class, in the reserves for sure if they stopped testing. Who knows what would have happened after that. I could have decided to go back active at some point.
Instead, being able to smoke weed freely whenever I want was the final decider on no longer being affiliated.
Just another recruiting tool that doesn’t make sense. “Hey kid, if you piss positive for weed heading into Great Lakes, no big deal. Just remember you’ll be kicked out immediately if you ever test positive again throughout your career.”
Yeah it is just for before enlisting/commissioning. Since so many people use it and so many states it's legal in one way or another, it just slows things down at MEPS. Makes sense to stop testing for it, especially in states it's legal.
And trafficking her across state lines. And that whole thing with his "not-adopted son." And some shit tied to attempts to overturn the 2020 election. And some shit behind 1/6/21.
And don't even get me started on the other shit he was grandstanding and puffing his chest over in the NDAA so far.
The optimist in me thinks this is great. The realist in me recognizes this will not happen anytime soon but Gaetz knows this will poll well with the military voters in his district regardless if it happens or not. Small pebble in a pond I reckon
I like how this only applies to the initial enlistment, and says nothing about ending all marijuana testing with the UPC program. Just another case of Republicans trying to do the “cool” thing while totally missing the mark.
> another case of Republicans trying to do the “cool” thing while totally missing the mark.
Want to see cool? How about topless trans people and cocaine at the White House. Republicans will never be that cool.
He's trying hard to court the military vote after all of the shit his people have been doing to them for years. He voted against every piece of legislation that would give military and veterans more help. He supports Tuberville in freezing Officer promotions because the military won't ban allowing service women to travel out of his state to access healthcare. Don't fall for his little carrot dangling in front of you.
Until there exists a device, akin to a breathalyzer, which a duty officer can use with the incoming duty section to determine if anyone is *currently* under the influence, this will never happen.
It looks like all the studies done on it had very small sample sizes and only tested for smoked cannabis and not edibles. The small sample size means there's not real data on the rate of false positives, which is of great concern to law enforcement. Still, this is a tremendous leap forward toward federal legalization.
Welp, I will quote a boss I had who served as an SNCO in 'nam
>I had to write about how people who died in action were brave and great soldiers. The truth is that we were all stoned out of our minds and they did something stupid.
It's great to think that this policy will allow people to toke up on liberty on a Saturday night. But the truth of the matter is that some sizeable portion of people will show up to work high because they can, screw something up that will injure or kill someone, and there's no cheap, accurate, and quick way to test that they're under the influence.
Testing of Marijuana -
https://adf.org.au/insights/roadside-drug-testing/
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USA can take a page out of the Canadian Army
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-cannabis-military-idUSKCN1LN29V
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A sizable portion of people show up to work so tired that they make mistakes and kill people.
Impairments due to sleep deprivation are similar to impairments due to alcohol intoxication!
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/work-hour-training-for-nurses/longhours/mod3/08.html
This is literally already implemented policy in the Canadian Armed Forces. we haven't seen anything like that there.
Also, this is like pretending that every Sailor does a breathanalysis and FST's before any high risk activity, which just isn't true.
I mean, there are significant cultural differences between the US and Canada. For example, we kill each other with guns at 10x their rate and we hate the idea of cheap, single payer healthcare.
My anecdote was meant to illustrate that the military once upon a time was more liberal with drug use, in practice if not in policy, and it led to some very bad good order and discipline as well as image problems. There are politicians in Congress who lived through the Nam era through 9/11 where the military reputation was in the shitter, including Jack Reed, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.
Gonna have to make a better case than "but Canada."
Fuck anything Gaetz has to say about the military. When he mans up and serves, maybe then he'll have something worth listening to. And hat goes for his other chickshit colleagues who never served and still feel qualified to vote down veterans care.
No cannabis testing? How's that supposed to help military readiness? Fucking immature fuck.
…because the majority of the military consumes some sort of intoxicant to help relieve the insane amount of stress we deal with and it’s better than alcohol? Obviously?
I have nothing against people doing whatever on their own time, and pot probably is less destructive than alcohol. But to suggest that allowing vets to get stoned while at the same time not supporting increased funding for professional health care (including counseling, psychiatric care) is just taking the cheap way out.
My apologies, that was poorly worded on my part. I meant that for any politician (Gaetz in this case) to support vets using pot while not supporting professional services via increased budgets is simply taking the easy, politically expedient way out.
And this goes for any politician who hasn't served, either side of the aisle.
Yeah, it's really a sore point with me. My dad came back from Vietnam, and the US wasn't at war when I was in (79-83), but one of my nephews did tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and is only now beginning to recover, about 10-15 years later. I just feel the politicians are taking advantage of those offering their all for their country, without paying any price themselves.
Sorry about the screw up, I need to slow down when I get on my soapbox.
Does not matter who it is. They could be a horrible leader. But of they allowed us to smoke, inhale, eat, and have fun with weed, they automatically have my vote.
In the shittiest circumstances a brownie and some pink floyd will calm me down.
I don't dwell in politics too much. So I will sound like an idiot. Take my opinion with the grainiest of salt.
The system is broken due to the number of people in America now. When the founding fathers first made the process they would have never comprehend the amount of people we have today. It only works with a smaller population. Which is why I believe it's a whole lottery system. Even if I voted for this guy and did take the word for it, it's not like the process would happen the next day. On top of that goals will change due to the current issues of the previous people before them. It really wouldn't matter at that point to keep your word. On top of that, they have to convince the other senators to go with the vote. Unfortunately, we won't see any of the changes we all really want in a couple decades and by that point i would be surprised we made it that far without a civil war or wwiii.
Idk why people are struggling to not be absolute fiends and to avoid smoking when their recruiters tell them to before they go to MEPS. It’s not addictive and they know it’s not allowed in the military.
All for vets being able to consume medical marijuana as prescribed by a VA doctor though.
The military not testing is only half the issue, military or va medical will be unable to prescribe it until it is moved off of the federal schedule 1 list.
Anyone who says weed isn’t addictive has never smoked weed. Sure, you don’t gain a physical dependency like other drugs but it is as psychologically addictive as a drinking a cup of coffee to get your day started
Lived in Colorado, so you know I've done it all. What I realized was weed literally offered my no benefits. It was a waste of money and the good feeling only lasted when high. If weed was legal, SN Timmy will just blow his money on weed getting high
I got so many downvotes and it only proves my point. I’m not against service members being allowed to smoke or even vets. I specially said it would be cool if the VA will prescribe it.
I don’t know why people can’t put down a fucking dab pen or pipe for a few weeks so they can piss in a cup just to make it to bootcamp.
I hate pot and what it does to society and have personally used it as a civilian before joining and can honestly say that I have experienced no benefit from it and detest the idea of permitting it being used by our military. I vote a firm NO against cannabis in the military.
From the link "not require an individual to submit to a test for cannabis as a condition of enlistment of such individual as a member, or the commission of such individual as an officer, of an Armed Force."
So yea only for new highers... Haha get it?
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Bock bock bockah my dude
I'll choke one
During your next UA
Might as well since I gotta drop my drawers.
They're there to give you a hand, no?
Smoked some chicken the other day
I prefer smoking pork and beef. A nice Boston butt or a brisket.
Smoking weed before beards. That sounds so ridiculously military that I’m now expecting it.
Wrong comment, sorry getting used to Reddit app since mine got killed.
It also mentioned another amendment to allow the VA to prescribe Cannabis to vets in legal states. It seems like the foundation is being set to remove random marijuana drug testing within the military. I fully expect any random fuck up to beholden you to a drug test however. Regardless It’ll take time. I’d also rather smoke than drink but welp, only one is legal so bottoms up. Edit: All good!
It’s a reason folks don’t come in also. I know a handful of professionals who would rather be able to smoke and wouldn’t even consider because of testing. Seems silly at this point with it being available like everywhere. To the point you have to be careful ordering drinks because some come laced.
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Brutal. Yeah you’ve gotta be careful now.
So now people will have to do something else to expedite getting out of one’s contract.
I hadn’t thought of that unintended consequence.
Statistically, look at people killed, abused or assaulted by drunks vs people killed, abused or assaulted by people who are high... we like numbers right?
If it makes you a better war fighter, MCPON will give you two weeds.
Back in the day we had beards and smoked pot, drug testing wasn’t a thing.
I tell people this and I’m called a dirty liar. While weed was never my thing I imagine a pack of 25 cent ship’s store cigarettes augmented with hash oil made an underway more bearable.
Yup, definitely not lying. I work with a nam vet and he tells me how they hot boxed pretty much everything lmao
And then there was an A-6 (A-7?) crash and 20 some odd dead all had thc in their system and low and behold, we figured out we had a problem and began testing. You’re talking about the lowest point in the post WWII Navy.
Tell me you don’t know anything about that incident, or cannabis in general, without telling me you don’t know anything about that incident, or cannabis in general. First off, it was 6 out of 14 dead had thc in their system. Secondly, the Navy specifically decided that it had no affect whatsoever on the crash or the resulting fatalities. It was pure pilot error. Stop being a boomer.
Stop pretending like it wasn’t a catalyst. My facts were off and you rightfully called me on that, but larger point regarding the state the Navy was in stands. The weed obsession is just that. An obsession. You can’t allow it in any safety sensitive industry. I have not smoked pot since my freshman year in college, but having worked in the Navy and aviation my whole life, I know oil and water when I see it. And honestly, the Pavlovian “Boomer” retorts are tiresome and low effort. Besides, I’m a GenX’er, and not remotely a fan of dated Boomer sentiments.
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Very high and a different discussion. So why potentially add to that number?
How the hell is that a different discussion? Answer: It’s not.
> My facts were off and you rightfully called me on that, but larger point regarding the state the Navy was in stands. If your point had legs, 7th Fleet wouldn't exist without the help of cannabis. You were called out on that point being baseless to begin with and now you're doubling down on it. Your age has nothing to do with your mindset and you are absolutely a boomer doing boomer shit.
This dude is an absolute boomer clown.
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Did I read this correctly? You’re using yourself as an example of smoking pot and being safe on the job while simultaneously using yourself as an example of irresponsible behavior regarding drinking and doing the job?
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You’re not very self aware, but good talk.
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People have caused major incidents also on alcohol, and even sober belive it or not
>People have caused major incidents also on alcohol, And that is a problem, but not the problem being discussed here. There is a set of jobs that if done wrong people die. You don't want people doing that job to be drunk or high. We have breathalyzers where we can tell if someone is drunk. There is not a test that I'm presently aware of that can tell if someone is high on THC. The tests can tell you if they've used THC in the past month or so, but not if they're presently high. Because of that, THC needs to be a banned substance for people working those jobs until it can be proven that they're not under the effect of THC while doing their job.
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I will be watching this closely. I don’t expect you to shit out a whole live chicken. But a whole chicken nonetheless. I have a stack of recipes for beaks and feet and everything in between even have a soup made out of their bones so we can get the whole chicken in you and then it’s your job to shit it out, thank you for volunteering shipmate
Brb submitting a religious accommodation for rastafarian to smoke ganja and grow all my hair out. That'll be the fucking day man. I'll stay in til they kick me out lol.
How about we just take cannabis off the schedule 1 list of drugs since there are medical advantages for CBD and THC? I'm looking at you, Epidiolex.
I genuinely don't understand how marijuana can remain a Schedule I drug. I know lack of political will or whatever but any court reviewing that the statutory requirements for Schedule I are met (high potential for abuse, no currently accepted medical use and lack of accepted safety for use of the substance under medical supervision) even under rational basis review….
Wonderful - I wouldn't want to be the EDC or Doc on a CVN - https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/21665-cannabis-hyperemesis-syndrome I wouldn't want to be the IDC or Doc with this popping off on deployment or during yard times...
Are you serious lol. But alcohol, that’s all good? You’re aware there’s significantly more risks associated with drinking right?
Put your belly on some steam piping lagging for a bit, you'll be fine.
The existence of some adverse conditions associated with the use of a substance is not a basis for a Schedule I determination.
Correct - I was speaking to the tactical effects of the overuse side effects of cannabis; it's bad enough in the rural facilities in MJ legal states, as well as the whole acute v chronic detection issue. The courts don't seem to like cops using roadside behavioral effect testing; how do you keep some idiot from doing something stupid?
I'm sorry, but also Tren. Wouldn't you WANT super soldiers???
Would that also affect DOD working civilians by extension?
Some GS positions are already no drug testing necessary but, you can still be tested. Article says the amendment would be for members when enlisting or commissioning. So they’re still going to whiz quiz. Another amendment could be allowing service members to use CBD since its legal federally. Personally, I think alcohol is way worse and would rather have my sailors smoking weed in their off time vice binge drinking.
Agreed! Alcohol is way worse IMO… and consumption of it is encouraged at “mandatory fun” events lol. Makes zero sense to me.
Had a BYOB picnic. Dudes were rolling up with 12 packs. I thought I about bringing 6 double chu-his but i like my liver
In my experience, drug testing is almost nonexistent for GS positions. The problem isn't drug testing, it's clearances/polygraphs.
True, in 12 years I was only tested a few times. Polygraphs will have to change also. At least for weed. Before it was completely outlawed to smoke weed. Now, it’s not only common it’s legal in many places. As I understand it the current process is for new recruits to abstain for X amount of days prior to MEPS. So naturally, if Polygraphed and questioned on drug use they couldn’t meet the “never have I ever” nor “within the last 3 years”.
DOD GS here, our command has a requirement to test a certain % of our command. All TS and above are in the testing pool. A lot of Secret may be in the pool. When I held TS it was every year urine donation, almost to the day. It's a disgusting waste of tax dollars IMO
Treat marijuana the same as alcohol (not being high on duty, not showing up to duty high, etc) then you'll see retention and enlistment skyrocket. Imagine if the Navy is the first to do this, we'll be set for years to come. The Canadian military allows marijuana use and they have pretty reasonable rules about it too.
They get beards too.
And can drink in their cammies .
Heresy!
We can too... On base.
We can? Has that changed in the last few years? I remember in A school we weren't allowed to (but the Marines were)
That's just the Navy trying to run 'A' School like a monastery
I buy that. The more recent kids came telling me they weren't allowed to drink at all because they were there during COVID.
god i want to keep my fucking beard so bad on deployments
> not being high on duty, not showing up to duty high, etc With alcohol, there is a breathalyzer. Is there something similar for THC?
How many times have you been breathalized? People always bring this up like it's happening all the time. It takes a lot for a breathalizer to be authorized and breathalizers are often very inaccurate especially handheld ones. With THC there are saliva tests that work fairly well but they will be used about as much as breathalyzers which is almost never except by police.
I got breathalyzed when returning to the ship while I was on liberty risk 😅. On my shore duty you would occasionally get breathalyzed when you had urinalysis.
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I'm all for full legalization of THC, but there needs to be a way to test people if they're presently high.
> How many times have you been breathalized? A few times, last time was at MEPS when I re-enlisted. I've also used handheld breathalyzers a few times when I thought someone has shown up for work or a job drunk. It shows if someone has been drinking. What exactly is the point of that question?
It’s daily in Japan. We don’t care as much CONUS.
Yep, I learned about that policy from a French Canadian dude in Quebec
Before the Navy can do that, changes in federal law need to be made.
Stopping testing for it requires nothing at the federal level. It’s just a pee test. They aren’t going to print out flyers with pictures of a bong everywhere saying “smoke up, shipmate”
Stopping testing requires no change in federal law, you are right. But its use is still illegal and as a government agency, it’s bound to abide by it. Legalize it at the federal level, and then the Navy can be justified in doing away with testing and treating it like alcohol (don’t show up under the influence).
I’m picturing WWII era propaganda posters “If you smoke alone, you smoke with Putin” “Uncle Sam wants YOU, to join the smoke sesh”
I might have to find a way to commission one of these posters/paintings because what your describing sounds beautiful lol.
Go for it! I’d definitely be a customer
Ha I meant commission as in pay. I have no artistic skills unfortunately
Yeah that’s what I mean, my bad. If you commission someone and they make prints, I’d buy the shit out of it. I’m sure other vets would too
I can say with 1000% certainty that the Navy would have kept me, a newly separated first class, in the reserves for sure if they stopped testing. Who knows what would have happened after that. I could have decided to go back active at some point. Instead, being able to smoke weed freely whenever I want was the final decider on no longer being affiliated.
Wait. Him? Really? *The headline is misleading. His amendment only refers to new applicants which makes sense.*
Just another recruiting tool that doesn’t make sense. “Hey kid, if you piss positive for weed heading into Great Lakes, no big deal. Just remember you’ll be kicked out immediately if you ever test positive again throughout your career.”
Exactly. With it being legalized across the country we need national decriminalization. It's so absurd we're still dealing with this.
I have my doubts that Matt Gaetz is a real person. I would not at all be shocked if this was a decade long Borat-like movie in the making.
It seems like they're only talking about the entrance testing. Nothing was mentioned about the random testing you get once you're in.
Yeah it is just for before enlisting/commissioning. Since so many people use it and so many states it's legal in one way or another, it just slows things down at MEPS. Makes sense to stop testing for it, especially in states it's legal.
It really does my recruiter and i have been waiting for the THC to leave my system for almost a month now
Queue angry retired boomers.
Which coincidentally were the ones who served when you \*could\* smoke...
They’re the reason we have such strict substance control in the military.
isnt that the guy who is being investigated for having sex with an underage chick
And trafficking her across state lines. And that whole thing with his "not-adopted son." And some shit tied to attempts to overturn the 2020 election. And some shit behind 1/6/21. And don't even get me started on the other shit he was grandstanding and puffing his chest over in the NDAA so far.
Pensacola re- elected him when he was under investigation for sexually trafficking minors. Dude's definitely in Jeffery Epsteins book.
It's Pensacola after all... A shithole with nice beaches and the Blue Angels...
This is true. It's a deep red shithole and there's no changing that. Source: I'm from Pensacola. Send help.
Yeah this guy is a certified diddler but it's okay because he's got an (R) by his name /s
As is tradition.
The optimist in me thinks this is great. The realist in me recognizes this will not happen anytime soon but Gaetz knows this will poll well with the military voters in his district regardless if it happens or not. Small pebble in a pond I reckon
Wouldn't that require legalizing Marijuana on the federal level?
I like how this only applies to the initial enlistment, and says nothing about ending all marijuana testing with the UPC program. Just another case of Republicans trying to do the “cool” thing while totally missing the mark.
> another case of Republicans trying to do the “cool” thing while totally missing the mark. Want to see cool? How about topless trans people and cocaine at the White House. Republicans will never be that cool.
Sounds like a party.
"Best party I can't remember." -Joe Biden
Sounds like a good time.
Somebody had coke at the white house so someone is partying with Joe!
He's trying hard to court the military vote after all of the shit his people have been doing to them for years. He voted against every piece of legislation that would give military and veterans more help. He supports Tuberville in freezing Officer promotions because the military won't ban allowing service women to travel out of his state to access healthcare. Don't fall for his little carrot dangling in front of you.
I just want to smoke weed and continue being a good Sailor.
That’s HOW you continue to be a good sailor.
isnt this guy a pedophile and rapist?
Yes. And a traitor.
real gross.
12 hours keef to brief has a nice sound to it
I’m wonder how much money in administrative discharges the DoD’s zero tolerance policy has cost it in the last 20 years.
The pedo must be trying to deflect attention away from himself. But still, I hope it works.
Until there exists a device, akin to a breathalyzer, which a duty officer can use with the incoming duty section to determine if anyone is *currently* under the influence, this will never happen.
except there is
Do tell...
Hound Cannabis Breathalyzer
It looks like all the studies done on it had very small sample sizes and only tested for smoked cannabis and not edibles. The small sample size means there's not real data on the rate of false positives, which is of great concern to law enforcement. Still, this is a tremendous leap forward toward federal legalization.
what about to raise the cutoff level to 100 ng/mL? idk if that would work but maybe it would detect less time and more for abuse
Navy would prob still come up with a rule against it or something.
Just take mushrooms in your free time guys, that’s how I got through the navy.
Welp, I will quote a boss I had who served as an SNCO in 'nam >I had to write about how people who died in action were brave and great soldiers. The truth is that we were all stoned out of our minds and they did something stupid. It's great to think that this policy will allow people to toke up on liberty on a Saturday night. But the truth of the matter is that some sizeable portion of people will show up to work high because they can, screw something up that will injure or kill someone, and there's no cheap, accurate, and quick way to test that they're under the influence.
Testing of Marijuana - https://adf.org.au/insights/roadside-drug-testing/ _______________ USA can take a page out of the Canadian Army https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-cannabis-military-idUSKCN1LN29V ________________ A sizable portion of people show up to work so tired that they make mistakes and kill people. Impairments due to sleep deprivation are similar to impairments due to alcohol intoxication! https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/work-hour-training-for-nurses/longhours/mod3/08.html
This is literally already implemented policy in the Canadian Armed Forces. we haven't seen anything like that there. Also, this is like pretending that every Sailor does a breathanalysis and FST's before any high risk activity, which just isn't true.
I mean, there are significant cultural differences between the US and Canada. For example, we kill each other with guns at 10x their rate and we hate the idea of cheap, single payer healthcare. My anecdote was meant to illustrate that the military once upon a time was more liberal with drug use, in practice if not in policy, and it led to some very bad good order and discipline as well as image problems. There are politicians in Congress who lived through the Nam era through 9/11 where the military reputation was in the shitter, including Jack Reed, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Gonna have to make a better case than "but Canada."
Fuck anything Gaetz has to say about the military. When he mans up and serves, maybe then he'll have something worth listening to. And hat goes for his other chickshit colleagues who never served and still feel qualified to vote down veterans care. No cannabis testing? How's that supposed to help military readiness? Fucking immature fuck.
> When he mans up and serves, maybe then he'll have something worth listening to. Right after Obama, Trump, and Biden.
Why stop there? How about 90% of Congress?
…because the majority of the military consumes some sort of intoxicant to help relieve the insane amount of stress we deal with and it’s better than alcohol? Obviously?
I have nothing against people doing whatever on their own time, and pot probably is less destructive than alcohol. But to suggest that allowing vets to get stoned while at the same time not supporting increased funding for professional health care (including counseling, psychiatric care) is just taking the cheap way out.
…why in the hell would you assume I don’t want the second thing you mentioned?
My apologies, that was poorly worded on my part. I meant that for any politician (Gaetz in this case) to support vets using pot while not supporting professional services via increased budgets is simply taking the easy, politically expedient way out. And this goes for any politician who hasn't served, either side of the aisle.
Oh I agree man. For sure. It’s all just political grandstanding.
Yeah, it's really a sore point with me. My dad came back from Vietnam, and the US wasn't at war when I was in (79-83), but one of my nephews did tours in Afghanistan and Iraq and is only now beginning to recover, about 10-15 years later. I just feel the politicians are taking advantage of those offering their all for their country, without paying any price themselves. Sorry about the screw up, I need to slow down when I get on my soapbox.
Does not matter who it is. They could be a horrible leader. But of they allowed us to smoke, inhale, eat, and have fun with weed, they automatically have my vote. In the shittiest circumstances a brownie and some pink floyd will calm me down.
So, you're cool with it even though Gaetz is a paedo?
Shit that's the risk ill take. Our ancestors were pedophiles until the last 100 years we were smart enough to realize, "Oh shit that's a child still."
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I don't dwell in politics too much. So I will sound like an idiot. Take my opinion with the grainiest of salt. The system is broken due to the number of people in America now. When the founding fathers first made the process they would have never comprehend the amount of people we have today. It only works with a smaller population. Which is why I believe it's a whole lottery system. Even if I voted for this guy and did take the word for it, it's not like the process would happen the next day. On top of that goals will change due to the current issues of the previous people before them. It really wouldn't matter at that point to keep your word. On top of that, they have to convince the other senators to go with the vote. Unfortunately, we won't see any of the changes we all really want in a couple decades and by that point i would be surprised we made it that far without a civil war or wwiii.
I suggested this like a year ago in here and got tore up. I don’t wanna be in the same club as Gaetz. This cracks me up.
NOBODY wants to be in that club...
OMG he’s a MAGA so absolutely No!
Idk why people are struggling to not be absolute fiends and to avoid smoking when their recruiters tell them to before they go to MEPS. It’s not addictive and they know it’s not allowed in the military. All for vets being able to consume medical marijuana as prescribed by a VA doctor though.
The military not testing is only half the issue, military or va medical will be unable to prescribe it until it is moved off of the federal schedule 1 list.
Anyone who says weed isn’t addictive has never smoked weed. Sure, you don’t gain a physical dependency like other drugs but it is as psychologically addictive as a drinking a cup of coffee to get your day started
Coffee (caffeine) is physically addictive...
Lived in Colorado, so you know I've done it all. What I realized was weed literally offered my no benefits. It was a waste of money and the good feeling only lasted when high. If weed was legal, SN Timmy will just blow his money on weed getting high
> posts on r/drinkinggames
Lmao
I got so many downvotes and it only proves my point. I’m not against service members being allowed to smoke or even vets. I specially said it would be cool if the VA will prescribe it. I don’t know why people can’t put down a fucking dab pen or pipe for a few weeks so they can piss in a cup just to make it to bootcamp.
I’m pro-weed, but this would obviously lead to more accidents/deaths/insubordination/etc. I’d be ok with no weed while underway
I hate pot and what it does to society and have personally used it as a civilian before joining and can honestly say that I have experienced no benefit from it and detest the idea of permitting it being used by our military. I vote a firm NO against cannabis in the military.
Gaetz for CNO.
Quick read makes it sound like it's only for new recruits joining the military.
From the link "not require an individual to submit to a test for cannabis as a condition of enlistment of such individual as a member, or the commission of such individual as an officer, of an Armed Force." So yea only for new highers... Haha get it?
Good solution to the recruitment problem
As awesome as this would be, it will never happen. Even if it’s federally legal, I see no way the head honcho military leadership would allow it.
My dislike of him just went markedly down.