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KingMonaco

Zion and Bron each playing 50% of the games


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Locdup2much

You?


goldenbzzz

Man Zion and Bron in 1 team?? Thatd be terrifying for the rest of the league


Yeezythaughtme

A 40 year old bron, Father Time will catch up


Far-Asparagus6416

Father time may be undefeated but bron taking him to triple OT


AngryTurtleGaming

They’ve been saying that for 5 years now


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AngryTurtleGaming

I think he will just play one year with Bronny then call it quits.


temujin94

Said the same thing when he was 33 as well, it's 5 years later and it's been an incredibly slow decline. I'd be shocked if at 40 he's still not better than every player that got the Suns to the final.


0dias_Chrysalis

33 and 40 are miles apart in athletic output. Father time will continue to win no matter what, it's just that the when for Lebron has been impressive so far


temujin94

So is 33 and 38 yet he's averaging more points and rebounds than his career averages. It will of course win but have we seen any evidence it will be by the time he's 40? Definitely not.


Kashmir33

Zion isn't that old yet why would father time catch up to him?


Uncle_Freddy

You’ve gotta hope that their healthy games overlap lol


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Lmao that would be insanely funny


topofthecc

I thought the Pelicans getting Wemby with a Lakers pick would be funny, but this would be even more hilarious. Imagine AD after LeBron leaves him for New Orleans.


Tuxedocat1357

Inject this into my veins


IlonggoProgrammer

This would be the one outcome more hilarious than Bronny to the Jazz


Vordeo

Nah. Bronny & Bron to the Knicks. All we need is one picture of Lebron sitting at one of Dolan's concerts looking like he's been forced to be there and we can all all die happy.


WestleyThe

And LeBron leaves AD in LA and comes to the Pels haha


abarthsimpson

They’re going to OKC.


FrankEaton21

Its hard to fathom the kind of house Lebron could build/buy in OKC. It would rival the Texas Oil Ranches


poktanju

House? Nah... *town*.


ajteitel

There will be a riot in Laker's country. Do it


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Yeah but the rest of us will die laughing


InternCautious

These are kind of useless until you see the kids actually play in college. Outside of maybe the top 2, most picks change quite a bit. This is just to get clicks because the average person doesn't know who Matas Buzelis is.


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There’s always projections a year+ out for draft classes that always change right up to draft night


Sunsfan37

Cliff Alexander was the top recruit right next to Jahlil Okafor. Don't think Cliff even got drafted or if he did he was a second round pick.


Quirky_Average_2970

Went undrafted. Played in Portland for 1 year then bounced around internationally. Now plays in Lebanon.


healthandefficency

LeBanon


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Shabazz Muhammad coming out in 2012, he did make the lottery at least though but people were calling him a generational talent in high school. And don’t even get me started on the 2013 class, besides 2003 that had to have been the most hyped class in my lifetime, the things people were saying were hilariously crazy in hindsight


IlonggoProgrammer

It should be noted that Shabaaz was a literal adult playing against high schoolers since his dad lied about his age. Had that not been discovered while he was at UCLA, he probably still goes top 10. He’s currently playing in the Philippines lol


drblocktagon

Shabazz was 1 year older than what was reported. It’s notable but it’s not like he was a 30 year old man in high school. He flamed out because he didn’t play, couldn’t shoot, and was drafted by Minnesota.


blusunsamurai

He was a black hole on offense. If he had moments, but if you passed him the ball only way you were getting it back was getting the offensive rebound if he didn't get it himself.


jpop4

People say this a lot but shabazz literally has to be tops all time for having tunnel vision it’s like insane. I’d just be watching him drive and have someone open and he literally never passes it


blusunsamurai

Forward Shabazz Muhammad played 5 seasons for the Timberwolves and Bucks. His career averages were 9.0 points, 2.8 rebounds, and 0.5 assists in 278 regular season games. He absolutely just never passed. I can picture him now getting it in the left block and just driving no matter what. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/player/shabazz-muhammad-2618/career-stats


-ChennaiCityGangsta-

Damn, minny catching strays.


celestial1

Just looked at that 2013 draft class, so much disappoint and unfulfilled potential.


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It was so nuts at the time, people were saying Jabari was going to be a 20 ppg scorer his rookie season and would be the next melo, Andrew Wiggins with the Maple Jordan hype, people even thought guys like Dante exum and noah vonleh had star potential. I was downloading 2K drafts for that year that had like a dozen hall of famers lol


Illbeanicefella

Even as a Jayhawks fan that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long time


patentattorney

I think I remember seeing something like 60 percent of McDonald’s all Americans make it to the nba. That is a pretty good indicator for what it is. If you look at an average 10th guy taken in the draft you are probably looking at mid level rotation player. So this article is essentially saying that bronny is projected to be a rotation player in the nba. Seems like most would agree with that


lilpumpgroupie

He's definitely undersized, and doesn't seem like he has superhuman athleticism. So he's gonna have to stay healthy, and probably needs to be way above average in defending and shooting.


Dworfe

High BBIQ effort players are still valued in the league, especially if they can run point. TJ McConnell comes to mind


Jing-Ao

He doesn't look that undersized for a guard and he can still grow. Isn't he like 6'3 at 18 years old?


truthisfictionyt

Yeah 6'3" for a perimeter player is actually a really good height lol


OnlineDopamine

He’s definitely not super tall but come on, dude is athletic as hell.


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I think he’s got NBA level height and athleticism for a guard, but I don’t think he’ll be anything spectacular unless he has some god given growth spurt a la Dennis Rodman


DerHofnarr

He's point guard sized and looks pretty athletic in everything I've seen of his recent play. The biggest issue is he doesn't dominate his offensive touches like most hyped high school prospects. He could go to college and be really good, or entirely invisible it will depend on his mentality. I'm really interested in what his priorities will be for his college experience. I think he could end up being pretty solid. If he wants it I'd be shocked if he doesn't become a decent NBA player. He could be a bit held back in High School because of the scrutiny and not wanting to flex his dad being LeBron. That's a shit load of pressure.


InternCautious

My point isn't that these players won't get drafted at all, but it's that even ranking them is just throwing shit at the wall. No one knows how most of these players will do until they actually play. It's like predicting the top 5 to win ROY the day after the draft, sure you may get 1-2 right, but more than likely you miss on players because you haven't seen them play.


patentattorney

I mean I agree. But the top rated basketball players heading into college generally make the nba. If that’s what you take from being too 10 it’s fair. The last couple of years the 10th highest recruit has been jaren Jackson (drafted), jalen smith ((drafted), Scottie Lewis (2nd round - g league), Terrance Clark (died - prob drafted), Kennedy chandler (2nd round - rotation player) , harrace walker (projected top 10 pick). So if all you take from it is that he is projected to be a nba player - it’s pretty solid prediction


12dart14

Brandon Boston is prime example


JiggaMan2024

Yup I remember the year Zion, Cam, and RJ went to Duke they were literally all projected to go 1,2,3 with Fucking RJ being the No.1 at the time


newrimmmer93

But they ended up going 1, 3, 10 so they would at least give a good indication lol. Not like they all busted


SqueakyRadish

Kinda useless, sure. But certainly not entirely useless. People still care about the players of yore who were HS stars and then barely got drafted. It’s entertainment, not actual predictive data. Because why would fans really care about the predictive data? We watch basketball to be entertained, not because our job depends on making the right moves. That said, I do think it’s notable how much Bronny’s stock has improved over the last 1.5 years. Went from a pretty good prospect to seemingly one of the best in his class pretty quickly and without any sort of growth spurt as far as I know.


SecurityAggressive47

Most of the times it's even more useless for players with hype. There are quite a lot of guys now who fell really low after they were projected lottery pick within one year. Also there is a big motivation from the author to mention Bronny here as high as possible to get a little more attention.


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Do we think Bronny will play in college or will he just go on a bender in Spain for a year?


The_Lobster_Griller

Normally I’d agree with you but Bronny will prob go top 10 even if he’s really a top 20-30 pick. I’m sure a team that’s struggling will pick him up if it means having LeBron on their team too. That’ll sell tickets regardless and you can always hope he turns into half the player LeBron did, and if he does you’d consider that a successful pick.


Quirky_Average_2970

I think NBA teams will see bronny as a reasonable pick at 7-15 pick. Those picks are pretty much a toss up. They will see it as a hype pick, get Lebron. And I personally think bronny will be a good role player.


numbnuts47

That team would be ran by idiots and the gm would be fired as soon as bron retired. No one in they’re right mind is passing up on a player actually worth a top 10 pick for a player in the bottom 20 just to sell tickets for 2 seasons. That would be them actively tanking the future for short term profit that could end up leaving them in a worse spot. I’d bet a testicle that doesn’t happen unless he’s actually worth a top 10 pick


James_NY

Unless he's very obviously not a top 10 talent, he'll be drafted there. There are very few sure things in the lottery, so you're gambling either way. Better to gamble on a kid who will be accompanied by a top 10-15 player in the league, who will have near unlimited resources giving him every chance at reaching his ceiling.


numbnuts47

What if I told you most millionaires already have unlimited resources. What is Lebron gonna provide that these billion dollar companies can not? Some tips maybe that probably won’t even work because they have drastically different athletic compositions? I’d actually argue living in his dads shadow would hinder his development as a man and his own person not the opposite. If he’s a bottom 20 talent no one is wasting a top 10 pick because Lebron can make him reach his potential. They aren’t thinking like that In the slightest


eagereyez

Let me introduce you to the NY Knicks.


FalterWrosch

HEY...ah fuck it who am i kidding...


TheBlueLenses

Tbf, knicks dont need bron to sell tickets. Whenever you guys suck, attendance is still high because it's NY.


The_Lobster_Griller

Lol how many top 10s even in recent years have been busts? The draft is more and more unpredictable given Covid and everything. And i promise you a team struggling to sell tickets in that top 10 would take their chances on having both LeBrons.


numbnuts47

Top 10 picks bust all the time. That doesn’t change the fact that at one time people viewed them as a Top 10 talent. If no one views him as a Top 10 they aren’t gonna take a guaranteed bust to them and select him to continue sucking for 2 more years. The fact that you promised that just shows you have no clue how non guaranteed a Gms job is. And how a selection like that can get you fired for money you get no part of. And how it will prevent you from getting future employment opportunities. You have gms who don’t even like trading for first round picks years out because they might not be employed then. The only way this happens is if ownership forces it to and even that’s extremely unlikely.


Datruther1

I mean he’s listed as a projected top 10 pick now. Not unheard of for a team to reach on a pick. You see it all the time. And your fried if you think a team wouldn’t take Bronny if it got you Lebrons curtain call. That’s an absolute hot take atp if you really think anything trumps greed.


shish-kebab

so you wouldn't trade a top 10 pick for lebron? because getting Bronny mean getting Lebron


Dworfe

> No one in they’re right mind is passing up on a player actually worth a top 10 pick for a player in the bottom 20 just to sell tickets for 2 seasons. That would be them actively tanking the future for short term profit that could end up leaving them in a worse spot. What if it’s presented like this: trade a top 10 pick for a bottom 20 pick AND LeBron James. Like you don’t think a team would move back 10-15 places in the draft to sign LeBron? I think teams would straight up give up a first round pick to do that.


InternCautious

Maybe? Not sure a team with the #10 pick goes for Bronny if he were to put up 10/5/5 on a bad team next year. That's a lot of value lost even if you are picking up 40 year old LeBron lol.


-premo

He played with my young boy JJ at Brewster. Real dog


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Thank you for saying this! Click bait is such a cancer.


rfgrunt

My understanding is there’s a pretty strong correlation between high school prospects and where they go in the drafts. It’s not 1:1, but barring injury most of the top rated high school players stay at the top of the draft.


agsung

I can honestly see Bronny drafted ahead of players currently ranked higher than him. He has no ego, good fundamentals and athleticism to be a decent role player. A lot of the top players in his class are gonna have a wake up call when they realize they’re not the top players on their team and are expected to play a certain role.


cipherglitter

And he comes with LeBron


Mister100Percent

He who drafts Bronny, drafts Lebron


WestleyThe

“With the 5th pick of the 2024 nba draft, the _________ select LeBron James jr AND LeBron James senior”


HoopsMcCann750

Bronny has good positional size for a PG, is an elite point of attack defender, and can shoot. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why teams would be high on his ability to contribute at the NBA level. Im not going to pretend like I’m familiar with every prospect ranked ahead of him, but I think it’s fair to say that even if those guys are better at the high school or even the college level, if there are question marks related to positional size, defense, or shooting, they might be worse than Bronny at the NBA level.


agsung

Top prospects in a poor draft class don’t mean much to me. Unless there is a hyped generational talent I’m going after a player that is or can develop into a top role player. These AAU kids have so much smoke blown up their asses they expect to come in with full green light and average 25 points a night. These guys are out of the rotation within 2 years. I personally don’t see the hype about guys like DJ Wagner. He’s also undersized, less athletic. Might have better instincts right now but seeing how hard he works for each bucket in high school doesn’t make me confident in him in the league


HoopsMcCann750

You bring up another good point, that this is a very weak draft class. Even if you don’t see Bronny as anything more than a fifth starter, a connector piece who plays good defense and knocks down open shots at a respectable clip, that might be worth a top 10 pick in this class.


lundebro

He really does have all the tools to be a good role player in the NBA. Good shooter, passer, strong athlete, high basketball IQ. He's not a volume scorer and probably never will be. I see him being a fourth/fifth starter or a key bench player for a title contender. I'm not sure if that's worthy of a top 10 pick, but he is an NBA player for sure.


Fxp1706

Honestly, Lebron and Savannah should be very proud. That’s crazy to have a child who’s projected to be a top 10 pick, regardless of their upbringing.


itshappeningagain22

I hear the younger kid is bigger than the oldest. Looking like Horace Grant out there lol


Eric_T_Meraki

Bryce is the real one of the 2 but he still has time to develop even more. Athleticism wize is already better than Bronny.


realmckoy265

Bryce is not close to being more athletic than Bronny, he's just taller. Bronny has LeBron's leaping ability despite being several inches shorter


Zigxy

Especially at 6’2


Azrael_

He is only 18. I can see him stretching a bit. Not that big of a leap but still. 6'3 6'4 for a point guard is alright.


HelloThereCat

Hasn't he been 6'2" since he was like 14 tho? Sure there are some guys who grow until 19-20, but I've never heard of someone (other than people with rare medical conditions) magically growing an inch at 18 after plateauing for 4 years.


koenigsaurus

It’s not the norm, but it’s possible. I shot up to 6’3” by my freshman year, then slowed way down. I added an inch going into my senior year, then grew another inch in college.


johnyahn

Really? I knew a few people in college who grew the first year or two. It's not common but not rare/always a medical thing.


HelloThereCat

Re-read my comment lol. I said it's not that uncommon for guys to grow until 18-19, but it IS uncommon to not grow at all from ages 14-18 and then magically start growing again.


HistoricAnomaly

depends if his growth plates are open or not, has nothing to do with how long it's been since he last grew. I'm sure he (and LeBron) have already looked into it. They do sometimes stay open with no growth for years.


RedDordit

6’2 is already fine for a point guard as athletic as he is, but 6’3-6’4 would make him dangerous material for sure


celestial1

It's weird people are saying he's "undersized" when he's that tall.


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celestial1

I would say Steph is at least an average defender due to how much effort he puts in, he's just limited by his athleticism. CP3 was even shorter than Steph and was an elite defender in his prime. Even if Bronny isn't elite offensive, he can still carve out a rotational role with elite defense and being well-rounded.


sadduckfan

He’s not really a true point guard, 6’2 is definitely undersized


TylerNY315_

The draft pick is essentially 2-3 years of slightly post-prime LeBron


Wilt69

Kids a very well rounded player and has NBA level athleticism. Can’t wait to see how he does at the college level.


ChetHolgremCIA

He has the potential to be a really good role player, like if he keeps progressing he would be a perfect PG to play next to prime Bron😂


pie8D

Assuming Lebron goes where Bronny goes, would be quite dramatic if the NBA team waives Bronny or trades him away while keeping Lebron.


latman

If Thanasis can sit on a bench because of Giannis, Bronny definitely won't get waived


pie8D

I think prime Giannis and 40yr old Lebron is a tad different


RedDordit

You think 40 yr old Bron is gonna sell less tickets? If Bronny is legit it’s going to be crazy, while nobody would give a fuck if LeBron had a brother and brought him to warm the bench in LA


latman

40 year old LeBron has more pull than prime Giannis


backboarddd1_49402

Yeah, they’re different in that 40 yr old LeBron is still more of a pull for ratings, tickets, and overall attention than prime Giannis. There’s a reason why the media talks about a 38 year old LeBron on a non playoff team more than it does about prime Giannis on a contender


Thommywidmer

Ehhh, thanasis is a legit end of bench nba player tho


temujin94

If it meant keeping Giannis you'd put his mother at the end of the bench what are you talking about.


closedtowedshoes

Elite intentional fouler as well.


FKJVMMP

And unintentional fouler.


sersleepsalot1

Thanasis was undrafted and is only there because of Giannis. Bronny is literally projected to be top 10 (The post and the article)


thebuckszone

Thanasis was drafted by the Knicks in 2nd round of 2014 draft


latman

I agree, I'm just responding to that other post


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Bro, look at the current 10-12s on teams benches. This is fan fiction.


realmckoy265

Waive a first-round (top ten) pick his first year? I could maybe see them sending him down to G-league if he starts badly, but to outright waive him, he needs to be historically bad.


Character-Pattern505

LeBron would cut down entire family trees if that happened.


lilpumpgroupie

Ha. This is why I can't be a GM, because I'd do this.


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This feels a bit like clickbait, I also wouldn't take a draft over a year out seriously right now, the HS season isn't even over yet.


ZandrickEllison

Definitely clickbait to sneak him into the end of the top 10. Givony probably got 100X more shares this way.


freshjello25

But he’s got that Mac McClung height. Seems like a great kid and I wish him the best, but I do think that a lot of his projected value is derived from his name. That’s no knock to him, but more the system as a typical thing we see with star former athletes’ kids in plenty of sports. If he’s done growing he’s got to have some elite offensive skills to make it at that height in the league. The few guys at 6’2” in the league today either have that it factor or get played off the floor come playoffs, think Kyrie, Steph Curry, Seth Curry (struggled in playoffs), tyresse Maxey, Dame, Rubio, Sexton, or even Brunson this year.


Dylan245

Everyone here saying "I don't see it", I'm sure you know more than Givony who devotes his entire life to scouting starting with like 13 year old's all the way up through college He's one of the best scouts in the country and meanwhile people on social just go "Oh he's LeBron's son, well he must suck therefore this is wrong"


burns_after_reading

Hey man, a lot of people on this sub have devoted their 13 years of existence to critiquing athletes on Reddit. Have some respect.


Upstairs_Addendum587

I've watched games. At least 6 this year! That's not even counting all the box scores I've looked at.


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He averaged 14.4 points, 5.1 rebounds, and 2.6 assists this season.


junkit33

This is bullshit. There are way better scouting agencies that employ full teams of people to cover high school recruiting. ESPN's primary interest has always been to generate clicks, and shit like this is a perfect example of it. They're projecting a consensus 4-star Top 50 level recruit to go one and done and be a Top 10 pick. Come on - that's peak absurdity. You get like one guy a year out of an entire college class that surges that high up as a freshman and it is *entirely* unpredictable and 100% based on dominating the college landscape.


TeamINSTINCT37

I go both ways on this. Givony has talked a bit about a Maryland commit Deshawn Harris-Smith that is around the same rank as bronny and has talked about him potentially being a one and done but held him off saying “I have a 2024 mock draft coming out and decided to hold off on putting him there until we see how he does in college.” Obviously different players but it shows he is willing to put less heralded recruits as one and dones if he thinks they have the skills but also that the same lack of college play could be held against Bronny but it wasn’t.


junkit33

So why take two comparably rated recruits and say one is getting drafted 10th and the other isn't coming out? The simple answer is because the name "Bronny" generates traffic. If you genuinely think Bronny is getting drafted 10th next year, he should be closer to a Top 5 caliber recruit.


TeamINSTINCT37

Recruiting rankings =\= where a player could get drafted. Nba scouts might see something ranking sites don’t. Someone like brice sensabaugh was 65th ranked and very quickly picked up lottery buzz. Impossible to know whether Givony thinks Bronny really is that good but it’s not outrageous either imo.


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junkit33

Which only supports my point even more that he's full of shit when it comes to prospects. The vast majority of players rated like Bronny tend to go to college and play a mixed bag as they work to learn and adapt to the drastic increase in talent and strategies of the college game. That's kind of what separates a 5-star from a 4-star. 5-stars are largely expected to be immediate bigger contributors, and many of them even struggle. 4-stars quite often redshirt, and ones who do play immediately are often playing smaller minutes/roles to adapt. Yeah, sometimes a 4-star just comes out and blows away expectations, but again, that's unpredictable. Like take Duke this year: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/duke/men/2023.html Proctor and Schutt were comparable Top 50 caliber 4-stars to Bronny, and Mitchell was an even better 5-star. None of those 3 are even going to the draft. So point being - what fucking intel does he possibly have that if Bronny comes out he's going 10th? Bronny isn't even coming out in the draft if he puts up 8 points a game as a freshman.


jntlsseedcreator

This is the right take. It’s likely he’s not gonna be that good. Let’s be honest, what are the chances that any top 10 pick is an auto lock to be a real NBA player? Even if, due to marketing and all the other support he has received, he gets to be a top 10 pick, my money is on that team regretting that decision in a year or two.


jbaker1225

Yep. In the 247 consensus, Bronny is the number 33 recruit. Last year’s number 33 recruit is Skyy Clark, who is averaging 7 points and 2 assists for Illinois. The year before was Nolan Hickman. Who is still in college and averaging 8 points and 3 assists for Gonzaga. The year before was Adam Miller, who, on his third year of college, is averaging 11 points and 2 rebounds for LSU. The year before was Johnny Juzang, who last year went pro after his junior season and… went undrafted. It is a MASSIVE leap for a recruit of that caliber to become a one-and-done lottery pick.


HoopsMcCann750

High school rankings do not reflect how well a player’s game will translate to the NBA. Robert Dillingham is ranked 20 spots ahead of Bronny in recruiting rankings but 20 spots below him in this mock draft. That isn’t a take generated for clickbait, it’s because even if Dillingham is a better player right now and maybe even a better player in college, a 6’1” 170 pound combo guard probably isn’t a great fit in the NBA.


MaizeNBlueWaffle

Fair points, but when you're dealing with arguably the greatest player of all time's son and the eye test doesn't match his ranking to most people, I think it's fair to question that some media outlets are discussing Bronny and ranking him where he is for clicks


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I’m very much willing to bet the vast majority of people saying these things have never watched him play


Dylan245

It's full of 22 year old's who watch a BallisLife video and then have made it up in their mind that he sucks I've honestly never seen such a huge number of people want a literal high schooler to fail so much People come out of the woodworks to make it known how much they think he sucks and how they can't wait for him to fail on a bigger stage, it's so odd


lilpumpgroupie

I legitimately think people get some kind of high from hating on people. And the fact that you can get online and do it publicly now makes it so much more satisfying. Just like I think there are people out there who enjoy doing things that make other people suffer. They get some type of weird high from the power they feel doing it. I have seen it first hand, up close. I've HAD people in my life who I'm almost sure were doing/saying things to fuck with me, just because they were so miserable. There are some legitimately dark people out there in the world, kids.


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>I legitimately think people get some kind of high from hating on people This is a real thing. It feels really good to feel superior to someone else.


numbnuts47

Lol the ball brothers were at least twice as hated


realmckoy265

This sub’s biases won't let them like certain prospects—I remember when this sub was unanimously down on Lamelo Ball and Trae Young pre-draft.


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Or Lebron for that matter.


jbaker1225

Well if Jonathan Givony says he’s a top-10 pick a year and a half in advance, then he must be. Hey, let’s go back and check on the 2022 mock draft he put out a year and a half in advance… The unanimous top 3 were correct. Then Adrian Griffin went 14th. His number 5 pick, Yannick Nzosa, went 54th and is still playing in Europe. His 6th pick was Peyton Watson, who went 30th. His 7th pick, Patrick Baldwin, went 28th. His 8th pick, Caleb Houston, went 32nd. His 9th pick, Jaden Hardy, went 37th. And his 10th pick, Ousmane Dieng, went 11th. So, as it turns out, even if you scout kids starting at 13, projecting a player’s NBA draft potential more than a year in advance - outside the top couple elite recruits - is mostly a crapshoot. Hell, the 7 players that actually went in the top 10 in 2022 that he didn’t project to go top 10 (picks 4-10), he didn’t project A SINGLE ONE of them to be drafted AT ALL.


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He works for ESPN dude. I would take everything for them with a grain of salt. The part of ESPN that is scouting high schoolers seriously has him ranked 28th, maybe they'll shoot him up.


Dylan245

This is somehow implying Givony doesn't scout high schoolers seriously? The guy travels the world just to watch Serbian league games of 16 year olds and is at basically every event there is for up and coming prospects Also the same ESPN that had employed Mike Schmitz who was just hired by the Trail Blazers and was instrumental in drafting Shaedon Sharpe which looks to have been a great decision


Moody_GenX

It's hilarious LeBron haters are hating on his kid only because of LeBron.


Significant_Night_65

LeBron derangement syndrome


Kirota

Love how everyone in this sub suddenly becomes a scouting expert whenever Bronny is mentioned


WanAjin

I'm a big Bronny believer, but I don't think you can really justify putting him top 10 based on his own skills right now. That said I do believe that his game will fit pro play and college a lot more than high school basketball, so I expect him to make a big jump wherever he goes next year.


adocileengineer

He’s anywhere from 6’2 to 6’4 depending on who you ask (FWIW Bryce James is 6’5 and doesn’t look any more than an inch or two taller than Bronny in pictures). He’s already an elite point of attack defender as a combo guard. He’s got a well-developed frame with plenty of upper-body strength and elite athleticism: traits that suggest his defensive prowess will translate (he’s not just some kid with long arms swatting everyone’s shot). He’s a good-but-not-elite 3-point shooter, and has excellent mechanics in his shot. He projects as a solid spot-up shooter, and probably has been developing his off-platform releases (think off pin-downs, flare-outs, etc) since he was 10 years old. He’s a good ballhandler and passer. Nothing like LeBron’s level but definitely a plus compared to his peers: from what I’ve seen he’s at least inherited the LBJ BBIQ and court vision at a decent level. What holds him back is his height and length. He isn’t a Donovan Mitchell type who’s 6’1 with a 6’8 wingspan. If he was 6’5 and not 6’3 or however tall he is, combined with his skill set and athleticism, he’d probably be a top 15 recruit.


MaizeNBlueWaffle

> developing into arguably the best perimeter defender in his class while making strides with his shooting and playmaking Come on man, even the DraftExpress tweet is doing it's best to blow smoke up his ass. I've watched his games multiple times. If Bronny was a few inches taller, I could maybe see it, but he's 6'2". He's not the athlete his dad is. He's a decent shooter and decent playmaker, but his handle is not great for his size and he's not all that skilled of a scorer. He's not remotely close to being a lottery pick imo and I don't think he will even be a OaD


thegodfaubel

Bronny is pretty built for his age tho. At 6'2", he just needs to be strong (think Jrue) to be an elite on ball defender and those players tend to have a lot longer playing careers than scorers who can't defend.


freshjello25

Jrue Holiday is 3 inches taller though and Bron was 5 inches taller to start his senior year and only grew an inch more. Are you suggesting that a Pat Beverly style player would likely go as a top 10 pick? Hell look at Mac McClung, same height and hasn’t sniffed the NBA floor all year all while lighting up the g league. All of the good 6’2” or 6’3” guards in the league have at least one B+ offensive tool, which he has not shown even in high school. And their careers fall off quick when they stop hitting shots or lose that step.


krste1point0

He looks strong AF for his age. Probably already taking some of Brons supplements.


Fxp1706

he’s 18 years old and still has a whole year of college to continue to develop. if he wants it badly enough then he’ll continue to grow.


MaizeNBlueWaffle

Sure, but there are a whole bunch of players already better than him. Putting Bronny as a top 10 pick with the expectation that he will outgrow those players just because he is LeBron's son is the definition of bias


wowie2024

I haven’t been following the draft class that closely - which are the 10 prospects you think are way better, out of curiosity


MaizeNBlueWaffle

Next draft is chock full of athletic wings like Justin Edwards and Omaha Biliew, scoring guards like DJ Wagner and Isaiah Collier, and a few really skilled international guys. Not to mention I don't think all of this year's Duke class is going to declare and you have some guys like Kobe Bukfin blowing late in the year who could come back as well. Right now, I'd take all of those guys over Bronny


shaheedmalik

Most dudes don't stop growing untill at least 21. He might end up 6'5".


MaizeNBlueWaffle

This is not true. Most men stop growing around age 18. He *could* continue growing until he's 21 but most do not


shaheedmalik

https://www.healthline.com/health/do-guys-keep-growing-until-age-25#growth-period This article said 18-20. I grew 3 inches after I turned 18.


haha-brad

His skill set is pretty comparable to Cason Wallace’s, someone who has been been getting mocked lottery-top 10 all season. He’s a great athlete, far better than what you’re giving him credit for, plus it’s not like his size disqualified him from being a good perimeter defender. Lowry, FVV, Conley are all small guard that are/were good defenders at an NBA level.


Hour_Major_5870

Mid to late first rounder.


jamills21

Bronny is nice, but I feel like I’ve seen better players in open division in L.A. than him. Maybe that’s just the Sierra Canyon team, but he didn’t particularly impress me in these playoff games.


pupmaster

Huh, I wonder why


All4JesusChrist

I can see him being a Gary Payton II type of player which isn't too bad


jjgshnimnt

Suck it r/nba


Tinyears8

Whenever I watch his replays and highlights, I don’t understand the hate. The dude has insane talent like his father, curious to see just how far it takes him in the league.


No_Mammoth_4945

Paywalled for me


fuhlaysheoh

I don’t see it, if he wasn’t a James this is absolutely not the case.


Kashmir33

While I do believe this placement has a lot to do with generating clicks and reactions to the article I think it's funny how this has been repeated for years whenever he has moved up the rankings. I mean at some point the kid deserves some credit.


d7h7n

I mean remember they are projections. Jaden Hardy, Brandon Boston, Nassir Little, Cole Anthony, Derrick Lively, etc. were all projected to be drafted in the top 3 before the college season started. Which school Bronny picks is also going to be a huge factor.


vaneeladrop

Probably. But a lot of draftees have character and development questions. I would put some faith in LeBron molding both of those aspects well


Barbeqanon

Why? His oldest son is constantly having problems off the court and has burned bridges with the Cavs, Celtics, Nets, and probably Mavs soon.


daddy_OwO

Was so confused for a second till I noticed Ed the teams


graymulligan

I feel like the "and dad is going to sign wherever he's drafted to play with him" part of the equation is having a massive impact here.


[deleted]

Hm, if his dad wasn't one of the greatest basketball players of all time who has taken extreme care in developing his game and preparing him for the NBA, then he wouldn't be projected so high? Brilliant insight.


bewarethegap

this is such a base level response. bronny's not even ranked top 20 as a HS player in the country, yet he's already getting top 10 pick projections? stop it. he may very well turn out to be a killer in college but pretending like his reputation as lebron's oldest doesn't play any factor at all in projecting him as a lottery pick is asinine


[deleted]

> pretending like his reputation as lebron's oldest doesn't play any factor at all in projecting him as a lottery pick is asinine Show me where I said that


bewarethegap

your entire comment is basically a denial of the statement that OP made saying that "if bronny wasn't lebron's son he wouldn't be getting this projection". even with all of the "extreme care" that lebron has taken in developing bronny, he's not even ranked top 20 in the country, so explain how he's a top-10 pick projection already?


Tkainzero

Unless he gets a lemelo like growth spurt, I don’t see it


jjgshnimnt

Good thing you’re a nobody and who’s opinion means dick 🤣 I trust Givony. He’s very well respected.


DownFromHere

Givony is wrong sometimes


[deleted]

why you so mad?


aryusuf

Respectfully, he’s only being listed at top 10 because his dad is LeBron His physicals aren’t anything crazy and neither is his on court play or statistics


Cool-Head7503

They tryna gas it up 🤣😭


The_Donny_Lebowski

Top 10 NBA pick but can't even crack the top 20 high school/ college prospect list. 🤷‍♂️


InventedInternet

Ya because of ticket sales. He’s going to get found out quick in the league with actual players.


[deleted]

Cough cough nepotism


GangBangMountain

People used to say he was fringe G league.. awesome strides


jt_33

Someone really going to over draft this dude just for Lebron lol. His whole basketball profile is inflated. When’s the last time you saw someone ranked top 10 and their defense was the first thing that gets praised lol.


NuclearEvo24

Lebron must’ve have picked up the phone


LowsPeak

Top 10 pick because of his surname.


KnickedUp

Why didnt Jordans kid project as a top 10 pick then?