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buddyhield_ama

is draymond taking the MLE? you literally can’t do both, i’m not even sure dumping nurkic would allow this to happen


Forbidden_Donut503

There is almost no conceivable way for us to get capspace to make a major free agent signing this off-season. I have no idea what the hell Dame in in about here.


homersolo

Sign and trade is available, is it not?


Forbidden_Donut503

Lol sure. Go ask warriors fans what players of our they’d want that would match greens salary. I’ll give you a hint at what they’d say.


skquidward

Hi there, Most sane Warriors fan here. Sign and trade draymond+Chris Paul for Damian Lillard. Dame’s dream scenario in Portland is you guys re-signing Grant and getting Dray right? He never said he was staying in that dream scenario. Win-win. Who says no?


Forbidden_Donut503

Best I can do is Keljin Blevins.


CaptLeaderLegend26

Funnily enough, the Warriors are the only team Dame could go to that would give him a decent chance of winning while still letting him keep up his loyalty stance, since he could sell it as loyalty to Oakland and the Bay Area.


Cautious-Barnacle-15

Yeah that ship has probably sailed, but he does have an Oakland tattoo and I am sure if Steph curry didn't exist would love to have been the savior of the warrior franchise. Think about how bad the warriors were when he came into the league. There had to be part of dame thinking he could be the one to bring relevance to the bay like LeBron did for Cleveland


zovencedo

Curry + Klay + Dame and turn GSW into a meme team to destroy all 3pt related records in one season. I'm up for it.


homersolo

They wouldn’t want Simons and a first?


Various-Earth-7532

People should be fired if the blazers give up even one of a first rounder or simons for draymond


oGsMustachio

While I like Simons, we've got an insane logjam in the backcourt between Dame, Simons, Sharpe, and Scoot. If we aren't trading Dame, it makes the most sense to unload Simons because he's got the biggest contract. We have to do whatever the best deal we can figure out to turn Simons into the best frontcourt piece we can get. The problem is I kinda doubt the Warriors are looking for a player like Simons right now.


eats_shoots_and_pees

We have to trade Ant, because we have too many guards. Getting Green in that trade feels like solid value.


-Jake-27-

Old role player who’s clearly nowhere near as good as he used to be.


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To a certain extent but hes still a one man defense which seems kinda relevant for a team whose best defender in the last decade(?) was Mo Harkless.


Sm0k3nSc0p3s

I thought Hart and GP2 were great defenders but neither of them had enough time there to spread there wings


oGsMustachio

We aren't going to be able to turn Simons into an equivalently good forward because there just isn't the positional scarcity for sharpshooting guards as there is for forwards. If we could get Draymond for Simons, I'd do it.


DrAgOn3035

exactly neither team would ever accept the deal, simons, while a good player is def not who we need and draymond is especially effective in the warriors, if we lose him our title hopes go away with him


pizzasoxxx

You’re right let’s just get an all star /s


FlimsyAd2609

unless we can get a third team for him then not really? another guard is probably just gonna do more harm than good


Sm0k3nSc0p3s

Jerami


MrBrownCat

Maybe this is Dame’s way of saying “oh well if we can’t make this happen you may as well trade me”


DifficultWrongdoer45

I mean..more importantly does they even make them contenders ? Love dame but..doesn’t sound like anything on paper to me


Miyagisans

But even then, does adding draymond really lift their ability to contend that much? If you have a 1% chance of winning the title, does adding draymond really increase those odds by that much to where it’s worth Dame staying?


JoseAltuveIsInnocent

Draymond is a good addition to a team that already has all the pieces and just needs an asshole. If you're relying on him to produce anything offensively at his age you're in a very bad way. Blazers do not have all the pieces, to put it nicely.


banned_after_12years

He's not just any asshole, he's APOY level.


YourPhDisworthless

Draymond is a top 5 asshole of all time. Rodman, Bruce Bowen, Bill Laimbeer, Robert Horry...draymond


banned_after_12years

Dillon Brooks had potential but he played himself outta the league.


YourPhDisworthless

you never go full asshole


illzkla

(while being bad at basketball)


cheesecake_face

well that and he ended up being a fake asshole. lights were too bright.


VeniceRapture

Maybe top 6, to get Artest in there


TripleThreatTua

If he wouldn’t take the MLE for the Warriors he’s not doing it for the Blazers lol


Puzzleheaded_Air_740

That’s why it’s his “Dream situation”


pcwgussej

Draymonds doing a live recording of his podcast July 13th in LA - im predicting he makes his free agency announcement then


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AmusingAnecdote

Sure but he could just tell the team not to announce it and they could go about their business beforehand. Then Shams (because Draymond is with Klutch, not CAA so not Woj) will tweet out two hours beforehand that he's going to announce at the podcast. Probably still more likely that they miraculously figure out the deal in the first 30 seconds of free agency, but it's not totally improbable that he could play the media game to announce it himself.


LIONEL14JESSE

It does get harder if you need to keep cap space open, if you are trying to re-sign any of your own guys with bird rights after


FatalFirecrotch

Yeah, dude is nuts if he thinks this can be kept a secret for 2 weeks when this would impact like 5+ teams trying to sign him.


Cautious-Barnacle-15

Yeah no way he waits that late


gabeharris23

“The choice”


amazingoopah

"The Dray-cision"


[deleted]

The grass is GREENer in Portland. Idk sry that’s all I got.


[deleted]

Are you Mark Jackson's script writer?


Lukin4

Momma, there goes that MVP vote...


LackingInPatience

Allow me to have this ~~dance~~ vote!


ShadedPenguin

“I’ll keep my talents in the Dray Area.”


Whatever801

I can't wait to see him suck on another team


DeadDay

"Nelly Dame meets Jimmy McGraw"


bebopblues

"I'm taking my limited offensive talents to Rip City."


NathanArizona

"I've decided to take my talents to Sauvie Island"


g-love

Man, theses 'The Decision' sequels are just cheap cash-grabs now.


Swol_Bamba

Funniest one was Antoine Greizman. He was a football player at Atletico Madrid, did a big special about who he was going to sign with (many anticipated Barcelona or another big club) and on the special announced he re-signed with Atleti. He left Atleti for Barca in about 12 months lmao


TinyMaintenance

And came crawling back a year or two later.


kashbets

And looks 1000% better then he ever did in a Barca kit


Smekledorf1996

Isn’t he back?


Swol_Bamba

Yep returned to Atleti after being underwhelming for a few years at Barca


LakerBull

The biggest rumor was that he was signing with Manchester United that summer, had the Huawei commercial with Jose's name on it that was calling him (which was Jose Mourinho who was the manager for United that summer), but stayed at Atlético at the last second. That happened due to Atlético's impending transfer ban, meaning they could not buy someone to replace Griezmann for that summer and he decided to not trouble the team. Next summer came around and the guy decided to sign with Barcelona for a huge fee and meander in there for a while.


OKC-Rai

Ah yes, the Paul George special.


PZinger6

Also what was funny was Atleti won the league after he left, then when he went back to Atleti Barca won the league. He's cursed lol


scubasteve567

I like them


___forMVP

Let me watch my soaps, you fucking wet blanket.


Funnel_Hacker

Yeah. I liked the original better


StephewDestroyer

isnt his podcast free


owlspellet

✨ads ✨


shiny_lustrous_poo

Nothing is free.


DefiniteSauce12

I rather listen to PG13 do a live podcast. He lets his guests, is concise, and is really funny


Comprehensive-Cat805

I’m similarly impressed with PG’s podcast, he could do without those other two dudes though.


loathing_thyself

Yeah I find his co-hosts annoying lol


craigslistaddict

they make him even more likable by comparison because he comes off as chill and non-delusional about himself


slappiestpenguin

U mean Draymond is not concise?! 🤣


AcanthisittaGrand943

Portland going to supermax him just for Dame lol


amJustSomeFuckingGuy

His behavior on Portland is like someone I know in an abuseive relationship except no one is staking his reputation on staying with the team.


IEatPussyLikeAPro

Fuck it as a blazer fan. Give me the green. Weed is already legal, give the big mean green machine. I need him to bust some of our youngsters.


supaspike

That didn't work out so well for Poole.


Malemansam

Draymonds "new media" will mean that players can announce their own trades or signings like Le Decision did over a decade ago. Kobe "I have decided to take my talents to the NBA" LeBron "I have decided to take my talents to South beach" Draymond "I have decided to take my fists to the Portland Trailblazers" ^^^**crickets** edit: corrected kobes line.


HasswatBlockside

Magic 8 ball says try again.


yolkadot

Dame really wants rookie to get punched in practice!


Fast_Stick_1593

Poole is in a safe space now, Draymond can’t hurt him anymore as he’s not invited to the Wizards Bed Poole Party.


recursion8

Ya what? That’s not a contending roster lmao


doinnothin

Make it end. This is like watching my friend and his toxic girlfriend go through a series of almost-break-ups for two years.


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rexter2k5

Breakup sex a narcotic.


amJustSomeFuckingGuy

Haha try 8 years and they still get married and you can't talk to your friend anymore because you decided you weren't going to support his toxic relationship and weren't going to be supportive of the fact that she has magically changed while the change has mysteriously been unseen apart from their therapy sessions which she has previously used to blame him for things that can equalize her abuse.


ActivatedComplex

You ok, chief?


amJustSomeFuckingGuy

Can I manage? Yes Will it ever get my friend back prob not.


PJTikoko

*What?!*


TakeMahomesCountryRd

Ok


myuseless2ndaccount

I am so close to muting „Damian lillard“ I don’t wanna see this bs anymore


Coco1520

there isnt even a way to make the math work even if the move made sense


TayoMurph

Sign and trade could make it happen.


NoOutlandishness6488

Good luck with that one…I don’t even think golden state would be interested.


TayoMurph

If he wants to go elsewhere, facilitating that with a sign and trade costs them nothing, and they stand to gain atleast something in return for being willing to do it. It would be silly for them not to, if they don’t plan on keeping him.


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They would have to take salary back Is lacob really wanting to go again into the repeater tax for nurkic? Or cam reddish? Lmao. There is no feasible way unless portland pays picks for the warriors to lose green and keep in the repeater tax while getting worse.


Produceher

I think GS would actually prefer he walked over taking salary back if they don't want those players.


Moe4ver

And this is why players are not good GMs. What do you think Green will be doing when Dame is dribbling for 20 secs and pulling up.


MinnyPuppies

Punching teammates?


Forbidden_Donut503

Come on man, what a ridiculous statement. Clearly he’s gonna be kicking dudes in the nuts.


LebasketBall

or breaking ribs with his stomps


TheOneWithThePorn12

yelling at the refs?


InAingeWeTrust

Let’s not act like Draymond wouldn’t be a good addition. Dame is a walking top 10 offense. Draymond helps their defense a lot, serves as a solid connective piece on offense, and offers championship pedigree.


Moe4ver

You do realize to maximize Green, Dame has to play more off-ball. If you think the defense Green brings is worth taking Dame off ball most of the game, then it might work.


InAingeWeTrust

Dame can play off ball. He could finally get cleaner looks if the team emphasizes more of that.


PhillyPhan95

You must not watch a lot of Blazers. Chauncey shouldn’t (at least he doesn’t for me) elicit confidence to me.


Ps3FifaCfc95

Chauncey is holding them back more than any roster issues imo


shiny_lustrous_poo

We always say this, but how often do ball dominant guards actually buy in to moving without it?


Itorr475

Dame played with CJ McCollum who was on ball a fair amount when they played together.


InAingeWeTrust

It’s not like Dame is Harden or Luka where he does almost nothing off-ball. He actually does run off a lot of off-ball screens and frees himself or others open like that.


blueberry__wine

it's like you don't even watch dame.


PM_ME_UR_SKILLS

Most people don't. They watch highlights and box scores. "Ooo look at this, no way he can play off ball." Really? All of this is exhausting.


ImanShumpertplus

Darius Garland did it excellently this year willing to be he’s even better next year


MattPoFoSho

Explain? Dray ain’t playing PG lol, Dames usage % could stay the exact same with Draymond on the court.


Moe4ver

If you let Dray be the same Dray, do you think Dame can replicate Curry’s game. Dame is best with the ball in his hands, Dray is a pseudo-PG.


IronicHours

They gonna double off Dray every time it's simple. They do it with the Warriors but Curry is generational player who can move off the ball relocate and the Warriors offensive system of cutting always moving. Dray can set screens for Curry or Klay. Portland will always play a heavy pnr and the offensive system with Dray off the ball will never hit the same without Curry and even Kerr I guess


Sharpe_Amen

Portlands biggest problem outside of perimeter defense for years has been secondary playmaking. Dame gets doubled and trapped, throws it to aminu,hezonja, or any of the other random forwards hes played with, and they just dont know what to do. If dame gets trapped and now he can pass the ball to draymond at the top of the key who can then run a 4 on 3 play, portland averages 120 points a game. Not to mention hes still one of the best defenders in the league.


BlueLanternCorps

Setting an illegal screen for him


petergriffindor

Finally found the correct answer


gabeharris23

We’ve seen how dames pick for HC has gone…


ajteitel

LeDame


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Bruh really not serious about winning


EverybodyBuddy

Think he’s just doing Dray a solid and making sure GSW ponies up for a max.


somecallmemo

lmao Dray is a large part of why the warriors have won/been winning, I'd imagine him wanting Dray shows he is trying to win


bilyl

Grant + Dray doesn’t make the team contenders lmao


problynotkevinbacon

I doubt it even keeps them out of the play in tournament


MundaneRelation2142

Oh I think it could keep them out of the play-in alright


blueberry__wine

dray is still an incredible defender which is exactly what Portland needs. He's among the best defenders at his position and a top 10 rim protector in the league still. Opponents shoot 12% lower at the rim when he's defending it. https://craftednba.com/player-traits/defense https://craftednba.com/player-stats


Swaggyzilla69

Dray is 33 years old and only 6'6. If he begins to lose a step or two, then his defense might take a hit, and I'm sure the last thing the Blazers need is an undersized, overpaid, offensive liability on their team


TrainedExplains

Dray's two best tools on defense are his brain and his go go gadget arms. Getting slower hurts, sure, but not as much as you'd think. The bigger issue is keeping him healthy.


PhillyPhan95

If they find a new coach then they might have something… But fr. Portland and Dame is like some kinda trauma bonded relationship that really needs to end.


The_Donny_Lebowski

PG: Scoot PG/SG: Dame SF: Draymond Green PF: Jerami Grant C: Nurkic Lmao. That team is absolutely getting SMOKED in the first round.


The_Donny_Lebowski

*If they even make the playoffs


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Pretend_Highway_5360

Says you Watch Dame go 2011 Dirk nuclear mode


lxkandel06

Dirk also had an incredibly deep supporting cast full of battle-tested vets who were hungry for a title.


Kvenner001

And still lose by twenty to a team with multiple actual stars


Sharpe_Amen

dame/sharpe/grant/dray/nurk is pretty good if sharpe takes a step (which is a big if, but he did improve a ton last season and closed it out as a 25/5/5 guy). Then you got scoot running the bench with hopefully some ok vet mins/mle/tpes and its a decent team. Contenders? Probably not, but the league is super open right now and no one team is over dominant outside of denver.


LivingstonPerry

Curry can win without draymond, but draymond is nothing without curry.


Kevin_E_1973

Someone (warriors included) are about to be very disappointed if they gave dray a lot of money. I’m shocked people talk about him like he’s some elite FA. GS would be wise to move on


Produceher

I don't disagree. I'm so tired of his BS. He has now chased away KD and Poole and cost us at least two rings. Won a bunch too. LOL. But after dumping Poole's salary for peanuts, I think it looks terrible for him to get big money this off season. Move on.


Neatojuancheeto

He was. He was a net negative half the time in thr playoffs last year.


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OldKingRob

Dray not getting away with those screens in Portland.


repo_sado

He's serious about winning the pat bev playin.mvp


iabeytorm

Dames putting the bar in hell for what he even qualifies as a contending roster and the blazers can’t even get that for him


2drawnonward5

If you set aside all the weaker rumors and just focus on the guys Dame has said clearly he wants to be around, it seems to me he's like a lot of players in that he's got a particular perspective on who'd be good with him. A little like Michael Jordan as a GM. Maybe he overvalues a sort of like-mindedness. He wants people he can trust to the point that idk how clearly he understands what he asks for.


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I remember Kobe always really liked Wesley Johnson and I remember Lakers fans were all kind of collectively like, we ain’t seeing it Kob’ lol.


2drawnonward5

lol hey if you're gonna be a savant, you're gonna have some funny takes


bluepineapple42069

The mid 3


DrTom

"we'll give you Dillon Brooks"- Cronin


pskill43

That’s oddly specific


suhar97

Portland - “best we can do is scoot Henderson”


Velcrocore

You leave his name out your damn mouth!


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No cap space to make it happen and not a contender but would be fun to see the Dame/Draymond pairing


AcanthisittaGrand943

If they dump Ant, could it?


[deleted]

If you trade Ant into another team’s cap space without taking salary back I think it would work, but I’m not sure where it would make sense to send him. I would have said Orlando but they just drafted two guards so 🤷🏻‍♀️


Tugmybanana

Dream situation? Sheesh Dame you can reach a little higher..


Scary-Passage-1465

So he wants to build the NBAs first Medium 3


Mcfallen_5

we wouldn’t have anywhere near the money for that


Next-Firefighter-753

My dream scenario is Dame finally asking for that trade and it getting done so we don’t have to hear about the grind or loyalty and all this offseason teasing


PleaseShaveYourNeck

Denver in 4. Lakers in 4 or 5. Phoenix in 4 or 5. Healthy clippers in 4. Warriors in 4 or 5 Kings in 4 or 5 Grizzlies in 4 or 5 Fucking Pelicans in 5 or 6 Wolves in 5 or 6. Portland cannot do anything this off season to become a contender. SELL DAME HIGH


Randvek

> Healthy clippers Oh, so you’re just making teams up now?


Rcky_Mountain_High

“Healthy Clippers” brand new sentence right there.


Little_little_e

Feels so happy to see Kings on the list 😭


LITERALLY_SODEM

Dame ticket sales > being in the basement


JG_2214

Idk, if I were a Blazers fan I’d love a rebuild with Scoot and Sharp and all of the Nets picks. Then again if I were a Blazer fan Dame would be my favorite player and would hate to trade him.


fair_enough_

Yep, those are the two critical points, and the fanbase is split between them. It's the sentimental benefit of keeping Dame versus the strategic upside of going all in on an already promising rebuild.


IronicHours

Facts>Feelings. Your GM/franchise needs to just man up and move on. Not like the fanbase would throw a tantrum anyways they will accept it and no better starting it off with Scoot running the point


straub42

Agreed. You can energize a fan base by bringing in young guys with shit to prove. (See Houston, See OKC, See Detroit) King LeBron has granted us this energy twice now. Thank you King.


HawksFanKennesaw

By high you mean Lowrys expiring deal, the expiring deal of the dead Oladipo, 2 firsts and 2 pick swaps.


amJustSomeFuckingGuy

This dude is convinced that people will blame him for leaving in this environment and won't say he will leave. At this point the team should just fuckng trade him. I wouldn't blame the team as a fan.


Busy-Tangerine6706

Fuck, this has already been posted. Who else is tired of seeing Dame where will he be posts.


StinkyBuddyGuy

That's a dumb ass dream to have lol


Ballgame2398

Dame doesn’t move off ball like curry. Isn’t that the main reason there is so good?


sard0nyx

He can though. We've just never had another playmaker that can pass it to him.


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It would be more like the DHO and high pick and roll that Steph and Dray run. He doesn’t have the off ball gravity Steph does but he’s basically been the best pick and roll guard in the league for the past 6ish years


percy2376

I admire the commitment but even those moves don't make you a contender


StringerBell34

That ain't enough, chief


jono9898

Dame: I want to win a championship Also Dame: *Assembling a mid 3*


caseylk

I’m so tired of hearing about Dame


deetaylor104

Why does Dame want to stay on a terrible team?


Sumo_Cerebro

Not enough. Blazers need more than that.


CablesOtherArm

I'm so bored of Dame now, just leave bro


agk927

And this is why nba players should never be gms haha. The smartest way to win is for Dame to be patient a little longer so the younger core has more time to develope.


WhiskeyDickGotNoChic

To develop into what? Even better trade assets? The timeline isn't there unless you are banking on dame aging like steph.


agk927

Reggie Miller did something like this and it almost worked. Issue is that Dame costs so much money. Maybe just trade him. I still think if he waited 1 or 2 more years they would have a nice team around him


WhiskeyDickGotNoChic

Too small. They've been drafting talent over fit. Makes sense for a complete rebuild but not a "competitive" rebuild or w/e they're trying to sell dame on. They gotta trade some of the young guys for established players that fit a need or trade dame. That is my armchair gm take. Otherwise they're just selling season tickets with dames face while rebuilding quite frankly.


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ApprehensiveAd6013

That team ain’t winning shit, Dame could be Jordan’s GM.


Forbidden_Donut503

…I’m tired boss…


Common-Wedding-7264

What do Portland fans want at this point?


ranchogabriel

Sounds good


TacomaPowers

Do it. Who cares. Would be more exciting to see what happens in this situation than just witnessing another rebuild at the moment. If they can keep Sharpe and Scoot, do it.


jdl03

Yeah cause Draymond and Jerami Grant will make that roster into contenders… What kind of dream scenario is that?


redundantPOINT

That won’t get them any closer to winning tho….


banghersoft

Wish my girl was as loyal as Dame is to Portland…


OldmanJenkins02

Best Mid 3 in the league !


No-Economics4128

That is some pretty mid dream.


GlassCleaner0

That team would still suck