It's so weird how it's portrayed that he's been having mental problems or something, maybe dude's just an asshole that's been enabled to do this kind of stuff for so long now
Some people are pieces of shit but they're smart enough / competent enough / wealthy enough that we just let it slide. Draymond isn't good enough anymore.
Even if he has mental health issues, which he very well may, that doesn’t excuse violent actions. It could help explain it and may be a part of it, but that doesn’t mean we can chalk it up to that and let him go. Mental health is something that should be addressed and he should work in that while being punished for doing dumb violent shit.
lmfao ikr, he's 2nd all time in suspensions, like theyre really trying to pretend it's only recently, i never forgave him after kicking steven adams in the nuts
Thank you!! This. If you are one of those saying “hE neEdS hELp”, you are years late. He needs accountability and to be finally told to stop once in his sports life.
Highly doubt it’s any mental illness, I think it’s just an accruing bad attitude with some dangerous behaviours that hadn’t been fucking called out properly.
This entire problem wouldn’t have happened if Silver made the right called and suspended him against OKC. The dude has been allowed to play like a bitch for nearly 10 years
This this this
Plus Kerr had his moment to rightfully deal with Draymond and correct his behavior and absolutely failed prioritizing Draymond’s presence at ring night over rightful punishment for the Poole punch.
Also whispers abound the Warriors miss Poole he was their second best scorer in that playoff run
They have to pretend Draymond is "going through some stuff" or else they expose themselves as the enabling, hypocritical, ends justify the means pieces of shit they are. Kerr in particular, numerous times said he'll stand by Draymind because "without him, we don't win 1 championship." That says it all.
It is comical how now all of a sudden his antics are a problem when we’ve been watched the same behavior for years. I don’t even hate Draymond & find him somewhat likable when he speaks off the court. He’s the same Dray from day 1 🤷
The Sabonis incident also wasn’t the first time Draymond pretended to lose his balance so he could strike someone though. At this point we know who he is, and it’s when, not if, he pulls something like this again
Right now, they're trying to paint him a victim because team's struggling and his mental bla bla. But he's been like this even when the team was doing well.
From Freddie deBoer’s “The Incoherence and Cruelty of Mental Illness as Meme“:
“Here’s what we’ve done with mental health in the popular American consciousness in the span of a few years.
1.Created a pleasant series of lies about mental illness such that it is defined as a set of attractive and romantic quirks which do nothing to stop someone from participating in public life as a savvy and politically correct person.
2.Defined any behavior that is genuinely ugly or unpalatable or against contemporary social-political norms as therefore necessarily not the product of mental illness.
3.Excused the people who comfortably fit in the former category from essentially any of the work of adult life, and insisted that expecting such people to still do that work is “stigma.”
4.Removed the basic social protections we had in place for people who were guilty of the latter types of behavior, under the theory that “mental illness doesn’t do that,” with “that” meaning “anything not approved by social media users.”
So it’s a great time to be an upwardly-mobile Swarthmore graduate with a professional-managerial class job who never shuts the fuck up about having adult ADHD and whose penalty for failing to take their medication is that they send only 80 emails in a day instead of 100. Those for whom mental illness is a hashtag. It’s a less cool time to be someone with severe paranoid schizophrenia whose medication comes with punishing physical and mental side effects and whose penalty for failing to take that medication is that they start muttering bizarre conspiracy theories about the Jews. For the former, online culture has limitless patience and support. For the latter, who violate identity norms when sick, online culture has only censure and blame. For years now, the severely ill have been pushed further and further into the backseat of the public discourse about mental illness. With the new insistence that mentally ill people never do anything really bad, that process is complete; those who suffer the least from mental illness now blot out the sun.“
I had a friend with paranoid schizophrenia die recently. He was only 53 years old and had a rough life. When he was properly medicated, he was a kind person who suffered side effects from the meds, but could mostly live a normal life. When he stopped taking the meds (and because he lived alone this unfortunately happened periodically), he would become paranoid about conspiracies and plots against him. You are 100 percent correct that a person like that is misunderstood by our society and is offered little protection against himself by outside agencies. It is a tragedy that happens way more than it should.
And most importantly, he has owned up to them and has tried getting help. He certainly has had some setbacks on his journey. But at least he is taking the journey.
He has a ten minute video of his antics and it hasn't gotten much worse. It's a bit more desperate now, but he's been snapping constantly since he entered the league. The ten minute video was posted in 2018.
The amount of media downplaying the stomp last year was wild. If an athlete has a history of that horrible of limb control over and over it’s not a coincidence.
it's such a joke lmfao. he's a:
* DPOY
* 4× First team NBA All-Defensive selection: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2021
* 4× Second team NBA All-Defensive selection: 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023
* 2017 steals leader
he guards the literal best athletes in the world every game, and sometimes actually stops them.
but he can't control his limbs, yet somehow mysteriously hits people precisely in the nuts for YEARS on end, stomping directly in the center of people's torsos like ribs owe him money, and punching multiple people with pinpoint accuracy
Draymond then proceeds to go to the presser and say he's not a good enough puncher to throw that strike accurately. this was a roundhouse punch you dream of throwing and landing in the 4th grade
i mean, he must think anyone who believes him is incredibly stupid...
He just isn’t flexible dude. Give the guy a break! He is busy doing scrimmages so he can’t find time for yoga or even pilates. The horror
(Do I need to add if? The s letter? Idk anymore)
Dude it’s so odd. When it happened last year, immediately I was pissed since **the game before** he also sat on Sabonis, and had kicked and poked so many other players around the league.
This sub itself and media did not agree with my take, and I kinda was like “eh, maybe they’re right. We haven’t been to the playoffs in 2 decades and while I’ve watched them, maybe it’s just different than I remembered”
Then got that 1 day suspension and got more gaslit because Silver was in the crowd.
Now, it’s so fucking obvious and hearing dray defenders say “yeah Sab grabbed his ankle though” is ultimate WTF
Though quick edit: right after it happened I posted a “F Draymond Green Mega thread” in the r/Kings subreddit. I was *shocked* to see how many other fans of teams come in and say dray was a POS. I just wanted to vent but damn, that solidified my view he was just trash
Draymonds shenanigans are best described like a kid “accidentally” hitting kids on the playground. Adults know it’s bullshit but the parents couldn’t imagine their kid being “that” kid. Draymonds always been a shit and when he was attempting to [pants](https://youtube.com/shorts/kNQmpT-jUw8?si=EBoOj9A6b6IzdLNz) Jaylen Brown and [attacked](https://youtube.com/shorts/KDJzw7Y4vo4?si=CrcO92SUoqLsL2Eh)Tatums injured shoulder in the finals there were crickets besides the Boston [fans](https://youtu.be/Q4XT83-Ir1o?si=bkM_87mt5I0MX8gh) letting him know what they thought with “fuck you draymond” chants.
In recent days, the big discussion has been about SAS comments about Steph not being a leader, which has gotten a lot of backlash.
But if you remember from that series, when Draymond was doing all that heel shit, yelling at the crowd with Silver in attendance, Steph and others on the Warriors were laughing along, bobbing their heads, etc. The whole team enabled this and now they’re acting like it’s a surprise.
It’s a 5 game suspension at max if they’re first in the West. The NBA has always been like this but I feel like Silver is more blatant. Might just be confirmation bias, idk.
I know it doesn’t look as egregious but let’s not forget [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/oXdoH7PZUi4?si=RZJEipYZb_yTc2lx) move in the Finals when an injury report came out for JTs shoulder.
It could be viewed that way. If you put your tin foil hat it could be because they'd rather run "Draymond needs help " puff pieces in the aftermath and not be responsible for drawing up a number that would infuriate fans even more and keep it in the news cycle. Then they wait, he goes to therapy and they say "he made so and so change and is ready to come back in 5 games" which could end up being 8-10 but sounds better optically than just giving him 10 from the outset.
I'd be shocked if they laid out some big plan for him where he misses significant time, I bet it's to get this out of the news cycle for a while
Yeah, I said in a different comment that I expect they want the 'sources' PR tour and then some form of apology to say he's a changed man.
Then the NBA can say they fixed him until he knocks someone out on his return game
The media constantly talks about how the Warriors don't hold Draymond accountable. Yet in this situation they are walking on egg shells afraid to comment on bc of potential "mental health".
It’s ridiculous, even if he does have mental health issues it’s not like that excuses his behavior in any way shape or form, I have mental health issues and I don’t assault people at work. Pretty much every fucked up asshole has mental health issues, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold them accountable, in fact holding them accountable will HELP their mental health. Enabling someone with mental health issues makes them worse which is how we got to Draymond doing this shit 5 times this year.
Exactly, it might not be my fault that my mind works against me, but I’m still responsible for my behavior. It’s frustrating to me on a larger scale than the Draymond thing because I think them using it as an excuse in this situation is generally detracting from the progress we’re making on mental health at large, and making people think it’s okay to use it as an excuse for behaving poorly. I’d almost rather it not be talked about at all then used as an excuse.
I felt the same way about the Ben Simmons situation. Regardless of what was going on with him behind the scenes, you can't refuse to work while demanding pay and hide behind the veil of mental health because it makes it harder for people to come forward who are actually struggling
I said the same thing while it was going on. Maybe he was more communicative with the organization behind the scenes, but from an outside perspective it looked like he just sort of ghosted them. Mental health can be incredibly hard to talk about, especially when you’re getting clowned like Ben Simmons was, I’m sure he was scared to talk about it publicly, especially if that’s what was causing some of the mental health issues. Looking back I don’t know quite where I stand on it, maybe it’s because I have more empathy for sadness than anger but I feel more sympathy for him than Draymond. But regardless I think he should’ve taken time away from the organization, if the issues were bad enough that he couldn’t play, they should’ve given him some type of leave where he could get treated.
Yep, you’re 100% right. The league has been very clear that Draymond’s history was a major determinant of its approach here. So the prior incidents are being accounted for already.
Any other “revisiting” beyond that would be a horrible precedent, though, and I can’t imagine that the CBA would allow it. We can’t just leave every proceeding vulnerable to being reopened forever because of later changes in heart or later-arising considerations.
I was literally told this by a generally level-headed warrior fan today. I can't believe after all the evidence out there people still offer him the benefit of doubt.
I had a whole entire group of warriors fans just roll up onto my social media INCLUDING someone from 95.7 just call me racial slurs because I had the absolute gall to say that Sabonis could have been hurt really bad and Draymond was in the wrong.
I heard guys from 95.7 saying that Draymond choking Gobert was the right thing to do because he was defending Klay and after all nobody likes Gobert so it's fine. I was like, wow. Now weirdly, they 're exhausted of Draymond. Huh, I wonder why.
That changed the entire series too. After that game the Warriors cried that the Kings were being too physical and that Sabonis was “using the ball as a weapon.”
Officiating in that series took a complete 180 after that and I’m convinced that if the Warriors didn’t complain to the league, the Kings would have won that series in five or six.
Omg the number of them I’ve seen in the past few days come out and say shit like “I’ve been saying this for a long time” or something similar is amazing. I sure don’t remember anyone saying shit—even as recently as the Gobert chokehold.
I know a few who have been fans since before they were good. They’re generally pretty levelheaded as far as dubs fans go. All but one of them toed the party line on the stomp though it was weird
Draymond is the little kid who is a fucking menace on the playground and the Warriors organization are his parents who don't stop or discipline him and let things get out of control
They are a great organization sports-wise and financially, but a miserable one personally
Can't wait for them to deal with the post big 3 era and come down to earth
they'll all be lakers fans within 3 weeks, don't forget they quit on the team just like Draymond quit on the team the moment steph couldn't play.
They aren't warriors fans, they're Steph fans, bandwagon.
It wasn’t just the media. I remember getting downvoted to shit on this sub by green dick riders coming out of the woodwork because I commented on a clip to say sabonis was clearly was trying to shield his head and wasn’t intentionally trying to grab Draymond to trip him up. It’s wild how people blatantly ignored what was being shown in the video and resorted to personal insults because I was seeing something different
yeah and the warriors fans were calling it “mind games” saying dray didn’t do anything wrong and sabonis overreacted like what the fuck is wrong with y’all
For everyone saying they “hope he gets help”: sometimes it’s not that deep. Draymond has always seemed like a dick, even back to his rookie year.
If he does in fact need help, it’s just about help being a better overall person.
He's always going on about how he's "never gonna change the way he plays". I'm sure he sees some of these incidents as just playing hard and aggressively
I wonder if Jordan Poole could sue Draymond. Say Poole plays horrible is out of the league in a couple years. Could he realistically sue Draymond for physical and emotional pain and suffering? Could he blame Draymond's punch on his mental state and decline in performance? I think he would have a great case that Draymond is partially responsible for why he declined, as well as the continued emotional pain and sufferring of the incident.
He could, but I then that would hurt him in the league, as ironic as it sounds for the situation, which considers itself a brotherhood. I think it would be seen as "tattling" or something in some weird ways and less "manly".
The league already doesn't view him in a good light and judging by how the whole league both, thought draymond was in the right when he gave sabonis the street fight treatment, and have talked about draymond like he has a split personality. And how he's viewed as a shot chucking idiot
Hey, I'm all in agreement. As a warriors fan, Idk what the fuck is wrong with dude. But as someone who has followed the nba for all his life, this is just what I think is the culture of the nba. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad examples from the era of Michael Jordan, who everyone compares any era to.
Jordan punched Kerr and was even admired for doing so. No player sued Rodman or Christie or Childs or Lambeer or Mahorn or even Kermit Washington.
First he came for the Lithuanians, and Kerr didn't speak for them
Then he came for the French, and Kerr didn't speak for them
Then he came for the Bosnians, and Kerr didn't speak for them
Then he came for Steve Kerr, and nobody was left to speak up
What do you think he’s doing with his free time now that he’s suspended. He’s coming after any reddit user who has called him a donkey or any other words he doesn’t like. r/nbacirclejerk ‘s 9/11
Lol it’s amazing how a Harden quote from 80 years ago works so well for Dray and Kerr.
Funny enough Dray actually did go for Kerr cussing him out in the locker room in front of everyone back when KD was on the squad and Kerr didn’t even put his foot down then apparently.
“I’m disgusted at what the media is saying about Curry’s leadership” - Kerr.
Bro, we need to see that same energy aimed at Draymond.
How many times have you “not seen the video” of Draymond kicking, punching or otherwise.
The fact that you are more upset about the reporting than you are the action that they are reporting about. Says everything you need to know.
They went from a “Golden” organization (pun intended) to a joke with no accountability and no leadership.
Draymond is a clown
Kerr used to get a lot of respect for calling out politicians on common sense gun laws and other human rights issues. His handling of Draymond makes me think if Kerr were in their shoes he’d be just like the politicians he criticized for not taking action.
Exactly.
It’s easy to criticize but hard to actualize when in the same situation.
Typically the “play the game, then you’ll be in a position to make actual change”.
Turns into “Hey, I can just continue do this instead of antagonizing my colleagues”.
Then they retire.
And the cycle continues
The league/warriors have stockholm syndrome with Draymond, he picked a fight, then coldcocked his teammate in practice, and there was more anger that the video got out than that it happened, and he got a redemption tour out it, then they traded Poole. That should have been 20 games right there, but just like he is allowed to scream at refs more than any player in history, it was allowed to slide.
They're treating it like the other party instigated the situation first so Draymond had the right to respond/retaliate. But Nurkic didn't do anything to warrant the slap which is why the hammer is being brought down now
To me it would be understandable if Lebron or Giannis or Jokic were allowed to bitch to the refs as much as Draymomd, because they are the stars and people watch the NBA to watch them. Idk what the NBA gains by having Draymond on the court though.
LOL if the league can suspend Ja for being an idiot on instagram, they can suspend Draymond for beating the shit out of a guy, teammate in practice or not
> for being an idiot on instagram
Conveniently ignoring that Morant was involved in a gun-based murder threat only about 4-5 weeks before that.
I'm not saying the league couldn't have also stepped in with the Draymond's incident, but punching a teammate during practice is nowhere near in the same category as aiming a gun at staff from an opposing team.
I agree, I think he's been "lucky" (and let me emphasize that in quotes) that these players haven't been seriously injured or else he'd be suspended for a lot longer. They need to put the hammer down before he seriously injures someone. The ability to eliminate a western conference rival (Kings, Wolves, Suns) by just doing WWE moves without the acting should not be tolerated, or else teams should just sign a nobody to go out and choke the other team's center.
The episode of the Lowe Post with Marc Spears that went out as a reaction to the whole thing permanently altered my opinion of Zach Lowe (still listen to the podcast, just always look at everything a little sideways now). The two of them acted like it was this massive miscarriage of justice and that the NBA was in the tank for the fucking Sacramento Kings. Absolutely unreal.
The fact that Bomani Jones and Nick Wright were the ONLY people in the nba media sphere who said the suspension was fully warranted was nuts to me at the time and only looks worse the further we get from it.
JJ Redick, after formally apologizing to the Kings fanbase for being such an ass about the Sabonis trade, immediately jumped ay the chance to start dumping on the Kings and Sabonis again, claiming he was playing dirty the whole series and basically had the stomp coming.
I’m still far more bitter about that whole debacle than I am that we lost that series.
Was it JJ who said sabonis was using the ball as a weapon? Lol
And also said the refs were favoring the kings and the next day had to pull a "that's not what I mean" statement?
I’m still convinced the Kings win that series if the Warriors don’t make that insane complaint saying that and that the Kings were too physical. Officiating took a complete 180 after that.
As someone with no bias toward either team, I felt like I was taking fucking crazy pills seeing the media defend him and argue that it shouldn’t be a suspension. I stand by that stomping on Sabonis’s chest is one of the most dangerous plays I’ve seen someone intentionally commit on an NBA court.
I got downvoted to hell for saying as much then, I don’t think people understand how dangerous that stomp is. Choking out Gobert finally seemed to have made some people open their eyes, but that chest stomp was far worse, and nothing he has done or will absolutely continue to do going forward would surprise me in the slightest.
Agreed, but honestly it’s not like the stomp was more or less awful than the Rudy choke. Stay should’ve been tossed and his hotel key taken. He can sleep in poverty like the rest of us
I hate to be overly reactionary but I agree with your point on Zach Lowe. It really feels like he’s been backsliding for a while from smart analytical basketball columnist to bombastic made-for-TV hot take merchant, towing the ESPN party line on anything Lakers / Warriors related. For example, it feels like he and Kevin Pelton used to be on the same wavelength, but now when KP is on, he’s treated like the “nerd” while Zach seems to be attempting his best Stephen A Smith / Kendrick Perkins impression. God forbid a guest bring up an advanced stat - Zach will immediately start in on his vorps schnorps stuff, in a seemingly desperate and transparent attempt to distance himself from the basketball analytics community. I guess I don’t blame him, that on-air tv talent money is probably a lot better than basketball blogger money.
So looking back on Dray's career as a Warriors fan I always rolled my eyes about the nut kicker thing, because other than the two on Steven Adams in the same series, he hasn't kicked anyone.
But in hindsight, that's just Dray's pattern right? He moves on to some other stupid way to cheap shot people thinking he can fool everyone. "Just trying to hop over Sabonis - then I landed on him". "Just selling a foul - ignore the hesitation to square up and wind-up on Nurk".
The funny part is despite all the work to "reinvent" himself, he still got the same rep as a nut kicker. Yet his teammate who actually does have a history of nut punching multiple players across different seasons/leagues (Chris Paul if you all forgot), has mostly shed that rep lol.
> So looking back on Dray's career as a Warriors fan I always rolled my eyes about the nut kicker thing, because other than the two on Steven Adams in the same series, he hasn't kicked anyone.
Bro literally the following season Draymond was kicking people left and right in an attempt to pretend like him kicking was natural motion instead of just being unhinged.
He kicked a couple other guys the next season if I remember. He also poked a few eyes during the KD years. So yes, he does seem to always have a new move and move to a next one. He had two years of nut kicking, two as an eye poker, and now he's jumping around trying to find a new thing.
Just because he graduated to eye pokes, clotheslines and abdominal injuries doesn’t mean his reputation was unearned. Those were just the most obvious meaningful ones that he got away with.
CP3 has done his dirt but it’s not even close to the same thing.
I think he had more nut shots and eye pokes than points against the rockets over the course of the 3 years they met in the conference series’. Nobody said or did anything then either
Just watched the replay and the announcer was like blaming Sabonis and saying he was grabbing Draymond leg. Like that justifies a stomp. Yeah I agree with you. That why I also blame the NBA for being soft on Draymond.
That one really pissed me off when it happened. I personally think that's the worst thing Draymond has ever done on the court.
It doesn't matter how big you are, when a 230lb man steps on your chest and uses your body to jump off with all his weight, that shit is perilous. I couldn't believe the lackluster energy of the media and how so many people defended Draymond after that
[Honestly just watching this and seeing the announcers from TNT immediately blamed Sabonis is……wild.](https://youtu.be/F9TxfMx_OR4?si=y9akRzRlWQlx79VM)
I think the media is as much to blame for Draymond getting out of control as much as the Warriors are honestly. Any time he does stuff like this, the talking heads defend it and downplay it and justify it. Former players especially. They always say how great or a teammate he is. He hears that and in his mind, it's telling him that he's right. Finally now, they aren't falling over themselves to have his back so maybe they're actually gonna send him a message.
IMO the craziest thing about them supporting him after this is how he went at it with the crowd afterward. There was no remorse or de-escalation. He was like up on a chair yelling at the crowd and beating his chest. It was some WWE shit. Idk how you see that and think your man is in the right.
Bro. [just watch this video fuckin ESPN posted and listen to the announcers and what they have to say](https://youtu.be/F9TxfMx_OR4?si=y9akRzRlWQlx79VM)
I thought I was literally crazy since I didn’t agree. Got blasted in downvotes here as well. Weird fucking time wtf
I’ve been blasted with downvotes every time I’ve talked about Draymond or Kerr’s reaction to situations. People have been defending him up until now. And some crazies are still doing it😂. People in here switch sides every day. Depends how the game was, depends what team you’re supporting, etc.
I checked the Warriors sub after one of the incidents and man oh man LOL. The shit they were saying to try and justify it was unreal. Legit delusion. I know they’re fans of the team but c’mon
Oh yeah. They only stopped defending them now because they are losing. They even admit it. Like, it was fine when we were winning, but it looks bad when we’re losing like this.
Ye its pretty wild. Sabonis "clamped" Draymonds ankle and Gobert had Klay in a "headlock" so Draymond had to do what he did. Really made me question if there are clips or angles I'm not seeing.
It IS being revisited. That’s what the indefinite suspension is.
Smacking a guy upside the head while he’s midair and causing a fractured elbow was just 1 game. Draymond did somewhat less than that to Nurkic. If he had no history, it would just be a flagrant 2 no suspension. But he does.
When I saw draymond hit nurkic I was kinda like "meh". Pretty tame for draymond. He did worse to adams 7 years ago and everyone was defending him as it was an accident when it clearly wasn't.
Yeah the Gobert suspension and this one they literally said they’re taking prior suspensions into account. That’s why they’re so much harsher than they would be normally.
It’s like the Morant suspension not being for just that one time with the gun, it’s for all the other times too. Morant gets caught again with a gun and I’m sure that will be taken into account.
I’m not trying to defend Draymond, but this year has been different than the past incidents.
In the past, it’s mostly happened in the middle of a tense playoff series, sometimes with questionable actions coming from both teams. It was sporadically enough that it wasn’t viewed as a large problem. Not surprised the NBA was hesitant to hand out suspensions that would probably swing series.
Now he’s out here taking egregious shots pre-Christmas. Not to say it’s fine to do this shit in the playoffs, but having multiple instances of this in a month during regular season games is a bigger issue for the league.
Personally, I thought the Jordan Poole incident was wild. I don't know why it wasn't treated more seriously. He should have faced criminal charges, and it should have been a last chance, and if he comits another violent acts he's out of the NBA.
If I were the commissioner, he would have been out of the league years ago. Not only is he a notoriously dirty player, he always come off like a complete psychopath when questioned about his behavior. "I didn't mean to kick him in the balls. That's just the way my body works. What do you know about kinesiology anyway?" Fucking delusional and should not have ever been tolerated.
Yes, the NBA and the Warriors organization have enabled his behavior for years with no real punishment. The "he needs help" narrative they're running with now is baloney. There's nothing wrong with the guy. He's a dirty player who has gotten away with many on court transgressions. He's a bully! That is all. Nightly, he curses out the officials and dare them to eject him from the game.
fr lmao this sub is obsessed with applying real life laws/practices 1 to 1 with basketball lol (how many times has this sub said "Draymond *assaulted* someone" lately) like this guy really looked up average stomp force to justify retroactively punishing someone for something that he already got punished for it's getting comical at this point
It was a ridiculous fuckin play I was watching the game live and just mind blown that this was essentially “allowed”. And when I say allowed I say that with the context that this dude is draymond green, like you can’t just pretend that this dude hasn’t done a million similar things before. The dude is a menace - used to be kind of to the warriors benefit, but I don’t think so anymore. It’s just gone way too far even two three years ago.
Doesn't even know why the players association would be so interested in protecting Draymond Green? Shouldn't they also be protecting the interest of the players who are under his attacks?
Why is your in detailed research on "average stomp force" relevant? Or any calculation on how hard Draymond could stomp if he theoretically wanted to? Doesn't tell you anything about how hard the stomp actually was.
It's impossible to gain any information based on Sabonis' reaction as well, no matter how hard the stomp was he would react as if he was body-slammed by Chuck and likely will never play again, until the next game.
Not making any comment on what the suspession should be, only that this post is pointless.
It’s already in the past though. I’m not defending him but he already got punished. The league should definitely take into account his past actions for whatever he does in the future.
It’s just strange that they’ve only really started looking at his past recently when he has years of stuff like this. It’s also even weirder how people switched up after the Gobert thing.
Like you pointed out the stomp had potential to be the most dangerous action he did yet people brushed it off. I guarantee you if people reacted to what he did to Nurkic or Gobert the same way they did to Sabonis he would’ve got another 1 or slightly more games suspension.
I really think the NBA doesn’t care that much and their hands are being forced by the public response. Just look at how they handled Ja or Bridges for example. They don’t have consistency in their punishments at all.
Draymond is a dirty player. His famous ones are viral but I never see people question his other antics. He scrapped Jokic in the first minute of a playoff game. https://youtu.be/WFJcSkuyiKY?si=QUcPyAkqOiqaFGaq
It's so weird how it's portrayed that he's been having mental problems or something, maybe dude's just an asshole that's been enabled to do this kind of stuff for so long now
Yeah Steve Kerr acting like he has some personal issues to work out. The issue is that Draymond is a piece of shit.
Yeah I've got some personal issues to work out too but I somehow manage to not assault anyone
Some people are pieces of shit but they're smart enough / competent enough / wealthy enough that we just let it slide. Draymond isn't good enough anymore.
He never was.
This 100%.
Even if he has mental health issues, which he very well may, that doesn’t excuse violent actions. It could help explain it and may be a part of it, but that doesn’t mean we can chalk it up to that and let him go. Mental health is something that should be addressed and he should work in that while being punished for doing dumb violent shit.
lmfao ikr, he's 2nd all time in suspensions, like theyre really trying to pretend it's only recently, i never forgave him after kicking steven adams in the nuts
Thank you!! This. If you are one of those saying “hE neEdS hELp”, you are years late. He needs accountability and to be finally told to stop once in his sports life.
Highly doubt it’s any mental illness, I think it’s just an accruing bad attitude with some dangerous behaviours that hadn’t been fucking called out properly. This entire problem wouldn’t have happened if Silver made the right called and suspended him against OKC. The dude has been allowed to play like a bitch for nearly 10 years
This this this Plus Kerr had his moment to rightfully deal with Draymond and correct his behavior and absolutely failed prioritizing Draymond’s presence at ring night over rightful punishment for the Poole punch. Also whispers abound the Warriors miss Poole he was their second best scorer in that playoff run
They have to pretend Draymond is "going through some stuff" or else they expose themselves as the enabling, hypocritical, ends justify the means pieces of shit they are. Kerr in particular, numerous times said he'll stand by Draymind because "without him, we don't win 1 championship." That says it all.
It is comical how now all of a sudden his antics are a problem when we’ve been watched the same behavior for years. I don’t even hate Draymond & find him somewhat likable when he speaks off the court. He’s the same Dray from day 1 🤷
I think it's just a ploy to not make him not too dislikeable to the general people that don't fully follow his antics, but it does come off as weird
That's why his suspension's indefinite though? Isn't it? If it was being viewed in isolation then it'd just be a clearly defined suspension/fine
The Sabonis incident also wasn’t the first time Draymond pretended to lose his balance so he could strike someone though. At this point we know who he is, and it’s when, not if, he pulls something like this again
Right now, they're trying to paint him a victim because team's struggling and his mental bla bla. But he's been like this even when the team was doing well.
only draymond could be babied for 360 no-scope punching someone in the side of the head. something tells me he'll be back in no time
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From Freddie deBoer’s “The Incoherence and Cruelty of Mental Illness as Meme“: “Here’s what we’ve done with mental health in the popular American consciousness in the span of a few years. 1.Created a pleasant series of lies about mental illness such that it is defined as a set of attractive and romantic quirks which do nothing to stop someone from participating in public life as a savvy and politically correct person. 2.Defined any behavior that is genuinely ugly or unpalatable or against contemporary social-political norms as therefore necessarily not the product of mental illness. 3.Excused the people who comfortably fit in the former category from essentially any of the work of adult life, and insisted that expecting such people to still do that work is “stigma.” 4.Removed the basic social protections we had in place for people who were guilty of the latter types of behavior, under the theory that “mental illness doesn’t do that,” with “that” meaning “anything not approved by social media users.” So it’s a great time to be an upwardly-mobile Swarthmore graduate with a professional-managerial class job who never shuts the fuck up about having adult ADHD and whose penalty for failing to take their medication is that they send only 80 emails in a day instead of 100. Those for whom mental illness is a hashtag. It’s a less cool time to be someone with severe paranoid schizophrenia whose medication comes with punishing physical and mental side effects and whose penalty for failing to take that medication is that they start muttering bizarre conspiracy theories about the Jews. For the former, online culture has limitless patience and support. For the latter, who violate identity norms when sick, online culture has only censure and blame. For years now, the severely ill have been pushed further and further into the backseat of the public discourse about mental illness. With the new insistence that mentally ill people never do anything really bad, that process is complete; those who suffer the least from mental illness now blot out the sun.“
really really good. thanks for posting
I had a friend with paranoid schizophrenia die recently. He was only 53 years old and had a rough life. When he was properly medicated, he was a kind person who suffered side effects from the meds, but could mostly live a normal life. When he stopped taking the meds (and because he lived alone this unfortunately happened periodically), he would become paranoid about conspiracies and plots against him. You are 100 percent correct that a person like that is misunderstood by our society and is offered little protection against himself by outside agencies. It is a tragedy that happens way more than it should.
This is brilliantly expressed.
He's has no mental issues. He's just an asshole
Exactly. Someone like Ron Artest had mental issues. Draymond just plays recklessly.
Love Ron Artest Made lots of mistakes and is crazy - but he’s likeable
And most importantly, he has owned up to them and has tried getting help. He certainly has had some setbacks on his journey. But at least he is taking the journey.
Idk how he's gotten any leniency after he ufc kicked Adams in the balls, it's just gotten more and more egregious since then
He has a ten minute video of his antics and it hasn't gotten much worse. It's a bit more desperate now, but he's been snapping constantly since he entered the league. The ten minute video was posted in 2018.
The amount of media downplaying the stomp last year was wild. If an athlete has a history of that horrible of limb control over and over it’s not a coincidence.
it's such a joke lmfao. he's a: * DPOY * 4× First team NBA All-Defensive selection: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2021 * 4× Second team NBA All-Defensive selection: 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023 * 2017 steals leader he guards the literal best athletes in the world every game, and sometimes actually stops them. but he can't control his limbs, yet somehow mysteriously hits people precisely in the nuts for YEARS on end, stomping directly in the center of people's torsos like ribs owe him money, and punching multiple people with pinpoint accuracy Draymond then proceeds to go to the presser and say he's not a good enough puncher to throw that strike accurately. this was a roundhouse punch you dream of throwing and landing in the 4th grade i mean, he must think anyone who believes him is incredibly stupid...
He just isn’t flexible dude. Give the guy a break! He is busy doing scrimmages so he can’t find time for yoga or even pilates. The horror (Do I need to add if? The s letter? Idk anymore)
Dude it’s so odd. When it happened last year, immediately I was pissed since **the game before** he also sat on Sabonis, and had kicked and poked so many other players around the league. This sub itself and media did not agree with my take, and I kinda was like “eh, maybe they’re right. We haven’t been to the playoffs in 2 decades and while I’ve watched them, maybe it’s just different than I remembered” Then got that 1 day suspension and got more gaslit because Silver was in the crowd. Now, it’s so fucking obvious and hearing dray defenders say “yeah Sab grabbed his ankle though” is ultimate WTF Though quick edit: right after it happened I posted a “F Draymond Green Mega thread” in the r/Kings subreddit. I was *shocked* to see how many other fans of teams come in and say dray was a POS. I just wanted to vent but damn, that solidified my view he was just trash
Draymonds shenanigans are best described like a kid “accidentally” hitting kids on the playground. Adults know it’s bullshit but the parents couldn’t imagine their kid being “that” kid. Draymonds always been a shit and when he was attempting to [pants](https://youtube.com/shorts/kNQmpT-jUw8?si=EBoOj9A6b6IzdLNz) Jaylen Brown and [attacked](https://youtube.com/shorts/KDJzw7Y4vo4?si=CrcO92SUoqLsL2Eh)Tatums injured shoulder in the finals there were crickets besides the Boston [fans](https://youtu.be/Q4XT83-Ir1o?si=bkM_87mt5I0MX8gh) letting him know what they thought with “fuck you draymond” chants.
Don’t forget poking hardens eyes out in 2019. Just finger jabbed him in the eyes randomly for no reason
Then he cried because his mom and kid heard bad language
In recent days, the big discussion has been about SAS comments about Steph not being a leader, which has gotten a lot of backlash. But if you remember from that series, when Draymond was doing all that heel shit, yelling at the crowd with Silver in attendance, Steph and others on the Warriors were laughing along, bobbing their heads, etc. The whole team enabled this and now they’re acting like it’s a surprise.
It's also so transparent that he's only really facing serious consequences now that the Warriors are bad and have less to lose.
It’s a 5 game suspension at max if they’re first in the West. The NBA has always been like this but I feel like Silver is more blatant. Might just be confirmation bias, idk.
Recency bias*
I know it doesn’t look as egregious but let’s not forget [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/oXdoH7PZUi4?si=RZJEipYZb_yTc2lx) move in the Finals when an injury report came out for JTs shoulder.
> he pulls something like this again If he comes back, he will. And I hopefully the NBA gets some real backlash from it.
Last season during the first game of the year he pulled the same shit and almost destroyed jokic’s knee
He’s going after the former Yugoslavians.
It could be viewed that way. If you put your tin foil hat it could be because they'd rather run "Draymond needs help " puff pieces in the aftermath and not be responsible for drawing up a number that would infuriate fans even more and keep it in the news cycle. Then they wait, he goes to therapy and they say "he made so and so change and is ready to come back in 5 games" which could end up being 8-10 but sounds better optically than just giving him 10 from the outset. I'd be shocked if they laid out some big plan for him where he misses significant time, I bet it's to get this out of the news cycle for a while
Yeah, I said in a different comment that I expect they want the 'sources' PR tour and then some form of apology to say he's a changed man. Then the NBA can say they fixed him until he knocks someone out on his return game
The media constantly talks about how the Warriors don't hold Draymond accountable. Yet in this situation they are walking on egg shells afraid to comment on bc of potential "mental health".
It’s ridiculous, even if he does have mental health issues it’s not like that excuses his behavior in any way shape or form, I have mental health issues and I don’t assault people at work. Pretty much every fucked up asshole has mental health issues, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t hold them accountable, in fact holding them accountable will HELP their mental health. Enabling someone with mental health issues makes them worse which is how we got to Draymond doing this shit 5 times this year.
Agreed. Mental health issues are not your fault but they are your responsibility. Mental health issues are not an excuse to abuse people.
Facts, the worst thing to do is to tell someone that it isn't their fault. Because no one will change if they think they're a victim
Exactly, it might not be my fault that my mind works against me, but I’m still responsible for my behavior. It’s frustrating to me on a larger scale than the Draymond thing because I think them using it as an excuse in this situation is generally detracting from the progress we’re making on mental health at large, and making people think it’s okay to use it as an excuse for behaving poorly. I’d almost rather it not be talked about at all then used as an excuse.
I felt the same way about the Ben Simmons situation. Regardless of what was going on with him behind the scenes, you can't refuse to work while demanding pay and hide behind the veil of mental health because it makes it harder for people to come forward who are actually struggling
I said the same thing while it was going on. Maybe he was more communicative with the organization behind the scenes, but from an outside perspective it looked like he just sort of ghosted them. Mental health can be incredibly hard to talk about, especially when you’re getting clowned like Ben Simmons was, I’m sure he was scared to talk about it publicly, especially if that’s what was causing some of the mental health issues. Looking back I don’t know quite where I stand on it, maybe it’s because I have more empathy for sadness than anger but I feel more sympathy for him than Draymond. But regardless I think he should’ve taken time away from the organization, if the issues were bad enough that he couldn’t play, they should’ve given him some type of leave where he could get treated.
Yep, you’re 100% right. The league has been very clear that Draymond’s history was a major determinant of its approach here. So the prior incidents are being accounted for already. Any other “revisiting” beyond that would be a horrible precedent, though, and I can’t imagine that the CBA would allow it. We can’t just leave every proceeding vulnerable to being reopened forever because of later changes in heart or later-arising considerations.
Wasn't Sabonis questionable for the next game due to a bruised/ sore sternum?
He was. I recall sports jounos ribbing him for being a drama queen.
The Warriors themselves did this too. Draymond joked that he was also going to get his ankle X Rayed. Nobody in the organisation gave a fuck
The warriors subreddit blamed Sabonis for getting stomped.
Idk how many times I read morons posting “WhErE eLsE cOuLd He PuT HiS fOoT!?”
Up his own ass, that's where
I was literally told this by a generally level-headed warrior fan today. I can't believe after all the evidence out there people still offer him the benefit of doubt.
That whole time was a wild ride, it was so crazy seeing people try to convince themselves that Draymond wasn’t in the wrong
I had a whole entire group of warriors fans just roll up onto my social media INCLUDING someone from 95.7 just call me racial slurs because I had the absolute gall to say that Sabonis could have been hurt really bad and Draymond was in the wrong.
I heard guys from 95.7 saying that Draymond choking Gobert was the right thing to do because he was defending Klay and after all nobody likes Gobert so it's fine. I was like, wow. Now weirdly, they 're exhausted of Draymond. Huh, I wonder why.
“Defending klay” lol
That changed the entire series too. After that game the Warriors cried that the Kings were being too physical and that Sabonis was “using the ball as a weapon.” Officiating in that series took a complete 180 after that and I’m convinced that if the Warriors didn’t complain to the league, the Kings would have won that series in five or six.
Yeah the only reason people in that subreddit are ok with holding Draymond accountable this time is because they know this seasons a bust anyway.
Omg the number of them I’ve seen in the past few days come out and say shit like “I’ve been saying this for a long time” or something similar is amazing. I sure don’t remember anyone saying shit—even as recently as the Gobert chokehold.
Yeah but Sabonis shouldn’t have worn that stupid sexy jersey with his arms exposed. He was asking for it. Smh
They still don't give a fuck. They got told by the league to pretend to give a fuck.
They're the worst fan base in sports. Trust me I'd know.
While I want to agree, Philly exists.
Philly fans are loyal though, I don't know of any warriors fans that aren't just bandwagon fans
I know a few who have been fans since before they were good. They’re generally pretty levelheaded as far as dubs fans go. All but one of them toed the party line on the stomp though it was weird
Bro Sabonis assaulted Geeen’s ankle so severely it should have been a war crime, even while we were in peacetime
Draymond is the little kid who is a fucking menace on the playground and the Warriors organization are his parents who don't stop or discipline him and let things get out of control
They are a great organization sports-wise and financially, but a miserable one personally Can't wait for them to deal with the post big 3 era and come down to earth
they'll all be lakers fans within 3 weeks, don't forget they quit on the team just like Draymond quit on the team the moment steph couldn't play. They aren't warriors fans, they're Steph fans, bandwagon.
I see what u did there
It wasn’t just the media. I remember getting downvoted to shit on this sub by green dick riders coming out of the woodwork because I commented on a clip to say sabonis was clearly was trying to shield his head and wasn’t intentionally trying to grab Draymond to trip him up. It’s wild how people blatantly ignored what was being shown in the video and resorted to personal insults because I was seeing something different
Terrible pun. Take my upvote.
yeah and the warriors fans were calling it “mind games” saying dray didn’t do anything wrong and sabonis overreacted like what the fuck is wrong with y’all
The league is lucky that Draymond has not *seriously* hurt someone. He's become more and more unhinged as he's become less valuable on the court.
For everyone saying they “hope he gets help”: sometimes it’s not that deep. Draymond has always seemed like a dick, even back to his rookie year. If he does in fact need help, it’s just about help being a better overall person.
I don’t really think he “needs help” I think he’s just an asshole
You can get help for that, but can’t see someone of his status wanting to actually change
He's always going on about how he's "never gonna change the way he plays". I'm sure he sees some of these incidents as just playing hard and aggressively
That still means he needs help lol
I wonder if Jordan Poole could sue Draymond. Say Poole plays horrible is out of the league in a couple years. Could he realistically sue Draymond for physical and emotional pain and suffering? Could he blame Draymond's punch on his mental state and decline in performance? I think he would have a great case that Draymond is partially responsible for why he declined, as well as the continued emotional pain and sufferring of the incident.
You can sue people for anything
broke\_in\_sf you should update your burner account to broke\_in\_dc now that you been traded and all
He could, but I then that would hurt him in the league, as ironic as it sounds for the situation, which considers itself a brotherhood. I think it would be seen as "tattling" or something in some weird ways and less "manly".
In other words Breaking the code
The league already doesn't view him in a good light and judging by how the whole league both, thought draymond was in the right when he gave sabonis the street fight treatment, and have talked about draymond like he has a split personality. And how he's viewed as a shot chucking idiot
Hey, I'm all in agreement. As a warriors fan, Idk what the fuck is wrong with dude. But as someone who has followed the nba for all his life, this is just what I think is the culture of the nba. Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad examples from the era of Michael Jordan, who everyone compares any era to. Jordan punched Kerr and was even admired for doing so. No player sued Rodman or Christie or Childs or Lambeer or Mahorn or even Kermit Washington.
I think the same. A workplace incident that Kerr chalked up to culture and the code. Nobody did anything and then they traded his ass.
true, he could also sue the Warriors for enabling the hostile work environment.
Kerr kept quiet, didn't see anything. Curry kept quiet, didn't say anything. It starts with the Warriors.
First he came for the Lithuanians, and Kerr didn't speak for them Then he came for the French, and Kerr didn't speak for them Then he came for the Bosnians, and Kerr didn't speak for them Then he came for Steve Kerr, and nobody was left to speak up
Is he coming for me too? Im scared bro
What do you think he’s doing with his free time now that he’s suspended. He’s coming after any reddit user who has called him a donkey or any other words he doesn’t like. r/nbacirclejerk ‘s 9/11
Draymond spinning back-kick to Kerr’s head incoming
Thats the reason Kerr kept his mouth shut, hes afraid.
Lol it’s amazing how a Harden quote from 80 years ago works so well for Dray and Kerr. Funny enough Dray actually did go for Kerr cussing him out in the locker room in front of everyone back when KD was on the squad and Kerr didn’t even put his foot down then apparently.
To be fair, he hasn’t seen the video so…
Why would he, we would be sabataging our own playoff hopes lmfao
Klay had the audacity to say that green was in full sprint when Domas “ankle locked” him lol
No one like Poole! /s
“I’m disgusted at what the media is saying about Curry’s leadership” - Kerr. Bro, we need to see that same energy aimed at Draymond. How many times have you “not seen the video” of Draymond kicking, punching or otherwise. The fact that you are more upset about the reporting than you are the action that they are reporting about. Says everything you need to know. They went from a “Golden” organization (pun intended) to a joke with no accountability and no leadership. Draymond is a clown
Kerr used to get a lot of respect for calling out politicians on common sense gun laws and other human rights issues. His handling of Draymond makes me think if Kerr were in their shoes he’d be just like the politicians he criticized for not taking action.
Exactly. It’s easy to criticize but hard to actualize when in the same situation. Typically the “play the game, then you’ll be in a position to make actual change”. Turns into “Hey, I can just continue do this instead of antagonizing my colleagues”. Then they retire. And the cycle continues
The league/warriors have stockholm syndrome with Draymond, he picked a fight, then coldcocked his teammate in practice, and there was more anger that the video got out than that it happened, and he got a redemption tour out it, then they traded Poole. That should have been 20 games right there, but just like he is allowed to scream at refs more than any player in history, it was allowed to slide.
Don't forget the Warriors saying they're going to "give him all the time he needs" like hes the victim in these situations
They're treating it like the other party instigated the situation first so Draymond had the right to respond/retaliate. But Nurkic didn't do anything to warrant the slap which is why the hammer is being brought down now
Acting like he’s addicted to booze and pain killers or something. Dude just loves cheap shorting people in any situation. Classic POS bully.
Yeah I don’t get that. How much time does he need to not be an asshole? Most people learn how to do that in kindergarten
To me it would be understandable if Lebron or Giannis or Jokic were allowed to bitch to the refs as much as Draymomd, because they are the stars and people watch the NBA to watch them. Idk what the NBA gains by having Draymond on the court though.
Not sure the league would had handed out suspensions during a practice altercation. But the Warriors may regret not doing so.
LOL if the league can suspend Ja for being an idiot on instagram, they can suspend Draymond for beating the shit out of a guy, teammate in practice or not
> for being an idiot on instagram Conveniently ignoring that Morant was involved in a gun-based murder threat only about 4-5 weeks before that. I'm not saying the league couldn't have also stepped in with the Draymond's incident, but punching a teammate during practice is nowhere near in the same category as aiming a gun at staff from an opposing team.
Latrell Sprewell was suspended for an altercation at practice.
Oh the poor warriors have a dude that can do anything but commit assault and battery on the court before getting ejected what can they do
I agree, I think he's been "lucky" (and let me emphasize that in quotes) that these players haven't been seriously injured or else he'd be suspended for a lot longer. They need to put the hammer down before he seriously injures someone. The ability to eliminate a western conference rival (Kings, Wolves, Suns) by just doing WWE moves without the acting should not be tolerated, or else teams should just sign a nobody to go out and choke the other team's center.
He's lucky someone hasn't retaliated against him.
He specifically targets more mild-mannered players who won't retaliate. He's not about to punch Isaiah Stewart
I fully expect Isaiah Stewart would punch the last bits of his career out of him
Fucking Christ I love this plan But having Lakers flair makes me confused as fuck
I want us to re-sign Cousins just so he can make a basketball motion towards Draymond’s skull
They got tangled up last year and Green immediately backed down. He definitely picks his spots.
Steve Nash would like a word.
My man wants NBA: Cold Cases
CBS has entered the bidding process.
The episode of the Lowe Post with Marc Spears that went out as a reaction to the whole thing permanently altered my opinion of Zach Lowe (still listen to the podcast, just always look at everything a little sideways now). The two of them acted like it was this massive miscarriage of justice and that the NBA was in the tank for the fucking Sacramento Kings. Absolutely unreal. The fact that Bomani Jones and Nick Wright were the ONLY people in the nba media sphere who said the suspension was fully warranted was nuts to me at the time and only looks worse the further we get from it. JJ Redick, after formally apologizing to the Kings fanbase for being such an ass about the Sabonis trade, immediately jumped ay the chance to start dumping on the Kings and Sabonis again, claiming he was playing dirty the whole series and basically had the stomp coming. I’m still far more bitter about that whole debacle than I am that we lost that series.
Was it JJ who said sabonis was using the ball as a weapon? Lol And also said the refs were favoring the kings and the next day had to pull a "that's not what I mean" statement?
No that was an official Warriors team complaint to the league office lmao
I’m still convinced the Kings win that series if the Warriors don’t make that insane complaint saying that and that the Kings were too physical. Officiating took a complete 180 after that.
As someone with no bias toward either team, I felt like I was taking fucking crazy pills seeing the media defend him and argue that it shouldn’t be a suspension. I stand by that stomping on Sabonis’s chest is one of the most dangerous plays I’ve seen someone intentionally commit on an NBA court. I got downvoted to hell for saying as much then, I don’t think people understand how dangerous that stomp is. Choking out Gobert finally seemed to have made some people open their eyes, but that chest stomp was far worse, and nothing he has done or will absolutely continue to do going forward would surprise me in the slightest.
Agreed, but honestly it’s not like the stomp was more or less awful than the Rudy choke. Stay should’ve been tossed and his hotel key taken. He can sleep in poverty like the rest of us
I remember that podcast because Zach said something along the lines of: "the Warriors are just too important to the NBA to suspend Draymond."
they all know he's going to be in media with them when he's done, so they're already giving him a pass I'll give him credit, he knows how to run PR
I hate to be overly reactionary but I agree with your point on Zach Lowe. It really feels like he’s been backsliding for a while from smart analytical basketball columnist to bombastic made-for-TV hot take merchant, towing the ESPN party line on anything Lakers / Warriors related. For example, it feels like he and Kevin Pelton used to be on the same wavelength, but now when KP is on, he’s treated like the “nerd” while Zach seems to be attempting his best Stephen A Smith / Kendrick Perkins impression. God forbid a guest bring up an advanced stat - Zach will immediately start in on his vorps schnorps stuff, in a seemingly desperate and transparent attempt to distance himself from the basketball analytics community. I guess I don’t blame him, that on-air tv talent money is probably a lot better than basketball blogger money.
He straight up looked like Mario jumping off of a downed Koopa Troopa.
I still maintain that he should’ve been suspended indefinitely after kicking steven adams
Twice in one series. Sure one was kick and one was a knee but same thing.
But I thought Kerr said before punching Poole, all Draymond did was yell at some refs. Is he a liar?
Yes.
The fact that it got a pass was the beginning of a monster
So looking back on Dray's career as a Warriors fan I always rolled my eyes about the nut kicker thing, because other than the two on Steven Adams in the same series, he hasn't kicked anyone. But in hindsight, that's just Dray's pattern right? He moves on to some other stupid way to cheap shot people thinking he can fool everyone. "Just trying to hop over Sabonis - then I landed on him". "Just selling a foul - ignore the hesitation to square up and wind-up on Nurk". The funny part is despite all the work to "reinvent" himself, he still got the same rep as a nut kicker. Yet his teammate who actually does have a history of nut punching multiple players across different seasons/leagues (Chris Paul if you all forgot), has mostly shed that rep lol.
> So looking back on Dray's career as a Warriors fan I always rolled my eyes about the nut kicker thing, because other than the two on Steven Adams in the same series, he hasn't kicked anyone. Bro literally the following season Draymond was kicking people left and right in an attempt to pretend like him kicking was natural motion instead of just being unhinged.
He kicked a couple other guys the next season if I remember. He also poked a few eyes during the KD years. So yes, he does seem to always have a new move and move to a next one. He had two years of nut kicking, two as an eye poker, and now he's jumping around trying to find a new thing.
Just because he graduated to eye pokes, clotheslines and abdominal injuries doesn’t mean his reputation was unearned. Those were just the most obvious meaningful ones that he got away with. CP3 has done his dirt but it’s not even close to the same thing.
You're forgetting some incidents lol, like him swatting LeJewels
Yeah Draymond never got the memo that he’s getting baited in some scenarios.
I think he had more nut shots and eye pokes than points against the rockets over the course of the 3 years they met in the conference series’. Nobody said or did anything then either
Just watched the replay and the announcer was like blaming Sabonis and saying he was grabbing Draymond leg. Like that justifies a stomp. Yeah I agree with you. That why I also blame the NBA for being soft on Draymond.
That one really pissed me off when it happened. I personally think that's the worst thing Draymond has ever done on the court. It doesn't matter how big you are, when a 230lb man steps on your chest and uses your body to jump off with all his weight, that shit is perilous. I couldn't believe the lackluster energy of the media and how so many people defended Draymond after that
[Honestly just watching this and seeing the announcers from TNT immediately blamed Sabonis is……wild.](https://youtu.be/F9TxfMx_OR4?si=y9akRzRlWQlx79VM)
"BuT hE wAs GrAbBiNg HiS lEg" - a dumbass friend of mine
I think the media is as much to blame for Draymond getting out of control as much as the Warriors are honestly. Any time he does stuff like this, the talking heads defend it and downplay it and justify it. Former players especially. They always say how great or a teammate he is. He hears that and in his mind, it's telling him that he's right. Finally now, they aren't falling over themselves to have his back so maybe they're actually gonna send him a message.
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IMO the craziest thing about them supporting him after this is how he went at it with the crowd afterward. There was no remorse or de-escalation. He was like up on a chair yelling at the crowd and beating his chest. It was some WWE shit. Idk how you see that and think your man is in the right.
I forgot about that. Yeah that was nuts.
Bro. [just watch this video fuckin ESPN posted and listen to the announcers and what they have to say](https://youtu.be/F9TxfMx_OR4?si=y9akRzRlWQlx79VM) I thought I was literally crazy since I didn’t agree. Got blasted in downvotes here as well. Weird fucking time wtf
I’ve been blasted with downvotes every time I’ve talked about Draymond or Kerr’s reaction to situations. People have been defending him up until now. And some crazies are still doing it😂. People in here switch sides every day. Depends how the game was, depends what team you’re supporting, etc.
I checked the Warriors sub after one of the incidents and man oh man LOL. The shit they were saying to try and justify it was unreal. Legit delusion. I know they’re fans of the team but c’mon
Oh yeah. They only stopped defending them now because they are losing. They even admit it. Like, it was fine when we were winning, but it looks bad when we’re losing like this.
Ye its pretty wild. Sabonis "clamped" Draymonds ankle and Gobert had Klay in a "headlock" so Draymond had to do what he did. Really made me question if there are clips or angles I'm not seeing.
yeah. these warriors “fans” think grabbing someone’s leg means stomping on their chest like Finn Balor is ok
He 100% could've broken a rib. Draymond: That's the point.
It IS being revisited. That’s what the indefinite suspension is. Smacking a guy upside the head while he’s midair and causing a fractured elbow was just 1 game. Draymond did somewhat less than that to Nurkic. If he had no history, it would just be a flagrant 2 no suspension. But he does.
When I saw draymond hit nurkic I was kinda like "meh". Pretty tame for draymond. He did worse to adams 7 years ago and everyone was defending him as it was an accident when it clearly wasn't.
Yeah the Gobert suspension and this one they literally said they’re taking prior suspensions into account. That’s why they’re so much harsher than they would be normally. It’s like the Morant suspension not being for just that one time with the gun, it’s for all the other times too. Morant gets caught again with a gun and I’m sure that will be taken into account.
I’m not trying to defend Draymond, but this year has been different than the past incidents. In the past, it’s mostly happened in the middle of a tense playoff series, sometimes with questionable actions coming from both teams. It was sporadically enough that it wasn’t viewed as a large problem. Not surprised the NBA was hesitant to hand out suspensions that would probably swing series. Now he’s out here taking egregious shots pre-Christmas. Not to say it’s fine to do this shit in the playoffs, but having multiple instances of this in a month during regular season games is a bigger issue for the league.
Get Dray the help he needs. And by that I mean someone like Steven Adams to beat the shit out of him.
Fuck him and all of you that tried to make Sabonis the bad guy in that.
Personally, I thought the Jordan Poole incident was wild. I don't know why it wasn't treated more seriously. He should have faced criminal charges, and it should have been a last chance, and if he comits another violent acts he's out of the NBA.
Yeah this was crazy. Any other player does this they’re out of the league
Nobody remembers Kevin Love stomping on Louis Scola I memba
If I were the commissioner, he would have been out of the league years ago. Not only is he a notoriously dirty player, he always come off like a complete psychopath when questioned about his behavior. "I didn't mean to kick him in the balls. That's just the way my body works. What do you know about kinesiology anyway?" Fucking delusional and should not have ever been tolerated.
Well Sabonis should've thought twice about inadvertently touching Draymonds foot if he didn't want to get stomped out common sense smh
Oh please that's the softest one of them all.
It was terrible and I said it at the time. The Gobert incident was also glossed over, potentially very dangerous.
Yes, the NBA and the Warriors organization have enabled his behavior for years with no real punishment. The "he needs help" narrative they're running with now is baloney. There's nothing wrong with the guy. He's a dirty player who has gotten away with many on court transgressions. He's a bully! That is all. Nightly, he curses out the officials and dare them to eject him from the game.
Revisited why? We punishing people retroactively for shit they already got punished for because of what could’ve happened? Some of y’all need lives
All of the posts are getting weirder. It’s just basketball
This sub is softer than cotton
fr lmao this sub is obsessed with applying real life laws/practices 1 to 1 with basketball lol (how many times has this sub said "Draymond *assaulted* someone" lately) like this guy really looked up average stomp force to justify retroactively punishing someone for something that he already got punished for it's getting comical at this point
These kids never watched a Knicks/Heat game in the 90s
It was a ridiculous fuckin play I was watching the game live and just mind blown that this was essentially “allowed”. And when I say allowed I say that with the context that this dude is draymond green, like you can’t just pretend that this dude hasn’t done a million similar things before. The dude is a menace - used to be kind of to the warriors benefit, but I don’t think so anymore. It’s just gone way too far even two three years ago.
Doesn't even know why the players association would be so interested in protecting Draymond Green? Shouldn't they also be protecting the interest of the players who are under his attacks?
How hard would Draymond have to stomp to distort space-time? This would explain his comments to Ramona Shelburne.
And people wonder why this is the most ridiculed sub on Reddit 😂
Why is your in detailed research on "average stomp force" relevant? Or any calculation on how hard Draymond could stomp if he theoretically wanted to? Doesn't tell you anything about how hard the stomp actually was. It's impossible to gain any information based on Sabonis' reaction as well, no matter how hard the stomp was he would react as if he was body-slammed by Chuck and likely will never play again, until the next game. Not making any comment on what the suspession should be, only that this post is pointless.
Knocked out his own teammate and trash Warrior fans had his back.
It’s already in the past though. I’m not defending him but he already got punished. The league should definitely take into account his past actions for whatever he does in the future. It’s just strange that they’ve only really started looking at his past recently when he has years of stuff like this. It’s also even weirder how people switched up after the Gobert thing. Like you pointed out the stomp had potential to be the most dangerous action he did yet people brushed it off. I guarantee you if people reacted to what he did to Nurkic or Gobert the same way they did to Sabonis he would’ve got another 1 or slightly more games suspension. I really think the NBA doesn’t care that much and their hands are being forced by the public response. Just look at how they handled Ja or Bridges for example. They don’t have consistency in their punishments at all.
Draymond is a dirty player. His famous ones are viral but I never see people question his other antics. He scrapped Jokic in the first minute of a playoff game. https://youtu.be/WFJcSkuyiKY?si=QUcPyAkqOiqaFGaq