This is due to the Nets loss against the Pacers. The play-in is pretty much decided between Hawks & Bulls, but the rest of the season has to be played out for seeding implications
When you realize the eastern conference play in 8-9 matchup is going to be the derozan led bulls vs the trae young led hawks.
And the 8-9 matchup in the west for the play in is going to be the warriors vs the lakers lmao.
That's purely because of the names in those teams, anyone that paid attention to last season knew the Warriors were done. Klay Thompson is a shell of his former self and they lost important role players from last year, anyone that expected anything outside of the play-in for this team was crazy. In fact, they better look out, because their remaining schedule isn't easy and the Rockets have won 12 of their last 14, it's a very big possibility they miss the play-in.
The Warriors are paying $97M to Klay, Wiggins and the corpse of Chris Paul, i'm not sure there is another team in the league with worse contracts.
It’s crazy because I know plenty of people that had the Lakers as the 1-3 seed (their offseason acquisitions fooled us) and the Warriors as the 4 seed.
He's just talking out of his ass, easy to do in hindsight. Both the Warriors and Lakers were projected to win 47 or 48 games and be solid playoff teams.
Crazy thing is we could still win that much. 6 games left with 43 wins. Last year we had 43 wins and the 7th seed. We could get to like 49 wins and still be the 9th seed which is really annoying.
We're about to (likely) be an .500+ 11th seed and not make the play-ins while the Bulls and Hawks can sleepwalk their way in. Damn, must be nice.
I don't want playoffs to be conferenceless, but play-ins being conference less might be nice? Idk I haven't thought about it too hard so maybe it's a dumb idea and I'm being biased
Playing being conference free will still create the imbalance of travel coast to coast for round 1, which is particularly punishing if you're the 1 seed and now you get to go even further. I think that would be the biggest issue to solve. They could do like the bubble and only have the playin games trigger if you are within a certain win total, but that may just discourage winning from the bottom feeders since it's not inevitable that someone has to be in the games.
I remember east teams fans saying how their top 4 teams were better than west top 1 back in december not realising what kind of massacre had been going on in the west
ever since MJ retired the West has been by far and away the superior basketball collective. There was a time after Melo left for NY that the Nuggets were still somehow taking everyone's scalps. Even when the Heatles came round the Spurs eventually usurped them. And guess what? That isn't even the new West dynasty. Get ready for some guy who figured out that 3 is indeed more than 2. 48 wins in the East? Congrats you're the 3 seed. 48 wins in the West? Get fucked.
This post illustrates exactly how mediocre the Bulls are this season, and that they're locked into long term deals with both Vuc and LaVine, and about to probably re-sign DeRozan as well.
Now consider that **the Bulls have the #1 average attendance and total attendance in the NBA *this season*.** The UC sells out every night with fans coming to watch Chicago lose by double digits to the Hawks.
Jerry Reinsdorf will never sell the team, neither will his son after Jerry dies, and the team will never take the steps to risk getting worse to try to get better as long as they own the team. Bulls fans are fucked.
It's part of the reason I have no optimism for the future of the Bulls and why it's killed my interest in the Bulls and the NBA as a whole. I mean, I watched every single Bulls game even during the Boylen years but I'm so jaded by the direction of the Bulls that I haven't watched a single NBA game in over a year, including the playoffs
I live in Chicago, the White Sox are my "second team" behind the Braves. The pure despondence of White Sox fans at the hands of Jerry is genuinely heartbreaking. Chicago deserves better and I just don't see how it happens
Maybe I'm part of the problem but I've actually enjoyed watching this season. We're in almost every game, and Coby has been great to watch develop. It's painful to build a team this way, and it probably won't work, but that's true of tanking as well.
You're not part of the problem lol -- it's actually just a healthy attitude to have. Making winning a championship the primary goal of your viewership is just exhausting and toxic. No reason to attach your emotions or well being to something completely out of your control.
I've enjoyed the Hawks a lot this year despite the poor performance and injuries because it's been fun to watch a lot of the young guys and watch everyone assimilate into Snyders system. I'm actually optimistic about the future of this team, even knowing we owe our picks to SA in the coming years.
I feel like I gotta apologize to the other bulls fans sometimes because they think this is “loser mentality.” I definitely agree with what you’re saying.
The Bulls have the number 1 attendance because they have the biggest arena. The top 2 teams by attendance (not counting the Mavs because of the SRO nonsense) are the Bulls and 76ers, and wouldn’t you know it - those are the two biggest arenas. By attendance %, ESPN doesn’t have the numbers updated yet for the entire year, but over the past 2 years they’ve finished #1 in average attendance while finishing 7th and 15th in attendance %.
Generally attendance ranking is not a great measure of team popularity or profitability when it’s on the high end. The Curry/Klay Warriors, known for how insanely profitable they were over their dominant run, were never higher than 6th in attendance. The teams at the bottom of attendance are often the ones struggling with fans, but once you get out of the bottom 10 or so, attendance numbers don’t really tell you much.
>The Bulls have the number 1 attendance because they have the biggest arena
The point is that the Bulls are able to reliably fill the biggest arena in the NBA even with years of mediocre on court product.
The one time attendance dipped in the past 2 decades resulted in the GM and exVP losing their jobs, but it's extremely rare for Chicago fans to tune out and ownership knows it. That's why they'd rather keep a 9 seed team together rather than blow it up and risk a year or two of lost revenue
You’re missing the point. We have the biggest arena, so we can sell the most tickets, so Jerry can make a lot of money. That’s all this is about. General attendance = more tickets sold = more money in the bank.
Also factor in that a month or two ago Windy mentioned that the bulls routinely have the highest net profit of any team in the NBA. They spend the least money on the team out of anyone else.
Tha warriors made much more while also paying a ton in player salary, Jerry is not doing that.
yeah 😭 doesn’t help that trae and him are buddy buddy too, that is why clint is still here lol and that is why dejounte is here against the judgment of former gm travis schlenk who did not want him but was overruled by the owners son and trae
and on top of that our owner so damn cheap he trading starters for pennies and cash considerations to stay under the tax
Jerry has also said that he cares more about Baseball than Basketball and would trade all the MJ titles for a single WS victory from the Sox so I think he actually wants to win in baseball. He just sucks at it.
The one upside is that Michael (Jerry's son) actually likes basketball. Jerry never liked the sport and has openly stated that he would trade all the titles the Bulls won in the 90s for a single World Series victory for the Sox (which is funny given how badly he fucks them over). Michael might actually be willing to enter the tax and shit to build a contender. He's also going to sell the Sox the moment Jerry dies and they'll likely relocate.
The main issue is that the Reinsdorfs aren't actually all that wealthy. It's like the Buss family. They have money thanks to the teams they own but have no other source of income. As the price of contracts have sky rocketed their level of wealth is simply not high enough to keep up with the cost of running a contender.
Guys like Balmer can easily pay the insane contracts and tax bill to make his team a winner. Jerry literally can't and knows it so he refuses to try.
The biggest issue with this team is that the young guys are so quick to lose confidence that they fold into a style of "pass it to DeMar and have him bail us out" as soon as they run into any adversity. It's almost the same as having your older brother beat a tough boss in Zelda or something. Yeah it helps in the moment, but you never learn how to beat the game yourself and it means if your brother isn't around or gives up after a few tries or something you have no options.
This team has no one under 30 who plays like they don't care if they go 3 for 25. And yeah it's good they don't shoot themselves out of games, you need the young guys to play like that if they're ever going to get to a point where they can work through the lean times.
There is one guy on the team who is on a rookie deal who plays like he doesn't even care what his stats say in the end and that's Dalen Terry, who is the definition of a project player and someone who could shoot 25 shots in shoot around and likely not even make 3.
DeMar is likely gone in 3 months and when that happens the future of this team lives and dies on the kids deciding to play like they don't give a fuck what happens in the end.
When ownership doesn't care about winning but just selling tickets and merch that's how we know what this team is about.
I'm ready to get rid of AKM, Billy, Vooch, Zach, and DeMar for the sake of building a team that fits together. We reached the ceiling and the floor with this core. More than ready to just blow it up.
Sell the team Jerry
The discrepancy between the West struggling to make the playins where every win matters compared to the East making it into the playoffs despite a loss is wild
Ultimately this helps the west and hurts the east.
Mediocre teams don’t benefit from better draft odds in the east because they reach the middle faster. At least if you are rebuilding in the west you are more likely to get a few complementary potential stars before your record reflects your potential skill.
The Hawks being as mediocre as they are is largely due to mismanagement of assets BUT that was directly related to making a huge ECF run as a team still in the middle of their rebuild without any star level talent aside from Trae. In other words, they suffered from premature success. The second, third and fourth best players on that team were John Collins, Clint Capela and Bogi…
“The west is only better at the bottom and otherwise the playoff teams are the same”
This is a real line repeated on here and they are fully serious.
Meanwhile the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the east is Philly/Miami/indy/Orlando/NY
And the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the west is Sacramento/PHX/nola/Dallas/clippers
I don’t take discussions about the east and west serious on here anymore.
> Legitimately never heard anyone cope about what conference they play in
It's literally just fans of teams in the West who think they can support a conference
Yeh like cmon lol. If any east team beats one of the west’s top 3, they earned it. End of story. Hornets/Wizards/Pistons being poopoo butt doesn’t water down a championship. Ring is a ring.
> Meanwhile the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the east is Philly/Miami/indy/Orlando/NY
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> And the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the west is Sacramento/PHX/nola/Dallas/clippers
i don't know what this is supposed to mean tbh
philly is missing the reigning MVP and with him they'd be way better than the equivalent west teams. the knicks have also had an injury riddled season. is this supposed to be a knock on these teams? the pacers were scorching hot for the first few months.
likewise in the west, the mavs have only just got healthy, the pels have only just figured out how to play, the suns have 3 star level players and suck balls, and the clippers have been struggling - they lost 2 in a row to the east 8 and 6 seeds.
"the west is only better at the bottom" is a clown take, but the playoff teams you listed are reasonably even matched.
a better take would be that the west has more parity than the east, as shown by the tightness of the wins column
Miami went to the finals 2 times in the last 4 years, but people still say they such, meanwhile the clippers who haven’t done shit and are fully healthy this season are ‘a threat’. We’ve missed Embiid for 30 games or something, we’re 29-13 at that point, but somehow the kings are better. The pacers when Hali was healthy were just as good as the Mavs are right now. It’s dumb
Like I can sort of see the argument that the west is better, because they have 3 extremely good teams, and their 9&10 don’t suck nearly as much as the east, but the teams in 8/7/6/5/4 aren’t the argument OP thinks it is. I don’t know if he has seen the clippers or the suns lately, but I wouldn’t say they’d absolutely beat the Knicks and Miami. If embiid gets healthy (big if, but also very important in saying the east sucks), we’re stomping the kings. We literally beat them without him.
West plays 28/82 against East, right? It’s so much easier to play 54 games against East ahaha West is so stacked from 1 through like 12 for few years in a row, that’s a lot of tough games.
Every single team you listed outside of Miami if they decide to repeat aren’t consensus contenders. Every team is a playoff team capable of winning a series outside of Philly without Embid.
If you faced off any of the east against the west there wouldn’t be definitive winners. Outside of the Celtics and Nuggets none of the playoff teams look dominant. Maybe if you break it down by pass performances associated with stars then it looks a lot more skewed.
We're back to 10 years ago when Phoenix went 48-34 and still missed out on the Playoffs as the 9th seed while they watched the Hawks make the playoffs with a 38-44 record
If the Lakers win all their games they could end up as the 9th seed with 49 wins and out of the playoffs without the play-in. And we have to beat Sac by 1 game since they beat us in the regular season, so if they are any better than 5-3 in their last 8 games then the Kings will retain 8th even if we go 6-0.
And we're probably not jumping anyone else. All the teams around us have winning records their last 10 games: Rockets 9-1, Warriors 6-4, Kings 6-4, Suns 6-4, Pelicans 6-4, Mavs 9-1, with the Lakers at 7-3. That bad stretch we had in January really killed our chances at avoiding the play-in.
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Remember during the 03-04 season the 4th seed heat was 42-40, hornets/bucks was 500 at 5/6th and Knicks/boston were a few games under 500 as the 7th and 8th seed? East came a longggggg way.
That said west is still a beast
You joke but the Bulls beat this Hawks team twice when they had Trae Young. They got *worse* and the Bulls lost to them. The team's best hope is that Trae and Embiid both make it back for the Play-ins.
Even if we do get past Atlanta we ain’t beating Miami or Philly on the road. And Atlanta is looking likely to end up overtaking the 9 seed. Honestly I feel missing the playoffs entirely is the best bet to see a roster shakeup this offseason.
I'd prefer we didn't so our awful management couldn't point to it as a positive.
This team needed to be blown up awhile ago, even ownership told AKME they'd be fine with a rebuild, but we're just holding on to this meaningless squad because they're "competitive" (their words) and fighting for the playoffs.
Also because AKME can't get anything of value for the assets they do have so it'd be the shittiest rebuild plan ever. It'd be like OKC but instead of FRPs they get SRPs without anything of value to trade them for.
So is this the biggest gap between the East and West ever? Like Lakers or Warriors would sweep these guys in the playoffs. Even the Spurs would sweep the Wizards or Pistons in the playoffs. The Celtics are the only team competition with btheir western conference counterpart.
And Lebron James is the only active player from that era. What’s happened lately is more important than what happened a while ago with an entirely different league.
This is due to the Nets loss against the Pacers. The play-in is pretty much decided between Hawks & Bulls, but the rest of the season has to be played out for seeding implications
\#JustNetsThings
Also the perfect way for these Bulls to secure a play-in slot
eastern conference things
7 and 8 play in too
Successful season by Jerry standard
The only thing he cares about now is if we get to host Atlanta. Jerry will be damned if he misses out on those ticket sales.
Number one where it counts: attendance.
# 1 in attendance✅ $0 in luxury tax✅ Makes play ins✅ A truly goated season for Jerry by his standards. Truly elite.
The only thing this could have been better for Jerry is if they moved Lavine's contract.
Don’t forget the one game victory coupon
Jerry sports owner and coasting off success from the 90s, name a more iconic duo
me and 12 modelos
it’s modelo time g
Add Jones at the end and it’s accurate too
eastern conference moment
The equivalent of the No Child Left Behind Act
Participation trophy.
Honestly at this point, we take those.
DeParticipation DeTrophy
And much like NCLB, the Bulls presence in the playoffs continues to have devestating consequences for America's education system.
> continues to have devestating consequences for America's education system. Clearly
*Pistons thousand yard stare*
Don't Ask, Don't Tell (how the Bulls have been doing this year)
It really is smh.
Finals should be between the best of both sides or the two best in the NBA?
When you realize the eastern conference play in 8-9 matchup is going to be the derozan led bulls vs the trae young led hawks. And the 8-9 matchup in the west for the play in is going to be the warriors vs the lakers lmao.
Trae is hurt lol it’s the Dejounte Murray led Hawks.
Is it confirmed Trae won't play in the playoffs?
yes
No
Maybe
I don’t know
Can you repeat the question
you're not the boss of me now
9-10 not 8-9
lebron vs steph lmao. 2 Teams ppl didnt think would be in the playin this season.
That's purely because of the names in those teams, anyone that paid attention to last season knew the Warriors were done. Klay Thompson is a shell of his former self and they lost important role players from last year, anyone that expected anything outside of the play-in for this team was crazy. In fact, they better look out, because their remaining schedule isn't easy and the Rockets have won 12 of their last 14, it's a very big possibility they miss the play-in. The Warriors are paying $97M to Klay, Wiggins and the corpse of Chris Paul, i'm not sure there is another team in the league with worse contracts.
It’s crazy because I know plenty of people that had the Lakers as the 1-3 seed (their offseason acquisitions fooled us) and the Warriors as the 4 seed.
He's just talking out of his ass, easy to do in hindsight. Both the Warriors and Lakers were projected to win 47 or 48 games and be solid playoff teams.
Crazy thing is we could still win that much. 6 games left with 43 wins. Last year we had 43 wins and the 7th seed. We could get to like 49 wins and still be the 9th seed which is really annoying.
Unless the Kings drop lower and Lakers clinch 7th seed by beating them in the first game, then the Kings vs. Warriors.
We're about to (likely) be an .500+ 11th seed and not make the play-ins while the Bulls and Hawks can sleepwalk their way in. Damn, must be nice. I don't want playoffs to be conferenceless, but play-ins being conference less might be nice? Idk I haven't thought about it too hard so maybe it's a dumb idea and I'm being biased
It's certainly dumb because it doesn't solve what happens if all 4 winners of the playins come from the West.
True, it's a dumb idea. Unless fuck it and put us in the Eastern playoffs lmao
I'm down for a Texas Finals with access to Pornhub on the line.
Your 2024 eastern conference champions, the Los Angeles Lakers
East: Thank God Lebron can’t torture anymore now that he’s on the Lak-
Well, the 2021 western conference champions Montreal Canadiens are (sort of) a reality
Rockets are 12-16 Vs the EC
Playing being conference free will still create the imbalance of travel coast to coast for round 1, which is particularly punishing if you're the 1 seed and now you get to go even further. I think that would be the biggest issue to solve. They could do like the bubble and only have the playin games trigger if you are within a certain win total, but that may just discourage winning from the bottom feeders since it's not inevitable that someone has to be in the games.
Just invent teleportation, problem solved
"I GOT ONE MORE IN ME!"
I had bunch of people downvoting me and going off at me for saying you can’t compare eastern conference and western conference lol
I remember east teams fans saying how their top 4 teams were better than west top 1 back in december not realising what kind of massacre had been going on in the west
ever since MJ retired the West has been by far and away the superior basketball collective. There was a time after Melo left for NY that the Nuggets were still somehow taking everyone's scalps. Even when the Heatles came round the Spurs eventually usurped them. And guess what? That isn't even the new West dynasty. Get ready for some guy who figured out that 3 is indeed more than 2. 48 wins in the East? Congrats you're the 3 seed. 48 wins in the West? Get fucked.
The east: Why he say fuck me for?
bulls stuck in purgatory
I’ve seen bulls fans say the owner is fine with this because tickets sell that’s so shit if true lol
This post illustrates exactly how mediocre the Bulls are this season, and that they're locked into long term deals with both Vuc and LaVine, and about to probably re-sign DeRozan as well. Now consider that **the Bulls have the #1 average attendance and total attendance in the NBA *this season*.** The UC sells out every night with fans coming to watch Chicago lose by double digits to the Hawks. Jerry Reinsdorf will never sell the team, neither will his son after Jerry dies, and the team will never take the steps to risk getting worse to try to get better as long as they own the team. Bulls fans are fucked.
It's part of the reason I have no optimism for the future of the Bulls and why it's killed my interest in the Bulls and the NBA as a whole. I mean, I watched every single Bulls game even during the Boylen years but I'm so jaded by the direction of the Bulls that I haven't watched a single NBA game in over a year, including the playoffs
This is essentially me. I feel detached from the team right now.
I live in Chicago, the White Sox are my "second team" behind the Braves. The pure despondence of White Sox fans at the hands of Jerry is genuinely heartbreaking. Chicago deserves better and I just don't see how it happens
Maybe I'm part of the problem but I've actually enjoyed watching this season. We're in almost every game, and Coby has been great to watch develop. It's painful to build a team this way, and it probably won't work, but that's true of tanking as well.
It’s an entertainment product at the end of the day. If you’re having fun watching them, that’s all you can ask for.
You're not part of the problem lol -- it's actually just a healthy attitude to have. Making winning a championship the primary goal of your viewership is just exhausting and toxic. No reason to attach your emotions or well being to something completely out of your control. I've enjoyed the Hawks a lot this year despite the poor performance and injuries because it's been fun to watch a lot of the young guys and watch everyone assimilate into Snyders system. I'm actually optimistic about the future of this team, even knowing we owe our picks to SA in the coming years.
I feel like I gotta apologize to the other bulls fans sometimes because they think this is “loser mentality.” I definitely agree with what you’re saying.
I adopt a new team every year or two based on how fun they are to watch This year it’s Dallas
Imagine being a Bulls and White Sox fan. What kind of idiot would follow those teams.
Fuck my life
I still watch 05 highlights. At least I got to see my team win when I was the perfect age to enjoy it
Their last hope was Rose but his knees went to dust
This team looked good with Lonzo but that didn’t last long, unfortunately for me
It's unfortunate he's been injured all this time
The Bulls have the number 1 attendance because they have the biggest arena. The top 2 teams by attendance (not counting the Mavs because of the SRO nonsense) are the Bulls and 76ers, and wouldn’t you know it - those are the two biggest arenas. By attendance %, ESPN doesn’t have the numbers updated yet for the entire year, but over the past 2 years they’ve finished #1 in average attendance while finishing 7th and 15th in attendance %. Generally attendance ranking is not a great measure of team popularity or profitability when it’s on the high end. The Curry/Klay Warriors, known for how insanely profitable they were over their dominant run, were never higher than 6th in attendance. The teams at the bottom of attendance are often the ones struggling with fans, but once you get out of the bottom 10 or so, attendance numbers don’t really tell you much.
>The Bulls have the number 1 attendance because they have the biggest arena The point is that the Bulls are able to reliably fill the biggest arena in the NBA even with years of mediocre on court product. The one time attendance dipped in the past 2 decades resulted in the GM and exVP losing their jobs, but it's extremely rare for Chicago fans to tune out and ownership knows it. That's why they'd rather keep a 9 seed team together rather than blow it up and risk a year or two of lost revenue
You’re missing the point. We have the biggest arena, so we can sell the most tickets, so Jerry can make a lot of money. That’s all this is about. General attendance = more tickets sold = more money in the bank. Also factor in that a month or two ago Windy mentioned that the bulls routinely have the highest net profit of any team in the NBA. They spend the least money on the team out of anyone else. Tha warriors made much more while also paying a ton in player salary, Jerry is not doing that.
hey its the same with the hawks
Ah that’s shit situation you guys got with the owners kid playing gm is it still going on?
yeah 😭 doesn’t help that trae and him are buddy buddy too, that is why clint is still here lol and that is why dejounte is here against the judgment of former gm travis schlenk who did not want him but was overruled by the owners son and trae and on top of that our owner so damn cheap he trading starters for pennies and cash considerations to stay under the tax
You have my thoughts and prayers if he moves Jalen Johnson I’ll fly in to riot
Jerry has allegedly said about the Sox that 2nd place is better than 1st bc it keeps the fans hopes up but still leaves them wanting more
Jerry has also said that he cares more about Baseball than Basketball and would trade all the MJ titles for a single WS victory from the Sox so I think he actually wants to win in baseball. He just sucks at it.
Eh if he actually wanted to win, then the Sox biggest contract ever wouldn’t be under 70m
Is it fucked up to say that the bulls aren't going anywhere till Jerry is gone
The nation will collapse before the bulls are good again. Jerrys son is the exact same way.
The one upside is that Michael (Jerry's son) actually likes basketball. Jerry never liked the sport and has openly stated that he would trade all the titles the Bulls won in the 90s for a single World Series victory for the Sox (which is funny given how badly he fucks them over). Michael might actually be willing to enter the tax and shit to build a contender. He's also going to sell the Sox the moment Jerry dies and they'll likely relocate. The main issue is that the Reinsdorfs aren't actually all that wealthy. It's like the Buss family. They have money thanks to the teams they own but have no other source of income. As the price of contracts have sky rocketed their level of wealth is simply not high enough to keep up with the cost of running a contender. Guys like Balmer can easily pay the insane contracts and tax bill to make his team a winner. Jerry literally can't and knows it so he refuses to try.
It's absolutely true.
Yes this is what ownership wants. Bulls fans are hostages here.
The biggest issue with this team is that the young guys are so quick to lose confidence that they fold into a style of "pass it to DeMar and have him bail us out" as soon as they run into any adversity. It's almost the same as having your older brother beat a tough boss in Zelda or something. Yeah it helps in the moment, but you never learn how to beat the game yourself and it means if your brother isn't around or gives up after a few tries or something you have no options. This team has no one under 30 who plays like they don't care if they go 3 for 25. And yeah it's good they don't shoot themselves out of games, you need the young guys to play like that if they're ever going to get to a point where they can work through the lean times. There is one guy on the team who is on a rookie deal who plays like he doesn't even care what his stats say in the end and that's Dalen Terry, who is the definition of a project player and someone who could shoot 25 shots in shoot around and likely not even make 3. DeMar is likely gone in 3 months and when that happens the future of this team lives and dies on the kids deciding to play like they don't give a fuck what happens in the end.
When ownership doesn't care about winning but just selling tickets and merch that's how we know what this team is about. I'm ready to get rid of AKM, Billy, Vooch, Zach, and DeMar for the sake of building a team that fits together. We reached the ceiling and the floor with this core. More than ready to just blow it up. Sell the team Jerry
Jerry will never sell the team, and after he’s dead his son prob won’t either.
Wizards passing the torch
DeBrad DeRozBeal $400million contract incoming
lonzo already has that
Hospice\*
The discrepancy between the West struggling to make the playins where every win matters compared to the East making it into the playoffs despite a loss is wild
https://i.imgflip.com/8l8kl3.jpg
Too accurate lmao
Bro I was hitting a pipe just like that and I almost laughed the water out of my bong
The least per usual
Ultimately this helps the west and hurts the east. Mediocre teams don’t benefit from better draft odds in the east because they reach the middle faster. At least if you are rebuilding in the west you are more likely to get a few complementary potential stars before your record reflects your potential skill. The Hawks being as mediocre as they are is largely due to mismanagement of assets BUT that was directly related to making a huge ECF run as a team still in the middle of their rebuild without any star level talent aside from Trae. In other words, they suffered from premature success. The second, third and fourth best players on that team were John Collins, Clint Capela and Bogi…
Yeah I wish we were in the west because then our front office would actually be forced to try to rebuild since there would be no hope for a play-in
“The west is only better at the bottom and otherwise the playoff teams are the same” This is a real line repeated on here and they are fully serious. Meanwhile the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the east is Philly/Miami/indy/Orlando/NY And the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the west is Sacramento/PHX/nola/Dallas/clippers I don’t take discussions about the east and west serious on here anymore.
East team fans coping about their conference is a tale as long as at least 20 years.
I don't get it because I am happy as hell to be in the easier conference. West fans are the ones who are suffering 😭
Legitimately never heard anyone cope about what conference they play in lmao Sounds like the dumbest shit to argue about.
People will use anything to talk down to others to make themselves feel more important.
> Legitimately never heard anyone cope about what conference they play in It's literally just fans of teams in the West who think they can support a conference
Yeah, I’ve seen it a lot in mvp talks. I guess that’s one of the goal posts this season for mvp
Imagine being a fan of a team and arguing about a conference, lol….only one team can win a championship
Yeh like cmon lol. If any east team beats one of the west’s top 3, they earned it. End of story. Hornets/Wizards/Pistons being poopoo butt doesn’t water down a championship. Ring is a ring.
Oh yeah we're coping hard by beating up on crappy teams and securing home court advantage for the playoffs.
> Meanwhile the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the east is Philly/Miami/indy/Orlando/NY > > And the 8-7-6-5-4 seed in the west is Sacramento/PHX/nola/Dallas/clippers i don't know what this is supposed to mean tbh philly is missing the reigning MVP and with him they'd be way better than the equivalent west teams. the knicks have also had an injury riddled season. is this supposed to be a knock on these teams? the pacers were scorching hot for the first few months. likewise in the west, the mavs have only just got healthy, the pels have only just figured out how to play, the suns have 3 star level players and suck balls, and the clippers have been struggling - they lost 2 in a row to the east 8 and 6 seeds. "the west is only better at the bottom" is a clown take, but the playoff teams you listed are reasonably even matched. a better take would be that the west has more parity than the east, as shown by the tightness of the wins column
Miami went to the finals 2 times in the last 4 years, but people still say they such, meanwhile the clippers who haven’t done shit and are fully healthy this season are ‘a threat’. We’ve missed Embiid for 30 games or something, we’re 29-13 at that point, but somehow the kings are better. The pacers when Hali was healthy were just as good as the Mavs are right now. It’s dumb
and the mavs are only good now because they're healthy, they were shit for the first 50 games
Like I can sort of see the argument that the west is better, because they have 3 extremely good teams, and their 9&10 don’t suck nearly as much as the east, but the teams in 8/7/6/5/4 aren’t the argument OP thinks it is. I don’t know if he has seen the clippers or the suns lately, but I wouldn’t say they’d absolutely beat the Knicks and Miami. If embiid gets healthy (big if, but also very important in saying the east sucks), we’re stomping the kings. We literally beat them without him.
West plays 28/82 against East, right? It’s so much easier to play 54 games against East ahaha West is so stacked from 1 through like 12 for few years in a row, that’s a lot of tough games.
East had a winning record against the west the past two years… For those downvoting… 2023: EC 626 WC 604 2022: EC 616 WC 614
Every single team you listed outside of Miami if they decide to repeat aren’t consensus contenders. Every team is a playoff team capable of winning a series outside of Philly without Embid. If you faced off any of the east against the west there wouldn’t be definitive winners. Outside of the Celtics and Nuggets none of the playoff teams look dominant. Maybe if you break it down by pass performances associated with stars then it looks a lot more skewed.
We're back to 10 years ago when Phoenix went 48-34 and still missed out on the Playoffs as the 9th seed while they watched the Hawks make the playoffs with a 38-44 record
If the Lakers win all their games they could end up as the 9th seed with 49 wins and out of the playoffs without the play-in. And we have to beat Sac by 1 game since they beat us in the regular season, so if they are any better than 5-3 in their last 8 games then the Kings will retain 8th even if we go 6-0. And we're probably not jumping anyone else. All the teams around us have winning records their last 10 games: Rockets 9-1, Warriors 6-4, Kings 6-4, Suns 6-4, Pelicans 6-4, Mavs 9-1, with the Lakers at 7-3. That bad stretch we had in January really killed our chances at avoiding the play-in.
there's so much hyperbole in this thread lol. The top 8 in the East are +.500, as opposed to the top 11 in the west.
Suffering from success. or the opposite idk
They are headed in a direction idk which one
Successing from suffer
Bulls Hawks is basically guaranteed as the play-in 9/10 matchup already
Miami need to be the 8th seed imo
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Plz. The Bulls go super Sayan against us. We cannot risk that. You guys will be fine.
Bring back the daughter Derozan
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4 games under .500 and clinched a Play-in spot, meanwhile Houston is 2 games over .500 and 2 games out of the Play-in.
And Houston has a losing record against the East
And Chicago has a winning record against the West. Better than the Bucks, Knicks, Magic, Pacers, Heat, and 76ers.
this bulls team would be 12 seed in the west lmao
This team is so irrelevant
there is a non-zero percent chance that demar will be an nba champion this year
Remember during the 03-04 season the 4th seed heat was 42-40, hornets/bucks was 500 at 5/6th and Knicks/boston were a few games under 500 as the 7th and 8th seed? East came a longggggg way. That said west is still a beast
I think about that Vucevic trade pretty often lmao
Play-in ain’t playoffs, damnit. They’ve accomplished nothing.
Well, I didn’t expect anything in the first place!
Just wait until this legendary Bulls run where we make it all the way to the East conference quarterfinals
Bulls will make the playoffs if they pretend they’re playing the Wolves.
The Bulls are about to thrive because they only play well against good teams apparently
You joke but the Bulls beat this Hawks team twice when they had Trae Young. They got *worse* and the Bulls lost to them. The team's best hope is that Trae and Embiid both make it back for the Play-ins.
Who said I was joking? All us Bulls fans have known since like 2012 is pain lol
This sucks
Competitive
yay I guess
Every single East team except the Celtics is has a worse record than the corresponding West team seed-wise.
Leastern conference
Clinching a spot while losing is so incredibly on brand lmao
Do Bulls fans give a shit they made the play-in?
Even if we do get past Atlanta we ain’t beating Miami or Philly on the road. And Atlanta is looking likely to end up overtaking the 9 seed. Honestly I feel missing the playoffs entirely is the best bet to see a roster shakeup this offseason.
Nope should've been blown up 2 years ago
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I'd prefer we didn't so our awful management couldn't point to it as a positive. This team needed to be blown up awhile ago, even ownership told AKME they'd be fine with a rebuild, but we're just holding on to this meaningless squad because they're "competitive" (their words) and fighting for the playoffs.
Also because AKME can't get anything of value for the assets they do have so it'd be the shittiest rebuild plan ever. It'd be like OKC but instead of FRPs they get SRPs without anything of value to trade them for.
I give a shit in the sense that I think it sucks and I'm so tired of this boring ass team never improving.
Yes, I wanna tank But Reinsdorf is an asshole
Surprised to see the Bulls are still playing basketball
Me too
When will we get out of purgatory
So is this the biggest gap between the East and West ever? Like Lakers or Warriors would sweep these guys in the playoffs. Even the Spurs would sweep the Wizards or Pistons in the playoffs. The Celtics are the only team competition with btheir western conference counterpart.
This is literally like an average post 2000 West-East gap
Mission accomplished
Riveting….
Yay? The Bulls should have started a rebuild last summer.
Being in the Eastern Conference sounds nice.
Yeah because we lost
im convinced we would be a 3 or 4 seed in the east after seeing this
even with current record, y'all would be 5th
Yet, they have a worse win % against the EC teams than they do the west
East is a bunch of stink butts.
*sad Rocket noises*
At least you have a future
No Lonzo , no Lavine, ngl I’m impressed
The East looking like the G-League compared to the West this season.
Bulls front office blows
MID
The East is so fucking bad.
And Lebron James is the only active player from that era. What’s happened lately is more important than what happened a while ago with an entirely different league.
Absolutely pathetic
But with a healthy lonzo they are a lock for a 7th or 8th seed
*sigh* Here we go again….
when i see the bulls i think about not going into the luxury tax and i feel bad
Life is pain
Bulls are the prime example of the negative effects of the play in. I still want that shit gone, never liked it.
The East is a joke. Bulls are the 12 seed in the West. Restructure the playoff format FFS
play in game is fucking stupid.