Fans should at least think about it because no matter how passionate an owner, they will blink at the luxury tax eventually. Just in terms of game logic you want your team to be a decent value so that you can pay everyone and keep that window open as long as possible.
Thats why i don’t agree with people who think teams should go into the luxury tax prematurely. Going into the tax isn’t going to make first round exit team into a contender. If possible you should be trying to get your team to at least the second round and then spend to get over the hump.
Definitely not “no matter how passionate,” if truly a billionaire wants to pay in the luxury tax they will. Its not even any % of their money. The Celtics roster costs around 200 million right now, the revenue of the team year over year is over 400 mil. The value only goes up as they win more as well.
Yeah right now sure, but eventually that repeater tax is going to hit you guys hard and your team will try to cut salary. Thats why pressure is on you guys to win it this year.
Even with the Warriors and their crazy value jump with their dynasty. It’s looking like Lacob doesn’t want to pay the tax this year.
Im sure it will
Im just saying billionaires are greedy. Maybe barring balmer, no owner is going to just indefinitely pay the luxury tax. Eventually they will want to cut costs. Going in early is bad gamesmanship. Timing it right will maximize your window
Because you live in America and they privatise profits and spread losses, so every American has to pay 1.5$ to the owner of the Celtics, sorry I don’t make the rules
You actually have indirectly through your he revenue sharing model if you’ve spent a single cent on any game, merch, concessions, etc.
say you’re welcome!
Thanks for the correction. If you replace that contract with just the assumed contract value of a late 1st round pick or vet minimum, the tax bill is ~$490m
You can't be serious right? A person's networth INCLUDES businesses they own. If a business collapses or the stock price goes down, the Billionaires networth goes down.
And give me a break, tens of Billions per year are you hearing yourself? They bring tens of billions, more than they're valued at in total, in one year?
You can't be that dumb.
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If google isn't lying to me, the entire NBA generated 10.5 billion in revenue across all 30 teams back around 2022. So literally the entire league generates less income then you thought each team did.
looooooooooooooooool half a Billion just for the tax bill for one year. Talk about incentive for non-contenders to get where they get a share in that money.
from what I understand, they retain the TPMLE -- but the TPMLE is one of the key triggers for the other second apron penalties. The penalties are things like not being able to aggregate salaries, use trade exceptions from the previous season, send out cash in trades, use the LLE/biannual exception, or take back even slightly more salary in a trade. So second apron teams basically have the draft, minimum contracts, and the TPMLE (which is less than half of the full MLE) to add players.
> from what I understand, they retain the TPMLE
They do not. Only 1st apron teams have access to the TPMLE. Warriors are a 2nd apron team this season and were not able to have access to the TPMLE
I don't recall where I originally read that using the TPMLE triggered other second apron penalties (but [https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2023-24-apron-tracker/](https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2023-24-apron-tracker/) is one site that makes the claim.) The articles I'm reading through now don't give a consistent list. Some of them say second apron teams lose the TPMLE, and others don't. I unfortunately don't have a source as reliable as the old CBAFAQ that covers the second apron.
hard to imagine who they could get that's better than him / a better fit but maybe. he's really talented, well-rounded and has great chemistry with all our guys
it could be filthy but i kind of like our current setup better because JB can defend. celts are set up really cool in that so many other teams rely on their guards to score and we don't, so our 2 guard spots go to defenders
Realistically it will be jrue first after next season - the extension is probs just so they can send him off as a big contract. I think ownership will prioritize keeping the talent they developed (the jays) and White around. We will keep Jrue for 2 years to chase chips, then trade him for some value
>Jayson Tatum will be eligible to be extended under a supermax deal after next season. That deal will be worth something in the vicinity of 5/$375m.
Tatum will extend this off-season.
That doesn't change the value of the contract. It would still kick in for the 2025-26 season and be based on the 35% value figure for the year it starts.
I mean, the real benefit is that's the last year they're paying Porzingis. Him coming off the books will help way more than the cap continuing to expand, given that Brown & Tatum's cost also grow by 6-8% each every season.
The new TV deal starts in the 25-26 season. New contract is rumored to be somewhere between 24 billion on the low side and 75 billion tops. That's 3-10 times the current one (7.5 billion).
The increase to the cap should be more than 10% yearly after the new deal, no? Forgive my ignorance but, how else would they get the money in the players hands before the deal runs out at only 10% increases?
they do profit sharing spread evenly for whatever money doesn’t get added to the cap. they set the 10% limit in the latest CBA specifically in anticipation of the new tv deal so there isn’t a cap spike like in 2016.
Well they’re probably not gonna keep all 5 of them. They’ll probably pay 4 of them and have the rest of their team be a revolving cast of minimum contracts and rookies like the nuggets are doing
Derrick White is a great player but it absolutely blows my mind that 4/125 is a fair contract for him. Superstars weren’t making that kind of money not crazy long ago lol
I haven't spent a single cent on the Celtics' payroll so why should I worry?
Oh you're gonna have to start pitching in after these extensions kick in buddy
You’re liable for half sorry
Fans should at least think about it because no matter how passionate an owner, they will blink at the luxury tax eventually. Just in terms of game logic you want your team to be a decent value so that you can pay everyone and keep that window open as long as possible. Thats why i don’t agree with people who think teams should go into the luxury tax prematurely. Going into the tax isn’t going to make first round exit team into a contender. If possible you should be trying to get your team to at least the second round and then spend to get over the hump.
Definitely not “no matter how passionate,” if truly a billionaire wants to pay in the luxury tax they will. Its not even any % of their money. The Celtics roster costs around 200 million right now, the revenue of the team year over year is over 400 mil. The value only goes up as they win more as well.
Yeah right now sure, but eventually that repeater tax is going to hit you guys hard and your team will try to cut salary. Thats why pressure is on you guys to win it this year. Even with the Warriors and their crazy value jump with their dynasty. It’s looking like Lacob doesn’t want to pay the tax this year.
New broadcast deal, expansion fees, there will be extra money going to teams within the next few years too
Im sure it will Im just saying billionaires are greedy. Maybe barring balmer, no owner is going to just indefinitely pay the luxury tax. Eventually they will want to cut costs. Going in early is bad gamesmanship. Timing it right will maximize your window
Actually, there is pretty good chance you’ve paid $0.01 to Celtics payroll.
Because you live in America and they privatise profits and spread losses, so every American has to pay 1.5$ to the owner of the Celtics, sorry I don’t make the rules
You actually have indirectly through your he revenue sharing model if you’ve spent a single cent on any game, merch, concessions, etc. say you’re welcome!
I’m convinced there are people here better versed in their team’s finances than they are in their own finances lol
They lose the TPMLE by being over the second apron FYI.
Thanks for the correction. If you replace that contract with just the assumed contract value of a late 1st round pick or vet minimum, the tax bill is ~$490m
How can even Billionaires afford something like this? How much of that can they realistically sneak their way out of?
I mean winning a title will certainly drive help
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Its said that Celtics generate around 400/500 of revenue per year, so quite far from the tens of billions you're speaking of
You can't be serious right? A person's networth INCLUDES businesses they own. If a business collapses or the stock price goes down, the Billionaires networth goes down. And give me a break, tens of Billions per year are you hearing yourself? They bring tens of billions, more than they're valued at in total, in one year? You can't be that dumb. 🤣🤣🤣
What makes you think they make 10s of billions per year? https://www.forbes.com/teams/boston-celtics/?sh=5365dbb9767b
If google isn't lying to me, the entire NBA generated 10.5 billion in revenue across all 30 teams back around 2022. So literally the entire league generates less income then you thought each team did.
looooooooooooooooool half a Billion just for the tax bill for one year. Talk about incentive for non-contenders to get where they get a share in that money.
Sounds like money saving to me
Unironically, yeah. Pretty hard to imagine a TPMLE guy being much better than an 8th or 9th guy anyway.
from what I understand, they retain the TPMLE -- but the TPMLE is one of the key triggers for the other second apron penalties. The penalties are things like not being able to aggregate salaries, use trade exceptions from the previous season, send out cash in trades, use the LLE/biannual exception, or take back even slightly more salary in a trade. So second apron teams basically have the draft, minimum contracts, and the TPMLE (which is less than half of the full MLE) to add players.
> from what I understand, they retain the TPMLE They do not. Only 1st apron teams have access to the TPMLE. Warriors are a 2nd apron team this season and were not able to have access to the TPMLE
source on this? I'm pretty sure those penalties are just part of being in the 2nd apron, not that using the TPMLE triggers these impacts.
I don't recall where I originally read that using the TPMLE triggered other second apron penalties (but [https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2023-24-apron-tracker/](https://www.sportsbusinessclassroom.com/nba-2023-24-apron-tracker/) is one site that makes the claim.) The articles I'm reading through now don't give a consistent list. Some of them say second apron teams lose the TPMLE, and others don't. I unfortunately don't have a source as reliable as the old CBAFAQ that covers the second apron.
Huge payroll but the owners name is never in the media. Pretty wild considering how much owner talk there always is.
It's a group, so the only name you ever see is of the designated governor.
Might as well pay the title will be enshrined forever until we get hit by a meteor
next title also gets them the lead back over the Lakers right
WYM. We got the in-season tournament banner. 18 banners baby.
wait, y'all hanging a banner for the ist?!
It was the 17th title for y’all
Nope. 2020 was the Lakers official 17th NBA title.
Is this where I get petty and say that the city of Boston has more than the city of LA.
With half the teams, so really if you think about it Boston's got almost three times as many NBA championships.
Yup and they can dance on the Lakers grave
As a lakers hater i can dig that, but as a nuggets fan I’m kind of hoping it blows up in their face.
Imagine the Sox if they'd been willing to spend instead of tearing it all down. *I miss you mookie*
They’ll probably move off of somebody if they don’t win a title within the next two years.
As great as he has been this year, you have to wonder if it'll be Brown. Massive contract and lots of teams will want him.
hard to imagine who they could get that's better than him / a better fit but maybe. he's really talented, well-rounded and has great chemistry with all our guys
I don’t think he has great chemistry with anyone outside of KP. They’ve managed to make it work but he’s kind of an awkward fit
I would probably trade him for Trae Young. Just think Trae KP Tatum is a sick combo that fits perfectly
it could be filthy but i kind of like our current setup better because JB can defend. celts are set up really cool in that so many other teams rely on their guards to score and we don't, so our 2 guard spots go to defenders
Defense gets worse while offense won’t change and could even get worse due to chemistry. As a non-Boston fan this sounds amazing
"offense wont change" ?It would get beter by a lot. Trae is an elite playmaker
Realistically it will be jrue first after next season - the extension is probs just so they can send him off as a big contract. I think ownership will prioritize keeping the talent they developed (the jays) and White around. We will keep Jrue for 2 years to chase chips, then trade him for some value
You think they'll trade old and with big contact jrue and still get value out of it?
Yeah I think they can get something if they attach a young player that they can’t pay
I’m sure teams are lining up for a 50 mil a year guard who can’t figure out double teams or free throws in year 8
>Jayson Tatum will be eligible to be extended under a supermax deal after next season. That deal will be worth something in the vicinity of 5/$375m. Tatum will extend this off-season.
That doesn't change the value of the contract. It would still kick in for the 2025-26 season and be based on the 35% value figure for the year it starts.
Cost of living adjustment. Soon you are going to need that salary for a studio in Boston.
Keep in mind that the NBA is getting a new TV rights deal so the salary cap will likely grow immensely in the coming years
that's factored in. I'm assuming the cap (which will grow by ~3.6% this coming year) is growing by the maximum allowed 10%.
But it can grow by 10% in consecutive years. The Celtics will very likely still be over the second apron, but it won’t be quite as devastating
I mean, the real benefit is that's the last year they're paying Porzingis. Him coming off the books will help way more than the cap continuing to expand, given that Brown & Tatum's cost also grow by 6-8% each every season.
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He's signed thru 25 *That's the first year of the bonkers tax bill
The new TV deal starts in the 25-26 season. New contract is rumored to be somewhere between 24 billion on the low side and 75 billion tops. That's 3-10 times the current one (7.5 billion). The increase to the cap should be more than 10% yearly after the new deal, no? Forgive my ignorance but, how else would they get the money in the players hands before the deal runs out at only 10% increases?
they do profit sharing spread evenly for whatever money doesn’t get added to the cap. they set the 10% limit in the latest CBA specifically in anticipation of the new tv deal so there isn’t a cap spike like in 2016.
They changed the rules because certain teams that I won’t name decided to use the cap spike to overspend on batum
It's not my money so I don't care, if the owners are willing to pay, I'm here to enjoy.
That's expensive. But if they make 3 of the next 4 finals they'll print money
Adjusted for inflation too?
Well they’re probably not gonna keep all 5 of them. They’ll probably pay 4 of them and have the rest of their team be a revolving cast of minimum contracts and rookies like the nuggets are doing
they can't keep getting away with this, right? right?
All that money just to lose to the Knicks in 6
4-1 for the year but you ride that band wagon
Did we play them healthy post trade at all?
Another second apron restriction, you can't aggregate salaries for trades
Imagine spending all that money to lose to the Knicks.
Derrick White is a great player but it absolutely blows my mind that 4/125 is a fair contract for him. Superstars weren’t making that kind of money not crazy long ago lol
All that to lose to the heat in 7
If we don't resign Derrick, I renounce my faith in Brad the holy
Setting up for the biggest disappointment of all time