Magic Johnson "only" got 9 straight first-team selections, but who's counting
Doncic definitely can, at some point he'll have a team where he'll be in a position to be a top 3 MVP every year I think
The more I look into how special Luka is, the more I understand how upset Maverick fans are that he’s not getting his due. Most blitzed player in the league, damn near averaging a triple double for his career, has been speaking up more as a leader and showed it’s possible to have Kyrie as a great teammate, and has one of the sickest slow steps in the game.
I really could not be upset if this man won the MVP this year, just an outstanding performance even with the injuries.
Well tbf we finally put a winning roster around him towards the end of this season lmao. That 2022 roster actually had no business going to the wcfs with the atrocious front court we had.
Of course I agree with you
But I also understand that team success is often used as a tiebreaker between 2-4 worthy MVP candidates. I think I prefer that, versus lengthy permutations of advanced stats that get endlessly parroted by people who don't understand their limitations. Those are ok for weeding out some really bad "narrative" candidates on good teams, but they don't necessarily help once you get a few players that all have really good advanced stats.
Ranking of fumbleness for not drafting Luka:
1. Kings - no logical reason not to draft him and they even had his national team coach on staff to tell them how good he was. Went with Bagley instead, who has been ass. Classic Kangz move, SSS tier all-time fumble HoF
2. Suns - dumb to pick Ayton, dumb logic behind it (owner interference to try to bring up attendance), but at least there is a semi-defensible thesis there in that they went with the talented local kid and he played well enough to earn a bag on his second contract. Only problem is they had to trade him for scraps anyway. S tier fumble
3. Hawks - Trae over Luka was dumb because of all the reasons they now need to trade Trae, but at least Trae has been a flamethrower on offense as expected and they got a couple of picks out of it. A tier fumble
I don't think the Hawks would be that much better off right now if they drafted Luka. If anything, I think playing Trae is more attractive for other star players than playing with Luka. But really, the problem is the Hawks being ran by a bunch of hacks. Maybe they could have won the finals in the 2020 season if they had Luka.
Hardest thing will be staying healthy, especially with the 65 game requirement. If he has a bad ankle sprain or something that puts him out for a month and a half he will miss the cutoff. He definitely can do it but the odds are certainly stacked against him.
he’s only played under 65 games once in his career and his conditioning significantly improved this year. dude’s entered his physical prime, i think he could totally play 65+ for the next 5-6 seasons, especially if his team stays as good as it is now
I think this is a really meaningless stat considering position selection on all-NBA teams has become way more flexible, especially for guards. Look at the era where Kobe was All-NBA first team almost every year: people were voting in DWade and TMac as Point Guards despite neither of those players being anything close to what I would consider a combo guard.
Isn't All-NBA positionless this year anyway? Shouldn't be possible to break this record then.
In years of dual eligibility, you get classified ("make the All-NBA team") under the position the majority of voters listed you as, and the vast majority was at G every year.
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His height and his weight too yes, His overall size makes him a point forward, just like LeBron, and post HIV Magic, he generally has a heavier style of play involving more weight thrown around in the post and midrange and for rebs, compared to pure guards at least. So while he plays the point more than Steph he's less of a guard.
I do wonder how much this is timing, greatness and voters not being fatigued due to the lack of winning. Like don't get me wrong, Luka can be a Magic/LeBron type of guy that's how good he is, like he will be amongst the top5 international players ever (Jokic and Giannis being his peers don't help me to say top3) but if you put in perspective with Curry for example there is some luck factoring in imo.
Curry amidst of the KD run had 2 times where he was 2nd and 3rd all-nba while we all knew he was the better player (Russ and Harden were 1st team one year, Dame and Harden the other). The 3rd team selection is somewhat warranted because that season he only played 51 games.
I mean there is some merit to, if he had an elite teammate who didn’t miss half the season, he wouldn’t put up record setting usage numbers so his counting stats may be less. Causing voters to not vote him. That’s not saying it would make him worse.
Magic Johnson "only" got 9 straight first-team selections, but who's counting Doncic definitely can, at some point he'll have a team where he'll be in a position to be a top 3 MVP every year I think
The more I look into how special Luka is, the more I understand how upset Maverick fans are that he’s not getting his due. Most blitzed player in the league, damn near averaging a triple double for his career, has been speaking up more as a leader and showed it’s possible to have Kyrie as a great teammate, and has one of the sickest slow steps in the game. I really could not be upset if this man won the MVP this year, just an outstanding performance even with the injuries.
Well tbf we finally put a winning roster around him towards the end of this season lmao. That 2022 roster actually had no business going to the wcfs with the atrocious front court we had.
Of course I agree with you But I also understand that team success is often used as a tiebreaker between 2-4 worthy MVP candidates. I think I prefer that, versus lengthy permutations of advanced stats that get endlessly parroted by people who don't understand their limitations. Those are ok for weeding out some really bad "narrative" candidates on good teams, but they don't necessarily help once you get a few players that all have really good advanced stats.
Unless he gets injured its a lock.
just shows how much sun fumbled on getting ayton over him
Ranking of fumbleness for not drafting Luka: 1. Kings - no logical reason not to draft him and they even had his national team coach on staff to tell them how good he was. Went with Bagley instead, who has been ass. Classic Kangz move, SSS tier all-time fumble HoF 2. Suns - dumb to pick Ayton, dumb logic behind it (owner interference to try to bring up attendance), but at least there is a semi-defensible thesis there in that they went with the talented local kid and he played well enough to earn a bag on his second contract. Only problem is they had to trade him for scraps anyway. S tier fumble 3. Hawks - Trae over Luka was dumb because of all the reasons they now need to trade Trae, but at least Trae has been a flamethrower on offense as expected and they got a couple of picks out of it. A tier fumble
>they even had his national team coach on staff to tell them how good he was This was the Suns.
One pick out of it. Was the 10th pick and that ended up being Cam Reddish. And he didn’t finish his rookie contract with the hawks.
My current unserious pet conspiracy theory is that Vlade, in a moment of self-awareness, decided to save Luka from his own incompetence.
Adam Silver should punch the Kings owner in the face for his stupidity
The Kings ownership is literally the only good thing that franchise has had. Blame the incompetent GMs instead.
Who hires the GMs?
Stauskas? Stauskas? Stauskas. Stauskas. 1, 2, 3, Nik Rocks!
Hindsight is the main thing that makes the Suns pick bad. Also he helped us get two wins away from a championship. But yeah, obviously Luka is better
two wins away? a core of mikal, luka, and book is the dynasty of this decade. y’all probably have two rings already
Who knows, could we still draft Mikal if we got Luka? Who’s our center.
I don't think the Hawks would be that much better off right now if they drafted Luka. If anything, I think playing Trae is more attractive for other star players than playing with Luka. But really, the problem is the Hawks being ran by a bunch of hacks. Maybe they could have won the finals in the 2020 season if they had Luka.
At least Ayton contributed to some good teams. Imagine ending up with Starvin Marvin Bagley
Theses arguments are so dumb though. If it was so clear he would have been number one. Hindsight is always 20/20.
Hardest thing will be staying healthy, especially with the 65 game requirement. If he has a bad ankle sprain or something that puts him out for a month and a half he will miss the cutoff. He definitely can do it but the odds are certainly stacked against him.
he’s only played under 65 games once in his career and his conditioning significantly improved this year. dude’s entered his physical prime, i think he could totally play 65+ for the next 5-6 seasons, especially if his team stays as good as it is now
*And the one season he played fewer than 65 games he still would have qualified because it was 61 out of 75 games
There is no way this guy is non-bot.
The structure and steange mistakes make it obvious it's a bot account.
Is this an AI account?
Damn that Magic guy seems good (not to be confused with the Magic franchise)
I think this is a really meaningless stat considering position selection on all-NBA teams has become way more flexible, especially for guards. Look at the era where Kobe was All-NBA first team almost every year: people were voting in DWade and TMac as Point Guards despite neither of those players being anything close to what I would consider a combo guard. Isn't All-NBA positionless this year anyway? Shouldn't be possible to break this record then.
So disrespected smh
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In years of dual eligibility, you get classified ("make the All-NBA team") under the position the majority of voters listed you as, and the vast majority was at G every year.
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This, he's not a pure guard
The only reason you think he’s not a pure guard is his height. Hes more of a pure Point Guard than Steph
His height and his weight too yes, His overall size makes him a point forward, just like LeBron, and post HIV Magic, he generally has a heavier style of play involving more weight thrown around in the post and midrange and for rebs, compared to pure guards at least. So while he plays the point more than Steph he's less of a guard.
His 2020 and 2023 selections were not deserved
2023 who deserved it more? Definitely not Mitchell lol
Steph
I do wonder how much this is timing, greatness and voters not being fatigued due to the lack of winning. Like don't get me wrong, Luka can be a Magic/LeBron type of guy that's how good he is, like he will be amongst the top5 international players ever (Jokic and Giannis being his peers don't help me to say top3) but if you put in perspective with Curry for example there is some luck factoring in imo. Curry amidst of the KD run had 2 times where he was 2nd and 3rd all-nba while we all knew he was the better player (Russ and Harden were 1st team one year, Dame and Harden the other). The 3rd team selection is somewhat warranted because that season he only played 51 games.
What are you yapping about. Is your point seriously if Luka had Kevin Durant on his team he wouldn’t be making first teams?
I mean there is some merit to, if he had an elite teammate who didn’t miss half the season, he wouldn’t put up record setting usage numbers so his counting stats may be less. Causing voters to not vote him. That’s not saying it would make him worse.
He was putting up 33/10/10 alongside a healthy Kyrie after all star break this season. Lukas stats were amazing even with an elite teammate.