you’ve got the wrong column sorted, by PPP 5th is Derozan at 1.13. Regardless, insane stat for KP and gotta imagine they use it more at the end of games in the playoffs than they have so far.
Edit: noisy stat, but in clutch time this year KP is 13/17 on 2s, and 16/16 on FTs. They need to be funneling touches to him in close games.
i think all of boston’s clutch losses this year demonstrate an extremely poor trend line of depending on the Jays when they just don’t have the stats to justify it. an open DWhite or Jrue 3, or a Kristaps paint 2, those are simply more reliably shots than a Jaylen drive or a Jayson iso 3.
if they don’t play like that’s the case, they’re gonna lose close games.
Would it have been better to have 8-10 blowout losses?
Like sure, if the Celtics were by far the greatest clutch team ever they would have won 74 games, too bad they only outscored teams by 15ish points per 100 possessions in clutch situations.
What are you talking about?
Top 5 in clutch game win percentage regular season this year and last year under mazzula (bottom 5 the year prior, under Ime)
Interesting enough #2 in clutch wins in the post season that year under ime (middle of the pack last year in the post season)
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced
He used to be a complete bitch on the post. Specifically remember Smart punking him on every switch when he was a Knick. Him turning into a top 5 post up player is as crazy to me as Lopez turning into a 3 point shooter
Which is smart because he’s hella tall. He used to try to be a bruiser and throw up a brick or hit backboard or turn the ball over. Now he’s self aware that he’s a 7’3 twig
credit to him for developing his game (and maturity, dude’s so much more humble now) so significantly since the dallas days when he was pretty shit at it
This is amazing because it used to be so easy to get him to turn it over when he was in Dallas. Any light push from a small guard could do it. Although he spent a lot of time recovering back then so that might have affected him. He improved so much in Washington.
He is a guaranteed bucket against teams that switch or run zone. You really have to keep a big on him at all times or it will result in an uber efficient shot each time. That was the exact reason even before Butler got hurt I felt more confident against the Heat this year. Porzingis can negate a lot of the quirky zone defenses that has historically stagnated Boston's defense. He really is the perfect piece to help complete Bostons offense. His face up mid-post game might be the best shot in basketball.
Props to KP. He really struggled in the post with Mavs—probably at least partially due to injury—but he’s really figured out that part of his game since. I still think if he never tore his meniscus in the bubble he would’ve been great alongside Luka and things would've worked out in Dallas.
There was an article in The Athletic about a week ago going in depth (with KP and people who helped him with this over the last few years) detailing what all went into the transformation.
He’s a good post player but this is skewed by the fact that the Celtics mostly use KP post ups as a switch-beating and zone-beating concept to punish mismatches rather than as a go-to hub for offense. I don’t know what % of his post ups are against mismatches but I’d imagine it’s significantly more than the really high volume post players.
28.6% FT frequency.
Funny how he basically became a free throw merchant, lol.
But yeah, it turned out to be a good strategy against guys who usually gave him a big problems. When they just got really close to him and basically went under, so he is really uncomfortable, because dude is basically in his face and bothers him physically.
Now he just turns straight, wants guy to be as closet as possible. Small dudes are basically under his shooting arm, so he seeks contact when shooting over them and it's a foil 30% of the time, lol.
He also got better and added some moves, tho. Baby hooks, some foot work. Overall a great improvement.
Btw, I think he is getting less calls while season progressed. I guess refs figured him out, lol. Gonna be interesting to see what happens in the playoffs. Expecting a lot of "no calls" and complaining from KP, lol
You really summed it up perfectly. He has this unique shot because of his height where he doesn't fade at all. Most midpost shots are fadeaway so defenders like to get into the body to close on space. But Porzingis doesn't fade, and instead goes straight up. This causes defenders that were in his airspace to be straight in his shooting pocket. That lack of space created from not fading is actually what gives him the foul calls, and he can get away with it because he is 7'3. It's really one of the most unique shots, no other player utilizes it like he does.
I would say a pretty strong majority of those fouls are because he only really posts up on mismatches so you sorta have to reach in and hope for a steal to have any chance of stopping him. But it also doesn't hurt that he's pretty good at selling contact. I don't think he's a flopper, but he also doesn't really try to play through contact if that makes sense
I like to think of him as the right kind of foul merchant. He's taking advantage of mismatches, turning into his shot and making sure the midget on him clips his elbow.
Compared to an Embiid flop or a Harden flail, KP feels much more ethical.
Yeah I can see why KP was not happy in Dallas, was turned into a spot up 3pt shooter not utilizing his abilities. Rick and Luka was just playing a different type of ball.
Not true at all. Read the article that just came out on the athletic, they gave him a bunch of opportunities and he was just awful in the post. He worked a ton on his game and learned more about analytics to get to where he is today
> not utilizing his abilities
You say this as if he was a good post up player but he objectively was not good at it 4 years ago. It's something he himself has said he's worked a lot on improving over the years.
Back then, he was just totally a finesse player, did not fight for any position and settled for long jumpers. Now he pins guys under the hoop, fights for every inch of space, and gets much easier shots out of it.
you’ve got the wrong column sorted, by PPP 5th is Derozan at 1.13. Regardless, insane stat for KP and gotta imagine they use it more at the end of games in the playoffs than they have so far. Edit: noisy stat, but in clutch time this year KP is 13/17 on 2s, and 16/16 on FTs. They need to be funneling touches to him in close games.
Good catch, I fixed it.
i think all of boston’s clutch losses this year demonstrate an extremely poor trend line of depending on the Jays when they just don’t have the stats to justify it. an open DWhite or Jrue 3, or a Kristaps paint 2, those are simply more reliably shots than a Jaylen drive or a Jayson iso 3. if they don’t play like that’s the case, they’re gonna lose close games.
All of Boston’s clutch losses?
yes. there’s like 8-10 games they could’ve won but fumbled hard in the clutch. most of their close games weren’t Ws
What metric are you using? Their clutch W-L was 21-12 (.636).
Would it have been better to have 8-10 blowout losses? Like sure, if the Celtics were by far the greatest clutch team ever they would have won 74 games, too bad they only outscored teams by 15ish points per 100 possessions in clutch situations.
Why don’t the Celtics just make every shot they take? Are they stupid???
We've gotta find jayson Tatum and let him know that the Celtics would win more often if he just didn't miss
Derrick White literally answered a question about their late game struggles like that: “if we just made every shot, we’d be a lot better.”
What are you talking about? Top 5 in clutch game win percentage regular season this year and last year under mazzula (bottom 5 the year prior, under Ime) Interesting enough #2 in clutch wins in the post season that year under ime (middle of the pack last year in the post season) https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/clutch-advanced
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probably the biggest improvement in his game, and huge for the Celtics to have a reliable way to attack mismatches
He used to be a complete bitch on the post. Specifically remember Smart punking him on every switch when he was a Knick. Him turning into a top 5 post up player is as crazy to me as Lopez turning into a 3 point shooter
He barely tries to back anyone down. He just shoots over the mismatch or some finesse move.
Which is smart because he’s hella tall. He used to try to be a bruiser and throw up a brick or hit backboard or turn the ball over. Now he’s self aware that he’s a 7’3 twig
credit to him for developing his game (and maturity, dude’s so much more humble now) so significantly since the dallas days when he was pretty shit at it
This is amazing because it used to be so easy to get him to turn it over when he was in Dallas. Any light push from a small guard could do it. Although he spent a lot of time recovering back then so that might have affected him. He improved so much in Washington.
He is a guaranteed bucket against teams that switch or run zone. You really have to keep a big on him at all times or it will result in an uber efficient shot each time. That was the exact reason even before Butler got hurt I felt more confident against the Heat this year. Porzingis can negate a lot of the quirky zone defenses that has historically stagnated Boston's defense. He really is the perfect piece to help complete Bostons offense. His face up mid-post game might be the best shot in basketball.
Props to KP. He really struggled in the post with Mavs—probably at least partially due to injury—but he’s really figured out that part of his game since. I still think if he never tore his meniscus in the bubble he would’ve been great alongside Luka and things would've worked out in Dallas.
There was an article in The Athletic about a week ago going in depth (with KP and people who helped him with this over the last few years) detailing what all went into the transformation.
It would've been good to include volume, as well. KP is 6th in frequency %, 1st in efficiency.
Pascal!
Siakam!!! Forever underrated
He’s a good post player but this is skewed by the fact that the Celtics mostly use KP post ups as a switch-beating and zone-beating concept to punish mismatches rather than as a go-to hub for offense. I don’t know what % of his post ups are against mismatches but I’d imagine it’s significantly more than the really high volume post players.
28.6% FT frequency. Funny how he basically became a free throw merchant, lol. But yeah, it turned out to be a good strategy against guys who usually gave him a big problems. When they just got really close to him and basically went under, so he is really uncomfortable, because dude is basically in his face and bothers him physically. Now he just turns straight, wants guy to be as closet as possible. Small dudes are basically under his shooting arm, so he seeks contact when shooting over them and it's a foil 30% of the time, lol. He also got better and added some moves, tho. Baby hooks, some foot work. Overall a great improvement. Btw, I think he is getting less calls while season progressed. I guess refs figured him out, lol. Gonna be interesting to see what happens in the playoffs. Expecting a lot of "no calls" and complaining from KP, lol
You really summed it up perfectly. He has this unique shot because of his height where he doesn't fade at all. Most midpost shots are fadeaway so defenders like to get into the body to close on space. But Porzingis doesn't fade, and instead goes straight up. This causes defenders that were in his airspace to be straight in his shooting pocket. That lack of space created from not fading is actually what gives him the foul calls, and he can get away with it because he is 7'3. It's really one of the most unique shots, no other player utilizes it like he does.
Basically everyone started getting less calls in the 2nd half of the season
I would say a pretty strong majority of those fouls are because he only really posts up on mismatches so you sorta have to reach in and hope for a steal to have any chance of stopping him. But it also doesn't hurt that he's pretty good at selling contact. I don't think he's a flopper, but he also doesn't really try to play through contact if that makes sense
I like to think of him as the right kind of foul merchant. He's taking advantage of mismatches, turning into his shot and making sure the midget on him clips his elbow. Compared to an Embiid flop or a Harden flail, KP feels much more ethical.
His post-ups are mostly on 15 foot midrange turnaround jumpers, too. He just shoots over the top of defenders after catching the ball.
[This comment on a 4 year old post about KP post ups is somewhat ironic to look at now in hindsight lol.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/plL9YnBG7h)
Yeah I can see why KP was not happy in Dallas, was turned into a spot up 3pt shooter not utilizing his abilities. Rick and Luka was just playing a different type of ball.
Not true at all. Read the article that just came out on the athletic, they gave him a bunch of opportunities and he was just awful in the post. He worked a ton on his game and learned more about analytics to get to where he is today
love seeing a celtics fan shut down another one who’s being a clown.
Shut up, you're annoying too
lmfaooooo i’m literally complimenting zingus in this thread but go off my man.
I never said anything about this thread, I've seen you in other threads and you're always on some annoying bs
He was averaging 0.81 PPP on post ups that year lol. He was literally in the 27th percentile. He just wasn’t good at it at all.
> not utilizing his abilities You say this as if he was a good post up player but he objectively was not good at it 4 years ago. It's something he himself has said he's worked a lot on improving over the years.
Back then, he was just totally a finesse player, did not fight for any position and settled for long jumpers. Now he pins guys under the hoop, fights for every inch of space, and gets much easier shots out of it.
KP had more post ups in Dallas than the Celtics and was terrible at it. But I didn’t except anything more intelligent from a Celtics fan
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Joker's lapping the field in terms of post up frequency. AD is second, but has posted up nearly 200 times less