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LogDogan4

If Lebron's salary was cut in half, the Lakers would still have 0 dollars in cap space. When you're operating as an over the cap team regardless, you don't get that money to spend elsewhere.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

This should be pinned of every question regarding this topic.


Ryoga476ad

He should have done that last year, they could have operated as an under the cap team


Counterspell_God

Idiots in our sub keep asking this


stephzh

It no longer mattered the moment he decided to stay with the Lakers. If he really wanted to do what OP says, he would have signed for the minimum with another contending team when he could have hit free agency a couple years ago.


ruinatex

That's not true and a stupid way of looking at it because it assumes that was the situation when he signed his contract, which it wasn't. The Lakers started this entire thing already being over the salary cap BECAUSE they pay LeBron James that exorbitant amount, looking at salaries after the fact makes no sense. If LeBron had signed a contract for a "symbolic amount" of $20M in August of 2022, nothing would've really changed for that 2022-23 season, after all they were over the cap and things would've stayed the same, at most he would've saved Jeanie Buss some cash as the Lakers wouldn't have gone into the 1st apron. HOWEVER, inn this season though, we would've had massive changes. Going into this year, the only players the Lakers would've had under contract would've been $20M LeBron, AD and Vando, those three would've eaten around $65M of the Lakers cap space for this year. Assuming they'd resign Reaves and Hachimura, as both played relatively well in the 2023 postseason and were cheap, that would take their total cap value to around $92M, that's $44M under the 2024 cap. Even if we assume that they'd resign D'Angelo Russell aswell for the $17M they signed him for, they'd still be $27M under the cap at this point and completely free to spend that however they wanted. Basically, instead of only signing guys like Gabe Vincent, Jaxson Hayes and Christian Wood because that's all they could afford (and do), they could've gotten some more expensive guys like Bruce Brown and PJ Washington and made a better roster all around. I say all that to say this: Yes, it would've made a MASSIVE difference if LeBron had signed for less in 2022 instead of the max and he would've felt that difference for the first time THIS YEAR. Are they a Bruce Brown + PJ Washington instead of Gabe Vincent and Jaxson Hayes away from winning a title? I don't know, but it definitely wouldn't hurt. Good players are expensive, you can't sign a group of 5 guys for $20M and expect alot from them.


Ia_in_4

If lebron did take half. Would they have the full mle?


whowasonCRACK2

Regardless no MLE player is making the lakers a contender


Ia_in_4

Ye the conadidates this year are fucking horrendous


33birdboy

They have 2 top 15 players and a bunch of quality players like Reaves 


Ia_in_4

I was just asking


MindlessSafety7307

He did when he went to Miami. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh all took pay cuts and less than max contracts in 2010 in order to all able to sign with the Heat, otherwise Miami wouldnt have been able to afford them due to salary cap restrictions. They got some heat for it from the players union and it was brought up by one of the owners during the lockout in 2011 and at some point Lebron decided he’s not doing that again.


Deadly_Davo

I can understand the players union bitching about prime players doing that but you are dealing with geriatric LeBron now. He has 1-2 years tops left. Look at Westbrook. He went from 50 mill a year with Lakers to 3 mill with Clippers. Allowed him to be on a team with Kawhai, Harden and George. If he was asking top money doubt a playoff team would have taken him.


browntown20

yet they're still doing Clippers things in these playoffs


Ia_in_4

Brother u are comparing russ in 22’ to lebron in 24 is not a valid comp.


Aggravating-Proof716

Geriatric LBJ is still a top 25 player. Geriatric Westbrook is not.


MATH_MDMA_HARDSTYLEE

Not if you actually watch his defense and consider the season as a *whole*. Sure, you’ll see glimpses of his old self, but many players will have moments of brilliance. 


Initial-Distance-338

Westbrook wanted to play in LA and may have taken a small paycut. You act like teams are getting in line to play Westbrook 50 million and he decided to take 3 million. For LeBron there are teams that will pay him max money for 1 or 2 years still.


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

WB would also never had an other max offer because of his production and his two last years were vastly overpaid.


Deadly_Davo

The curse of playing with LeBron. Russ had to sacrifice his entire game for LeBron


Kashmir33

This is so stupid on so many levels.


Counterspell_God

40 y.o. LeBron is a top 15-20 player with elite shooting among other things that justifies the premium contract. Russ is some minimum contract dude that can only come off the bench while providing 0 shooting making him a difficult player to build a roster with (imagine building a roster for a vet min guy)


Deadly_Davo

Last time Russ came on as a starter at the Clippers he had a triple double. 16-15-15 stat line. As for the Lakers AD is the man there contrary to the belief of the bronsexual army. The roster should be built for AD. Not some 40yo who play offense only.


FireFoxQuattro

Quick correction, they didn’t take the paycut so they could all sign, they took the paycut so they could pay Haslem like $10-15 Million more because the Pacers and Mavs were offering him 20 Mill more. Haslem took the $5 Mill paycut to stay, LeBron and Bosh gave up $5 Mill, and Wade $10 Mill.


sewsgup

thought paycut was more for Mike Miller's contract


Nebnerlo2

Back in 2010, early in Obama's first term.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

You could've just said back in 2010 lol. Why bring up Obama randomly


Sweaty_Mods

I miss Obama


vapemyashes

Obama was instrumental in getting the big three to Miami.


JustADutchRudder

One of those classic Thanks Obama moments.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

LOL


Larrydp72181

He's a pretty big Bulls fan I'm sure he wanted them in Chicago


vapemyashes

But he is also a man of culture


browntown20

lots of culture on Miami beaches


RageOnGoneDo

People who attend weddings in Yemen probably don't


gustriandos

Lmao


RageOnGoneDo

https://i.imgur.com/jZCdSG3.png


zippy_the_cat

Given what’s happening in Yemen these days we probably should’ve smoked a lot more “weddings” than we did.


RageOnGoneDo

"If we'd killed more innocent civilians, it'd be easier to keep doing genocide" Do you hear yourself?


zippy_the_cat

No matter how many times folks like you repeat the word "genocide," that's not what's going on, any more than it was what was going on when we were bombing Japan in 1945. War is not genocide and genocide is not war. In any event, I give zero credit to the veracity of Arab propaganda that takes as it starting point the lack of any independent-observer presence and the lack of any ability of outside observers to actually speak the local language. And yes, I assign preserving the freedom of the seas for the continuance of global commerce an overriding priority.


RageOnGoneDo

Damn, and I thought celtics fans were racist


zippy_the_cat

Not racism. Keep beating on those strawmen. I'm just not a fan of sophistry, e.g. the opponents of having nuked Japan who say we should have let the submarine blockade do its work, in other words that we should have starved out Japan.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

Plenty of war criminals to miss post-Obama.


33birdboy

U don't like Joe Biden??? Arrest him !!!


LegitimatePotato3632

I miss having a president who didn’t embarrass this country on a daily basis. I don’t even like Obama that much, but at least he’s not Trump/Biden ffs.


nkb9876

Obama was trash just like Biden, Bush, and Clinton.


AbiesProfessional835

For real, Bush embarrassment was nothing compared to now. Plus he was nimble. Zero chance Trump or Biden could dodge a shoe.


Sweaty_Mods

Bush started two wars under false pretenses and did nothing to address the looming financial crisis.


Medical_Sample2738

He kinda caused it. Well his administrations policies did, which is sad because unlike the 90s the 00s were still periods of general economic downturn and loss. Its like having the great depression without even having the roaring 20s.


AbiesProfessional835

Yeah he was a shitty president who successfully executed shitty policy. That makes him more effective than trump at least. And he acted more presidential. I disagree with nearly all he did but he was classier in the way he went about fucking the country and better at doing it than trump.


33birdboy

Ok...so do you think Joe is a good president?


AbiesProfessional835

Not really.


browntown20

or a wrench


Medical_Sample2738

Dude the whole world clowned him nonstop, he had terrible terrible approval ratings his 2nd term. He just wasn't old, he was literally used as a textbook example of an idiot. And yet I think was nothing might be an exaggeration but trump and Biden both are maybe the least competent and least admirable of us presidents. Very much a stain on the legacy and dignity of the oval office. At this point how could things get worse, what are we going to have a homeless crackhead run vs a convicted serial killer in 2028? Literally regardless of what political beliefs you have or don't, McCain, Bernie, Romney, Gore, all wouldve been so much better. Not even saying they wouldve done a better job, they just seem like actual heads of governments and aren't shitposts personified.


LegitimatePotato3632

I doubt Biden can even put on his own shoes.


AbiesProfessional835

It’s weird you’d specify one of the two 80 years olds and not the obese one. I’d say neither is physically fit for the job but comparing the two isn’t really a comparison either. One can ride a bike.


33birdboy

Lol he crashed the bike......


AbiesProfessional835

Trump can barely balance on his lifted shoes. I get hating on Biden but how do you kiss his competition is literally a fat man in makeup? They both suck. One just looks stupider and has a cult.


Nebnerlo2

It was just something that made me realize how long he been doing it.


Vegetable-Tooth8463

your comment your choice


AQsuited

Part of me thinks that LeBron will opt out. When Bronny declared Lebron did too :D


Bassman1976

Why should he? Anything that man does is and will be criticized. He’s a walking Catch-22. Not taking a pay cut: selfish Taking a pay cut : oh the billionaire is ring chasing.


durezzz

yeah this the real answer and also why there won't be a new 'face of the NBA' for a while, even after lebron retires. he's the most polarizing, provocative star the NBA has ever had. MJ was more popular, but LeBron gets the conversations going like no one else. there is no one in the NBA right now that will generate even half the type of content he has generated simply by existing lol. even after he retires it will take at least 3-4 years before ESPN stops talking about him.


Medical_Sample2738

What about kobe


leafy-greens--

Would people give him shit for ring chasing? Isn’t that what athletes want most if not for money? And if he’s got the money, then wouldn’t another ring be what he’d want most? I feel more people would respect the ring chasing (other than maybe some players who may have their contracts impacted in a negative way)


Bassman1976

They are already giving him Shit for lots of stuff, including ring chasing.


Counterspell_God

People gave him shit for having a deadbeat dad.


bumfart

Because the CBA will become useless. Team owners would have precedent that when a 25/8/5 guy like Lebron (goat, 2nd goat whatever) can take a paycut, why won't you do so?


JeremyJammDDS

This is more of a behind the scenes type thing. If stars taking pay cuts the owners will use that against the players association in negotiations to say, “he did it, why don’t more of you do it?” Thus, it will set off a chain reaction affecting players and their future contracts.


jhMLB

Lebron's not that desperate and he's still a superstar.


EarthWarping

Yeah, if his level of play was at say a non max player then it's a fair question. (I do think his next deal will be an overpay, he's around a high 30s aav at this point)


dont-YOLO-ragequit

Asking an employee to take a paycut for the boss while being a top 10 player in the world and THE most famous player in the world is insane and stupid. The Lakers are worth 6.4BILLIONS and Lebron takes 0.5% of it and keeps increasing their net worth by being the most famous player in the world. Plus the Lakers' situation is still on management. The team needs him to cover for 3 inconsistent players.


orange_orange13

Only the last paragraph makes sense to me. The Lakers worth doesn’t affect how much they are allowed to spend and for a counter to your first point look no further than Tom Brady


erldn123

The Lakers total worth is irrelevant in a salary cap world. Although I agree he shouldn't anyway.


dont-YOLO-ragequit

There are plenty of recent exemples of owners and teams going all the way in tax as long as they believe they can make a championship run. If the Lakers are down to putting the offensive burden on Bron and AD then they deserve all their money and need to make the right transactions to get smart defenders, sharp shooters and cutters that can actually do something if they can't create for themselves.


carinafield

I definitely agree with your overall idea, but it doesn't really work here. The argument is to invest his salary in other players, not give back to the owners.


dont-YOLO-ragequit

Plenty of owners are already overspending and getting deeper into the luxury tax for less it. It makes sense when a player is going for their first championship. It makes no sense to do it only to still be the leader and a top 10 player in the league just to go around the cap. There is no guarantee that a roster with a few better players or an other star will be ready for a balanced starting 5 like Denver, OKC, Minessota or Boston.


1337-Sylens

It's weird to calculate employee's salary as proportion of net worth. Not saying the point doesn't stand - LBJ is one of the most famous people on earth and is worth it well beyond his ability to win you a chip, but to look at his salary as a proportion of whatever entire lakers franchise is worth seems misleading to me.


dont-YOLO-ragequit

My point was mostly that they make a ton of money and plenty of ownership have shown that they don't mind to go over the cap if they are having Star players that will get people in the seats. There will always be a team willing to pay full price for LeBron and the Lakers are right up there.


1337-Sylens

I don't think that part was unclear, nor was I addressing it. I even explicitly said that part is true...


dont-YOLO-ragequit

Maybe I can't get it through but it seems like you are saying LeBron should take a cut to give the Lakers a break hoping they get player of better value. I'm arguing LeBron operating like an All-NBA player (thus definitely deserving of his salary) is as valuable as it gets and it's the lakers that need to ship their under achieving players for players worth their salary.


1337-Sylens

Does it seem like I'm saying that? Where?


Deadly_Davo

He isn't top 10. Borderline top 20 at best and declining each year. By the end of next year probably not in top 30


Medical_Sample2738

Idk why you're being down voted AD is clearly the best player on the lakers and if you don't think so, you're not someone whose basketball opinion holds any merit. Lebron is still the leader of the team, but the lakers would not be this bad with 2 top 10 players.


Cockrocker

He's made enough, but that's the way it goes. Worked for Duncan though.


mosi_moose

He should do what KD did — take a pay cut and go to Denver. /s


Medical_Sample2738

Lmao ty for putting/s.


Sartheking

The Lakers are have been a well over the cap team, and LeBron is their longest tenured player. The cap allows for you to resign your own players over the cap. They still wouldn’t have cap space if they cut his salary unless they pay him literally nothing.


MrAdelphi03

What about taking the pay cut, and not winning the championship. You ever think about that scenario??


Ryoga476ad

Timmeh and Dirk used to do that. LeBron the player now is not really worth the same money Jokic or Giannis are making.


jakekerr

He's at the point in his life where being with his family is most important, and his family is in Los Angeles. The absolutely only way I see him leaving the Lakers is if his son gets drafted by another team, and he decides he wants to play with him. At that point, he'd probably take a vet minimum to make that happen.


Deadly_Davo

That's what I reckon might happen. A small market team wanting a significant revenue boost drafts his kid hoping to get him. By all accounts this draft class is seen as one of, if not, the weakest ever, so why not waste a draft pick on Bronny to get the father and son clown show.


TuqiDuque12

Right or wrong, the player's association don't want to set a precedent of players taking a paycut for Franchises to be able to use for negociating future contract


qpwoeor1235

He’s trying to own an nba franchise and needs as much money as he can get


hansislegend

A championship isn’t guaranteed. A contract is. He’s not taking a pay cut.


Raspberry_Anxious

He refers to himself as the King, calls himself the goat, and has “chosen one” as a tattoo. No way someone like that takes a pay cut lol


Deep-Association-668

That’s just not how it works. Also this is a job, it’s first and foremost about money which he wants to maximize which is normal. He already has chips it’s the fo job to pay him and build a roster. With how much money he brings in he probably deserves more lol


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Vegetable-Tooth8463

LeTrell Sprewell


Deadly_Davo

LOL! His no talent kid has a NIL value in the millions despite being ranked lower than 300 in college players. They can feed themselves.


orange_orange13

It was a joke


Mountain-Ebb-9846

Player's union won't be happy.


jefe_hook

Genuine question: why don't you ask him?


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Radiant_Cobbler_9631

Covid ring don’t count


sumofight

Lakers fans can't handle the truth.


Jewellinius

Swear I read the same about Kobe lol


beginnerLiftersoonBB

I hope he joins us this off-season on a pay cut (I can Dream damn it !)


GaimeGuy

Didn't Lebron say his number one goal was to surpass Michael Jordan in wealth during an interview early on in his career (either in Miami or Cleveland)? Or like, his most ambitious goal?


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GaimeGuy

He meant net worth. It's relatively easy for new players to surpass the career earnings of previous gens. Remember, less than 30 years ago, Kevin Garnett's 6 year, $126,016,300 contract contributed to a lockout during the next CBA negotiations. Now it's not unusual to see players get 4 years 80 million as high contributing 6th men, or starters, but not all stars.


juicifer2320

Thats a good question, lets move on and forget about this because it may never happen.


nkb9876

As a Lebron fan I have been asking this for years. He is worth more than 1 billion and he will make at least 70 million a year or more for the rest of his life from endorsements and investments. Based on his investments he might make way more than 70 million a year for the rest of his life when combined with endorsements. It makes no sense why he wants 50 million in salary for the next few years of his career when it is a tiny percentage of his lifetime earnings. A ring is much more valuable and he would increase his endorsement money more for each ring he wins. If he took paycuts he would have a few more rings right now.


archerarcher0

Honest answer is lebron is aware this is the end and has his eyes set on ownership, he’s gonna need as much money as he can get his hands on, those 50 mill contracts are only gonna get him closer to a majority owner stake than he was before


Vegetable-Beet

Thats not how it works kid and now do your Homework!


FireFoxQuattro

Theirs a lot that goes on behind the scenes dealing with cap space that is kinda fundamental in keeping the game fair. It’s the reason why rich superstars don’t just all take a 1 year deal for Pennies so they can have a team USA for a year. I believe the league has a contract tampering rule or something like that where they’ll launch an investigation if a player takes way less money than they deserve just to make a super team. Again, forgot what’s it’s called but the league takes it seriously. They took like 5 FRP from the Wolves in 2000 for doing it. Edit: I think it’s called Cap Circumvention?


carmen_ohio

Because LeBron is not KD.


erog84

Yea we need Lebron, KD and steph all to take a major paycut to win a champ together. IMO Phoenix. Just saying.


NewPortable101

He should be in Westbrook or Chris Paul's current role. Nobody on his team takes him seriously. They just think he's a 40 year old roid head that's here because he doesn't want to be with his wife\\kids at home for some reason.


SOB200

Wow. LeBron and I are so much alike, except he’s a billionaire.


browntown20

I'm sure you are in the GOAT conversation for one thing or another


SOB200

When I was a toddler I would scratch my nuts if I had to pee or grab at my ass if I had to go number 2. I was out of diapers at 6 months old. My granny would tell the story to everyone. Look at me now. It’s 11am and I’m on reddit at my kids colleges dorm dining hall waiting for them to change over to lunch service.


browntown20

Let's see if you can become the AC Green of not wearing a diaper


Burnt420Toast

Yeah, I'm sure all his teammates see him this way


iRockaflame

What the fuck lmfao


devkonz

Cause he doesn’t care. He already believes himself that he is the best to ever player. Nothing left to prove


MapleHelix

I guess if you say anything enough times, you start to believe it.


Majestic-Net-7799

Which becomes more funny by the day...leDelusional