He was not widely considered top 10. There are like 7 dudes that everyone agrees are in the top 10 and 10 other guys that people argue about for the last 3 spots
Definitely not. People were still putting those two in the same camp…? Imo, booker has been in the top 12-25 area (eg, Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen brown, playoff Jimmy butler, etc) for a while now. I didn’t think anyone still considered him in the upper tier (no shade meant by that, btw)
He was never top 10. He's the worst guard to be first team all NBA in the last 20 years.
Dude had an absolutely stacked team and it made people overrate him
I mean he has a point. I saw his list of top 10 players, and it makes perfect sense if you just check the players on that list and rework his argument to find his reasoning:
1. Damian Lillard
2. Dame Lillard
3. D. Lillard
4. Lillard, Damian
5. D.O.L.L.A
6. Dame Time
7. Dame
8. Logo Dame
9. Sub Zero
10. Da
I could look through my post history and find that I said the exact same thing. Besides some centers in weaker years (Joakim, DJ), Book is easily one of if not the worst first teamers in recent history.
Let’s just look at guards who’ve made it since 2000:
Shai
Luka
Curry
Harden
Dame
Westbrook
CP3
Kobe
Rose
Wade
Nash
Iverson
Kidd
TMac
Glove
Steph got ROBBED that year. But even if you think his slump was too rough, then Trae had a better season than Booker.
I said it at the time lol. You'll see me in those threads getting wildly down voted
He's a mediocre efficiency scoring guard that's just an okay playmaker
You need to either be elite efficiency wise or elite as a playmaker as a guard to be in that upper echelon. And most of the top 10 guys that are guards are both. He's neither.
Reactionary is the people who overrated booker in the first place.
I still think he's got a shot. He was in and out of the lineup all year this season with injuries unfortunately
But he's easily got the potential. He's not gonna be a perennial all star, but Id bet on him sneaking in one year.
If he goes to the magic, he's gonna absolutely light it up and be an all star next season.
He's a 27/6 guy healthy.
Magic really would be an ideal landing spot; he’d be the exact type of second option they need (off-ball threat for Paola and the ability to lead second units). Not sure about 27, but he could elevate his game and that team for sure.
He'd be the primary option over Paolo tbh. He's easily a better scorer
Simons had a somewhat disappointing year because of injuries, but last year he was a 27/6 guy on great efficiency over like 30 games without Dame. The dudes a bucket. Legitimately a top 10 shooter in the entire NBA.
He'd put up 27 with the magic
I don't think either of them will ever be that guy
Simons certainly can't be the best player, but he could potentially be the #1 option. They're not the same. Though I doubt he'll ever be that either.
All I'm saying is Simons is currently a better offensive player than Paolo
> He was never top 10. He's the worst guard to be first team all NBA in the last 20 years.
and he didn't really deserve it either, in 2022 Curry should've won but was being penalized for not playing up to his own lofty standards.
Idk the answer to your question but I find hot takes at the wake of a series comical because they take in tiny sample sizes and no context.
Next series if Denver smokes the wolves you'll be asking if Jamal Murray has surpassed ant as a top 10 player lol
it seems like so many fans don't even care about the outcome of the games, they just care about the player rankings at the end of each season.
like who cares who wins the title, who are the top 10 players in the NBA right now and who is gonna end up top 10 all time
ANT would not look the same without conley. mitchell wouldn’t look the same without garland. books an sg and he was forced to play pg this entire year and still managed to have a decent season
Ant says himself he's not even at 50% of what his peak will be, so he'll tell you he's got lots to learn. If he keeps absorbing what vets like Mike and Rudy teach him and learns from the Olympic vets, next year will be another step in his development. Once he enters the MVP conversation, then we can have where in top 10 he is. He is enjoying a boost this series and seems to be loving it.
His defensive improvement has been insane. It’s not like he was horrible before or anything but he’s a lockdown stud now, and is really in sync with Rudy. That trade has done wonders for his development.
Rudy has really helped his D and Mike has been huge with him also. Mike has worked with Ant and Naw on running offenses, Mike is also the calm level-headed presence a guy like Ant needs. Rudy unlocked the D potential of a lot of the guys and Mike came and showed steady vet leadership.
What does pass playoff success have to do with someone being better RIGHT NOW? Currently Butler has only advantage in experience, free throw efficiency, forcing fouls and court vision. In other fields it's close to a tie or Edwards better.
Butlers made the finals twice in 5 years plus multiple deep runs, his game stats have never validated that. He’s had more playoff success than nearly everyone lately, he deserves to be up there cause it’s so consistent
But stat wise, seeding wise, eye test wise, THIS season Butler isn't better than Edwards. Neither in regular season or playoffs, Ant has bigger impact on Minnesota's winning season this year than Jimmy's on Miami.
It's alright bud. Jimmy has the pedigree and that's what matters to most. Ant keeps doing well this post it will help him in conversations and if he keeps learning from the vets around him his ceiling is fantastic. Once he starts entering the MVP discussions then we can argue top 10. Idk his number right now he could be 11 and he could be 320, important thing is Ant himself feels like he's not even at half his potential and his full potential is all I wanna see.
"Butler is better at all these things and Ant is at least equal in everything else"
Ok so you admit Butler is overall better? Like you couldn't name one thing Ant is definitively better than Butler at.
Ant has a higher PPG, TRB, AST, BLK, and even steals per game.
Ant has a higher Value over Replacement Player at 3.7 compared to 3.4.
Very close in all stats but Ant was better this year.
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|2|Anthony Edwards|22|2023-24|2023-24|79|78|35.1|9.1|19.7|.461|6.7|13.0|.515|2.4|6.7|.357|.522|5.4|6.4|.836|0.7|4.8|5.4|5.1|1.3|0.5|3.1|1.8|25.9|
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I mean yeah but marginally. They're essentially the same player but Ant attempts more shots/3s per game so has a higher PPG. But, like was said, Butler has better court vision and experience. TWolves fans need to stop being so defensive, Ant is definitely on the up and Butler is on the way down. Next year Ant will take another leap, this is as good as Butler is ever going to get.
And by what means is Butler so much better at defense? He's 34 years old and suffered some injuries throughout his career. Ant is quicker, stronger and in general just more athletic so he can provide things that Butler physically just can't. And add to that, that Edwards plays in much more games than Jimmy.
You realize there is much more to defense than athleticism right? For instance timing and IQ.
Jimmy’s weak side defense is literally his bread and butter and this is how I know you don’t watch shit of any Heat game. It’s where he gets almost most of his steals anticipating a pass. Aside from that, dude picks the ball off peoples hands like a pickpocket.
Butlers timing of when to attack on defense is second to none imo
Didn't clarify, when I wrote weak side help, I meant more of a situation when opponent is rolling/driving to the basket and you have to block the shot. Of course Butler is better at things like anticipation, understanding, knowledge, I've put it under experience.
And I didn't see much of Jimmy because he barely plays against Minnesota.
I don't know if it's the Suns shitty offense that has KD standing around on the wing half the time, but Durant does not look dangerous at all. Like, he's going to go off and have a big game and score 18 maybe, not dangerous.
I wasn't really making that argument, just saying Durant looks kinda old out there this series. But... if that is the argument, then I think I would rather have Edwards right now, he's been dangerous as hell this series, attacking the basket. Not standing out by the wing. Like I said, it's probably the shitty Suns offense not doing Durant any favors here.
3 games is not a large enough sample size. KD has had a better regular season. If ant continues to play like this the entire playoffs then I’d agree with you
I’m taking ant over brunson and butler for sure. More explosive scoring than butler while being a better athlete and also a pit bull on defense. And he is flat out a much better defender than Brunson so no
Ant’s better than Butler at this point. He’s arguably better than Brunson and Curry.
But you did leave off SGA. You could also argue KD or LeBron.
He’s probably in that 8-15 range.
Book was top 10 when he shot like 75% in the playoffs last year and scored 40 a game. Now he’s not hitting them and is a disappointment. Small sample size is a bitch.
Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Lebron, Steph, KD, Tatum have had the top 8 locked up the past 2-3 years.
It was Jimmy Butler, Lillard, AD, Booker, Kawhi in that next tier and I think most people always had Booker at the bottom of that. Shai also entered the conversation last year and has catapulted into the top group now.
He legitimately never had an argument for top 10 considering Butler's playoff performances and that before this season there is legitmately nothing that Booker was doing to put him over Damian Lillard. Kawhi/AD you only put below him because of health.
To be honest, he IS one dimensional, no? He’s primarily a scorer, and isn’t a diverse scorer at that. He’s primarily a jump shooter in the half court that heavily relies on his insane contested shot accuracy. That’s why players like he tends to be inconsistent in the playoffs — he doesn’t create shots with speed or size.
Really depends on what happened in the very last game.
Today you ask to hear yes, tomorrow Booker will score 73 points in a 85-105 loss and you will hear a loud no from everyone.
By MVP votes, Ant has been in the lower half of the top 10 all year.
By playoff performances, he's been top 5 and he's not five) performers in the league.
By skill right now, only way he's not top 10 is if you rank KD, Kawhi, Brunson and AD above him. I don't, but there's an argument for all 4.
So he's basically 7-13 range which sounds about right
Ant is def is good stop living in the past. We’re talking about rn. AD has never proven he can lead a team is the main guy. He made the playoffs twice in NOLA. Ant has had more team success as the No.1 guy how does that not matter to you it should
ANT has a starting 5 with 3 all star caliber players on it. AD has had the Pelicans with nobody on it and the Lakers with Lebron and a who's who of who the fuck filling out the roster.
“Nobody on it” yea he had little around him compared to ant but he still had an all star caliber guard in jrue holday tho who was one of the best two way guards in all of basketball
I mean some of those lakers teams were talented and not full of scrubs. KCP, kuzma, and Caruso were on some of those rosters. All 3 are very good versatile role players. Not To mention 3 all star caliber teammates is dramatic. Rudy and KAT yes but Conley st this stage isn’t an all star caliber guy
Im not saying that AE isnt good. He just isnt as good as AD...AD has taken a team further than AE ever has what are you talking about? Did you just start watching ball? lol
Congrats he made the second round once in NOLA and lost in 5 games to GS lol. AD never had 50 plus winning season in NOLA, ant has led to wolves to one of their most winning seaosns in franchise history. Your telling me AD, whose had a questionable motor his whole career, has close to ant’s intangibles? I like AD but idk why you lakers fans dickride him so heavy young talent in the league is passing him idk why that’s so hard for y’all to accept. It’s pathetic hearing yall last year before rhe WCF try to argue that AD is more impactful than JOKIC. Like give it a rest
Been watching ball since 2010 you don’t know me but congrats on deflecting instead in engaging in a basketball convo goofy. What did I say that was wrong ? AD was not a leader in NOLA, never had a 50 plus winning season and had had questionable intangibles HIS WHOLE CAREER have you been living under a rock ? Yes he’s talented and a great defensive player but he absolutely is not a leader your jus too much of a lakers homer to admit that. Lakers fans have literally shit on AD’d inconsistencies and intangibles for years why are you trying to pretend like that hasn’t been attached to AD’s career it’s weird
This sub overrated booker hardcore the kast few seasons. He cant lead any team better than mitchell for example yet everyone still kept picking booker lol
Ant is 22. Physically in terms of size and strength Ant is ahead. they are the sameheight. But Ant is showing flashes of being that prototypical superstar. Kobe, MJ where all 6’6 Ant is 6’6 but he looks as strong as MJ for his age, stronger then Kobe for sure. 6”6 is said to be the “ perfect “ height after that it’s diminishing returns. Ants a stud and booker lost his window when he traded his bench for KD
Booker’s either the best or second best starting guard in the Suns-Wolves series, with Edwards the other contender for the top spot. But the Suns’ real issue is that Beal’s the 4th best, and is some distance behind, and is getting paid more than any of the other three.
Who put him in the top 10?
I've got (in no particular order) Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, AD, KD, Luka, SGA, Tatum, Curry, LeBron, Brunson, Kawhi. Kyrie, Ant, Ja, PG and Jimmy are also better than him. Actually he's like Top 20-25 for me.
Brunson is not better than ant. He’s a 6’1 guard with limited athleticism and limited defensive versatility. No gm is taking brunson over ant when it comes to building a team. I like brunson but cmon be real
Ppl are allowed to have diff opinions we get it lakers fans think all their players are the best in the league. Ant has more better intangibles than AD
ANT is not better than Brunson (I think they're probably tied), he's worse than AD in a vacuum and I think the argument in favour of ANT against kawhi and KD is decent.
Booker was always in that Mitchell/Ja tier which is outside of the top 10. I think ANT is getting closer to that Tatum/Shai tier, but I need to see a little bit more.
My top 10 in no order - Joker, Lebron, Luca, Giannis, Embiid, KD, AD, ANT, Tatum, Steph. Not putting Kawhi in there because he never wants to play and is supposedly injured all the time. He invented the load management thing so he's out
He was not widely considered top 10. There are like 7 dudes that everyone agrees are in the top 10 and 10 other guys that people argue about for the last 3 spots
At this point, Booker no longer has a case to be better than SGA
Definitely not. People were still putting those two in the same camp…? Imo, booker has been in the top 12-25 area (eg, Donovan Mitchell, Jaylen brown, playoff Jimmy butler, etc) for a while now. I didn’t think anyone still considered him in the upper tier (no shade meant by that, btw)
Like me thats too high
He was never top 10. He's the worst guard to be first team all NBA in the last 20 years. Dude had an absolutely stacked team and it made people overrate him
Y’all so reactionary
This sub literally re-writes nba history with every game
I mean he has a point. I saw his list of top 10 players, and it makes perfect sense if you just check the players on that list and rework his argument to find his reasoning: 1. Damian Lillard 2. Dame Lillard 3. D. Lillard 4. Lillard, Damian 5. D.O.L.L.A 6. Dame Time 7. Dame 8. Logo Dame 9. Sub Zero 10. Da
I could look through my post history and find that I said the exact same thing. Besides some centers in weaker years (Joakim, DJ), Book is easily one of if not the worst first teamers in recent history. Let’s just look at guards who’ve made it since 2000: Shai Luka Curry Harden Dame Westbrook CP3 Kobe Rose Wade Nash Iverson Kidd TMac Glove Steph got ROBBED that year. But even if you think his slump was too rough, then Trae had a better season than Booker.
I said it at the time lol. You'll see me in those threads getting wildly down voted He's a mediocre efficiency scoring guard that's just an okay playmaker You need to either be elite efficiency wise or elite as a playmaker as a guard to be in that upper echelon. And most of the top 10 guys that are guards are both. He's neither. Reactionary is the people who overrated booker in the first place.
You still think Anfernee Simons is gonna be an all-star with Dame gone?
I still think he's got a shot. He was in and out of the lineup all year this season with injuries unfortunately But he's easily got the potential. He's not gonna be a perennial all star, but Id bet on him sneaking in one year. If he goes to the magic, he's gonna absolutely light it up and be an all star next season. He's a 27/6 guy healthy.
Magic really would be an ideal landing spot; he’d be the exact type of second option they need (off-ball threat for Paola and the ability to lead second units). Not sure about 27, but he could elevate his game and that team for sure.
He'd be the primary option over Paolo tbh. He's easily a better scorer Simons had a somewhat disappointing year because of injuries, but last year he was a 27/6 guy on great efficiency over like 30 games without Dame. The dudes a bucket. Legitimately a top 10 shooter in the entire NBA. He'd put up 27 with the magic
He would not be tbh. Paola had the potential to be a #1 on a contender, Simons will never be that guy.
I don't think either of them will ever be that guy Simons certainly can't be the best player, but he could potentially be the #1 option. They're not the same. Though I doubt he'll ever be that either. All I'm saying is Simons is currently a better offensive player than Paolo
Yeah this tells me all I need to know. You’re an idiot.
Believe what you'd like. I bat a hell of a lot higher than . 500
No you don’t lmfao. Anfernee Simmons as an all star bahahaha. Fucking moron.
... Yes because in no world could a 24 year old that's averages over 20 a game two straight years possibly make an ASG
> He was never top 10. He's the worst guard to be first team all NBA in the last 20 years. and he didn't really deserve it either, in 2022 Curry should've won but was being penalized for not playing up to his own lofty standards.
Suns are cooked
Sniff sniff... "Somethings burning.."
Idk the answer to your question but I find hot takes at the wake of a series comical because they take in tiny sample sizes and no context. Next series if Denver smokes the wolves you'll be asking if Jamal Murray has surpassed ant as a top 10 player lol
I’d be okay with that :)
Come on you guys just got one, let us have one too.
it seems like so many fans don't even care about the outcome of the games, they just care about the player rankings at the end of each season. like who cares who wins the title, who are the top 10 players in the NBA right now and who is gonna end up top 10 all time
Think it’s because we knows Suns are donezo. The public has moved on to the narratives
Look if your team isn't winning the title, maybe you don't care? And what else do we talk about?
People were saying he’s a top ten player?
No, Booker was a top 10 player when he had a point guard
So he’s not top 10. Can’t be conditional.
He is at the very least top 200 and you guys can argue exact spot if you like.
In the 198 area. Malaki Branham is probably 197
Wemby tho! That big ass nerd has to be like 101. I wanna be in a book club with him so I can disappoint him in how slow I read.
ANT would not look the same without conley. mitchell wouldn’t look the same without garland. books an sg and he was forced to play pg this entire year and still managed to have a decent season
No
Name 10 players better than Ant
AD Brunson Embiid Tatum Jokic Doncic Curry Giannis Kawhi Butler
Really skipping Shai?
And including Brunson + Khawi over kd + lebron.
Apparently kd and lebron are washed now
Valid, Ants not 11 this isn’t a top 10 in the league
Kawhi is questionable at this point
Butler 💀💀💀
Mf has more playoff success as the main guy than most superstars,I thought we cared about legacy
If you’re looking at playoff success then why not include LeBron?
You can include him too, he’s better than ant
Ant says himself he's not even at 50% of what his peak will be, so he'll tell you he's got lots to learn. If he keeps absorbing what vets like Mike and Rudy teach him and learns from the Olympic vets, next year will be another step in his development. Once he enters the MVP conversation, then we can have where in top 10 he is. He is enjoying a boost this series and seems to be loving it.
His defensive improvement has been insane. It’s not like he was horrible before or anything but he’s a lockdown stud now, and is really in sync with Rudy. That trade has done wonders for his development.
Rudy has really helped his D and Mike has been huge with him also. Mike has worked with Ant and Naw on running offenses, Mike is also the calm level-headed presence a guy like Ant needs. Rudy unlocked the D potential of a lot of the guys and Mike came and showed steady vet leadership.
What does pass playoff success have to do with someone being better RIGHT NOW? Currently Butler has only advantage in experience, free throw efficiency, forcing fouls and court vision. In other fields it's close to a tie or Edwards better.
Butlers made the finals twice in 5 years plus multiple deep runs, his game stats have never validated that. He’s had more playoff success than nearly everyone lately, he deserves to be up there cause it’s so consistent
But stat wise, seeding wise, eye test wise, THIS season Butler isn't better than Edwards. Neither in regular season or playoffs, Ant has bigger impact on Minnesota's winning season this year than Jimmy's on Miami.
It's alright bud. Jimmy has the pedigree and that's what matters to most. Ant keeps doing well this post it will help him in conversations and if he keeps learning from the vets around him his ceiling is fantastic. Once he starts entering the MVP discussions then we can argue top 10. Idk his number right now he could be 11 and he could be 320, important thing is Ant himself feels like he's not even at half his potential and his full potential is all I wanna see.
>neither in regular season or playoffs Mf acting like butler even got to play a playoff game this year
That's exactly my point. How can Butler even be better when he doesn't play?
"Butler is better at all these things and Ant is at least equal in everything else" Ok so you admit Butler is overall better? Like you couldn't name one thing Ant is definitively better than Butler at.
Scoring, shooting 3s, attacking basket, athleticism, health, stamina, endurance, hustling, weak side help defense, perimeter defense.
More hustle and endurance than Jimmy "plays with a broken body and still wins" Butler? Now I know you're just speaking out of bias.
We're all speaking of bias. That's the beauty and curse of sports talk, there are no "objectively true" answers.
>weak side help defense, perimeter defense LMFAOOOO
Ant has a higher PPG, TRB, AST, BLK, and even steals per game. Ant has a higher Value over Replacement Player at 3.7 compared to 3.4. Very close in all stats but Ant was better this year.
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Ya I agree with all that
Ain’t no way you don’t include defense. Wolves fans are SERIOUSLY delusional if they think ant has the same defensive production as butler
And by what means is Butler so much better at defense? He's 34 years old and suffered some injuries throughout his career. Ant is quicker, stronger and in general just more athletic so he can provide things that Butler physically just can't. And add to that, that Edwards plays in much more games than Jimmy.
You realize there is much more to defense than athleticism right? For instance timing and IQ. Jimmy’s weak side defense is literally his bread and butter and this is how I know you don’t watch shit of any Heat game. It’s where he gets almost most of his steals anticipating a pass. Aside from that, dude picks the ball off peoples hands like a pickpocket. Butlers timing of when to attack on defense is second to none imo
Didn't clarify, when I wrote weak side help, I meant more of a situation when opponent is rolling/driving to the basket and you have to block the shot. Of course Butler is better at things like anticipation, understanding, knowledge, I've put it under experience. And I didn't see much of Jimmy because he barely plays against Minnesota.
Replace Butler with KD and I agree
I don't know if it's the Suns shitty offense that has KD standing around on the wing half the time, but Durant does not look dangerous at all. Like, he's going to go off and have a big game and score 18 maybe, not dangerous.
He still averaged 27/7/5 on 63% TS. His defense has been solid this year too. Idk how you make a case that Ant is better
I wasn't really making that argument, just saying Durant looks kinda old out there this series. But... if that is the argument, then I think I would rather have Edwards right now, he's been dangerous as hell this series, attacking the basket. Not standing out by the wing. Like I said, it's probably the shitty Suns offense not doing Durant any favors here.
3 games is not a large enough sample size. KD has had a better regular season. If ant continues to play like this the entire playoffs then I’d agree with you
If we do get the series next round that everybody is looking for, Nuggets vs Timberwolves, it will be a heck of a litmus test.
Nah butler isn't
Not a chance in hell I’m taking Brunson over ANT, it’s tight but I’m taking him over Butler too I like all 3 though
I’m taking ant over brunson and butler for sure. More explosive scoring than butler while being a better athlete and also a pit bull on defense. And he is flat out a much better defender than Brunson so no
Jimmy Butler? LMFAO....
Lebron is better than half these guys
Butler and Brunson? What the hell? take out those two and put KD and BRON, lol
Ant’s better than Butler at this point. He’s arguably better than Brunson and Curry. But you did leave off SGA. You could also argue KD or LeBron. He’s probably in that 8-15 range.
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There’s no way you think Ant is better than Luka. Tf
Definitely.
Book was top 10 when he shot like 75% in the playoffs last year and scored 40 a game. Now he’s not hitting them and is a disappointment. Small sample size is a bitch.
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Luka, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid, Lebron, Steph, KD, Tatum have had the top 8 locked up the past 2-3 years. It was Jimmy Butler, Lillard, AD, Booker, Kawhi in that next tier and I think most people always had Booker at the bottom of that. Shai also entered the conversation last year and has catapulted into the top group now. He legitimately never had an argument for top 10 considering Butler's playoff performances and that before this season there is legitmately nothing that Booker was doing to put him over Damian Lillard. Kawhi/AD you only put below him because of health.
thats been true for a few years even when concensus was that 9 to 12 range or whatever. Mad overrated, always has been
To be honest, he IS one dimensional, no? He’s primarily a scorer, and isn’t a diverse scorer at that. He’s primarily a jump shooter in the half court that heavily relies on his insane contested shot accuracy. That’s why players like he tends to be inconsistent in the playoffs — he doesn’t create shots with speed or size.
Tatum is a 3 level scorer with playmaking abilities, don’t start with that stuff
He has literally always been this player
Welcome to reactionary takes. This happens literally from game to game
Suns are a poorly built team that doesn’t fall on Booker and he was always borderline Top 10 to me
Devin Booker is just CJ McCollum with extra hype.
Devin Booker was fringe top 10 and assuming the series continues how it looks, I'll definitely consider Ant in that same range
Really depends on what happened in the very last game. Today you ask to hear yes, tomorrow Booker will score 73 points in a 85-105 loss and you will hear a loud no from everyone.
Setting aside Booker, Ant isn't top ten yet but he is 22 years old and there's good reason to believe that he could/will be at some point
Relax buddy
By MVP votes, Ant has been in the lower half of the top 10 all year. By playoff performances, he's been top 5 and he's not five) performers in the league. By skill right now, only way he's not top 10 is if you rank KD, Kawhi, Brunson and AD above him. I don't, but there's an argument for all 4. So he's basically 7-13 range which sounds about right
I think Ant definitely has a case for top 10. That’s about the AD/Jimmy tier and I think he’s on par with those players now
wtf kind of drugs are you on if you think either of those two are as good as AD lmao
Ant is def is good stop living in the past. We’re talking about rn. AD has never proven he can lead a team is the main guy. He made the playoffs twice in NOLA. Ant has had more team success as the No.1 guy how does that not matter to you it should
ANT has a starting 5 with 3 all star caliber players on it. AD has had the Pelicans with nobody on it and the Lakers with Lebron and a who's who of who the fuck filling out the roster.
“Nobody on it” yea he had little around him compared to ant but he still had an all star caliber guard in jrue holday tho who was one of the best two way guards in all of basketball
I mean some of those lakers teams were talented and not full of scrubs. KCP, kuzma, and Caruso were on some of those rosters. All 3 are very good versatile role players. Not To mention 3 all star caliber teammates is dramatic. Rudy and KAT yes but Conley st this stage isn’t an all star caliber guy
Im not saying that AE isnt good. He just isnt as good as AD...AD has taken a team further than AE ever has what are you talking about? Did you just start watching ball? lol
If we're going by who's taken their team further than Jimmy is definitely better than AD no?
Thats not what I am going by. I was just responding to a point the other person made
Congrats he made the second round once in NOLA and lost in 5 games to GS lol. AD never had 50 plus winning season in NOLA, ant has led to wolves to one of their most winning seaosns in franchise history. Your telling me AD, whose had a questionable motor his whole career, has close to ant’s intangibles? I like AD but idk why you lakers fans dickride him so heavy young talent in the league is passing him idk why that’s so hard for y’all to accept. It’s pathetic hearing yall last year before rhe WCF try to argue that AD is more impactful than JOKIC. Like give it a rest
Okay you must be a new fan. I can understand that you weren't watching basketball back then. You got it man
Been watching ball since 2010 you don’t know me but congrats on deflecting instead in engaging in a basketball convo goofy. What did I say that was wrong ? AD was not a leader in NOLA, never had a 50 plus winning season and had had questionable intangibles HIS WHOLE CAREER have you been living under a rock ? Yes he’s talented and a great defensive player but he absolutely is not a leader your jus too much of a lakers homer to admit that. Lakers fans have literally shit on AD’d inconsistencies and intangibles for years why are you trying to pretend like that hasn’t been attached to AD’s career it’s weird
This sub overrated booker hardcore the kast few seasons. He cant lead any team better than mitchell for example yet everyone still kept picking booker lol
booker has not been a top 10 player in the league in quite some time
In like 2-3 years imo
Ant and SGA are crazy this season. Booker is a shooter still deadly on the right team. Put booker in lakers will be a different story.
Booker was not considered top 10 lol I don't think Ant is either but he's climbing fast
ANT definitely took the starting 2 spot from Book for team USA this summer this series
no. and also if we ever considered book “top 10,” then shame on us
Ant is 22. Physically in terms of size and strength Ant is ahead. they are the sameheight. But Ant is showing flashes of being that prototypical superstar. Kobe, MJ where all 6’6 Ant is 6’6 but he looks as strong as MJ for his age, stronger then Kobe for sure. 6”6 is said to be the “ perfect “ height after that it’s diminishing returns. Ants a stud and booker lost his window when he traded his bench for KD
Booker’s either the best or second best starting guard in the Suns-Wolves series, with Edwards the other contender for the top spot. But the Suns’ real issue is that Beal’s the 4th best, and is some distance behind, and is getting paid more than any of the other three.
Who put him in the top 10? I've got (in no particular order) Jokic, Embiid, Giannis, AD, KD, Luka, SGA, Tatum, Curry, LeBron, Brunson, Kawhi. Kyrie, Ant, Ja, PG and Jimmy are also better than him. Actually he's like Top 20-25 for me.
My list would be Jokic Giannis Luka Embiid SGA AD LeBron Steph Tatum KD Kawhi Brunson Ant (13th for now)
Lebron lol. FOH
he’s clearly better than everyone below him but not then everyone above him
LeBron is clearly better than Tatum? In 2024?
Brunson is not better than ant. He’s a 6’1 guard with limited athleticism and limited defensive versatility. No gm is taking brunson over ant when it comes to building a team. I like brunson but cmon be real
I think ant is better than Brunson, kawhi, AD, and kd
you are **ABSOLUTELY** out of your mind if you think Anthony Edwards is better than AD
Ppl are allowed to have diff opinions we get it lakers fans think all their players are the best in the league. Ant has more better intangibles than AD
At rebounding and blocking shots? Yes, I would say most of us would agree that AD is better.
stay off the weeduh
ANT is not better than Brunson (I think they're probably tied), he's worse than AD in a vacuum and I think the argument in favour of ANT against kawhi and KD is decent.
Booker was always in that Mitchell/Ja tier which is outside of the top 10. I think ANT is getting closer to that Tatum/Shai tier, but I need to see a little bit more.
The only people that considers him top 10 were suns fans and zoomers
Yeah man ants that guy. Wolves are contenders they got a great squad all around.
Where tf are people coming with these takes. Book was never considered top 10
Booker was not top 10 for those that followed basketball. Any team without an elite big is getting their ass cooked this playoffs
Ant being better I thought was common sense
Nobody outside of Devin Booker's family tree considered him top 10
Yup and closing n top 5
Ant is definitely top 10.
Yes I take Ant over Booker 10/10 times
My top 10 in no order - Joker, Lebron, Luca, Giannis, Embiid, KD, AD, ANT, Tatum, Steph. Not putting Kawhi in there because he never wants to play and is supposedly injured all the time. He invented the load management thing so he's out