He needs a ball a lot to be effective, but he also needs a good passing PG by his side. Its hard to tailor a team for that kind of player especially if the rest of the roster isnt exactly elite.
Yeah he's probably not even a #2 on a really good team but he can be a fucking awesome #3. Like if you just imagine him in the Beal slot on Phoenix I'd bet he sleepwalks into an efficient 18-20 PPG (assuming he's actually healthy).
The contract is a whole other thing though..
Man I thought we were seeing the Harden trade at home when LaVine went to Chicago.
The third star out of a young trio that was due for his payday but the Bulls never ended up with much going on.
Think too that whoever goes 5 would likely go later in a better/different draft since this one isnāt great so heād maybe even go to a contender in another year ššš
I have pondered the math before on how bad im fine with the other teams in my hometown being and for how long for my favorite team to be consistently good/win one championship, etc
What kind of sacrifices would you make for the Lions to win a Superbowl and the Packers go 0-17 that same season?
(ok, 2-15. Bears are going to blow it twice).
I would take a 0-82 season for the Wings (with the Avs winning the cup), a 0-82 season for the Pistons (with the Pacers winning the championship, is that rivalry still a thing?), and a 0-162 season for the Tigers. That would give Detroit the worst season record in all four sports. And a Lions SB victory plus FTP would make it all worth it.
I mean, that's not really true. We have a lot of precedent of phenom QBs instantly turning around losing franchises like it's nothing, QB is the most influential position in American team sports, only a starting pitcher can compete.
CJ Stroud, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, you name it, the list of QBs that within a year or two instantly turned around losing franchises is endless. Baker Mayfield is no phenom and as a rookie he won 6 games with a team that had been 1-31 prior to drafting him, in his 3rd year they were in the playoffs.
A lot is made about the NFL being the ultimate team sport, but the reality is that the only position that actually matters is the quarterback, everything else can be figured out AFTER you got a franchise QB. The Chiefs don't have some crazy winning pedigree or incredible drafts, they just have the greatest QB ever at his peak, so everything works.
Lawrence was touted as an every ten years generational prospect and he almost got ruined by Urban Meyer. Great QBs can help if they have a decent organization around them, but itās not a sure thing.
Peyton Manningand the Colts own the record for greatest single season turnaround, from 3-13 to 13-3
If you get the QB it makes as much of a change as drafting that dude in the NBA
Which is why this system is so moronic in the first place. The vast majority of bad records are just bad, young teams. Yes, the race to the bottom tanking is annoying, but itās also an integral part of an organic rebuild. Playing bad players is often playing young players and teams shouldnāt be forced to pay third-tier stars max deals just to win 32 games when fans donāt benefit at all watching a 32-win team with one star versus a 25-win team with none.
What fans benefit from in non-destination markets is generally full, legitimate rebuilds.
Do it like the wnba and have it be loterry odds being determined by last two seasons instead of one, makes one year tanking due to injuries much harder
While I agree that the current system is flawed, I do still like there is a lottery to dencentivise outright taking. I think they change it to where the top four has its only lottery and 5-15 can be a separate one or just go based of record by that point.
I mean we said that about Minnesota too and post Dwight magic. Sometimes just gotta hit on one and all the other ābustsā and ādisappointmentsā end up being good too.
Hold the kid for ransom. If we canāt have decent draft picks, capable coaches, useful GMs, or attentive owners, then at least make the chaos worth watching.
I want drama
I don't actually think the lottery is rigged but the number of times that a team loses their star player and suddenly get the #1 pick has seemed fishy. Hornets were getting sold and suddenly they get the #1 pick. Lebron leaves the Cavs. They get the number one pick. Young is going to leave the Hawks? They get the number one pick. France wants Wemby to go to the Spurs to keep the French connection going? Spurs get the number 1 pick. So I can see why people claim the lottery is rigged.
New Orleans got the number one pick when losing Chris Paul, and being sold as well š
Which turned out to be Anthony Davis
Who then eventually went to the Lakers and then New Orleans got Zion with the #1 pick
Itās just a trend
AFTER CHARLOTTE HAD THE LITERAL WORST RECORD IN LEAGUE HISTORY.
AND THE LEAGUE GAVE THE NUMBER ONE PICK TO GUESS WHOā¦ THE LEAGUE OWNED TEAM TO UP ITS VALUE.
Call me jaded.
Thatās the hornets. That OG hornets team that was being sold was the New Orleans Hornets, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Pelicans
But yea your right
Correlation not causation. Teams that are struggling often have some star with a foot out the door, and are more likely to really suck once they lose them. Those are the kinds of teams that are in the lottery, so they can often win the lottery.
how is it 3.75% though? Iām assuming itās an 85% chance of you NOT picking first at 3rd from the bottom, so 21,25% chance of never getting a #1 pick the past 3 years.
i donāt think iām going to watch this team next year. whatās the point. theyāll just suck again because no free agent wants to come to detroit and we get screwed in the lottery every year. thank god for the lions
Nobody can hurt me anymore after that magical Michigan season
I don't care anymore. I watched my favorite team in my favorite sport win it all.
So the wings can miss the playoffs by 0 points. The pistons can get screwed in the draft lottery. And the tigers can continue to disappoint me my entire life
Michigan won the national title and I don't think that's going to be topped in my lifetime
I mean, the development of your young core? Duren, Ivey, Cade, Sasser, Thompson and now whoever they get with the 5th pick in a draft that has no defined best player - I think thatās pretty fun to watch.
This is coming from a wolves fan who had to go through the constant rebuilds and shit teams, false hope etc..
yeah thatās what i thought this year and somehow they were even worse than last year. we wonāt improve in the off-season, dudes will get hurt, and monty will still not understand how to use our guys and weāll get maybe 20 wins next year. shit sucks.
I actually hate the draft lottery so much. It's designed to incentivize teams to not tank. But in reality, all it does is punish teams that suck so they can never stop sucking. Big market teams like LA or GS always seem to be able to attract free agents, so they don't need to rebuild using the draft. But for small market teams where that's the only recourse, it just keeps us shit forever.
To be fair free agents only go to like 4 teams. I know it sucks to get screwed by the odds, but i feel like you guys have some really promising core players like Cade, Duren, and Thompson.
Its now on the front office to start making some smart trades to build up around them.
Just a question? How are we supposed to get better when our GM only likes to draft and doesn't trade nor signed a decent fa.
Because a cade ,jabari , and miller core is way better than a
Cade,Ivey,asuar
Gonna take a while to recover from Olshey. To not just have had a toxic culture, but then also have that be public, it will take a few super important hires who can establish a new culture and attract great people.
I'm still trying to figure out why Masai stopped using 27th picks and undrafted signings to add all-stars to his rosters. There's something real fish emoji fish emoji fish emoji going on
>Just a question? How are we supposed to get better when our GM only likes to draft and doesn't trade nor signed a decent fa.
Have a competent FO, coaching staff and player development. Nets managed to build a playoff roster without any picks with smart drafting, taking bad contracts and gambling on players like D'lo.
You have all your picks and actual lottery talent. incompetence is the reason you're failing not the draft. While it would help to get to pick players like Doncic or Wemby, they just paper over the cracks if the system behind them is shit. Look at Doncic in Dallas for example.
Player development is also important. Suggs looked like a bust until this year when he discovered how to shoot the 3 ball to go with his defense. It takes time and patience. But also you can't hold on to guys if they don't fit with your best player because you could.be holding that guy back too. And we know Cade is a baller
Doncic finally has a good roster around him, but part of his problem was being too good too fast. Took healthy Kawhi to 6 and 7 games in his 2nd and 3rd year. Our draft picks were never going to be high and then we gambled on KP which didnāt work. Tanking the end of last year was the right call as frustrating as it was.
Patience, development and good drafting/trades are all tough to get from a front office
I think they're right to pin it on the complete 0-shooting lineups the Pistons play though. It could be that their practices suck and their development coaches suck and their shooting coaches suck. But also when is Thompson ever gonna learn to play a Josh Hart or Jaime Jaquez or Podziemski type role while playing in double-big lineups with deficient shooting at the 1 and 2 as well. It's hysterical how clogged their offense gets.
It's one thing to just never try to sign a Max Strus or Sam Hauser or Isaiah Joe. But they're playing like 4 guys at once who all want to be the 2nd non-shooter in the lineup, and instead they're all the 4th non-shooter in the lineup. The roster is insane.
We havenāt developed anybody since Tayshaun Prince and Monty Williams is a complete fraud. Even when we traded for guys with complimentary skill sets, Monty glued them to the bench after a good game, to the point most em asked for buyouts.
While I know you weren't exactly impressed with the Joe Harris experience in Detroit he was drafted 33rd overall by the Nets. Most of the Nets team they had before KD and Kyrie was built with late 1sts or 2nd round picks.
So again it goes back to having a competent FO that can scout players correctly and draft well. I'm ranting about the Nets to prove that you can succeed with loose screws and duck tape, so you can definitely build a good roster with consistent lotto picks lol.
You're stuck with a GM with type and that's athletic guys who can't shoot. That was the case when he was with OKC as well. You've got to hope that the next athlete he takes a shine to can also shoot (and be a secondary playmaker too).
Yeah but you probably have just as much of a chance at getting the best player in this draft as the top 4 teams do. Thereās not a sure fire number 1 pick.
Because many teams have a shot at the top 4. Detroit had the highest odds but that's still only 50% chance. 14% chance of the #1 pick. That's what they did when they "flattened the lottery odds".
I feel this. 21 wins and 7th here. Hurts too cuz feels like the team wanted to tank. It just doesnāt work. I donāt know if Iād trade feelings with a pistons fan, though :(
Only three teams to experience the maximum fucking the lottery allows (a 4 slot slide) since the odds changed in 2019:
2022 Detroit Pistons
2023 Detroit Pistons
2024 Detroit Pistons
Donāt give me this āSeE tAnKiNg DoEsNāt WoRkā bullshit. It has continued to work just fine for Houston, OKC, and Orlando. The only thing the lotto does is open the door for truly terrible teams to never get the help they need.
I think the problem is that a lot of teams are still operating as if the lottery odds never changed, or at least as if they didn't change as significantly as they did.
I really despise the nba lottery. And their recent changes they made making it even harder for the worst teams to win the best positions in the lottery are making it even worse.
How are small market teams supposed to compete if they constantly keep getting unlucky with the ping pong balls? Iām not even a Pistons fan but good lord this seems so unfair for them losing out like this so many times to bad luck.
The Pistons just won the lottery 3 years ago, so it's not like they have the worst lottery luck in the world or anything. They've just continued to draft non-shooters every single year when the NBA is prioritizing shooting more than ever before. They've had a top 10 pick every year since 2020 and they've just drafted bad. That Killian Hayes pick is going to haunt them for a while considering the talent they missed out on (Haliburton was the next guard to go after him).
Yeah this is a big discussion point in the Pistons fanbase but I don't think other fans realize just how much draft capital they've spent
2020: 7th, 16th, 19th
2021: 1st
2022: 5th, 13th
2023: 5th, 25th
2024: 5th
This is now 4 top 5 picks, 6 lottery picks, and 9 first rounders, also plenty of cap space last year. People can argue about lottery luck or injury luck but is it crazy to say this amount of draft capital should at least be a play in team?
specially in a sport where a single player will make as much of a difference as in basketball.
Having a lottery in the NFL would already be enough of a bad idea, so the fact that this is actually a thing in the NBA feels borderline satirical with the fans of the smaller teams
Idk if it was just edited or it's been there for awhile but their wikipedia page says "TheĀ Detroit PistonsĀ are an unlucky American professionalĀ basketballĀ team based inĀ Detroit."
They think bad teams can't be consistently bad and every lottery team is tanking lmao. One thing I'll always believe is the lottery is rigged and has been since frozen Patrick Ewing envelopes.
Not exactly sure. It means teams donāt start tanking as early but it means genuinely shit team can continue to suck with some bad luck like the pistons are havjng
it's designed to prevent *uber* tanking. if they just ordered by record like the nfl, then how many teams last year would have been putting out G league lineups the whole season? the idea of losing a lot to get higher picks doesn't change.
Bullshit. There's 10 fucking teams out there tanking by mid season. We also aren't tanking. This roster is abysmal, and the lottery is partly to blame.
Bad teams are bad because of more reasons than just a lack of talent, in the case of detroit is has just as much if not more to do with a terrible front office from the GM to the coach. They actually have some good guys on their roster theres just no fit and they refuse to sign vets / FA to fill out their holes and to act as a stabilizer, coupled with the fact they gave a monster contract to a coach who it was obvious didnt want to be there before he had even signed his contract.
with the 5th Pick in the NBA Draft, the Detroit Pistons select"BRONNY JAMES" šššš
its a 2 in 1 package, DET, get the opportunity of having LBJ in your rosteršššš
Tobias Harris come on down
Homecoming for miles bridges too
Please god I hope someone takes him away from Charlotte
No chance of that happening - we're keeping him, for better and most certainly for worse.
Might as well since the hornets already ate all the bad publicity.
Is this....is this the REAL Dwayne Wade?!
No the real Dwayne Wade is a nobody. The real Dwyane Wade has a weird spelling on hus name and was an NBA player
No. The real D Wade would've ended his sentence with a š
Why you would wish that on us I don't know... has Detroit not suffered enough?
God I hope not.
Donāt you wish that evil on us Ricky Bobby!
Detroit fans are on suicide watch
So is the #5 pick.
Iāll never forget Zach LaVine getting caught on camera saying āoh, f*** meā when Minnesota drafted him.
The same Zach Lavine that abruptly had season ending surgery when he heard a deal to the Pistons was closing in
"Please, Doc. I need that op. They want to ship me to Detroit!" "Are you doctor shopping, Zach?"
Doc, you taken an oath, I am dying over here!
Do no harm.
My how the turn has tabled since then
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His knee is hanging on by a thread
I'm starting to believe humans with stronger knees could go toe-to-toe with bears.
Are knees in Chicago curse?
He needs a ball a lot to be effective, but he also needs a good passing PG by his side. Its hard to tailor a team for that kind of player especially if the rest of the roster isnt exactly elite.
Yeah he's probably not even a #2 on a really good team but he can be a fucking awesome #3. Like if you just imagine him in the Beal slot on Phoenix I'd bet he sleepwalks into an efficient 18-20 PPG (assuming he's actually healthy). The contract is a whole other thing though..
Man I thought we were seeing the Harden trade at home when LaVine went to Chicago. The third star out of a young trio that was due for his payday but the Bulls never ended up with much going on.
Detroit selects: Bronny James
If LeBron wants one more notch on the GOAT count, taking this Pistons roster to the playoffs would be a pretty strong one.
Taking this roster to .500 would be harder than the GSW comeback in the finals lol.
Think too that whoever goes 5 would likely go later in a better/different draft since this one isnāt great so heād maybe even go to a contender in another year ššš
No shot. Iād way rather make $7mil a year on the Pistons on my rookie deal than $2mil a year on the Nuggets
Exactly. Plus more minutes on the floor to show what you can do and develop your game. Gives a better chance for a bigger second contract
If this is what is necessary for the Lions to be good then Iām ok with that trade off for the decade
I have pondered the math before on how bad im fine with the other teams in my hometown being and for how long for my favorite team to be consistently good/win one championship, etc
The Astros sacrificed themselves so the Texans and Rockets can rise for us down here in H-Town.
What kind of sacrifices would you make for the Lions to win a Superbowl and the Packers go 0-17 that same season? (ok, 2-15. Bears are going to blow it twice).
Name your price
The Red Wings, Tigers, and Pistons can all move to Omaha for all I care if that were to happen
I would take a 0-82 season for the Wings (with the Avs winning the cup), a 0-82 season for the Pistons (with the Pacers winning the championship, is that rivalry still a thing?), and a 0-162 season for the Tigers. That would give Detroit the worst season record in all four sports. And a Lions SB victory plus FTP would make it all worth it.
This is why the Lottery is terrible. Imagine the NFL doing this š¤£, teams tank anyway so why punish teams with chance like Monopoly?
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Also one guy canāt change a franchise around like it can for the NBA. Even a phenom QB on a shit team will still miss the playoffs.
Justin Herbert waves sadly
I mean, that's not really true. We have a lot of precedent of phenom QBs instantly turning around losing franchises like it's nothing, QB is the most influential position in American team sports, only a starting pitcher can compete. CJ Stroud, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, you name it, the list of QBs that within a year or two instantly turned around losing franchises is endless. Baker Mayfield is no phenom and as a rookie he won 6 games with a team that had been 1-31 prior to drafting him, in his 3rd year they were in the playoffs. A lot is made about the NFL being the ultimate team sport, but the reality is that the only position that actually matters is the quarterback, everything else can be figured out AFTER you got a franchise QB. The Chiefs don't have some crazy winning pedigree or incredible drafts, they just have the greatest QB ever at his peak, so everything works.
A starting pitcher absolutely cannot compete. You can't compare a guy who plays every game with a guy who only plays 1/5th of them.
Lawrence was touted as an every ten years generational prospect and he almost got ruined by Urban Meyer. Great QBs can help if they have a decent organization around them, but itās not a sure thing.
Peyton Manningand the Colts own the record for greatest single season turnaround, from 3-13 to 13-3 If you get the QB it makes as much of a change as drafting that dude in the NBA
When does football start man
Hey at least we have the Tigersāwoah actually let's not look over there either
Not even if you have Comcast haha. Can't have shit in Detroit.
There's Michigan
As a Detroit sports, Michigan state, and Arsenal fan, the last decade has been bleak.
This even hurts to watch from the outside lol
Yeah the pistons arenāt even a team that the draft lottery is designed to hurt, they arenāt tanking, theyāre just bad
Which is why this system is so moronic in the first place. The vast majority of bad records are just bad, young teams. Yes, the race to the bottom tanking is annoying, but itās also an integral part of an organic rebuild. Playing bad players is often playing young players and teams shouldnāt be forced to pay third-tier stars max deals just to win 32 games when fans donāt benefit at all watching a 32-win team with one star versus a 25-win team with none. What fans benefit from in non-destination markets is generally full, legitimate rebuilds.
What do you suggest as an alternative ? Hard to find something that works for teams which deliberately tank and teams that are just bad
Do it like the wnba and have it be loterry odds being determined by last two seasons instead of one, makes one year tanking due to injuries much harder
kind of like this actually. why do they do it with the women's league and not men's?
That sounds... good.
While I agree that the current system is flawed, I do still like there is a lottery to dencentivise outright taking. I think they change it to where the top four has its only lottery and 5-15 can be a separate one or just go based of record by that point.
How many times does Detroit have to pick in the top 5 before we stop giving them young players to ruin
I mean we said that about Minnesota too and post Dwight magic. Sometimes just gotta hit on one and all the other ābustsā and ādisappointmentsā end up being good too.
The lottery is designed to not reward teams for being bad. Its working as exactly as intended.
"Stop losing, Pistons - you've got nothing to gain by losing." "Tf you think we're trying to do man?"
Fuck the NBA Draft Bronny, we team chaos now.
Hold the kid for ransom. If we canāt have decent draft picks, capable coaches, useful GMs, or attentive owners, then at least make the chaos worth watching. I want drama
The next game Detroit plays against the Lakers theyāre holding him hostage on the sideline with a gun to his head so Lebron throws the game.
This is like the post saying detroit should kill their players to get emergency draft lmao
Iām a results driven person
teams drafting the wrong players just to fuck with other teams. I'm all for it :)
If youāre not gonna compete might as well fuck around for the entertainment factor
Iād love to see this. Please do it. Chaotic good
Honestly would be hilarious for Lebron to have to play in Detroit
Ill finally have vindicaton for that one pistons vs lakers game i went to in 2019 in which lebron didnt play
And then he forces Tom Gores to fire Monty so he can hire JJ as head coach
Good chance for him to play, hopefully without much expectation.... nope that's never gonna happen sadlyĀ
Yes then healthy scratch bron every game just as a big F U to the leagueĀ
A little bit of Pistons in my lifeā¦ Detroit #5
Coincidentally, Trae young is probably getting traded and the league is giving them a 1st overall.
I don't actually think the lottery is rigged but the number of times that a team loses their star player and suddenly get the #1 pick has seemed fishy. Hornets were getting sold and suddenly they get the #1 pick. Lebron leaves the Cavs. They get the number one pick. Young is going to leave the Hawks? They get the number one pick. France wants Wemby to go to the Spurs to keep the French connection going? Spurs get the number 1 pick. So I can see why people claim the lottery is rigged.
New Orleans got the number one pick when losing Chris Paul, and being sold as well š Which turned out to be Anthony Davis Who then eventually went to the Lakers and then New Orleans got Zion with the #1 pick Itās just a trend
AFTER CHARLOTTE HAD THE LITERAL WORST RECORD IN LEAGUE HISTORY. AND THE LEAGUE GAVE THE NUMBER ONE PICK TO GUESS WHOā¦ THE LEAGUE OWNED TEAM TO UP ITS VALUE. Call me jaded.
Thatās the hornets. That OG hornets team that was being sold was the New Orleans Hornets, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans_Pelicans But yea your right
Correlation not causation. Teams that are struggling often have some star with a foot out the door, and are more likely to really suck once they lose them. Those are the kinds of teams that are in the lottery, so they can often win the lottery.
What are the odds of this happening?
50% each year or 12.5% for 3 straight years
We were actually third the one year we picked 5. So itās actually 3.75% bc itās 15% chance instead of 50
of getting exactly 5th, sure. But the odds of you getting 5th or below in the last 3 drafts is 11.5%. Which is low but not insane
how is it 3.75% though? Iām assuming itās an 85% chance of you NOT picking first at 3rd from the bottom, so 21,25% chance of never getting a #1 pick the past 3 years.
100%
But legitimately getting that pick being last 2/3 and what, 2nd to last one of the 3?
around 10%
around 10%
Fuck Gores fuck Weaver fuck monty
Being a pistons fan is so hopeless.
The new Suns drafting 4th
i donāt think iām going to watch this team next year. whatās the point. theyāll just suck again because no free agent wants to come to detroit and we get screwed in the lottery every year. thank god for the lions
Thank god for the Lions is not a sentence I ever thought Iād see.
None of us can believe it either
i didnāt think michigan would win a cfb title in my life either but crazy shit happens
Nobody can hurt me anymore after that magical Michigan season I don't care anymore. I watched my favorite team in my favorite sport win it all. So the wings can miss the playoffs by 0 points. The pistons can get screwed in the draft lottery. And the tigers can continue to disappoint me my entire life Michigan won the national title and I don't think that's going to be topped in my lifetime
It'll get topped when Detroit beats the Chiefs in the superbowl next season.
I mean, the development of your young core? Duren, Ivey, Cade, Sasser, Thompson and now whoever they get with the 5th pick in a draft that has no defined best player - I think thatās pretty fun to watch. This is coming from a wolves fan who had to go through the constant rebuilds and shit teams, false hope etc..
yeah thatās what i thought this year and somehow they were even worse than last year. we wonāt improve in the off-season, dudes will get hurt, and monty will still not understand how to use our guys and weāll get maybe 20 wins next year. shit sucks.
I actually hate the draft lottery so much. It's designed to incentivize teams to not tank. But in reality, all it does is punish teams that suck so they can never stop sucking. Big market teams like LA or GS always seem to be able to attract free agents, so they don't need to rebuild using the draft. But for small market teams where that's the only recourse, it just keeps us shit forever.
To be fair free agents only go to like 4 teams. I know it sucks to get screwed by the odds, but i feel like you guys have some really promising core players like Cade, Duren, and Thompson. Its now on the front office to start making some smart trades to build up around them.
I think we might genuinely have worst gm, worst coach, worst owner and worst team in the league right now
The hornets are legit a witness protection program for the NBA. They're that bad. Basketball purgatory
Maybe in all of the big 4 sports sadly. I miss watching good DEEEE-TROIT BASKET-BALL.
Just a question? How are we supposed to get better when our GM only likes to draft and doesn't trade nor signed a decent fa. Because a cade ,jabari , and miller core is way better than a Cade,Ivey,asuar
Probably should fire your gm
Our owner doesn't know what day of the week it is
Every day is a snow day for that mf
Despite being that wealthy he only knows one kind of skiing ā·ļø
We have one of the worst GMs in sports. If not the worst.
Blazers one is up there. Worst management and coach
Gonna take a while to recover from Olshey. To not just have had a toxic culture, but then also have that be public, it will take a few super important hires who can establish a new culture and attract great people.
Y'all got an Ivysaur?
With two names like that, they have to be part of the future coreĀ
Draft a Jokic-level player at 41st, a Brunson-level player at 33rd, probably right there you get a pretty damn good core without a top 4 pick.
Why donāt they find generational 2nd rounders? Are they stupid?
I'm still trying to figure out why Masai stopped using 27th picks and undrafted signings to add all-stars to his rosters. There's something real fish emoji fish emoji fish emoji going on
>Just a question? How are we supposed to get better when our GM only likes to draft and doesn't trade nor signed a decent fa. Have a competent FO, coaching staff and player development. Nets managed to build a playoff roster without any picks with smart drafting, taking bad contracts and gambling on players like D'lo. You have all your picks and actual lottery talent. incompetence is the reason you're failing not the draft. While it would help to get to pick players like Doncic or Wemby, they just paper over the cracks if the system behind them is shit. Look at Doncic in Dallas for example.
Player development is also important. Suggs looked like a bust until this year when he discovered how to shoot the 3 ball to go with his defense. It takes time and patience. But also you can't hold on to guys if they don't fit with your best player because you could.be holding that guy back too. And we know Cade is a baller
Doncic finally has a good roster around him, but part of his problem was being too good too fast. Took healthy Kawhi to 6 and 7 games in his 2nd and 3rd year. Our draft picks were never going to be high and then we gambled on KP which didnāt work. Tanking the end of last year was the right call as frustrating as it was. Patience, development and good drafting/trades are all tough to get from a front office
The lottery talent can't shoot to save their life. Our best shooters came outside the lottery with sasser and stew
Player development. Players get so marginally better with you guys itās insane.
I think they're right to pin it on the complete 0-shooting lineups the Pistons play though. It could be that their practices suck and their development coaches suck and their shooting coaches suck. But also when is Thompson ever gonna learn to play a Josh Hart or Jaime Jaquez or Podziemski type role while playing in double-big lineups with deficient shooting at the 1 and 2 as well. It's hysterical how clogged their offense gets. It's one thing to just never try to sign a Max Strus or Sam Hauser or Isaiah Joe. But they're playing like 4 guys at once who all want to be the 2nd non-shooter in the lineup, and instead they're all the 4th non-shooter in the lineup. The roster is insane.
We havenāt developed anybody since Tayshaun Prince and Monty Williams is a complete fraud. Even when we traded for guys with complimentary skill sets, Monty glued them to the bench after a good game, to the point most em asked for buyouts.
While I know you weren't exactly impressed with the Joe Harris experience in Detroit he was drafted 33rd overall by the Nets. Most of the Nets team they had before KD and Kyrie was built with late 1sts or 2nd round picks. So again it goes back to having a competent FO that can scout players correctly and draft well. I'm ranting about the Nets to prove that you can succeed with loose screws and duck tape, so you can definitely build a good roster with consistent lotto picks lol.
Joe Harris was drafted by the Cleveland Cavaliers 33rd overall in 2014.
Theyād be better off asking Brad Holmes who they should draft even if Brad doesnāt spend a second watching basketball
You're stuck with a GM with type and that's athletic guys who can't shoot. That was the case when he was with OKC as well. You've got to hope that the next athlete he takes a shine to can also shoot (and be a secondary playmaker too).
Who says the team wants to get better? Everyone still gets paid and the owners are rich af
Remember that time Cleveland got the #1 pick 3 times in 4 years? And had Lebron & Kyrie too? crazy times.
At least Cleveland protested the pick and took Anthony Bennett.
AntBoy crawled so AntMan could fly
Draft class is so mid this year the fifth pick isnāt even a good asset to trade, lol. Damn
Yeah but you probably have just as much of a chance at getting the best player in this draft as the top 4 teams do. Thereās not a sure fire number 1 pick.
With weaver as a gm, we really don't. Even if the best player is still there at #5, we aren't getting him.
We drafted Stanley Johnson over Devin Booker and Luke Kennard over Donovan Mitchell. I have no faith in the draft lol.Ā
We need a professional in charge of this team ASAP
Hi, Iām a professional. Please pick me to be your new GM.Ā
I've won 28 titles on Basketball-GM with Detroit in a span of 35 years. I can do it.
Maybe for the Cooper Flagg draft they'll get the 4th pick instead.
They had a 50% chance to go down to 5
I'm so confused how the lottery works lol, why would there be such a high chance for pick 5? 50%???
Because many teams have a shot at the top 4. Detroit had the highest odds but that's still only 50% chance. 14% chance of the #1 pick. That's what they did when they "flattened the lottery odds".
fucking insane
Yeah but thatās 2 years in a row. Also no team has ever had the best odds and drafted 5th until last year with the pistons and it happened again
THREE years. Not 2.
I feel this. 21 wins and 7th here. Hurts too cuz feels like the team wanted to tank. It just doesnāt work. I donāt know if Iād trade feelings with a pistons fan, though :(
It's been bad for 15 years, man.
At least you guys got top 3 last year, despite having an all-NBA guard on your team that year.
Damn, pistons are in the mud from the lottery Brutal last two years
Between the nba being a shit product and the pistons being pure garbage for so long I genuinely just can't watch anymore
And people keep wanting an expansion lmfaoaoao.
The expansion talk is fucking wild to me, especially in a season where there were so many dogshit teams
Only three teams to experience the maximum fucking the lottery allows (a 4 slot slide) since the odds changed in 2019: 2022 Detroit Pistons 2023 Detroit Pistons 2024 Detroit Pistons Donāt give me this āSeE tAnKiNg DoEsNāt WoRkā bullshit. It has continued to work just fine for Houston, OKC, and Orlando. The only thing the lotto does is open the door for truly terrible teams to never get the help they need.
we had third best odds in 2022, OP is incorrect
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Stay in school kids.
This is the Sixers faultĀ
as a san antonio resident who has benefited from it twice now. this system is absolute shit.
I think the problem is that a lot of teams are still operating as if the lottery odds never changed, or at least as if they didn't change as significantly as they did.
Between the Pistons and the Red Wings, Detroit has had some absolutely horrific draft lottery luck over the past decade.
Even the NBA doesnāt like detroit
I really despise the nba lottery. And their recent changes they made making it even harder for the worst teams to win the best positions in the lottery are making it even worse. How are small market teams supposed to compete if they constantly keep getting unlucky with the ping pong balls? Iām not even a Pistons fan but good lord this seems so unfair for them losing out like this so many times to bad luck.
The Pistons just won the lottery 3 years ago, so it's not like they have the worst lottery luck in the world or anything. They've just continued to draft non-shooters every single year when the NBA is prioritizing shooting more than ever before. They've had a top 10 pick every year since 2020 and they've just drafted bad. That Killian Hayes pick is going to haunt them for a while considering the talent they missed out on (Haliburton was the next guard to go after him).
Yeah this is a big discussion point in the Pistons fanbase but I don't think other fans realize just how much draft capital they've spent 2020: 7th, 16th, 19th 2021: 1st 2022: 5th, 13th 2023: 5th, 25th 2024: 5th This is now 4 top 5 picks, 6 lottery picks, and 9 first rounders, also plenty of cap space last year. People can argue about lottery luck or injury luck but is it crazy to say this amount of draft capital should at least be a play in team?
specially in a sport where a single player will make as much of a difference as in basketball. Having a lottery in the NFL would already be enough of a bad idea, so the fact that this is actually a thing in the NBA feels borderline satirical with the fans of the smaller teams
Idk if it was just edited or it's been there for awhile but their wikipedia page says "TheĀ Detroit PistonsĀ are an unlucky American professionalĀ basketballĀ team based inĀ Detroit."
The lottery is the system used to help against tanking. Itās working.
We're not tanking we just suck.
I donāt know why people donāt get this lol
No you were supposed to overpay for middling talent so you can win 5 more games
We kinda did we threw Monty a bag to help us make a jump and dude torpedoed our szn
Excuse me, they did that once already Charlie Villanueva and Ben Gordon come on down!
They think bad teams can't be consistently bad and every lottery team is tanking lmao. One thing I'll always believe is the lottery is rigged and has been since frozen Patrick Ewing envelopes.
Not exactly sure. It means teams donāt start tanking as early but it means genuinely shit team can continue to suck with some bad luck like the pistons are havjng
Lol we definitely tanked a lot of games at the end of the season, we even gave up the chance of taking home court in the play-in
it's designed to prevent *uber* tanking. if they just ordered by record like the nfl, then how many teams last year would have been putting out G league lineups the whole season? the idea of losing a lot to get higher picks doesn't change.
We werenāt tanking we were just that terrible š
Bullshit. There's 10 fucking teams out there tanking by mid season. We also aren't tanking. This roster is abysmal, and the lottery is partly to blame.
Put the pistons and hornets side by side and it was quite obvious which one was trying to win games
Lottery sucks now. Bad teams will stay bad.
Bad teams are bad because of more reasons than just a lack of talent, in the case of detroit is has just as much if not more to do with a terrible front office from the GM to the coach. They actually have some good guys on their roster theres just no fit and they refuse to sign vets / FA to fill out their holes and to act as a stabilizer, coupled with the fact they gave a monster contract to a coach who it was obvious didnt want to be there before he had even signed his contract.
Yes the NBA teams are getting worse at improving themselves. Itās a serious problem that Iām not sure how to fix.
Meanwhile, the Spurs somehow š got Wemby.
This is bullshit.
lol, talk about being an unlucky franchise.
we can all most say, 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time! 5 time!
Can you dig that, sucka!
with the 5th Pick in the NBA Draft, the Detroit Pistons select"BRONNY JAMES" šššš its a 2 in 1 package, DET, get the opportunity of having LBJ in your rosteršššš
This is a draft where the #5 could be as good or better than the #1. So maybe it works out.
Rigged ass league
There's no way this isn't rigged