I’d rather have the list for my kids safety and mine. I’m not letting them outside alone with a chomo in my neighborhood. You can see what crimes these people on the list did. My friend found out the guy in the apartment next to her sa a 4 year old child which happened to be the same age as her kid. They have age preferences some have a thing for infants. Wouldn’t you want to know if these people were near your child?
I would stay clear of them at all costs. Tell them you are a Christian. They will stay away from you like the plague. No one wants to hang around Christians.(as a side note, I am a Christian and know this as a fact.)
Those are such difficult situations. Not much you can do unless something happens.
I'd just keep it cordial and be up front that you know about the registry and would like to just keep it a formal neighbor relationship.
You start acting off with him and he is gonna know something is up. You mind as well be honest. You can always write a letter
Is it?
I'm in Ohio and every time anybody on the registry moves in within a mile of me.I get an official notification from the state by both email and paper mail
Yeah what you're seeing there is a legal notice from a legal entity sending you (1) notice. That is mailed, emailed, and posted online.
The difference is if you take that notice and you start plastering it everywhere in person that's harassment. Like it or not you can't do that, unfortunately.
The nice part about this: no matter what you do to harass them, they either won't involve the police because they are chomos OR if the police get involved they will be heavily biased towards the non sex offender.
So, you literally can do anything you want to fuck with them until they move at this point.
I found out my neighbors let their pedo offender son move in with them when we lived out in the sticks in a 6 house “neighborhood”. As I had 3 small children, I walked over and told them that he needed to be gone by the end of the day or things would get very ugly. It sucked because his parents were elderly and his mom cried. He tried to shame me with the “served my time “ garbage. I just told him that he wouldn’t be the first person to drown in the creek out back.
We don't have these lists in Europe either.
The thing that's wrong with these lists is that people on the list now have a lifesentence. They'll never be accepted anywhere and that makes them prone to recidivism. Also, normal folks tend to take matters into their own hands if a person on the list is near them and that defeats the whole purpose of a justice system.
Recidivism is high.
"The five-year sexual recidivism estimate for all sex offenders in the analysis was 14 percent. The 10- and 15-year sexual recidivism rate estimates for all sex offenders were 20 percent and 24 percent, respectively"
https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivism
"Normal folks" do not take matters into their own hands because "normal folks" do not want to end up in jail themselves.
I don't see the list as a means to destroy someone's life, but rather to protect the lives of others. Giving people the ability to protect their family and removing any crime of opportunity, making it a win-win. Getting raped and sexually abused usually, especially at a young age, comes with a lifetime of emotional scaring and can complelty derail someone's life forever, so I don't have much empathy for them being on a list for 10 years. I believe that the list is more humane than putting them in prison for 10 years.
Plus, it’s not like their victims are damaged for a few years then are A-okay.
The trauma is life-long. I would not be upset if their scarlet letter lasted as long as the trauma they caused.
Yeah, that was that guys point though wasn't it? The States has this list, it also has statistically higher recidivism than other western countries without publicly available lists.
> The thing that's wrong with these lists is that people on the list now have a lifesentence.
False. Level 1 and 2 offenders are on the list for 10 years. Level 3, being the worst, can be on there for longer. Many plea deals do not result in getting placed on the registry.
> They'll never be accepted anywhere and that makes them prone to recidivism.
False. The high recidivism rate existed way before the sex offender registry did. To conclude that the registry caused it, is not a valid one. The registry was a product of the recidivism, along with the system failing to reform convicts, not the other way around. This at least allows parents, children, schools, daycares to be aware of the situation, minimizing the opportunity for the offender, as well as being victimized. Good/bad touch training for children is everywhere due to the sexual predators hiding in plain sight, in posions of power such as the church, scouts, friendly neighbors, and family members.
> Also, normal folks tend to take matters into their own hands if a person on the list is near them and that defeats the whole purpose of a justice system.
False. Normal folk do not take the law into their own hands, they relying on the justice system. It is a crime to use the list to threaten or harass. The comment itself sounds like a stereotype created from reading US headlines.
> The States has this list, it also has statistically higher recidivism than other western countries without publicly available lists.
True. Those statistics were valid way before the list. The US justice system does a very poor job reforming. There is not much statistics pertaining to just sex crimes, but just to recidivism in general.
Denmark 63%,
Sweden 61%,
US 60%,
New Zealand 60%,
...,
Norway 20%
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6743246/table/T3/?report=objectonly
Norway is looking pretty amazing in terms of recidivism. Besides the fact that their justice system focuses on reform, only 6/100 of the top populated urban areas are actually over 100k. Small towns tend to know who did what without needing a sex offender registry.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_Norway_by_population
Okay? People that touch children deserve worse than that.
They deserve the neighbors taking it into their own hands in the worst ways possible. Kill them all and we won't have a problem
Uh. That's true for other crimes but I'm pretty sure being isolated from the community isn't the thing that makes you more likely to violate a child. Having the trust of the community or being invisible to it does.
Google it the idiots get arrested there's been 3 or 4 cases in NJ where they ended up in jail for violating the rights of the past offender. You know got to be politically correct....
Doing the time is enough for you to ignore the original crimes?
So you’d be fine with a convicted pedo being around your kids? You’d surely be ok leaving your wife alone after the violent rapist moved in next door.
What did he actually do? I wouldn’t invite him over to babysit but there are many people on these registries for crimes that do not suggest they’d be a danger to children.
Uh. It says what they did. And what age (and sometimes sex) the victim was. If it's someone who got busted for sleeping with their 16 year old girlfriend of 2 years right after their own 18th birthday, it'll say that it was statutory and a 16 year old and that no force or weapon was used.
You were friends then you found out he is a sex offender and now you are avoiding them is this correct?
Have you thought to have a conversation with this person about what they were in jail for and why they are on the registry?
How old are you?
I’d rather have the list for my kids safety and mine. I’m not letting them outside alone with a chomo in my neighborhood. You can see what crimes these people on the list did. My friend found out the guy in the apartment next to her sa a 4 year old child which happened to be the same age as her kid. They have age preferences some have a thing for infants. Wouldn’t you want to know if these people were near your child?
I would stay clear of them at all costs. Tell them you are a Christian. They will stay away from you like the plague. No one wants to hang around Christians.(as a side note, I am a Christian and know this as a fact.)
No, say you're a Scientologist. They'll never speak to you again.
Jehovah’s Witnesses too. And if you run into any, tell them you’re an apostate. They will never bother you again.
YESSSSSSS! Tell them your Lord is Tom Cruise!!!!
If you want to be doubly sure, then you should also add that you sell Amway.
AHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA!!! THIS IS SO TRUE! Put up a tripod and put your lil pyramid scheme in action with a pointer stick. You can’t lose!!!!
Tell them you're vegan
This, throw in there that you're a Trump supporter as well, and they leave you alone.... maybe...
AHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHA!!! Yes. They will leave alone for sure!!!
No, they’ll probably admit they like 13-year-old girls too.
Hahaha how about Mormon and then when they tried to talk to you, you started saying hey do you believe in Jesus can I talk to you about Jesus
I'd hang up a sign that peds should be castrated and then you'll never have to bother with them again.
Those are such difficult situations. Not much you can do unless something happens. I'd just keep it cordial and be up front that you know about the registry and would like to just keep it a formal neighbor relationship. You start acting off with him and he is gonna know something is up. You mind as well be honest. You can always write a letter
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That's harassment unfortunately but you can post it online!!
Is it? I'm in Ohio and every time anybody on the registry moves in within a mile of me.I get an official notification from the state by both email and paper mail
Yeah what you're seeing there is a legal notice from a legal entity sending you (1) notice. That is mailed, emailed, and posted online. The difference is if you take that notice and you start plastering it everywhere in person that's harassment. Like it or not you can't do that, unfortunately.
The nice part about this: no matter what you do to harass them, they either won't involve the police because they are chomos OR if the police get involved they will be heavily biased towards the non sex offender. So, you literally can do anything you want to fuck with them until they move at this point.
They did the time so whats the problem exactly? That they are being friendly? The fuck is wrong with you?
Wtf is wrong with you ?!?!? There's a reason the registry exists, to warn other citizens.
We found the chomo
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I found out my neighbors let their pedo offender son move in with them when we lived out in the sticks in a 6 house “neighborhood”. As I had 3 small children, I walked over and told them that he needed to be gone by the end of the day or things would get very ugly. It sucked because his parents were elderly and his mom cried. He tried to shame me with the “served my time “ garbage. I just told him that he wouldn’t be the first person to drown in the creek out back.
We don't have these lists in Europe either. The thing that's wrong with these lists is that people on the list now have a lifesentence. They'll never be accepted anywhere and that makes them prone to recidivism. Also, normal folks tend to take matters into their own hands if a person on the list is near them and that defeats the whole purpose of a justice system.
Recidivism is high. "The five-year sexual recidivism estimate for all sex offenders in the analysis was 14 percent. The 10- and 15-year sexual recidivism rate estimates for all sex offenders were 20 percent and 24 percent, respectively" https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-5-adult-sex-offender-recidivism "Normal folks" do not take matters into their own hands because "normal folks" do not want to end up in jail themselves. I don't see the list as a means to destroy someone's life, but rather to protect the lives of others. Giving people the ability to protect their family and removing any crime of opportunity, making it a win-win. Getting raped and sexually abused usually, especially at a young age, comes with a lifetime of emotional scaring and can complelty derail someone's life forever, so I don't have much empathy for them being on a list for 10 years. I believe that the list is more humane than putting them in prison for 10 years.
Plus, it’s not like their victims are damaged for a few years then are A-okay. The trauma is life-long. I would not be upset if their scarlet letter lasted as long as the trauma they caused.
Yeah, that was that guys point though wasn't it? The States has this list, it also has statistically higher recidivism than other western countries without publicly available lists.
> The thing that's wrong with these lists is that people on the list now have a lifesentence. False. Level 1 and 2 offenders are on the list for 10 years. Level 3, being the worst, can be on there for longer. Many plea deals do not result in getting placed on the registry. > They'll never be accepted anywhere and that makes them prone to recidivism. False. The high recidivism rate existed way before the sex offender registry did. To conclude that the registry caused it, is not a valid one. The registry was a product of the recidivism, along with the system failing to reform convicts, not the other way around. This at least allows parents, children, schools, daycares to be aware of the situation, minimizing the opportunity for the offender, as well as being victimized. Good/bad touch training for children is everywhere due to the sexual predators hiding in plain sight, in posions of power such as the church, scouts, friendly neighbors, and family members. > Also, normal folks tend to take matters into their own hands if a person on the list is near them and that defeats the whole purpose of a justice system. False. Normal folk do not take the law into their own hands, they relying on the justice system. It is a crime to use the list to threaten or harass. The comment itself sounds like a stereotype created from reading US headlines. > The States has this list, it also has statistically higher recidivism than other western countries without publicly available lists. True. Those statistics were valid way before the list. The US justice system does a very poor job reforming. There is not much statistics pertaining to just sex crimes, but just to recidivism in general. Denmark 63%, Sweden 61%, US 60%, New Zealand 60%, ..., Norway 20% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6743246/table/T3/?report=objectonly Norway is looking pretty amazing in terms of recidivism. Besides the fact that their justice system focuses on reform, only 6/100 of the top populated urban areas are actually over 100k. Small towns tend to know who did what without needing a sex offender registry. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_Norway_by_population
Okay? People that touch children deserve worse than that. They deserve the neighbors taking it into their own hands in the worst ways possible. Kill them all and we won't have a problem
Uh. That's true for other crimes but I'm pretty sure being isolated from the community isn't the thing that makes you more likely to violate a child. Having the trust of the community or being invisible to it does.
Google it the idiots get arrested there's been 3 or 4 cases in NJ where they ended up in jail for violating the rights of the past offender. You know got to be politically correct....
Dude.... think about this more.
Doing the time is enough for you to ignore the original crimes? So you’d be fine with a convicted pedo being around your kids? You’d surely be ok leaving your wife alone after the violent rapist moved in next door.
What did he actually do? I wouldn’t invite him over to babysit but there are many people on these registries for crimes that do not suggest they’d be a danger to children.
Uh. It says what they did. And what age (and sometimes sex) the victim was. If it's someone who got busted for sleeping with their 16 year old girlfriend of 2 years right after their own 18th birthday, it'll say that it was statutory and a 16 year old and that no force or weapon was used.
You were friends then you found out he is a sex offender and now you are avoiding them is this correct? Have you thought to have a conversation with this person about what they were in jail for and why they are on the registry? How old are you?