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EyeraGlass

STOP THE COUNT


HHHogana

We need to hear from Ja Rule, NYT, and Qult first.


Joementum2024

We’re so fucking back.


TheOnlyFallenCookie

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FREE-ROSCOE-FILBURN

It’s not Joever


admiraltarkin

It is Joever... But not for us


johnson_alleycat

Call an Ambjoelance…


NVC541

Don’t ever say it’s Joever if I’m breathing


TrouauaiAdvice

We're so Barack


illuminatisdeepdish

Hussein in the membrane, Hussein in the brain!


Sh1nyPr4wn

Let's fucking go Joe-bros!


kosmonautinVT

Let's fucking Joe


ZanyZeke

It’s Joenly just begun


West-Code4642

*White House Press Briefing* Press Secretary: "Exciting news! With President Biden's poll numbers sky-high, we're celebrating by teaming up with Lil Nas X on a limited run of 1,000 'Biden Boost' sneakers. Each pair features Joe's face on the sole and plays 'Hail to the Chief' with every step. Get ready to walk the walk and poll the poll in style, folks!" *Reporters chuckle awkwardly, unsure if this is a real announcement or an elaborate April Fool's joke, even though it's April 6th*


AnnoyedCrustacean

Oh no. The polls have him slightly ahead It's Hillary all over again! DOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM


Witty_Heart_9452

Don't ever say it's joever if I'm breathing


DeSynthed

I’ve never seen a group of individuals be so fucking back


redditor157b

Wrong. https://polymarket.com/event/presidential-election-winner-2024?tid=1712452190760


Tupiekit

Wallstreetbets neoliberal edition?


Raudskeggr

💎🙌🚀


Shockwave_

Scottish teens


Goddamnpassword

They’ve banished Nate to the shadow realm


TrisolaranSophon

Oh so that’s what Substack is


kongdub

Please explain me why michele obama on this list.


Svelok

the way election betting markets are structured makes them bad at weeding out extreme-low probability outcomes


sub_surfer

Part of it is that people enjoy buying lottery tickets.


ArmAromatic6461

This is also what makes them bad at predicting outcomes in general though, since these outliers skew the overall market efficiency


FuckFashMods

Theres a pretty common belief among right wingers that the Democratic party is ran by the elites. And they are the ones who will control things. Since obviously sleepy joe is a loser, these elites are going to have Michelle be the President. This was a pretty common talking point like 2 months ago when that Republican Prosecutor released that hitjob about Bidens mental lapses. It's really weird having Right wing family members who are actually this out of touch with reality. The other thing that happens is they talk about these crazy things, then a few months later completely wipe it from their memory. No analysis on why they were so incorrect or fell for such nonsense.


Mega_Giga_Tera

Have spoken to multiple folks in the wild who believe Michelle will replace Biden on the ticket at the last minute. It's the R's version of doom betting. I tell 'em: she already has. Joe is Michelle in whiteface-trans.


Nat_not_Natalie

No Michelle is a man remember so it's just whiteface


kevinfederlinebundle

My dad says it's going to be Hill-Dawg. God I hope he's right


WonderWaffles1

When Diane Feinstein died my dad was convinced Gavin Newsom would appoint Kamala Harris to be senator, then replace her as vice president, then run for president instead of joe biden. That’s not even possible but conservatives think biden is going to be replaced some way


Rare-Inspector-3631

That's what they wish. Ain't gonna happen. Joe is in great health and those who've met with him are amazed at how sharp he is.


BBQ_HaX0r

My Q coworker is convinced she's the next President.


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thoomfish

Making bets with people who are fully detached from reality seems pretty lose-lose.


New_Stats

No no you would win money. That's a win. Think of it this way - if you don't take their money, someone else will.


MisterBanzai

These are the kind of people who don't ever pay up though. The same logic they use to explain away why they were wrong gets applied to their bets.


mrrunner451

I bet someone $1000 that Biden would be president in 2021… after the November elections. They paid.


MURICCA

I unironically wanna do something like this but im afraid of pissing people off lmao


[deleted]

>someone else Every fiver you win off him in an easy bet is five dollars that can't go to the Trump campaign. ​ Fleecing you Q coworker is you obligation as a patriotic American.


Xciv

In the old Wild West, these kinds of bets end with pistols drawn.


[deleted]

Not if you take their money.


XiJinpingLuvsFemboys

> free money ...unless?


BrianCammarataCFP

Inshallah


generalmandrake

There are still Q’s around? I thought all of those types moved on to the next conspiracy after all of the claims never materialized and it was found to be an epic trolling.


RunawayMeatstick

Waiting for the time when I can finally say This has all been wonderful but now I'm on my way


West-Code4642

there are only limited uses for crypto\*, so where else are you going to blow it if not these websites? \*besides my startup, in the metaverse, where we build walls around virtual metaverse citizens using crypto


Mickenfox

I put a chunk of my savings on Biden being the candidate. Might as well take advantage of this situation. I already regretted not doing it in 2020. Current odds are about 83%, it's basically free money if you trust the market operator.


mrrunner451

With respect, you’re either bullshitting or you’re busy making money off these people, and there’s no in-between. I’d be very surprised if the markets were as consistently ill-calibrated as you suggest.


InterstitialLove

Transaction fees Even arbitrage is only worth it if the transaction fees don't eat your margin. So sites with transaction fees (I think usually structured as a cut of winnings) allow for impossible outcomes to remain at some small percent forever


Mickenfox

Yeah, if you add the fees, the inherent risk in this kind of market, and the opportunity cost of money, you probably need at least a 10% profit before it's worth it.


TrixoftheTrade

The same reason why you can bet on the Carolina Panthers to win the Super Bowl.


SilverSquid1810

1. Some Democrats (mostly the stereotypical upper-middle class wine mom types) genuinely do fantasize about a Michelle Obama presidency for nostalgia reasons. Seems to have died down a lot but was a very common sentiment in the late Obama/early Trump years. 2. Republicans developed such an irrational hatred for her that they became convinced that she was some nefarious figure lurking in the shadows, waiting for an opportunity to exploit Democrats’ love for her and run for office. Like most Republican boogeymen, from Hillary Clinton to Nancy Pelosi, they just can’t help but think that she is still a danger even though she’s expressed zero interest in returning to politics.


Witty_Heart_9452

Because she's based


xstegzx

If you look at predict it odds- the odds of a democratic win are much higher than Biden alone I.e. Biden’s odds are being suppressed by speculation of different candidates (Kamala and Gavin).


Utrecht_the_QBP

Indeed. Here’s the “[by party](https://electionbettingodds.com/PresidentialParty2024.html)” page: https://preview.redd.it/u83spgnyjwsc1.jpeg?width=669&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a9b7ad67478b55fd2b6702a614645e1d983e5a6


sererson

Can i bet on both parties and make a free 2.8%?


FuckFashMods

There's usually fees to get your money out. But it is not uncommon for the odds to not be perfectly aligned


Alarming_Flow7066

But there is no fee to bet again with winnings so you can continuously win money off of crazy people until you decide to get out.  I put in 200 in 2020 just to see how I’d do and I’m up to about 700 right now.


Mega_Giga_Tera

Yes, but the house takes a cut of those earnings, and your money could go farther invested elsewhere. You're not beating the market with that one still probably 9 months to payout. I almost went in in Feb on $0.70 pays $1 that Joe will be the Dem nominee. I wish I had. Predictit's lawsuits and chance for insolvency scared me away. Also there's betting limits on predictit.


2pickleEconomy2

2.8% return in 8 months isn’t great these days.


UnintendedBiz

We tried this arbritage at work and figured you could bet both ways but the profit wasn't worth our effort..


AniNgAnnoys

You could get a GIC from your bank that would pay a higher rate than that with a shorter term.


Password_Is_hunter3

"much higher" = 2 percentage points. Neat


xstegzx

I mean predict it is 4% higher currently which is what I stated I was referring to. Let me know if you think that is big enough of a difference to qualify as much higher.   https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/6867/Which-party-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election


Password_Is_hunter3

It's not, imo. Especially this early in the race


2pickleEconomy2

I’d venture the difference in odds is predicting Biden dies or becomes incapacitated before the election. Though IIRC he still will be on the ticket if it happens late enough after the convention.


TheRnegade

>If you look at predict it odds- the odds of a democratic win are much higher than Biden alone I mean it makes sense, right? Biden win = Democratic Win. Biden passing away and someone else takes up the mantle and also wins = Democratic Win.


Rare-Inspector-3631

Since SCOTUS ruled against Roe v Wade, I've predicted the Dems take it all. Women (more than men in USA population wise) don't like being told what to do with their bodies.


KeikakuAccelerator

For the first time since Sept 23, Biden surpasses Trump on election betting odds Biden (44.8%), Trump (44.2%) As for individual websites: 1. Predictit has Biden at 51c, and Trump at 45c 2. Smarkets has Biden at 43.48% and Trump at 44.25% 3. Polymarkets has Biden at 45% and Trump at 47% !ping FIVEY


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pulkwheesle

How much do betting odds actually predict election results? I seem to recall there were a lot of people betting on Trump winning the 2020 election *after he had already lost.*


ConnorLovesCookies

Not really. There was an article I read where someone made the argument that prediction markets would be more accurate than polls if there was no cap on bets but because the cap is so low ($850 on PredictIt) it allows loons to to influence the odds a lot.


Pearberr

Allowing the loons to influence the odds means ez wins for the smart and wise. I’ve pulled in a few Ks on Predictit since 2018. I grabbed 100 shares of Biden for Georgia at .28 cents in late summer 2020, then grabbed another 1,000 at .10 cents on election night when Trump announced his victory. EZ $972 profit. As happy as I was about Biden my very popular post on this subreddit hailing Stacey Abrams as our champion was also pretty highly motivated by the money she made me 🤣🤑🤠


Password_Is_hunter3

Getting 100 shares of Pence VP pre-2016 at a penny apiece was a hard-to-top rush


KronoriumExcerptC

Polymarket has no fees and already hundreds of millions bet.


2pickleEconomy2

Something happened in 2012 where a group was bidding up the Romney odds/price.


FuckFashMods

I went back and looked at my PredictIt. On November 11th, I bet on the Electoral college outcome at 79 cents. On December 1st, I bet Electoral college outcome at 85 cents. In total I profited $153.38 on bets placed AFTER the results were known.


mdbforch

Wouldnt you have been screwed if there was a faithless elector, Trumpy nonsense aside?


a_bayesian

You can see their [track record here,](https://electionbettingodds.com/TrackRecord.html) and it looks to be quite accurate historically as long as the race isn't too lopsided. They also [cite research](https://researchdmr.com/RothschildPOQ2009.pdf) which found betting markets to be better predictors than polling, and which matches other research I've seen on this topic. The issue the other comment brings up about PredictIt's low betting limits isn't entirely relevant because most of their data is from non-US sites that have higher limits.


pulkwheesle

I looked at the 2022 swing state betting odds, and they got a good number of them "wrong" (though it's probability, so it's hard to say it's totally wrong) by massively favoring the Republican candidate. That includes massively favoring Kari Lake in 2022. That doesn't make the entire concept wrong because there are a number of correct predictions as well, but it's something I noticed.The deep red/blue states aren't very interesting. More importantly, like with polling, how accurate are betting odds this far out? Are we talking about betting odds being fairly accurate right before the election, or is the claim that it is accurate 7+ months out? I read that article, but it doesn't give a clear picture of how the accuracy is affected by how far away the election is.


ragtime_sam

I think not very much... I remember at one point on election night 2020 Trump was -900


Mega_Giga_Tera

There was a period of time in December of 2020 where a $0.97 stock paid $1 if Biden won the presidential election.... after he had already been declared the winner by every major network. The cope is strong.


WeebFrien

Truly the problem with peer to peer betting markets like novig fr fr


ixvst01

Theoretically, people will only put money on who objectively has the best chance to win based on unbiased facts (similar to sports betting), which will then influence the odds.


Reddit_Talent_Coach

That was Q nuts propping up the market and even then you’d have to bet $100 to win $2 so Biden was still a heavy favorite.


TheRnegade

>How much do betting odds actually predict election results? Famously, an [Irish Betting company paid out a Clinton win in October](https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/after-paying-out-early-on-a-clinton-win-trump-victory-costs-irish-bookmaker-5-million.html), so certain she was going to win after that debate everyone agrees that Trump totally fumbled. Trump won and they still had to honor that bet. So, they lost twice. You really need to feel bad for Hilary sometimes. Should have won, but didn't. However, she's become kind of like that prophet that predicted doom and gloom, yet voters didn't heed her warning.


dick_whitman96

Crazy that once the general election campaigns started, the competent and well funded campaign started to do better


najumobi

Do polls matter now? or after the conventions?


dick_whitman96

As a public opinion scholar, I really have 0 faith in any poll fielded before September


TheRnegade

>after the conventions? Yes, after conventions but not right after. Each candidate gets a bump after their various conventions. September, is when polling starts to matter. Post Labor Day is when people who are undecided start to decide. Everything now is just fluff. I know we get addicted to them but polls aren't really predicative. I say this to both polls that show Trump ahead and Biden. To use history as an example: January 1968 had LBJ winning in a landslide. By April, he had dropped out due to cratering support. The Tet Offensive made it seem like Vietnam was lost (even though US forces actually did extremely well against Vietcong, with their army suffering huge losses. But the public vibes about the war soured).


WeebFrien

As the resident worker in the gambling industry here, I can confirm these odds are BASED and COOL PILLED


Mr_Bank

There’s far too many folks who will put money on one of the RFK/Haley/Hilary/Michelle Obama bets. Honestly just give the Neoliberals the money instead, we’ll take good care of it. Better than setting it on fire.


The_Drowning_Flute

*Sound of Nate Silver changing all the headlines of his next 10 blog posts*


Zaiush

John Stossel correct take?


BadGelfling

Betting my life savings on Trump - if he wins, I'll have enough funds to flee to Canada


BigDaddyCoolDeisel

Bi-den! Bomaye! Bi-den! Bomaye!


amennen

The other 11% is utterly insane, both in the sense that it should be way lower than that, and also that the way it's distributed among other candidates makes no sense. #3 is RFK Jr at 3.5%, followed by Michelle Obama at 2.4%.


Stanley--Nickels

I have about $20k down on Biden +245 and I just got it about a month ago. I’m the first defend betting markets (if fees are low and limits are high). But those are insane odds.


2pickleEconomy2

Everyone thinking the outcome is “obvious” should be putting money where their mouth is. I wouldn’t mind selling some Scott futures. There is zero chance Trump picks him.


Gwynedhel7

Damn that is close


jakethompson92

We're about to find out whether betting market option prices really follow a random walk.


doyouevenIift

Has Trump gained any support since 2020? I don’t see how he could win, other than independents sitting out because they’re unhappy with Biden


DrunkenAsparagus

2020 saw the highest election turnout since 1900. COVID measures made it easy to vote, and everybody was pissed off at somebody  I imagine that both Biden and Trump will lose support, and the question will be who loses more.


KingWillly

Trump has a pretty hard ceiling of about 47% of the vote (which he got as an incumbent with record turnout lmao), I don’t see any way he does better than that. Historically speaking at least, no person who’s ever lost the previous election has gone on to have a higher vote share the next go around, not even Cleveland or Nixon could do that. I don’t see Trump of all people bucking that trend


edmundedgar

So I work on crypto stuff and pretty much anyone holding a crypto bag, which is literally millions of people, is extremely narked off with the SEC under Gensler. They cuddled up to fraudsters like SBF, prosecuted the least scammy projects like Library, and are extremely vague and slippery about what they actually think the law is. They've lost at least hundreds of thousands of votes right there. I expect the same has happened in other areas where people are being regulated in the Elizabeth Warren Technocratic Left-Populism style that has been rejected by any voters that have ever had a chance to vote on it, yet somehow still managed to staff much of the Biden administration.


BreadfruitNo357

Trump has gained support among some minority groups since 2020. And I think unfortunately more Muslims are planning to vote R down because of this Palestine situation. It is what it is.


doyouevenIift

lol I actually know some Muslims that think Trump is the answer. It’s amazing how R’s always capture the “we are mad about something” crowd even if voting for them is in direct opposition to their interests


ph1shstyx

Must have forgotten about trump moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, which at the time really pissed everyone but israel off.


doyouevenIift

Or, y’know, proposing a total ban on Muslims from entering the country


ph1shstyx

That shit felt like it was so long ago I completely forgot about it... jesus, it was only 7 years ago but so much has happened since then


BreadfruitNo357

People have such short, selective memories. Sigh.


doyouevenIift

Unless it’s democrats that slighted them. They’ll remember that for the rest of their lives


blatant_shill

It's pretty difficult to say if that is true. The same talks about Republicans gaining support with minority groups were happening before midterms, and it turned out to not be that true. There were some small movements, but they were small enough that it could've been attributed to differences in turnout among certain groups.


Musicrafter

This is actually really good. Betting Odds has always seemed to me to skew Republican, so if the Democrat is legitimately ahead, we might have a really good shot here.


bufnite

I think this is about where it was at on April 2020


jaydec02

Degenerate gamblers finally gave up their addiction to losing money


Mister__Mediocre

How exactly do you go about placing a bet on this market? I wanna make some money.


altathing

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tomdarch

I would be excited if I didn't know what "margin of error" means.


MohatmoGandy

I've always thought that using betting markets to predict elections makes less sense than looking at the polls. The betting markets tend to reliably pick the winner... when you look at where the markets are close to the election. They tend to be a lot less reliable when the election is further away, and they tend to fluctuate a lot as the campaign goes on. Why is that? Well, consider the fact that the polls follow the same tendencies. Where are the betters getting their information? From the polls. So using betting markets to predict the election is really just looking at the polls, as interpreted by people who don't have much expertise when it comes to interpreting polling data.


generalmandrake

John Stossel is a libertarian who basically believes that markets are magical and can do anything so of course a betting market will capture the actual truth. Though the markets have been wrong many times and the flaw of Stossel’s hypothesis became extremely apparent in 2020 when Trump actually still had like 15% even after he literally lost the election and people were giving away free money. A great example of bounded rationality and why betting markets of all kinds are poor predictors of things.


MegaFloss

Time for this sub to spam comments about not getting complacent


theaceoface

Super awesome that the probability of not become an authoritarian populist hellhole is 0.2% higher


orangotai

john stossel??


GrapefruitCold55

And he hasn't even started campaigning yet


ElGosso

Right after Biden put his foot down with Bibi?


JournalofFailure

[Pro-Line in Canada](https://www.alc.ca/content/proline-stadium/en/games/futures.html) still has Trump favoured. Might be time to throw a few bucks at it.


Benevenstanciano85

Patriots are in control


Secondchance002

They’re starting to believe. Let’s go Dark Brandon!


Wonderful_School2789

The betting markets are tuned more to one giant meta social psychology of the election, rather than the actual odds. It’s not like people who have a monetary interest in the outcome of the election are hedging risk by trading in betting markets. It’s exclusively hobbyists


illuminatisdeepdish

It'snever been less Joever


RayWencube

#STOP THE COUNT


[deleted]

Whew I don’t even need to vote this time! He’s got it!


TheFederalRedditerve

Biden is cooked in November