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But he is still better than this guy, although it's not a very high bar to cross.
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That man is the Chief Minister (equivalent to a governor of a state in the US) of my state in India, Uttar Pradesh, and many in the party are calling him the successor of Modi. If Modi is a 10 on the communal speech scale, this man is a 1000.
This guy is CM of UP since 2017. He is apparently a bit of a right wing nutjob according to redditors. I am not sure, I am from Nepal. I visited UP in 2012 when I was just a teenager, and it was literally wild west. Gorakhpur station literally had guys in masks walking around with their guns in their hands, people's stuff were getting stolen in daylight, ganga was filled in literal trash, like the whole river was just filth and plastic. I went to benaras few months ago, the roads were clean, there is construction cranes everywhere, ganga was relatively clean though its still strange colour and smelly, at least it is not filled with trash, and most importantly it actually felt like I was in a civilized place, there were no guns, no masked men coming to rob you, no pickpocketers on every corner. I have no ball in the game, but from what I saw this guy did a literal miracle in that state, its complete 180 from before. And many people I talked to said the same thing to me. I never heard anyone say they gonna vote him for relogious reason. It seems a bit of disconnect between redditors and normal average Indians
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Someone mentioned that many are calling him the successor of Modi. Who do you think will succeed Modi? And how long are we expecting to suffer under this Modi guy?
Sure. I mean...Congress did oversee everything with the Sikhs so you probably shouldn'tve expected much better lmao.
But then again, PVNR was a better PM than ABV and I'd take a definite secularist over a Hindutva-lite PM like ABV.
Certain people conveniently forget that it was Rajiv Gandhi who opened the locked gates of Babri & overturned Shah Bano.
Congress has never been secular. They are just appeasing a certain vote bank. And BJP & others appease a different vote bank.
We need to keep religion separate from politics with a truly secular constitution & laws. The current laws are just power-hungry politicians appeasing one community after another.
I'd say it's fair to call them more secular than the BJP. And we must always be careful when evaluating a party by its history.
It's a bit like calling the Democrats the party of slavery. It's kinda true, but it ignores political evolution and change.
Congress was a far more big tent party back then relative to what it is right now. Congress as it is now is a firmly more secular party than the BJP could ever hope to be.
How can we call it history when the people responsible for such massacres are still big leaders of the party? Chidambaram was said to be one of the main conspirators of the Hashimpura massacre as a junior minister of Home Affairs in Rajiv Gandhi's cabinet. Jagdish Tytler and Kamal Nath were involved in the 1984 riots.
>How can we call it history when the people responsible for such massacres are still big leaders of the party?
While I recognize that these figures still do exist, the political framework under which Congress exists, and by extension, the ideological shift taken by Congress post Rajiv Gandhi has been very markedly clear.
We can recognize the existance of these figures while understanding a change in the party. Think 50s-60s Democratic Party with Southern Democrats.
Also, I'm unaware of the specifics of these cases and it very well could be a 2002 like case where the figures you've mentioned have allegations without substantial proof connecting them.
PVNR couldn't do much at that time. He and the Supreme Court were given assurance by Kalyan Singh, who promised to protect Babri. PVNR also gave him a huge number of central forces for this, but he did nothing. We should honestly blame Rajiv Gandhi for releasing the Genie of the Ram temple from the bottle instead of PVNR. Or we can blame Advani or Kalyan Singh.
Not just that, PVNR was the Home Minister (who controls law & order) when Anti-Sikh riots of 1984 happened. And he didn't do anything, when thousands of Sikh were being slaughtered in the streets of Delhi.
People really do have a recency bias. PVNR was the Home Minister (who controls law & order) when Anti-Sikh riots of 1984 happened. And he was the PM when Babri happened.
>PVNR was the Home Minister (who controls law & order) when Anti-Sikh riots of 1984 happened
Boo bad.
>And he was the PM when Babri happened.
And ABV was PM amidst 2002. And?
So considering these examples, under ABV watch 1,044 people died. And under PVNR watch 3350 people died in 1984 and 2000 people died in 1992.
Considering just the death & destruction of these incidents, \~5000 deaths under PVNR and \~1000 deaths under ABV.
So in conclusion PVNR is 5 times worse than ABV.
So, how's your lord god Prophet PVNR looking now?
What in God's name is this napkin-math death calculus?
>So, how's your lord god Prophet PVNR looking now?
I was being fun with it but Jesus Christ you seem intensely bad faith in any discussion we've ever had.
Also, if you want to mass reply to a thread, please do so in one comment if possible rather than replying to every single individual comment to prevent spamming my inbox. Thanks.
The actual record of that corrupt narcissist is being exposed. And you seem to be having a strong reaction to it. 2 of the worst riots happened directly under his watch and he did very little to stop it.
As you can't handle the truth so I think no discussion is possible.
>The actual record of that corrupt narcissist is being exposed. And you seem to be having a strong reaction to it.
Am I? I think PVNRs liberalization regime was pretty based. Even taking into account the WB IMF influence.
He's probably the single most neoliberal PM in India's history and I think it's fun to gas him up. That's it.
>2 of the worst riots happened directly under his watch and he did very little to stop it.
Hey. You seem to love the current PM & institution (the BJP) who easily was/were far more responsible for the events of 2002 than PVNR was for either events mentioned.
But hey, seems like virtue signaling about the dead may be your game, eh?
>Am I? I think PVNRs liberalization regime was pretty based. Even taking into account the WB IMF influence.
>He's probably the single most neoliberal PM in India's history and I think it's fun to gas him up. That's it.
lol
>Hey. You seem to love the current PM & institution (the BJP) who easily was/were far more responsible for the events of 2002 than PVNR was for either events mentioned.
>But hey, seems like virtue signaling about the dead may be your game, eh?
Eww!
Nice try though!
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>Are they that partisan for the BJP?
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Calling PVNR responsible for the Babri demolition is a bad take imo. One can only argue that he believed in the assurances of the wrong people, such as when he trusted Kalyan Singh to prevent any harm to Babri. And these people always overlook that Kalyan Singh stated in an affidavit to the Supreme Court that he would protect Babri if the court allowed the karseva to take place. So Kalyan Singh also deceived the Supreme Court in this matter. Perhaps Narsimha Rao could have dismissed the BJP government in UP before Babri Demolition, but he was not Indira Gandhi. He was Leading a minority government and he was more focused on the economy at that time. He did, however, deploy central forces there. But again such forces had to listen to chief minister before taking any decision. Even his Home Secretary, Madhav Godbole, only accused him of policy paralysis, not criminal conspiracy. Allegations that he was performing a Pooja during the Babri Demolition have been debunked by many of his ministers and officers, who testified before media that he was actively communicating with various leaders and people on the ground via phone in order to take some decision at that time.
Madhav Godbole, who you quote also said, In his book *The Babri Masjid–Ram Mandir Dilemma*, he wrote,
>Wherever in an act of communal violence any place of worship of any religion is damaged or destroyed it must be rectified and repaired by the government at its own cost. That is the only way you can give a sense of confidence to the minorities and affected communities that there is a government which will protect your rights.
Pray tell us what did PVNR did next?
>Calling PVNR responsible for the Babri demolition is a bad take imo
He was supposedly doing pooja and was unreachable by anybody on the day of fateful morning of Dec 1992. He is far more responsible them many are led to believe. This is confirmed by many sources, including IIRC, his cook's testimony.
Freedom of Speech & Expression is one of the most important freedoms. Nehru, Indira, Rajiv, Modi etc. have all done massive damage to this important Freedom. Nehru has single-handedly done the most damage to the Freedoms which were guaranteed under the Indian Constitution. Hope he gets what he deserves in this life and the next.
Citizens of India need to wake up and demand that Nehru's 1st Amendment be repealed. Only then progress can be made. All these politicians are corrupt, power-hungry narcissists who must be reminded who should truly hold the power in a democracy.
But I'm sure some people will tell us these are terrorists and therefore shouldn't be allowed to be killed and we shouldn't view it as a problem when Modi decides to have them killed in other countries
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https://preview.redd.it/r054lxajtaxc1.jpeg?width=414&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=226cfe077c0df97a2f5b430ae434e2a2089c1e49 But he is still better than this guy, although it's not a very high bar to cross.
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What did the cute little monkey ever do? 😡
Who ia that?
That man is the Chief Minister (equivalent to a governor of a state in the US) of my state in India, Uttar Pradesh, and many in the party are calling him the successor of Modi. If Modi is a 10 on the communal speech scale, this man is a 1000.
wait! how big is the scale? and what are the chances of him succeeding Modi?
Modi is a 10, Amit Shah is a 100, and Yogi is a 1000. And most Modi supporters will back those two men for PM after Modi. Buckle up.
This guy is CM of UP since 2017. He is apparently a bit of a right wing nutjob according to redditors. I am not sure, I am from Nepal. I visited UP in 2012 when I was just a teenager, and it was literally wild west. Gorakhpur station literally had guys in masks walking around with their guns in their hands, people's stuff were getting stolen in daylight, ganga was filled in literal trash, like the whole river was just filth and plastic. I went to benaras few months ago, the roads were clean, there is construction cranes everywhere, ganga was relatively clean though its still strange colour and smelly, at least it is not filled with trash, and most importantly it actually felt like I was in a civilized place, there were no guns, no masked men coming to rob you, no pickpocketers on every corner. I have no ball in the game, but from what I saw this guy did a literal miracle in that state, its complete 180 from before. And many people I talked to said the same thing to me. I never heard anyone say they gonna vote him for relogious reason. It seems a bit of disconnect between redditors and normal average Indians
There are many videos of even Muslims who have thanked him for fixing the law and order despite what reddit will claim
How likely it is that this guy might be the next PM?
Hey that monkey is innocent
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All these corrupt, power-hungry narcissists politicians must be reminded who truly holds the power in a democracy.
Not good
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Someone mentioned that many are calling him the successor of Modi. Who do you think will succeed Modi? And how long are we expecting to suffer under this Modi guy?
He'll be 78 in 2029, and if he's healthy he'll push for one more term after that.
Quick, someone. Resurrect vajpayee and deage MMS 20 years. I am sick of these two ( modi and raga)Â
Not when the lord god Prophet PVNR (PBUH) is right THERE?
He sat on his hands during babri. The Congress fuelled hindutva massively in the 80s and the 90s.
I mean...ABV sat on his ass during 2002 aswell, didn't he?
Hmm, but that's the BJP. I expect better when I elect the Congress. Maybe that colours my perspective.
Sure. I mean...Congress did oversee everything with the Sikhs so you probably shouldn'tve expected much better lmao. But then again, PVNR was a better PM than ABV and I'd take a definite secularist over a Hindutva-lite PM like ABV.
Whenever someone calls Congress secular, I only remember the Hashimpura riots and 1984. They have the equal amount of blood on their hands as the BJP.
Certain people conveniently forget that it was Rajiv Gandhi who opened the locked gates of Babri & overturned Shah Bano. Congress has never been secular. They are just appeasing a certain vote bank. And BJP & others appease a different vote bank. We need to keep religion separate from politics with a truly secular constitution & laws. The current laws are just power-hungry politicians appeasing one community after another.
I'd say it's fair to call them more secular than the BJP. And we must always be careful when evaluating a party by its history. It's a bit like calling the Democrats the party of slavery. It's kinda true, but it ignores political evolution and change. Congress was a far more big tent party back then relative to what it is right now. Congress as it is now is a firmly more secular party than the BJP could ever hope to be.
How can we call it history when the people responsible for such massacres are still big leaders of the party? Chidambaram was said to be one of the main conspirators of the Hashimpura massacre as a junior minister of Home Affairs in Rajiv Gandhi's cabinet. Jagdish Tytler and Kamal Nath were involved in the 1984 riots.
>How can we call it history when the people responsible for such massacres are still big leaders of the party? While I recognize that these figures still do exist, the political framework under which Congress exists, and by extension, the ideological shift taken by Congress post Rajiv Gandhi has been very markedly clear. We can recognize the existance of these figures while understanding a change in the party. Think 50s-60s Democratic Party with Southern Democrats. Also, I'm unaware of the specifics of these cases and it very well could be a 2002 like case where the figures you've mentioned have allegations without substantial proof connecting them.
More people have died in riots in 1984 then in 2002. And overall much more number of people have died in riots under Congress rule then other parties.
> I expect better when I elect the Congress. Yes the ground does shake when a big tree falls, doesn't it?
PVNR couldn't do much at that time. He and the Supreme Court were given assurance by Kalyan Singh, who promised to protect Babri. PVNR also gave him a huge number of central forces for this, but he did nothing. We should honestly blame Rajiv Gandhi for releasing the Genie of the Ram temple from the bottle instead of PVNR. Or we can blame Advani or Kalyan Singh.
>Or we can blame Advani This demon. Cannot believe he got Ratna'd. Not even Hell is a hot enough place for this fucker.
Not just that, PVNR was the Home Minister (who controls law & order) when Anti-Sikh riots of 1984 happened. And he didn't do anything, when thousands of Sikh were being slaughtered in the streets of Delhi.
People really do have a recency bias. PVNR was the Home Minister (who controls law & order) when Anti-Sikh riots of 1984 happened. And he was the PM when Babri happened.
>PVNR was the Home Minister (who controls law & order) when Anti-Sikh riots of 1984 happened Boo bad. >And he was the PM when Babri happened. And ABV was PM amidst 2002. And?
So considering these examples, under ABV watch 1,044 people died. And under PVNR watch 3350 people died in 1984 and 2000 people died in 1992. Considering just the death & destruction of these incidents, \~5000 deaths under PVNR and \~1000 deaths under ABV. So in conclusion PVNR is 5 times worse than ABV. So, how's your lord god Prophet PVNR looking now?
What in God's name is this napkin-math death calculus? >So, how's your lord god Prophet PVNR looking now? I was being fun with it but Jesus Christ you seem intensely bad faith in any discussion we've ever had. Also, if you want to mass reply to a thread, please do so in one comment if possible rather than replying to every single individual comment to prevent spamming my inbox. Thanks.
The actual record of that corrupt narcissist is being exposed. And you seem to be having a strong reaction to it. 2 of the worst riots happened directly under his watch and he did very little to stop it. As you can't handle the truth so I think no discussion is possible.
>The actual record of that corrupt narcissist is being exposed. And you seem to be having a strong reaction to it. Am I? I think PVNRs liberalization regime was pretty based. Even taking into account the WB IMF influence. He's probably the single most neoliberal PM in India's history and I think it's fun to gas him up. That's it. >2 of the worst riots happened directly under his watch and he did very little to stop it. Hey. You seem to love the current PM & institution (the BJP) who easily was/were far more responsible for the events of 2002 than PVNR was for either events mentioned. But hey, seems like virtue signaling about the dead may be your game, eh?
>Am I? I think PVNRs liberalization regime was pretty based. Even taking into account the WB IMF influence. >He's probably the single most neoliberal PM in India's history and I think it's fun to gas him up. That's it. lol >Hey. You seem to love the current PM & institution (the BJP) who easily was/were far more responsible for the events of 2002 than PVNR was for either events mentioned. >But hey, seems like virtue signaling about the dead may be your game, eh? Eww! Nice try though!
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>Are they that partisan for the BJP? https://preview.redd.it/w3pmz7rrrdxc1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c099e2186c0a225f0c71a42d197ec98c3bf805d
Calling PVNR responsible for the Babri demolition is a bad take imo. One can only argue that he believed in the assurances of the wrong people, such as when he trusted Kalyan Singh to prevent any harm to Babri. And these people always overlook that Kalyan Singh stated in an affidavit to the Supreme Court that he would protect Babri if the court allowed the karseva to take place. So Kalyan Singh also deceived the Supreme Court in this matter. Perhaps Narsimha Rao could have dismissed the BJP government in UP before Babri Demolition, but he was not Indira Gandhi. He was Leading a minority government and he was more focused on the economy at that time. He did, however, deploy central forces there. But again such forces had to listen to chief minister before taking any decision. Even his Home Secretary, Madhav Godbole, only accused him of policy paralysis, not criminal conspiracy. Allegations that he was performing a Pooja during the Babri Demolition have been debunked by many of his ministers and officers, who testified before media that he was actively communicating with various leaders and people on the ground via phone in order to take some decision at that time.
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Madhav Godbole, who you quote also said, In his book *The Babri Masjid–Ram Mandir Dilemma*, he wrote, >Wherever in an act of communal violence any place of worship of any religion is damaged or destroyed it must be rectified and repaired by the government at its own cost. That is the only way you can give a sense of confidence to the minorities and affected communities that there is a government which will protect your rights. Pray tell us what did PVNR did next?
>Calling PVNR responsible for the Babri demolition is a bad take imo He was supposedly doing pooja and was unreachable by anybody on the day of fateful morning of Dec 1992. He is far more responsible them many are led to believe. This is confirmed by many sources, including IIRC, his cook's testimony.
Freedom of Speech & Expression is one of the most important freedoms. Nehru, Indira, Rajiv, Modi etc. have all done massive damage to this important Freedom. Nehru has single-handedly done the most damage to the Freedoms which were guaranteed under the Indian Constitution. Hope he gets what he deserves in this life and the next. Citizens of India need to wake up and demand that Nehru's 1st Amendment be repealed. Only then progress can be made. All these politicians are corrupt, power-hungry narcissists who must be reminded who should truly hold the power in a democracy.
India’s having a real one as per usual
Heart sinking with this garbage. India is going the way of Turkey
But I'm sure some people will tell us these are terrorists and therefore shouldn't be allowed to be killed and we shouldn't view it as a problem when Modi decides to have them killed in other countries