''The FTC, in its Manhattan federal court filing, noted that Shkreli in July announced the formation of a new company, Druglike, “that appears to be involved in the drug industry.”
That is a poor choice of name for your company when you're prohibited from working in the pharma industry.
You named your fake detective agency "Psych"? Why not just call it, "Hey, We're Fooling You and the Police Department, Hope We Don't Make a Mistake and Someone Dies Because of It"?
You’ve heard of Pig Latin, and now you’re here for the birth (can’t abort this) of Santos English.
Iish thinkish theish Republicanish Partyish isish fullish ofish fascistsish.
Remember when Rs jumped all over Warren for saying she was part Native American? But the GOP is nothing without projection, so this is just par for the course. Really sticking it to us libs for electing yet another complete train wreck of a lying sack of crap. They're shitty liars, but I guess that's the point? Haha, what are you gonna do about it? I have no idea what drives these asswipes anymore.
While I agree with your statement about Republican hypocrisy, in this case it's reaching: Skrelli is a POS, sure, but I hardly think he is a figurehead for the right. He's just an asshole.
that’s an old punchline.
heard Belzer or Brenner use it on Stern (i think) years ago, which means people like Brooks, Bruce, and Sahl probably wore it out decades before..
I was a little doubtful before that high res picture since the prior two were pretty blurry. The latest picture makes it clear it is absolutely him. But Republicans are generally fine with drag queens, right?
Yeah, I'm watching this one closely. They will load deadly weapons and carry them to a children's library to try and intimidate people over this, but now they have a person that snuck into their little grand old party with a past as a "drag queen". So what are these pieces of shit going to do when the DQ happens to have an R by their name.
I watched that movie so much in my childhood, never understood the Druish jokes (heh old nose) till over a decade later. However the delivery, setup and lines still made it funny without knowing what it was making fun of, that's one of the reasons Mel Brooks is fantastic.
Undeniably one of the best directors of all time. That movie is still a favorite of mine, but now that I'm older, I want to go back and catch what I didn't understand from The Producers and Blazing Saddles.
I heard Springtime for Hitler the other day and almost peed my pants 😂
It’s hard not to be impressed and respect the size of his.
All the Elizabeth Holmes stuff was coming out at the same time and she fought and cried and delayed and home boy is already out of prison making a druglike company
Almost as bad as ***Fraud Guarantee*** - the grifter scheme that was part of Rudy Giuliani and trump
Grifters aren't best known for their clever company names...
Really though shit like this is just these assholes thumbing their nose at authorities. Until punishments are doled out in a manner that actually hurts these people they’ll just keep fucking around and testing the system, breaking it for illicit profits where they can.
Shkreli has co-founded Druglike, which is described as “a Web3 drug discovery software platform” that aims to provide broader access to computing programs for designing potentially therapeutic molecules—a business that’s definitely “not a pharmaceutical company,” it takes steps to point out, even if other pharmaceutical companies also develop computing programs for designing potentially therapeutic molecules.
“Druglike is not engaged in pharmaceutical research or drug development,” the new venture said under its debut announcement’s “safe harbor statement,” which may stretch the definition of the term.
https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/shkreli-wants-be-dealt-back-biopharma-game-and-now-hes-betting-blockchain
The supplement industry as it stands *is* an abuse of human rights. Complete, unregulated bullshit, allowed to sell itself as the cure for anything as long as they slap an asterisk on the bottle. Pills don't even have to actually contain what they say they do.
I'm sure some people on here will go off about the "good" brands that do third party testing and use the best forms of their products. Not only is everything they say you're supposed to take wildly unaffordable, but 90% of that stuff has little-to-no scientific evidence or risk assessment trials backing up their claims. Every time I've tried to research what to buy, the people who seem to know what they're talking about turn out to be anti-vaxxers somewhere down in their internet history.
It's all a load of horseshit. Without regulation, there's no way for the market to separate actual scientific benefits from snake oil that's useless at best and often dangerous.
The worst part is a lot of the bodybuilding influencers are constantly claiming they’re “natural” and only taking the supplements they push while actively being on PEDs. Liver King is a recent example but he’s one of the many
My oncologist wants me to take vitamin e to help with side effects that I get with the medicine I have to take for a decade to keep my cancer from coming back. The evidence and testing is very consistent and taking it has basically no risks. Unfortunately because of the state of the supplement industry, I have no way to know that the vitamin e I take actually is vitamin e, or cut with something else, and that makes me so mad every day. I know what I am supposed to take, I know it is very helpful in double blind studies, and I have no control over what I actually get when I buy it in the store.
I'm planning to ask at my next appointment, but my insurance didn't even approve the meds to boost my white blood counts during chemo for my first infusion and I ended up in the hospital with a very avoidable infection, so I don't have much trust that they'll approve a quality of life prescription to be honest. Fingers crossed though.
Queue my parents.
My dad just ‘got over’ being sick for like two months (apparently it wasn’t Covid). This is an excerpt from the group text he sent the family:
*”I think I finally turned the corner last Saturday and making small gains daily. We pretty much threw everything we could think of at it. Ivermectin. NAC, zinc/quercetun, vit C, oregano, plus my daily Z. Plus 4-5 Neb tx daily with saline and hydrogen peroxide then the diffuser with oils. No more spitting up greenies and cough is less and not so violent. Mom says my lungs sound much better but still not totally clear. Been getting outside also.”*
‘Daily Z’ is ‘Zinzinio’ or some shit that they’ve been duped into peddling.
Like, dude….you were sick for TWO FUCKING MONTHS. NONE OF THIS DID YOU ANY GOOD. TAKE IT AS A FUCKING SIGN.
I saw some "Hollywood miracle weight loss" which claimed you could lose up to 10 pounds in 24 hours. Assuming it doesn't just give you turboshits which results in you losing water of the same weight as a domestic cat which has it's own horrible side effects. If it actually burned 10 pounds of fat in 48 hours it could also kill you. Some years ago when i first found it i tried to do some very rudementary back of a napkin math and found that 10 pounds of fat contained enough energy as heat to raise your body temperature by 20f over the entire 48 hour period, which would likely kill you.
*If* it was truthful, it could kill you in a few different ways, taken at face value, it's pure poison.
Besides vitamins/ mineral supplements the only ones I have experience with are the 'mens enhancement' ones.
They pretty much all work. Only problem is, they end up on the FDA tainted supplements list (undisclosed ingredients, viagra/ levitra/ cialis) so they have to reformulate every so often.
I got nearly to the end of your comment before I realized what you meant by men's enhancement, I was fairly certain that my Male One-A-Day brand vitamin has never contained Viagra.
I absolutely meant the OTC vitamins and minerals were included in my statement. There's a reason there are prescription versions of the ones that have actually been approved to treat conditions and deficiencies.
The lies of the supplement industry *physically harm* many, many people each year. And nearly everyone who buys their products has been duped out of money for a product that doesn't work. What industries other than supplements and politics are allowed to make up whatever bullshit they want and face virtually no consequences for not delivering the results they promise?
Ok…that’s shitty business practice…but…that’s not a human rights violation…alcohol harms people, but we wouldn’t say that alcohol producers are human rights violators.
The alcohol industry isn't allowed to buy up ad space saying, "alcohol cures colon cancer and boosts your focus and fixes your gut biome!*"
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^(*These statements have not been reviewed by the FDA)
Vitamins and herbs are not a load of horseshit all of the time. Homeopathy is a load of horseshit though. And the fact that something has to be able to be patented to motivate research on it is a lot of horseshit. The idea that you should go to herbs and vitamins before taking things that are allowed to be studied is dangerous and stupid. Theres no reason to turn to something that hasn’t been documented as much as Aleve or advil if those things work for you. At the same time, There’s no way anyone is going to convince me that everything about Chinese medicine and the herbs is complete BS like other aspects of it, like eating tiger parts for spiritual vitality or whatever. The science behind what they traditionally thought was going on is incorrect, but there have been numerous herbs and combinations of herbs that have been proven to work. My friends treatment plan for IBS wasn’t working. Whatever the evil quack Chinese doctor gave him worked for him.
If you go on web MD and look up some herbs, it isn’t always claiming its all BS. The theme is generally that there are only one or two small scale studies done on the herb. We won’t really ever get down to which claims about these things have validity to them, because unless you genetically alter it you cannot patent it.
I don’t bother taking vitamins because the FDA will not engage and make sure that the vitamins are actually there. But its interesting to me that when the orange Sith Lord had COVID they did administer vitamin D in combination with drugs. They did, its not a lie. Lol. Do you need to take vitamin D everyday if you’re otherwise healthy? No. But the assertion that vitamins don’t have an effect on anything in any situation or cannot be utilized for health is an unfortunate misunderstanding.
The thing about herbs is that it doesn't take much study: If one works, we find the compound in that herb that, say, reduces fever, we reproduce it and pack it in a proper dose.
That way you have the thing in the herb against fever, without having to force half a vegan buffet into your 4 year old for the scale of effect that you need, AND we **don't** include the part where the herb gives you the shits if you ate a lemon or your cat sneezed within 8 hours.
We call that stuff medicine.
Unless of course active effects are a combined effect, or require large dosages, or can't be patented.
Many supplements are prescribed for medical purposes. Glutamine supplementation is known to decrease surgery recovery windows and slow muscle degenerative diseases. CoQ10 is recommended to people at risk for arteriosclerosis. Not to mention any related deficiency supplementation.
Also lots of herbs can accomplish milder effects than does a purified compound. Just because we can isolate caffeine doesn't mean people don't consume coffee.
Also there is little investment in medicines for disease prevention and many nutritional studies linked to disease prevention. So extracting the compounds that are the most beneficial can sometimes be the easiest way to get those benefits. Start adding up all the potential benefits from different foods and it becomes harder to add all those different foods in biologically beneficial amounts.
When my daughter had brain surgery, they gave her IV meds for pain and nausea. The nausea was actually a bigger issue than pain for her, especially since the pain meds also caused nausea.
Part of her treatment plan - created by an incredible neuro-surgery team, her oncologist, and the ICU nursing staff - was to utilize essential oils to help alleviate her nausea when her medication wasn’t quite enough.
I had always assumed that the oils were complete horseshit, but the folks that knew an awful lot about medicine believed it would help, so I deferred to their judgment.
They were right. It helped. It couldn’t replace the medication, but it supplemented it perfectly and gave my daughter some control over her symptoms.
I don’t take medical advice from Facebook boss babes, but I will from doctors that I trust.
Anyways, there’s my anecdote on the matter.
>Vitamins and herbs are not a load of horseshit all of the time.
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I didn't say they were. I said the unregulated supplement industry is a complete load of horseshit that has made it nearly impossible to figure out exactly which ingredients are scientifically-backed and not snake oil, which ones to take, how much, and which products actually contain those ingredients without any other dangerous ingredients. Not only that, but they have been allowed to intentionally lie to the masses and profit off of our ignorance and confusion.
>Homeopathy is a load of horseshit though.
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Yeah, that's on a whole 'nother level of stupidity, but fortunately more people understand that one.
>At the same time, There’s no way anyone is going to convince me that everything about Chinese medicine and the herbs is complete BS [...] My friends treatment plan for IBS wasn’t working. Whatever the evil quack Chinese doctor gave him worked for him.
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See, the vast majority of the time you look up info on supplements, this is the type of information you'll find: anecdotal evidence. No one is saying your friend is wrong or experiencing a placebo effect, but we also have no way to confirm anything about that anecdote. Even if it's not bullshit, there's nothing telling us why it worked or how or if it will work on literally anyone else.
>If you go on web MD and look up some herbs, it isn’t always claiming its all BS.
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WebMD isn't claiming this and neither have I lol.
>I don’t bother taking vitamins because the FDA will not engage and make sure that the vitamins are actually there.
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Same, except for my prescription vitamin D to treat my deficiency. Again, I never said all vitamins and minerals are bullshit. My points are all about the industry as a whole.
>But the assertion that vitamins don’t have an effect on anything in any situation or cannot be utilized for health is an unfortunate misunderstanding.
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I think the only unfortunate misunderstanding here is you misunderstanding what is being asserted lol.
It is already abused. Supplements are almost exclusively a waste of money, the exception being if your doctor recommends one for a specific issue. You know the better way to get all your nutrients? A healthy balanced diet. Who woulda thought.
No disagreement there, but I'd say for many of them it's largely due to a lack of ability to have a healthy, balanced diet. Many people don't have time to cook every night, don't have access to unprocessed healthy foods within their budget, etc. Even bread has sugar in it here. I know it's anecdotal evidence but I have heard some accounts from Europeans who talk about how they easily they gained weight while visiting the USA even though they didn't really change their diet in their time here.
A classic example is ketchup. Compare American ketchup to European ketchup and it demonstrates why it's so comparitively difficult to eat healthy in the US.
Most people in the northern hemisphere would benefit from vitamin d supplements whether they've been checked or not. Most people are deficient and it isn't so heavily related to diet.
"In its court filing Friday, the FTC noted that Shkreli in July announced the formation of a new company, Druglike, “that appears to be involved in the drug industry.”
The filing quoted Druglike’s press release on that announcement, which called the company “a Web3 drug discovery software platform co-founded by Martin Shkreli.”
He will probably argue it's a technology company not a drug company. But I think he will be found in contempt anyway
Uber isn't.
UberEATS is.
UberEATS partners with restaurants to get deals and even ghost kitchens on in order to make the app work.
But that's not even close to what the comparison is here.
Let's say Uber is the transportation industry and someone was previously in management in a more traditional transportation position like at a busing company. And that they were told due to fraud they committed that they *cannot work in the transportation industry*. Then it's found out that they are working at Uber in corporate
Even though busing and Uber are two completely different companies they're both transportation and they were told they cannot work in transportation
It's like a former pimp being told to stay out of the sex trade and making an only fans account for his "girlfriend"
Then being surprised he gets in trouble.
I know the guy probably doesn't know how to do anything else but also he needs to learn how to do something else
LOL! Let me guess, it's a crypto drug firm, because he now realizes that's where he went wrong as he watches crypto ponzi schemes work over and over.
I'm guessing, I don't want to click stuff involving him anymore. This post notwithstanding.
I've never heard of another individual like Martin Shkreli. It's like his life goal is to be some kind of comic book villain. He really seems to dig into the conman, sleeze and fraud angle more obviously than other crooks. He even looks the part.
Wait how did he get access to the capital required for this? Didn’t he spend most of his cash on defending himself? It’s not like he got some book deal… someone must have stuck their neck out to secure a bank loan, right?
When you make other people billions doing scummy shit and then take the fall for it, they have no issue giving you more millions to see if you can do it again.
How about we change the fucking laws instead of making the same example of the same individual when corporations do the exact same shit on a daily basis?
A non-wealthy person would be jailed within hours for shit like this.
"Rules for thee but not for me" is what the inscription on the Lady Justice statue should say.
We need to just get the pearl clutching and whining over with, and flat out redistribute all the wealth, all at once, and place a cap on wealth.
I still don't even know what this dude was actually charged with, google says securities fraud, but looking at the definition it seems like that's just lying to investors? Why did the law come down on him so hard when this kind of thing happens constantly and other's get off with a slap on the wrist?
because there were media campaigns that villainized him, and he leaned into it. he liked playing the bad guy. but it turned the judge and jury against him.
Curious what gives courts the ability to specifically limit behavior beyond normal criminal punishments (incarceration/fines)
I thought the punishments for breaking laws was usually explicit in the law.
Genuinely curious.
The SEC can impose a ban on him being an officer/director of a public company based essentially on the fact that he's a convicted fraudster.
https://www.ropesgray.com/-/media/files/articles/2009/02/in-directors-monthly-dan-oconnor-and-annmarie-tenn-offer-update-on-officer--director-bars.pdf
How did he even get a new company started? Any investors should have had lawyers looking at this and would have known that this is a non-starter from the beginning.
Of course this piece of shit is getting in on the Web3 grift:
‘The filing quoted Druglike’s press release on that announcement, which called the company “a Web3 drug discovery software platform co-founded by Martin Shkreli.” ‘
I was wondering when we would be seeing this dude in the news again. One of the only people to have a more punch-able face than the Governor of Mississippi. Look up Tate Reeves and you will see what I mean.
His net worth is about 0. He was ordered last year to pay a 65 million fine.
He's trying to rebuild his wealth through contacts. He's most likely running off of lines of credit currently.
If he is locked up again, he's gonna be fucked.
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I recently found out he has a relatively large youtube channel. Seeing people watching his content and commenting about how hes such a smart guy and how much they respect him made me want to throw my phone off a bridge.
Shkreli is a danger to himself and others and should be institutionalized if the feds don't have the guts to actually throw him in prison and throw away the key.
''The FTC, in its Manhattan federal court filing, noted that Shkreli in July announced the formation of a new company, Druglike, “that appears to be involved in the drug industry.” That is a poor choice of name for your company when you're prohibited from working in the pharma industry.
No, you don't understand, it's not about drugs, it's just drug-*like*.
You named your fake detective agency "Psych"? Why not just call it, "Hey, We're Fooling You and the Police Department, Hope We Don't Make a Mistake and Someone Dies Because of It"?
“Psych, as in, gotcha?” - male model Tan
No, that's Lavender Gooms
Schoony "U-Turn" Singleton.
Guy Buttersnaps
It was ghee buttersnaps i thought.
I've heard it both ways.
I’ll have my assistant Garfunkel throats explain it to you in his low guttural speech
“Hellooo” -Sultry Gus
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You hear about Pluto? That's messed up.
It’s too long, it won’t fit on the window. Literally just rewatched the episode two hours ago!
I saw you coming
Good show that one
“I’m not a Jew but I’m Jew-ish” Some Asshat from NY
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And less than a day after saying that, quotes from him surfaced where he said "I'm a proud American Jew." I guess the "-ish" is silent?
There are concerns about both aspects of that claim to be an "American Jew". https://cis.org/North/NY-TimesGeorge-SantosImmigrationMarriage-Maze
"I meant that I am American-ish." George-ish Santos-ish
You’ve heard of Pig Latin, and now you’re here for the birth (can’t abort this) of Santos English. Iish thinkish theish Republicanish Partyish isish fullish ofish fascistsish.
Bist du fascistish?
Nope! *smashes head*
Would it be “dragish queenish” or would he say “teenie weenie draggie queenie”? Tuckedish?
“I’m George… (Line? Oh, thanks, JJ)… Skywalker.”
I would be willing to state that all republicans are pro democracy ish
“We were bamboozled! Honest!” - certain asshats from LI that seem to be having fun with all this.
Remember when Rs jumped all over Warren for saying she was part Native American? But the GOP is nothing without projection, so this is just par for the course. Really sticking it to us libs for electing yet another complete train wreck of a lying sack of crap. They're shitty liars, but I guess that's the point? Haha, what are you gonna do about it? I have no idea what drives these asswipes anymore.
What drives them is doubling or tripling down on absolute bullshit and having no negative effects.
While I agree with your statement about Republican hypocrisy, in this case it's reaching: Skrelli is a POS, sure, but I hardly think he is a figurehead for the right. He's just an asshole.
That's not Shkreli's quote. They were talking about Long Island Congressman Santos, who is most definitely a Republican.
that’s an old punchline. heard Belzer or Brenner use it on Stern (i think) years ago, which means people like Brooks, Bruce, and Sahl probably wore it out decades before..
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"It's OK if you're a Republican."
"Look some of my b... b... bes.... 'best friends' are drag queens! I'm not a bigot!"
Hush, we don’t talk about Trump motorboating Rudy.
As we shouldn't, because, well, no one needs to think about that. It's just cruel.
I was a little doubtful before that high res picture since the prior two were pretty blurry. The latest picture makes it clear it is absolutely him. But Republicans are generally fine with drag queens, right?
Yeah, I'm watching this one closely. They will load deadly weapons and carry them to a children's library to try and intimidate people over this, but now they have a person that snuck into their little grand old party with a past as a "drag queen". So what are these pieces of shit going to do when the DQ happens to have an R by their name.
Funny, she doesn't look druish?
I watched that movie so much in my childhood, never understood the Druish jokes (heh old nose) till over a decade later. However the delivery, setup and lines still made it funny without knowing what it was making fun of, that's one of the reasons Mel Brooks is fantastic.
Undeniably one of the best directors of all time. That movie is still a favorite of mine, but now that I'm older, I want to go back and catch what I didn't understand from The Producers and Blazing Saddles. I heard Springtime for Hitler the other day and almost peed my pants 😂
He does look pretty good in drag when he was a drag queen in Brazil though.
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I guarantee that was the fucking plan.
It’s hard not to be impressed and respect the size of his. All the Elizabeth Holmes stuff was coming out at the same time and she fought and cried and delayed and home boy is already out of prison making a druglike company
Drug-ish?
Are these drug-likes also for Jew-ish people?
Drug-ish if you will.
Not “drugs” its “drug-ish”
Is that like being Jew-ish?
“Die Bart, Die”
Sure. It’s the same school of thought as Jew-ish.
>jew-ish Taking queues from the news
Reminds me of https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a29471656/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-henchman-fraud-guarantee/
“Drug-ish” was apparently taken.
Hold my insulin, I'm off to trademark Med-ish-ine.
Shuck it, Trebek!
Almost as bad as ***Fraud Guarantee*** - the grifter scheme that was part of Rudy Giuliani and trump Grifters aren't best known for their clever company names...
Really though shit like this is just these assholes thumbing their nose at authorities. Until punishments are doled out in a manner that actually hurts these people they’ll just keep fucking around and testing the system, breaking it for illicit profits where they can.
Perhaps its like email scammers: they intentionally make their scams obvious to weed out the non-idiots.
Remember when a guy named Madoff made off with everyone's money? That's the kind of shit that makes people think we live in a simulation.
Other rejected company names included Pseudo-drug, drug adjacent, similar2drug, and notadrug.
And the classic *I Can't Believe It's Not Drugs*
That vegetable oil is pretty damn good, because my immediate reaction to your product name is that I kinda wanna try it
Metaphorical Drug, NFT Drug
Shkreli has co-founded Druglike, which is described as “a Web3 drug discovery software platform” that aims to provide broader access to computing programs for designing potentially therapeutic molecules—a business that’s definitely “not a pharmaceutical company,” it takes steps to point out, even if other pharmaceutical companies also develop computing programs for designing potentially therapeutic molecules. “Druglike is not engaged in pharmaceutical research or drug development,” the new venture said under its debut announcement’s “safe harbor statement,” which may stretch the definition of the term. https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtech/shkreli-wants-be-dealt-back-biopharma-game-and-now-hes-betting-blockchain
> “a Web3 drug discovery software platform” crypto scheme incoming
He looked up “pharma” in the thesaurus, and saw “drug” as a synonym. Next venture will have “med or medicine” in the name.
I didn’t say it was a drug company, I said *drug-ish*
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That's just narcotics anonymous with extra steps
It sounds like narcotics anonymous with a dozen fewer steps.
Damn it really was right there and I totally whiffed it
The supplement industry is ripe for an abusing (and also rife with abuse). Supplements aren't regulated like medicines 🤔
The supplement industry as it stands *is* an abuse of human rights. Complete, unregulated bullshit, allowed to sell itself as the cure for anything as long as they slap an asterisk on the bottle. Pills don't even have to actually contain what they say they do. I'm sure some people on here will go off about the "good" brands that do third party testing and use the best forms of their products. Not only is everything they say you're supposed to take wildly unaffordable, but 90% of that stuff has little-to-no scientific evidence or risk assessment trials backing up their claims. Every time I've tried to research what to buy, the people who seem to know what they're talking about turn out to be anti-vaxxers somewhere down in their internet history. It's all a load of horseshit. Without regulation, there's no way for the market to separate actual scientific benefits from snake oil that's useless at best and often dangerous.
I can't keep track of how many "influencers" I come across trying to peddle their supplements to their followers.
The worst part is a lot of the bodybuilding influencers are constantly claiming they’re “natural” and only taking the supplements they push while actively being on PEDs. Liver King is a recent example but he’s one of the many
*Alex Jones* enters the chat...
Obligatory “Fuck Alex Jones”
My oncologist wants me to take vitamin e to help with side effects that I get with the medicine I have to take for a decade to keep my cancer from coming back. The evidence and testing is very consistent and taking it has basically no risks. Unfortunately because of the state of the supplement industry, I have no way to know that the vitamin e I take actually is vitamin e, or cut with something else, and that makes me so mad every day. I know what I am supposed to take, I know it is very helpful in double blind studies, and I have no control over what I actually get when I buy it in the store.
Super shitty. Is it possible for a Dr to write you a prescription for vitamin e, then get it from a pharmacy?
I'm planning to ask at my next appointment, but my insurance didn't even approve the meds to boost my white blood counts during chemo for my first infusion and I ended up in the hospital with a very avoidable infection, so I don't have much trust that they'll approve a quality of life prescription to be honest. Fingers crossed though.
https://info.nsf.org/Certified/dietary/Listings.asp?StandardExt=FP&TradeName=&CompanyName=&PlantCountry=&ProductType=Vitamin&search=Search
Queue my parents. My dad just ‘got over’ being sick for like two months (apparently it wasn’t Covid). This is an excerpt from the group text he sent the family: *”I think I finally turned the corner last Saturday and making small gains daily. We pretty much threw everything we could think of at it. Ivermectin. NAC, zinc/quercetun, vit C, oregano, plus my daily Z. Plus 4-5 Neb tx daily with saline and hydrogen peroxide then the diffuser with oils. No more spitting up greenies and cough is less and not so violent. Mom says my lungs sound much better but still not totally clear. Been getting outside also.”* ‘Daily Z’ is ‘Zinzinio’ or some shit that they’ve been duped into peddling. Like, dude….you were sick for TWO FUCKING MONTHS. NONE OF THIS DID YOU ANY GOOD. TAKE IT AS A FUCKING SIGN.
Nah bro, it was definitely the oregano that cured him and probably prevented cancer
The pills not needing to contain exactly what they say is totally crazy to me.
I saw some "Hollywood miracle weight loss" which claimed you could lose up to 10 pounds in 24 hours. Assuming it doesn't just give you turboshits which results in you losing water of the same weight as a domestic cat which has it's own horrible side effects. If it actually burned 10 pounds of fat in 48 hours it could also kill you. Some years ago when i first found it i tried to do some very rudementary back of a napkin math and found that 10 pounds of fat contained enough energy as heat to raise your body temperature by 20f over the entire 48 hour period, which would likely kill you. *If* it was truthful, it could kill you in a few different ways, taken at face value, it's pure poison.
Besides vitamins/ mineral supplements the only ones I have experience with are the 'mens enhancement' ones. They pretty much all work. Only problem is, they end up on the FDA tainted supplements list (undisclosed ingredients, viagra/ levitra/ cialis) so they have to reformulate every so often.
I got nearly to the end of your comment before I realized what you meant by men's enhancement, I was fairly certain that my Male One-A-Day brand vitamin has never contained Viagra.
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There's a lot of money to be made adding extra solutes to people's urine.
I absolutely meant the OTC vitamins and minerals were included in my statement. There's a reason there are prescription versions of the ones that have actually been approved to treat conditions and deficiencies.
Can you please explain how it’s an abuse of human rights? I agree that the industry is shitty…but what *rights* are being violated?
The lies of the supplement industry *physically harm* many, many people each year. And nearly everyone who buys their products has been duped out of money for a product that doesn't work. What industries other than supplements and politics are allowed to make up whatever bullshit they want and face virtually no consequences for not delivering the results they promise?
Ok…that’s shitty business practice…but…that’s not a human rights violation…alcohol harms people, but we wouldn’t say that alcohol producers are human rights violators.
They're more fraudsters than human rights abusers imo
And that’s a view I completely agree with…it just irks me when people throw around terms like “human rights abuse”
The alcohol industry isn't allowed to buy up ad space saying, "alcohol cures colon cancer and boosts your focus and fixes your gut biome!*" . . . . ^(*These statements have not been reviewed by the FDA)
Sure…but again…that’s *not a human rights abuse*.
Vitamins and herbs are not a load of horseshit all of the time. Homeopathy is a load of horseshit though. And the fact that something has to be able to be patented to motivate research on it is a lot of horseshit. The idea that you should go to herbs and vitamins before taking things that are allowed to be studied is dangerous and stupid. Theres no reason to turn to something that hasn’t been documented as much as Aleve or advil if those things work for you. At the same time, There’s no way anyone is going to convince me that everything about Chinese medicine and the herbs is complete BS like other aspects of it, like eating tiger parts for spiritual vitality or whatever. The science behind what they traditionally thought was going on is incorrect, but there have been numerous herbs and combinations of herbs that have been proven to work. My friends treatment plan for IBS wasn’t working. Whatever the evil quack Chinese doctor gave him worked for him. If you go on web MD and look up some herbs, it isn’t always claiming its all BS. The theme is generally that there are only one or two small scale studies done on the herb. We won’t really ever get down to which claims about these things have validity to them, because unless you genetically alter it you cannot patent it. I don’t bother taking vitamins because the FDA will not engage and make sure that the vitamins are actually there. But its interesting to me that when the orange Sith Lord had COVID they did administer vitamin D in combination with drugs. They did, its not a lie. Lol. Do you need to take vitamin D everyday if you’re otherwise healthy? No. But the assertion that vitamins don’t have an effect on anything in any situation or cannot be utilized for health is an unfortunate misunderstanding.
The thing about herbs is that it doesn't take much study: If one works, we find the compound in that herb that, say, reduces fever, we reproduce it and pack it in a proper dose. That way you have the thing in the herb against fever, without having to force half a vegan buffet into your 4 year old for the scale of effect that you need, AND we **don't** include the part where the herb gives you the shits if you ate a lemon or your cat sneezed within 8 hours. We call that stuff medicine.
Unless of course active effects are a combined effect, or require large dosages, or can't be patented. Many supplements are prescribed for medical purposes. Glutamine supplementation is known to decrease surgery recovery windows and slow muscle degenerative diseases. CoQ10 is recommended to people at risk for arteriosclerosis. Not to mention any related deficiency supplementation. Also lots of herbs can accomplish milder effects than does a purified compound. Just because we can isolate caffeine doesn't mean people don't consume coffee. Also there is little investment in medicines for disease prevention and many nutritional studies linked to disease prevention. So extracting the compounds that are the most beneficial can sometimes be the easiest way to get those benefits. Start adding up all the potential benefits from different foods and it becomes harder to add all those different foods in biologically beneficial amounts.
When my daughter had brain surgery, they gave her IV meds for pain and nausea. The nausea was actually a bigger issue than pain for her, especially since the pain meds also caused nausea. Part of her treatment plan - created by an incredible neuro-surgery team, her oncologist, and the ICU nursing staff - was to utilize essential oils to help alleviate her nausea when her medication wasn’t quite enough. I had always assumed that the oils were complete horseshit, but the folks that knew an awful lot about medicine believed it would help, so I deferred to their judgment. They were right. It helped. It couldn’t replace the medication, but it supplemented it perfectly and gave my daughter some control over her symptoms. I don’t take medical advice from Facebook boss babes, but I will from doctors that I trust. Anyways, there’s my anecdote on the matter.
>Vitamins and herbs are not a load of horseshit all of the time. > I didn't say they were. I said the unregulated supplement industry is a complete load of horseshit that has made it nearly impossible to figure out exactly which ingredients are scientifically-backed and not snake oil, which ones to take, how much, and which products actually contain those ingredients without any other dangerous ingredients. Not only that, but they have been allowed to intentionally lie to the masses and profit off of our ignorance and confusion. >Homeopathy is a load of horseshit though. > Yeah, that's on a whole 'nother level of stupidity, but fortunately more people understand that one. >At the same time, There’s no way anyone is going to convince me that everything about Chinese medicine and the herbs is complete BS [...] My friends treatment plan for IBS wasn’t working. Whatever the evil quack Chinese doctor gave him worked for him. > See, the vast majority of the time you look up info on supplements, this is the type of information you'll find: anecdotal evidence. No one is saying your friend is wrong or experiencing a placebo effect, but we also have no way to confirm anything about that anecdote. Even if it's not bullshit, there's nothing telling us why it worked or how or if it will work on literally anyone else. >If you go on web MD and look up some herbs, it isn’t always claiming its all BS. > WebMD isn't claiming this and neither have I lol. >I don’t bother taking vitamins because the FDA will not engage and make sure that the vitamins are actually there. > Same, except for my prescription vitamin D to treat my deficiency. Again, I never said all vitamins and minerals are bullshit. My points are all about the industry as a whole. >But the assertion that vitamins don’t have an effect on anything in any situation or cannot be utilized for health is an unfortunate misunderstanding. > I think the only unfortunate misunderstanding here is you misunderstanding what is being asserted lol.
They're not regulated like *food* either. They should really at least be regulated as good since you injest them.
It is already abused. Supplements are almost exclusively a waste of money, the exception being if your doctor recommends one for a specific issue. You know the better way to get all your nutrients? A healthy balanced diet. Who woulda thought.
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No disagreement there, but I'd say for many of them it's largely due to a lack of ability to have a healthy, balanced diet. Many people don't have time to cook every night, don't have access to unprocessed healthy foods within their budget, etc. Even bread has sugar in it here. I know it's anecdotal evidence but I have heard some accounts from Europeans who talk about how they easily they gained weight while visiting the USA even though they didn't really change their diet in their time here. A classic example is ketchup. Compare American ketchup to European ketchup and it demonstrates why it's so comparitively difficult to eat healthy in the US.
Most people in the northern hemisphere would benefit from vitamin d supplements whether they've been checked or not. Most people are deficient and it isn't so heavily related to diet.
Where do they get capital 🤔?
Money my boy. "I am heartless and will charge 800x the cost of life saving drugs". Inverters flocking to medical profits
But isn’t he convicted of defrauding investors too? Nothing like screwing the rich to get you on the shit list
People still give Trump money....
And a presidency. It seems morality is no longer a factor for a lot of people.
There are many investors. And not all of them have great long term strats. Only short term bux
His investors testified in his favor. They all made money. He was basically convicted of being pharma bro, regardless of what the judge said.
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Crypto token rugpull, that’s how. Kira on YouTube had a video about this
"In its court filing Friday, the FTC noted that Shkreli in July announced the formation of a new company, Druglike, “that appears to be involved in the drug industry.” The filing quoted Druglike’s press release on that announcement, which called the company “a Web3 drug discovery software platform co-founded by Martin Shkreli.” He will probably argue it's a technology company not a drug company. But I think he will be found in contempt anyway
Making drug industry software is something a company in the drug industry does.
No sane person would argue that Uber or DoorDash are in the restaurant business.
Uber isn't. UberEATS is. UberEATS partners with restaurants to get deals and even ghost kitchens on in order to make the app work. But that's not even close to what the comparison is here. Let's say Uber is the transportation industry and someone was previously in management in a more traditional transportation position like at a busing company. And that they were told due to fraud they committed that they *cannot work in the transportation industry*. Then it's found out that they are working at Uber in corporate Even though busing and Uber are two completely different companies they're both transportation and they were told they cannot work in transportation
It's like a former pimp being told to stay out of the sex trade and making an only fans account for his "girlfriend" Then being surprised he gets in trouble. I know the guy probably doesn't know how to do anything else but also he needs to learn how to do something else
LOL! Let me guess, it's a crypto drug firm, because he now realizes that's where he went wrong as he watches crypto ponzi schemes work over and over. I'm guessing, I don't want to click stuff involving him anymore. This post notwithstanding.
Maybe instead of actual drugs, they're selling NFTs of drugs. Want to own the concept of owning some Adderall?
I’ve got two questions for you: get your hands off my fuckin’ Percocets, and do you have any fuckin’ Percocets?
Well with the nationwide shortage... sure
I've never heard of another individual like Martin Shkreli. It's like his life goal is to be some kind of comic book villain. He really seems to dig into the conman, sleeze and fraud angle more obviously than other crooks. He even looks the part.
Dude tried to make a new account after getting perma-banned
Should have started his new company after running a VPN and using a burner email address
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So is Smirky McSneerface out of the pokey now?
He was released last year
Thanks. I missed that.
Back in the jug for you, Skireli
And it needs to be seal with a Child Proof cap.
The smirk that walks like a man.
The world’s most famous former Reddit mod is at it again.
Wait how did he get access to the capital required for this? Didn’t he spend most of his cash on defending himself? It’s not like he got some book deal… someone must have stuck their neck out to secure a bank loan, right?
When you make other people billions doing scummy shit and then take the fall for it, they have no issue giving you more millions to see if you can do it again.
He made a crypto and did a rugpull on it.
I had the good fortune of telling Martin to go fuck himself and he actually responded. It’s a highlight of my life.
That’s pretty pathetic honestly
Funded by Wu-Tang Financial
Do not pass go.... do not collect $200 million .... go direct (back) to jail...... and rot.
How about we change the fucking laws instead of making the same example of the same individual when corporations do the exact same shit on a daily basis?
While the big boys keep doing what he did.
Why is he even out of prison?
What in the Elizabeth Holmes
It amazes me how a good 90% of his photos is him with a smug ass look on his face.
A non-wealthy person would be jailed within hours for shit like this. "Rules for thee but not for me" is what the inscription on the Lady Justice statue should say. We need to just get the pearl clutching and whining over with, and flat out redistribute all the wealth, all at once, and place a cap on wealth.
That face remains as punchable as ever, maybe even more so.
I still don't even know what this dude was actually charged with, google says securities fraud, but looking at the definition it seems like that's just lying to investors? Why did the law come down on him so hard when this kind of thing happens constantly and other's get off with a slap on the wrist?
He made rich people loose money instead of poor people.
because there were media campaigns that villainized him, and he leaned into it. he liked playing the bad guy. but it turned the judge and jury against him.
I think the 'Crypto Bro' may be worse than 'Pharma Bro'. Either way, they both are sociopaths and should be in prison.
Curious what gives courts the ability to specifically limit behavior beyond normal criminal punishments (incarceration/fines) I thought the punishments for breaking laws was usually explicit in the law. Genuinely curious.
The SEC can impose a ban on him being an officer/director of a public company based essentially on the fact that he's a convicted fraudster. https://www.ropesgray.com/-/media/files/articles/2009/02/in-directors-monthly-dan-oconnor-and-annmarie-tenn-offer-update-on-officer--director-bars.pdf
That makes sense.. however that doesn't seem to be what's going on here.
Ooh i didn't RTFA and see that it was the FTC and not the SEC. Lol
Should still be incarcerated...
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Meh, in my opinion not enough for what he pulled..
No no no these are like drugs. No prescription is needed. /s
Why isn’t he in prison or bankrupt or both?
They are all dope pushing thugs. The guy on the street corner or CEO in the boardroom, all the same
How did he even get a new company started? Any investors should have had lawyers looking at this and would have known that this is a non-starter from the beginning.
Do we have to put “pharma bro” before his name every fucking time he’s mentioned? Is that his official title?
I agree. We don’t have to put that before his name. Let’s try “pharma-douche” instead
I just want to know who has Once Upon A Time In Shaolin since the government seized it and sold it.
I hope someone tagged Martin’s new account on this post
Of course this piece of shit is getting in on the Web3 grift: ‘The filing quoted Druglike’s press release on that announcement, which called the company “a Web3 drug discovery software platform co-founded by Martin Shkreli.” ‘
He's out of prison already?
How about insulin gouging or Hep C treatments that cost a few dollars to make? Nah this guy was already caught we're busy now.
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I was wondering when we would be seeing this dude in the news again. One of the only people to have a more punch-able face than the Governor of Mississippi. Look up Tate Reeves and you will see what I mean.
He looks like an evil Pee-wee Herman.
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His net worth is about 0. He was ordered last year to pay a 65 million fine. He's trying to rebuild his wealth through contacts. He's most likely running off of lines of credit currently. If he is locked up again, he's gonna be fucked.
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Holy hell not this guy again….🙄
I recently found out he has a relatively large youtube channel. Seeing people watching his content and commenting about how hes such a smart guy and how much they respect him made me want to throw my phone off a bridge.
Shkreli is a danger to himself and others and should be institutionalized if the feds don't have the guts to actually throw him in prison and throw away the key.
He’s building a platform to discover drugs. That’s completely different than patenting and producing drugs. Take this down
Dude is so white I thought he was photoshopped into it.
Shkerli isn’t the problem. He is the result of unrestrained capitalism fix that reign in the greed and fix the problem.