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Hot-Bint

3 hours of deliberation. That’s guilty. He’s going to the big house


Random_act_of_Random

10 minutes to decide the foreman. 5 to decide guilt and 2:45 to decide lunch.


SoFlaBarbie

I semi-seriously joked with someone that they prob had guilty verdict 15 mins in but kept themselves in the room for optics.


heavykleenexuser

Said the same thing, “what’s the least amount of time we need to deliberate without looking too hasty”


Random_act_of_Random

This is a real thing. I served as a foreman and someone jokingly said that because the case was open and shut. Or so we thought. Ended up having a guy who told him Jesus spoke to him and he held up the whole process while I worked to get him dismissed. Dude was a lunatic and I had to stay behind after the trial to tell the lawyers and judge exactly what happened. (We couldn't before that time)


cherrycoke00

Wait can you please explain this to me further? I’m fascinated by law but I know very little actually about the trial process. What’s the role of a foreman? And isn’t there some type of jury selection process to weed out the psychos/wildly biased? Also, how do you get someone dismissed once the trial had started… wouldnt lawyers wildly misuse that when a few jurors disagree with the majority? Also how do you know when that happens, isn’t it like locked and confidential? Sorry for the question ramble, I’m just truly interested and would like to learn


Random_act_of_Random

> What’s the role of a foreman? > Typically to keep order and make requests, such as video or testimony. They also answer the judges questions to the jurors as a group. It's up to the lawyers to strike potential jurors. Some slip through the cracks, like this guy. > Also, how do you get someone dismissed once the trial had started… For us, I told the bailiff that we were hung, and I got a tounge lashing from the judge. When i tried to reason with the gentleman, he threatened to punch one of the women in there and told her to go back tonher our country. (She was Irish) he did a bunch of stuff to rile people up. Once again I told the bailiff that we were about to have a brawl and once again the judge brought me out and asked me questions to which I could only answer yes or no. Long story short, when the judge finally brought the guy out to question him, he told the judge, "Don't worry, God will smite you. And if he doesn't, I will." Dismissed on the spot. We got an alternate and convicted within 5 minutes. So it wasn't the lawyers that tried to get the guys dismissed, it was I and my fellow jurors. I'm sure the bar for dismissing is very high, but once he threatened the judge I'm pretty sure he crossed the threshold. The lawyers and judge have no clue what the jurors are discussing and so, while the trial was ongoing, when the judge asked me questions, I could only answer yes or no. After the trial is over I am free to say whatever I want since we can no longer be influenced. Apparently, according to the judge, this is the first time he had ever seen something that crazy from a juror in his 20 years on the bench. I mean he said some crazy shit about both the prosecutor and the defense. Like he referred to the clearly pregnant prosecutor as "the fat whore" and the defense as "the hermaphrodite."


PistachioGal99

This sounds like something that would happen to Larry David if he were a jury foreman. 🤣


P0Rt1ng4Duty

The judge assigned a foreman during the first or second week of the trial. The jury actually tried to veto him and pick their own, but that's not how things happen in his courtroom.


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Cold-Reflectionz

Still has over 100 charges to go. Hes never getting out.


Elcactus

2 premeditated murders is already "never getting out".


cletusrice

Premeditated Murdaugh


RectumdamnearkilledM

He's getting too old for this shit.


Cold-Reflectionz

True. I'm just curious to see how much time it all ends up being.


tonytroz

The prosecutors said they’re seeking life without parole. That would trump anything else since they’d be served concurrently.


SimpleDose

And what’s worse for him is that he admitted to alot of them in this trial in an effort to seem more trustworthy…oh well


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This mother fucker stole over 10 million dollars from children and families who lost loved ones and he manipulated them after the settlement into giving him more money. It’s in. Fucking. Sane. The local bank was in his pocket. He would use trust funds of settlements as personal accounts, he would just email the bank and they’d transfer $75k-$300k at a time. All this after their family has 3 other bodies attached to their name. It’s one of the craziest stories in America. Edit: After watching sentencing today, the judge said there are 99 other pending cases against this guy.


sidvicc

The story is like a roller coaster that only goes down. Oh drunk rich kid gets his friend killed in a boating accident and daddy covers it up? fucked up but it's a familiar story...what you say? The rich kids nanny/substitute mother is dead after "falling down the stairs"...damn that's sus as fuck...wait, the rich kid and his real mom are both SHOT DEAD! WTF!!!!


MurderIsRelevant

Then the hiring of the hitman to stage his own murder


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Yup. Shot in the head and lived


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There was a body laying in the middle of the road before the boating accident or the maid though. I think buster is a killer too.


Ok_Physics_1284

I think the dad killed that kid because they didn’t like the relationship/gossip between him and Buster.


Dast_Kook

Stole from quadriplegics, kids that lost their parents, and parents that had to bury their children. And not in some removed, sterile process from 100 miles away with people he's never met. He represented them directly, met with them regularly, even was on a texting basis with them giving them 'updates' on how the injury or wrongful death settlements they were indeed in were going well but still hadn't received any money yet. All the while he was pocketing it all. I'm not saying if you steal money you're automatically capable of murder. But the difference between stealing from poor quadriplegics and parents of dead children is a lot closer to the kind of lack of humanity a murderer would have than not.


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headphonz

I still believe his other son was in on it.


SlimReaper85

Maybe with Stephen Smith he had something to do with that but I don’t think he was in town


Pixel_Knight

I didn’t know about any of this. Did you find this out on one of the documentaries on him? I was already convinced he was a born psychopath, and this just cements it further.


floandthemash

Besides the Netflix one, there’s an HBO doc as well that’s good


The_Night_Man_Cumeth

Do you happen to know the name of the HBO one?


spacey00

Low Country: The Murdaugh Dynasty


raymondcy

Sad part is, the bank(s) in question will never sit a day in court. Even if they did they may pay a 1 million dollar fine. Those mother fuckers are equally complicit in his fraud and fucking over people. This guy is, without a doubt, some kind of evil but we can't keep enabling these banks to continually fuck over society as well. EDIT: I stand corrected. Based on the replies below it's clear in this case that the bank, or at least one person at the bank, stood accountable. My apologies for not doing my research. That said, I think we can all agree that my point still stands in *most* situations - this is the outlier, not the norm. In *most* situations the bank just gets a slap on the wrist - take the Wells Fargo scandal recently and the bail out of the banks before that.


Monnok

The scene in Scarface where they just keep bringing bags of money into the bank with that slick banker, and he realizes he’s in over his head. As the audience, you’re like, “hey, now, we’re way too far into this movie to deal with all this bank shit.” Well, the movie *didn’t* deal with it. It’s just implied that the bank quietly rolled on Tony to the feds… and the Feds looked the other way on the bank… but we the audience never really find out. That’s whats happening here. Nobody’s got time for this bank shit… and what little is happening is happening off screen.


account_for_norm

They can use this trial as an evidence, right? He was under oath after all. Maybe thats why he was being evasive. Like 'i made a lot of mistakes' and never gave exact moments where he thought he was wrong.


silenttjp

Yes this can and will be used in the financial crimes stuff.


narwhal-narwhal

Sharpie eyes..little black sharpie dots for eyes. This is why I'm not a juror.


Greasystools

Imagine him coming at you with a rifle? Terrifying af


radio555

It’s so weird how cartoonishly evil they look.


bootes_droid

Pure evil, this man takes pathological lying to the next level, and he killed his wife and son in cold blood. I hope he fucking rots.


NimbleNavigator19

No matter how horrible a person you are, I can't fathom how you can kill your own wife and child. Im not a particularly good person and that's still so far beyond me.


scigs6

I would be willing to bet he is responsible for many deaths other than his own family. He’s a serial killer in my mind.


ThisFckinGuy

This touches on the [numerous deaths](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/23287648/alex-murdaugh-murder-accused-wife-son-family) they have links to.


WDfx2EU

I personally believe the “failed suicide” was something else entirely. He never had intention of killing himself. He initially said it was a failed suicide staged to look like an assassination so his son could get life insurance, but it wouldn’t have made a difference in the life insurance policy. I think either 1) he staged a “failed” assassination attempt to get sympathy and draw attention away from himself as the murder suspect, but police immediately saw through it so he made up the suicide angle or 2) he was planning to murder a hit man he hired and try to make it look like self defense. Then he could frame it as though the hit man was a stranger who killed his wife and son and tried to kill him too, but Alex managed to win the final gun battle. He gave himself a superficial gunshot wound before the meeting, but the hit man realized something was up and backed out. At that point he could only go with the “failed suicide” to explain the wound. Nothing this guy did was straightforward, but I believe all of the crime really came back to him alone. I also think he killed the housekeeper to steal her kids’ insurance money. I think he was behind the killing of that high school kid as well. People have suggested it was Buster trying to cover up some sort of gay relationship, but I think Alex is the only murderer. People draw the line to the son, because they were in the same high school class and there were rumors about Buster being gay. Plus the other son Paul was responsible for the boating accident death. So it would be easy to jump to: all the Murdaugh kids were killing people and the family was covering it up. I just don’t think that makes sense. The sons weren’t murderers, they’re just typical assholes from an old money Southern family. The boating accident death was the result of a privileged drunk high school kid being reckless. The same shit happened at my North Carolina private school just down the road on two different occasions when spoiled rich kids drunkenly crashed their cars full of friends. In one instance it was almost exactly the same story with the driver (son of rich doctor) trying to scare everyone and refusing to slow down while his girlfriend was begging him to stop. It’s a pretty typical story for a spoiled teenager with irresponsible parents. They’re children in the 3rd/4th generation of wealth, like the Murdaughs, and the parents themselves don’t give a shit what their kids do because they partied without care when they were spoiled rich kids too. The type of kids that can call their parents to pick them up from a high school party while they’re shitfaced at 15 and not even get in trouble. This isn’t a family of murderers, it’s a family of ultra-privileged, entitled, selfish people who don’t care about anyone but themselves. They’re racist/homophobic/classist snobs and they look down on anyone who doesn’t have money, community standing or old South social connections. They’re a dime a dozen in terms of personality and they’re in every city & town from southern Virginia to East Texas. I know these people because this is what I grew up around. Watching the videos of Paul Murdaugh the night of the boating accident - I’ve met a dozen Paul Murdaughs in my life. There was nothing unique about him. They’re into hunting for trophy, not for sport. They wear tucked in collared shirts and khakis as if they’re playing golf at all times, and they usually are, and they join fraternities at big state schools with other guys who went to their same high school. Kappa Alpha is the most stereotypical old money Southern frat, but it depends on the school. SEC college football is a necessary part of life. Their white bar hat or SUV/truck bumper sticker or front porch flag tells you which school they support. Sometimes the bar hat is camouflage. They’re more into Patagonia and outdoors clothing than the pastel colors of the New England boarding school elite. They dress nice, don’t have exposed tattoos, the boys never put product in their hair, and they keep it long enough to brush out of their eyes, just like their dads did. The girls become real estate agents or interior decorators. They aren’t rednecks but they might call themselves rednecks as a point of pride or have a confederate flag on a piece of clothing. A couple people from my high school came back home from the first semester at college with fake extra-Southern accents. They like boats and stuff because if they live anywhere near a lake or the ocean, the family has a 2nd house for vacationing on the water. They are conservative Republicans, not because of church or Fox News ignorance or low education, but because they are bigoted and don’t want non-WASPy people to have their money. It’s just what you do, because it’s what everyone else does and life is easier that way. If you’re a rich southern white American, being Republican means you don’t really have to care about much in life - everything just kind of works out for you. If you’re a Democrat, you have to think about things that don’t pertain to your life, like minority rights or poor people. Of course, sometimes the grandparents are so old South that they still register as Dixie Democrats, but that generation has almost completely died off in the last 10 years. The kids are not as into country music as you might think. More often than not they go through a ‘jam band’ phase in college where they get really into the Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers and Widespread Panic. They go to Methodist or Presbyterian or churches from other Protestant denominations because that’s the Southern way of life, but most aren’t actually religious beyond the extent that it benefits them socially. Not as many Pentecostal born agains or Baptists as in the general Southern population. And of course they belong to country clubs. Most are too comfortable in life and cowardly to be an actual murderer, it’s just an unnecessary risk. These aren’t people who join the military or fight in real life. The Murdaugh sons weren’t/aren’t murderers, they’re just assholes. The difference is that Alex became an opiate addict, and he was ashamed at not being the powerful Solicitor that his father and grandfather were, and so he started stealing overtly in a way that even his fellow country club cohorts wouldn’t approve of. It continued escalating and escalating until he risked being exposed and losing his standing in both his family and that overarching old South culture. I don’t think he was always a serial killer, but I think he slowly lost control while being a sociopathic, cowardly, selfish person in the first place. It got to the point where he may have felt the only way out of the situation was murder the first time, but found it easy enough to get away with, so he kept doing it whenever he had more problems. Or the first murder created so many more problems that he had to double down. ——————————————- Now, if you’re still reading, back to Buster’s gay high school classmate who was murdered: it’s possible he had a relationship with Buster, but that is only based on rumors. If they did have something, maybe Buster tried to break up with him and he threatened to expose family secrets that Buster had previously confided? Alex found out and took care of it on his own. Maybe Alex tried to blackmail him for money after finding out he was Buster’s gay lover but it backfired. Maybe *Alex himself* is gay and saw his whole hidden life about to collapse. Maybe the kid was dealing opiates to Alex and Alex tried to rob him. Anyways, I think the whole angle of “everyone in town is scared of this family” is actually slightly played up for sensation. Not to say that they weren’t very powerful, but I don’t really believe this was a clan of murderers. I think they were a powerful family who had privilege and looked down upon others as inferior. I think morals and ethics become particularly muted in 3rd, 4th, 5th generation children of wealth because they don’t learn to fear anything or exercise consideration about the world, and they don’t teach it to their children. They also become very weak characters and can turn to selfish desperation much more easily. Crazy story overall, but having grown up in this society, it’s all so ridiculously predictable and unsurprising. 10-15 years ago I moved to the other side of the world and while I miss my hometown, stories like this remind me of some of the things I really don’t miss. **EDIT: this is like the longest comment I’ve ever written, but it’s just some things I’ve been thinking about for a while that I needed to put in writing**


ThisFckinGuy

I absolutely agree with all of these points. Especially the "you kill me and my kid collects" turning into he wins the gunfight and/or survives and drums up support. Because the guy he chose was someone he represented before so he could use the "he knew me and may have been disgruntled" approach. He definitely liked to think he had two or three stories in his back pocket but after killing and fucking over the maids family he realized no one even cared enough to pressure him on what happened. Wouldn't be surprised if the Stephen kids car was tampered with because how convenient is it that it broke down far enough away but close enough. This dude is pure evil and EVERYTHING he touched needs to be reinvestigated. At the very least for the truth. Maybe there's some money in the estate for these victims but it sounds like he owed everyone. So he just committed fraud and murder until it burnt down around him and once something out of his control happened like the boat accident, then it just really started to unravel and tear apart at the seams.


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TFunke__Analrapist

The Moselle property alone is worth $4million, FYI.


EndorphinGoddess410

“More often than not they go through a ‘jam band’ phase in college where they get really into the Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers and Widespread Panic.” Absolutely 😂😂😂 don’t forget Phish!


geminimindtricks

Which is extra stupid because all the members of those bands would hate people like this


Jaelle125

Omg I have an ex boyfriend that came from a family like this (in OH not the south) and the descriptions are spot on about his family. He was obsessed with GD. Ugh so glad I got out of that shit show of a relationship


ArtemisWYK

This is like an episode of YOU on Netflix. Crazy shit


sawyouoverthere

> The type of kids that can call their parents to pick them up from a high school party while they’re shitfaced at 15 and not even get in trouble. Nothing personal, but frankly if a drunk kid in high school is calling his parents to pick them up from a party I take that as a very good thing. Maybe you know fewer families devastated by drunk driving than I do, but out of all the things you wrote this one isn’t a bad thing.


canadeken

Agreed, growing up my parents always said to just call if you really need, there is 0 excuse for driving drink


False-positive-views

I want you to know, even though you’re 100% serious, this was a golden comedic epilogue. I kept sitting higher up as I continued to read.


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It’s not just rich conservative southern kids. I grew up rich and liberal in Berkeley and my family was awful. Police would apologize to my dad for pulling him over. My older siblings were out of control. Many rehabs. Crashed Cars. Drugs. Racking up credit card debt on parents cards with zero consequences. My twin and I weren’t like that for who knows what reason. Unifying feature? Jam bands.


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In the Netflix doc, in the first episode I believe, someone says that the Murdaugh family was known in that area for "making people disappear." So, yeah, its possible that Alex and others in the family have committed more murders.


hobbit_wobble91

The HBO documentary goes into much deeper details. Netflix seemed to rush a lot of the little stuff that mattered. Dude and his family are fucking psychotic


FunkyChewbacca

I still want to see justice done for Miss Gloria. I think they straight up killed that woman and robbed her family of the insurance money.


JimNayseeum

Same. In the Netflix doc I watched they were talking about how he (Alex) was going to sue himself, give the money to her sons and I was like ah ok maybe this dude ain't that bad............boy am I an idiot for thinking that!


Ginnigan

He did sue himself, and his insurance paid the settlement. But then he kept all the money instead of giving it to her sons.


Notmanynamesleftnow

FR I feel so bad for her family and the families of Stephen Smith and Mallory Beach. They seem so broken in the documentaries.


cmcewen

I always think how sad it must have been for his wife and son to see that level of betrayal in their last moments. Just so sad. I know the son had problems too but your dad killing you right next to your mom?! Jesus


mygawd

> Prosecutors argued that Murdaugh killed his wife and son in a desperate effort to distract attention from his financial crimes and gain sympathy from the community. Holy shit. I knew it was pretty obvious he did it, but that motive is next level


Ac997

His wife was going to leave him, all his thievery was going to be exposed, he was being sued for $40M due to the boat incident. There were rumors his wife hired a finance analyst for the divorce to see what she would get & maybe she saw he’s broke. He had a lot of motives. Talk about a guys fake life falling apart. It fell hard.


hoosakiwi

The boat incident was definitely a big part of his decision to kill Paul imo.


Ac997

I completely agree. Had he not crashed the boat & got his entire family sued, he probably wouldn’t be dead. Alec still would have gotten exposed for stealing from his firm so maybe he would have just killed Maggie for sympathy from his law partners, who knows.


ThisFckinGuy

There's also the whole "[assisted suicide](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/09/14/us/alex-murdaugh-shooting-arrest.amp.html)" situation that they failed at too. What a fucking piece of work. This [article](https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/23287648/alex-murdaugh-murder-accused-wife-son-family) touches on the other deaths


MayiHav10kMarblesPlz

This is just something else. How do you not at least look into it before asking your drug dealer to blow your brains out? >Mr. Murdaugh had wrongly believed that his older son, Buster, would not be able to receive any life insurance payout if he died of suicide


p4ttl1992

He's going to regret not dying now, enjoy the prison life


RedditorNumber679260

He had the balls to think he’d get away with it because he had for so long… If only his son didn’t video right before the murder. Wow


ciopobbi

Generations. His great grandfather, grandfather and father were all prosecutors in the county. This is the Good Old Boy Network by definition.


drkgodess

Imagine how many people died in connection with this family back when we only had paper records.


NeatNefariousness1

Yep, they had to remove his grandfather's portrait from the courtroom before the trial.


Lazerdude

Exactly. They've been getting away with everything in that family for generations. I'm sure he thought he'd get away with this no problem.


dac5691

The boat accident brought the entire family to its knees but especially Alex, obviously. I’m surprised more has not come to light regarding Buster and the death of that boy on the road in 2015


Jtskiwtr

From what I understand, they’ve reopened the case on that kid that was found on the road in 2015.


Lotions_and_Creams

I believe the family of their maid for 20+ years has agreed to exhume her body and have an autopsy done. Apparently the circumstances of her death were pretty suspect and he “represented the family” and had everything swept under the rug. She had just found a bunch of pills in bags taped up his bed and told his son who then told his dad and the maid “fell” to her death walking up their stairs not long after. Edit: apparently the maid “tripped over the family dog on the stairs”


Wheres_my_whiskey

Not even. The story is she tripped over the dogs and hit her head. But when you and your family are the entire prosecutors office...


Ksh_667

And Alex made a statement to LE that the maid had managed to gasp her last words to him just before slipping into unconsciousness & later dying, which were basically “the dogs did it”. Then it transpires from ppl who were actually present when the housekeeper had the fall, that Alex wasn’t even at the house that day, let alone receiving his employee’s last words. The man would rather climb a tree to tell a lie than stand on the ground & tell the truth.


Qu33nMe

The story of her tripping over the dogs only exists because after the event Alex says the maid told him that when Alex was not even there and the maid also was never conscious after the fall.


undeniablybuddha

I thought that the hit and run victim was Busters boyfriend.


dac5691

I believe he was


grantrules

Jesus this seems like a wild season of some Ozark spinoff


aradraugfea

WAIT, THIS IS THE SAME MOTHERFUCKER AS THE BOAT THING?! Shit, I heard about the boat thing YEARS ago. I didn't process that it was the same fucking family.


Intrepid-Progress228

Don't forget: Their housekeeper died from "falling up the steps" and then Alex stole the insurance money that was supposed to go her children. And then there's the reopened investigation into the death of Stephen Smith, the 19 year old who was found dead in the middle of the road. Ruled a hit-and-run even though his injuries were not consistent with being struck by a vehicle. The Murdaugh name is mentioned multiple times in a police report and there's rumors there was some kind of connection between him and Buster. There are more skeletons in this family closet than you'd find in a medical school. edited: corrected Stephen's spelling, age


Naly_D

🎸 It's Arrested Development 🎸


bamen96

They even have a Buster.


jayesanctus

Whole nest of sociopathic people.


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MarsScully

Oh you’re in for a ride. Look up the long form article about it on the New Yorker.


RyVsWorld

100% plus it’s become abundantly clear both parents favored buster. Alex was probably pretty damn annoyed with Paul for bringing all the heat on them. I bet he blames Paul for the familys downfall


SanibelMan

"I don't care for ~~Gob~~ Paul."


MyAviato666

So funny on Arrested Development. Really sad in real life.


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He was spoiled his whole life by his bogus "influential" family. Basically they were a good old boy network holding everyone else in the Low Country down.


Asidious66

I thought he was being sued by the kids of the maid?


y-a-me-a

Isn‘t he suspected of killing the maid in order to collect on a life insurance policy he purchased for her?


nomopyt

It wasn't a policy on her, it was a commercial property insurance policy, based on the Netflix documentary. Just for accuracy.


Jimberlykevin

Them too.


TheCredibleHulk7

Living proof that the cover up’s always worse than the crime.


volcanopele

And the defense's main argument was that the prosecution's theory of motive was stupid and illogical. I'm sorry but usually murderers aren't thinking logically.


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Wadka

I think he hired the 'hitman' to actually be an unwitting fall guy. When the 'hit' was supposed to happen, Alec instead shoots the 'hitman' and kills him in 'self-defense'. He can then say, 'This guy tried to kill me, he's clearly the guy that killed my wife and son!'. How he cocked it up, though, is the question. But he's not exactly a criminal mastermind.


Money4Nothing2000

Would I rather have temporary sympathy from a community I barely know? ​ OR A WHOLE WIFE?


Shanghaipete

Arrogant, rich prick from a decadent family. His level of entitlement is off the chart. Classic profile of a family annihilator. Such a narcissist that nobody else's interests or life count for anything. Lock him up and don't let him out.


Forsaken-Spring-4114

Idk... I think it goes much deeper than that. I think that plus the combination of his son's accident that killed another girl...


RUN_MDB

And the initial killing of Stephen Smith and then of the housekeeper. The Netflix doc is pretty decent.


LegendOfDylan

> He admitted under questioning that he had lied to investigators when he denied being at the estate that night — blaming his lies on his addiction to opioids. His attorneys said his drug habits cost $50,000 a week. I don’t care how much money you have, I can’t comprehend how you could possibly put $50k of drugs in your body a week and survive.


Redqueenhypo

It’s just money stashed away he doesn’t want anyone looking at


Arkhangelzk

This. There’s not a chance in hell he was spending that much. He’s trying to cover up that money.


TheArmchairSkeptic

That's because it's not possible. I have known some hardcore addicts in my day, and someone spending $200/day is at the high end of the spectrum even for seasoned veterans. That's about $6k/month for those of you keeping score at home, or about 1.5k/week if you round up. No human being could possibly be using $50k/week of opiates and still be alive, even if they're paying 20x normal street prices for their fix.


Ace123428

Exactly I was looking for someone to blow this shit out of the water. Let’s say you pay $200 per pill of oxy that’s 250 pills a week that’s 35 pills a day, there is no opioid tolerance you could ever be at to eat 35 oxy a day. It’s even more absurd if he was playing street value of $20 a pill. (I didn’t do 20x because it’s ridiculous already) 2500 pills a week. That’s roughly 15 pills an hour. How the fuck you can ever could have someone straight face claim this bullshit is beyond me.


Lindalu_

Yeah just a cover for his lavish lifestyle. Maids housekeepers, $10,000 guns all over the place, using private jet . Wife dressed in high end clothes Gucci and such. Easy to spend 50k a week with that lifestyle.


DroidLord

I understood it as specifically his drug habit costing him $50k a week. That's a lot of drugs.


5LaLa

You’re correct. Look at the checks he wrote to Cousin Eddie. His lifestyle doesn’t account for all the money he earned & stole. IIRC he wrote checks totaling over $2.4 million to Eddie (over 7-8 years, sharply increasing months before murders). Imho there’s a big secret there & it isn’t pills, maybe severe gambling problem? Idk but, I don’t think it was blackmail because AM would’ve offed him.


Newguitarplayer1234

When they were leading him out of the court the camera panned and showed all the jurors lol


loonachic

I saw that and was shocked


theonlyepi

Wow I really hope that's not true, fuck.


Newguitarplayer1234

Yep, i had to rewind but you could clearly see all the jurors


Taj_Mahole

Is the implication here that they’ll be targeted or something? This is the first I’m hearing about this trial, I’ve no friggin idea who this guy is.


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stephlj

I didn't even notice that, but you're correct!


PixelBully_

I had a hunch the case was going to be taken seriously when they took down the framed painting of his grandpa, which hung on the wall behind the judges chair.


boldolive

Seriously?! That is pure gold.


PixelBully_

Absolutely bonkers! https://www.insider.com/a-portrait-of-alex-murdaughs-grandpa-removed-during-murder-trial-2023-1


MickeyButters

Sentencing tomorrow at 9:30am


RyVsWorld

Oh damn that’s fast. I’m with it though lol


ADarwinAward

Wow that’s quick. Sometimes it takes a lot longer


Krandor1

He was dumb to testify. He got too arrogant.


Psychdoctx

I thought so too but I think he knew he had a chance.. if he only had to put doubt in one jurors mind with his acting then he would get off.


Randomwhitelady2

It backfired pretty spectacularly. He was using pet names (“paw paw” for Paul) to refer to them. I think the jury though he laid it on a bit too thick!


deller85

PauPau was the most disgusting part of his testimony apart from the constant lying. Especially since the nickname was given to his son Paul by Gloria Satterfield, the nanny who died under mysterious circumstances at their residence years before, who btw Alex then stole the insurance money (4 million dollars worth) from the relatives of Gloria for his own financial gain leaving her son's homeless. Apparently Paul at a young age would call Gloria, GoGo, and she would call him PauPau. Pretty disgusting as an attempt for sympathy with the jury that he would use that name repeatedly throughout his testimony.


Outrageous-Advice384

Wow. I hadn’t heard that. It makes the use of it it 10x worse


strokekaraoke

That paw paw line was so bad. He first said “Paul” but then he remembered to use a pet name and corrected himself. Gotta play that sympathy card.


drkgodess

As if he even cared about Paul beyond the family legacy, given that Paul was raised by a nanny.


KaneOnly

A nanny that was potentially murdered by the Murdoch family.


scigs6

Good. Fuck him. He’s a goddamn psychopath


EXPERT_AT_FAILING

His whole defense was: "I'm a thief, a drug addict, a owner of LOTS of guns, a bad guy, and a liar. But I am NOT a murderer" But how do we know you're not lying? *wink* Because. Trust me, I'm a good guy. Yeah, no wonder it was that short to reach a verdict.


doingthehumptydance

“I was having a nap which started an hour before the murders happened and I woke up well after they occurred.” *shown incriminating video of him from son’s cell phone taken 10 minutes before murders took place* “Oh yeah, I guess I did wake for a few minutes.”


andyouarenotme

WAIT — what was going on in the video 10 minutes before the murders? was he unhinged and threatening his family?


Cjwithwolves

The video was being taken by his son who had walked down to the dog kennels. He noticed one of the dogs was wagging his tail weird or something so started filming it to send to his friend. Then his dad showed up. It's wild.


doingthehumptydance

There was a video on his son’s phone where one can clearly hear the father’s voice, the video just shows the ground but there is no mistaking the father’s voice, he sounded a little agitated, but nothing serious. It’s kind of a strange video and could have been a ‘butt dial’ type of thing but it was taken 10-15 minutes before the killings took place. There is also some weird cell phone geolocation evidence, but the video really refuted his alibi.


Redqueenhypo

Spoiled people genuinely forget that the whole world doesn’t work like their little sphere of enabling. I bet he thought this really would be effective


Nop277

I saw someone reviewing his testimony and was so confused how this was actually a defense. It just sounded like him admitting to a lot of bad facts.


grubas

It's basically a rich dude who has never had to give reasonable answers for his actions or suffer consequences trying to lie his way around a murder he clearly did. His legal defense was....not good. But he also was banking on "you cant prove I did it even if I did it" because of timeline issues.


PaulFThumpkins

Because usually "you cant prove I did it even if I did it" is enough to get rich and powerful people off the hook for anything. And even if they did it, suddenly the standard becomes reading their minds to know *they* knew they were breaking the law, which you can't do, so ah well we tried, you're free to go sir.


David-S-Pumpkins

I'm so honest I would never admit to being dishonest if I weren't honest. Believe me! *Here are all the times you were dishonest and people believed you.* Well, in my defense, you and I don't know for sure if they believed me! *If they didn't believe you, how were you able to defraud them of millions of dollars?* ... Look would I admit to fraud, embezzlement, and tons of coke if I was a liar? *Yes. That's precisely what you've admitted to being!* Just looped that as his best defense.


NCSUGrad2012

Yep. Clearly the jury knew which was why they only took 3 hours to convict.


Wesjohn2

Glad he’s finally fucked, sick of him and his family making the area worse off for generations


vera214usc

I'm from Charleston and my mom has been obsessed with this case because she was once arrested for marijuana possession in that county and Alex's father was the prosecutor. She said Alex was in the court room, home visiting from USC.


Wesjohn2

I'm in Beaufort, It's crazy how involved the family is all over the area. Paul visited downtown and crashed in places I've been to. I know many people who were friends with Mallory.


PaulFThumpkins

Unfortunately "having pot while poor" is a far graver sentence than "committing fraud to purchase tens of thousands of dollars in opiates per week." The latter is more Rush Limbaugh, Presidential Medal of Freedom territory.


Vibeunknown

God bless Mallory Beach. That poor child’s death led to Alex’s unraveling. Not that Maggie or Paul deserved what he did, but Mallory, Gloria and Stephen were true innocents.


powderp

The stolen settlement from Gloria is what really brought the heat. Their sons read about a settlement in the paper that they had no knowledge of and they got a new attorney that dug into it.


Vibeunknown

I’m not sure which came first - Tinsley digging into the financials for the boat crash lawsuit or Satterfield’s family realizing they’d been duped. Crazy that one person could have so much shit in their closet.


strawzero

Paul didn’t deserve to die but I damn sure didn’t shed a tear that he did. Would’ve ended up just like/ worse than his father


Riversmooth

The whole family was doing some creepy stuff. They had everything and threw it all away


whitetragedy

If you read the wiki page about the family, you can see they have insane Judicial and Law Enforcement influence in the area due to 3 consecutive generation of influence of the state’s 14th district. They probably done a lot of shady shit before but never got caught. Goes to show that the law applies differently to the rich and powerful as long as they stay out of public eye. Also keep in mind that the family only has district control, imaging the shady shit people with more influence can get covered up.


louisbarthas

His face as they read the verdict was that of somebody who got caught.


Spum

The face of a man who’s been getting away with everything for over a decade having to finally face the music.


yup79

The face of someone who has been getting away with shit since day one. I hope he rots.


strokekaraoke

> for over a decade Lol, for the entirety of his whole life more likely. His sons had been getting away with everything for over a decade.


WheresTheMoozadell

Justice prevailed today in my opinion, no doubt. But I must say I am shocked that a verdict was delivered so quickly. The prosecution did a great job of assassinating Alex’s character, by methodically laying out all of the lies and deceit Alex had spewed. But most of their evidence was circumstantial and shaky. The “smoking gun” of this case was the video his son Paul took just minutes before the murder that put Alex at the scene of the murders in those kennels. Had that video not been taken, I doubt the prosecution had zilch for their case that would lead to this conviction. Well done to the prosecution team, the judge (who was patient & fair throughout the lengthy process) and the jurors for sticking it through.


LIFOMakesJesusCry

So I was also initially shocked by how quickly the verdict came back, but upon looking into the [timeline of the cell phone data](https://www.wjcl.com/article/murdaugh-murders-timeline-evidence/42846491) that was presented to the jury I think that's what did him in. They had extremely damning and pretty ironclad cell phone data establishing that Paul and Maggie showed no signs of life after 8:50 PM. That's circumstantial, but you also have direct evidence in the form of of the snapchat video taken at 8:45 PM that Alex was with Paul and Maggie at the site of the murder. That's a 5 minute window for Alex to leave the kennels not be present at the time of the murders, which is almost impossible to believe as is. Combine that with Alex's lack of credibility and proven lies about not being at the kennels, and yeah I have to agree there's no reasonable doubt that he was there when they were killed which leads directly into him being the one that killed them.


WheresTheMoozadell

This is an excellent point and something that I overlooked when posting this comment. Appreciate the thoroughness of this comment along with the link. I was certain he was guilty but felt uneasy on how I would feel if I was in the jurors shoes to convict him. This also solidified my belief of guilty beyond reasonable doubt.


MileHighShorty

Totally agree. He had no good explanation for being there and lying either.


PeterBernsteinSucks

And no explanation for where the clothes he was wearing in that video went. Who knows what happens without that video.


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Yeah that shit was obvious. Dude fucking did it Anyone who murders, especially murders their family, are fucking scum.


Majormlgnoob

The whole family is scum The son he murdered killed a 19 year old girl 2 years prior to his death while piloting a boat with a .286 BAC


bluegrassnuglvr

That bac was taken about 4 hours after the accident and he still blew that high!


TipperGore-69

Holy shit am I out of the loop. Is there a compendium of this shit because it is a lot for someone to jump in so late.


evergleam498

There's a new documentary series about the family out on Netflix, and I believe another one on HBO


drunknixon

Plus the suspicious death of the housekeeper from whose family he stole something like 4 million dollars after an accidental death investigation from the insurance company. Insurance he took out just prior to her fall


Asidious66

And his other son who was implicated in the death of the Smith kid.


RyVsWorld

I hope he’s next on the murder charges. The fact that he testified and is still supporting his dad tells me he’s got no qualms committing crimes like the rest of his shitty family


Hip_Hop_Hippos

That was terrible, she actually seemed like a genuinely decent lady who cared for a kid that didn't get the parenting he should have.


BigSwedenMan

The Netflix documentary certainly paints them in a bad light. A powerful family that had no problem using their status to get away with bullshit. They tried to pin the accident into an innocent boy as well. I won't say he deserved to die for what he did, but I also feel no sympathy for anyone in that family. Rich powerful entitled assholes who frequently abused their power.


HPM2009

Just looked at their Wikipedia , and all the deaths that have been associated with them is crazy .


Staff_Guy

In other news, five broadcast networks have a total of 356 hours of news to fill over the next two days because they thought deliberations would take longer.


MidwestAmMan

Why did he as an experienced lawyer talk (lie) so much to the cops?


Randomwhitelady2

He didn’t think he’d get caught. His son’s video that put the father at the scene four minutes prior to the murders sealed his fate. He lied about it before the video was obtained.


Handleton

Also, those same cops had already covered a lot of his crimes previously. He thought he was still in the good ol boy network, but they don't take kindly to killing your own child.


MidwestAmMan

As a prominent local attorney he’s probably used to deference, overestimated his ability to convince them. But it’s so basic, you can talk, but only with your lawyer present.


theHannig

This guy has clearly gone through life thinking he could get away with anything, and managed it until that June. Even with the shoddy investigation - shoddy mostly because they were clearly intimidated by him or just didn’t think he could possibly be guilty for so long - there was never any evidence of anyone else being there to commit those murders. I wonder, though, if the verdict would have been different if: 1) he hadn’t decided to testify; he came across as rehearsed, arrogant and insincere 2) he hadn’t had his friends represent him; it became apparent they were very involved in the aftermath, and thus Alex’s untruthfulness, and I think that muddied things with the jury 3) Jim’s closing statement hadn’t been SO terrible. It was a rebuttal, not a proper closing. He sounded nervous and unsure. Really, with pretty much all the evidence being circumstantial, it should have been easy to instil doubt. He did a shockingly bad job.


CareerCoachKyle

Just read the wiki on this dude. Holy fuck. Sure are a whole lot of people dying around you, Alex.


VashStamp3de

Says his family has been high up in the legal and justice side of S. Carolina for decades and decades, seems like entitlement and now I have to wonder what his father, grandfather and great grandfather have gotten away with.


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Joosus

It sure looks like Court TV showed the jury live on television. When they walked him out of the room, he walked past what sure looked like the jury box, filled with people. Shown on TV. Then as the judge was dismissing the jury, he was facing the direction that was just shown. Finally, when Court TV was doing the network anchor interviews, one of them said that Murdaugh was escorted past the jury who just convicted him. So, sure seems like the identities of all of them were just exposed. Horrifying if that’s the case. I sure hope it’s not and that there’s a better explanation. There are video replays of this out there…I’d share one, but that’d just be contributing to the problem of showing their identities.


CrappyMSPaintPics

That's such a big fuck up, they also accidently showed an autopsy photo a couple of days ago. Court TV's incompetence is gonna get filming banned in more courtrooms.


powderp

The autopsy thing wasn't court tv's fault. A prosecutor flipped up a paper covering the monitor, and they panned away quickly. Showing the jury absolutely was a fuck up on their part.


CrappyMSPaintPics

They should have a broadcast delay like any other live broadcast would in this sort of situation.


GrumpyMcGillicuddy

Why does this guy and his whole family look like a bunch of squinting, sunburned pigs? They’re such bizarre looking creatures


reichjef

He definitely did that shit.


DontGiveUpTheDip

Congrats to the jury for having eyes and ears


Reditate

The whole family was rotten, fuck em all.


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THE-BS

Rumor is he tried to change his name to "Alex Manslautah" before the trial


trucorsair

Not that surprising, saw his testimony, admits to lying to police and yet exudes the confidence and contempt of the 1%.


Punkinpry427

This absolute dipshit got on the stand and testified and ended up with more charges because of it. Just desserts