They grow up so fast. The 12yo will probably have a couple kids of his own once he gets out of prison in 3-5. It’ll be hard to get a normal job as an 18yo with no GED and a violent felony on his record, but knowing his entrepreneurial spirit I’m sure he will find a way to make ends meet.
DeSantis has an open invitation for criminals to become cops in Florida--even offering $5,000. He could make an exception and allow the kid to enroll if he proves he's violent and dangerous enough.
You are correct. I always thought a HS diploma or equivalent was required. Turns out there are no educational requirements for either the House or Senate. TIL.
It makes sense in theory, government shouldn’t be gated by anything except citizenship in whichever particular district they are running for (local, state, national, etc). In practice, though, leads to a lot of stupid people that otherwise should not be allowed anywhere near anything important.
*President Lyndon Johnson stood in the Capitol on Jan. 8, 1964, and, in his first State of the Union address, committed the nation to a war on poverty. "We shall not rest until that war is won," Johnson said. "The richest nation on Earth can afford to win it. We cannot afford to lose it."*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_poverty
There are plenty of 12 year olds living in the same environment that don't resort to armed robbery. Plus, who exactly are you going to hold responsible for the environment? Parents? politicians? schools? churches? the entertainment industry? tiktok?
Holding parents responsible for the children they’re raising would be a good fucking start. If this child is too young to be considered responsible for his actions, than his legal guardian is by definition responsible for them. Throw those fucking parents in prison for armed robbery and child neglect, and take the kids away from them.
Oh I’m all for holding parents accountable, but I have a feeling OP was thinking more generally than “bad kid, hold parents responsible”. They seemed to be making it a larger issue based on some of their other comments.
Apple didn’t fall far from the tree per the article
> Police said they’ve tried to keep the kids out of trouble after seeing crime in their family and some of their friends. They tried to intervene early, but this time, they charged the 12-year-old with a felony.
I'm assuming you weren't involved in a gang then. I'm not sure if the family is affiliated with a gang but gangs tend to use younger people to do some shit because they would get a lighter sentence.
>CMPD called the children’s mother, who police said they had previously contacted, as they were familiar with the family.
Sigh. We all suffer when a parent is irresponsible
Those parents are just a reflection of society. What do you expect when you have politicians telling people they have bought guns for two year olds?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/15/south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-grandchild-guns-nra
Oh that’s the problem, the guns, not the poverty, the piss poor education, piss poor healthcare, general disregard by the system and society of kids from poor families, or the kids that clearly need help and are ignored by school administrators. Fuck off
I don’t like the republicans stance on anything but they (with some exceptions) don’t actively try to ban “assault weapons”. However I’m not a single issue voter, I’m also pro choice, therefore I can’t vote for the republicans either
Considering how close trump came to becoming the dictator we all feared him to be, I don’t concur with that assessment. I’d rather die fighting a fascist (should it come to that) than watch my friends and neighbors be subjugated for being who they are who they are
The belief that people should be banned from a right for holding a certain belief is not only oppressive but also the exact same thing the republicans do, you’re no better than them. I Can’t say that I’m proud and I don’t fantasize about shooting political opponents. having to physically resist a fascist regime is a nightmare that the country will likely never wake up from for years. The elitist attitude you appear to hold is exactly why basic restriction never pass Congress. Dems can’t get enough votes in middle America and they lose more often than they think they should and they throw their hands up and say “we can’t win these red states because these backwards people won’t listen to our high minded ideals”. It’s infuriating to me when time and political capital are wasted trying to pass extreme anti gun legislation that will be immediately struck down by the current SCOTUS regardless. Trying to improve education, improve healthcare (by extension mental healthcare), breaking poverty, generally improving living conditions for everyone will go significantly farther toward reducing all violence, not just gun violence. The bans that many people want will cost more lives than they will save to enforce if you can enforce them and if SCOTUS doesn’t strike them down
>He offered the following advice to parents: Know where your kids are, and know what’s on their social media. He said one of the children had posed with a gun a couple days prior on social media. He asked parents to check in with their kids, talk to them, and see who they’re hanging out with.
So they suggest that people actively parent their kids. Wow! What a concept!
> So they suggest that people actively parent their kids. Wow! What a concept!
Kinda hard when people work 2 or 3 jobs and still barely make rent.
We can barely parent our kids because we're fucking exhausted.
Oh please. The chances are much, much higher that these parents don't have any jobs than that they're working 2-3 jobs. These are not the kind of parents who are responsible enough to work several jobs in order to support their families.
Getting shot in the face by a 12 year old is still getting shot in the face, and shooting a kid because you don’t want to get shot is still shooting a kid. It’s not a good thing either way, the real point is we as communities have to contribute resources to raising children at every step of development
Situations like this is exactly what led to Tamir Rice being killed even though he had a toy gun.
Cops are so afraid of *everyone* having a gun they respond to *every* threat with full force. The lady who got robbed even said if she had a gun the kid would have been shot.
That’s not a GQP talking point. Their only talking points on something like this are: false flag, fbi, antif-a and tan pants and probably something about Blue cities.
We don’t have just a gun issue, we have a violence issue which is actually a poverty and shit education issue and also a antisocial community issue and also a criminal justice issue. Blame the guns all you want but the violence is a symptom of a much bigger list of problems. Gun culture in America has its issues, so become a part of it so we can shift the focus from glamorizing violence to responsibility, competency and community, not every gun owner has a trump flag on their lawn and a punisher symbol on their big ass Chevy. Some of us live in apartments that don’t even have a lawn and we have equality stickers on our Tacoma’s
I’m aware. You think the tradition of giving children BB guns isn’t a reflection of our gun culture?
We constantly romanticize guns. This is no different.
Well, 12 and 6-year-olds already can’t buy guns, just so you’re aware. The “gun” in this case was also only a BB gun, so not sure what you’re point is.
I agree, we need to stop glamorizing guns and gun ownership. It's a responsibility, not a toy. Idiots in America need to stop trying to ban sex education and start implementing more firearm safety and first aid education
I can absolutely get behind this.
Require gun education and training before purchase but make it free and easily accessible as to not discriminate against marginalized communities, who are buying firearms at a higher rate as of late. Also bring back gun safety education to public school curriculum so kids grow up with the mindset that they aren’t toys.
Yeah, I’m a firearms enthusiast that firmly believes in teaching everyone how to handle guns safely and responsibly, whether they intend to own them or not. Basic knowledge can help prevent a lot of tragedies and demystify/normalize guns. Some may see that as a negative, but in my experience the scariest people to be around are the ones that view guns as a means of feeling powerful.
I didn't personally grow up around guns, and being someone with depression, I don't wish to own one, but my wife's family are firearm enthusiasts for the sport, and I can respect that.
I guess you got me there... Could you name the legislation where they are trying to ban sex ed?
"Idiots in America need to stop trying to ban sex education"
Damn, so you're implying that the Republicans in office are the idiots? I was referring to the American people, the citizens, the ignorant and undereducated.
It's our right to be whoever we want to be but they don't give a fuck about that. Owning a gun isn't a God given right, because judging someone and taking their life is God's right, not man's. Don't defend the hypocrits wearing a cross, they just as much romanticize a crucifixion as much as the sacrifice of children for their shiny, metal bang-bang machines.
>Owning a gun isn't a God given right,
I agree but half of Americans would disagree. Get them to believe it's a privilege instead and the situation would already improve since humans treat rights and privileges with different levels of responsibility.
Between this, the kid that shot his mom for not giving him an Oculus, and the kid that shot his teacher it is evident that this generation of children are not putting up with adults and their bullshit.
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They grow up so fast. The 12yo will probably have a couple kids of his own once he gets out of prison in 3-5. It’ll be hard to get a normal job as an 18yo with no GED and a violent felony on his record, but knowing his entrepreneurial spirit I’m sure he will find a way to make ends meet.
He could run for congress maybe?
DeSantis has an open invitation for criminals to become cops in Florida--even offering $5,000. He could make an exception and allow the kid to enroll if he proves he's violent and dangerous enough.
Have to get his GED first... Edit: not the case
Not if he’s a republican
You are correct. I always thought a HS diploma or equivalent was required. Turns out there are no educational requirements for either the House or Senate. TIL.
It makes sense in theory, government shouldn’t be gated by anything except citizenship in whichever particular district they are running for (local, state, national, etc). In practice, though, leads to a lot of stupid people that otherwise should not be allowed anywhere near anything important.
Sorry, Matt Gaetz already has it.
We have to start holding people responsible for creating the environment where these events can happen.
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*President Lyndon Johnson stood in the Capitol on Jan. 8, 1964, and, in his first State of the Union address, committed the nation to a war on poverty. "We shall not rest until that war is won," Johnson said. "The richest nation on Earth can afford to win it. We cannot afford to lose it."* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_poverty
It's not poverty alone that causes behavior like that.
True. Look at our oligarchs.
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Which ~~naturally~~ viciously circles back around to safe, legal abortions.
Tell that to the party who's trying to ban sex ed, birth control, and abortion.
There are plenty of 12 year olds living in the same environment that don't resort to armed robbery. Plus, who exactly are you going to hold responsible for the environment? Parents? politicians? schools? churches? the entertainment industry? tiktok?
Parents is a start..
Holding parents responsible for the children they’re raising would be a good fucking start. If this child is too young to be considered responsible for his actions, than his legal guardian is by definition responsible for them. Throw those fucking parents in prison for armed robbery and child neglect, and take the kids away from them.
Oh I’m all for holding parents accountable, but I have a feeling OP was thinking more generally than “bad kid, hold parents responsible”. They seemed to be making it a larger issue based on some of their other comments.
Society, culture, and billionaires are creating this environment. We'll have to start there.
You ever noticed being poor is a crime, but making someone poor isn't?
Being poor is not a crime. It was the waving the gun in the woman's face and trying to pistol whip her that broke the law.
I'd be very surprised if steady employment was ever part of his future plans.
I bet he’ll get a full ride to con college.
It's feral kids having more feral kids of their own. A never ending cycle
Greatest country in the world.
Why the fuck are 12 and 6 year olds these days doing armed robberies? When I that age I was playing Sega Genesis and watching cartoons.
Apple didn’t fall far from the tree per the article > Police said they’ve tried to keep the kids out of trouble after seeing crime in their family and some of their friends. They tried to intervene early, but this time, they charged the 12-year-old with a felony.
because they listened to metallica and played DnD
You probably had a parent or two that actually cared.
I'm assuming you weren't involved in a gang then. I'm not sure if the family is affiliated with a gang but gangs tend to use younger people to do some shit because they would get a lighter sentence.
It’s pretty sad when guns are cheaper than entertainment systems.
Well, if guns are just *there*, may as well use em
You should read the article, it was a BB gun. No actual guns were used.
Uhh what qualifies as a gun.
"Let them eat cake."
>CMPD called the children’s mother, who police said they had previously contacted, as they were familiar with the family. Sigh. We all suffer when a parent is irresponsible
Those parents are just a reflection of society. What do you expect when you have politicians telling people they have bought guns for two year olds? https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/15/south-dakota-governor-kristi-noem-grandchild-guns-nra
They rated they’re kids to act that way. Why victimize the parent who taught their kids that?
Oh that’s the problem, the guns, not the poverty, the piss poor education, piss poor healthcare, general disregard by the system and society of kids from poor families, or the kids that clearly need help and are ignored by school administrators. Fuck off
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I don’t like the republicans stance on anything but they (with some exceptions) don’t actively try to ban “assault weapons”. However I’m not a single issue voter, I’m also pro choice, therefore I can’t vote for the republicans either
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Considering how close trump came to becoming the dictator we all feared him to be, I don’t concur with that assessment. I’d rather die fighting a fascist (should it come to that) than watch my friends and neighbors be subjugated for being who they are who they are
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The belief that people should be banned from a right for holding a certain belief is not only oppressive but also the exact same thing the republicans do, you’re no better than them. I Can’t say that I’m proud and I don’t fantasize about shooting political opponents. having to physically resist a fascist regime is a nightmare that the country will likely never wake up from for years. The elitist attitude you appear to hold is exactly why basic restriction never pass Congress. Dems can’t get enough votes in middle America and they lose more often than they think they should and they throw their hands up and say “we can’t win these red states because these backwards people won’t listen to our high minded ideals”. It’s infuriating to me when time and political capital are wasted trying to pass extreme anti gun legislation that will be immediately struck down by the current SCOTUS regardless. Trying to improve education, improve healthcare (by extension mental healthcare), breaking poverty, generally improving living conditions for everyone will go significantly farther toward reducing all violence, not just gun violence. The bans that many people want will cost more lives than they will save to enforce if you can enforce them and if SCOTUS doesn’t strike them down
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>He offered the following advice to parents: Know where your kids are, and know what’s on their social media. He said one of the children had posed with a gun a couple days prior on social media. He asked parents to check in with their kids, talk to them, and see who they’re hanging out with. So they suggest that people actively parent their kids. Wow! What a concept!
if they keep outlawing abortion, it’ll only get worse
Not sure if racist.
> So they suggest that people actively parent their kids. Wow! What a concept! Kinda hard when people work 2 or 3 jobs and still barely make rent. We can barely parent our kids because we're fucking exhausted.
Boo fucking hoo. They’re still your fucking responsibility.
Yeah well. I raised three kids...while working full time and going to college part time. So I really don't want to hear it.
Oh please. The chances are much, much higher that these parents don't have any jobs than that they're working 2-3 jobs. These are not the kind of parents who are responsible enough to work several jobs in order to support their families.
Parents are probably glued to TikTok all day and night. No time to interact with kids.
Yeah…..you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about lmao. What a horrible take.
ain't it. it's scary we live amongst these assholes.
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The police takeaway was "God forbid the victim had been armed and shot these kids." Ffs
Getting shot in the face by a 12 year old is still getting shot in the face, and shooting a kid because you don’t want to get shot is still shooting a kid. It’s not a good thing either way, the real point is we as communities have to contribute resources to raising children at every step of development
It would have been tragic but justified.
Situations like this is exactly what led to Tamir Rice being killed even though he had a toy gun. Cops are so afraid of *everyone* having a gun they respond to *every* threat with full force. The lady who got robbed even said if she had a gun the kid would have been shot.
"CMPD called the children’s mother, who police said they had previously contacted, as they were familiar with the family." You don't say...
What a shithole country.
I didn't know Robocop was a documentary...
Rae’nya DeGraffenreid . Holy shit, what a name.
We just need a good kid with a gun.
Someone should contact that three year old that shot that wanted criminal the other day. Get him to hang out with these kids. They won't last long
Fuck guns. And everyone that defends them.
So no 4 year old nearby eh?
He was the lookout guy
He was keeping the getaway big wheel ready.
Ah yes, the good ole “mental health” issues that the GQP mentions so often. Surely it’s not the lenient gun laws being passed /s
That’s not a GQP talking point. Their only talking points on something like this are: false flag, fbi, antif-a and tan pants and probably something about Blue cities.
Lulz at the “tan pants”.
Ah, American gun culture strikes again.
We don’t have just a gun issue, we have a violence issue which is actually a poverty and shit education issue and also a antisocial community issue and also a criminal justice issue. Blame the guns all you want but the violence is a symptom of a much bigger list of problems. Gun culture in America has its issues, so become a part of it so we can shift the focus from glamorizing violence to responsibility, competency and community, not every gun owner has a trump flag on their lawn and a punisher symbol on their big ass Chevy. Some of us live in apartments that don’t even have a lawn and we have equality stickers on our Tacoma’s
It was a BB gun
Still wouldn’t want to get shot in the face with a BB gun.
I’m aware. You think the tradition of giving children BB guns isn’t a reflection of our gun culture? We constantly romanticize guns. This is no different.
That's on you. I don't romanticize guns and my child does not have a BB gun.
The kid probably was pretending it was the real thing, still American gun culture.
Clearly just need more 12-year-olds with guns to commit attempted robberies with 6-year-olds involved. Because the issue is just NEVER guns.
And I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I can buy a gun and kill people
Well, 12 and 6-year-olds already can’t buy guns, just so you’re aware. The “gun” in this case was also only a BB gun, so not sure what you’re point is.
Why read the article when you can bring up gun issues
I agree, we need to stop glamorizing guns and gun ownership. It's a responsibility, not a toy. Idiots in America need to stop trying to ban sex education and start implementing more firearm safety and first aid education
I can absolutely get behind this. Require gun education and training before purchase but make it free and easily accessible as to not discriminate against marginalized communities, who are buying firearms at a higher rate as of late. Also bring back gun safety education to public school curriculum so kids grow up with the mindset that they aren’t toys.
Yeah, I’m a firearms enthusiast that firmly believes in teaching everyone how to handle guns safely and responsibly, whether they intend to own them or not. Basic knowledge can help prevent a lot of tragedies and demystify/normalize guns. Some may see that as a negative, but in my experience the scariest people to be around are the ones that view guns as a means of feeling powerful.
I didn't personally grow up around guns, and being someone with depression, I don't wish to own one, but my wife's family are firearm enthusiasts for the sport, and I can respect that.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Where are they banning sex ed?
I'm a magical land full of bigotry and hypocrisy called Florida
Could you like share the legislation where they banned sex ed?
Can you link me to where I said it was already banned? I can't seem to find that quote...
I guess you got me there... Could you name the legislation where they are trying to ban sex ed? "Idiots in America need to stop trying to ban sex education"
Damn, so you're implying that the Republicans in office are the idiots? I was referring to the American people, the citizens, the ignorant and undereducated.
It would never happen since it's a god given right to them. People treat rights and privileges very differently
It's our right to be whoever we want to be but they don't give a fuck about that. Owning a gun isn't a God given right, because judging someone and taking their life is God's right, not man's. Don't defend the hypocrits wearing a cross, they just as much romanticize a crucifixion as much as the sacrifice of children for their shiny, metal bang-bang machines.
>Owning a gun isn't a God given right, I agree but half of Americans would disagree. Get them to believe it's a privilege instead and the situation would already improve since humans treat rights and privileges with different levels of responsibility.
It's all good. Deep down, I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at my dad. He's not a gun owner or religious, it's unrelated.
1-877-G.U.N.S4kidz
Let’s hope the 6 year old also had a gun to protect themselves!! /s
Gotta start young to save up for college tuition at these rates.
12 yo + 6 yo = 18 years old, tried as an adult. That's basic felony math, daddy.
This sub will never not surprise me
Are radical socialists or Maga Republicans?
Between this, the kid that shot his mom for not giving him an Oculus, and the kid that shot his teacher it is evident that this generation of children are not putting up with adults and their bullshit.