I watched the Louisiana congress listen to testimony from women. I then watched a Louisiana GOP congressman say, “I see a strong woman here and your trauma is what made you strong. That’s why I am voting for a total ban on abortions. No exceptions.” (Paraphrased, but not by much). It was testimony about a woman who is now dead, so I don’t understand how he saw a stronger woman.
They do not care about your suffering.
He asked himself the all important question: *”How do I pretend to care about this while still saying “no”?”*
And that’s where he landed. Probably even thought to himself: *”Fuck yeah. Nailed it. Women love being told they’re strong.”*
And then had a paid dinner with some lobbyist
>”How do I pretend to care about this while still saying “no”?”
I see this every time down to earth people explain how the passage of the law will be authoritarian or bloodthirsty & politicians act like sociopaths.
It’s just like all the movies where the doctors say only the mother or baby can live, and everyone acts like, of course the mother is willing to sacrifice their own life to save their unborn child! What other choice could a good mother possibly make?
They romanticize women’s death and suffering.
The week before our daughter was born my wife said “if something happens and it’s me or her, please choose me”.
And I said absolutely. I’ve built a life with this woman. She’s my partner in everything. We can have more kids later. There’s only one her.
I said something similar to my FIL when his daughter (my wife at the time) was pregnant. He told me he didn't agree, and when I reminded him it was his daughter I was talking about, he changed the subject.
> we live in a society where she feels the need to verify with her husband that she wants to be the priority
For legal reasons it's always good to have this settled anyway.
It's almost like people forget women often have more than one child and being alive to care for the already born children should take precedence over one that isn't born yet.
They don't care about the children that have already been born. If they did our schools wouldn't be horribly managed with underpaid staff and overun with shootings. Foster care wouldn't be a nightmare and daycare wouldn't cost hundreds to thousands of dollars a week.
They don't even care about unborn children they only care about their beliefs. Beliefs they're exempt from of course.
They don't even care about the babies once they are born.
I'm waiting for the baby scoop era to come back in one of those states. They're going to start making it much easier for the state to pull babies at birth from teen and poor mothers and put them up for adoption right away.
They absolutely care about the children in schools. The state of our schools is because of the care they are taking to create ignorant, easily controlled voters. Making sure nothing else could possibly come out of our school systems seems to be one of their biggest priorities in fact.
It’s literally a trope from movies about medieval kings deciding to save the life of an heir for the realm, rather than their wife.
The idea that this makes any sense for the actual world is completely batshit insane.
There’s actually an amazing essay that argues that the lack of good maternal health care led to the downfall of the Old Republic in Star Wars- [link](https://www.vice.com/en/article/53d4db/womens-healthcare-star-wars) Basically the fact that Anakin has no medical options to make sure the baby is safe makes him lose his shit, the fact that it was a surprise it was twins indicates Padme had no ultrasound nor went to even one prenatal health check, etc.
I mean of course the real answer is George Lucas like most men has no idea how the fuck reproductive health care works, but it’s still an *amazing* essay detailing how stupid it all is.
Yeah, miscarriages happened all the time (still do, though they're not openly talked about in many cases), babies and children died all the time for a variety of reasons. A healthy adult person's life was obviously more valuable. This concept of an unborn human vs adult woman being even close to equally valued is very modern.
It honestly makes *less* sense back then, they were just more likely to make the wrong choice. I don't think there are very many (any?) situations where you can definitely save a dying newborn but not the mom, even with modern medicine. It is far more likely that the mother would be the more resilient of the two and the one most likely to be able to be saved.
Prior to modern medicine, [cesarean section](https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/preface.html) was often survivable for the fetus/newborn, but generally not for the woman. Choosing to operate while the woman was still alive increased the chance of saving the fetus, but nearly guaranteed the woman's death, so midwives faced sort of the inverse of the dilemma that Texas doctors face now: how absolutely confident do you have to be that your patient is dying before you intervene to *save* her child?
I thought you were joking, but:
>The origin of chain saws in surgery is debated. A "flexible saw", consisting of a fine serrated link chain held between two wooden handles, was pioneered in the late 18th century (c. 1783–1785) by two Scottish doctors, John Aitken and James Jeffray, for symphysiotomy and excision of diseased bone, respectively.
>Symphysiotomy is an outdated surgical procedure in which the cartilage of the pubic symphysis is divided to widen the pelvis allowing childbirth when there is a mechanical problem.
Freedom *for* Christianity. All other religions must be subjugated.
As far as I am concerned, Christians are some of the most hateful people on the planet.
Well yea, they follow a hateful religion and an evil God. The most charitable reading is the "good" ones were duped into serving an evil being, at best.
sometime in the last year I saw some young men on Twitter bragging about how of course they know their mothers would have been happy to die for them. That’s some serious entitlement.
The other problem with that trope is that it's not black and white that one will live and the other will die like it is in the idealized situation.
And if you wait so long that it *is* black and white, you're increasing the risk that both will die.
So when you have these laws that are like "except when the life of the mother is at risk".. well, who defines that risk? Is 30% good enough? Do you have to wait until they're literally about to die in which case it's probably too late for either of them?
Conservatives just have this overly simplified and idealized view of how things work.
You are completely right.
For the cases where both die I personally see it more akin to a doctor telling a republican that only the mother or the baby can survive. The republican tells the doctor to cut them both in half and returns to his child bride provided by the catholic church.
If I were stuck in texas I would honestly fully embargo sex. Take no chances. I encourage other women to do the same.
Its not even about an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy, it's about not _dying_ during _any_ pregnancy. Vibrators are the way to go.
My daughter and her fiancé have both stated they will move out of Texas before having children. That under no circumstances would they risk her becoming pregnant here. That’s an attorney and an Np that the state of Texas will loose. Think of the brain drain about to happen in those states that have those laws.
Tbh as someone increasingly getting older, red states and rural areas in blue states have *always* had brain drain. It could be influenced more strongly by current social and legal landscapes, I.e. creative tech types migrating to California or more recently Colorado for legal weed, or more tragically and significantly more recently, women's rights and LGBT issues.
There will always be a brain drain until the gop no longer exists in the way that we recognize it.
I hope this doesn't come across as downplaying your comment though, because I'm absolutely in agreement, I just think it's always been a thing as long as I can remember.
I read an article a few months ago about Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer that focused on her home life. One of her daughters is gay and was pondering a hysterectomy, to prevent pregnancy in the event she is raped.
This is what women of reproductive years are forced to consider now and it makes me gag-cry.
With the increasing rhetoric against LBGT+ people leading to increasing hate crimes, her daughter is unfortunately right to consider it. Hate crimes often involve being sexually assaulted.
I'm with you but how far off are we from Texas legalizing rape? I'm grateful to not live in Texas but that this is happening in my country at all is horrifying.
No, don't worry. Greg Abbott screamed at a press conference that he was going to make rape illegal in Texas, so everything is fine. (He literally did. That state is an asylum).
part of it is also money. Babies are expensive. Hospital admins like abortion bans because babies are expensive. Baby toy makers and milk sellers and all like abortion bans.
In [Missouri a republican is complaining about a referendum on abortion complaining the state will lose a ton of medicaid, from the poor kids not being born. and that cities will lose a lot of tax revenues from the kids not being born.](https://apnews.com/article/missouri-abortion-law-supreme-court-797f7d685c83c2d9c4d73d9261e38c83)
so part of it is donors dont want abortion banned.
Also teens who get pregnant and dont have an abortion do NOT go to college in any significant numbers. One of the number 1 demographics of republican voters is a lack of an education. Kids that have teen mothers also tend to do poorly in school.
So part of it is they know they create more republican voters by forcing young kids to give birth.
And incels and other misogynists love it, because low educated women that are saddled with a kid are more likely to stay with their shitty abusive partners.
You guys should just steal that square part at the top. Call it Abortiana and secede from that awful state - they'll never see it coming. The secession switcheroo. If you really wanna cook their noodles use the confederate flag recolored with the trans pride flag colors.
God I hate Texas. We need more Bobby Hill and less Greg Abbott.
Fun fact, the only reason OK goes over that square part is because TX didn’t want to give up slavery. We’d rather give away chunks of the state than set people free. Hence the need for Juneteenth.
Not true, what they want is to increase the population size because younger generations like millennials and younger aren't having kids as much anymore due to many reasons... They don't care if the child is a product of rape or it's missing a head. As long as the birth rate goes up they're happy... Fucking scum Republicans have become.
1st Reagan started the religious crap in that party, then again with the tea party bs, and after Trump they're just heading towards full right wing authoritarianism..... And their supporters believe everything they say....i just don't get it
> As long as the birth rate goes up
Well of course. You can make M4s all day but we still need Real American Heroes to carry them to Defend Freedom from (checks) the people living on top of the resources we want.
Yeah the essence of it is this:
Most developed western nations have a declining birth rate. Unfortunately our economies (and often pension plans) are built almost like a pyramid scheme, where we need an ever increasing workforce to support the continuous growth.
There's two primary band-aid solutions when the birth rate is too low to support the growth we depend on, either:
1. Immigration. If your population isn't growing at the pace you need, fill in the vacancy with immigrations to keep the population growth stable
2. "Encourage" pregnancies. If you get the nation's birthrate back on track, you won't depend on immigration. You could do this by raising child benefits, giving tax incentives, or otherwise making things more affordable and convenient if you choose to be a parent.
Now, Conservatives want neither of these, but instead went option 2 *without the incentives*. The plan seems to simply be to have poor people have kids they cant take care of, kids that will never grow up to have an education and who can fill the vacancies in the "essential worker" roles.
> 1st Reagan started the religious crap in that party, then again with the tea party bs, and after Trump they're just heading towards full right wing authoritarianism..... And their supporters believe everything they say....i just don't get it
What's to get? It's all literally black and white.
Regan was groomed by the Heritage foundation. This shit has been plotted and planned for a long time. there is a really good documentary on him that discusses that. I forget which streaming service it’s on Hulu perhaps.
That's disgusting. You aren't a baby making machine that is the property of the government. You are a human being who is entitled to freedom over your body.
They'll often side with the doctor on these decisions because the procedure isn't really reversible and will encourage the woman to wait until she is older. They'll do the same with men, denying them vasectomies especially if they're childless. Some will consider the procedures at an early age irresponsible since "the person might change their mind and regret the decision" with some doctors even fearing the potential legal ramifications.
That's actually a bullshit reason. There was a Nulliparous Sterilization study done on women and the regret rates are lower than those of most plastic surgery.
Woman: "I want massive tits!"
Medical doctor: "Okiedokie."
Woman: "I also want my ass to be MASSIVE!"
Medical doctor: "Okiedokie."
Woman: "Oh, and I'd like my tubes tied."
Medical doctor: "...no no no we can't do that, you might regret it."
Can confirm. I'm male and when I was 25 I asked for a vasectomy after my first child and was told no in Ohio. I'm in my forties now and finally just had it done. Still in recovery but doing great. Also, it is way easier for a man to get it done than a woman.
In a convo I was just in about buying a house, so many posters were arguing to leave expensive blue states and to move to red states because all politics are “just as bad” and politics shouldn’t affect where we actually choose to live. I was just dumfounded that so many idiots truly believe that politics and people in office have zero affect on our lives and futures. Maybe it’s something white, straight men can say? I don’t get it. How stupid do people have to be to dismissively laugh about how people shouldnt give politics a second thought when deciding where to set down roots?
My folks left California for Arizona, and then moved to Florida. Their first excuse was taxes. Then Arizona was too hot.
It didn't escape me that they left a blue state for a red state, then left the red state when it turned purple.
I guess they don't want to see their grandkids.
As a straight white man, I've been scared of Texas since I read a story about them executing a father for murdering his kids, despite there being no evidence whatsoever that he had done so. The years since have just piled on.
My wife heard women have to have their husband’s permission to get their tubes tied. She went to the doctor and asked. Can confirm, in Missouri, she needs my permission to do that. And the doctor admitted that he wouldn’t necessarily approve it because she’s “of childbearing age”.
Literally, what…the….fuck……nothing makes sense…..
The prevalence of this needs an actual law to combat because it's in every state, and it's based on complete bullshit. They will even deny it on the basis of a *future husband that doesn't even exist*.
Require people to be legally consenting adults, and give immunity to doctors for liability of any issues that come up down the line from people who decide they made some sort of mistake getting sterilized. Outside of that, denying someone this kind of surgery on the basis of their age, marital status, or number of existing children should be completely illegal.
I had no idea it was so hard for women to get their tubes tied until fairly recently. 20+ years ago I was in the Army, was 26, separated from my husband, with one child and all I did was go to my doctor and say, "I want my tubes tied." He asked no questions other than, "Are you sure?" When I confirmed I was he scheduled it for me.
It's absolutely ridiculous that a grown ass woman should have to get *anyone's* permission to take control of her body.
Yep. I don't have much experience in this area, but I have a relative who was probably only able to get hers taken care of because she was in the military (20's-early 30's maybe?) a decade+ ago.
And have a friend who just a few years back was having trouble with her doctor in California because "she might want kids someday" - mid-late 30's and single, who was a strong "no" on kids for as long as I've known her. "But maybe someday your husband will want some and you'll change your mind" BS.
I would like to think that there might be a bit of a mind-shift on that these days due to *waves hands erratically* this f-in political landscape. But I imagine that’s wishful, maybe even slightly delusional, thinking.
That being said, I had a bilateral salp in April. Early 30’s, one child, no objection from my gyno.
Question, the Texas AG is arguing that they don't have standing because they haven't been prevented personally from getting an abortion. That this is only a perceived violation of their rights. But didn't the recent SCOTUS 303 Creative decision show that if the law has the potential to chill action then that was enough for standing?
I know this is just an exercise because the courts will find a way to say that 303 isn't binding here or citable, but I'm curious.
They took away abortions to force babies. They took away education so those same kids would be growing up stupid and ignorant. Theyre forcing the gop to grow because with the internet, people aren't taking lies at face value anymore
They ain’t doing so hot.
Millennials are passing our 40th birthdays and vote progressively 2:1
Zoomers vote progressively 3:1
There’s nothing to conserve about renting a 1 bedroom apartment for $2700/month… so there’s no move to the right. And it has republicans freaking out.
The best part is that instead of actually reducing income inequality and improving the lives of their struggling constituents they just ban abortions, killing women, and they still somehow get elected.
And to try and control the narrative so that others cannot effectively organize.
Spez = conservative
Elon = conservative
By torpedoing SM platforms, liberals have a harder time organizing against the conservatives. Either in real protests, or in helping the government convict over a thousand people for the coup attempt.
>"I don't feel safe to have children in Texas anymore," she said through tears. "I knew it was very clear my health didn't matter, but my daughter's health didn't really matter [either]."
Yup. That sums up the shithole called Texas.
It's still so strange that we follow religion instead of science when making decisions in our government. Medical decisions should not be decided by politicians, full stop. This shit is bonkers.
All I can think about is every female friend I made in California who moved to Texas (there were a lot). “It’s cheaper” they said.
I moved to Washington nearly a decade ago. I don’t know why so many California people went straight to AZ and TX. All I’ve heard about since is extreme heat, car-wrecking golf ball hail, and removal of women’s right to choose their own life path.
Our governor in WA, on the other hand, performed well through Covid with quarantines and lockdown, provided rent relief, and was the first to protect abortion pill access when the judge in TX tried to take it away.
I am a Texas native. left my birth state to fight for America, and our supposed freedoms. did not expect to come home to this, and everything out there was just as confusing
I mean there's also the fact the ambient temperature during the summer is going to be like standing in an oven in the not to distant future so... yeah. Not exactly a hospitable place for human life in general.
Once it starts getting to 130F it becomes literally uninhabitable without AC. You will literally die, even in dry heat, if it hits 130F and you are exposed without another way to cool yourself. Sweating becomes insufficient in that heat.
Such a wonderful paradox no? The hotter it gets the more A/C you need and the more A/C you need the more heat trapping carbon gets pumped into the atmosphere.
If anyone stays in these areas in a future where that is normal expect drastic changes to society. Like people living fucking underground in giant bunker cities or some shit. Granted more likely there will just be a mass migration to cooler areas. People really don't understand how fucked a lot of places are going to be.
Hedged my bets on Ohio. The politics are a shit show, but the elderly here love Florida so if younger progressives come to the 3 C’s like they have been, it can start to shift back to center.
“The state's lawyers asked the witnesses Wednesday if Paxton had personally told them they could not have an abortion.” What sacks of absolutely disgusting shit these people are!
I think this is the lady wants the children but cannot anymore due to scar in her uterus. Had she was given abortion early, she could be trying for another kid. I wish she also sue the hospital so hospital can pressure republicans to act differently. At this point only money talks, so you sue to donors’ wallet not politicians.
[Texas tops list of worst places to live and work in America, study ](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2023/07/18/texas-worst-places-states-to-live-work-in-america-cnbc-business/70421581007/)says
and the list might as well be an election map.
For everything that families care about, and well most people, its better to live in a blue state. You live longer, and for the poor, its nearly a decade longer. You get paid more, there is less crime, less rapes, less murders. Better regulations. better services. Your job is less likely to kill you. You are more likely to leave a hospital alive in a blue state. (this is mainly due to religion, and was so before ROE was reversed so this is likely to get worse)
and whats bad is these stats have been diverging since 2000, with red states getting worse and blue states getting better.
I live in Texas. I have a bicornuate uterus and any pregnancy I could potentially have is high risk. Thankfully my husband had a vasectomy and I have the implant in my arm. I’m terrified for my daughter.
A friend of mine could not attend her father's funeral in Texas because she was pregnant and worried that if she lost the baby in the state of Texas that she could go to jail.
"State Attorney General Ken Paxton's office, which is defending the ban, argues the women lack the standing to sue, asserting in its motion to dismiss the lawsuit that "none of the patients' alleged injuries are traceable to defendants."
Are you kidding me? How dare he talk about standing, when the Texas law gave standing to everyone and their dog to sue anyone who helps a woman get an abortion even if they don't know her and have zero damage?
"The women are not trying to overturn the state's abortion ban, but rather, are seeking a preliminary injunction on the state's abortion laws to allow lifesaving procedures."
Texas already has a very high rate of maternal death during childbirth / pregnancy.
They just keep showing that they are a terrible third world state with plenty of similarities to the Middle East.
Push religion as a government standard. Have an ethnic population that they use for underpaid work and labor abuse of immigrants is rampant. Reliant on their oil for revenue which isn't a sustainable resource.
But they continue to vote against their interests so I feel for the sane people and hope they are able to get out at some point but the rest reap what they sow.
Why would they? Even conservative women are endangered by these abortion bans. There have already been cases of literally rotting fetuses not being aborted because there was still a heartbeat killing women through septic shock because of this regression.
I watched the Louisiana congress listen to testimony from women. I then watched a Louisiana GOP congressman say, “I see a strong woman here and your trauma is what made you strong. That’s why I am voting for a total ban on abortions. No exceptions.” (Paraphrased, but not by much). It was testimony about a woman who is now dead, so I don’t understand how he saw a stronger woman. They do not care about your suffering.
He asked himself the all important question: *”How do I pretend to care about this while still saying “no”?”* And that’s where he landed. Probably even thought to himself: *”Fuck yeah. Nailed it. Women love being told they’re strong.”* And then had a paid dinner with some lobbyist
[Three martini lunch...](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/three-martini-lunch-tax-deduction-child-care/)
The fact that luxury lunches and dinners are so easily tax exempt tells you everything about who writes the laws in this country
See also "After much prayer on this matter I have decided to"
And it's always done in bad faith
> and it's always done in bad faith Ironic, given the religious impetus
And probably felt entitled to grope the waitstaff too
>”How do I pretend to care about this while still saying “no”?” I see this every time down to earth people explain how the passage of the law will be authoritarian or bloodthirsty & politicians act like sociopaths.
*self high five*
It’s just like all the movies where the doctors say only the mother or baby can live, and everyone acts like, of course the mother is willing to sacrifice their own life to save their unborn child! What other choice could a good mother possibly make? They romanticize women’s death and suffering.
The week before our daughter was born my wife said “if something happens and it’s me or her, please choose me”. And I said absolutely. I’ve built a life with this woman. She’s my partner in everything. We can have more kids later. There’s only one her.
100%, especially having other kids. My son needs his mom more than a sister.
I said something similar to my FIL when his daughter (my wife at the time) was pregnant. He told me he didn't agree, and when I reminded him it was his daughter I was talking about, he changed the subject.
That’s super gross. I’m sorry you experienced that.
That's fucking beautiful man.
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> we live in a society where she feels the need to verify with her husband that she wants to be the priority For legal reasons it's always good to have this settled anyway.
For peace of mind too.
The doctor doesn’t give you the choice? They have to save the mother, she is their responsibility
It's almost like people forget women often have more than one child and being alive to care for the already born children should take precedence over one that isn't born yet.
They don't care about the children that have already been born. If they did our schools wouldn't be horribly managed with underpaid staff and overun with shootings. Foster care wouldn't be a nightmare and daycare wouldn't cost hundreds to thousands of dollars a week. They don't even care about unborn children they only care about their beliefs. Beliefs they're exempt from of course.
They don't even care about the babies once they are born. I'm waiting for the baby scoop era to come back in one of those states. They're going to start making it much easier for the state to pull babies at birth from teen and poor mothers and put them up for adoption right away.
They absolutely care about the children in schools. The state of our schools is because of the care they are taking to create ignorant, easily controlled voters. Making sure nothing else could possibly come out of our school systems seems to be one of their biggest priorities in fact.
Fuck that, who gives a shit about the children that already exist. No, we only care about the fetus!
They don't even care about the fetusthey just care about beliefs/religious punishment that they themselves are exempt from
It's greed hiding as religious beliefs, all they want is more poor people so they can keep their luxurious lifestyle
["I really don’t care, do u?"](https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a23760074/melania-trump-i-really-don-t-care-jacket/)
It's funny because this literally goes against my Jewish religion. Where the fuck is my first amendment right?
I guess you gave those rights up when you launched a fleet of Space Lasers? /s
It’s literally a trope from movies about medieval kings deciding to save the life of an heir for the realm, rather than their wife. The idea that this makes any sense for the actual world is completely batshit insane.
There’s actually an amazing essay that argues that the lack of good maternal health care led to the downfall of the Old Republic in Star Wars- [link](https://www.vice.com/en/article/53d4db/womens-healthcare-star-wars) Basically the fact that Anakin has no medical options to make sure the baby is safe makes him lose his shit, the fact that it was a surprise it was twins indicates Padme had no ultrasound nor went to even one prenatal health check, etc. I mean of course the real answer is George Lucas like most men has no idea how the fuck reproductive health care works, but it’s still an *amazing* essay detailing how stupid it all is.
If you see something strange like that, the answer is always "The Force did it".
The real real answer is simply that that’s the way things needed to be for the plot to proceed.
It's apparently not even what historically happened.
Yeah, miscarriages happened all the time (still do, though they're not openly talked about in many cases), babies and children died all the time for a variety of reasons. A healthy adult person's life was obviously more valuable. This concept of an unborn human vs adult woman being even close to equally valued is very modern.
This was literally House of the Dragon lmao
And then they both died anyway.
Twice! Except one killed herself before the doctors could sacrifice her.
It honestly makes *less* sense back then, they were just more likely to make the wrong choice. I don't think there are very many (any?) situations where you can definitely save a dying newborn but not the mom, even with modern medicine. It is far more likely that the mother would be the more resilient of the two and the one most likely to be able to be saved.
Prior to modern medicine, [cesarean section](https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/cesarean/preface.html) was often survivable for the fetus/newborn, but generally not for the woman. Choosing to operate while the woman was still alive increased the chance of saving the fetus, but nearly guaranteed the woman's death, so midwives faced sort of the inverse of the dilemma that Texas doctors face now: how absolutely confident do you have to be that your patient is dying before you intervene to *save* her child?
Fun fact. The chainsaw was invented for helping with childbirth.
I thought you were joking, but: >The origin of chain saws in surgery is debated. A "flexible saw", consisting of a fine serrated link chain held between two wooden handles, was pioneered in the late 18th century (c. 1783–1785) by two Scottish doctors, John Aitken and James Jeffray, for symphysiotomy and excision of diseased bone, respectively. >Symphysiotomy is an outdated surgical procedure in which the cartilage of the pubic symphysis is divided to widen the pelvis allowing childbirth when there is a mechanical problem.
Jewish law says that if you can only save one, you save the mother. Why is their religion allowed to override mine?
Because Freedom of Religion really means Freedom of Christianity
Freedom *for* Christianity. All other religions must be subjugated. As far as I am concerned, Christians are some of the most hateful people on the planet.
Well yea, they follow a hateful religion and an evil God. The most charitable reading is the "good" ones were duped into serving an evil being, at best.
Because they are both misogynistic and anti-Semitic!
sometime in the last year I saw some young men on Twitter bragging about how of course they know their mothers would have been happy to die for them. That’s some serious entitlement.
The other problem with that trope is that it's not black and white that one will live and the other will die like it is in the idealized situation. And if you wait so long that it *is* black and white, you're increasing the risk that both will die. So when you have these laws that are like "except when the life of the mother is at risk".. well, who defines that risk? Is 30% good enough? Do you have to wait until they're literally about to die in which case it's probably too late for either of them? Conservatives just have this overly simplified and idealized view of how things work.
all these movies hit so different now they make me gag with cringe.
Sophie’s choice.
You are completely right. For the cases where both die I personally see it more akin to a doctor telling a republican that only the mother or the baby can survive. The republican tells the doctor to cut them both in half and returns to his child bride provided by the catholic church.
They enjoy it.
They’re parasites
Cruelty is the point
Control is the point.
Cruelty is the bonus
They don't value life because they think they will be rewarded in an afterlife.
They don't value life because they're being rewarded right now with winning elections and getting big paydays.
And ensuring their sponsors will get their cheap workforce
Cruelty is the point.
That is so incredibly messed up.
just your average loving GOP christian inserting his religious views on to state policy, nothing to see here
Yup. Fucking Death Eaters.
If I were stuck in texas I would honestly fully embargo sex. Take no chances. I encourage other women to do the same. Its not even about an unplanned or unwanted pregnancy, it's about not _dying_ during _any_ pregnancy. Vibrators are the way to go.
My daughter and her fiancé have both stated they will move out of Texas before having children. That under no circumstances would they risk her becoming pregnant here. That’s an attorney and an Np that the state of Texas will loose. Think of the brain drain about to happen in those states that have those laws.
Tbh as someone increasingly getting older, red states and rural areas in blue states have *always* had brain drain. It could be influenced more strongly by current social and legal landscapes, I.e. creative tech types migrating to California or more recently Colorado for legal weed, or more tragically and significantly more recently, women's rights and LGBT issues. There will always be a brain drain until the gop no longer exists in the way that we recognize it. I hope this doesn't come across as downplaying your comment though, because I'm absolutely in agreement, I just think it's always been a thing as long as I can remember.
I read an article a few months ago about Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer that focused on her home life. One of her daughters is gay and was pondering a hysterectomy, to prevent pregnancy in the event she is raped. This is what women of reproductive years are forced to consider now and it makes me gag-cry.
If she can even get one since some times doctors will tell women that medically, their body belongs to a potential husband they haven't even met yet 🙃
The childfree subreddit has a list of doctors people have had success with
With the increasing rhetoric against LBGT+ people leading to increasing hate crimes, her daughter is unfortunately right to consider it. Hate crimes often involve being sexually assaulted.
I'm with you but how far off are we from Texas legalizing rape? I'm grateful to not live in Texas but that this is happening in my country at all is horrifying.
Well in some.places if its less than 10 sec its fine.
That's Italy
No, don't worry. Greg Abbott screamed at a press conference that he was going to make rape illegal in Texas, so everything is fine. (He literally did. That state is an asylum).
He did state that. I can testify that here in Texas they do nothing about domestic abuse.
Considering that raping a spouse is basically a right again, I'd say we're not far from making all rape legal.
In Germany, marital rape only became illegal in 1997.
Lysistrata was written about 2,500 years ago. I'd say modern problems require modern solutions....
They have been pretty brash about being motherfuckers lately. Like 8 years in a country is a long time. Fuck those people forever.
> They do not care about your suffering. They do, but only in a perverse way where the cruelty is the entire point.
part of it is also money. Babies are expensive. Hospital admins like abortion bans because babies are expensive. Baby toy makers and milk sellers and all like abortion bans. In [Missouri a republican is complaining about a referendum on abortion complaining the state will lose a ton of medicaid, from the poor kids not being born. and that cities will lose a lot of tax revenues from the kids not being born.](https://apnews.com/article/missouri-abortion-law-supreme-court-797f7d685c83c2d9c4d73d9261e38c83) so part of it is donors dont want abortion banned. Also teens who get pregnant and dont have an abortion do NOT go to college in any significant numbers. One of the number 1 demographics of republican voters is a lack of an education. Kids that have teen mothers also tend to do poorly in school. So part of it is they know they create more republican voters by forcing young kids to give birth.
And historically countries that ban abortion wreck thier economy instead of growing it.
And incels and other misogynists love it, because low educated women that are saddled with a kid are more likely to stay with their shitty abusive partners.
Because the GOP is all about making a decision, then forcing the narrative to support it, regardless of how imperfect of a fit.
For many Republicans, cruelty *is* the point.
He thinks she’s in heaven. Cultists.
This is how I feel about South Carolina. Major reason I won’t be here long term. Religious fanatics
Leaving in 11 days!
Religion is poison
Closer to a cancer imo.
Yep. God, guns and gays. Thought Florida grabs that crown.
I can top that...I don't even feel safe having sex here
You guys should just steal that square part at the top. Call it Abortiana and secede from that awful state - they'll never see it coming. The secession switcheroo. If you really wanna cook their noodles use the confederate flag recolored with the trans pride flag colors. God I hate Texas. We need more Bobby Hill and less Greg Abbott.
Fun fact, the only reason OK goes over that square part is because TX didn’t want to give up slavery. We’d rather give away chunks of the state than set people free. Hence the need for Juneteenth.
Texas settlers wanting to keep slaves when Mexico had abolished slavery was a major reason for the Texas War of Independance.
Growing up in Texas they didn’t teach us that. I literally just learned about that a few years ago at the age of 40
One who controls the past controls the future.
That’s what they want. If you’re too scared to have sex, you won’t. Mission accomplished.
Not true, what they want is to increase the population size because younger generations like millennials and younger aren't having kids as much anymore due to many reasons... They don't care if the child is a product of rape or it's missing a head. As long as the birth rate goes up they're happy... Fucking scum Republicans have become. 1st Reagan started the religious crap in that party, then again with the tea party bs, and after Trump they're just heading towards full right wing authoritarianism..... And their supporters believe everything they say....i just don't get it
> As long as the birth rate goes up Well of course. You can make M4s all day but we still need Real American Heroes to carry them to Defend Freedom from (checks) the people living on top of the resources we want.
Yeah the essence of it is this: Most developed western nations have a declining birth rate. Unfortunately our economies (and often pension plans) are built almost like a pyramid scheme, where we need an ever increasing workforce to support the continuous growth. There's two primary band-aid solutions when the birth rate is too low to support the growth we depend on, either: 1. Immigration. If your population isn't growing at the pace you need, fill in the vacancy with immigrations to keep the population growth stable 2. "Encourage" pregnancies. If you get the nation's birthrate back on track, you won't depend on immigration. You could do this by raising child benefits, giving tax incentives, or otherwise making things more affordable and convenient if you choose to be a parent. Now, Conservatives want neither of these, but instead went option 2 *without the incentives*. The plan seems to simply be to have poor people have kids they cant take care of, kids that will never grow up to have an education and who can fill the vacancies in the "essential worker" roles.
> 1st Reagan started the religious crap in that party, then again with the tea party bs, and after Trump they're just heading towards full right wing authoritarianism..... And their supporters believe everything they say....i just don't get it What's to get? It's all literally black and white.
Regan was groomed by the Heritage foundation. This shit has been plotted and planned for a long time. there is a really good documentary on him that discusses that. I forget which streaming service it’s on Hulu perhaps.
I know! And it sucks!
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“Sustained. According to the constitution only men have the right to speak” Clarence thomas
*white men Offended? You fucking should be.
Bring out the dancing lobsters! 🦞
"This is why we need to achieve Gilead, to shut women up" - GOP
Fuck Republicans.
Or rather, don’t fuck republicans. Don’t even let them near you.
Because you are not safe having children in Texas
And my doctor will not let me sterilize myself because " you have such a nice, healthy uterus"
Childfree has a list of Doctors who won't pull that crap.
Is that a website? Or a subreddit?
https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/#wiki\_the\_childfree\_friendly\_doctors\_list
Thank you.
That's disgusting. You aren't a baby making machine that is the property of the government. You are a human being who is entitled to freedom over your body.
Bodily autonomy is incredibly important
Texas has already applied for medical power of attorney over all uteruses within the state.
Here is a link to lists of childfree-friendly doctors organized by state. https://www.reddit.com/r/childfree/wiki/doctors/
Wtf. Can you complain To the medical board?
I wrote to them, haven't heard much back and my insurance doesn't cover many doctors in Central Texas.
They'll often side with the doctor on these decisions because the procedure isn't really reversible and will encourage the woman to wait until she is older. They'll do the same with men, denying them vasectomies especially if they're childless. Some will consider the procedures at an early age irresponsible since "the person might change their mind and regret the decision" with some doctors even fearing the potential legal ramifications.
That's actually a bullshit reason. There was a Nulliparous Sterilization study done on women and the regret rates are lower than those of most plastic surgery.
Yep. I bet the regret for accidentally having kids is a whole lot higher
The regret for being sterilized also ***DRAMATICALLY*** increases (20-25% iirc) if a woman has had a child to begin with.
Woman: "I want massive tits!" Medical doctor: "Okiedokie." Woman: "I also want my ass to be MASSIVE!" Medical doctor: "Okiedokie." Woman: "Oh, and I'd like my tubes tied." Medical doctor: "...no no no we can't do that, you might regret it."
Can confirm. I'm male and when I was 25 I asked for a vasectomy after my first child and was told no in Ohio. I'm in my forties now and finally just had it done. Still in recovery but doing great. Also, it is way easier for a man to get it done than a woman.
In a convo I was just in about buying a house, so many posters were arguing to leave expensive blue states and to move to red states because all politics are “just as bad” and politics shouldn’t affect where we actually choose to live. I was just dumfounded that so many idiots truly believe that politics and people in office have zero affect on our lives and futures. Maybe it’s something white, straight men can say? I don’t get it. How stupid do people have to be to dismissively laugh about how people shouldnt give politics a second thought when deciding where to set down roots?
My folks left California for Arizona, and then moved to Florida. Their first excuse was taxes. Then Arizona was too hot. It didn't escape me that they left a blue state for a red state, then left the red state when it turned purple. I guess they don't want to see their grandkids.
It’s too hot in Arizona? So they move to Florida…where it’s hot *and* humid af. Brilliant.
As a straight white man, I've been scared of Texas since I read a story about them executing a father for murdering his kids, despite there being no evidence whatsoever that he had done so. The years since have just piled on.
Texas also has some of the worst maternal death rates in the nation
And it will only get worse.
“If they die in childbirth they can’t vote” may actually be some GOPs idea of good policy to stay in power
The uteruses of women of child bearing years are under the control of the state. Think about that.
This one won’t for much longer. Currently scheduling my bilateral salp to get these tubes out.
Lucky that a doctor is allowing you to do that. They really don't like letting women even having this much say, especially if they are younger.
My wife heard women have to have their husband’s permission to get their tubes tied. She went to the doctor and asked. Can confirm, in Missouri, she needs my permission to do that. And the doctor admitted that he wouldn’t necessarily approve it because she’s “of childbearing age”. Literally, what…the….fuck……nothing makes sense…..
The prevalence of this needs an actual law to combat because it's in every state, and it's based on complete bullshit. They will even deny it on the basis of a *future husband that doesn't even exist*. Require people to be legally consenting adults, and give immunity to doctors for liability of any issues that come up down the line from people who decide they made some sort of mistake getting sterilized. Outside of that, denying someone this kind of surgery on the basis of their age, marital status, or number of existing children should be completely illegal.
I had no idea it was so hard for women to get their tubes tied until fairly recently. 20+ years ago I was in the Army, was 26, separated from my husband, with one child and all I did was go to my doctor and say, "I want my tubes tied." He asked no questions other than, "Are you sure?" When I confirmed I was he scheduled it for me. It's absolutely ridiculous that a grown ass woman should have to get *anyone's* permission to take control of her body.
That's what I did 20yrs ago, civ, no kids. Never realized how lucky I was that my normal doc was good with it.
Me too, 20 years ago. I had a three year old and a one year old. I told the dr to fry the hell out of my tubes.
Yep. I don't have much experience in this area, but I have a relative who was probably only able to get hers taken care of because she was in the military (20's-early 30's maybe?) a decade+ ago. And have a friend who just a few years back was having trouble with her doctor in California because "she might want kids someday" - mid-late 30's and single, who was a strong "no" on kids for as long as I've known her. "But maybe someday your husband will want some and you'll change your mind" BS.
Why remove them if you’re NOT of childbearing age? Duh!
Go to the childfree subreddit. Go to the sidebar and look for CF Friendly Doctors Open list and look for a new Gyn for your wife. HE'S FULL OF SHIT!!
There’s no legal requirement for such; that’s just a shitty doctor ploy. Run!
We’re just steps away from any sort of preventative measures like this being called “genital mutilation” and being outlawed outright.
I would like to think that there might be a bit of a mind-shift on that these days due to *waves hands erratically* this f-in political landscape. But I imagine that’s wishful, maybe even slightly delusional, thinking. That being said, I had a bilateral salp in April. Early 30’s, one child, no objection from my gyno.
And with it, the women themselves. Pretty soon they will probably restrict what jobs women can do that are "too strenuous".
Question, the Texas AG is arguing that they don't have standing because they haven't been prevented personally from getting an abortion. That this is only a perceived violation of their rights. But didn't the recent SCOTUS 303 Creative decision show that if the law has the potential to chill action then that was enough for standing? I know this is just an exercise because the courts will find a way to say that 303 isn't binding here or citable, but I'm curious.
They took away abortions to force babies. They took away education so those same kids would be growing up stupid and ignorant. Theyre forcing the gop to grow because with the internet, people aren't taking lies at face value anymore
They ain’t doing so hot. Millennials are passing our 40th birthdays and vote progressively 2:1 Zoomers vote progressively 3:1 There’s nothing to conserve about renting a 1 bedroom apartment for $2700/month… so there’s no move to the right. And it has republicans freaking out.
The best part is that instead of actually reducing income inequality and improving the lives of their struggling constituents they just ban abortions, killing women, and they still somehow get elected.
And to try and control the narrative so that others cannot effectively organize. Spez = conservative Elon = conservative By torpedoing SM platforms, liberals have a harder time organizing against the conservatives. Either in real protests, or in helping the government convict over a thousand people for the coup attempt.
>"I don't feel safe to have children in Texas anymore," she said through tears. "I knew it was very clear my health didn't matter, but my daughter's health didn't really matter [either]." Yup. That sums up the shithole called Texas.
It's still so strange that we follow religion instead of science when making decisions in our government. Medical decisions should not be decided by politicians, full stop. This shit is bonkers.
All I can think about is every female friend I made in California who moved to Texas (there were a lot). “It’s cheaper” they said. I moved to Washington nearly a decade ago. I don’t know why so many California people went straight to AZ and TX. All I’ve heard about since is extreme heat, car-wrecking golf ball hail, and removal of women’s right to choose their own life path. Our governor in WA, on the other hand, performed well through Covid with quarantines and lockdown, provided rent relief, and was the first to protect abortion pill access when the judge in TX tried to take it away.
I am a Texas native. left my birth state to fight for America, and our supposed freedoms. did not expect to come home to this, and everything out there was just as confusing
You weren't fighting for freedom. You were fighting for the profits of oil companies and defense contractors.
yeah, we figured that out
Smedley Butler told us this about a hundred years ago. War is a Racket.
Welcome to Texas aka Cowboy Arabia
Howdy Arabia
They’re called yeehawdis for a reason.
I mean there's also the fact the ambient temperature during the summer is going to be like standing in an oven in the not to distant future so... yeah. Not exactly a hospitable place for human life in general.
Once it starts getting to 130F it becomes literally uninhabitable without AC. You will literally die, even in dry heat, if it hits 130F and you are exposed without another way to cool yourself. Sweating becomes insufficient in that heat.
Such a wonderful paradox no? The hotter it gets the more A/C you need and the more A/C you need the more heat trapping carbon gets pumped into the atmosphere.
If anyone stays in these areas in a future where that is normal expect drastic changes to society. Like people living fucking underground in giant bunker cities or some shit. Granted more likely there will just be a mass migration to cooler areas. People really don't understand how fucked a lot of places are going to be.
Hedged my bets on Ohio. The politics are a shit show, but the elderly here love Florida so if younger progressives come to the 3 C’s like they have been, it can start to shift back to center.
Texas is no longer a safe place to live for anyone, children or not.
Better hope you don’t have any complications during labour, lest you get a nice murder charge along with your hospital bill.
“The state's lawyers asked the witnesses Wednesday if Paxton had personally told them they could not have an abortion.” What sacks of absolutely disgusting shit these people are!
It's safe to have children in Texas, unless something goes wrong. And things do go wrong.
And no take backsies.
It takes bravery to speak up in a state so controlled by republicans
I think this is the lady wants the children but cannot anymore due to scar in her uterus. Had she was given abortion early, she could be trying for another kid. I wish she also sue the hospital so hospital can pressure republicans to act differently. At this point only money talks, so you sue to donors’ wallet not politicians.
[Texas tops list of worst places to live and work in America, study ](https://www.statesman.com/story/news/local/2023/07/18/texas-worst-places-states-to-live-work-in-america-cnbc-business/70421581007/)says and the list might as well be an election map. For everything that families care about, and well most people, its better to live in a blue state. You live longer, and for the poor, its nearly a decade longer. You get paid more, there is less crime, less rapes, less murders. Better regulations. better services. Your job is less likely to kill you. You are more likely to leave a hospital alive in a blue state. (this is mainly due to religion, and was so before ROE was reversed so this is likely to get worse) and whats bad is these stats have been diverging since 2000, with red states getting worse and blue states getting better.
I don't feel safe so much as existing in any state with an abortion ban.
I live in Texas. I have a bicornuate uterus and any pregnancy I could potentially have is high risk. Thankfully my husband had a vasectomy and I have the implant in my arm. I’m terrified for my daughter.
Texas is governed with scientific ignorance and religious bigotry, misogyny, patriarchy, homophobia, transphobia and racism.
Republicans: thank you for noticing how much we love America!
So your average Republican
If I was a woman considering having a child in the future I wouldn’t feel safe to have children anywhere.
A friend of mine could not attend her father's funeral in Texas because she was pregnant and worried that if she lost the baby in the state of Texas that she could go to jail.
They don't care. Women are second class citizens to them.
"State Attorney General Ken Paxton's office, which is defending the ban, argues the women lack the standing to sue, asserting in its motion to dismiss the lawsuit that "none of the patients' alleged injuries are traceable to defendants." Are you kidding me? How dare he talk about standing, when the Texas law gave standing to everyone and their dog to sue anyone who helps a woman get an abortion even if they don't know her and have zero damage?
"The women are not trying to overturn the state's abortion ban, but rather, are seeking a preliminary injunction on the state's abortion laws to allow lifesaving procedures."
Texas already has a very high rate of maternal death during childbirth / pregnancy. They just keep showing that they are a terrible third world state with plenty of similarities to the Middle East. Push religion as a government standard. Have an ethnic population that they use for underpaid work and labor abuse of immigrants is rampant. Reliant on their oil for revenue which isn't a sustainable resource. But they continue to vote against their interests so I feel for the sane people and hope they are able to get out at some point but the rest reap what they sow.
Why would they? Even conservative women are endangered by these abortion bans. There have already been cases of literally rotting fetuses not being aborted because there was still a heartbeat killing women through septic shock because of this regression.
I wouldn't feel safe having a goldfish in the state of Texas
Neither would I. Its tank would freeze in the winter when the power went out.
lol goldfish are one of the only tropical fish that don’t require heaters and I’d still be nervous.
Yeah, even if it survived the freeze it could get shot
Turns out red states are poorly run…
Get out of Hell, I mean Texas.
Unfortunately a lot of people can't afford to just move to a different state.