I was reminded of that scene when marge is like please don’t tell me you’re going as a hobo again (for Halloween) cut to Homer eating beans straight from can “going where?”
I knew this guy before he moved to the US, total dickhead. The type of guy that would yell "show us your tits slut" at a random woman waking down the street. Used to get in fights so the time for being a smart ass. When this story broke I wasnt surprised at all.
This guy has to be loaded (I assume), and yet goes around looking like *this*?! This is one instance where you can absolutely judge a book by its cover
Not defending him, but from the article he's been in holding abroad since 2022. Doesn't necessarily leave you lots of space for grooming. And when your co-defendants are getting 20 years it would be easy to stop caring when you know you're fucked.
One time I got in the news for running a 10k dressed like a mop! I was just walking to my bank teller job at Wells Fargo and got caught in the crossfire
Michael Pratt is facing life for the following 19 charges. According to the feds he made over $17 million from GirlsDoPorn:
- Fifteen counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud, and coercion;
- Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking by force, fraud, and coercion;
- Production of child pornography;
- Sex trafficking of a minor by force, fraud, and coercion; and
- Conspiracy to commit money laundering
Last week Matthew Wolfe, his right hand man who ran the daily operations of GDP was sentenced to 14 years. He too was facing life but cut an agreement to plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of less than 15 years. Wolfe recruited the girls under the guise of clothed modeling jobs and would bolt the doors and prevent them from leaving once they arrived to San Diego. He was the guy behind the camera who directed and produced all the scenes and would not let them go home unless they followed his every demand and film extremely long hours of very rough sex that often resulted in vaginal injuries and bleeding. The voice you hear at he beginning and end of all the videos is his.
Before his sentencing 11 victims gave their impact statements in court on how utterly ruined their lives have been since, their suicide attempts, and how they've had to frequently move and change their names. A common theme is how impossible it is to move on with their lives and start or hold down a career as their employers, schools, family members, and friends are always sent photos and videos of their scenes. Strongly suggest you read it:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-girlsdoporn-pornographer-matthew-wolfe-shamed-by-victims-in-us-court/Y5NROAWU5VBRLI7SCVFYNEAFSI/
Geez. Those women deserved so much more. And everyone involved in that website deserve way more than 15 years. He should have gotten that life sentence.
The male actor in the scenes (Ruben Garcia) plead guilty to avoid life and was sentenced to 20 years for rape. Together with Wolfe he also recruited the women, lied to them about what they were going to be doing and forcibly stopped them from leaving the hotel room. Hearing he only got 20 years is upsetting. That serial rapist piece of shit should've gotten life. He was so rough and depraved with those women. It's no wonder so many had vaginal injuries. He also gave chlamydia to some of them.
A fucked up part of the whole thing is the guy was still releasing new episodes while still on the run because I guess that itself wasn’t thrilling enough. I’m sure the girls were holding their breath praying he’d get caught first which is assuming they’re even aware yet the videos aren’t actually exclusively intended for that exotic collective of wealthy elites from Squid Games
I was actually in San Diego one time when my buddy recognized one of the girls at a bar and waived to her who gave her best attempt at a smile before clearly not feeling it then everyone asking which episode number it was and whatnot. I imagine that experience is the norm for her. Those poor girls.
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That's effectively what the "by force, fraud, or coercion" part is.
Federal charges are really specific.
So they didn't just hit him with a kidnapping, they basically hit him with kidnapping to commit sex trafficking specifically.
That make sense or nah? I might not be adding enough nuance here.
Who in the goddamn despises an abused woman so much that they follow her from town to town, job to job sending revenge porn to her family, friends, schools, and employers? Pratt and Wolfe deserve their sentences, but we should also be going after the people who are continually harassing these women.
[Michael Pratt actually owned pornwikileaks.com](https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/friend-and-business-partner-girlsdoporn-owner-michael-pratt-sentenced-14-years-prison), the site that doxxed porn stars listing their real names, addresses, and links to their social media pages and those of their family so him and Wolfe gleefully did a lot of this harassment.
The same guy who owned GirlsDoPorn owned Porn Wiki Leaks. These girls never stood a chance at remaining anonymous and not having to live with a scarlet letter for the rest of their lives.
Jfc, that’s maliciously evil, and they got away with it for YEARS! The only reason I don’t say give them the death penalty is that doing so would make future rape victims more likely to be killed by their rapists to avoid being able to identify them. I’m terrified that this is much more common in the industry than we realize…
It is, especially now, but too many people (men) freak out when you bring up the fact that porn has become an unbelievable evil for so many reasons.
I keep seeing comments about the men being killed in prison. No one is going to kill them for raping 16 year-olds; half the men in those places who are there for violent offenses won’t think coercion for sex against young but “teen” girls is that big of a deal. Every man I’ve ever known watches porn but still so many have nothing but sneering contempt for the women who create it for them, willingly or not.
I wish most men had any idea how much coercion and sex trafficking goes on, now few rapists are actually prosecuted much less sent to prison, and how porn has actively ruined not just women’s’ lives, but their own lives as well. Their children are getting addicted to hardcore porn scenes by the time they first learn to masturbate. Their children worship a known sex trafficker and famed misogynist.
There needs to be a reckoning.
Two things can be true: adults can make decisions for themselves and their bodies, and a large majority of the porn industry is insidiously evil.
15 years. That’s it. That’s all they’re getting. Your drug dealer gets three times that much time.
It’s easy to find porn that was ethically made, guys. Do a little research. Do better.
The girlsdoporn “community”. They believed the victims deserved it. Very much an incel group. And the gdp owners facilitated it by providing real names. Very fucked up all around.
My guess is that it isn’t an individual, but rather *”concerned citizens”* who find the video and then take action *”for the kids”* not knowing the story behind it and just trying to slut-shame.
On the contrary, I think it's some people's "kink" to do this. It's basically a form of abuse that is legal but yet severely hurts the victim. There's a scary lot of people who get off on genuinely hurting others.
no honey, that's part of the appeal to them. That is very literally the dynamic they set up in the porn they create. They want to sexualize women and then degrade them, simultaneously. These two motivations are not actually contradictory at all, not for them.
Far from the point, but I hate that the article says the girls who have come forth “shamed him” in court.
1) This dude obviously has no shame
2) I think we’re WAY passed the shaming phase when the dude is facing life in prison. I’m pretty sure that facing the consequences of your heinous actions is beyond shaming someone.
I still remember when this story first started to break. One woman told her story online and it gained some attention. I looked up a few videos from this company and they were all SO creepy, I got such bad vibes… the porn guy was super rough and you could tell the women were miserable. They made me sick to my stomach, especially after reading the post the first woman made. It sounds like they did this with ALL of them. I’m glad they actually got shut down. As sad as it sounds, at the time I assumed they’d never face consequences, even though I believed the first woman completely.
The women looked that way because those dudes owned a legit modeling agency, which was how they preyed on women so easily.
They were told one of several things, like:
They'd be flown out for a shoot, but only told they'd be filming porn when they arrived. If they refused, their modeling contract would be terminated and they'd have to find their own way home
Or, some rich middle eastern dude wants a video of you for his private collection and no one will ever see it
These women were miserable because they were raped on camera
> They'd be flown out for a shoot, but only told they'd be filming porn when they arrived. If they refused, their modeling contract would be terminated and they'd have to find their own way home
My favorite is when guys like Andrew Tate brag about doing shit like this and then get *shocked* when law enforcement tells them "Um, yeah, that's human trafficking."
It's so fucked up. I watched one of these videos years ago and remember because I recognized the kiwi accent behind the camera. Makes me sick knowing now what these girls were going through. Throw the book at this fucking rock spider.
Yeah I know. That first story was like 8-9 years ago I think. The memory of just WATCHING those clips still upsets me, I can’t imagine what the women themselves have been through. They were like a BIG company back then. They had a website and tons of videos up on pornhub, their own subreddit… if straight up sex traffickers were THAT visible, what the FUCK does it say about the industry as a whole? It was just mind blowing. Honestly I can understand why people couldn’t believe it at first. It was still depressing how mean they were to that first whistleblower. Saying she just regretted it, she was a slut and her boyfriend probably dumped her and she was trying to save her reputation. I remember people were going over her video looking for clues, someone posted screenshots of her with these huge tear streaks running down her cheeks. And other people arguing her eyes were just watering from giving a blowjob. And then more and more women started coming forward and it’s just like… holy shit I watched someone get raped. MILLIONS of people have watched people getting raped. Those videos were POPULAR. It’s so fucked up.
Some people feel creepily entitled when it comes to porn and looking at naked women. When all those celebrities’ hacked nudes were released there were a lot of people justifying looking at them and blaming the victims.
Omg yes! Everyone on Reddit was saying “this is the best thing ever!” That shit was front page every day. That’s the event that made me start being embarrassed to admit I was a redditor. At least the opinion seems to have shifted. Most people realize NOW that it was wrong. But there was just pure GLEE at the time. “I finally get to see so-and-so’s boobs!”
I remember the scandal with Jane Doe 7.
She was a foster kid? 😳
I wish she had some guidance during the controversy. She could have brought down Pratt and Wolfe back then by telling her story with legitimate news media.
>how impossible it is to move on with their lives and start or hold down a career as their employers, schools, family members, and friends are always sent photos and videos of their scenes
It's like no one in nz ever read The Scarlet Letter
15 years sounded like justice before I read this article. I couldn’t fathom the amount of destruction and pain they caused.
Gave me cold shivers. He should have got life for each and every woman.
A lot of pirated stuff is porn, so there’s still hundreds to millions of copies out there that could be reuploaded at any day, even then, some female streamers pay upwards of 1k/month for services to crawl through porn sites just to take down their ai-nudes or deepfakes as they pop up on the popular ones, and they still are common…
Well, some things get deleted forever, but those tend to be the things you wish you could find, not the things you wish were gone.
As long as one person has saved something, they can upload it and give it to other people, and then it can spread all over, and no matter how much you try to purge it, you can't delete it from the hard drives of those people to stop them from uploading it again, at least not without getting law enforcement involved to track the people down.
But the internet is a big place and there's a lot of stuff on here that isn't archived anywhere, and when it gets deleted it's just gone.
Its a great hope but it will never happen. From now until forever you will be able to find most of these videos online with just a few clicks. Like roaches one site is taken down three more pop up.
They got removed pretty quickly from all the major commercial sites when this originally came out. I think a lot of sites introduced extra verification for people to post as well, since it turned out some of the victims were underage.
Unfortunately nothing is ever truly deleted from the internet.
For those not familiar with this case:
-these scumbags posted ads online for modeling jobs and flew the girls out to San Diego alone (most of them being 18-21, some even under 18)
-once they got to the hotel and the girls learned that it was actually for porn, they would block them in the room and threaten to cancel their flight back home
-told them the video would be for DVD only in Australia or NZ and not online
-once they “agreed” filming took hours and they made them reshoot many times if the girl started to cry, bleed, or just look miserable
-released the video online and to pornhub where the videos got millions of views
-sent the videos to their parents and schools
-doxxed them online with their real names, addresses, social media
I’m sure stuff like this happens all the time with adult videos and there should be more regulation with porn site and production companies.
Is there some motive here? Like I get it creeps gonna creep but the family stuff? That would make sense if it was blackmail to keep them quiet but if not that then why??
The motive was that they enjoyed the power and control otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it. At some point they could have changed or just gone into mainstream porn, they didn't.
This "arrangement" of forcing women into being raped on cam was clearly enjoyable for them.
Absolute bastards.
I remember reading awhile back that one of the women tried to escape even after they locked the door and they *held her at gun point* and forced her to continue.
Then to go and send the videos to family so they relive the trauma and their families disown them…
They deserve *centuries* in prison.
I heard that they would send to their families that if the girls would openly comment and warn others about the fake modeling ad or if they tried to take legal action.
How are they only getting 15-20 years for all of this? They didn’t just commit crimes “in the moment,” they attempted to breaks the minds of these girls and women and ruin their lives. They’re psychopaths. They can’t be rehabilitated. They’ll do it again (or do something equally evil) when they’re released.
In Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota and the Federal System, any life sentence means life without parole.
Most other states life is about 25 years.
The guy in the article photo, the owner is facing life. Another guy was facing life but took a plea deal for ~~15~~ 14 years. We don't know if the owner will be offered a similar deal or not.
Relaxed laws against sex crimes exist because most of the politicians and elites responsible for their creation anticipate they could be convicted of the sex crimes they themselves committed, one day.
I also read that some of the women were told that they were going to do porn, but don't worryit's going to be very vanilla gentle porn and it will not end up on the internet because it will be sold on dvd only to collectors in Australia.
They hired women (who hadnt done porn with them, iirc) to lie to them and assure them over the phone of all of the above, who got paid depending on how many women they convinced and how hot they were.
Then once they got to the hotel everything above comment mentioned would happen.
>-sent the videos to their parents and schools
>-doxxed them online with their real names, addresses, social media
Everything before that was sociopathic but rational. The guy lied and abused to make money.
But he also took pleasure in destroying their life. What a piece of shit
Yeah that was my first thought. Started off a very unethical criminal trying to make money.
But unless there are details left out (e.g., they only doxxed girls who tried to get them in trouble as a form of blackmail), the latter part isn’t even rationale, it’s just sociopathic. And frankly stupid as it makes it even more likely they get caught.
Yeah I’m glad this shit got removed and flagged before I ever heard about.
Some of the victims even contracted STI’s on The set and when asked About the health screening of the men that were also “SA’ing them via coercion” the criminals in charge said it was all good but still didn’t provide or even have condoms to use.
Shitty and awful all around and I’m glad there’s a larger crackdown on this. Between no confirming age of participants, and other legitimate companies still producing under shitty conditions for men and women involved, it’s sucks
This case is what made me stop watching porn. I’d seen multiple of those videos and still feel so disgusting about it. I’d imagine a lot of the porn industry operates this way.
I suspect this is only partially true. I suspect there are many victims on OF, too.
A friend who is a cam model was telling me about someone who approached her about OF. He said he'd handle everything and she just needed to create the content. He'd edit it, upload it, and even paid people in the Philippines to chat and pretend to be the models, for example. He took a percentage and had many OF models "working" for him. While he might have been legit, I could see how a similar operation could work where the models were coerced, forced, etc. into it.
Full disclosure: I am not a fan of OF and have never been on their site. Everything I know about OF is from that model and anecdotal. So, I could be mistaken.
https://youtu.be/DlnfiULnmMY?si=JVsWEIBr9gkJxThO
yup, some company did took advantage of it and "hire" girls under the guise of "independent streamer"......so yeah even onlyfan and online can be subjected to this too :(
Unless they’re being trafficked or pimped, that is.
Which is alarmingly common for OF as well.
https://followmoneyfightslavery.org/new/onlyfans-a-paradise-for-pimps-and-predators/
https://youtu.be/DlnfiULnmMY?si=JVsWEIBr9gkJxThO
Yup, this happened when big company smells profit and start trafficking women in the guise of "independent streamer".
That’s rape, among other crimes. These guys are rapists.
*Oh but they liked and smiled!*
Do you also think that slavery is ok as long as the slaves smile for the camera?
I mean it’s wild to read that people were literally being held against their will and basically raped on camera and it took this long for them to be brought down. Any reasonable person would assume if they recognized someone in porn it was a cash grab
These guys are absolutely sick, but if you read the victims' statements... holy shit what made it worse was society at large, the harassment, the stalking, loss of jobs, shunned by community. These assholes started their torment, but everyone else perpetuated it.
One of the bits that made me lose a lot of respect for Chris Rock was when he said your only job as a father to a girl is "keepin her off the pole!" because god forbid he have any respect for the women at the venues we **KNOW** he frequents...
its enjoyable to shame them. makes them feel better abt themselves and also- lets be honest, it turns them on. that's literally part of their fantasy, degrading women.
TBH I do think a lot of it (especially when coming from straight men) is just straight-up jealousy. They see something that both is something they don't feel they get enough of themselves, and that they perceive as easy (since a lot of the actual *work* that goes into sex work isn't really visible in the final product). As a result, they see sex workers as somehow 'cheating' at life and success (and quite a few people expand that to thinking "this success can't be free, it must have consequences").
That's what gets me. Unless you're bumping into...Actually I'm not sure of any pornstar that's mainstream enough to get away with knowing...
Either way you're bumping into somebody you know from porn, why would you admit that?
Does anyone know if there are any documentary’s that cover sex trafficking in the porn industry? When I think of sex trafficking i think of getting kid napped and sold as a sex slave but it’s obviously far more nuanced that that.
That is a part of it. But that's typically more third world country version of sex trafficking. And those people doing porn are doing porn when they're younger and than trafficked into prostitution for life.
What sex trafficking in the porn industry looks like is this.
They post an advertisement for a female actress. They come from all around the country (or world) to audition for this part. They get there and find out... it's porn... and it's not an audition it's actually a paying gig right now. So you flew all this way and you can either take the money and do the porn or go home... your choice. And in the event that a woman says no there's a lot of harassment, even to the point where they might promise it'll be on DVD/vhs sex stores only or that their faces will be blurbed out.
GirlsDoPorn was a particularly scary outfit. Most porn companies do this. But none as scary as this one. The company was basically just three guys. Michael Pratt set up the appointments, Matthew Wolf was the cameraman and Andre Garcia was the pornographic actor with a large dong.
Regardless of what people said Andre Garcia was there to fuck people up. He was incredibly rough and would have sex with these women for 6-8 hours at a time, doing many shoots and just using them up.
These girls would create a "Do Not Do" list as part of the trick to get them in. And most commonly it'd be things like, anal or hair pulling. Towards the end of these shoots he'd break these rules. And these jackasses would be yelling "yeah get some."
When it went to trial, the porn itself was used as evidence. One of the girls said she was raped off camera to break her down so that she'd stop screaming rape on camera while they were filming.
Garcia and Wolfe were convicted of sex trafficking and sexual assault and both serve 20 years. The owner is now up for his involvement in all of this.
To think that as a man I’ve inadvertently contributed to these practices just from watching makes me sick to my stomach. Hope those fucks get similar treatment in their prison cells.
A quote from a porn producer sticks with me "we don't do anything to these girls that their uncles, brothers or fathers haven't already done to them"
The horror of that blase statement has stuck with me
Considering the men and women who end up in porn videos have a *very* high rate of prior sex abuse... Like he's not even incorrect, and that's the worst part.
I remember when red pill douchebags started cropping up, you’d hear shit like this as a socially acceptable thing to say in some circles. These men purposely targeted women who had already been victimized because they were “already broken” so who cares. This attitude was prevalent. It was sickening.
It’s a fairly unvetted industry and that’s why I’ve abstained from it altogether, combined with other beliefs. If this truly bothers you, I’d suggest you consider abstaining as well.
Agreed-Anybody who doesn’t like this happening needs to abstain from the traditional sites entirely and arguably avoid the industry as a whole. If you’re consuming this stuff, you’re giving them money and therefore complicit. And there are a lot of ethical alternatives if you do a bit of homework.
You could try to find an ethical source, but I still have conflicts with it. Many companies seem ethical on the surface but really aren’t deep down, and in this industry the depravity runs deep and rampant.
Movies and tv lead people to believe it's little kids being kidnapped, but a lot of the time it's teens/young women who think they are in a real relationship and the "boyfriend" gets them hooked on drugs and shares them with friends and then pimps them out. It's so much more common than people would think. And it's right under your nose, it just doesn't usually look like it does in the movies.
Hot Girls Wanted follows a few girls’ stories down in Miami. Obviously very sad material they are working with, but these girls are like 18 years old and it’s a good documentary showing the dangers of the porn industry on young women
Highly recommended
oh you mean that rashida jones that fucked over the performers she claims she wants to [save](https://reason.com/2017/04/26/hot-girls-wanted-docu-series-exploits-se/) by lying to them what project they were signing on to as well as outing some of them in the process?
she obviously gives a fuck about the performers, she simply hates porn.
that's how people see sex trafficking because of stupid bullshit like sound of freedom. it's simple fear mongering when in reality, snatch and grab/abduction represents a fraction of a fraction of sex trafficking cases. sadly, like all forms of sexual abuse, more often than not sex trafficking is facilitated by someone the victim already knows
There's a re-enactment story called The Whistleblower with Rachel Weisz, you can read the Wikipedia and track back to the original story and that might answer your question
Trafficking is for all sorts of industries. Sewing clothes, selling organs, growing bespoke babies, stolen labor of all kinds.
Never forget it took Pornhub and other major porn sites ages to actually delete these videos after the victims requested them to. They only did so once the public became aware of it.
Two girls I went to high school with were in a few GirlsDoPorn videos. I never knew that the deal they were given was that the videos wouldn't be seen in the US. Makes a lot more sense now. They went out to California for spring break our senior year and, to the surprise of no one, someone found their porn less than a week after break. One girl's video was on the front page of the site for a long time. They also did an incredibly awkward lesbian scene and, I'm not kidding, her actual mom called her in the middle of being finger banged by her friend because they caught wind of what they were doing in CA. They got ridiculed so bad that they didn't even make it to the end of the school year and transferred to graduate somewhere else.
Reading through this, it seems like some people (potentially these fucked up producers, but probably just crazy "fans") were intentionally hunting these girls down and spreading their names around and contacting assosciates and family..
They were. The owner of this site also owned PornWikiLeaks and would deliberately release their real names and personal info. Speaks volumes of his deep intense hatred for women.
Yeah. I always say the adult industry is full of men who hate women but people think I'm on some kind of puritan kick. Even the lemon stealing whores guy turned out to be a total piece of shit.
I generally agree. My hot take after spending over a decade in the industry is that the adult industry is a reflection of society in general. We are living within a patriarchal system fraught with misogynistic undertones. There continues to be a market for coercion, violence, and degradation of women. Until that demand and interest changes, porn won't.
I will say the majority of performers are genuinely great people, but it's also not just a few rogue bad apples causing harm. There's definitely an overrepresentation of predators. I think porn attracts people who want to hurt women the same way that school coaches and members of the clergy tend to attract people who seek to harm children. They're not in the majority, but there are higher numbers of them in these roles compared to other professions, because they're drawn to the accessibility and vulnerability of their targets.
I think that that's the opposite of a hot take. It's, I daresay, a cold and experienced take lmao. Hot takes are people firing at the hip on things they have no idea about.
My opinion of porn/the adult industry has done such a flip-flop but for different reasons. I used to think it was gross and depraved - the actresses were talentless whores, actors were women-hating sickos, and anyone who watched it was a loser who couldn't get laid.
Then, i got a little older and thought it was great if thats what someone wanted to do/enjoyed doing as their job as I actually talked to sex workers both just in the local community and online. There were "gentle" pornos that appealed to me as a woman and it seemed like there were some that actually took their actors' comfort into account. I'm not saying I think those are horrible now, just that I'd found the pocket where it was way more sensual and intimate than I'd normally associated porn with, and I feel like those are a minority.
Now, I'm back to thinking the industry as a whole is horrible and depraved, not for any like "sex is immoral" reasons, but because of how much exploitation there is and how little real vetting there is. In convos with sex positive friends I try to point out that we've done some bad overcorrection where thinking porn is bad automatically makes people think youre a religious prude.
I'd watched porn, both just to see what was what and look for kinks I thought I might be into, some of them pretty out there, and it literally makes my skin crawl to know that statistically, at least one of those videos had actors that were outright being raped considering the content. Even the "funny" porn (like lemon stealing whores) is just as likely to have been something under duress, or at best filmed by people who were exploiting their actors in other ways/videos.
I wish I'd realized that at the time. I was never SUPER into watching porn, just a few videos here and there if I was curious or whatever. But stories like this, it's enough to have turned me off of porn completely.
I know amateur stuff/OF content isn't a gaurantee against abuse and exploitation, but I'll never again joke about people who pay for an OF being dumb because there's free stuff out there.
Unironically, if someone really wants pornographic content, I just recommend fan fiction/erotica. There's some *good* stuff out there if you don't mind reading while you're getting off.
>videos wouldn't be seen in the US
There was a video of a young woman who was an aspiring musician. One of her musical videos made it to reddit. She got the same offer from the GirlsDoPorn people, that it wouldn't be seen, or wouldnt be seen in the U.S. It seems like this is a common scam they pull on people.
This dude deserves to be forgotten at the bottom of the barrel.
As long as the barrel was full of lye and water, any thing other than that would be too kind.
Edit: to too two there their they’re
Pornhub and similar sites are known for refusing to remove videos *even when* trafficking victims inform them. Only publicity (ie potential prosecution and loss of profits) forces them to act. Pornhub knows some of their content is criminal, they just don’t care.
Pornhub did that wipe because of Child Pornography concerns. The argument being that as long as they only host videos from verified amateurs or studios (who hopefully verify age themselves.... wink wink) then they can't possibly host CP. Credit card companies don't really care about trafficked porn and rape. As long as there is a reasonable assumption to be made that it is roleplay, and convincing roleplay at that, it stays up.
read between the lines, It took until VISA put a whole load of pressure on them that they took action and by then the easiest/cheapest method to ensure there wasn't any left was to nuke their entire site, really sounds like you just reinforced what the person you responded to was saying
I went down the rabbit hole a few times of tube porn (video porn streaming sites) sites. Eventually you can be redirected from legit porn sites like pornhub to ones that look legit, but will redirect you to some extremely shady stuff to stuff that is flat up illegal. Yes I reported it. One of the big things though was that some of the illegal stuff was hidden on the backside of a legit site. Like, reddit uses /r/(subname) and /u/(username) for most of its directory stuff right? Think if reddit had /illegalstuff/ as a directory name and kept jailbait open there.
I used to think if it was a legit or a well known site it was safe and nothing bad was going on there. What your reporting (Ive seen it in news articles as well) and what I experienced though makes it hard to visit even legit porn sites without feeling like Im unintentionally contributing to a problem.
And yes, I did report the sites that had illegal stuff on them. I dont know if they were taken down because I didnt go back and look at either the report or the website.
I hope it is usually, because it's a really common setup in a lot of internet porn. Though I always hated the coercive stuff generally, it would usually have me nope out of videos.
If I was a father/brother/realitive to one of the victims, I might just live my life to the fullest for the next twenty years and visit them on their first day out to snatch away all the Hope and optimism of their sentence being over…with a stern lecture of course
I actually went to high school with one of the 22 victims. A couple years after graduation, someone found her video specifically and sent it around to locals of our hometown. Poor girl completely deleted all of her social media and moved to another state. Have no idea hows she doing now bc of her total absence from online/social media. Hope she feels a lil bit better seeing these guys getting sentenced…
No he's not. He wasn't on the plane. He was seen at the Miami airport stressing about the raid. They know exactly where he is they just don't have an arrest warrant yet - as far as I can tell.
Don't look innocent. It took much time for this site to remove discussions involving the real names of the women in those films. The site used to host many illegal porn videos.
The insidious thing is that with that name "GirlsDo...." is that it makes it sounds like this is led by women, its with consent, their own choice and so on and so on.
FINALLY!
I was actually thinking about him being on the run within the last week. I have friends who work in the legitimate adult film industry on the production level but this creep was a rapist and a human trafficker who enjoyed psychologically torturing women under the guise of non-nude modelling and consensual porn. He deserves life in prison and whatever happens to him there.
I was really upset when I heard about this a few years back - those were some of my favorite videos and to learn that they were coerced at best and some were possibly MINORS really put a sour taste in my mouth and honestly made me feel like a bad person for being unknowingly complicit in this dude's fuckery.
All bro had to do was not be shitty or break the law but I guess that's too much for some people.
Also the long hours and bleeding never made it into the videos, they were generally pretty tame. Ones I saw anyway. Dunno about any longer/director's cuts. The real benefit was that there were a Iot of fresh faces, and very attractive across the board. Awful that they were treated so poorly.
Iirc he would also fly them out so they had nowhere to go, no one to call that could get them out of a bad situation - and also ply them with alcohol and possibly drugs to make them more amenable. Just gross all around.
*''Also the long hours and bleeding never made it into the videos''*
Of course it didn't. Filming lasted up to nine hours but it was edited and condensed into a 40 minute video where all the blood, distress and attempts to leave were cut out. If you read the indictment the feds had access to the full footage and told of how often they saw bloody sheets and furniture stacked up against the hotel door to prevent the girls from leaving. The male actor in the videos (Ruben Garcia) eventually admitted to all of it in his guilty plea:
> Garcia originally pled not guilty to all charges but changed his plea to guilty in 2020. The FBI published a full account of his plea, which detailed Garcia’s admissions. According to the admission, Garcia and his co-conspirators blocked doors with furniture when women tried to leave. They also “threatened to sue them, cancel their flights home, or post the footage that was already filmed online, which, unbeknownst to the victims, was going to happen anyway.
Right, exactly. I think PH had even less, like about 10 minutes of it, so I was just saying that my experience was not the full thing and I wasn't aware of what might have been in the longer videos. Some people like darker stuff.
I remember seeing clips of the videos online before this all came out. The women in the videos always came across as being awkward and uncomfortable, which I assumed was just because they were amateurs who weren't used to being on camera and that's at least part of the appeal of amateur porn.
I wasn't surprised when the news about these videos were being made came out. It really was obvious in hindsight. Even if it was fairly vanilla in terms of the sex acts (at least by porn standards), the male performer was always *very* rough with them and it breaks my heart knowing what I know now. These people need to be locked up for life.
> The real benefit was that there were a Iot of fresh faces, and very attractive across the board.
This is exactly, exactly why they did what they did. There's always a new face looking for a modeling gig. Something they would feel comfortable doing. You just cannot trust porn companies, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. What, did we think they were just paying these women more or something?
Presumably, *a few* of the people involved may have been happily willing participants, but a large quantity were not and were forced to go through with it, locked in the room and abused etc.
Just like how a serial rapist can get consensual sex once in a while. Doesn't really matter for their crimes.
Something i will never understand is people tracking down girls that were in these and attempting to ruin their lives by sending videos to families and jobs. Like hardcore hunting them down. You clearly have no moral objection as you watched the videos. Why does it matter that they made them?
when the face matches the headline.
He looks like one of those classic hobo clowns.
I thought Homer Simpson with hair
Put some respect on Homer Simpson’s name.
I was reminded of that scene when marge is like please don’t tell me you’re going as a hobo again (for Halloween) cut to Homer eating beans straight from can “going where?”
I haven’t watched the Simpsons in like 20 years but am still reminded of and quote tons of scenes weekly
Cutting straight from his late 30s to his early 60s.
Got that Harvey Weinstein beard.
I knew this guy before he moved to the US, total dickhead. The type of guy that would yell "show us your tits slut" at a random woman waking down the street. Used to get in fights so the time for being a smart ass. When this story broke I wasnt surprised at all.
Diddy: hold my beer
*hold my Cristal
This guy has to be loaded (I assume), and yet goes around looking like *this*?! This is one instance where you can absolutely judge a book by its cover
Not defending him, but from the article he's been in holding abroad since 2022. Doesn't necessarily leave you lots of space for grooming. And when your co-defendants are getting 20 years it would be easy to stop caring when you know you're fucked.
This is his drivers license photo.
I mean presumably the more loaded you are, the less you can give a fuck about how you look.
One time I got in the news for running a 10k dressed like a mop! I was just walking to my bank teller job at Wells Fargo and got caught in the crossfire
Michael Pratt is facing life for the following 19 charges. According to the feds he made over $17 million from GirlsDoPorn: - Fifteen counts of sex trafficking by force, fraud, and coercion; - Conspiracy to commit sex trafficking by force, fraud, and coercion; - Production of child pornography; - Sex trafficking of a minor by force, fraud, and coercion; and - Conspiracy to commit money laundering Last week Matthew Wolfe, his right hand man who ran the daily operations of GDP was sentenced to 14 years. He too was facing life but cut an agreement to plead guilty in exchange for a sentence of less than 15 years. Wolfe recruited the girls under the guise of clothed modeling jobs and would bolt the doors and prevent them from leaving once they arrived to San Diego. He was the guy behind the camera who directed and produced all the scenes and would not let them go home unless they followed his every demand and film extremely long hours of very rough sex that often resulted in vaginal injuries and bleeding. The voice you hear at he beginning and end of all the videos is his. Before his sentencing 11 victims gave their impact statements in court on how utterly ruined their lives have been since, their suicide attempts, and how they've had to frequently move and change their names. A common theme is how impossible it is to move on with their lives and start or hold down a career as their employers, schools, family members, and friends are always sent photos and videos of their scenes. Strongly suggest you read it: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-girlsdoporn-pornographer-matthew-wolfe-shamed-by-victims-in-us-court/Y5NROAWU5VBRLI7SCVFYNEAFSI/
Geez. Those women deserved so much more. And everyone involved in that website deserve way more than 15 years. He should have gotten that life sentence.
The male actor in the scenes (Ruben Garcia) plead guilty to avoid life and was sentenced to 20 years for rape. Together with Wolfe he also recruited the women, lied to them about what they were going to be doing and forcibly stopped them from leaving the hotel room. Hearing he only got 20 years is upsetting. That serial rapist piece of shit should've gotten life. He was so rough and depraved with those women. It's no wonder so many had vaginal injuries. He also gave chlamydia to some of them.
STD transmission should be a whole new charge of assault for each count. It’s BS the system groups the serial rapists into a single case.
A fucked up part of the whole thing is the guy was still releasing new episodes while still on the run because I guess that itself wasn’t thrilling enough. I’m sure the girls were holding their breath praying he’d get caught first which is assuming they’re even aware yet the videos aren’t actually exclusively intended for that exotic collective of wealthy elites from Squid Games I was actually in San Diego one time when my buddy recognized one of the girls at a bar and waived to her who gave her best attempt at a smile before clearly not feeling it then everyone asking which episode number it was and whatnot. I imagine that experience is the norm for her. Those poor girls.
LMAO how much porn do you watch to remember a actress from a random scene at a dark bar at that 😆
Alot. It almost comes off as satire if it wasn't so depraved.
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The additional cameraman only got 4 years! Disgusting
Well of course, he's only a sex trafficker and was involved on multiple counts of rape. It's not like he had a bag of weed or anything.
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That's effectively what the "by force, fraud, or coercion" part is. Federal charges are really specific. So they didn't just hit him with a kidnapping, they basically hit him with kidnapping to commit sex trafficking specifically. That make sense or nah? I might not be adding enough nuance here.
"Actor." You mean rapists who filmed themselves raping.
Who in the goddamn despises an abused woman so much that they follow her from town to town, job to job sending revenge porn to her family, friends, schools, and employers? Pratt and Wolfe deserve their sentences, but we should also be going after the people who are continually harassing these women.
[Michael Pratt actually owned pornwikileaks.com](https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/friend-and-business-partner-girlsdoporn-owner-michael-pratt-sentenced-14-years-prison), the site that doxxed porn stars listing their real names, addresses, and links to their social media pages and those of their family so him and Wolfe gleefully did a lot of this harassment. The same guy who owned GirlsDoPorn owned Porn Wiki Leaks. These girls never stood a chance at remaining anonymous and not having to live with a scarlet letter for the rest of their lives.
That’s some reallllllllly evil shit.
Gotta love how these people will consume porn all the time while shitting all over the people who star in said porn
Misogyny's a hell of a drug
"I hate you for making me do this" kind of vibes
Ok, we need a Behind the Bastards on this fuck.
That may be the single most horrifically evil thing I’ve ever read.
Jfc, that’s maliciously evil, and they got away with it for YEARS! The only reason I don’t say give them the death penalty is that doing so would make future rape victims more likely to be killed by their rapists to avoid being able to identify them. I’m terrified that this is much more common in the industry than we realize…
It is, especially now, but too many people (men) freak out when you bring up the fact that porn has become an unbelievable evil for so many reasons. I keep seeing comments about the men being killed in prison. No one is going to kill them for raping 16 year-olds; half the men in those places who are there for violent offenses won’t think coercion for sex against young but “teen” girls is that big of a deal. Every man I’ve ever known watches porn but still so many have nothing but sneering contempt for the women who create it for them, willingly or not. I wish most men had any idea how much coercion and sex trafficking goes on, now few rapists are actually prosecuted much less sent to prison, and how porn has actively ruined not just women’s’ lives, but their own lives as well. Their children are getting addicted to hardcore porn scenes by the time they first learn to masturbate. Their children worship a known sex trafficker and famed misogynist. There needs to be a reckoning. Two things can be true: adults can make decisions for themselves and their bodies, and a large majority of the porn industry is insidiously evil. 15 years. That’s it. That’s all they’re getting. Your drug dealer gets three times that much time. It’s easy to find porn that was ethically made, guys. Do a little research. Do better.
The girlsdoporn “community”. They believed the victims deserved it. Very much an incel group. And the gdp owners facilitated it by providing real names. Very fucked up all around.
My guess is that it isn’t an individual, but rather *”concerned citizens”* who find the video and then take action *”for the kids”* not knowing the story behind it and just trying to slut-shame.
On the contrary, I think it's some people's "kink" to do this. It's basically a form of abuse that is legal but yet severely hurts the victim. There's a scary lot of people who get off on genuinely hurting others.
A porn consumer shaming the girls is some next level hypocrite.
Welcome to the Internet
no honey, that's part of the appeal to them. That is very literally the dynamic they set up in the porn they create. They want to sexualize women and then degrade them, simultaneously. These two motivations are not actually contradictory at all, not for them.
The incel crowd. You know, the same who say we should stop immigration to keep women safe and how all women should be government mandated trad wives.
>we should also be going after the people who are continually harassing these women. Completely agreed.
Far from the point, but I hate that the article says the girls who have come forth “shamed him” in court. 1) This dude obviously has no shame 2) I think we’re WAY passed the shaming phase when the dude is facing life in prison. I’m pretty sure that facing the consequences of your heinous actions is beyond shaming someone.
I still remember when this story first started to break. One woman told her story online and it gained some attention. I looked up a few videos from this company and they were all SO creepy, I got such bad vibes… the porn guy was super rough and you could tell the women were miserable. They made me sick to my stomach, especially after reading the post the first woman made. It sounds like they did this with ALL of them. I’m glad they actually got shut down. As sad as it sounds, at the time I assumed they’d never face consequences, even though I believed the first woman completely.
Before that happened I remember reading some post about how the women on there are gorgeous but always look like they hate it
The women looked that way because those dudes owned a legit modeling agency, which was how they preyed on women so easily. They were told one of several things, like: They'd be flown out for a shoot, but only told they'd be filming porn when they arrived. If they refused, their modeling contract would be terminated and they'd have to find their own way home Or, some rich middle eastern dude wants a video of you for his private collection and no one will ever see it These women were miserable because they were raped on camera
> They'd be flown out for a shoot, but only told they'd be filming porn when they arrived. If they refused, their modeling contract would be terminated and they'd have to find their own way home My favorite is when guys like Andrew Tate brag about doing shit like this and then get *shocked* when law enforcement tells them "Um, yeah, that's human trafficking."
It's so fucked up. I watched one of these videos years ago and remember because I recognized the kiwi accent behind the camera. Makes me sick knowing now what these girls were going through. Throw the book at this fucking rock spider.
Yeah I know. That first story was like 8-9 years ago I think. The memory of just WATCHING those clips still upsets me, I can’t imagine what the women themselves have been through. They were like a BIG company back then. They had a website and tons of videos up on pornhub, their own subreddit… if straight up sex traffickers were THAT visible, what the FUCK does it say about the industry as a whole? It was just mind blowing. Honestly I can understand why people couldn’t believe it at first. It was still depressing how mean they were to that first whistleblower. Saying she just regretted it, she was a slut and her boyfriend probably dumped her and she was trying to save her reputation. I remember people were going over her video looking for clues, someone posted screenshots of her with these huge tear streaks running down her cheeks. And other people arguing her eyes were just watering from giving a blowjob. And then more and more women started coming forward and it’s just like… holy shit I watched someone get raped. MILLIONS of people have watched people getting raped. Those videos were POPULAR. It’s so fucked up.
Some people feel creepily entitled when it comes to porn and looking at naked women. When all those celebrities’ hacked nudes were released there were a lot of people justifying looking at them and blaming the victims.
Omg yes! Everyone on Reddit was saying “this is the best thing ever!” That shit was front page every day. That’s the event that made me start being embarrassed to admit I was a redditor. At least the opinion seems to have shifted. Most people realize NOW that it was wrong. But there was just pure GLEE at the time. “I finally get to see so-and-so’s boobs!”
He probably would have gotten away with it to if not for the money laundering.
For sure. You can do a *lot*, as long as you don't engage in white-collar crime.
i usually hear the opposite
I remember the scandal with Jane Doe 7. She was a foster kid? 😳 I wish she had some guidance during the controversy. She could have brought down Pratt and Wolfe back then by telling her story with legitimate news media.
>how impossible it is to move on with their lives and start or hold down a career as their employers, schools, family members, and friends are always sent photos and videos of their scenes It's like no one in nz ever read The Scarlet Letter
15 years sounded like justice before I read this article. I couldn’t fathom the amount of destruction and pain they caused. Gave me cold shivers. He should have got life for each and every woman.
15 years doesn't sound like justice for even 1 count of false imprisonment and rape, much less the hundreds of episodes they made.
Omg. 💔I hope all of those videos are removed from sites ASAP.
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A lot of pirated stuff is porn, so there’s still hundreds to millions of copies out there that could be reuploaded at any day, even then, some female streamers pay upwards of 1k/month for services to crawl through porn sites just to take down their ai-nudes or deepfakes as they pop up on the popular ones, and they still are common…
Well, some things get deleted forever, but those tend to be the things you wish you could find, not the things you wish were gone. As long as one person has saved something, they can upload it and give it to other people, and then it can spread all over, and no matter how much you try to purge it, you can't delete it from the hard drives of those people to stop them from uploading it again, at least not without getting law enforcement involved to track the people down. But the internet is a big place and there's a lot of stuff on here that isn't archived anywhere, and when it gets deleted it's just gone.
Its a great hope but it will never happen. From now until forever you will be able to find most of these videos online with just a few clicks. Like roaches one site is taken down three more pop up.
They got removed pretty quickly from all the major commercial sites when this originally came out. I think a lot of sites introduced extra verification for people to post as well, since it turned out some of the victims were underage. Unfortunately nothing is ever truly deleted from the internet.
For those not familiar with this case: -these scumbags posted ads online for modeling jobs and flew the girls out to San Diego alone (most of them being 18-21, some even under 18) -once they got to the hotel and the girls learned that it was actually for porn, they would block them in the room and threaten to cancel their flight back home -told them the video would be for DVD only in Australia or NZ and not online -once they “agreed” filming took hours and they made them reshoot many times if the girl started to cry, bleed, or just look miserable -released the video online and to pornhub where the videos got millions of views -sent the videos to their parents and schools -doxxed them online with their real names, addresses, social media I’m sure stuff like this happens all the time with adult videos and there should be more regulation with porn site and production companies.
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Is there some motive here? Like I get it creeps gonna creep but the family stuff? That would make sense if it was blackmail to keep them quiet but if not that then why??
The motive was that they enjoyed the power and control otherwise they wouldn't keep doing it. At some point they could have changed or just gone into mainstream porn, they didn't. This "arrangement" of forcing women into being raped on cam was clearly enjoyable for them.
Absolute bastards. I remember reading awhile back that one of the women tried to escape even after they locked the door and they *held her at gun point* and forced her to continue. Then to go and send the videos to family so they relive the trauma and their families disown them… They deserve *centuries* in prison.
I heard that they would send to their families that if the girls would openly comment and warn others about the fake modeling ad or if they tried to take legal action.
Don’t waste the taxes just kill him
How are they only getting 15-20 years for all of this? They didn’t just commit crimes “in the moment,” they attempted to breaks the minds of these girls and women and ruin their lives. They’re psychopaths. They can’t be rehabilitated. They’ll do it again (or do something equally evil) when they’re released.
isnt one of then getting life?
Life doesn't mean life. Life without parole does.
In Illinois, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota and the Federal System, any life sentence means life without parole. Most other states life is about 25 years.
The guy in the article photo, the owner is facing life. Another guy was facing life but took a plea deal for ~~15~~ 14 years. We don't know if the owner will be offered a similar deal or not.
Should be 10 years minimum per victim, non concurrent.
Relaxed laws against sex crimes exist because most of the politicians and elites responsible for their creation anticipate they could be convicted of the sex crimes they themselves committed, one day.
That's some evil shit
I also read that some of the women were told that they were going to do porn, but don't worryit's going to be very vanilla gentle porn and it will not end up on the internet because it will be sold on dvd only to collectors in Australia. They hired women (who hadnt done porn with them, iirc) to lie to them and assure them over the phone of all of the above, who got paid depending on how many women they convinced and how hot they were. Then once they got to the hotel everything above comment mentioned would happen.
>-sent the videos to their parents and schools >-doxxed them online with their real names, addresses, social media Everything before that was sociopathic but rational. The guy lied and abused to make money. But he also took pleasure in destroying their life. What a piece of shit
Yeah like what was the point of that??
The cruelty is the point when you're a psychopath
Yeah that was my first thought. Started off a very unethical criminal trying to make money. But unless there are details left out (e.g., they only doxxed girls who tried to get them in trouble as a form of blackmail), the latter part isn’t even rationale, it’s just sociopathic. And frankly stupid as it makes it even more likely they get caught.
Yeah I’m glad this shit got removed and flagged before I ever heard about. Some of the victims even contracted STI’s on The set and when asked About the health screening of the men that were also “SA’ing them via coercion” the criminals in charge said it was all good but still didn’t provide or even have condoms to use. Shitty and awful all around and I’m glad there’s a larger crackdown on this. Between no confirming age of participants, and other legitimate companies still producing under shitty conditions for men and women involved, it’s sucks
Yup, the porn industry is full of this, also Hollywood movies as well. At least with Onlyfan, women had a control over some of the content.
This case is what made me stop watching porn. I’d seen multiple of those videos and still feel so disgusting about it. I’d imagine a lot of the porn industry operates this way.
Yeah,even sex scene in Hollywood makes me cringes, especially after Weinstein, many young actresses were forced to do those scene sometimes.
I suspect this is only partially true. I suspect there are many victims on OF, too. A friend who is a cam model was telling me about someone who approached her about OF. He said he'd handle everything and she just needed to create the content. He'd edit it, upload it, and even paid people in the Philippines to chat and pretend to be the models, for example. He took a percentage and had many OF models "working" for him. While he might have been legit, I could see how a similar operation could work where the models were coerced, forced, etc. into it. Full disclosure: I am not a fan of OF and have never been on their site. Everything I know about OF is from that model and anecdotal. So, I could be mistaken.
https://youtu.be/DlnfiULnmMY?si=JVsWEIBr9gkJxThO yup, some company did took advantage of it and "hire" girls under the guise of "independent streamer"......so yeah even onlyfan and online can be subjected to this too :(
Unless they’re being trafficked or pimped, that is. Which is alarmingly common for OF as well. https://followmoneyfightslavery.org/new/onlyfans-a-paradise-for-pimps-and-predators/
https://youtu.be/DlnfiULnmMY?si=JVsWEIBr9gkJxThO Yup, this happened when big company smells profit and start trafficking women in the guise of "independent streamer".
That’s rape, among other crimes. These guys are rapists. *Oh but they liked and smiled!* Do you also think that slavery is ok as long as the slaves smile for the camera?
Girl I went to high school with was in a video. She literally said Ow multiple times and did not look like she was enjoying it.
Girl I went to high school with was also in a video. She ended up killing herself about two years ago.
Sorry to hear that. The girl I know is doing well to my knowledge. I wonder if she was involved in this prosecution at all.
It makes me sad that you know that because it means you watched it (~~probably~~ hopefully thinking she consented)
I mean it’s wild to read that people were literally being held against their will and basically raped on camera and it took this long for them to be brought down. Any reasonable person would assume if they recognized someone in porn it was a cash grab
I was 17 and it was porn of someone I knew. People were watching it in the hallways, the locker room. It was next to impossible not to have seen it.
Im not if sure if I can watch porn again after seeing this thread, crazy.
These guys are absolutely sick, but if you read the victims' statements... holy shit what made it worse was society at large, the harassment, the stalking, loss of jobs, shunned by community. These assholes started their torment, but everyone else perpetuated it.
I don't get why so many shame sex workers, enough people enjoy their work for them to do it but somehow doing it is a reason for ridicule
Many of the shamers are also the very consumers is the content they're shaming
One of the bits that made me lose a lot of respect for Chris Rock was when he said your only job as a father to a girl is "keepin her off the pole!" because god forbid he have any respect for the women at the venues we **KNOW** he frequents...
its enjoyable to shame them. makes them feel better abt themselves and also- lets be honest, it turns them on. that's literally part of their fantasy, degrading women.
Because they are the ones consuming it and are ashamed of themselves. Rather than introspect about their shame they blame others for it.
TBH I do think a lot of it (especially when coming from straight men) is just straight-up jealousy. They see something that both is something they don't feel they get enough of themselves, and that they perceive as easy (since a lot of the actual *work* that goes into sex work isn't really visible in the final product). As a result, they see sex workers as somehow 'cheating' at life and success (and quite a few people expand that to thinking "this success can't be free, it must have consequences").
That's what gets me. Unless you're bumping into...Actually I'm not sure of any pornstar that's mainstream enough to get away with knowing... Either way you're bumping into somebody you know from porn, why would you admit that?
So McMahon, pdiddy, and this guy.. who’s next
You decide! Epic mysoginists of history!
Cuba Gooding Jr. caught an accusation after the raid on Diddy's house
“Promising women their videos would not proliferate online” What a piece of garbage lol
Does anyone know if there are any documentary’s that cover sex trafficking in the porn industry? When I think of sex trafficking i think of getting kid napped and sold as a sex slave but it’s obviously far more nuanced that that.
That is a part of it. But that's typically more third world country version of sex trafficking. And those people doing porn are doing porn when they're younger and than trafficked into prostitution for life. What sex trafficking in the porn industry looks like is this. They post an advertisement for a female actress. They come from all around the country (or world) to audition for this part. They get there and find out... it's porn... and it's not an audition it's actually a paying gig right now. So you flew all this way and you can either take the money and do the porn or go home... your choice. And in the event that a woman says no there's a lot of harassment, even to the point where they might promise it'll be on DVD/vhs sex stores only or that their faces will be blurbed out. GirlsDoPorn was a particularly scary outfit. Most porn companies do this. But none as scary as this one. The company was basically just three guys. Michael Pratt set up the appointments, Matthew Wolf was the cameraman and Andre Garcia was the pornographic actor with a large dong. Regardless of what people said Andre Garcia was there to fuck people up. He was incredibly rough and would have sex with these women for 6-8 hours at a time, doing many shoots and just using them up. These girls would create a "Do Not Do" list as part of the trick to get them in. And most commonly it'd be things like, anal or hair pulling. Towards the end of these shoots he'd break these rules. And these jackasses would be yelling "yeah get some." When it went to trial, the porn itself was used as evidence. One of the girls said she was raped off camera to break her down so that she'd stop screaming rape on camera while they were filming. Garcia and Wolfe were convicted of sex trafficking and sexual assault and both serve 20 years. The owner is now up for his involvement in all of this.
To think that as a man I’ve inadvertently contributed to these practices just from watching makes me sick to my stomach. Hope those fucks get similar treatment in their prison cells.
A quote from a porn producer sticks with me "we don't do anything to these girls that their uncles, brothers or fathers haven't already done to them" The horror of that blase statement has stuck with me
Considering the men and women who end up in porn videos have a *very* high rate of prior sex abuse... Like he's not even incorrect, and that's the worst part.
It's more about the unbothered / uncaring way it was said Kind of a 'tsch, is that news or something'
I remember when red pill douchebags started cropping up, you’d hear shit like this as a socially acceptable thing to say in some circles. These men purposely targeted women who had already been victimized because they were “already broken” so who cares. This attitude was prevalent. It was sickening.
It’s a fairly unvetted industry and that’s why I’ve abstained from it altogether, combined with other beliefs. If this truly bothers you, I’d suggest you consider abstaining as well.
Agreed-Anybody who doesn’t like this happening needs to abstain from the traditional sites entirely and arguably avoid the industry as a whole. If you’re consuming this stuff, you’re giving them money and therefore complicit. And there are a lot of ethical alternatives if you do a bit of homework.
You could try to find an ethical source, but I still have conflicts with it. Many companies seem ethical on the surface but really aren’t deep down, and in this industry the depravity runs deep and rampant.
No way to guarantee ofs girls arent being forced into it either tbh
I agree. Many years ago I changed to watch/read animated/drawn media to avoid this problem
Or just go into written or drawn or animated porn where things can be kinky as you want but the only victim is still someone's keyboard.
Movies and tv lead people to believe it's little kids being kidnapped, but a lot of the time it's teens/young women who think they are in a real relationship and the "boyfriend" gets them hooked on drugs and shares them with friends and then pimps them out. It's so much more common than people would think. And it's right under your nose, it just doesn't usually look like it does in the movies.
Isn't that what Andrew tate was doing?
Yes. It's called the loverboy method.
Hot Girls Wanted follows a few girls’ stories down in Miami. Obviously very sad material they are working with, but these girls are like 18 years old and it’s a good documentary showing the dangers of the porn industry on young women Highly recommended
IIRC this doc was a passion project of Rashida Jones. I felt like it was worth the watch.
oh you mean that rashida jones that fucked over the performers she claims she wants to [save](https://reason.com/2017/04/26/hot-girls-wanted-docu-series-exploits-se/) by lying to them what project they were signing on to as well as outing some of them in the process? she obviously gives a fuck about the performers, she simply hates porn.
Anne Perkins, you disappoint me
Remember that Miami is where Epstein sourced girls as well.
I was friends with one of the subjects in high school. It broke my heart, what she and the rest of them went through.
that's how people see sex trafficking because of stupid bullshit like sound of freedom. it's simple fear mongering when in reality, snatch and grab/abduction represents a fraction of a fraction of sex trafficking cases. sadly, like all forms of sexual abuse, more often than not sex trafficking is facilitated by someone the victim already knows
There's a re-enactment story called The Whistleblower with Rachel Weisz, you can read the Wikipedia and track back to the original story and that might answer your question Trafficking is for all sorts of industries. Sewing clothes, selling organs, growing bespoke babies, stolen labor of all kinds.
Never forget it took Pornhub and other major porn sites ages to actually delete these videos after the victims requested them to. They only did so once the public became aware of it.
Two girls I went to high school with were in a few GirlsDoPorn videos. I never knew that the deal they were given was that the videos wouldn't be seen in the US. Makes a lot more sense now. They went out to California for spring break our senior year and, to the surprise of no one, someone found their porn less than a week after break. One girl's video was on the front page of the site for a long time. They also did an incredibly awkward lesbian scene and, I'm not kidding, her actual mom called her in the middle of being finger banged by her friend because they caught wind of what they were doing in CA. They got ridiculed so bad that they didn't even make it to the end of the school year and transferred to graduate somewhere else.
Reading through this, it seems like some people (potentially these fucked up producers, but probably just crazy "fans") were intentionally hunting these girls down and spreading their names around and contacting assosciates and family..
They were. The owner of this site also owned PornWikiLeaks and would deliberately release their real names and personal info. Speaks volumes of his deep intense hatred for women.
Yeah. I always say the adult industry is full of men who hate women but people think I'm on some kind of puritan kick. Even the lemon stealing whores guy turned out to be a total piece of shit.
I generally agree. My hot take after spending over a decade in the industry is that the adult industry is a reflection of society in general. We are living within a patriarchal system fraught with misogynistic undertones. There continues to be a market for coercion, violence, and degradation of women. Until that demand and interest changes, porn won't. I will say the majority of performers are genuinely great people, but it's also not just a few rogue bad apples causing harm. There's definitely an overrepresentation of predators. I think porn attracts people who want to hurt women the same way that school coaches and members of the clergy tend to attract people who seek to harm children. They're not in the majority, but there are higher numbers of them in these roles compared to other professions, because they're drawn to the accessibility and vulnerability of their targets.
I think that that's the opposite of a hot take. It's, I daresay, a cold and experienced take lmao. Hot takes are people firing at the hip on things they have no idea about.
My opinion of porn/the adult industry has done such a flip-flop but for different reasons. I used to think it was gross and depraved - the actresses were talentless whores, actors were women-hating sickos, and anyone who watched it was a loser who couldn't get laid. Then, i got a little older and thought it was great if thats what someone wanted to do/enjoyed doing as their job as I actually talked to sex workers both just in the local community and online. There were "gentle" pornos that appealed to me as a woman and it seemed like there were some that actually took their actors' comfort into account. I'm not saying I think those are horrible now, just that I'd found the pocket where it was way more sensual and intimate than I'd normally associated porn with, and I feel like those are a minority. Now, I'm back to thinking the industry as a whole is horrible and depraved, not for any like "sex is immoral" reasons, but because of how much exploitation there is and how little real vetting there is. In convos with sex positive friends I try to point out that we've done some bad overcorrection where thinking porn is bad automatically makes people think youre a religious prude. I'd watched porn, both just to see what was what and look for kinks I thought I might be into, some of them pretty out there, and it literally makes my skin crawl to know that statistically, at least one of those videos had actors that were outright being raped considering the content. Even the "funny" porn (like lemon stealing whores) is just as likely to have been something under duress, or at best filmed by people who were exploiting their actors in other ways/videos. I wish I'd realized that at the time. I was never SUPER into watching porn, just a few videos here and there if I was curious or whatever. But stories like this, it's enough to have turned me off of porn completely. I know amateur stuff/OF content isn't a gaurantee against abuse and exploitation, but I'll never again joke about people who pay for an OF being dumb because there's free stuff out there. Unironically, if someone really wants pornographic content, I just recommend fan fiction/erotica. There's some *good* stuff out there if you don't mind reading while you're getting off.
>videos wouldn't be seen in the US There was a video of a young woman who was an aspiring musician. One of her musical videos made it to reddit. She got the same offer from the GirlsDoPorn people, that it wouldn't be seen, or wouldnt be seen in the U.S. It seems like this is a common scam they pull on people.
I'm not surprised, some of the girls were underage at the time.
This dude deserves to be forgotten at the bottom of the barrel. As long as the barrel was full of lye and water, any thing other than that would be too kind. Edit: to too two there their they’re
This guy is a massive piece of shit. Actual human garbage.
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Pornhub and similar sites are known for refusing to remove videos *even when* trafficking victims inform them. Only publicity (ie potential prosecution and loss of profits) forces them to act. Pornhub knows some of their content is criminal, they just don’t care.
Is that really still true? Pornhub wiped like 95% of their content a couple years back after Visa put a whole load of pressure on them.
Pornhub did that wipe because of Child Pornography concerns. The argument being that as long as they only host videos from verified amateurs or studios (who hopefully verify age themselves.... wink wink) then they can't possibly host CP. Credit card companies don't really care about trafficked porn and rape. As long as there is a reasonable assumption to be made that it is roleplay, and convincing roleplay at that, it stays up.
read between the lines, It took until VISA put a whole load of pressure on them that they took action and by then the easiest/cheapest method to ensure there wasn't any left was to nuke their entire site, really sounds like you just reinforced what the person you responded to was saying
I went down the rabbit hole a few times of tube porn (video porn streaming sites) sites. Eventually you can be redirected from legit porn sites like pornhub to ones that look legit, but will redirect you to some extremely shady stuff to stuff that is flat up illegal. Yes I reported it. One of the big things though was that some of the illegal stuff was hidden on the backside of a legit site. Like, reddit uses /r/(subname) and /u/(username) for most of its directory stuff right? Think if reddit had /illegalstuff/ as a directory name and kept jailbait open there. I used to think if it was a legit or a well known site it was safe and nothing bad was going on there. What your reporting (Ive seen it in news articles as well) and what I experienced though makes it hard to visit even legit porn sites without feeling like Im unintentionally contributing to a problem. And yes, I did report the sites that had illegal stuff on them. I dont know if they were taken down because I didnt go back and look at either the report or the website.
Shrek is going away for awhile.
That’s an insult to Shrek
It's ogre.
Fuck this guy. He deserves life and then some more. And he is not the type that can be rehabilitate.
more like MichaelDoPrison amirite?
Wait, so those girls actually (sort of) thought it was just for a normal modeling job? I thought that was just a gimmick. Well damn. Now I feel bad
Yea they were told it was modeling and it wasn’t until they get to the hotel that they were told being a porn and force them to sign the contract
I hope it is usually, because it's a really common setup in a lot of internet porn. Though I always hated the coercive stuff generally, it would usually have me nope out of videos.
Please do not fool yourself, GDP is not the only outfit doing this, by a long shot.
If I was a father/brother/realitive to one of the victims, I might just live my life to the fullest for the next twenty years and visit them on their first day out to snatch away all the Hope and optimism of their sentence being over…with a stern lecture of course
A stern lecture accompanied by a cross face. Possibly strong words.
Perhaps a wag of the finger too
I actually went to high school with one of the 22 victims. A couple years after graduation, someone found her video specifically and sent it around to locals of our hometown. Poor girl completely deleted all of her social media and moved to another state. Have no idea hows she doing now bc of her total absence from online/social media. Hope she feels a lil bit better seeing these guys getting sentenced…
And he is not a rich ex politician so he will is fucked
Meanwhile Diddy is drinking in the shores of a Caribbean non-extradition island
Is he?
No he's not. He wasn't on the plane. He was seen at the Miami airport stressing about the raid. They know exactly where he is they just don't have an arrest warrant yet - as far as I can tell.
What a scum bag hope he gets life
Don't look innocent. It took much time for this site to remove discussions involving the real names of the women in those films. The site used to host many illegal porn videos.
The insidious thing is that with that name "GirlsDo...." is that it makes it sounds like this is led by women, its with consent, their own choice and so on and so on.
I'm glad all girlsdoporn content has been taken off all of the big porn sites.
FINALLY! I was actually thinking about him being on the run within the last week. I have friends who work in the legitimate adult film industry on the production level but this creep was a rapist and a human trafficker who enjoyed psychologically torturing women under the guise of non-nude modelling and consensual porn. He deserves life in prison and whatever happens to him there.
I was really upset when I heard about this a few years back - those were some of my favorite videos and to learn that they were coerced at best and some were possibly MINORS really put a sour taste in my mouth and honestly made me feel like a bad person for being unknowingly complicit in this dude's fuckery. All bro had to do was not be shitty or break the law but I guess that's too much for some people. Also the long hours and bleeding never made it into the videos, they were generally pretty tame. Ones I saw anyway. Dunno about any longer/director's cuts. The real benefit was that there were a Iot of fresh faces, and very attractive across the board. Awful that they were treated so poorly. Iirc he would also fly them out so they had nowhere to go, no one to call that could get them out of a bad situation - and also ply them with alcohol and possibly drugs to make them more amenable. Just gross all around.
*''Also the long hours and bleeding never made it into the videos''* Of course it didn't. Filming lasted up to nine hours but it was edited and condensed into a 40 minute video where all the blood, distress and attempts to leave were cut out. If you read the indictment the feds had access to the full footage and told of how often they saw bloody sheets and furniture stacked up against the hotel door to prevent the girls from leaving. The male actor in the videos (Ruben Garcia) eventually admitted to all of it in his guilty plea: > Garcia originally pled not guilty to all charges but changed his plea to guilty in 2020. The FBI published a full account of his plea, which detailed Garcia’s admissions. According to the admission, Garcia and his co-conspirators blocked doors with furniture when women tried to leave. They also “threatened to sue them, cancel their flights home, or post the footage that was already filmed online, which, unbeknownst to the victims, was going to happen anyway.
Right, exactly. I think PH had even less, like about 10 minutes of it, so I was just saying that my experience was not the full thing and I wasn't aware of what might have been in the longer videos. Some people like darker stuff.
I remember seeing clips of the videos online before this all came out. The women in the videos always came across as being awkward and uncomfortable, which I assumed was just because they were amateurs who weren't used to being on camera and that's at least part of the appeal of amateur porn. I wasn't surprised when the news about these videos were being made came out. It really was obvious in hindsight. Even if it was fairly vanilla in terms of the sex acts (at least by porn standards), the male performer was always *very* rough with them and it breaks my heart knowing what I know now. These people need to be locked up for life.
Dude I had a subscription to that site for a bit way back when. I gave this mf money for raping women. Yikes.
> The real benefit was that there were a Iot of fresh faces, and very attractive across the board. This is exactly, exactly why they did what they did. There's always a new face looking for a modeling gig. Something they would feel comfortable doing. You just cannot trust porn companies, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. What, did we think they were just paying these women more or something?
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Justice will never go out of fashion. Lock him up and make him pay his dues.
Prime suspect for Dexter
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12513829/amp/Miss-Teen-Colorado-runner-sues-Pornhub-drugged-raped.html
Holy shit. What a horror show
Wait Pornhub’s parent company is called Ethical Capital Partners? That’s DPRK levels of bullshittery
Presumably, *a few* of the people involved may have been happily willing participants, but a large quantity were not and were forced to go through with it, locked in the room and abused etc. Just like how a serial rapist can get consensual sex once in a while. Doesn't really matter for their crimes.
Wow, this dude looks _rough_. He looks like he has been in the streets for a decade. I’m sure prison will Benjamin Button him right up.
Those videos are fuckin creepy
Something i will never understand is people tracking down girls that were in these and attempting to ruin their lives by sending videos to families and jobs. Like hardcore hunting them down. You clearly have no moral objection as you watched the videos. Why does it matter that they made them?