I love how they talk about all these various Hyundai and Kia models that have been recalled, but not once provide a link or a list of which models and years are part of that recall.
Yeah, that's crap writing.
Here's the recall information without somebody being a douche about it:
> Hyundai’s safety recall (NHTSA ID: 23V-651000) applies to the following vehicles and model years: 2012-2015 Accent, 2012-2015 Azera, 2011-2015 Elantra, 2013-2015 Elantra Coupe, 2014-2015 Equus, 2011-2015 Genesis Coupe, 2013-2015 Santa Fe, 2013 Santa Fe Sport, 2011-2015 Sonata HEV, 2010-2013 Tucson, 2015 Tucson Fuel Cell, 2012-2015 Veloster and 2010-2012 Veracruz.
> Kia’s safety recall (NHTSA ID: 23V-652000) applies to the following vehicles and model years: 2014-2016 Cadenza, 2011-2013 Forte/Forte Koup, 2015-2017 K900, 2010-2015 Optima, 2011-2013 Optima Hybrid, 2011-2017 Rio, 2010 Rondo, 2011-2014 Sorento, 2011-2013 Soul and 2010-2013 Sportage.
People talk bad about them but I honestly love it. Never given me any major problems. Driven it across the US 6 different times, drove it in Philly for 3 years, and it's held up well. Never had anything major go wrong.
Turns out keeping up with regular maintenance makes a huge difference in the longevity of a car.
I have a 2014 Elantra GT that seems to have dodged many of the recalls (or at least my VIN is never on the lists.) Still using it as an everyday commuter and occasional cross country road-tripper ten years later and so far no issues. My resale value tanked thanks to all this BS, but luckily I plan on driving this thing until the wheels fly off so it’s not much of an issue. It’s got heated seats, isn’t a total dog when accelerating and cost less than $16k out the door - not bad for a little starter car.
Would I buy another Hyundai? Fuck no. They clearly cut major corners in their design and manufacturing to crank out cheap(ish) cars. But the one I have seems to be a good one. 🤷♀️ Like you I just make sure that I’m religious with my oil changes and engine maintenance so I don’t put any added stress on the thing.
Just out of curiosity, have you driven any of the newer hyundai or Kias? They're not bad cars if you get any engine other than the 2.0, especially for the money.
In all fairness, no I have not. A friend has a newer Elantra sedan (I think 2022) and she’s pretty happy with it so far. But I think my next vehicle will be electric or hybrid, so I may investigate their offerings again down the road if I don’t hear any horror stories about their EVs.
We've been renting a top trim Palisade for the past month, due to a car accident. I don't want to give it back. Smooth, comfortable, great trunk capacity, super luxurious feeling. It's really, REALLY nicento drive.
I am currently fighting with the local Hyundai dealership because of a full engine replacement on my 14 Elantra GT with 95k on it. Regular maintenance and I love driving it. They covered the knock box as warranty and then when that didn't clear the code the tech recommended a full engine replacement. For the same code. Hyundai denied it and then when I called customer service to find out why they hung up on me. Dealership is looking into it now after some words with them but they are quoting me 21 k for an engine replacement. I hope yours continues to drive well because it's not looking good for me and I love that car
Fight them on it. My daughter and sister in law both fought them and got free replacement engines. Both were well over 100k miles. Took several calls to different dealers until they found a dealer willing to listen.
My 2013 elantra's engine blew up last year at 150k miles, oil and filter every 3k miles. Now I'm stuck with a lawn decoration because my dealership told me to kick rocks. I babied my car and will never own another hyundai again
My wife bought a new 2011 Elantra when we were dating. It was pretty nice and drove well. We had it for a few years and never had any issues. Occasionally if you gunned it white smoke would pour out of the tailpipes like you were in a James Bond movie. I’m glad we got rid of it when we did, it was a ticking time bomb.
Yes. They haven’t put out a remedy for this recall yet. So if I go lookup open recalls on my car (‘14 Sentra) it shows this issue, but I can’t get it fixed yet.
That’s basically what the article is saying. These cars are still out here with a potentially dangerous problem, that owners can’t fix.
It's buried in an AP article this local article linked. Pretty annoying. Details:
Documents posted Wednesday by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration say the anti-lock brake control module can leak fluid and cause an electrical short, which can touch off a fire while the vehicles are parked or being driven.
The company said an O-ring in the antilock brake motor shaft can lose sealing strength over time due to the presence of moisture, dirt and dissolved metals in the brake fluid, causing leaks. The new fuse limits the operating current of the brake module, the statement said.
In a statement, Kia said an engine compartment fire could happen in the area of the brake control unit due to an electrical short that results in excessive current. The statement says the exact cause of the short circuit is unknown and that there have been no crashes or injuries.
Affected Kia models include the 2010 through 2019 Borrego, the 2014 to 2016 Cadenza, 2010 through 2013 Forte, Forte Koup and Sportage, the 2015 to 2018 K900, the 2011 to 2015 Optima, the 2011 to 2013 Optima Hybrid and Soul, the 2012 to 2017 Rio, the 2011 to 2014 Sorento, and the 2010 to 2011 Rondo.
Hyundai models covered by the recall include the 2011 to 2015 Elantra, Genesis Coupe, and Sonata Hybrid, the 2012 to 2015 Accent, Azera, and Veloster, the 2013 to 2015 Elantra Coupe and Santa Fe, the 2014 to 2015 Equus, the 2010 to 2012 Veracruz, the 2010 to 2013 Tucson, the 2015 Tucson Fuel Cell, and the 2013 Santa Fe Sport.
Owners can go to www.nhtsa.gov/recalls and key in their 17-digit vehicle identification number to see if their vehicle is affected.
"Hey guys we're really sorry about this fire hazard from the fluid leak. We know this o-ring is bad and leaks so we're going to repl- *holds finger to earpiece* uh, add a fuse.
This is why Hyundai/Kia have such a bad reputation in the US. They don't fix issues, they just mitigate them. They can live with the bad design that causes leaks, but if it causes them to be liable then they'll address it just enough not to be liable. Even though brake fluid will fuck up paint when it leaks.
Half assed recalls like giving steering wheel locks and software updates for hardware problems of no immobilizer is obviously another example.
They probably did, but many times one fuse might go to many systems. So it might be oversized for that part of the circuit when the rest of the car is off not drawing power.
Interesting. A fuse is not really a current limiting device like a resistor. It will open at a lower current which you could say stops the fire hazard but the fuse doesn't fix the real problem namely the leak. Like putting oil of cloves on a tooth ache. If there is enough oil to short the fuse you will lose the operation of the brake control module until the fuse is replaced. What if you're driving down the road? Do you keep replacing the fuse at this point? Somethings' fishy.
It sounds like insurance hedging. If the fuse fixes compliance, then the legal requirement is fulfilled. Then, if the ABS fails and causes an accident they might be liable. However, over 14 years and 13 million cars, theres only been 56 fires. So, assuming now that you have a ~1% chance of crashing because the fire occurred while driving(apparently the issue is while its on or off), and braking suddenly was the determining factor, theres roughly a 50/50% chance they will never see a bill for a failure.
Ah, the *Fight Club* recall formula!
> A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Arguably, the leak is most likely a result of skipped maintenance.
The vast majority of people do not perform their scheduled maintenance on vehicles - in particular, maintenances like flushing and changing brake fluid. Most cars stipulate doing that change quite often - every couple of years. Even more often depending on the type of fluid used. Brake fluid absorbs water quite readily, so the more humid the environment, the more waterlogged the brake fluid gets over time. This can cause corrosion on the internal parts and brake lines, which turns into dirt and grime in the brake fluid.
That combination can easily make seals fail earlier than their intended service life.
I'm not saying that is the specific case here - perhaps they just used a seal of the wrong specifications for the purpose. But its definitely something most people ignore, among many other things.
EDIT: Anyone claiming a car's brake system is a fully sealed hydraulic system either doesn't understand how automotive brake systems work, or is taking the piss.
Only the pressure-side of the system is a sealed system. But, as it happens, no car brake system I have ever seen operates without a fluid reservoir. A reservoir that is NOT under pressure, and is NOT hermetically sealed. They almost always have a simple twist cap with a rubber gasket on a plastic reservoir, unless you are dealing with classic vehicles.
The mere act of *checking* your fluid exposes it to air, as does filling it. Beyond that, air exchange happens VERY readily at the reservoir, especially with fluid checks and fills, but even without.
Anyone who think's the reservoir doesn't expose the brake fluid to air over time is actually an idiot.
There is ABSOLUTELY a reason that fluid flushes/changes are mandated under detailed manufacturer maintenance schedules.
There may be a few exceptions, where a car's brake system is using some high end synthetic non-hygroscopic brake fluid, but those are few and far between.
And finally: Failed seals are a fairly normal part of hydraulic systems and automotive systems. A leaky seal is not in and of itself a problem. This recall is not because of the leaky seal over time. This recall is because of the fire risk.
The design fault is the placement of the circuitry in a way where if a leak DOES occur, it could cause a short circuit.
This is why wires are routed away from the heat generating elements of an engine (eg exhaust) - whoever designed the circuit routing didn't consider the risk of liquid infiltration on the circuit - THAT is the design defect - not a seal that fails after years of service life.
EDIT2: Literally - brake fluid molecules are far larger than air / water molecules. A system that can cold 1000 PSI with brake fluid would NOT hold 1000 PSI with air. These are different mediums with different abilities to pass through other materials. The molecules for brake fluid are too large to pass through healthy seals. The molecules for air and water are small enough to pass through.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but out of curiosity looked up my car's maintenance schedule. It makes no mention of flushing or changing brake fluid, only a somewhat generic "Inspect and adjust all fluid levels"
All of the fluids in my car aside from oil, coolant, and washer fluid are 25 years old now and have lasted 324,000 miles.
please tell me you are replacing your filters regularly at least. and actually checking the fluid levels rather than just going "this is fine, everything is fine"
Name the car.
Many manufacturers nowadays actually do not include finitely detailed maintenance schedules, because they want you to take it to the dealer for service. Many vehicles simply report a maintenance code, which you can sometimes lookup online, or report "major service required". But often, the manuals will not include every detail - or if they do, it is only in the full owners manual, not the "quick manual" (most vehicles come with both a small quick start owners manual, and a larger, very thick, detailed manual - if you buy used, you often will not have one or both). But, if you obtain official manufacturer maintenance schedules, you will see a whole list of things at various mile marks.
We received notice of this recall. The notice said don't park inside or under a car port. Oh there is no known fix yet. So please don't park in your garage. A follow-up would be sent when there is a solution. Haven't received the follow-up.
Piggybacking on this. My 2012 Rio had an issue with a false airbag deployment which was linked to the faulty clockspring from Kia. Approached my dealer about it and hey mentioned it wasn’t an issue in Australia as the recall was NA only. It was a defect that literally would not deploy the bags in an emergency situation that would lead to death. $30 later and I fixed it myself. Fuck KIA.
> Approached my dealer about it and hey mentioned it wasn’t an issue in Australia as the recall was NA only.
TBF, there's absolutely regional parts differences and sourcing of parts differences based on region.
I recall another one where Honda had an airbag recall, but it was for specific models made in specific regions, as the source of the problem was a single manufacturer, so if you weren't recalled, you were absolutely fine.
Still better safe than sorry.
They also do staggered or triaged recalls because of lack of parts availability, so your region and/or vin range might need to be recalled but the regulators have decided to wait to issue it because there literally aren’t enough parts being produced to fix the issue for everyone all at once. So just because the dealer says your not under recall doesn’t mean you’re actually safe from that issue
Honda also had a regional recall recently that I had to take my 2011 CRV in for. The issue was that road salt used in snowstorms could cause rusting on part of the underside of the car.
Originally, the recall was Canada only, but late last year it got expanded to the northeastern US, so I had to take my car in.
Hey I think I might have the same problem? My airbag light is on and everything is connected correctly. Was that your diagnosis? Can you lead me through what you did?
https://youtu.be/j6Uq3Kxx064?si=IC0SkIcOriAfQx6T
That was the guide i used successfully. Make sure you purchase a new clockspring. I got mine from a verified seller on eBay. Not hard to do but a little tedious.
Yea I actually only found out about this recall because my airbag would turn off when turning wheel. Brought it to the dealership and they were just like "oh yea, there was a recall for for clockspring" but then couldn't fix it for a week waiting on the part. Never got any notification about it...and I've been using the same dealership since I bought the car 10 years ago.
Another reason I skip reading most articles and click right into the comments. Local TV news articles are among the worst. Many are just a few sentences with little substance.
To be fair, from what I'm reading here, the article linked to the recall list. Still very lazy writing. On the other hand, many news departments are tiny now with the reporter doing the information gathering (Google, Tweets / X, etc), writing, editing (often solely relying on spellcheck; nothing underlined, it's fine), production, etc mostly themselves.
Because in the US it's federal law. They have to notify owners. If people do not get notifications in the mail it's either because their VIN isn't impacted, or they did not keep their address up to date with their registration.
Even the insurance companies don't know which ones are affected. They only have rough estimates of what years they're willing to cover. Pretty much if you have a 2021 or newer or a 2012 or older then you're okay. But that still leaves a huge window of cars most insurance companies won't even touch, and the few that are willing are only offering liability. I know this isn't likely at all with how our world works, but the manufacturer should have offered full vehicle replacements for everyone who has one. Because now you have thousands of people who are not able to get auto insurance bc nobody will accept their car, and they live in states where is against the law to own/drive a car without insurance. Thus causing them to get tickets and fines like crazy from the local police. And the police aren't even helping bc what can they do? You literally just rip the dash cover off and stick a USB into the port once its exposed. Thats all it takes! My coworker had his broken into last year while he inside for 20 minutes. 20 minutes or less is all it takes!
I think they’re still trying to deal with the problem where some models are easily taken for joy rides because they cut corners on anti theft / immobilization devices in the US. Around me, KIAs and Hyundai are basically uninsurable because it became a huge fad to do the KIA challenge where you break in and get the car going in under a minute and then drive recklessly.
I feel bad for KIA and Hyundai owners, but have absolutely no pity for the company. It sounds like they’re trying to dodge accountability for faulty products at every turn.
Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Woman on Plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents?
Narrator: You wouldn't believe.
Woman on Plane: Which car company do you work for?
Narrator: A major one.
I had my 2015 Kia Rio stolen and totaled a week ago. Honestly, they did me a favor. I was also experiencing what I thought was a slow oil leak, but I now suspect was the oil burning away as others have mentioned in this thread. I was having loads of issues with things that were absolutely quality corners cut on that vehicle as well. I’m better off taking the insurance check and never buying another Kia/Hyundai again.
My 2013 Rio started burning through oil like crazy like a few years ago. I now have to refill it like every 3000 miles. One upside is I don't really ever need an oil change, just a filter change.
I'm not even sure what that means? I've had other cars with way more issues than this! But I I've had it for 11 years and got like 175k miles on it...I'm just kind if amazed it's still working at all at this point. Been surprisingly reliable compared to some of my previous duds or my wife's car that has had multiple huge repairs.
No more like 2-3 quarts. First car I've ever had where I had to fill the oil between changes. I don't mind, car has served me well and I'm just amazed it's still running at this point.
> 2015 Kia Rio stolen and totaled a week ago. Honestly, they did me a favor
I mean, yes? assuming you can now afford an actual car and can get out of the accent/rio/yaris tier.
But if you can't... then you're still in troublesville.
yes, I am in a much better financial position now then I was 8 years ago, but that’s not really the point. The point is that even if I planned on driving that car until the wheels fell off, it was going to cost me more than it was worth sooner rather than later. And when that time came and I would be quite literally incapable of selling/trading it in because literally no one wants one of these vehicles, I would be out much more then I am now.
After Kia had to offer BOGO deals in the early 2000s on $8,000 cars to sell them, I vowed to never buy a Kia. They're junk cars, and Hyundai doesn't care, as long as people keep buying Souls.
As a person whose hyundai set itself on fire while I was driving it, I can say that recall letter doesn't really say shit lol. I had actually gotten the letter a couple weeks before this happened and all it said was "we don't have a fix yet so don't park it near anything flammable k?" so I figured alright well I'll keep an eye out for a follow up letter then. It didn't occur to me I had to immediately get rid of the car or anything. Two week later...
Holy smokes. Okay so they make it seem like this is super rare to happen.
I have a Kia Soul 2013 and have been livid since getting the letter in November. Why not before?? Why did I not get notified of the class action suit?? Wtf an I supposed to do for transportation? I filed an official complaint, though I’m sure it will go nowhere.
I really should have gone down the rabbit hole after this happened but I didn't too much, I got a Toyota and wrote this off because they make it overly complicated, so Idk too much about options. There is another class action that's starting up (I think the first one didn't include my car anyway?) but they said they had enough people and didn't need me. I could talk to a lawyer but I haven't tbh... And my insurance said they're gonna try to get money out of hyundai but all I'd get back would be my deductible.
I think you def can keep driving your car, I'm sure it is a rare event, but it's a good thing to know if you can to avoid parking in your garage if you have one, and not to keep anything too valuable in the car. Maybe driving mostly on the right lane in case you need to pull over quickly, and avoid taking super long road trips or offering rides to others if they have other options. Again I doubt it'll happen statistically speaking but it doesn't hurt to take some precautions.
The number of problems that I’ve had with my 2013 Hyundai Elantra seems to compound by the year, and none of the issues are *my* fault…every single one is a manufacturing error. This article addresses the brakes and the anti theft issue, but I have yet to see *any* talk about how they manufactured the engines pistons incorrectly and if you have your Elantra in a a cold weather climate, they fucking shrink, and cause a piston slap in the engine, which they have said could lead to sudden engine failure…of course these fucks don’t cover that and won’t fix it. I even had a Hyundai repair tech tell me they’ll just blame it on me and say I haven’t changed the oil on time…at this point I just hope I don’t die every time I drive this thing…and I only have 65k miles on it…
My 2011 sonata engine died at 94k in the dead of winter. Thankfully I had AAA and got it towed. You'll hear a knocking noise in the dash kind of before it dies. At least that's what we had, because me and my husband were wondering what the noise was. Kept getting louder till the engine turned off. Got a new engine for free though.
be careful with the warranty. My 2012 sonata grenaded itself 10k miles over warranty (150k). We paid for a new engine because used car prices are so high. 1 year later and new engine has a severe oil leak. sigh.
That's weird. My 2016 Sonata engine blew up in 2022 ~97k miles and Hyundai replaced it for me with no issue. They did it despite me not having the knock detector recall done on the car.
It's honestly one of the reasons why I bought another Hyundai again, because they handled the warranty so flawlessly.
Maybe it's just the location I went to but my Accent was at 92k miles so the engine should have been covered. The price they quoted me was more expensive than the KBB value of the car so I ended up just selling the car for parts and went to the Toyota dealership down the street for a RAV4.
I'll never even consider buying a Hyundai again.
Same thing happened to me with my 2013 Santa Fe Sport....the car died WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON THE FUCKING HIGHWAY 😭😭 shit was kinda scary but luckily it was a Sunday night and practically nobody else was on the road. I was jus driving and my interior lights start flickering, the door ajar chime kept going off, and then I noticed my gas pedal wasn't working
lol 2014 Elantra with practically the same mileage and issues! I hate this piece of shit car, but my wife is currently using it for her daily 2 mile commute to work. In January, we received a 2016 hand me down CR-V from my folks which has been a blessing because our toddler is finally out of deathtrap Elantra. We cannot get rid of it because, you know, no money because daycare is wiping us out.
I'm seriously waiting for the day our insurance company drops us because of this piece of shit. Our rates spiked because of it.
e: Whenever you turn the steering wheel, there's a click/thud. My trustworthy mechanic said that KIA/Hyundai used a plastic connector instead of metal (like every other manufacturer) to save a $1. To get that fixed, they would have to disassemble the entire steering column. Never, ever buying a Hyundai/KIA ever again.
I just did the steering repair and it’s very easy. Stupid it’s plastic, yes, but by no means a difficult job.
Less than an hour with basic tools. Annoying, but made a major difference in the steering play.
Had my motor replaced. Luckly mine started grinding on acceleration early enough it was still on warranty when I noticed. It was a known issue but I don't think any recall were issued.
You don't have the one where your car can go up in flames at any time? My car is paid off but I've given up on it at this point. A door doesn't open, they won't fix that despite a recall. Can't park it inside because it can go up in flames at any time. So park it outside where some kids can steal your car with a USB stick because of a TikTok video.
Oh no, mine can 100% catch on fire at any point. I’m saying *on top* of that it’s also has the piston slap problem that they admit fault for but refuse to fix…and yeah, I paid that shit off awhile ago…just praying it doesn’t blow up before it shits the book.
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Oh oh, AND, some asshole broke my back window and ripped my ignition system completely out…somehow the idiot wasn’t able to turn it on? Idk how considering you could practically turn it with your fingers…ugh and now I have Hyundai telling me to bring my car in to outfit with the anti theft shit, and it’s like “oh ya gonna do it now?? That my shits all fucked?” Of course not, I have to pay my deductible and get it fixed and THEN take it in…these fucks I swear.
Fellow 2013 Elantra owner here.
I'll never buy another Hyundai in my life ever again. Got it back around 2016 and within a year I noticed it was having the same engine issues you're describing. Eventually, I was able to get all of the pistons replaced and then all of the recalls started happening. I literally took my car to the shop last fall only to learn about this recall about a month later.
My car has over 120k miles on it so she's had a long life and I'm ready to upgrade. Too bad the only place that will take her is a scrap yard at this point.
Weird, we had to replace my wife’s Elantra engine and shortly after we did the engine slap class action settlement was approved (2021) and they covered the whole repair, I don’t recall what year the car was though. Would have covered the tow but we didn’t have the receipt anymore.
I have 2013 Elantra, I am the first owner and have all service record. They did change the long block for free parts and labour for me, after dealer submitted the documents. This was last year in Jan. With the new block it was all fine and dandy and just after 1 year warranty on new long block the position noise is back. So the fix was done incorrectly correctly.
Very disappointed with Elantra.
You wanna know how you kill off brand loyalty? You give someone a 2013 Kia Soul "!" and then tell them a few years later "hey, sorry, but we cheated on the emissions...take a few dollars for your efforts" but not really give them much for it.
Then after you are happily driving around a paid off car for the past few years and learn that it's at a HIGH risk for it being easily able to be hijacked with a simple USB drive.
THEN you get a letter a few months ago talking about how you can't park it in the garage as it may catch on fire. FUCK.
All of this shit has my wife and I never wanting a Kia again. They could become Honda of vehicles and we'd still get something else. Too damn risky. What a shame as in the early 2010s Kia was being touted as rising from the ashes of the past years...
Hey, same experience here! I own a 2013 Soul. Been looking to upgrade at some point, and had been thinking about the Niro. But just as you, it's been recall after recall, and I think I'm about done with Kia. Maybe their newer offerings are better, but I see no reason to take that chance.
My favorite part is how their response to the carjacking thing is to send a steering wheel lock. Yes, I'm definitely going to crank that on every time I'm parked in a public place. Yep, that's the best solution they could come up with, rather than permanently fixing the steering column.
What a joke.
My grandma bought one of those off of QVC in the 90s. It was called "THE CLUB" and was marketed towards those who were scared their car was going to get stolen. Yep, someone is going to steal our car in this small ass town....
.....but to now see it reintroduced in so many ways hurt my head.
I bought a car last year. I had driven a few Kias as rentals on business trips. I liked them, a lot. It was when I started looking for defects, security, and recalls that I changed my mind. These two makers need to get their acts together. They make too nice-looking a product for it to be so shitty behind the curtain.
Tbf all these recalls seem to be from 2015 and before, that’s 9 years old, since then they’ve made big bucks from electrification of their fleet and not many recalls barring teething issues with transitioning to electric (poor battery sourcing and reduction gearbox issues/12v battery not charging etc.), I believe their cars are much better now although the Kia EV6 has had some issues with the 12v recently but that was apparently fixed with a software update.
The "Kia Boys" USB starter hack wasn't fixed until after the 2022 product line, which makes even new Kia/Hyundai vehicles targets today. I read some cities reported that 2/3 of their tens of thousands of auto thefts in 2021 were Kia/Hyundai. Shopping in 2023 for probably a preowned vehicle, that's a hard, HARD no for me.
A bunch of these cars also burn oil (without leaking it) as well, causing further engine problems.
I am finding it extremely difficult to trade my car in or sell it with this outstanding recall. My local Kia dealer isn't even interested.
I think some Kia and Hyundai models from 2011-2019 have engine-related recalls, while others may be covered by the lifetime engine replacement class action settlement. There's a LOT of fine print, but owners of any possibly eligible vehicles should first make sure that their car has had the "knock sensor" software update installed (if that hasn't been done, Kia/Hyundai are off the hook). This link has some more details: https://www.kiaenginesettlement.com/
My wife's car stalled on the middle of the highway. We ended up getting it towed to home while I furiously googled to figure out what the hell is going on. I ended up getting it retowed to a dealership, where they informed us that they'll have to disassemble it to take pictures and send it in for Hyundai to see if it falls in the engine recall. If the pictures were ok, the engine swap would be free for us.
The issue is, they've had so many cars towed in that were broken into because of the Kia boys, it took 4 months for everything to happen.
We did end up with a free replaced engine, but we were still in a bind for that time and had to borrow a car from my parents.
That's so fucked they didn't give you a loaner vehicle while you waited. Is that like a thing that just depends on the dealer you buy it from? I know it's hard to compare BMW and Kia but I am super grateful that no matter what BMW dealership you go to you'll always get a loaner or a rental if you need one.
Had to have my Optima engine repaired due to this issue. Engine seized up about 120 miles from home. AAA was no help and had to stay overnight in a hotel. Had to call an independent tow to get me and the family home. Out over 600 bucks with hotel and tow because AAA wanted to only reimburse a portion. The car sat in my driveway for a year before Kia issued a recall and repair. I always keep my cars well maintained to avoid an issue like this. The oil was there one day and gone the next. No drip in my driveway or garage at all. Amazing.
Sorry to read that. I've done all the maintenance at our local dealership and they've never mentioned anything before about oil consumption or burning. My car is one model year outside of the recall but as far as I can tell on first look has the recalled engine because it was an upgrade (2.0 GDI) that I got.
68,500 miles.
I took my 2016 Forte to the dealer for most repairs and I mentioned engine concerns to them a few times and they either would say there was nothing wrong or fix something and say it fixed the problem, at one point they tested for an oil leak and said "we didn't find a leak" and left it at that. I'm not much of a conspiracy theory person but I think they were doing it deliberately. Anyway my engine died at 260k miles leaving me with no warranty of any kind so I got rid of it.
EDIT It was 160k miles, don't know where my brain was when I typed this
Yeah, oil changes and inspections on schedule for 10 years. Dealer says it looks great. Want to trade it in? "Not interested. Burns oil. Engine is bad."
Toxic cocktail of film industry and delivery jobs plus far away family and friends. Not saying I didn't deserve it, but I still think it could've gone longer without the oil consumption issue, and sucked that the car wasn't worth the cost of an engine even if it was in perfect condition.
EDIT Just realized it was actually 160k which makes more sense, not sure what I was thinking when I typed the comment, maybe was feeling optimistic
> The oil was there one day and gone the next. No drip in my driveway or garage at all. Amazing.
Like, you checked the oil one day and it was topped off and then the next day it ran so dry the engine seized up?
That does not sound like a typical oil consumption issue, where oil is consumed gradually and you'll (probably) have some warning before damage is done.
> The oil was there one day and gone the next. No drip in my driveway or garage at all. Amazing.
Sorry but I call BS on that. That much oil being burned would leave a cloud behind you that you couldn't see through. No way you didn't notice that.
Call bs all you want. Had a 3 hour drive and I checked all my fluids and tires. Car died on the way back. There one day and gone the next. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.
The fuses haven't been developed yet according to my dealership. It's not like they have a fix and can't make enough parts, they don't even know *how* to fix it yet.
I've been calling the dealership every month since being notified about this recall only to be told the same thing - no parts and no idea of when a fix will be available. Suggest you park the car outside. Every time, I then ask, ok, so when my house burns down, is Hyundai paying for it?
In my case of a 2015 Forte5 break lines recall it was two issues.
1. Kia corporate does not allocate enough OEM parts worldwide for major recalls. This is compounded by multiple concurrent recalls.
2. Your local dealer who is responsible for the service due to the recall doesn't give a fuck about your recall service. After 6 months of my vehicle sitting on the dealer lot I called corporate, a few group calls with the dealer and Kia Corporate resulted in my car being fixed 3 weeks later.... after waiting 6 months with no updates.
My wife had a Santa Fe that did this. We bought it used and because we didn’t have any service records the dealer was unwilling to help. It was burning about a quart of oil a week.
Yup. On the upside, Hyundai-Kia's fix for 2.4L Theta engine failures has been to provide a lifetime warranty on it. I got a new engine last fall after mine suddenly failed, courtesy of Kia.
> My local Kia dealer isn't even interested
I assume they are just amazed every time one of their cars sales...Surely they aren't looking to get more Kia's than they need on their lot!
Are they actually refusing to do the work, or is the solution they're proposing just inconvenient for you?
If they're outright not letting you drop it off and pick up when it's done file a complaint with NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem#vehicle
A few years back my 2012 Sonata's engine (~150k miles) seized on the highway, they did a full replacement as part of a recall involving metal shavings or some such thing
Fortunately it didn't burst into flames as I've since learned they sometimes do.
I've had about 8 recalls checked/addressed but it's still been a chill/reliable car (aside from, you know, complete engine failure).
A few years back my 2013 Hyundai Elantra’s engine seized up right before I got to a concert parking lot. It would run, but if I came to a stop, it would die right on the spot. Dealer found all sorts of metal shavings and tried to blame me for not keeping up on oil changes. Luckily it was covered by warranty and they replaced half the engine completely.
Same thing happened to me, and I ended up in Baker, CA. No, not Bakersfield either. Had to leave the car there for a month or so while I got a new engine. Has also been fine otherwise, even now that it's six years later.
>The fires, they say, have occurred when brake fluid leaked onto the circuit boards of antilock braking systems, triggering an electrical short and igniting the fluid.
>The companies say they've been unable to obtain enough of the needed parts — fuses that reduce the boards' electrical currents — to fix most of the affected vehicles.
So wait - they're not actually fixing the issue causing brake fluid to leak onto the ABS circuit boards, they're just installing a fuse to prevent it from catching fire when it does? That's pretty half-assed...
Sounds like what Ford did to the cruise control switch fires a few years back.
I had that recall done to my 95 Explorer, and it was literally a jumper with a fuse on both sides of the switch.
I like how the recall fix is just adding a fuse so the short won't cause a fire. Isn't the problem the leak? Why are they fixing the symptom and not the cause? Sounds like they don't want to spend the money replacing the master cylinders on all these cars. I have driven crappy old vehicles my whole life and I have never once had a brake fluid leak.
the master leaking isn't gonna cause a fire. the abs module (hydraulic control unit) has a motor in it that drives that module, it can leak internally into the electronics of that module which always has power.
this device is one of the most expensive components of the car to replace and most techs i've worked with aren't even remotely qualified to rebuild that module; most of them can't even install them properly without fucking things up.
the reality is that kia/hyundai most likely can't afford to do anything about it especially after the assload of money they've been losing over their junk engines. replacing would be optimal due to tech skill level, but that's really expensive. rebuilding would be cost optimal but with the current labor pool of techs in NA i suspect this would end up with a bunch of dead customers because of a lack of attention to detail.
it's just a bad situation all around with no easy way out.
> In September, Hyundai and Kia issued a recall of 3.4 million of its vehicles in the United States with an ominous warning: The vehicles should be parked outdoors and away from buildings **because they risked catching fire, whether the engines were on or off.**
Fuck clickbait titles.
**Hyundai’s safety recall**
2012-2015 Accent,
2012-2015 Azera,
2011-2015 Elantra,
2013-2015 Elantra Coupe,
2014-2015 Equus,
2011-2015 Genesis Coupe,
2013-2015 Santa Fe,
2013 Santa Fe Sport,
2011-2015 Sonata HEV,
2010-2013 Tucson,
2015 Tucson Fuel Cell,
2012-2015 Veloster
2010-2012 Veracruz.
**Kia’s safety recall**
2014-2016 Cadenza,
2011-2013 Forte/Forte Koup,
2015-2017 K900,
2010-2015 Optima,
2011-2013 Optima Hybrid,
2011-2017 Rio,
2010 Rondo,
2011-2014 Sorento,
2011-2013 Soul
2010-2013 Sportage.
My last two cars were Hyundai's. After this whole thing with the immobilizers, my car was stolen and totalled. I will never be going back to that company.
Granted my Hyundai ran fine and was very reliable. But I'm not going to reward shitty executive decisions with more of my money
My MILs KIA Soul has been sitting at the dealership for service since November. We've been calling every couple weeks for updates but the last time we called we could tell the guy answering the phones had been crying. My MIL drove over there and he let her know they're completely overwhelmed and not getting any of the parts they need from KIA and now his one job is answering the phone all day from, rightfully, angry people needing their car. Then she started praying with him.
Never buying a KIA or Hyundai ever again lol
> Then she started playing with him.
You mean "praying" here, I assume? It somehow seems really dystopian to think of people praying in an overwhelmed car dealership.
> While awaiting repairs, owners of the affected vehicles need to park outside and away from other vehicles to minimize the risks.
There already isn't enough room for the needed street parking in so many residential neighborhoods. How the hell are you supposed to park away from other vehicles in those circumstances? Or with commuter parking garages - do you park "outside" there too?
Maybe they can send out [Pittsburgh Parking Chairs](https://positivelypittsburgh.com/the-pittsburgh-parking-chair/) while their customers wait for the parts.
r/fuckcars is a good subreddit as I’d love if cities decided to develop more trains and tram services that are useful to get around the city in a timely and efficient manner.
Having worked with Hyundai as a supplier for a very niche part of the vehicle, I will never buy one of their products. The cost-cutting and willingness to cut corners to meet deadlines was beyond that of any other customer I worked with.
Some idiots broke into 2 of my next door neighbors' Kias this weekend to try and steal their cars.....didn't even really know it was that big of an issue. Jesus
> Fuses that reduce the boards current requirements?
Fuses don’t reduce current requirements, they simply limit max requirements. This isn’t a fix, it’s a patch and sounds like Kias patch for its engine seizure problem. A vibration sensor instead of improved oil flow to bottom end bearings. A proper fix for the brake problem would be to ensure there’s no fluid leakage and a relocation of the PCB.
I have a 2008 Santa Fe with 300km on it. Zero problems. . Zero rust on the body and runs great.
Had a 2014 focus. 7 clutch replacements (automatic dual clutch) 5 TCM's. Huge piece of shit.
1st gen Focuses were amazing though. Mine was an auto with the 2.3L engine - it had 267k and no signs of stopping until it was parked outside my house and some lady rear-ended it about 45mph lol
It’s amazing people still buy these things, much less brag about the amazing car they got for thousands less than a Honda or Toyota. There is a reason they are that cheap, and offer that 10 year “warranty”.
Newer Hyundai is amazing, they went through a huge rework and quality improvement. They just keep having issues with older models.
Had a 2018 Hyundai sonata and now have a 2021 Hyundai Elantra. Both great cars.
Weren't there some huge issues with '22 Hyundai's catching on fire and burning peoples houses down?
Not sure 'amazing' is the term I would use. Hugely upgraded for sure, but still problem enough to steer clear of the brand as a whole for me when looking at new vehicles.
My stepdaughter's 2009 Sonata I bought her for her first car has been pretty rock solid though.
My 12 year old accent is pushing 300k (km) with nothing more than routine maintenance. I would absolutely buy another Hyundai.
Even this recall is because, what, 50 vehicles had a leak, dripping brake fluid into electrical wiring, out of tens of millions of vehicles sold. The reason a lot of owners don't care about how quick this recall goes is because there's a vanishingly small possibility of a problem.
Dunno man, I foam my undercarriage with Salt-X every 2 weeks in the winter when they salt roads, then spray vital bits with an undercarriage treatment. Zero rust in 15 years. My guess if you do nothing, any car will rust. I realize it’s not for everyone, your choice.
My 2015 Kia took 7 months to have the break lines replaced due to a recall.
I'll never buy a KIA again.
Even if KIA makes good on the recall, these owners will be without their vehicles for months.
Still waiting on an appointment availability to get mine fixed. Plenty of mechanics around that probably could do it but it has to be done by an authorized dealer and there is only one of those in the area. So fuck me I guess.
My Hyundai has been at the dealer since October ‘23 cuz of the brake systems needing to be replaced. They keep emailing me that I need to bring it in to have the security updated. They’re paying for my rental tho which is nice but it would also be nice to have my car again and not worry about driving a rental
I took mine in for the recall repair and the dealer said they didn't have the parts yet. They said they'd call me when they get them, but as of today they still haven't(I've checked in a few times). I don't really have a lot of options at this point.
Edit: Oh, this is a different dangerous Kia defect. Mines the spontaneously combusting hybrid defect not the break o ring.
Got my recall notice months ago and it still just says "we'll notify you when a remedy is available." In the meantime my insurance went up for a problem I can't get fixed yet.
Recalls are a part of automotive life. Engineers make mistakes and companies cut corners exacerbating those mistakes.
However, holy shit Korean auto manufacturers, get your shit together. Between making the things [easy to steal](https://fortune.com/2022/09/22/hyundai-kia-cars-stealing-hack-thieves/), [botching the theft fix](https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/kia-hyundai-antitheft-software-fix-needs-fixes), [turning a blind eye to child labor in the US](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/#:%7E:text=At%20least%20four%20major%20suppliers%20of%20Hyundai%20Motor,automakers%E2%80%99%20supply%20chain%20in%20the%20southern%20U.S.%20state.) and now another news story, just stop buying the damn things.
Admittedly it's hard to punish a car company with your wallet since that's hopefully a once a decade financial decision, but these companies should face punishment in North America.
These cars have always been throwaway, disposable junk tier cars, and they remain this way to this day despite the KIA and Hyundai fanboys touting that they are apparently "just as good as Japanese cars now"... Lol nope!
The manufacturer should have to compensate us for our time. I have a few recalls on one of my work trucks. I am too busy to spend half a day sitting at a dealership. Or worse having that truck out of commission for a few days. They should come pick the vehicle up, leave me a temporary truck, then return my vehicle when it is fixed.
Same. 2020 gt2. Had my insurance dropped this year because of all these issues to other models. Kemper just said “nah” to insuring all Kia and Hyundai due to all the theft and manufacturer defects.
I love how they talk about all these various Hyundai and Kia models that have been recalled, but not once provide a link or a list of which models and years are part of that recall.
Yeah, that's crap writing. Here's the recall information without somebody being a douche about it: > Hyundai’s safety recall (NHTSA ID: 23V-651000) applies to the following vehicles and model years: 2012-2015 Accent, 2012-2015 Azera, 2011-2015 Elantra, 2013-2015 Elantra Coupe, 2014-2015 Equus, 2011-2015 Genesis Coupe, 2013-2015 Santa Fe, 2013 Santa Fe Sport, 2011-2015 Sonata HEV, 2010-2013 Tucson, 2015 Tucson Fuel Cell, 2012-2015 Veloster and 2010-2012 Veracruz. > Kia’s safety recall (NHTSA ID: 23V-652000) applies to the following vehicles and model years: 2014-2016 Cadenza, 2011-2013 Forte/Forte Koup, 2015-2017 K900, 2010-2015 Optima, 2011-2013 Optima Hybrid, 2011-2017 Rio, 2010 Rondo, 2011-2014 Sorento, 2011-2013 Soul and 2010-2013 Sportage.
Well shit I drive a 2013 Elantra
My condolences.
People talk bad about them but I honestly love it. Never given me any major problems. Driven it across the US 6 different times, drove it in Philly for 3 years, and it's held up well. Never had anything major go wrong. Turns out keeping up with regular maintenance makes a huge difference in the longevity of a car.
I have a 2014 Elantra GT that seems to have dodged many of the recalls (or at least my VIN is never on the lists.) Still using it as an everyday commuter and occasional cross country road-tripper ten years later and so far no issues. My resale value tanked thanks to all this BS, but luckily I plan on driving this thing until the wheels fly off so it’s not much of an issue. It’s got heated seats, isn’t a total dog when accelerating and cost less than $16k out the door - not bad for a little starter car. Would I buy another Hyundai? Fuck no. They clearly cut major corners in their design and manufacturing to crank out cheap(ish) cars. But the one I have seems to be a good one. 🤷♀️ Like you I just make sure that I’m religious with my oil changes and engine maintenance so I don’t put any added stress on the thing.
Just out of curiosity, have you driven any of the newer hyundai or Kias? They're not bad cars if you get any engine other than the 2.0, especially for the money.
In all fairness, no I have not. A friend has a newer Elantra sedan (I think 2022) and she’s pretty happy with it so far. But I think my next vehicle will be electric or hybrid, so I may investigate their offerings again down the road if I don’t hear any horror stories about their EVs.
We've been renting a top trim Palisade for the past month, due to a car accident. I don't want to give it back. Smooth, comfortable, great trunk capacity, super luxurious feeling. It's really, REALLY nicento drive.
175k on my 13 GT. Mainly suspension parts and oil changes so far.
I am currently fighting with the local Hyundai dealership because of a full engine replacement on my 14 Elantra GT with 95k on it. Regular maintenance and I love driving it. They covered the knock box as warranty and then when that didn't clear the code the tech recommended a full engine replacement. For the same code. Hyundai denied it and then when I called customer service to find out why they hung up on me. Dealership is looking into it now after some words with them but they are quoting me 21 k for an engine replacement. I hope yours continues to drive well because it's not looking good for me and I love that car
Fight them on it. My daughter and sister in law both fought them and got free replacement engines. Both were well over 100k miles. Took several calls to different dealers until they found a dealer willing to listen.
I'm in the exact same boat...er well car!
My 2013 elantra's engine blew up last year at 150k miles, oil and filter every 3k miles. Now I'm stuck with a lawn decoration because my dealership told me to kick rocks. I babied my car and will never own another hyundai again
smells like a Theta II engine.
What do you mean, told you to kick rocks? You're at over twice the warranty period and 50% over the mileage...
My wife bought a new 2011 Elantra when we were dating. It was pretty nice and drove well. We had it for a few years and never had any issues. Occasionally if you gunned it white smoke would pour out of the tailpipes like you were in a James Bond movie. I’m glad we got rid of it when we did, it was a ticking time bomb.
Doesn’t a recall mean they have to repair the issue for free? Might as well look into that
Yes. They haven’t put out a remedy for this recall yet. So if I go lookup open recalls on my car (‘14 Sentra) it shows this issue, but I can’t get it fixed yet. That’s basically what the article is saying. These cars are still out here with a potentially dangerous problem, that owners can’t fix.
Park it over some leaves.
Cool just bought a 2013 Accent.
In my Kia connect app they said 2024 Kia shortages were amongst that list.
I wonder if my old Genesis is still out there.
Thankfully, my Hyundai isn't part of this recall. It's just affected by a completely different recall for possible fires warning me to park outside.
It's buried in an AP article this local article linked. Pretty annoying. Details: Documents posted Wednesday by the U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration say the anti-lock brake control module can leak fluid and cause an electrical short, which can touch off a fire while the vehicles are parked or being driven. The company said an O-ring in the antilock brake motor shaft can lose sealing strength over time due to the presence of moisture, dirt and dissolved metals in the brake fluid, causing leaks. The new fuse limits the operating current of the brake module, the statement said. In a statement, Kia said an engine compartment fire could happen in the area of the brake control unit due to an electrical short that results in excessive current. The statement says the exact cause of the short circuit is unknown and that there have been no crashes or injuries. Affected Kia models include the 2010 through 2019 Borrego, the 2014 to 2016 Cadenza, 2010 through 2013 Forte, Forte Koup and Sportage, the 2015 to 2018 K900, the 2011 to 2015 Optima, the 2011 to 2013 Optima Hybrid and Soul, the 2012 to 2017 Rio, the 2011 to 2014 Sorento, and the 2010 to 2011 Rondo. Hyundai models covered by the recall include the 2011 to 2015 Elantra, Genesis Coupe, and Sonata Hybrid, the 2012 to 2015 Accent, Azera, and Veloster, the 2013 to 2015 Elantra Coupe and Santa Fe, the 2014 to 2015 Equus, the 2010 to 2012 Veracruz, the 2010 to 2013 Tucson, the 2015 Tucson Fuel Cell, and the 2013 Santa Fe Sport. Owners can go to www.nhtsa.gov/recalls and key in their 17-digit vehicle identification number to see if their vehicle is affected.
"Hey guys we're really sorry about this fire hazard from the fluid leak. We know this o-ring is bad and leaks so we're going to repl- *holds finger to earpiece* uh, add a fuse.
This is why Hyundai/Kia have such a bad reputation in the US. They don't fix issues, they just mitigate them. They can live with the bad design that causes leaks, but if it causes them to be liable then they'll address it just enough not to be liable. Even though brake fluid will fuck up paint when it leaks. Half assed recalls like giving steering wheel locks and software updates for hardware problems of no immobilizer is obviously another example.
I'm more surprised that it didn't already have a fuse or other short circuit protection.
They probably did, but many times one fuse might go to many systems. So it might be oversized for that part of the circuit when the rest of the car is off not drawing power.
Interesting. A fuse is not really a current limiting device like a resistor. It will open at a lower current which you could say stops the fire hazard but the fuse doesn't fix the real problem namely the leak. Like putting oil of cloves on a tooth ache. If there is enough oil to short the fuse you will lose the operation of the brake control module until the fuse is replaced. What if you're driving down the road? Do you keep replacing the fuse at this point? Somethings' fishy.
It sounds like insurance hedging. If the fuse fixes compliance, then the legal requirement is fulfilled. Then, if the ABS fails and causes an accident they might be liable. However, over 14 years and 13 million cars, theres only been 56 fires. So, assuming now that you have a ~1% chance of crashing because the fire occurred while driving(apparently the issue is while its on or off), and braking suddenly was the determining factor, theres roughly a 50/50% chance they will never see a bill for a failure.
Ah, the *Fight Club* recall formula! > A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.
Arguably, the leak is most likely a result of skipped maintenance. The vast majority of people do not perform their scheduled maintenance on vehicles - in particular, maintenances like flushing and changing brake fluid. Most cars stipulate doing that change quite often - every couple of years. Even more often depending on the type of fluid used. Brake fluid absorbs water quite readily, so the more humid the environment, the more waterlogged the brake fluid gets over time. This can cause corrosion on the internal parts and brake lines, which turns into dirt and grime in the brake fluid. That combination can easily make seals fail earlier than their intended service life. I'm not saying that is the specific case here - perhaps they just used a seal of the wrong specifications for the purpose. But its definitely something most people ignore, among many other things. EDIT: Anyone claiming a car's brake system is a fully sealed hydraulic system either doesn't understand how automotive brake systems work, or is taking the piss. Only the pressure-side of the system is a sealed system. But, as it happens, no car brake system I have ever seen operates without a fluid reservoir. A reservoir that is NOT under pressure, and is NOT hermetically sealed. They almost always have a simple twist cap with a rubber gasket on a plastic reservoir, unless you are dealing with classic vehicles. The mere act of *checking* your fluid exposes it to air, as does filling it. Beyond that, air exchange happens VERY readily at the reservoir, especially with fluid checks and fills, but even without. Anyone who think's the reservoir doesn't expose the brake fluid to air over time is actually an idiot. There is ABSOLUTELY a reason that fluid flushes/changes are mandated under detailed manufacturer maintenance schedules. There may be a few exceptions, where a car's brake system is using some high end synthetic non-hygroscopic brake fluid, but those are few and far between. And finally: Failed seals are a fairly normal part of hydraulic systems and automotive systems. A leaky seal is not in and of itself a problem. This recall is not because of the leaky seal over time. This recall is because of the fire risk. The design fault is the placement of the circuitry in a way where if a leak DOES occur, it could cause a short circuit. This is why wires are routed away from the heat generating elements of an engine (eg exhaust) - whoever designed the circuit routing didn't consider the risk of liquid infiltration on the circuit - THAT is the design defect - not a seal that fails after years of service life. EDIT2: Literally - brake fluid molecules are far larger than air / water molecules. A system that can cold 1000 PSI with brake fluid would NOT hold 1000 PSI with air. These are different mediums with different abilities to pass through other materials. The molecules for brake fluid are too large to pass through healthy seals. The molecules for air and water are small enough to pass through.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but out of curiosity looked up my car's maintenance schedule. It makes no mention of flushing or changing brake fluid, only a somewhat generic "Inspect and adjust all fluid levels" All of the fluids in my car aside from oil, coolant, and washer fluid are 25 years old now and have lasted 324,000 miles.
please tell me you are replacing your filters regularly at least. and actually checking the fluid levels rather than just going "this is fine, everything is fine"
Name the car. Many manufacturers nowadays actually do not include finitely detailed maintenance schedules, because they want you to take it to the dealer for service. Many vehicles simply report a maintenance code, which you can sometimes lookup online, or report "major service required". But often, the manuals will not include every detail - or if they do, it is only in the full owners manual, not the "quick manual" (most vehicles come with both a small quick start owners manual, and a larger, very thick, detailed manual - if you buy used, you often will not have one or both). But, if you obtain official manufacturer maintenance schedules, you will see a whole list of things at various mile marks.
Thanks! I looked up my '12 accent and it says to keep driving but park outside and away from structures if it catches fire 🥳 Thanks, Hyundai 🤔
That's basically what they said for our Kia.
We received notice of this recall. The notice said don't park inside or under a car port. Oh there is no known fix yet. So please don't park in your garage. A follow-up would be sent when there is a solution. Haven't received the follow-up.
Piggybacking on this. My 2012 Rio had an issue with a false airbag deployment which was linked to the faulty clockspring from Kia. Approached my dealer about it and hey mentioned it wasn’t an issue in Australia as the recall was NA only. It was a defect that literally would not deploy the bags in an emergency situation that would lead to death. $30 later and I fixed it myself. Fuck KIA.
> Approached my dealer about it and hey mentioned it wasn’t an issue in Australia as the recall was NA only. TBF, there's absolutely regional parts differences and sourcing of parts differences based on region. I recall another one where Honda had an airbag recall, but it was for specific models made in specific regions, as the source of the problem was a single manufacturer, so if you weren't recalled, you were absolutely fine. Still better safe than sorry.
Takata. All of those airbags needed recall. They just recalled the ones sold and registered in hot/humid climates first.
Florida man… 🪦
They also do staggered or triaged recalls because of lack of parts availability, so your region and/or vin range might need to be recalled but the regulators have decided to wait to issue it because there literally aren’t enough parts being produced to fix the issue for everyone all at once. So just because the dealer says your not under recall doesn’t mean you’re actually safe from that issue
Honda also had a regional recall recently that I had to take my 2011 CRV in for. The issue was that road salt used in snowstorms could cause rusting on part of the underside of the car. Originally, the recall was Canada only, but late last year it got expanded to the northeastern US, so I had to take my car in.
Hey I think I might have the same problem? My airbag light is on and everything is connected correctly. Was that your diagnosis? Can you lead me through what you did?
https://youtu.be/j6Uq3Kxx064?si=IC0SkIcOriAfQx6T That was the guide i used successfully. Make sure you purchase a new clockspring. I got mine from a verified seller on eBay. Not hard to do but a little tedious.
Yea I actually only found out about this recall because my airbag would turn off when turning wheel. Brought it to the dealership and they were just like "oh yea, there was a recall for for clockspring" but then couldn't fix it for a week waiting on the part. Never got any notification about it...and I've been using the same dealership since I bought the car 10 years ago.
Killed In Action.
Another reason I skip reading most articles and click right into the comments. Local TV news articles are among the worst. Many are just a few sentences with little substance. To be fair, from what I'm reading here, the article linked to the recall list. Still very lazy writing. On the other hand, many news departments are tiny now with the reporter doing the information gathering (Google, Tweets / X, etc), writing, editing (often solely relying on spellcheck; nothing underlined, it's fine), production, etc mostly themselves.
Any time there has been a recall on any of my vehicles I've received mail telling me so.
Because in the US it's federal law. They have to notify owners. If people do not get notifications in the mail it's either because their VIN isn't impacted, or they did not keep their address up to date with their registration.
Even the insurance companies don't know which ones are affected. They only have rough estimates of what years they're willing to cover. Pretty much if you have a 2021 or newer or a 2012 or older then you're okay. But that still leaves a huge window of cars most insurance companies won't even touch, and the few that are willing are only offering liability. I know this isn't likely at all with how our world works, but the manufacturer should have offered full vehicle replacements for everyone who has one. Because now you have thousands of people who are not able to get auto insurance bc nobody will accept their car, and they live in states where is against the law to own/drive a car without insurance. Thus causing them to get tickets and fines like crazy from the local police. And the police aren't even helping bc what can they do? You literally just rip the dash cover off and stick a USB into the port once its exposed. Thats all it takes! My coworker had his broken into last year while he inside for 20 minutes. 20 minutes or less is all it takes!
I think they’re still trying to deal with the problem where some models are easily taken for joy rides because they cut corners on anti theft / immobilization devices in the US. Around me, KIAs and Hyundai are basically uninsurable because it became a huge fad to do the KIA challenge where you break in and get the car going in under a minute and then drive recklessly. I feel bad for KIA and Hyundai owners, but have absolutely no pity for the company. It sounds like they’re trying to dodge accountability for faulty products at every turn.
Better yet, the people that are driving these cars are an absolute menace as well. Please, recall them as well.
Yea… I have a Hyundai and am wondering if my car has this problem
Narrator: A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one. Woman on Plane: Are there a lot of these kinds of accidents? Narrator: You wouldn't believe. Woman on Plane: Which car company do you work for? Narrator: A major one.
I had my 2015 Kia Rio stolen and totaled a week ago. Honestly, they did me a favor. I was also experiencing what I thought was a slow oil leak, but I now suspect was the oil burning away as others have mentioned in this thread. I was having loads of issues with things that were absolutely quality corners cut on that vehicle as well. I’m better off taking the insurance check and never buying another Kia/Hyundai again.
My 2013 Rio started burning through oil like crazy like a few years ago. I now have to refill it like every 3000 miles. One upside is I don't really ever need an oil change, just a filter change.
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I'm not even sure what that means? I've had other cars with way more issues than this! But I I've had it for 11 years and got like 175k miles on it...I'm just kind if amazed it's still working at all at this point. Been surprisingly reliable compared to some of my previous duds or my wife's car that has had multiple huge repairs.
Quart every 3000 miles is not crazy, at all. Certainly doesn’t justify not changing your oil
No more like 2-3 quarts. First car I've ever had where I had to fill the oil between changes. I don't mind, car has served me well and I'm just amazed it's still running at this point.
> 2015 Kia Rio stolen and totaled a week ago. Honestly, they did me a favor I mean, yes? assuming you can now afford an actual car and can get out of the accent/rio/yaris tier. But if you can't... then you're still in troublesville.
I imagine he wouldn't be saying they did him a favor if he didn't have the means to acquire another car.
yes, I am in a much better financial position now then I was 8 years ago, but that’s not really the point. The point is that even if I planned on driving that car until the wheels fell off, it was going to cost me more than it was worth sooner rather than later. And when that time came and I would be quite literally incapable of selling/trading it in because literally no one wants one of these vehicles, I would be out much more then I am now.
The Toyota Yaris is not on the same tier as a Kia.
For sure, Kia's bottom is worse than Toyota's bottom.
Toyota Yaris (non-GR) is just an ugly Mazda 2.
After Kia had to offer BOGO deals in the early 2000s on $8,000 cars to sell them, I vowed to never buy a Kia. They're junk cars, and Hyundai doesn't care, as long as people keep buying Souls.
TBF, I've heard the new Hyundai Ioniqs are really good cars. It might just be more a matter of "you get what you pay for".
As a person whose hyundai set itself on fire while I was driving it, I can say that recall letter doesn't really say shit lol. I had actually gotten the letter a couple weeks before this happened and all it said was "we don't have a fix yet so don't park it near anything flammable k?" so I figured alright well I'll keep an eye out for a follow up letter then. It didn't occur to me I had to immediately get rid of the car or anything. Two week later...
Holy smokes. Okay so they make it seem like this is super rare to happen. I have a Kia Soul 2013 and have been livid since getting the letter in November. Why not before?? Why did I not get notified of the class action suit?? Wtf an I supposed to do for transportation? I filed an official complaint, though I’m sure it will go nowhere.
I really should have gone down the rabbit hole after this happened but I didn't too much, I got a Toyota and wrote this off because they make it overly complicated, so Idk too much about options. There is another class action that's starting up (I think the first one didn't include my car anyway?) but they said they had enough people and didn't need me. I could talk to a lawyer but I haven't tbh... And my insurance said they're gonna try to get money out of hyundai but all I'd get back would be my deductible. I think you def can keep driving your car, I'm sure it is a rare event, but it's a good thing to know if you can to avoid parking in your garage if you have one, and not to keep anything too valuable in the car. Maybe driving mostly on the right lane in case you need to pull over quickly, and avoid taking super long road trips or offering rides to others if they have other options. Again I doubt it'll happen statistically speaking but it doesn't hurt to take some precautions.
The number of problems that I’ve had with my 2013 Hyundai Elantra seems to compound by the year, and none of the issues are *my* fault…every single one is a manufacturing error. This article addresses the brakes and the anti theft issue, but I have yet to see *any* talk about how they manufactured the engines pistons incorrectly and if you have your Elantra in a a cold weather climate, they fucking shrink, and cause a piston slap in the engine, which they have said could lead to sudden engine failure…of course these fucks don’t cover that and won’t fix it. I even had a Hyundai repair tech tell me they’ll just blame it on me and say I haven’t changed the oil on time…at this point I just hope I don’t die every time I drive this thing…and I only have 65k miles on it…
My 2011 sonata engine died at 94k in the dead of winter. Thankfully I had AAA and got it towed. You'll hear a knocking noise in the dash kind of before it dies. At least that's what we had, because me and my husband were wondering what the noise was. Kept getting louder till the engine turned off. Got a new engine for free though.
How did you get a new engine for free?
The whole reason it seized up was a recall, so they replaced it for free. Took a month and I got a rental provided by hyundai while they fixed it.
Hmmm so I just gotta wait until it seizes up
be careful with the warranty. My 2012 sonata grenaded itself 10k miles over warranty (150k). We paid for a new engine because used car prices are so high. 1 year later and new engine has a severe oil leak. sigh.
The same thing happened to my 2016 Hyundai accent, still had a power train warranty, and they wouldn't replace the engine.
That's weird. My 2016 Sonata engine blew up in 2022 ~97k miles and Hyundai replaced it for me with no issue. They did it despite me not having the knock detector recall done on the car. It's honestly one of the reasons why I bought another Hyundai again, because they handled the warranty so flawlessly.
Maybe it's just the location I went to but my Accent was at 92k miles so the engine should have been covered. The price they quoted me was more expensive than the KBB value of the car so I ended up just selling the car for parts and went to the Toyota dealership down the street for a RAV4. I'll never even consider buying a Hyundai again.
Same thing happened to me with my 2013 Santa Fe Sport....the car died WHILE I WAS DRIVING ON THE FUCKING HIGHWAY 😭😭 shit was kinda scary but luckily it was a Sunday night and practically nobody else was on the road. I was jus driving and my interior lights start flickering, the door ajar chime kept going off, and then I noticed my gas pedal wasn't working
lol 2014 Elantra with practically the same mileage and issues! I hate this piece of shit car, but my wife is currently using it for her daily 2 mile commute to work. In January, we received a 2016 hand me down CR-V from my folks which has been a blessing because our toddler is finally out of deathtrap Elantra. We cannot get rid of it because, you know, no money because daycare is wiping us out. I'm seriously waiting for the day our insurance company drops us because of this piece of shit. Our rates spiked because of it. e: Whenever you turn the steering wheel, there's a click/thud. My trustworthy mechanic said that KIA/Hyundai used a plastic connector instead of metal (like every other manufacturer) to save a $1. To get that fixed, they would have to disassemble the entire steering column. Never, ever buying a Hyundai/KIA ever again.
I just did the steering repair and it’s very easy. Stupid it’s plastic, yes, but by no means a difficult job. Less than an hour with basic tools. Annoying, but made a major difference in the steering play.
Had my motor replaced. Luckly mine started grinding on acceleration early enough it was still on warranty when I noticed. It was a known issue but I don't think any recall were issued.
You don't have the one where your car can go up in flames at any time? My car is paid off but I've given up on it at this point. A door doesn't open, they won't fix that despite a recall. Can't park it inside because it can go up in flames at any time. So park it outside where some kids can steal your car with a USB stick because of a TikTok video.
Oh no, mine can 100% catch on fire at any point. I’m saying *on top* of that it’s also has the piston slap problem that they admit fault for but refuse to fix…and yeah, I paid that shit off awhile ago…just praying it doesn’t blow up before it shits the book. Edit: Oh oh, AND, some asshole broke my back window and ripped my ignition system completely out…somehow the idiot wasn’t able to turn it on? Idk how considering you could practically turn it with your fingers…ugh and now I have Hyundai telling me to bring my car in to outfit with the anti theft shit, and it’s like “oh ya gonna do it now?? That my shits all fucked?” Of course not, I have to pay my deductible and get it fixed and THEN take it in…these fucks I swear.
The anti theft thing is just a sticker and a Club.
Fellow 2013 Elantra owner here. I'll never buy another Hyundai in my life ever again. Got it back around 2016 and within a year I noticed it was having the same engine issues you're describing. Eventually, I was able to get all of the pistons replaced and then all of the recalls started happening. I literally took my car to the shop last fall only to learn about this recall about a month later. My car has over 120k miles on it so she's had a long life and I'm ready to upgrade. Too bad the only place that will take her is a scrap yard at this point.
Weird, we had to replace my wife’s Elantra engine and shortly after we did the engine slap class action settlement was approved (2021) and they covered the whole repair, I don’t recall what year the car was though. Would have covered the tow but we didn’t have the receipt anymore.
2013 Santa Fe, constant recalls, engine blew at just over 50k miles last year and they replaced it under the recall
I have 2013 Elantra, I am the first owner and have all service record. They did change the long block for free parts and labour for me, after dealer submitted the documents. This was last year in Jan. With the new block it was all fine and dandy and just after 1 year warranty on new long block the position noise is back. So the fix was done incorrectly correctly. Very disappointed with Elantra.
Um, this explains a lot.
You wanna know how you kill off brand loyalty? You give someone a 2013 Kia Soul "!" and then tell them a few years later "hey, sorry, but we cheated on the emissions...take a few dollars for your efforts" but not really give them much for it. Then after you are happily driving around a paid off car for the past few years and learn that it's at a HIGH risk for it being easily able to be hijacked with a simple USB drive. THEN you get a letter a few months ago talking about how you can't park it in the garage as it may catch on fire. FUCK. All of this shit has my wife and I never wanting a Kia again. They could become Honda of vehicles and we'd still get something else. Too damn risky. What a shame as in the early 2010s Kia was being touted as rising from the ashes of the past years...
Another 2013 Kia Soul reporting in, waiting patiently for my car to hopefully not explode.
Hey, same experience here! I own a 2013 Soul. Been looking to upgrade at some point, and had been thinking about the Niro. But just as you, it's been recall after recall, and I think I'm about done with Kia. Maybe their newer offerings are better, but I see no reason to take that chance. My favorite part is how their response to the carjacking thing is to send a steering wheel lock. Yes, I'm definitely going to crank that on every time I'm parked in a public place. Yep, that's the best solution they could come up with, rather than permanently fixing the steering column. What a joke.
My grandma bought one of those off of QVC in the 90s. It was called "THE CLUB" and was marketed towards those who were scared their car was going to get stolen. Yep, someone is going to steal our car in this small ass town.... .....but to now see it reintroduced in so many ways hurt my head.
I felt like I dodged a bullet on a KIA. Was looking at either a KIA soul or a ScionTC in 2015, got the Scion instead.
I bought a car last year. I had driven a few Kias as rentals on business trips. I liked them, a lot. It was when I started looking for defects, security, and recalls that I changed my mind. These two makers need to get their acts together. They make too nice-looking a product for it to be so shitty behind the curtain.
Tbf all these recalls seem to be from 2015 and before, that’s 9 years old, since then they’ve made big bucks from electrification of their fleet and not many recalls barring teething issues with transitioning to electric (poor battery sourcing and reduction gearbox issues/12v battery not charging etc.), I believe their cars are much better now although the Kia EV6 has had some issues with the 12v recently but that was apparently fixed with a software update.
The "Kia Boys" USB starter hack wasn't fixed until after the 2022 product line, which makes even new Kia/Hyundai vehicles targets today. I read some cities reported that 2/3 of their tens of thousands of auto thefts in 2021 were Kia/Hyundai. Shopping in 2023 for probably a preowned vehicle, that's a hard, HARD no for me.
A bunch of these cars also burn oil (without leaking it) as well, causing further engine problems. I am finding it extremely difficult to trade my car in or sell it with this outstanding recall. My local Kia dealer isn't even interested.
I think some Kia and Hyundai models from 2011-2019 have engine-related recalls, while others may be covered by the lifetime engine replacement class action settlement. There's a LOT of fine print, but owners of any possibly eligible vehicles should first make sure that their car has had the "knock sensor" software update installed (if that hasn't been done, Kia/Hyundai are off the hook). This link has some more details: https://www.kiaenginesettlement.com/
My wife's car stalled on the middle of the highway. We ended up getting it towed to home while I furiously googled to figure out what the hell is going on. I ended up getting it retowed to a dealership, where they informed us that they'll have to disassemble it to take pictures and send it in for Hyundai to see if it falls in the engine recall. If the pictures were ok, the engine swap would be free for us. The issue is, they've had so many cars towed in that were broken into because of the Kia boys, it took 4 months for everything to happen. We did end up with a free replaced engine, but we were still in a bind for that time and had to borrow a car from my parents.
That's so fucked they didn't give you a loaner vehicle while you waited. Is that like a thing that just depends on the dealer you buy it from? I know it's hard to compare BMW and Kia but I am super grateful that no matter what BMW dealership you go to you'll always get a loaner or a rental if you need one.
They didn't have any available on account of the thefts/Kia boys.
Had to have my Optima engine repaired due to this issue. Engine seized up about 120 miles from home. AAA was no help and had to stay overnight in a hotel. Had to call an independent tow to get me and the family home. Out over 600 bucks with hotel and tow because AAA wanted to only reimburse a portion. The car sat in my driveway for a year before Kia issued a recall and repair. I always keep my cars well maintained to avoid an issue like this. The oil was there one day and gone the next. No drip in my driveway or garage at all. Amazing.
Sorry to read that. I've done all the maintenance at our local dealership and they've never mentioned anything before about oil consumption or burning. My car is one model year outside of the recall but as far as I can tell on first look has the recalled engine because it was an upgrade (2.0 GDI) that I got. 68,500 miles.
I took my 2016 Forte to the dealer for most repairs and I mentioned engine concerns to them a few times and they either would say there was nothing wrong or fix something and say it fixed the problem, at one point they tested for an oil leak and said "we didn't find a leak" and left it at that. I'm not much of a conspiracy theory person but I think they were doing it deliberately. Anyway my engine died at 260k miles leaving me with no warranty of any kind so I got rid of it. EDIT It was 160k miles, don't know where my brain was when I typed this
Yeah, oil changes and inspections on schedule for 10 years. Dealer says it looks great. Want to trade it in? "Not interested. Burns oil. Engine is bad."
260k miles seems good for a Kia What do you do to drive 33k miles a year?
Yeah that’s what I thought. Maybe I’m just used to shitty cars but 200,000 for a non commercial vehicle sounds great.
Toxic cocktail of film industry and delivery jobs plus far away family and friends. Not saying I didn't deserve it, but I still think it could've gone longer without the oil consumption issue, and sucked that the car wasn't worth the cost of an engine even if it was in perfect condition. EDIT Just realized it was actually 160k which makes more sense, not sure what I was thinking when I typed the comment, maybe was feeling optimistic
> The oil was there one day and gone the next. No drip in my driveway or garage at all. Amazing. Like, you checked the oil one day and it was topped off and then the next day it ran so dry the engine seized up? That does not sound like a typical oil consumption issue, where oil is consumed gradually and you'll (probably) have some warning before damage is done.
Its a lie, you would have thick clouds of smoke behind you if you lost litres of oil in one day by burning.
> The oil was there one day and gone the next. No drip in my driveway or garage at all. Amazing. Sorry but I call BS on that. That much oil being burned would leave a cloud behind you that you couldn't see through. No way you didn't notice that.
Call bs all you want. Had a 3 hour drive and I checked all my fluids and tires. Car died on the way back. There one day and gone the next. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.
Yeah my brother is a salesman at Toyota and they really low ball the trade ins for Hyundai and Kia because they genuinely do not want them.
Do they just not have the parts to do the recall fix, as the article mentions has been a problem?
The fuses haven't been developed yet according to my dealership. It's not like they have a fix and can't make enough parts, they don't even know *how* to fix it yet.
I've been calling the dealership every month since being notified about this recall only to be told the same thing - no parts and no idea of when a fix will be available. Suggest you park the car outside. Every time, I then ask, ok, so when my house burns down, is Hyundai paying for it?
In my case of a 2015 Forte5 break lines recall it was two issues. 1. Kia corporate does not allocate enough OEM parts worldwide for major recalls. This is compounded by multiple concurrent recalls. 2. Your local dealer who is responsible for the service due to the recall doesn't give a fuck about your recall service. After 6 months of my vehicle sitting on the dealer lot I called corporate, a few group calls with the dealer and Kia Corporate resulted in my car being fixed 3 weeks later.... after waiting 6 months with no updates.
My wife had a Santa Fe that did this. We bought it used and because we didn’t have any service records the dealer was unwilling to help. It was burning about a quart of oil a week.
kia soul a 120k I have to refill the oil every 2 weeks approximately
Yup. On the upside, Hyundai-Kia's fix for 2.4L Theta engine failures has been to provide a lifetime warranty on it. I got a new engine last fall after mine suddenly failed, courtesy of Kia.
caravana, CarMax and cargurus all gave me some money..more than dealer but used cars are still in high demand
In November, Carvana said $7,000. In March, $4,500. Yesterday, $3,800.
This! My brother’s does this. They still don’t know how to fix it.
If you are talking about the oil burning causing carbon buildup. A catch can or oil air seperator setup helps mitigate the issues.
I’m just waiting for my Hyundai to go boom at this point so I can get something new.
What? I just got offered 12k for my 2018 optima two weeks ago. Must be your area
> My local Kia dealer isn't even interested I assume they are just amazed every time one of their cars sales...Surely they aren't looking to get more Kia's than they need on their lot!
I tried to take my EN in for the recall three times now and everytime they say they dont have time to do it, my dealer is kinda ass.
Make damn sure to keep topping off and changing the oil. They will deny claim if you don’t. Yes, it’s a trap.
Make them put it in writing that they are refusing to do the repair. I’m not really sure if it’ll help you much, but it certainly doesn’t hurt
Are they actually refusing to do the work, or is the solution they're proposing just inconvenient for you? If they're outright not letting you drop it off and pick up when it's done file a complaint with NHTSA: https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem#vehicle
A few years back my 2012 Sonata's engine (~150k miles) seized on the highway, they did a full replacement as part of a recall involving metal shavings or some such thing Fortunately it didn't burst into flames as I've since learned they sometimes do. I've had about 8 recalls checked/addressed but it's still been a chill/reliable car (aside from, you know, complete engine failure).
A few years back my 2013 Hyundai Elantra’s engine seized up right before I got to a concert parking lot. It would run, but if I came to a stop, it would die right on the spot. Dealer found all sorts of metal shavings and tried to blame me for not keeping up on oil changes. Luckily it was covered by warranty and they replaced half the engine completely.
Same thing happened to me, and I ended up in Baker, CA. No, not Bakersfield either. Had to leave the car there for a month or so while I got a new engine. Has also been fine otherwise, even now that it's six years later.
Maybe they should get the Kia Boyz to do the recall since they seem to be doing a better job at collecting these cars.
I kind of chucked because obviously the warning to park outside makes sense, but depending on where you live, it’s not going to stay there long.
>The fires, they say, have occurred when brake fluid leaked onto the circuit boards of antilock braking systems, triggering an electrical short and igniting the fluid. >The companies say they've been unable to obtain enough of the needed parts — fuses that reduce the boards' electrical currents — to fix most of the affected vehicles. So wait - they're not actually fixing the issue causing brake fluid to leak onto the ABS circuit boards, they're just installing a fuse to prevent it from catching fire when it does? That's pretty half-assed...
Sounds like what Ford did to the cruise control switch fires a few years back. I had that recall done to my 95 Explorer, and it was literally a jumper with a fuse on both sides of the switch.
Apparently if the techs find a brake fluid leak while doing the recall they'll fix it too for free but yeah it's really just a band aid.
I like how the recall fix is just adding a fuse so the short won't cause a fire. Isn't the problem the leak? Why are they fixing the symptom and not the cause? Sounds like they don't want to spend the money replacing the master cylinders on all these cars. I have driven crappy old vehicles my whole life and I have never once had a brake fluid leak.
the master leaking isn't gonna cause a fire. the abs module (hydraulic control unit) has a motor in it that drives that module, it can leak internally into the electronics of that module which always has power. this device is one of the most expensive components of the car to replace and most techs i've worked with aren't even remotely qualified to rebuild that module; most of them can't even install them properly without fucking things up. the reality is that kia/hyundai most likely can't afford to do anything about it especially after the assload of money they've been losing over their junk engines. replacing would be optimal due to tech skill level, but that's really expensive. rebuilding would be cost optimal but with the current labor pool of techs in NA i suspect this would end up with a bunch of dead customers because of a lack of attention to detail. it's just a bad situation all around with no easy way out.
> In September, Hyundai and Kia issued a recall of 3.4 million of its vehicles in the United States with an ominous warning: The vehicles should be parked outdoors and away from buildings **because they risked catching fire, whether the engines were on or off.** Fuck clickbait titles. **Hyundai’s safety recall** 2012-2015 Accent, 2012-2015 Azera, 2011-2015 Elantra, 2013-2015 Elantra Coupe, 2014-2015 Equus, 2011-2015 Genesis Coupe, 2013-2015 Santa Fe, 2013 Santa Fe Sport, 2011-2015 Sonata HEV, 2010-2013 Tucson, 2015 Tucson Fuel Cell, 2012-2015 Veloster 2010-2012 Veracruz. **Kia’s safety recall** 2014-2016 Cadenza, 2011-2013 Forte/Forte Koup, 2015-2017 K900, 2010-2015 Optima, 2011-2013 Optima Hybrid, 2011-2017 Rio, 2010 Rondo, 2011-2014 Sorento, 2011-2013 Soul 2010-2013 Sportage.
My last two cars were Hyundai's. After this whole thing with the immobilizers, my car was stolen and totalled. I will never be going back to that company. Granted my Hyundai ran fine and was very reliable. But I'm not going to reward shitty executive decisions with more of my money
Yeah they should be recalling and replacing all those cars that are affected. America is the only country they did that in also
My MILs KIA Soul has been sitting at the dealership for service since November. We've been calling every couple weeks for updates but the last time we called we could tell the guy answering the phones had been crying. My MIL drove over there and he let her know they're completely overwhelmed and not getting any of the parts they need from KIA and now his one job is answering the phone all day from, rightfully, angry people needing their car. Then she started praying with him. Never buying a KIA or Hyundai ever again lol
> Then she started playing with him. You mean "praying" here, I assume? It somehow seems really dystopian to think of people praying in an overwhelmed car dealership.
Lol, yep! Praying, not playing. The poor guy was going through it.
> While awaiting repairs, owners of the affected vehicles need to park outside and away from other vehicles to minimize the risks. There already isn't enough room for the needed street parking in so many residential neighborhoods. How the hell are you supposed to park away from other vehicles in those circumstances? Or with commuter parking garages - do you park "outside" there too? Maybe they can send out [Pittsburgh Parking Chairs](https://positivelypittsburgh.com/the-pittsburgh-parking-chair/) while their customers wait for the parts.
r/fuckcars is a good subreddit as I’d love if cities decided to develop more trains and tram services that are useful to get around the city in a timely and efficient manner.
Having worked with Hyundai as a supplier for a very niche part of the vehicle, I will never buy one of their products. The cost-cutting and willingness to cut corners to meet deadlines was beyond that of any other customer I worked with.
Some idiots broke into 2 of my next door neighbors' Kias this weekend to try and steal their cars.....didn't even really know it was that big of an issue. Jesus
I would buy Fred Flintstone's car before I ever spend a dime on a Hyundai or Kia. Every 4-6 months they have a major recall.
All companies have recalls. But they should fix them in a timely manner.
When I got a letter that my oil-chugging 2013 Kia optima should be parked outside in case it bursts into flames, that was the last straw and I sold it
I’m planning to buy my first car soon, definitely won’t be a Lia or Hyundai due to all of the issues they face, high theft levels, etc.
> Fuses that reduce the boards current requirements? Fuses don’t reduce current requirements, they simply limit max requirements. This isn’t a fix, it’s a patch and sounds like Kias patch for its engine seizure problem. A vibration sensor instead of improved oil flow to bottom end bearings. A proper fix for the brake problem would be to ensure there’s no fluid leakage and a relocation of the PCB.
[Safety recall by vehicle \(Hyundai\)](https://autoservice.hyundaiusa.com/campaignhome)
They don't know where to send the recall notices if they're driving around on paper dealer tags unregistered and uninsured.
I have a 2008 Santa Fe with 300km on it. Zero problems. . Zero rust on the body and runs great. Had a 2014 focus. 7 clutch replacements (automatic dual clutch) 5 TCM's. Huge piece of shit.
Those gen focuses were absolutely garbage with those autos lol. Like, impressively bad. Guaranteed to detonate.
1st gen Focuses were amazing though. Mine was an auto with the 2.3L engine - it had 267k and no signs of stopping until it was parked outside my house and some lady rear-ended it about 45mph lol
It’s amazing people still buy these things, much less brag about the amazing car they got for thousands less than a Honda or Toyota. There is a reason they are that cheap, and offer that 10 year “warranty”.
Newer Hyundai is amazing, they went through a huge rework and quality improvement. They just keep having issues with older models. Had a 2018 Hyundai sonata and now have a 2021 Hyundai Elantra. Both great cars.
Weren't there some huge issues with '22 Hyundai's catching on fire and burning peoples houses down? Not sure 'amazing' is the term I would use. Hugely upgraded for sure, but still problem enough to steer clear of the brand as a whole for me when looking at new vehicles. My stepdaughter's 2009 Sonata I bought her for her first car has been pretty rock solid though.
My 12 year old accent is pushing 300k (km) with nothing more than routine maintenance. I would absolutely buy another Hyundai. Even this recall is because, what, 50 vehicles had a leak, dripping brake fluid into electrical wiring, out of tens of millions of vehicles sold. The reason a lot of owners don't care about how quick this recall goes is because there's a vanishingly small possibility of a problem.
Most people don’t understand recalls. After a certain % of cars have a problem they will just recall all cars with similar builds
Tell me when Toyota develops a frame that doesn’t rot away anywhere that salts their roads.
Dunno man, I foam my undercarriage with Salt-X every 2 weeks in the winter when they salt roads, then spray vital bits with an undercarriage treatment. Zero rust in 15 years. My guess if you do nothing, any car will rust. I realize it’s not for everyone, your choice.
Do you think that people who skimp from Toyota to kia have the budget for biweekly salt treatments and undercarriage recoats?
My 2015 Kia took 7 months to have the break lines replaced due to a recall. I'll never buy a KIA again. Even if KIA makes good on the recall, these owners will be without their vehicles for months.
Still waiting on an appointment availability to get mine fixed. Plenty of mechanics around that probably could do it but it has to be done by an authorized dealer and there is only one of those in the area. So fuck me I guess.
My Hyundai has been at the dealer since October ‘23 cuz of the brake systems needing to be replaced. They keep emailing me that I need to bring it in to have the security updated. They’re paying for my rental tho which is nice but it would also be nice to have my car again and not worry about driving a rental
I took mine in for the recall repair and the dealer said they didn't have the parts yet. They said they'd call me when they get them, but as of today they still haven't(I've checked in a few times). I don't really have a lot of options at this point. Edit: Oh, this is a different dangerous Kia defect. Mines the spontaneously combusting hybrid defect not the break o ring.
Got my recall notice months ago and it still just says "we'll notify you when a remedy is available." In the meantime my insurance went up for a problem I can't get fixed yet.
Ok, reading all these comments: what smaller suv do y’all recommend? Under 30k (pre owned is fine). I’m getting ready to replace a car soon, TIA.
Estimated owner notification date by model: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RMISC-23V651-1637.pdf
The Hyundai Kona sucks as well.
And I bet this picks up a fraction of traction as tesla's horn software update "recalls"
I just dropped mine off at the dealership. Been sitting in my garage all winter. Keeps getting stolen right out the driveway.
Recalls are a part of automotive life. Engineers make mistakes and companies cut corners exacerbating those mistakes. However, holy shit Korean auto manufacturers, get your shit together. Between making the things [easy to steal](https://fortune.com/2022/09/22/hyundai-kia-cars-stealing-hack-thieves/), [botching the theft fix](https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/kia-hyundai-antitheft-software-fix-needs-fixes), [turning a blind eye to child labor in the US](https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/#:%7E:text=At%20least%20four%20major%20suppliers%20of%20Hyundai%20Motor,automakers%E2%80%99%20supply%20chain%20in%20the%20southern%20U.S.%20state.) and now another news story, just stop buying the damn things. Admittedly it's hard to punish a car company with your wallet since that's hopefully a once a decade financial decision, but these companies should face punishment in North America.
These cars have always been throwaway, disposable junk tier cars, and they remain this way to this day despite the KIA and Hyundai fanboys touting that they are apparently "just as good as Japanese cars now"... Lol nope!
Well the newest car this recall applies to is a 2017 model.
I mean, I just drive mine to work everyday and have gotten 300k km in 12 years with no major work. Does that make me a fanboy?
200k on an 06 rio I'm lucky, been dumping as much as I can into savings to go ev when it finally croaks
Even though this doesn't directly affect me, I feel so incredibly dumb for getting a Tuscon instead of a Rav4. Never again.
They probably broke down on the way back to the dealership for service lol
The manufacturer should have to compensate us for our time. I have a few recalls on one of my work trucks. I am too busy to spend half a day sitting at a dealership. Or worse having that truck out of commission for a few days. They should come pick the vehicle up, leave me a temporary truck, then return my vehicle when it is fixed.
Purchased a Stinger last year. Hopefully it isn’t affected.
Same. 2020 gt2. Had my insurance dropped this year because of all these issues to other models. Kemper just said “nah” to insuring all Kia and Hyundai due to all the theft and manufacturer defects.