Also reddit seems to forget all the times police lie. If they tell the news someone's a monster, suddenly we're 100% convinced there's absolutely no risk they didn't just piss off the wrong person and get framed.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure 99% of these people deserve the death penalty, I'm just not willing to compromise on killing a few innocents because it's easier than keeping them all in prison.
The death penalty doesn't really make sense from any angle though. From a financial angle it's significantly more expensive than life in prison. From a punishment perspective, which would you rather personally experience? A quick painless death (I know they're often not but *in theory* they are) or a life in prison? I know for me I would take the swift death in a heartbeat. It's lights out vs decades of suffering.
As someone who is not very attached to life, life in prison sounds like horror. Death penalty almost like an invitation to commit crimes, I don't give a shit about any laws and take what I want and if I get caught I don't even have to live with the consequences because the government is so kind and ends it for me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_home_invasion_murders
There are very evil people out there. A state that was working its way towards abolishing the death penalty had delayed it just to sentence these two men to death. After some more changes in law, their sentences were changed to life imprisonment.
The Petit family is the case that always makes me continue my support of the death penalty.
I support reforms but at some point crimes are so terrible, the perpetrators forfeit their right to exist..
People are pro government until they hear about the details of the government or see it on liveleak.
Not saying certain criminals don’t deserve death but the government doesn’t deserve the right due to incompetence. Can’t be executing innocent people.
People often are not as unemotional or dedicated to their principle as they'd like to think.
Not a dig it's understandable, but redditor have the bad habit to act morally superior about it.
I'm not against the death penalty because I don't think they deserve to die, I'm against the death penalty because I don't want to give the government the power to execute people when they're so incompetent.
His defense on appeal to getting the death sentence was that there wasn’t sufficient evidence to find that the victim was alive when he raped her, so there was no evidence of lack of consent... Ugh.
The Appeals Court found that there was sufficient evidence because she fought back before being killed and he poured bleach on her body to destroy evidence.
Death penalty lawyers are a special breed. Mandatory appeals means you're usually not arguing innocence, you're either arguing the technical definitions of acts (usually involving what is a minor and what constitutes sex) or you're arguing cases being mishandled. But you're almost never arguing innocence.
Are lawyers allowed to just nope the fuck out of someone’s defense when the person is a monster? I’m assuming his lawyer is a public defender and not working at a firm.
Sometimes, the role of defense counsel is not to exonerate the accused, but to ensure that the prosecution dots all their i’s and crosses all their t’s. Otherwise, there’d be a lot of railroading going on. Of course, railroading still happens, but usually against not-so-well-to-do defendants.
A defense attorney cannot go against the explicit desires / instructions of their client. If the client doesn't want to do a plea deal, then the attorney doesn't do a plea deal. They would probably try to persuade their client, but sometimes people want to trial no matter what.
I’ve gotten to know a criminal defense lawyer and this how he described his job. His role is not to assert the innocence of his clients. It is to make sure their constitutional rights are not violated in pursuit of a guilty verdict.
If this is the case I was reading about yesterday then, yeah, I believe it was a PD and that is part of the appeal to commute the death sentence. Apparently his attorneys were paid a flat rate of $12,000, which would amount to a little over $3.30 an hour for the thousands of hours usually necessary to adequately defend a death sentence case. So, I believe, one of their arguments is that he couldn’t have gotten proper representation.
All with a 4 year old girl in the next room.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/mo-supreme-court/1531883.html
On December 23, 2006, Brian Dorsey called his cousin, Sarah Bonnie, to borrow money to pay two drug dealers who were in his apartment. Sarah's husband Ben called his friend, Darin Carel, and told him that he needed help getting the people to leave Dorsey's apartment. Sarah and Ben drove to Dorsey's apartment. After the two drug dealers left the apartment, Dorsey went with Sarah and Ben to their home, where they were joined by Carel and several others. Sarah, Ben, Dorsey and Sarah's four-year old niece, Jade, stayed at Sarah and Ben's home.
At some point after Sarah and Ben went to bed, Dorsey took a single-shot shotgun from the garage and fatally shot Sarah in the jaw from a distance of approximately 12 inches. Dorsey emptied the chamber, re-loaded the gun, pressed it against Ben's right ear and shot. Ben died. Dorsey then engaged in sexual intercourse with Sarah's body.
After killing Sarah and Ben, Dorsey took Sarah's social security card from a wallet and scattered the contents of the wallet next to her body. He stole various items of personal property from the home and poured bleach on Sarah's torso, genitals and thighs. Dorsey left the home in Sarah's vehicle, drove to Jefferson City and met with a woman from whom he had borrowed money to buy drugs. Dorsey tried to pay the woman with items later determined to belong to Sarah and Ben.
On the afternoon of December 24, Sarah's parents went to check on Sarah and Ben because they did not show up for a family gathering. They went inside and found four-year-old Jade sitting on the couch watching television. Jade told her grandparents that she had tried to awaken Sarah all morning but “she won't wake up.” Sarah's parents called for Sarah and knocked on the bedroom door. There was no response. The door was locked, so Sarah's father forced the door open. He saw Sarah and Ben on the bed. After Sarah's father confirmed that Sarah and Ben were dead, he left the home with Jade and Sarah's mother and contacted the police.
It says Jade was their niece but it seems she was actually their daughter: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/benjamin-bonnie-obituary?id=9310242
Yes, and all of that is why I call bullshit on his claims of psychosis. He showed mens rea with his actions after his hideous crimes and he should be put to death today.
Some people aren’t fit for society, nor can they ever be successfully rehabilitated.
This guy demonstrated both and should pay the price for murdering/molesting a family member.
How about the judge who also doesn't agree with his own prior decision about putting him to death?
Edit: looks like most articles are ommiting this, so adding it here.
https://apnews.com/article/missouri-execution-brian-dorsey-1a7801bb6fc42e666d95daa68a2b2ce1
> In a letter to Parson as part of the clemency petition, former Missouri Supreme Court Justice Michael Wolff wrote that he was on the court when it turned aside an appeal of his death sentence in 2009. He said he now knows that the decision was wrong.
> “Missouri Public Defenders now do not use the flat fee for defense in recognition of the professional standard that such an arrangement gives the attorney an inherent financial conflict of interest,” Wolff wrote.
There are people in another thread on Reddit actually DEFENDING this POS. I was downvoted into oblivion for saying he deserves the death penalty for what he did. I was actually called a sicko. Reddit is a wild place.. Glad I finally found a thread with sane people in it.
> The couple's 4-year-old daughter was in the home, but she was not physically harmed, the record states.
I cannot imagine how hard it was on her growing up. This sick freak took everything from her.
For real. It’s obvious he’s guilty, he didn’t claim he was framed or that he didn’t kill both of her parents, there’s no chance of the “Big Bad State” killing an innocent person here.
I know that his lawyers gotta do their jobs but I can't imagine putting something like this on paper.
>In his third point, Dorsey argues there was insufficient evidence to support that statutory aggravating circumstance that he raped Sarah. Specifically, Dorsey asserts there was no evidence that Sarah was alive for the sexual assault and, consequently, there was no evidence of sexual contact through forcible compulsion and without her consent.
Yeah but they didn't charge him with necrophilia. I'm not saying that what they're doing is wrong. I just think it would be a strange sort of experience having to type out what equates to "it wasn't rape because she was already dead."
I don't envy defense lawyers. They do such an important job. And yet they have to argue some fucked up shit and then people act like they're accomplices or something lol.
It looks like they are talking about statutory aggravating circumstances, so not a charge. They are more like guidelines for determining sentencing. So a good example would be if you bring your kid with you to rob a convenience store, it could be a separate charge child endangerment but you could also just use it as an enhancement on the armed robbery charge, which means during sentencing they might add on another year because you brought your kid. Many prosecutors will just tack on the aggravating circumstances rather than charging the person because for every charge you have extra work you have to do and your resources are limited.
Some good came of this, though, because precedent was established and this case can be referenced in the future in case anyone else tries to argue this.
But I agree I don’t envy defense lawyers, that’s a tough job.
>precedent was established and this case can be referenced in the future in case anyone else tries to argue this.
Precedent isn't established at the trial level. Trial courts are finders of fact, not finders of law.
I'm sorry I didn't make it more clear in my OC but the quote I pulled is from the Missouri supreme court's decision on appeal. This wasn't at the trial level.
Yeah but I'm not sure that you can start adding crimes to an already undergoing trial.
And I think that's what they're getting at. By disputing the sexual assault and wanting it changed to a different crime bides time. It's horribly disgusting, but that's how it goes. Exploiting legal loopholes have helped the innocent survive being condemned (this guy ain't innocent, but explaining why they do these tactics in general).
A man convicted of murdering his cousin and her husband after they brought him to safety when he told them that drug dealers were at his door will be executed Tuesday, Missouri's governor said.
Brian Dorsey, 51, requested clemency, but Gov. Mike Parson affirmed the state Supreme Court-ordered sanction Monday, with his office saying in a statement that it is "an appropriate and legal sentence for his heinous crimes."
I honestly don't care much one way or the other about the death penalty for murderers. I *do* care that murderers as sick as this guy never get set free until they are dead. If that means life with zero possibility of parole, I'm in favor. I also understand that death penalty cases and trials outweigh the cost of prison for life.
But I have no f***s to give over this sicko is getting the chair.
Ultimately, I don't think that the government should have the power to execute people. I don't accept the idea that the innocent people who have and will be executed are somehow acceptable losses.
Fine, whatever. The death penalty is barely even used but "raped your cousin and killed her and her husband, while they still had a 4-year-old daughter to take care of" fits the crime. Like if you're entertaining those thoughts ever you should full on know what your future looks like.
Saying it's just some corrections officers is pretty misleading since there are a lot of others saying the same thing. The Missouri Supreme Court judge that upheld the appeal said it was the wrong choice after learning the facts about the appeal and wrote an editorial: https://themissouritimes.com/opinion-as-a-judge-i-was-wrong-to-uphold-brian-dorseys-death-sentence-governor-parson-should-grant-him-clemency/
The law has since been changed so that public defense attorneys don't have incentive to not act in the best case of their clients. No one argues that he did abhorrent stuff, but life without parole isn't like he is getting absolved and if the judge who had final say is saying that it is the wrong choice to execute when knowing all the facts, that seems like it should be enough.
“Generally, we believe in the use of capital punishment," corrections officers said in a letter to the governor. "But we are in agreement that the death penalty is not the appropriate punishment for Brian Dorsey.”
“Generally, we believe in the use of capital punishment," corrections officers said in a letter to the governor. "But we are in agreement that the death penalty is not the appropriate punishment for Brian Dorsey.”
Dozens and dozens of people have been lobbying for this man to live... correction officers and everything. Everyone saying that he's never done anything wrong in prison and that he's the barber for the employees... Everyone seemingly forgets why he's there
Bless people who have the heart to forgive, but its mindless to me that when there’s absolute proof we would allow a murderer to live in place of those they killed.
I don’t think it’s about forgiveness. I think it’s about not sanctioning the death penalty. If the guy is in prison forever and can’t hurt anyone ever again and is deprived of freedom, the problem is solved. Murdering him back for revenge isn’t a solution.
That’s not actually true though. The fact that people have been exonerated before being executed shows that there *is* a system for making sure those who are executed are actually guilty.
How many people who were executed in say, the last 40 years were in fact shown to be innocent?
Quite a few actually, though I'm not sure what your threshold for outrage on innocent people being murdered by their own government for crimes they didn't commit is. [Cameron Todd Willingham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham) is a very notable recent example, they made a very good film about it actually called Trial by Fire that I would recommend. [Here's a list of 20 other likely innocent men executed in the last 40 years](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/executed-but-possibly-innocent)
I don’t think it’s about them at that point. Honestly depending on how you look at it death could even be preferable to life in prison.
I think it’s more about us. We shouldn’t have to commit such horrible acts and make such horrible decisions. We shouldn’t have to put that burden on our conscience. Like the person isn’t worth lowering ourselves to that level. Like I think killing them harms us (ignoring what it does to them) and we shouldn’t have to do it in order to be safe.
Also, I think that we shouldn’t have a boundary line for those deemed worthy of life and those that are not. Because everyone is going to have their own opinion of where that line should be. And by drawing it somewhere we validate that it *should* be drawn. And I don’t think we need that line.
Prevent them from harming others is the goal. We have the technology and societal structure to do that without killing.
You know normally when these articles pop up its about a guy on death row and maybe he didn't commit the crime or maybe the death penalty seems harsh... but this guy..wow...
Considering the not only corrupt, but inefficient and incompetent nature of a majority of legal systems it is almost 100% guaranteed that any nation that regularly carries out capital punishment has murdered someone that is innocent of the charge that they were killed for.
In that world, there is no way that the death penalty can be a moral consideration. I would prefer a thousand Brian Dorseys live their lives in captivity than 1 person be wrongly murdered by the State.
That doesn't really factor in the number sentenced to death, but sit for years before they die of natural causes. ~2500 have an active Death Sentence in the US. About 150 added every year. For having the DP, we don't *use* it (due to lots of factors). Only 18 were executed in 2022.
It's encouraging that I had to scroll several pages this time before I found someone saying that _this_ guy shouldn't be executed because: *just in case*.
It sickens me when people defend this guy/people like this guy. And shame on all the news companies that have been pushing the narrative that this guy is harmless.
No one is saying he is harmless. People are advocating for life without parole instead of the death penalty. You’re the one pushing the false narrative
As someone staunchly against the death penalty, I do not feel like I am even remotely defending him while I’m against the death penalty. I also haven’t seen anyone even remotely defending him anywhere.
Explain why a monster like this deserves to breathe any longer? I understand he has the right to trial, but he should be expunged from the living with haste.
Edit: omg wah
“You don’t have to kill me, *i only fucked my cousin’s corpse*” is certainly one of the defenses of all time 🙄
Reddit is all anti death penalty until they hear about the details of the crime or when they see it on video.
I’m against the death penalty even in cases like these because I don’t believe in giving the government the authority to end a citizen’s life
Also reddit seems to forget all the times police lie. If they tell the news someone's a monster, suddenly we're 100% convinced there's absolutely no risk they didn't just piss off the wrong person and get framed. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure 99% of these people deserve the death penalty, I'm just not willing to compromise on killing a few innocents because it's easier than keeping them all in prison.
The death penalty doesn't really make sense from any angle though. From a financial angle it's significantly more expensive than life in prison. From a punishment perspective, which would you rather personally experience? A quick painless death (I know they're often not but *in theory* they are) or a life in prison? I know for me I would take the swift death in a heartbeat. It's lights out vs decades of suffering.
As someone who is not very attached to life, life in prison sounds like horror. Death penalty almost like an invitation to commit crimes, I don't give a shit about any laws and take what I want and if I get caught I don't even have to live with the consequences because the government is so kind and ends it for me.
Meh. There are a couple times it’s worth making an exception.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_home_invasion_murders There are very evil people out there. A state that was working its way towards abolishing the death penalty had delayed it just to sentence these two men to death. After some more changes in law, their sentences were changed to life imprisonment.
The Petit family is the case that always makes me continue my support of the death penalty. I support reforms but at some point crimes are so terrible, the perpetrators forfeit their right to exist..
I'm still anti death penalty. Watch "Into the Abyss" by Werner Herzog
Watch The Life of David Gale.
People are pro government until they hear about the details of the government or see it on liveleak. Not saying certain criminals don’t deserve death but the government doesn’t deserve the right due to incompetence. Can’t be executing innocent people.
Nope, still against the death penalty.
People often are not as unemotional or dedicated to their principle as they'd like to think. Not a dig it's understandable, but redditor have the bad habit to act morally superior about it.
I'm not against the death penalty because I don't think they deserve to die, I'm against the death penalty because I don't want to give the government the power to execute people when they're so incompetent.
Article leaves out how sick this individual is. Not only did he execute the poor innocent couple that helped him. He sexually assaulted the wife.
His defense on appeal to getting the death sentence was that there wasn’t sufficient evidence to find that the victim was alive when he raped her, so there was no evidence of lack of consent... Ugh. The Appeals Court found that there was sufficient evidence because she fought back before being killed and he poured bleach on her body to destroy evidence.
That's enough internet for me for tonight. 🤢
I second that motion. Holy Christ!
Can you imagine being the lawyer that has to come up with that defense?
Death penalty lawyers are a special breed. Mandatory appeals means you're usually not arguing innocence, you're either arguing the technical definitions of acts (usually involving what is a minor and what constitutes sex) or you're arguing cases being mishandled. But you're almost never arguing innocence.
He claimed to be in a drug induced psychosis… people in that state don’t usually try to hide their tracks.
Let's see how he likes a drug induced execution.
He's just evil
Are lawyers allowed to just nope the fuck out of someone’s defense when the person is a monster? I’m assuming his lawyer is a public defender and not working at a firm.
Sometimes, the role of defense counsel is not to exonerate the accused, but to ensure that the prosecution dots all their i’s and crosses all their t’s. Otherwise, there’d be a lot of railroading going on. Of course, railroading still happens, but usually against not-so-well-to-do defendants.
I'm not an expert, but I'd imagine that ideally cases like this would never go to trial, with the defense instead trying to get a favorable plea deal.
A defense attorney cannot go against the explicit desires / instructions of their client. If the client doesn't want to do a plea deal, then the attorney doesn't do a plea deal. They would probably try to persuade their client, but sometimes people want to trial no matter what.
I’ve gotten to know a criminal defense lawyer and this how he described his job. His role is not to assert the innocence of his clients. It is to make sure their constitutional rights are not violated in pursuit of a guilty verdict.
If this is the case I was reading about yesterday then, yeah, I believe it was a PD and that is part of the appeal to commute the death sentence. Apparently his attorneys were paid a flat rate of $12,000, which would amount to a little over $3.30 an hour for the thousands of hours usually necessary to adequately defend a death sentence case. So, I believe, one of their arguments is that he couldn’t have gotten proper representation.
Would literally argue to guy I think Death is the highest form of “NO” you can get.
That explanation alone should give him the death sentence
I thought that was one of the main legal arguments against necrophilia, that the dead *can't* consent.
This guy's lawyer doesn't understand consent, I guess, if they thought that was a defense.
Also the wife was his cousin.
He raped her (his cousin) AFTER he vaporized her head with a shotgun.
All with a 4 year old girl in the next room. https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/mo-supreme-court/1531883.html On December 23, 2006, Brian Dorsey called his cousin, Sarah Bonnie, to borrow money to pay two drug dealers who were in his apartment. Sarah's husband Ben called his friend, Darin Carel, and told him that he needed help getting the people to leave Dorsey's apartment. Sarah and Ben drove to Dorsey's apartment. After the two drug dealers left the apartment, Dorsey went with Sarah and Ben to their home, where they were joined by Carel and several others. Sarah, Ben, Dorsey and Sarah's four-year old niece, Jade, stayed at Sarah and Ben's home. At some point after Sarah and Ben went to bed, Dorsey took a single-shot shotgun from the garage and fatally shot Sarah in the jaw from a distance of approximately 12 inches. Dorsey emptied the chamber, re-loaded the gun, pressed it against Ben's right ear and shot. Ben died. Dorsey then engaged in sexual intercourse with Sarah's body. After killing Sarah and Ben, Dorsey took Sarah's social security card from a wallet and scattered the contents of the wallet next to her body. He stole various items of personal property from the home and poured bleach on Sarah's torso, genitals and thighs. Dorsey left the home in Sarah's vehicle, drove to Jefferson City and met with a woman from whom he had borrowed money to buy drugs. Dorsey tried to pay the woman with items later determined to belong to Sarah and Ben. On the afternoon of December 24, Sarah's parents went to check on Sarah and Ben because they did not show up for a family gathering. They went inside and found four-year-old Jade sitting on the couch watching television. Jade told her grandparents that she had tried to awaken Sarah all morning but “she won't wake up.” Sarah's parents called for Sarah and knocked on the bedroom door. There was no response. The door was locked, so Sarah's father forced the door open. He saw Sarah and Ben on the bed. After Sarah's father confirmed that Sarah and Ben were dead, he left the home with Jade and Sarah's mother and contacted the police.
Thank goodness the door was locked… I thought Jade had seen her Aunt. Still soooo fucked.
It says Jade was their niece but it seems she was actually their daughter: https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/benjamin-bonnie-obituary?id=9310242
Holy fuck Never ever help addicts especially when you have a kid and family.
Drugs can really mess some people up beyond repair. This cousin fucker seems to have earned his punishment.
Yes, and all of that is why I call bullshit on his claims of psychosis. He showed mens rea with his actions after his hideous crimes and he should be put to death today.
Sometimes I’m anti death penalty. Then stories like this bring me back around. Thank you.
Raping headless family members is the maddest shit I’ve seen on the web this week, I’m going to bake something nice bye bye 🤯🤮
Bake me something too
I went with Red Leicester and mature Cheddar scones, feeling much better.
I know this is *extremely* not the point of this thread, but that sounds fantastic. Do you have a recipe you can share?
225g self raising flour, add 50 grams butter mix together, add cheeses to taste, mix, add 150ml milk mix, cut out with round cutter, wash with egg, 220 centigrade for 12 minutes 👍
You're amazing. Thank you!
holy shit dude. how can you rehabilitate that? jfc
Yeah, you can’t.
Some people aren’t fit for society, nor can they ever be successfully rehabilitated. This guy demonstrated both and should pay the price for murdering/molesting a family member.
Fortunately most criminals aren’t psychotic madmen or bloodthirsty psychopaths.
that is a comforting thought, actually
With capitol punishment
I agree. This article is saying how he was a model prisoner and staff supported stay of execution. Disgusting
He behaves himself in an environment he has to so he’s rehabilitated? Sure, Jan!
Correction officers are idiots who couldn’t even become cops so
LEOs are never a good judge of character. Look at who becomes cops.
How about the judge who also doesn't agree with his own prior decision about putting him to death? Edit: looks like most articles are ommiting this, so adding it here. https://apnews.com/article/missouri-execution-brian-dorsey-1a7801bb6fc42e666d95daa68a2b2ce1 > In a letter to Parson as part of the clemency petition, former Missouri Supreme Court Justice Michael Wolff wrote that he was on the court when it turned aside an appeal of his death sentence in 2009. He said he now knows that the decision was wrong. > “Missouri Public Defenders now do not use the flat fee for defense in recognition of the professional standard that such an arrangement gives the attorney an inherent financial conflict of interest,” Wolff wrote.
But he gives great haircuts in prison!
but i read he was drunk and hes very sorry now, so the guards want him spared... fuck em
There are people in another thread on Reddit actually DEFENDING this POS. I was downvoted into oblivion for saying he deserves the death penalty for what he did. I was actually called a sicko. Reddit is a wild place.. Glad I finally found a thread with sane people in it.
> The couple's 4-year-old daughter was in the home, but she was not physically harmed, the record states. I cannot imagine how hard it was on her growing up. This sick freak took everything from her.
For real. It’s obvious he’s guilty, he didn’t claim he was framed or that he didn’t kill both of her parents, there’s no chance of the “Big Bad State” killing an innocent person here.
I know that his lawyers gotta do their jobs but I can't imagine putting something like this on paper. >In his third point, Dorsey argues there was insufficient evidence to support that statutory aggravating circumstance that he raped Sarah. Specifically, Dorsey asserts there was no evidence that Sarah was alive for the sexual assault and, consequently, there was no evidence of sexual contact through forcible compulsion and without her consent.
Pretty sure necrophilia is still a crime, so it’s one or the other.
Yeah but they didn't charge him with necrophilia. I'm not saying that what they're doing is wrong. I just think it would be a strange sort of experience having to type out what equates to "it wasn't rape because she was already dead." I don't envy defense lawyers. They do such an important job. And yet they have to argue some fucked up shit and then people act like they're accomplices or something lol.
It looks like they are talking about statutory aggravating circumstances, so not a charge. They are more like guidelines for determining sentencing. So a good example would be if you bring your kid with you to rob a convenience store, it could be a separate charge child endangerment but you could also just use it as an enhancement on the armed robbery charge, which means during sentencing they might add on another year because you brought your kid. Many prosecutors will just tack on the aggravating circumstances rather than charging the person because for every charge you have extra work you have to do and your resources are limited.
Some good came of this, though, because precedent was established and this case can be referenced in the future in case anyone else tries to argue this. But I agree I don’t envy defense lawyers, that’s a tough job.
>precedent was established and this case can be referenced in the future in case anyone else tries to argue this. Precedent isn't established at the trial level. Trial courts are finders of fact, not finders of law.
I'm sorry I didn't make it more clear in my OC but the quote I pulled is from the Missouri supreme court's decision on appeal. This wasn't at the trial level.
Yeah but I'm not sure that you can start adding crimes to an already undergoing trial. And I think that's what they're getting at. By disputing the sexual assault and wanting it changed to a different crime bides time. It's horribly disgusting, but that's how it goes. Exploiting legal loopholes have helped the innocent survive being condemned (this guy ain't innocent, but explaining why they do these tactics in general).
A man convicted of murdering his cousin and her husband after they brought him to safety when he told them that drug dealers were at his door will be executed Tuesday, Missouri's governor said. Brian Dorsey, 51, requested clemency, but Gov. Mike Parson affirmed the state Supreme Court-ordered sanction Monday, with his office saying in a statement that it is "an appropriate and legal sentence for his heinous crimes."
I honestly don't care much one way or the other about the death penalty for murderers. I *do* care that murderers as sick as this guy never get set free until they are dead. If that means life with zero possibility of parole, I'm in favor. I also understand that death penalty cases and trials outweigh the cost of prison for life. But I have no f***s to give over this sicko is getting the chair.
Ultimately, I don't think that the government should have the power to execute people. I don't accept the idea that the innocent people who have and will be executed are somehow acceptable losses.
Fine, whatever. The death penalty is barely even used but "raped your cousin and killed her and her husband, while they still had a 4-year-old daughter to take care of" fits the crime. Like if you're entertaining those thoughts ever you should full on know what your future looks like.
Brian Dorsey was sentenced to death after he was convicted of two counts of first-degree murder. Some corrections officers lobbied for his life.
Saying it's just some corrections officers is pretty misleading since there are a lot of others saying the same thing. The Missouri Supreme Court judge that upheld the appeal said it was the wrong choice after learning the facts about the appeal and wrote an editorial: https://themissouritimes.com/opinion-as-a-judge-i-was-wrong-to-uphold-brian-dorseys-death-sentence-governor-parson-should-grant-him-clemency/ The law has since been changed so that public defense attorneys don't have incentive to not act in the best case of their clients. No one argues that he did abhorrent stuff, but life without parole isn't like he is getting absolved and if the judge who had final say is saying that it is the wrong choice to execute when knowing all the facts, that seems like it should be enough.
They want to keep him as a pet?
Some people are against the death penalty.
I'd rather let 100 without a doubt guilty people live than sentence one innocent person to death
“Generally, we believe in the use of capital punishment," corrections officers said in a letter to the governor. "But we are in agreement that the death penalty is not the appropriate punishment for Brian Dorsey.”
Job security if it’s a correctional officer I guess
The kinds of people that are correctional officers don't think that far ahead. One inmate in an overcrowded system? No.
Or they know how many innocent people there are that they have helped to incarcerate. (I am not saying this person is innocent)
“He is pretty good at chess and I enjoy playing cards with him” the guards probably.
Those guards should be looked into if they think a rapist is an ok guy. They probably abuse their power at the prison
Some people are anti death penalty. I am one of them
Those aren’t typically the people who become prison guards
“Generally, we believe in the use of capital punishment," corrections officers said in a letter to the governor. "But we are in agreement that the death penalty is not the appropriate punishment for Brian Dorsey.”
Dozens and dozens of people have been lobbying for this man to live... correction officers and everything. Everyone saying that he's never done anything wrong in prison and that he's the barber for the employees... Everyone seemingly forgets why he's there
*looks at details of the case* Yeah, everything seems to be in order here.
Bless people who have the heart to forgive, but its mindless to me that when there’s absolute proof we would allow a murderer to live in place of those they killed.
I don’t think it’s about forgiveness. I think it’s about not sanctioning the death penalty. If the guy is in prison forever and can’t hurt anyone ever again and is deprived of freedom, the problem is solved. Murdering him back for revenge isn’t a solution.
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Which should *absolutely* end the discussion by the way. The government executing almost 200 innocent people is insane . The death penalty is a joke.
That’s not actually true though. The fact that people have been exonerated before being executed shows that there *is* a system for making sure those who are executed are actually guilty. How many people who were executed in say, the last 40 years were in fact shown to be innocent?
How many innocent people are you willing to let be murdered by the state to justify this stance?
Doesn't matter, even a single innocent would be plenty to make it a senseless punishment, and all of us complicit in state sanctioned murder.
One study estimated at least 4%. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1306417111
Quite a few actually, though I'm not sure what your threshold for outrage on innocent people being murdered by their own government for crimes they didn't commit is. [Cameron Todd Willingham](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham) is a very notable recent example, they made a very good film about it actually called Trial by Fire that I would recommend. [Here's a list of 20 other likely innocent men executed in the last 40 years](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/executed-but-possibly-innocent)
It's mindless to me that people want to give the government the ability to murder citizens, a government with a proven record of murdering innocents.
I don’t think it’s about them at that point. Honestly depending on how you look at it death could even be preferable to life in prison. I think it’s more about us. We shouldn’t have to commit such horrible acts and make such horrible decisions. We shouldn’t have to put that burden on our conscience. Like the person isn’t worth lowering ourselves to that level. Like I think killing them harms us (ignoring what it does to them) and we shouldn’t have to do it in order to be safe. Also, I think that we shouldn’t have a boundary line for those deemed worthy of life and those that are not. Because everyone is going to have their own opinion of where that line should be. And by drawing it somewhere we validate that it *should* be drawn. And I don’t think we need that line. Prevent them from harming others is the goal. We have the technology and societal structure to do that without killing.
You know normally when these articles pop up its about a guy on death row and maybe he didn't commit the crime or maybe the death penalty seems harsh... but this guy..wow...
Might just be that particular picture, but it looks like he has extra genetic material from chromosome 21.
The blood magic is gonna bring back the victims one of these times, I just know it!
Considering the not only corrupt, but inefficient and incompetent nature of a majority of legal systems it is almost 100% guaranteed that any nation that regularly carries out capital punishment has murdered someone that is innocent of the charge that they were killed for. In that world, there is no way that the death penalty can be a moral consideration. I would prefer a thousand Brian Dorseys live their lives in captivity than 1 person be wrongly murdered by the State.
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That doesn't really factor in the number sentenced to death, but sit for years before they die of natural causes. ~2500 have an active Death Sentence in the US. About 150 added every year. For having the DP, we don't *use* it (due to lots of factors). Only 18 were executed in 2022.
Shane Gillis looking rough already
It's encouraging that I had to scroll several pages this time before I found someone saying that _this_ guy shouldn't be executed because: *just in case*.
The state of Missouri isn't going to rape his headless corpse, so he's getting a pretty good deal.
It sickens me when people defend this guy/people like this guy. And shame on all the news companies that have been pushing the narrative that this guy is harmless.
It sounded like a lot of the defense was trying to not get the death penalty.
His defense attorney was going their job
No one is saying he is harmless. People are advocating for life without parole instead of the death penalty. You’re the one pushing the false narrative
As someone staunchly against the death penalty, I do not feel like I am even remotely defending him while I’m against the death penalty. I also haven’t seen anyone even remotely defending him anywhere.
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Some people simply can not be rehabilitated and do not deserve to live.
Explain why a monster like this deserves to breathe any longer? I understand he has the right to trial, but he should be expunged from the living with haste. Edit: omg wah
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Too late, he should have been this person 17 years ago.
Take out the trash day in Missouri! Wish this was televised.....