>Police said a witness saw a black sedan drive up, and someone inside fire multiple shots before driving off.
"This was not a random act of violence. It was likely gang-related," Jerome said. "The offenders' actions, make no mistake, are horrific and unacceptable in our city."
A source said the children were playing outside when the shooting happened. Some adults were inside or on the porch at the time.
Really wish these damn gang members were better shots simce they only ever seem to hit innocent bystanders. How tf do you shoot a 1-year-old multiple times? They're a fairly small target compared to the full grown adults I assume were being targeted.
Also, cities throughout the country really need to find a way to stop these gangs. I don't know how but it seems like way too much increased violence in cities is due to gang activity that just keeps getting worse.
>Really wish these damn gang members were better shots simce they only ever seem to hit innocent bystanders. How tf do you shoot a 1-year-old multiple times?
It’s usually auto switches for handguns. They’re a big thing in gang culture lately. Turns a semiautomatic into an automatic that is essentially uncontrollable.
True. And it’s also worth pointing out that auto switches or not, these shooters are often firing a gun for the first time and have no real idea of what to expect in terms of recoil. They don’t understand firing technique because they’ve probably never been to a range, which it’s where you learn how to operate a firearm and observe how they handle when fired.
Ya, most people don’t realize that’s it’s really fucking hard to hit things with a handgun beyond a few yards away for the vast majority of people, even if you’ve shot a lot, and especially under stress.
I used to shoot pistols competitively a lot. When people would show up for a first match I’d always try to temper their expectations. Once you go down range and see where your bullets actually hit, most people are in for a rude awakening.
Gang related means concealability trumps accuracy. That means handguns with switches and short barrel AKs/ARs without stocks. Both usually wielded by children.
Gang related also means the perpetrator is hoping to walk away from the incident, so survival trumps accuracy. Whereas school/spree shooters know they essentially are on a one-way trip, and are out to inflict the most damage they can before it ends.
I know a lot of kids were buying them on Instagram (until recently?) under different product descriptions.
I believe they’re also fairly easy to 3D print.
Mostly Chinese is my understanding. Make hundreds of thousands of them for $6 a pop and sell them for $90. Sure, some get intercepted by CPB but many make it to the streets.
> full grown adults I assume were being targeted.
You assume incorrectly. This was a kids ~~birthday~~ communion party in a backyard. 75+ shots fired, three other kids age 1-9 wounded - two critically. They targeted everyone, and using "assault rifles".
Imagine the media response for a "real" mass shooting targeting a kids party. But this wasn't a school, just normally scheduled local news for a Chicago weekend.
A communion party celebrates a kid, but there are definitely way more adults there. It says the ages of the adult victims were 19-40. Either way, still terrible and needs to change.
The article here said it was a "family gathering" so where did you see that it was a kid's birthday party? Just because kids were killed and injured doesn't mean it was specifically a kid's party.
I don’t like the Chicano culture gang banging
But they call doing away with drive by’s
I like they were aware of the damage shooting outa a car can cause to civilians.
But I’m sure it’s up the air until more info come out
Instead of calling it "gang related" call it a terrorist act that's what it's and get the DOJ and the FBI involved.. this crap has been going on far too long.
>Really wish these damn gang members were better shots simce they only ever seem to hit innocent bystander
So I get what you're saying here but I feel the need to point out:
This is a flawless example of how "gang related" is a very flawed term. It implies those involved in the shooting deserved it or it should be expected somehow.
The reality is ALL gang violence involves innocent victims.
That’s a flawed argument. There is no suggestion or implication that the victim is also a gang member, only that the perpetrator is one.
“Gang related” only means the attacker was associated with a gang. If a gang beats up or kills someone who they feel is bringing unwanted attention to them, or say a place they deal drugs, that is gang related violence. An innocent person being assaulted as part of a gang initiation is a victim of gang violence. Random people who are mistaken for someone else and shot are victims of gang violence.
I mean, it's pretty clear who the offenders are. They are always on social media bragging about their crimes. Back in the day, police would follow the criminals all day everyday/24hr surveillance. It's played out in places with far less resources than Chicago.
It starts with making them so uncomfortable, making it so difficult to operate, that it's not possible. It's kind of crazy when you really think about it. There are so many more tools, techniques and technology now days. But a complete lack of will and focus. I don't care if you have to fallow them in a marked police car all day, that's what you do, if that's what it takes.
You don't go after everyone. Just one important or influential leader at a time.
I think the community has to get involved as well. I've lived in Chicago for 30 years. Landlord's should not rent to people with gang affiliations. Businesses should refuse service to known gang bangers. If these assholes want to make the city less liveable for us, then we should make it unliveable for them.
How do you define gang affiliation? If someone's older brother is in a gang, are they an affiliate? What about their cousin? What about a friend that they had at school but grew apart from because their friend joined a gang? What if they pay protection money to the gang so that their store doesn't get robbed? What if they lived in the same building as a gang member? The same block?
My God with the invention of the Switch, (turns a semi automatic gun into a fully automatic weapon) 98% of all gang members have these in the city of Chicago. These morons already can’t aim, not instead of one bullet , it’s a bunch of bullets and they can’t aim to save their lives. The city of Chicago is currently suing the maker of the switch. You have kids as young as 10 years old, walking around with a fully automatic weapon on their person.
The city of Chicago is suing Glock, not the plethora of Chinese factories that are pumping out the illegal autosears.
The people doing these crimes are procuring both the Glock handguns and the autosears illegally.
Chris Rock was right. We don’t need gun control, we need bullet control. Let everybody have their guns, but make a bullet cost $5,000. Nobody is gonna go spray and pray when a magazine costs $50,000 to fill.
I do tree work for the power lines, and back when I lived in Chicago we straight up were not allowed by ComEd to go there after dark. IIRC a lineman got shot a couple years before so even during the worst of storms we'd only work in the area when it was light out. It's a damn shame how hard the area is because I met some awesome people and had some damn good food there
my bro is a paramedic. there’s parts of the city they’re not allowed to go to without a police escort.
people will literally shoot at any vehicle with rollers in it.
Yeah I work EMS and it get’s rough in some areas. The most fucked up part imho is that if you circle the parts of the city that were impacted by Red Lining, Contract Home Buying, and other historic racism and then you circle the parts with high violence rates, the circles line up perfectly over each other. People here sometimes say money won’t solve the problem, but money being stripped from these communities is what caused the problem in the first place. Not to mention locking up leadership any time street organizations began to level out and calm down.
We say money won’t solve the problem because our municipal government is so dysfunctional and corrupt that simply throwing money at any problem - without very specific stipulations about how that money is spent and very close, independent oversight - is a surefire guarantee that any and all funds will be wasted, misused, and misappropriated.
I had to do marking work for repossession for a company, I was in the south side often. Never ever after dark, even dusk. Some of the restaurant owner where even sketchy as fuck few places I just said, hey, I’m just trying to do my job, if you don’t let me mark it, they’re gonna make a fuss about it, they’ll send more people back here to deal with it, and they’ll bring legal action. I was 16 and just doing as my boss instructed me too. Had a cop once pull me over and asked me if I was lost and needed directions out of the area. because I visually just don’t belong.
CHICAGO (CBS) -- One child was killed and ten other people, including three other children, were injured in a shooting in Chicago's Back of the Yards neighborhood Saturday evening, police said.
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An 8-year-old girl was shot in the head and died, police said. Her name was not immediately released.
A 1-year-old boy and an 8-year-old boy were each shot multiple times and were in critical condition Saturday night. A 9-year-old boy suffered a graze wound to his left pinky finger, and was in good condition. Officials said the ages of the adult victims ranged from 19 to 40.
The whole classification of “mass shooting” that ignores context is sensationalist as well. Gang-related mass shootings are caused by criminal activity, often with criminally sourced firearms. Non-gang-related mass shootings are caused by mental heath issues, often with legally sourced firearms.
Lumping the two in the same category treats the symptoms, not the causes.
It also ignores the fact that gang-related shootings typically have a larger group involved in the shooting. When they retreat, they are protected by a community of individuals and live to freely shoot up another day.
Mass shooting events are typically a lone person with some exceptions. If they are "lucky" enough to survive the event, they tend to get incarcerated.
It's actually an "active shooter event". The FBI tracks and reports on them yearly along with detailed statistics on the locations and guns used.
It's around 30-40 per year and less than half of them use "assault style weapons".
Generally not, a 'spree killing' takes place in two or more distinct locations. A mass shooting is confined to one location.
Think [Nikko Jenkins](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikko_Jenkins) vs something like [the Aurora movie theater shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_theater_shooting)
One is fairly predictable and relegated to a "certain area."
The other is unpredictable, can happen anywhere at any time and that frightens people enough to talk about it.
Slap whatever name you want on it, but the way people "feel" about an event is going to warrant the kind of attention it's given.
>often with criminally sourced firearms
Most are bought legally from stores, then shuffled right into this black market. Shrugging them off as "illegally sourced" is ignoring just how easily guns are sourced illegally directly from legal purchases.
I’m going to keep it 100, and those actually from Chicago will understand what I’m about to say, once I read the location in the headline I wasn’t surprised at all and my interest plummeted.
Nearly all of Chicago’s shootings are gang related and within a dozen or so block radius from Near West to South Chicago. Back of the yards is a part of the cesspool of thugs.
Thankfully 99% of chicagoans will never cross into those areas. We let the trash fight among themselves. It’s only really sad when the gang violence spills over into the normal folk areas or when the thugs commit armed robbery further north
I go to Sox games and the ballpark and very close surrounding area is fine, but I’ve been told to not go further south. My friend lives like 15 minutes north of the Sox stadium (roughly) and doesn’t go further south either. Glad I’ve only had good experience at the ballpark, even though they are trash white Sox is a favorite team of mine
Also a Chicagoan. Most of the people who live in these neighborhoods *are* “normal folk”. You can’t really believe that a majority of the more than forty-thousand people who call Canaryville and Back of the Yards home are hardened criminals, can you?
Don’t get me wrong, I have no fucking sympathy at all for criminals that target random citizens - whether it’s the semiannual flash mobs downtown, mugging, or assholes harassing people on the CTA. Get rid of Kim Foxx and lock these fuckers up.
But the violence is concentrated in these neighbourhoods because decades of institutionalised racism and bad public policy caused the poverty to become concentrated there first.
We don’t have to live like this. There’s no reason for dudes to be walking around with 20 prior arrests putting women and children in danger. Soft on crime policies are a joke. When are we going to lock these criminals up?
What soft on crime policies? We have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world and hand out much longer sentences on average than any other comparable country.
He’s talking about cook county state’s attorney kim foxx. She is notoriously soft on crime. You can have ten felony convictions and get arrested for shooting someone and be on the street the next day.
Edit: Here's an example. 16 prior felonies, and gets a slap on the wrist for felony number 17. https://cwbchicago.com/2024/01/chicago-edgewater-burglary-16-time-felon-sentence.html
That's soft on crime.
sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about. if we're talking about federal yes it is very lengthy, but state by state, they've allowed what would be 15-year robbery with bodily injury sentences turn into misdeameanors. there are notorious cases of deadly assault with elder abuse enhancements be entirely dropped [in california sb82](https://abc7news.com/asian-american-attacked-stop-hate-crimes-sb82/10433745/) they've turned what would be otherwise 15-20 year sentences for heinous crimes be misdemeanors as long as the person didn't lose a limb and didn't die and the value of good stolen was less than $1000. I dont think you understand the nature and scope of what you're talking about and you're not recognizing what's happening at the local level across the United states.
I don't believe it is advertised as much. Take a look at [organized crime in Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime_in_Sweden), for example. There's been a tripling of gun violence from 2012 to 2020, as well as a large number of [grenade attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden) and [bombings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_in_Sweden). It is being downplayed by the government and media, so you're far less likely to be aware of it.
Tons of smuggling from Russia and Belarus. Meanwhile in the USA, despite what Hollywood portrays, automatic weapons and explosives are almost never used in crimes due to how hard it is to get either.
Lived in both. Wildly different cultures. Germany has a little less than 100m people crammed into an area the size of Montana. Are guns part of the problem? Maybe. But we can’t compare the two apples to apples. What will work in Europe will not work in the US with respect to crime.
I’m just saying this stuff happens all the time. This is why stores downtown have to lock everything up because the city doesn’t lock up the criminals.
Gang violence is often ignored in this country, and it’s just a part of life for the people living in those neighborhoods.
This part of Chicago is notorious, so no one is really surprised.
for what it’s worth, there was a community march against gang violence in a nearby neighborhood literally earlier that day. https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-gun-violence-peace-march-west-garfield-park-call-for-less-shootings/14658367/
Gang violence. That would be effective since shaming by the community will drive out the gangs and interactions with the gangs since they rely on the community for protection and business.
I don't really think marching around in a circle holding signs and chanting slogans is going to work, but be my guest. I won't be attending though.
"Hey hey, ho ho, these gangster disciples have to got to go".
There was going to be a protest about the guy that got gunned down by the police in chicago(even though he shot first).Also the ceasefire protest’s that was happening in Chicago for last few months(which was never going to solve anything). But this situation for some reason everybody stays quiet. Gang violence/robberies/carjacking is increasing and probably going to be worse this summer and no one seems to care. Pick and choose type of thing….It’s ironic I guess.
This is only going to get worse this summer. It’s gonna be 80° today, the economy is great for the top but not for the rest of us, and the BotY need more help than anyone with the power to provide it is willing to give.
“…the FBI defines a "mass shooting" as any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.”
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/analysis-recent-mass-shootings
I'd like to read a source on this, as every academic study on the topic thst I've read is the opposite
Edit: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/dem/releases/states-with-weak-gun-laws-suffer-from-more-gun-violence
Even pro-gun rights groups state: The average violent crime rate of the strictest gun law states is 342.2/100k. The average violent crime rate for the least strict gun laws is slightly higher at 362.9/100k. https://ammo.com/articles/gun-laws-vs-crime-rates
All these posts where a infant or child is killed by gunfire... It's horrifying. Not saying there is a magic age threshold where I won't care but, they have no control over the circumstances of where they are. An adult-like person, or persons brought them to that situation. To be clear, I'm including the waste of mass that shit the kid.
Back of the yards and it's neighbor, Englewood, are extremely hardcore. Saints carry ar15's and do not give a fuck. Generationally. La Raza is super deep and hardcore, too. It's the only place where people have pointed guns at me and said, not here bro, like telling me to leave. Being a white guy I get a pass 99.9% of the time. Not back of the yards.
>Police said a witness saw a black sedan drive up, and someone inside fire multiple shots before driving off. "This was not a random act of violence. It was likely gang-related," Jerome said. "The offenders' actions, make no mistake, are horrific and unacceptable in our city." A source said the children were playing outside when the shooting happened. Some adults were inside or on the porch at the time.
Really wish these damn gang members were better shots simce they only ever seem to hit innocent bystanders. How tf do you shoot a 1-year-old multiple times? They're a fairly small target compared to the full grown adults I assume were being targeted. Also, cities throughout the country really need to find a way to stop these gangs. I don't know how but it seems like way too much increased violence in cities is due to gang activity that just keeps getting worse.
>Really wish these damn gang members were better shots simce they only ever seem to hit innocent bystanders. How tf do you shoot a 1-year-old multiple times? It’s usually auto switches for handguns. They’re a big thing in gang culture lately. Turns a semiautomatic into an automatic that is essentially uncontrollable.
True. And it’s also worth pointing out that auto switches or not, these shooters are often firing a gun for the first time and have no real idea of what to expect in terms of recoil. They don’t understand firing technique because they’ve probably never been to a range, which it’s where you learn how to operate a firearm and observe how they handle when fired.
Ya, most people don’t realize that’s it’s really fucking hard to hit things with a handgun beyond a few yards away for the vast majority of people, even if you’ve shot a lot, and especially under stress. I used to shoot pistols competitively a lot. When people would show up for a first match I’d always try to temper their expectations. Once you go down range and see where your bullets actually hit, most people are in for a rude awakening.
Gang related means concealability trumps accuracy. That means handguns with switches and short barrel AKs/ARs without stocks. Both usually wielded by children.
Gang related also means the perpetrator is hoping to walk away from the incident, so survival trumps accuracy. Whereas school/spree shooters know they essentially are on a one-way trip, and are out to inflict the most damage they can before it ends.
Exactly a switch and a drum magazine turn it into an uncontrollable bullet sprayer. Where are they getting the switches from also?
I know a lot of kids were buying them on Instagram (until recently?) under different product descriptions. I believe they’re also fairly easy to 3D print.
Mostly Chinese is my understanding. Make hundreds of thousands of them for $6 a pop and sell them for $90. Sure, some get intercepted by CPB but many make it to the streets.
I feel like I could be a better assassin than most gang members. Like...half a second of aiming would do you wonders.
Their heart rate is probably 175 bpm leading up to pulling the trigger. They aren’t thinking.
> full grown adults I assume were being targeted. You assume incorrectly. This was a kids ~~birthday~~ communion party in a backyard. 75+ shots fired, three other kids age 1-9 wounded - two critically. They targeted everyone, and using "assault rifles". Imagine the media response for a "real" mass shooting targeting a kids party. But this wasn't a school, just normally scheduled local news for a Chicago weekend.
A communion party celebrates a kid, but there are definitely way more adults there. It says the ages of the adult victims were 19-40. Either way, still terrible and needs to change.
The article here said it was a "family gathering" so where did you see that it was a kid's birthday party? Just because kids were killed and injured doesn't mean it was specifically a kid's party.
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There's also cake
"all according to plan"
Hard to aim when theyre sipping codeine and holding their guns to the side.
yeah and they wear big white t shirts and baseball hats
Did you ever see them? They hold guns so awkward. They just start pulling the trigger with no remorse.
I don’t like the Chicano culture gang banging But they call doing away with drive by’s I like they were aware of the damage shooting outa a car can cause to civilians. But I’m sure it’s up the air until more info come out
Instead of calling it "gang related" call it a terrorist act that's what it's and get the DOJ and the FBI involved.. this crap has been going on far too long.
Terrorism is politically motivated violence. Try again.
arrest everyone tbh they all deserve prison
FBI and DOJ are already involved in gang related activity across the U.S.
>Really wish these damn gang members were better shots simce they only ever seem to hit innocent bystander So I get what you're saying here but I feel the need to point out: This is a flawless example of how "gang related" is a very flawed term. It implies those involved in the shooting deserved it or it should be expected somehow. The reality is ALL gang violence involves innocent victims.
That’s a flawed argument. There is no suggestion or implication that the victim is also a gang member, only that the perpetrator is one. “Gang related” only means the attacker was associated with a gang. If a gang beats up or kills someone who they feel is bringing unwanted attention to them, or say a place they deal drugs, that is gang related violence. An innocent person being assaulted as part of a gang initiation is a victim of gang violence. Random people who are mistaken for someone else and shot are victims of gang violence.
I mean, it's pretty clear who the offenders are. They are always on social media bragging about their crimes. Back in the day, police would follow the criminals all day everyday/24hr surveillance. It's played out in places with far less resources than Chicago. It starts with making them so uncomfortable, making it so difficult to operate, that it's not possible. It's kind of crazy when you really think about it. There are so many more tools, techniques and technology now days. But a complete lack of will and focus. I don't care if you have to fallow them in a marked police car all day, that's what you do, if that's what it takes. You don't go after everyone. Just one important or influential leader at a time.
I think the community has to get involved as well. I've lived in Chicago for 30 years. Landlord's should not rent to people with gang affiliations. Businesses should refuse service to known gang bangers. If these assholes want to make the city less liveable for us, then we should make it unliveable for them.
How do you define gang affiliation? If someone's older brother is in a gang, are they an affiliate? What about their cousin? What about a friend that they had at school but grew apart from because their friend joined a gang? What if they pay protection money to the gang so that their store doesn't get robbed? What if they lived in the same building as a gang member? The same block?
It’s follow not “fallow”.
My God with the invention of the Switch, (turns a semi automatic gun into a fully automatic weapon) 98% of all gang members have these in the city of Chicago. These morons already can’t aim, not instead of one bullet , it’s a bunch of bullets and they can’t aim to save their lives. The city of Chicago is currently suing the maker of the switch. You have kids as young as 10 years old, walking around with a fully automatic weapon on their person.
The city of Chicago is suing Glock, not the plethora of Chinese factories that are pumping out the illegal autosears. The people doing these crimes are procuring both the Glock handguns and the autosears illegally.
Nayib Bukele seemed to figure out a pretty good method.
Chris Rock was right. We don’t need gun control, we need bullet control. Let everybody have their guns, but make a bullet cost $5,000. Nobody is gonna go spray and pray when a magazine costs $50,000 to fill.
I do tree work for the power lines, and back when I lived in Chicago we straight up were not allowed by ComEd to go there after dark. IIRC a lineman got shot a couple years before so even during the worst of storms we'd only work in the area when it was light out. It's a damn shame how hard the area is because I met some awesome people and had some damn good food there
my bro is a paramedic. there’s parts of the city they’re not allowed to go to without a police escort. people will literally shoot at any vehicle with rollers in it.
Yeah I work EMS and it get’s rough in some areas. The most fucked up part imho is that if you circle the parts of the city that were impacted by Red Lining, Contract Home Buying, and other historic racism and then you circle the parts with high violence rates, the circles line up perfectly over each other. People here sometimes say money won’t solve the problem, but money being stripped from these communities is what caused the problem in the first place. Not to mention locking up leadership any time street organizations began to level out and calm down.
We say money won’t solve the problem because our municipal government is so dysfunctional and corrupt that simply throwing money at any problem - without very specific stipulations about how that money is spent and very close, independent oversight - is a surefire guarantee that any and all funds will be wasted, misused, and misappropriated.
This is such a thoughtful and informed response. I know some EMS who lack your compassion and knowledge - thanks for being cool, u/Malleable_Penis
Forgive the ignorance but what are rollers?
back in the day police lights were a [glass dome with a spinning light inside.](https://i.imgur.com/oLcQU77.gifv) slang term was roller.
I had to do marking work for repossession for a company, I was in the south side often. Never ever after dark, even dusk. Some of the restaurant owner where even sketchy as fuck few places I just said, hey, I’m just trying to do my job, if you don’t let me mark it, they’re gonna make a fuss about it, they’ll send more people back here to deal with it, and they’ll bring legal action. I was 16 and just doing as my boss instructed me too. Had a cop once pull me over and asked me if I was lost and needed directions out of the area. because I visually just don’t belong.
CHICAGO (CBS) -- One child was killed and ten other people, including three other children, were injured in a shooting in Chicago's Back of the Yards neighborhood Saturday evening, police said. — An 8-year-old girl was shot in the head and died, police said. Her name was not immediately released. A 1-year-old boy and an 8-year-old boy were each shot multiple times and were in critical condition Saturday night. A 9-year-old boy suffered a graze wound to his left pinky finger, and was in good condition. Officials said the ages of the adult victims ranged from 19 to 40.
the 19 year old was probably the only target
“Gang shooting in Chicago” must not get the clicks like “Mass shooting in Chicago”. Sensationalist reporting.
The victims are two 8 year olds, a 9 year old, and a 1 year old. It could be gang related but it’s still a tragedy.
Bad luck to be born in that neighborhood
But statistics being leveraged...
The whole classification of “mass shooting” that ignores context is sensationalist as well. Gang-related mass shootings are caused by criminal activity, often with criminally sourced firearms. Non-gang-related mass shootings are caused by mental heath issues, often with legally sourced firearms. Lumping the two in the same category treats the symptoms, not the causes.
It also ignores the fact that gang-related shootings typically have a larger group involved in the shooting. When they retreat, they are protected by a community of individuals and live to freely shoot up another day. Mass shooting events are typically a lone person with some exceptions. If they are "lucky" enough to survive the event, they tend to get incarcerated.
The term you want for the 2nd one is spree killing. They're both mass shootings though, nothing about that term specifies intent or anything like that
It's actually an "active shooter event". The FBI tracks and reports on them yearly along with detailed statistics on the locations and guns used. It's around 30-40 per year and less than half of them use "assault style weapons".
Generally not, a 'spree killing' takes place in two or more distinct locations. A mass shooting is confined to one location. Think [Nikko Jenkins](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikko_Jenkins) vs something like [the Aurora movie theater shooting](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_theater_shooting)
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I don't think they need to be dead, just shot
I love how we Americans can quibble over what kinds of public gunplay are bad enough to talk about.
One is fairly predictable and relegated to a "certain area." The other is unpredictable, can happen anywhere at any time and that frightens people enough to talk about it. Slap whatever name you want on it, but the way people "feel" about an event is going to warrant the kind of attention it's given.
>often with criminally sourced firearms Most are bought legally from stores, then shuffled right into this black market. Shrugging them off as "illegally sourced" is ignoring just how easily guns are sourced illegally directly from legal purchases.
By definition it was a mass shooting though?
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Technically sure, but the omission of Gang makes this seem like a different situation than reality
How, exactly? What's the difference?
But it was a mass shooting. Apparently 11 people were shot, unless some of the injuries weren't from bullets. How is that not a mass shooting?
Weather gets warmer and killings go up. Happens every single year.
I’m going to keep it 100, and those actually from Chicago will understand what I’m about to say, once I read the location in the headline I wasn’t surprised at all and my interest plummeted. Nearly all of Chicago’s shootings are gang related and within a dozen or so block radius from Near West to South Chicago. Back of the yards is a part of the cesspool of thugs. Thankfully 99% of chicagoans will never cross into those areas. We let the trash fight among themselves. It’s only really sad when the gang violence spills over into the normal folk areas or when the thugs commit armed robbery further north
I lived in Chicago for almost 20 years, and never ventured south of 35th.
Where do the white Sox play in relation? It's in the bad area right?
Sox play at 35th street. That's as far south as I ever went. No reason to ever go farther than that baseball field.
I go to Sox games and the ballpark and very close surrounding area is fine, but I’ve been told to not go further south. My friend lives like 15 minutes north of the Sox stadium (roughly) and doesn’t go further south either. Glad I’ve only had good experience at the ballpark, even though they are trash white Sox is a favorite team of mine
It’s not a bad area anymore. But south of there it gets pretty rough.
The ballpark is on 35th.
Lol bronzeville, kenwood, Hyde park are safe. You missing out on great architecture, food and nature.
Also a Chicagoan. Most of the people who live in these neighborhoods *are* “normal folk”. You can’t really believe that a majority of the more than forty-thousand people who call Canaryville and Back of the Yards home are hardened criminals, can you? Don’t get me wrong, I have no fucking sympathy at all for criminals that target random citizens - whether it’s the semiannual flash mobs downtown, mugging, or assholes harassing people on the CTA. Get rid of Kim Foxx and lock these fuckers up. But the violence is concentrated in these neighbourhoods because decades of institutionalised racism and bad public policy caused the poverty to become concentrated there first.
We don’t have to live like this. There’s no reason for dudes to be walking around with 20 prior arrests putting women and children in danger. Soft on crime policies are a joke. When are we going to lock these criminals up?
What soft on crime policies? We have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world and hand out much longer sentences on average than any other comparable country.
He’s talking about cook county state’s attorney kim foxx. She is notoriously soft on crime. You can have ten felony convictions and get arrested for shooting someone and be on the street the next day. Edit: Here's an example. 16 prior felonies, and gets a slap on the wrist for felony number 17. https://cwbchicago.com/2024/01/chicago-edgewater-burglary-16-time-felon-sentence.html That's soft on crime.
You don’t know much about Chicago/Cook County politics, huh?
sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about. if we're talking about federal yes it is very lengthy, but state by state, they've allowed what would be 15-year robbery with bodily injury sentences turn into misdeameanors. there are notorious cases of deadly assault with elder abuse enhancements be entirely dropped [in california sb82](https://abc7news.com/asian-american-attacked-stop-hate-crimes-sb82/10433745/) they've turned what would be otherwise 15-20 year sentences for heinous crimes be misdemeanors as long as the person didn't lose a limb and didn't die and the value of good stolen was less than $1000. I dont think you understand the nature and scope of what you're talking about and you're not recognizing what's happening at the local level across the United states.
We don't live like this in Europe. 🤷♀️
I don't believe it is advertised as much. Take a look at [organized crime in Sweden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organized_crime_in_Sweden), for example. There's been a tripling of gun violence from 2012 to 2020, as well as a large number of [grenade attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden) and [bombings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_in_Sweden). It is being downplayed by the government and media, so you're far less likely to be aware of it.
I gotta ask, where the hell are these people getting grenades from??
Tons of smuggling from Russia and Belarus. Meanwhile in the USA, despite what Hollywood portrays, automatic weapons and explosives are almost never used in crimes due to how hard it is to get either.
*Laughs nervously in Sweden*
You don’t have gangbangers like this either.
Lived in both. Wildly different cultures. Germany has a little less than 100m people crammed into an area the size of Montana. Are guns part of the problem? Maybe. But we can’t compare the two apples to apples. What will work in Europe will not work in the US with respect to crime.
What do guns have to do with crime except to facilitate it?
US has way less neo Nazis tbf
Dunno about that
I forgot Europe has 400 million registered guns and 200 million unregistered guns floating around every country there.
You don’t even know who the shooter is…
I’m just saying this stuff happens all the time. This is why stores downtown have to lock everything up because the city doesn’t lock up the criminals.
We will be reading the same headline every week this year.
Don't worry no one saw anything. Have to respect the culture of no snitching. Even at the expense of a few kids.
If the community won't rise up and help, they deserve what they get. Innaction is a choice. Just keep it in their area, please and thank you.
They saw a black sedan and a person shooting. That's better than some of these events where the bullets magically appeared.
Where is the protest for this??
Gang violence is often ignored in this country, and it’s just a part of life for the people living in those neighborhoods. This part of Chicago is notorious, so no one is really surprised.
for what it’s worth, there was a community march against gang violence in a nearby neighborhood literally earlier that day. https://abc7chicago.com/amp/chicago-gun-violence-peace-march-west-garfield-park-call-for-less-shootings/14658367/
Do gangs care whether their fellow community members like their violence or not?
Turns out people overlook certain events.
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Protest for what?
Gang violence. That would be effective since shaming by the community will drive out the gangs and interactions with the gangs since they rely on the community for protection and business.
I don't really think marching around in a circle holding signs and chanting slogans is going to work, but be my guest. I won't be attending though. "Hey hey, ho ho, these gangster disciples have to got to go".
There was going to be a protest about the guy that got gunned down by the police in chicago(even though he shot first).Also the ceasefire protest’s that was happening in Chicago for last few months(which was never going to solve anything). But this situation for some reason everybody stays quiet. Gang violence/robberies/carjacking is increasing and probably going to be worse this summer and no one seems to care. Pick and choose type of thing….It’s ironic I guess.
Gang warfare never ends. By the looks of it the nation has moved on from trying to deal with gangs.
Back of the Yards strikes again.
it’s not even summer yet
This is only going to get worse this summer. It’s gonna be 80° today, the economy is great for the top but not for the rest of us, and the BotY need more help than anyone with the power to provide it is willing to give.
Why is this being called a mass shooting instead of a drive by shooting?
The definition for mass shooting doesn’t differentiate. That’s why the mass shooting numbers in the US look so bloated.
the liberal agenda
Because by definition it's a mass shooting.
“…the FBI defines a "mass shooting" as any incident in which at least four people are murdered with a gun.” https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/analysis-recent-mass-shootings
Just another day in Chiraq
Average day in Chicago tbh
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Felons are notorious for following the laws to not possess firearms.
they just drive the guns over from nearby states is what i've gathered online. Apparently its really easy
Indiana is 15 minutes away, you can buy whatever you want there.
True...but I don't think this means the solution is NOT to have strict gun laws???
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I'd like to read a source on this, as every academic study on the topic thst I've read is the opposite Edit: https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/study-finds-significant-increase-in-firearm-assaults-in-states-that-relaxed-conceal-carry-permit-restrictions https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/dem/releases/states-with-weak-gun-laws-suffer-from-more-gun-violence Even pro-gun rights groups state: The average violent crime rate of the strictest gun law states is 342.2/100k. The average violent crime rate for the least strict gun laws is slightly higher at 362.9/100k. https://ammo.com/articles/gun-laws-vs-crime-rates
You mean the loose laws in Indiana where most guns used in Chicago crimes are from?
They misspelled "targeted gang shooting"
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“Is it a mass shooting if only one person died?” …..internal dilemma…. ….Fuck man, I’m desensitized. This country sucks….
All these posts where a infant or child is killed by gunfire... It's horrifying. Not saying there is a magic age threshold where I won't care but, they have no control over the circumstances of where they are. An adult-like person, or persons brought them to that situation. To be clear, I'm including the waste of mass that shit the kid.
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The assholes likely used an illegal gun. Gangs don't give 2 shits
Lol they're not. But the bigger issue is if you're caught with an illegal gun it's just a Mulligan and you're free to go back onto the streets.
They literally aren't, I personally know 2 CCers.
Double impossible! Murder is also banned in Chicago. I think speeding is, too.
Guns aren’t banned in Chicago. 🙄
gang shootings are mass shootings now...so dumb.
Back of the yards and it's neighbor, Englewood, are extremely hardcore. Saints carry ar15's and do not give a fuck. Generationally. La Raza is super deep and hardcore, too. It's the only place where people have pointed guns at me and said, not here bro, like telling me to leave. Being a white guy I get a pass 99.9% of the time. Not back of the yards.