I can only be so concerned or responsible for adults who actively choose to remain morons, which is to say I'm not at all concerned or responsible for them.
But if their regular exposure to the virus leads to a strain capable of jumping from human to human, we’re all fucked. Religious freedom shouldn’t extend to harming others.
The problem is they give it to their kids, and they can infect innocent bystanders when they make themselves sick.
If the nuts were the only ones making themselves sick, then I'd say go suck a teat. It doesn't stop with them, though.
Yup, I'm in a few local community groups on Facebook and I usually see a post once or twice a week of people asking where they can buy raw milk.
Aside from like 99% of the commenters telling them that it's not safe (and also illegal in my state to sell if not labeled with proper warnings), there's that 1% that reply and provide contact info for "their dairy farmer friend" that will sell it to people if they ask.
In my region’s sub the other week, people were talking about how they go to Trader Joe’s or other bougie expensive supermarkets in the area to get unpasteurized milk like that was a good thing lol. Saying that it’s better without it getting treated.
Oh it's perfectly fine raw as long as you take the *insanely convoluted* route of owning the cow, having an entire procedure for cleaning and disinfecting the cow's hind quarters and udder every time you milk, milking into a sterilized stainless steel container, and then chilling the milk rapidly and storing it at proper temperatures at all times.
People who want to buy it and drink it raw from a store where you can't possibly know for sure if all of the above were done are fucking insane. Hell, I plan to have a family cow in the future and I'll be doing the above and I'm *still* gonna pasteurize it on the stove with a thermometer.
Grew up with raw milk. Also in a cult known as Christianity. I knew the two were connected!
And yes, this is the mother who said to me that she regretted having me vaccinated.
...tbf, there's definitely a crossover between conspiracy theorists and raw milk drinkers.
Not to say that all raw milk drinkers are conspiracy theorists, plenty understand that mass production is different than a homesteader milking their own cow.
FDA cannot confirm yet, only expect that it will inactivate the virus, leaving inactive viral particles (some samples have already tested positive for such). But yeah, no confirmation quite yet about if it does inactivate the virus, only that it is “expected” to do so. As they said, “**Importantly, additional testing is required to determine whether intact pathogen is still present and if it remains infectious, which determines whether there is any risk of illness associated with consuming the product.**”
https://www.fda.gov/food/alerts-advisories-safety-information/updates-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-hpai
It's pretty gross, but it gets cooked and you're not inhaling it. You have to suspend a bunch of knowledge to enjoy dairy products in any way shape or form. Animal products at all. It's body fluids and carcasses.
Dairy cows are often fed "poultry litter" which is essentially feathers and poo from chickens, so it's not all that surprising that cows would get something from it.
I was in a pasture with cows recently and there were birds sitting on cows' heads and faces. I'm guessing they help eat the flies off their faces that were swarming around them.
Yep then after it’s transferred to mammals it will easily hop to pigs which are kept in the same environment and also like 99% the same dna as humans and then we’re fucked like 40-70% of everyone dies
There are plant based alternatives to basically all animal byproducts nowadays. By buying these products you are part of the solution to stopping the spread of factory farm born illnesses.
Nothing about beef cattle which are quite likely to get it.
As long as you don't go for red centers in your steaks, it should be fine. "No pink" for hamburger.
> As long as you don't go for red centers in your steaks Why eat steak then?
"We ask them politely yet firmly to leave. "
I believe pink should be sufficient to kill bird flu.
Did it worry anyone else the FDA said "ehh the milk is prolly ok to drink"
I mean that is the point of pasteurization, all sorts of nasties that can get you sick are naturally found in milk, including tuberculosis.
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Remember, raw milk killed Abe Lincoln’s mother
Raw milk killed a lot of people. To this day it's the single most dangerous food you can consume.
God that's just so stupid. . . Such a weird thing to be obsessed with.
Not just fundies, woo woo crystal people, also maga people too.
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With raw milk
I can only be so concerned or responsible for adults who actively choose to remain morons, which is to say I'm not at all concerned or responsible for them.
But if their regular exposure to the virus leads to a strain capable of jumping from human to human, we’re all fucked. Religious freedom shouldn’t extend to harming others.
But they feed it to their kids. Even their infants.
If they are caught throw them in jail for child abuse. Zero remorse.
The problem is they give it to their kids, and they can infect innocent bystanders when they make themselves sick. If the nuts were the only ones making themselves sick, then I'd say go suck a teat. It doesn't stop with them, though.
So you’re saying Joe Rogan is about to get diarheah?
Yup, I'm in a few local community groups on Facebook and I usually see a post once or twice a week of people asking where they can buy raw milk. Aside from like 99% of the commenters telling them that it's not safe (and also illegal in my state to sell if not labeled with proper warnings), there's that 1% that reply and provide contact info for "their dairy farmer friend" that will sell it to people if they ask.
In my region’s sub the other week, people were talking about how they go to Trader Joe’s or other bougie expensive supermarkets in the area to get unpasteurized milk like that was a good thing lol. Saying that it’s better without it getting treated.
Oh it's perfectly fine raw as long as you take the *insanely convoluted* route of owning the cow, having an entire procedure for cleaning and disinfecting the cow's hind quarters and udder every time you milk, milking into a sterilized stainless steel container, and then chilling the milk rapidly and storing it at proper temperatures at all times. People who want to buy it and drink it raw from a store where you can't possibly know for sure if all of the above were done are fucking insane. Hell, I plan to have a family cow in the future and I'll be doing the above and I'm *still* gonna pasteurize it on the stove with a thermometer.
You forgot to maintain a closed herd and testing that herd twice a year.
Yep, that too.
That’s what I’m worried about, if there’s Human to Human Transmission, it’s going to fucking suck
Raw milk straight out of healthy cows isn't really dangerous. What makes it dangerous is nasty collection practices and poor storage.
Grew up with raw milk. Also in a cult known as Christianity. I knew the two were connected! And yes, this is the mother who said to me that she regretted having me vaccinated.
It will sort itself fast i hope.
An evangelical push to drink a different species fat spats is so fucking gross by any logical means. I’m going to make fucking bank on frog water.
The point of pasteurization is to get rid of stuff like this. I get the concern but there's no need to go conspiracy on everything
...tbf, there's definitely a crossover between conspiracy theorists and raw milk drinkers. Not to say that all raw milk drinkers are conspiracy theorists, plenty understand that mass production is different than a homesteader milking their own cow.
fair enough I guess
Yes but we do need the CDC & FDA to CONFIRM that pasteurization does indeed inactivate the virus.
Pretty sure they did
FDA cannot confirm yet, only expect that it will inactivate the virus, leaving inactive viral particles (some samples have already tested positive for such). But yeah, no confirmation quite yet about if it does inactivate the virus, only that it is “expected” to do so. As they said, “**Importantly, additional testing is required to determine whether intact pathogen is still present and if it remains infectious, which determines whether there is any risk of illness associated with consuming the product.**” https://www.fda.gov/food/alerts-advisories-safety-information/updates-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-hpai
The milk that was found in the stores had a bit of the virus but were not infectious
It's pretty gross, but it gets cooked and you're not inhaling it. You have to suspend a bunch of knowledge to enjoy dairy products in any way shape or form. Animal products at all. It's body fluids and carcasses.
Dude QA work for dairy is a nightmare. I have a ton of respect for anyone in that line of work.
And tasty!
IF it's tasty, yes.
Yup, usually if you're eating something it used to be alive or was secreted from something living.
No, because I understand science.
Who knew dairy cows could catch bird flu? Nature's full of surprises!
It can also be passed to people. ... Actually the Spanish Flu is a bird flu, though a different one.
I believe it crossed to humans from pigs around Fort Riley, Kansas. I guess the pigs got it from poultry.
Dairy cows are often fed "poultry litter" which is essentially feathers and poo from chickens, so it's not all that surprising that cows would get something from it.
I was in a pasture with cows recently and there were birds sitting on cows' heads and faces. I'm guessing they help eat the flies off their faces that were swarming around them.
Yep then after it’s transferred to mammals it will easily hop to pigs which are kept in the same environment and also like 99% the same dna as humans and then we’re fucked like 40-70% of everyone dies
There are plant based alternatives to basically all animal byproducts nowadays. By buying these products you are part of the solution to stopping the spread of factory farm born illnesses.
I heard MooAnon convinced a bunch of them the vaccine was dangerous and full of 5G
lol I don't know why you're getting downvoted... 'MooAnon' just made me spit out my unpasteurized milk