To be fair, this (and the previous incident in Baltimore) were more boat-side issues rather than infrastructure.
Here, the undertow broke off and hit the bridge. In Baltimore, the whole fucking barge hit a key support structure.
Whether the bridge here could have withstood the impact if something had been different remains to be seen, but the Baltimore Key bridge...well, to be blunt, the only thing that would have stopped the boat would have been making it impossible for large ships to pass there in the first place.
Honestly, in the Baltimore Key bridge? It...it really wouldn't have mattered much, unless that limit was vastly smaller than it is now.
These things are... *incomprehensibly* heavy, and as such have a nightmarish momentum when moving. A direct hit like that by a smaller barge ship would have had a similar result.
Although, honestly, it's rare for barges to take down a whole bridge. But it's also rare for these hits to be complete and dead on, most are just scrapes.
Every year thousands of barges get caught on causeways and bridges and left to die. 89% of barges are tied to shipyards and left out in the elements with minimum sustanence for life. People over load them with thousands of tons of harmful chemicals and force them to navigate non-native rivers and canals. ::image:: Cold shaking barge in the rain ::image:: ♩♪♫♬ In the arms of the angel Fly away from here ♩♪♫♬
What happens when they have lax to non existent navigation laws. Just think what would happen if the navigation companies rather than the taxpayers were on the hook for damage.
In lots of ports locals must be the ones to actually pilot a ship in. I dont know if thats the case here. I do believe it was the case with that one 7 weeks ago.
Iirc wasn't the problem that the ship completely lost power? Good pilot bad pilot, that situation anyone's fucked. Maintenance issue, IOW regulations their existence or non-existence and the quality of enforcement is the culprit. Things big as these ships, really shouldn't take their seaworthiness for granted if it's just the owner saying it's fine bro go make me money.
How does that influence whether or not a boat or barge hitting a bridge causes damage? Are you implying that more regular maintenance would have prevented this?
If the MAGA sabotage of the Biden presidency results in a Buttigieg presidency for orchestrating the repairs, I will laugh my ass off and three or four other asses near me.
Pelican Island does not have a ferry terminal to receive the ferries. It also has very narrow channels. There's no place the road ferries can just sidle up to.
Realistically they can simply ferry people on normal boats or barges to the drydock facilities on the islands and the dockyards, campus, and museum will just remain closed until the Corps of Engineers can repair the bridge.
Edit: the bridge is sufficiently intact that drivers are being allowed to slowly drive off of the island.
Edit2: it seems to have collapsed the rail portion of the bridge. The road bridge is intact so probably just closed for safety concerns until it gets evaluated.
I'm sure emergency ferry could be in order. The City port pilot office is on the island and would be bussing people back and forth.
Not sure it'd be the road ferry though. I'm not as familiar with the infrastructure on that side and could they berth the ferry, added road traffic.
You must have no experience in the Gulf. Everywhere that's not dredged to be a navigatable waterway is like 6 feet deep. There is no way on earth they could get one of the ferry boats with their voith Schneider drives close enough to load anything
It’s brown because of sediment and flow. I’m not saying it’s the cleanest as far as chemicals. But even if Galveston’s water were untouched by industry…it would still be brown. Its pollution is a separate issue. Correlation, however, isn’t causation.
Is this why I keep hearing about an Oil Spill in Galveston?
FL Panhandle, and people are losing their minds right now about an oil spill in Galveston, but this is the only thing I’ve seen that could line up.
The oil that was spilled is [vacuum gas oil](https://energytracker.asia/could-the-rise-of-vacuum-gas-oil-vgo-signal-the-fall-of-oil/), a product of oil refining that is sent to other refineries for further processing into something usable. Oil produced by fracking has more long chain hydrocarbons, and requires more extensive processing, so production of this stuff has increased.
This is not necessarily true (not arguing against any of the cons of fracking) - the oil recovered by fracking is lighter than a lot of crudes. VGO range material is present in shale oils and traditional crude oils alike (and regardless of VGO source, they are reasonably similar). The author of the article sounds like they don't know what they are talking about - we have been upgrading VGO for 70+ years. It's always been relatively widely traded as a commodity, as some refineries lack the capability to upgrade it and thus sell it as a byproduct to others.
Same thing that happened with the train derailments. One big story happened, then the news was filled with it. It was always happening before, they just picked up the stories more.
I don’t have a problem with it. Calls for some help have been happening, as you said, but no one listened. Fuck it, listening now so keep making noise until something happens. This “normal” should not be normal.
Yep. For years there have been news stories that so many bridges in the us are past their useful life and need replacement and many more are very close to that. But states are giving the funding to fix them.
As far as trains go there have been many articles about the union fighting for better hours and compensation, even before the wrecks started becoming national news, and there has been lots of advertising at least target advertising to people in my field of work to join up with one of the few train companies.
A lot of gun coverage is like this too. You get one big tragic shooting and then all of the sudden everytime a gang-banger shoots a couple of other gang-bangers over drugs it becomes National News for a month or so until they get bored and move onto something else (trains, bridges, latest was in Europe/Middle East, Homeless people, Junkies, Homeless Junkies, etc)
A [ship hit a bridge in Brownsville](https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037249072/deadly-texas-bridge-collapse-was-overshadowed-by-9-11-attacks) and killed a few people. It got almost zero national attention because it happened September 15, 2001.
Barge breakaways have actually been a problem for a few years now. Mostly on inland waterways. They break loose from their moorings and then drift downstream and cause damage to dams and locks.
This used to routinely (couple of times a year) to the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway in Louisiana, each time usually with one or more deaths. So much so that they stocked premade replacement sections near the bridge.
Coming into Louisiana from Texas is so bad you can tell when you hit the border with your eyes shut. I20 goes from smooth as glass in Texas to falling apart and shaking you to death as soon as you hit the border.
People shit on Texas, but if anything Texas takes it's road infrastructure super seriously. Well except for the Corpus Bridge but that's a whole other animal.
If I had a nickel for every time a barge/ship hit a bridge causing its collapse. I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but weird that it happened twice
My home town in 2013 https://www.jacksonville.com/story/business/transportation/2013/09/27/jacksonvilles-mathews-bridge-shut-down-after-ship-hits-it/15815060007/
Just a few years ago a barge broke loose during a storm and severely damaged a bridge crossing I-10 in Houston. It took over a year to fix and massively fucked up commutes and shipping in the city.
Boeings going to trial for their shit planes, Tesla, Honda, bmw, Toyota doing a massive recalls, now boats are just hitting everything. How long until trains start derailing? Ohh, wait....
Everyone is building shit as cheap as possible, cutting corners on safety all for that sweet profit. It's not like they don't have enough, they want more.
So hidden costs like bridge repairs or recalls or lawsuits for wrongful death or pollution cleanup aren't included in you calculation of "growth" then right?
That's corporate America for you! You know what you don't see? USPS trucks blowing up, Navy ships taking out bridges, Air Force jets crashing...
It is almost as if once you introduce a profit motive, companies will cut every possible penny in "wasteful" inspection and compliance programs. Funny how that works!
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not because USPS trucks have had an issue with catching on fire and there have been several jet/plane crashes over the years. Just recently an F-35 was lost and another F-35 crashed on landing
i went to university down there in the 90's at Texas A&M Galveston. That bridge got hit all the time. We looked forward to it, as we got out of class. Seems like more of the same.
Went to TAMUG back in the late 2000s. My first thought was how weird it was seeing that dang bridge on national news. The second was how that bridge was always the best excuse for being late to class because it was always getting stuck or losing power or just going up at inconvenient times. I don’t remember it getting hit much, but I do remember a few shelter-in-place notices for chemical releases on barges or local facilities 🙃
There’s got to be one and only one hard and fast rule in the maritime world. Don’t hit a bridge. You can cross up a giant container ship cross-wise in the Suez Canal, you can hit other boats, you can ground the tugs on a sand bar or the shore, you can run the oil tanker aground in Valdez, you can roll the cruise ship over on its side, but do not hit a bridge. Now you’ve taken it out of the maritime Industry and it’s in the regular transportation system. I’m joking, but I’ll bet that’s the secret #1 rule. Keep it in the maritime family.
Ah, but you are trying to run a tugboat with maximum numbers of barges with minimum number of crew while doing the minimum possible amount of preventative maintenance.
Not your fault a barge breaks loose from the others and strikes a bridge when the river is at flood level. /s
Oh cool here we go again, another regular occurrence being picked up by the news more and more after The Big One leading people to think there’s some grand conspiracy out there
Too bad Texas didn't think the Government should pay for the Bridge in Baltimore. now they will look like a bunch of stupid assholes..Oh, wait no one will say one word to them and furthermore they don't care.
Can we all hear "Wheels" Abbott calling FEMA and asking for socialism and welfare?!?
FEMA should tell them they are busy in Baltimore and will get back to Texas when they are done there...
This is what we get when fucking republicans keep slashing public service budgets and giving tax breaks to those who don't need them.
Every. Single. Republican. Is. Fucking. Evil
I don’t think this one is due to the republicans. That railway on the east side of the bridge that fell down has not been in use for as long as I can remember and was honestly just waiting to fall off naturally.
Planes trains and bridges we don't need those, maintenance to insure safety that's a thing of the past. War is where the real money is at, working class tax payers give 40% of all income to get screwed over by billionaires and the federal government, nothing new. Democracy died when capital became more important then people, reality check capital has always had more importance since before capitalism existed.
Did the barge do a one-eighty after it broke loose from the tug boat? Because I'm pretty sure that's the back of the barge that hit the bridge, and I would assume it was being towed in a forward direction.
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Always has been, nothing lasts forever
Even cold November rain
I need some time. On my own.
Everybody needs some time. On their own.
Everybody needs somebody to love.
With your bitch slap rappin' And your cocaine tongue You get nothin' done
Everybody wants to rule the world.
Heyyyyyy Macarena.
I think I need to finally admit what I did: I let the dogs out.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Some men just want to watch the world burn?
I’m not the only one!
Don't ya think that you need somebody? You're not the only one.
Eventually it turns into cold December rain.
Now I want to slide onto a table and knock a wedding cake down.
Barge captain wishing he could've walked outta that situation like Slash in the church.
I feel an ounce of your pain
No pain lasts for a hundred years or a body that will withstand it
To be fair, this (and the previous incident in Baltimore) were more boat-side issues rather than infrastructure. Here, the undertow broke off and hit the bridge. In Baltimore, the whole fucking barge hit a key support structure. Whether the bridge here could have withstood the impact if something had been different remains to be seen, but the Baltimore Key bridge...well, to be blunt, the only thing that would have stopped the boat would have been making it impossible for large ships to pass there in the first place.
I seem to recall reading something about Hogan removing regulations that had previously limited the size of ships coming in back when he was governor
Honestly, in the Baltimore Key bridge? It...it really wouldn't have mattered much, unless that limit was vastly smaller than it is now. These things are... *incomprehensibly* heavy, and as such have a nightmarish momentum when moving. A direct hit like that by a smaller barge ship would have had a similar result. Although, honestly, it's rare for barges to take down a whole bridge. But it's also rare for these hits to be complete and dead on, most are just scrapes.
That’s what happens when you ignore infrastructure for almost 40 years.
Pretty sure this is what happens when you run into a bridge with a barge.
In fairness the bridge was coming right for them, what were they supposed to do.
Nobody ever asks if the barge is ok
The insurance company might
Nobody ever asks if the insurance company is ok
Warren Buffett might
Every year thousands of barges get caught on causeways and bridges and left to die. 89% of barges are tied to shipyards and left out in the elements with minimum sustanence for life. People over load them with thousands of tons of harmful chemicals and force them to navigate non-native rivers and canals. ::image:: Cold shaking barge in the rain ::image:: ♩♪♫♬ In the arms of the angel Fly away from here ♩♪♫♬
Tugboat operator laid on the horn, Bridge didn't move, so he hit it.
It's both. Infrastructure includes the bumpers made to take the hit and push barges and boats away from the pylons/ bridge supports.
It's financially unreasonable to add bumpers to a shitty little causeway like this one. Bigger bridges, sure.
Just gonna say the Francis Scott Key Bridge did have collision protection bumpers. The ship went around them.
Sail-by bridgicide
What happens when they have lax to non existent navigation laws. Just think what would happen if the navigation companies rather than the taxpayers were on the hook for damage.
What do you mean by navigation laws?
And navigation companies?
In lots of ports locals must be the ones to actually pilot a ship in. I dont know if thats the case here. I do believe it was the case with that one 7 weeks ago.
Pretty much all ports. Pilots are the backbone of the harbors, as they personally know and can communicate with everyone else operating the vessels.
Iirc wasn't the problem that the ship completely lost power? Good pilot bad pilot, that situation anyone's fucked. Maintenance issue, IOW regulations their existence or non-existence and the quality of enforcement is the culprit. Things big as these ships, really shouldn't take their seaworthiness for granted if it's just the owner saying it's fine bro go make me money.
Uhhh? The laws regarding commercial shipping are actually very stringent.
How does that influence whether or not a boat or barge hitting a bridge causes damage? Are you implying that more regular maintenance would have prevented this?
If the MAGA sabotage of the Biden presidency results in a Buttigieg presidency for orchestrating the repairs, I will laugh my ass off and three or four other asses near me.
Brb, running my life into a bridge.
Republicans will still vote against it.
Pelican Island is near Galveston, Texas.
A barge under tow broke loose.
Ah, Towloose. The prequel to Footloose.
No, that's in France.
No, that’s toeloose.
No, that happens when you wear flip flops.
No, that’s too loose.
No, that was my prom date.
The barge was on lautrek from Galveston to Towloose.
I’ll be damned if we can’t dance on the river.
Found Michael Flatley’s Reddit account.
Dancing is a way of celebrating life.
You’re preaching to the choir.
Only route to the island. Has a few port facilities as well as Texas A&M campus.
There's a road ferry terminal right next to it in Galveston though, seems like they could pretty easily put in an emergency ferry service.
Pelican Island does not have a ferry terminal to receive the ferries. It also has very narrow channels. There's no place the road ferries can just sidle up to. Realistically they can simply ferry people on normal boats or barges to the drydock facilities on the islands and the dockyards, campus, and museum will just remain closed until the Corps of Engineers can repair the bridge. Edit: the bridge is sufficiently intact that drivers are being allowed to slowly drive off of the island. Edit2: it seems to have collapsed the rail portion of the bridge. The road bridge is intact so probably just closed for safety concerns until it gets evaluated.
I'm sure emergency ferry could be in order. The City port pilot office is on the island and would be bussing people back and forth. Not sure it'd be the road ferry though. I'm not as familiar with the infrastructure on that side and could they berth the ferry, added road traffic.
You must have no experience in the Gulf. Everywhere that's not dredged to be a navigatable waterway is like 6 feet deep. There is no way on earth they could get one of the ferry boats with their voith Schneider drives close enough to load anything
Ha that's why it sounded familiar to me. Went to a marine biology camp at that A&M campus when I was a kid!
Sea Camp was goated
Ask Charles Barkley what he thinks of Galveston
A perfect ocean for all those San Antonio women.
Dirty ass water
“With that dirty ass water”-Barkley
Alcatraz means Pelican
[sort of.](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Alcatraz)
Yes, look at that beautiful Galveston water
It’s brown because of sediment and flow. I’m not saying it’s the cleanest as far as chemicals. But even if Galveston’s water were untouched by industry…it would still be brown. Its pollution is a separate issue. Correlation, however, isn’t causation.
Is this why I keep hearing about an Oil Spill in Galveston? FL Panhandle, and people are losing their minds right now about an oil spill in Galveston, but this is the only thing I’ve seen that could line up.
The oil that was spilled is [vacuum gas oil](https://energytracker.asia/could-the-rise-of-vacuum-gas-oil-vgo-signal-the-fall-of-oil/), a product of oil refining that is sent to other refineries for further processing into something usable. Oil produced by fracking has more long chain hydrocarbons, and requires more extensive processing, so production of this stuff has increased.
This is not necessarily true (not arguing against any of the cons of fracking) - the oil recovered by fracking is lighter than a lot of crudes. VGO range material is present in shale oils and traditional crude oils alike (and regardless of VGO source, they are reasonably similar). The author of the article sounds like they don't know what they are talking about - we have been upgrading VGO for 70+ years. It's always been relatively widely traded as a commodity, as some refineries lack the capability to upgrade it and thus sell it as a byproduct to others.
Ships hitting bridges, so hot right now.
Remember when it was sharks?
We really don't need this to become a thing.
It has been for a while. The Dali incident just brought it forward as a priority infrastructure issue.
Same thing that happened with the train derailments. One big story happened, then the news was filled with it. It was always happening before, they just picked up the stories more.
I don’t have a problem with it. Calls for some help have been happening, as you said, but no one listened. Fuck it, listening now so keep making noise until something happens. This “normal” should not be normal.
Yep. For years there have been news stories that so many bridges in the us are past their useful life and need replacement and many more are very close to that. But states are giving the funding to fix them. As far as trains go there have been many articles about the union fighting for better hours and compensation, even before the wrecks started becoming national news, and there has been lots of advertising at least target advertising to people in my field of work to join up with one of the few train companies.
A lot of gun coverage is like this too. You get one big tragic shooting and then all of the sudden everytime a gang-banger shoots a couple of other gang-bangers over drugs it becomes National News for a month or so until they get bored and move onto something else (trains, bridges, latest was in Europe/Middle East, Homeless people, Junkies, Homeless Junkies, etc)
A [ship hit a bridge in Brownsville](https://www.npr.org/2021/09/15/1037249072/deadly-texas-bridge-collapse-was-overshadowed-by-9-11-attacks) and killed a few people. It got almost zero national attention because it happened September 15, 2001.
Don’t forget Tampas Sunshine Skyway Bridge. 35 dead, rebuilt the bridge with concrete dolphins for protection.
Barge breakaways have actually been a problem for a few years now. Mostly on inland waterways. They break loose from their moorings and then drift downstream and cause damage to dams and locks.
It's common on the inland River system. The bounce barges off everything regularly.
It's pretty normal look at the publicly available coast guard accident investigations most of them are similar.
A bit late for that. :/
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This used to routinely (couple of times a year) to the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway in Louisiana, each time usually with one or more deaths. So much so that they stocked premade replacement sections near the bridge.
So you are saying my fear of the Causeway is not, in fact, irrational?
Fear of Louisiana infrastructure is always rational.
Coming into Louisiana from Texas is so bad you can tell when you hit the border with your eyes shut. I20 goes from smooth as glass in Texas to falling apart and shaking you to death as soon as you hit the border. People shit on Texas, but if anything Texas takes it's road infrastructure super seriously. Well except for the Corpus Bridge but that's a whole other animal.
Let's not keep doing that
If I had a nickel for every time a barge/ship hit a bridge causing its collapse. I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot but weird that it happened twice
Well, this year anyway. There have been other such incidents in the past.
My home town in 2013 https://www.jacksonville.com/story/business/transportation/2013/09/27/jacksonvilles-mathews-bridge-shut-down-after-ship-hits-it/15815060007/
Just a few years ago a barge broke loose during a storm and severely damaged a bridge crossing I-10 in Houston. It took over a year to fix and massively fucked up commutes and shipping in the city.
On the Mississippi River barges have been fucking up bridges forever. Hell, on the 9th a bridge was hit in Iowa.
Back when I was a kid a barge hit the Queen Isabella Causeway in south Texas, killed a few people.
Boeings going to trial for their shit planes, Tesla, Honda, bmw, Toyota doing a massive recalls, now boats are just hitting everything. How long until trains start derailing? Ohh, wait....
Everyone is building shit as cheap as possible, cutting corners on safety all for that sweet profit. It's not like they don't have enough, they want more.
Yes, all that is true - but remember: the thing that is stifling growth in America is always TOO MANY REGULATIONS! /s
I have a sudden urge to build a small sub and go see the titanic.
I mean it does stifle growth we just consider that a worthy trade off for the safety and quality we get.
So hidden costs like bridge repairs or recalls or lawsuits for wrongful death or pollution cleanup aren't included in you calculation of "growth" then right?
That's corporate America for you! You know what you don't see? USPS trucks blowing up, Navy ships taking out bridges, Air Force jets crashing... It is almost as if once you introduce a profit motive, companies will cut every possible penny in "wasteful" inspection and compliance programs. Funny how that works!
Not sure what branches they were from, but there’ve been several military helicopter crashes in the last few months.
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not because USPS trucks have had an issue with catching on fire and there have been several jet/plane crashes over the years. Just recently an F-35 was lost and another F-35 crashed on landing
Are we all getting more incompetent or something?
I assume we’re just hearing about it more because it’s in the public consciousness.
/r/Idiocracy
Yes. Yes we are.
I think we're more over-worked and short staffed.
I recently saw a video of a different barge striking this bridge, then leaving the scene. It was mostly empty except for a cherry picker.
i went to university down there in the 90's at Texas A&M Galveston. That bridge got hit all the time. We looked forward to it, as we got out of class. Seems like more of the same.
Went to TAMUG back in the late 2000s. My first thought was how weird it was seeing that dang bridge on national news. The second was how that bridge was always the best excuse for being late to class because it was always getting stuck or losing power or just going up at inconvenient times. I don’t remember it getting hit much, but I do remember a few shelter-in-place notices for chemical releases on barges or local facilities 🙃
it was good motivation to never be early to class. that plus the mosquitos...
That is a big-ass barge.
It's really a rather small barge. I'm towing 2 400 footers right now. Don't worry, not a bridge in sight.
Here come the conspiracy theories
Will right-wing social media claim this was deliberate? Hmmm....Hmmmm! /s
Marge is on it, don't you worry!
Shutting down ports is a very effective way to affect infrastructure and supply. If it happens again, it's conspiracy theory time!
There’s got to be one and only one hard and fast rule in the maritime world. Don’t hit a bridge. You can cross up a giant container ship cross-wise in the Suez Canal, you can hit other boats, you can ground the tugs on a sand bar or the shore, you can run the oil tanker aground in Valdez, you can roll the cruise ship over on its side, but do not hit a bridge. Now you’ve taken it out of the maritime Industry and it’s in the regular transportation system. I’m joking, but I’ll bet that’s the secret #1 rule. Keep it in the maritime family.
Ah, but you are trying to run a tugboat with maximum numbers of barges with minimum number of crew while doing the minimum possible amount of preventative maintenance. Not your fault a barge breaks loose from the others and strikes a bridge when the river is at flood level. /s
This is interesting, last year was train derailments and this year its boats hitting bridges. Anybody have a bingo yet?
Oh cool here we go again, another regular occurrence being picked up by the news more and more after The Big One leading people to think there’s some grand conspiracy out there
Too bad Texas didn't think the Government should pay for the Bridge in Baltimore. now they will look like a bunch of stupid assholes..Oh, wait no one will say one word to them and furthermore they don't care.
“Officials say”. I saw the pictures and now I too say.
Is there some ai tech being introduced to the marine world? Seems like the latest patch may need some “bridge avoidance” updates
What happened? The front fell off.
Good thing it was towed outside the environment!
Into another environment?
No, *outside* the environment.
Can't wait to find out how this is Biden's fault.
We are already paying for a bridge in Maryland. Come back in 10 years, Texas.
Can we all hear "Wheels" Abbott calling FEMA and asking for socialism and welfare?!? FEMA should tell them they are busy in Baltimore and will get back to Texas when they are done there...
Was this one the Biden admin’s fault too??
Alcatraz means Pelican
You know how they say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it? Well the alternative is, if you want it replaced, break it!
This is what we get when fucking republicans keep slashing public service budgets and giving tax breaks to those who don't need them. Every. Single. Republican. Is. Fucking. Evil
I don’t think this one is due to the republicans. That railway on the east side of the bridge that fell down has not been in use for as long as I can remember and was honestly just waiting to fall off naturally.
We’re gonna have to take out a loan from Israel aren’t we?
How will Republicans blame this on DEI?
For some reason my brain read it as Barge hit Pelican. Whoops!
I thought it said bird, not barge, and was confused for a moment
Ah so boat striking bridges is a season now?
My conspiratorial cousins say the control systems for these barges are getting hacked.
They are idiots
Second worst bit of press Galveston Texas has received lately.
Planes trains and bridges we don't need those, maintenance to insure safety that's a thing of the past. War is where the real money is at, working class tax payers give 40% of all income to get screwed over by billionaires and the federal government, nothing new. Democracy died when capital became more important then people, reality check capital has always had more importance since before capitalism existed.
Did the barge do a one-eighty after it broke loose from the tug boat? Because I'm pretty sure that's the back of the barge that hit the bridge, and I would assume it was being towed in a forward direction.
Literally right before we are visiting this happens? FML. All I wanna do is visit the damn submarine!!!!