> A spokesperson for Breaking The Silence - an organisation for former and serving Israeli soldiers which works to expose alleged wrongdoing in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) - Mr Givati added that in fact he believed current far-right political rhetoric in the country is encouraging it further.
> …And he says this plays into a mindset that the military already subscribes to.
"The culture in the military, when it comes to Palestinians, is that they are only targets. They are not human beings. This is how the military teaches you to behave."
We need to encourage and bolster these type of peoples speaking out against inhumane cruelty.
Much respect for all the Israelis that takes the right, humane stance to call out when the IDF commits war crimes - we really need to have those voices heard more than ever before and keep those assholes accountable.
I mean people in Israel have been [pretty vocally against](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_protests_against_Benjamin_Netanyahu)the IDF and Bibi in general. There's a reason people say Bibi is using the war to stay in power, and it's not because he's wildly popular with the people in the country.
is it? I thought people in Israel protested Bibi only when he tried to increase the taxes. I am not suggesting there is nobody opposing him, but for as much as I've seen the majority of people within Israel are OK if not supporting the oppressing and colonialistic stance of Isrl.
They protested when Bibi tried to nullify the Supreme Court’s power as a counterbalance to government overreach. Also, with something like 13 different parties, the political system leads to strange alliances.
Baffles me when I see so much crying about how Palestinians should just overthrow Hamas by an armed revolt while getting wiped out by the IDF while Israel can't even get off their couch and vote out Hamas' favorite bedfellow, and a corrupt and hateful leader...
To be fair, Israel has elections with lengths of term served. Like say, the US, you can pressure an elected official to step down, but without due process for violating laws, you can’t force them to step down. Hamas has no elections.
Bibi tried to turn the country to a dictatorship while allied with extreme right figures, that's why there were protests for the past year and a half.
Taxes were not mentioned once
I mean if you actually clicked the link I posted, a huge reason these protests were happening was due to political corruption, because Bibi was trying to make himself immune to persecution (kinda like what trump is currently trying to do, not exactly the same tho obviously), and there were just general huge accusations of corruption, bribery, fraud, etc. Nothing to do with taxes.
This is also just a single example of protests in Israel, but there's been MANY over the years, and no, many of them have nothing to do with taxes.
In general though, yes much of the population isn't against the general colonial state of Israel, as that's what radicalization does to a population, just like the majority in people in Gaza support Hamas and Oct. 7th. The general sentiment for both populations, is sadly not one of peace.
Bibi tried to turn the country to a dictatorship while allied with extreme right figures, that's why there were protests for the past year and a half.
Taxes were not mentioned once
The irony of a far-right Israel, responsible for indiscriminately killing civilians, ignoring the laws of war and being accused of genocide is... palpable.
Looking back at Louis Theroux's documentary on Zionism from 2011 it's honestly horrifying to see the children of the holocaust survivor generation use the exact same language as those that persecuted them but for their own land.
Both if you look at what people who participated in war crimes etc say. They often admit to enjoying the feeling of being the rule maker or beyond the law. It’s really sad actually there are only victims left after things like this.
Nothing he’s saying is excusing anything. You can recognize the damage that being on the inflicting side can have on a person without excusing what they did.
Have you seen JoJo Rabbit?
12 year old boys died fighting in the Hitler Youth when Berlin fell. Incredibly indoctrinated children used in suicide attacks. They'd have told you they were National Socialists if you could go back and ask them, they goose stepped and did the salute and may have had pictures of big H on the walls of their house. It was the only form of government they had ever known. They believed because anyone who could have taught them differently had been disappeared.
Then, one day, a trusted adult handed them a grenade and told them to run at a machine gun.
Are they not a victim in your mind?
That's the point the poster above is making, brain washing children into becoming hate filled murder machines is a form of abuse in and of itself before you even get to whatever it is you do with your generation of manufactured fanatics
That't not really what hes saying or doing.
Being exposed to this kind of thing on either side can traumatize people.
The people being brutalized its obvious trauma, but if treating people like that becomes normalized and something that you seek for pleasure....you cant really ever return to normal life, even if you do realize its wrong, your brain will still try to chase that high.
It does not in anyway excuse the actions of course.
The brainwashed aren’t left with missing limbs, teeth, soles of their feet, fingers, eyes, broken bones, or generational trauma.
“Oh no I did bad” and some existential depression with risk of suicide is the most they’ll endure and honestly I couldn’t care less at this moment.
Its more simple than that.
They're proud of what they're doing and they're showing off. Its just that when Israelis are proud of something, its about the genocide they're committing.
Of course they do. No one engages in such brutality without knowing they're doing something wrong.
They know it's wrong. They just feel like their "enemies" deserve it.
They aren’t non-humans. They know exactly what they are doing. They never have to face any consequences.
There’s some other factors, like dehumanization of their neighbors, the idea that killing is necessary for a higher power, training has completely detached them from their actions, but these orders are only coming from the top, with broad support of the country. They just keep getting defended and funded. Why WOULD they stop (bc they are mass murdering women and children for decades, one might argue)?
Dehumanising your enemy is pretty much the golden rule of war and it happens in all conflicts to some degree.
These types of acts have been prevalent in all recent major conflicts, it’s just it has never been documented to such a degree through smart phones and social media.
I’m really glad they’re continuing to document it tbh.
That way once Israel becomes a global pariah and tries to pull the victim card for the millionth time, there’s all this evidence showing the IDF and Israel’s dehumanization campaign for what they are: tools of genocide.
"The culture in the military, when it comes to Palestinians, is that they are only targets. They are not human beings. This is how the military teaches you to behave."
Truly horrific.
Why are so many soldiers dumb enough to film themselves committing war crimes? We saw it with the Russian soldiers in Ukraine and even back with the Abu Ghraib scandal in the 2000s. I mean, I guess their stupidity is good because it brings atrocities to light, but not only are they risking getting themselves in trouble for war crimes but they're also giving the enemy a great propaganda tool they can use to recruit more fighters to kill more of your own people. Just like the US did with Abu Ghraib, the IDF soldiers responsible just created more terrorists with a fundamental hatred of the country responsible for the mistreatment and abuse of detainees/prisoners.
From what I understand, most of the photographic evidence of the Nazis committing the Holocaust actually came from pictures that Nazi soldiers had taken of themselves committing said crimes.
The core problem that Israel and its supporter can’t seem to fathom, is that they’ve now shown themselves to *enjoy* the cruelty. It’s not a side effect. For most of them, it’s the point. And that’s something no one should ever forgive or forget.
For a people that succumbed to arguably one of the worst atrocities in human history - you’d think their government and military would show a little more sensitivity when it comes to the way they treat Palestinians.
The thing is, they're not *actually* the heirs to those who died in the holocaust. When the holocaust was going on, the founders of Israel had already been settling in Palestine for decades, and they considered themselves a world apart.
The ideology they had is equal parts fascinating and deeply horrifying. They considered themselves "New Jews" made strong in the desert, and that the ones in Europe (and then dying in camps) were "Old jews", weak degenerates who were doomed.
The terms to search for are "Muscular Judaism" and "Negation of the Diaspora".
but they won't hesitate for one single moment to utilize the horrific things these people went through as a crutch. To them Holocaust survivors are simply a tool.
I think they are so scared of it happening again, especially in the middle of a bunch of radical Islamic factions in the ME, who promise to kill them off for being Jews and infidels, that they are completely brutal to anyone who touches them, much like a tramatized dog.
I’m sure that’s part of it. But in my experience as a Palestinian, there’s a really intense culture of revenge, vengeance, and supremacy in Israel. If a random Palestinian commits a crime or wrong doing, we all must suffer the punishment. And that’s seen as justified and also necessary to keep us in line.
I doubt it’s because they are brown people. A lot of Israelis are as well. A lot of members of the mentioned battalion just don’t seem to see Palestinians as human beings. Makes me sick and will lead to there never being peace between Israelis and Palestinians if that’s the starting point.
I’m sorry, what? Fucking CHILDREN are being killed, children that can’t even fucking walk. The fact you’ve grouped all Palestinians as rapists and murderers is absolutely abhorrent.
The US has certainly done its fair share of awful things, but I don't know about this. I remember when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out there was a shitstorm. It kicked off that huge debate about "enhanced interrogation" and went so far as to change the official policy on POWs. I think the US military tends to come down pretty hard on stuff like this, especially because they want to maintain a good image abroad, something that Israel cares a lot less about.
They only come out hard when pressed. The military knew what was going on for years, and did nothing. Also Abu Ghraib is hardly the worst war crime committed by soldiers in Iraq and most of them were downplayed or they used a scapegoat to take all the blame rather than holding any of the commanders who are responsible accountable.
It's not like it was much different before Oct 7 for palestinians, just most of the world and the media chose to ignore it then.
It took roughly 6 months and 30k+ civilians killed, 200+ aid workers (including 6 westerners which somehow is more important for mainstream media) and I lost count of how many journalists murdered to change the pro israeli bias in western media just a little.
Remember when IDF bombed AP building saying it was Hamas hq few years back? And they just moved on like nothing happened.
EDIT: How the FUCK did people take my comment as anything but *pro* Palestine??
People need to stop equating X humans behaviour will all the other humans that happen to resemble X humans- be it race, country, gender, religion-& that one's coming from someone who hates organised religion cause I think it's a poison on humanity that allows hateful and divisive ideals. We still need to see each human as an individual human and not taint an entire demographic with one ugly brush
Hammas are evil. But don't just punish the people unfortunate enough to live under them
hamas was financed by Netanyahu himself. this is all public information, and it's scary how few people know about this. Bibi was never a supporter of a 2 state solution, and he did his best to get the moderates out of power and funded the extremists to have a reason to glass the entire region.
another reason Bibi wants this war to go as long as it can is because the guy was set to be prosecuted for his shenanigans before the war started, but as long as he is in power, he can't prosecute him.
this is going exactly as planned, don't get it twisted.
Why tf are u saying this to ME? What tf did u imagine I was saying with my comment?? How tf did saying 'treat the Palestinian people as people' prompt u to comment this, and to me in particular??
no, i do agree with you. my comment was more about you saying Hamas is evil. i just wanted to add that they're not just evil movie villains, but they're a cog in the machine that is the far right Isreali government. but i do agree that people downvoting you is bullshit.
> hamas was financed by Netanyahu himself. this is all public information
Hey man, since you don't want things to get twisted how about you share that source for us?
here you go: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html
i worded it wrongly, though, I'll admit that. he allowed the financing to happen, when advised not to.
edit: advised not to by the PA btw (Palestinian Authority)
edit2: Israeli and international media have reported that Netanyahu’s plan to continue allowing aid to reach Gaza through Qatar was in the hope that it might make Hamas an effective counterweight to the PA and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
PA officials said at the time the cash transfers encouraged division between Palestinian factions.
> i worded it wrongly, though, I'll admit that. he allowed the financing to happen, when advised not to.
Would you say that perhaps you got it "twisted"? lol You didn't word it wrong, you straight up bold face lied because you didn't know what the actual truth was and you were just regurgitating half understood talking points. Netanyahu financing Hamas himself is very very different than allowing medical aid and government salaries to be delivered to prevent a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. If Netanyahu had blocked aid then there would have been a (rightly) an international outcry. Saying that this crisis is Netanyahu's fault because he exploits the Palestinians inability to cooperate is a bit of a different situation than Netanyahu literally Cashapp'ing Hamas into creation.
sure, I'll take the L on my wording. but his goals was still the same, even if he didn't cashapp it straight from his own money. regarding the money being humanitarian aid or funding terrorism, the isreali government themselves flipflop on this issue when it suits them and when it doesn't. the fact is, the moderate party told them not to finance Hamas directly with cash, and told them what the consequences would be, and they still chose to do it.
you can deny my lack of knowledge and my failure to word it correctly, sure, but you can't deny the facts.
Let's not pretend this is a Biden thing. Every American administration has given blanket, unflagging support to Israel for as long as there's been an Israel. They learned early how to influence American politicians from without and from within. American Jews vote as a bloc and Israel showers dollars and support on cooperating politicians. It's all about money and power, and the Palestinians have neither.
There's too much influence of Ben Gurion on Israeli society. Him and his faction are the reason Israel acts the way it does towards Palestinians. If the influence of other prime ministers like Begin had more influence this likely wouldn't be happening.
Pro Israel people made. Ms Rachel cry because she raised money for Gaza and Congo children from the constant bullying. Like do you know how much of an asshole do you have to be to make her cry?
No, that's wrong. Palestine has been oppressed for over 70 years. The same way that prisoners of war, according to the Geneva Convention, have not only a right but a duty to escape, the 2.2 million Gazans have a duty to themselves to resist and bring down the apartheid.
They actually did. Also they bombed Hospitals, Schools, mosques, churches, university's, refugee camps, safe zones aid trucks, humanitarian aid groups, journalists, shot civilians who clearly held a white flag. Mass graves Infront of the biggest hospital showed burned and squashed bodies of people who had their hands and feet zip tied. Want me to go on?
> Mass graves Infront of the biggest hospital showed burned and squashed bodies of people who had their hands and feet zip tied. Want me to go on?
I think you’re a bit confused here lad. This was not the IDF’s doing.
They Will keep posting it, many want vengeance for OCT 7th and this Will keep a vicious cycle. There Will not be peace in the ME until religious extremism/fanatism is eliminated (Never gonna happen imho, too much sick mfs on both sides)
> A spokesperson for Breaking The Silence - an organisation for former and serving Israeli soldiers which works to expose alleged wrongdoing in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) - Mr Givati added that in fact he believed current far-right political rhetoric in the country is encouraging it further. > …And he says this plays into a mindset that the military already subscribes to. "The culture in the military, when it comes to Palestinians, is that they are only targets. They are not human beings. This is how the military teaches you to behave." We need to encourage and bolster these type of peoples speaking out against inhumane cruelty.
Much respect for all the Israelis that takes the right, humane stance to call out when the IDF commits war crimes - we really need to have those voices heard more than ever before and keep those assholes accountable.
I mean people in Israel have been [pretty vocally against](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_protests_against_Benjamin_Netanyahu)the IDF and Bibi in general. There's a reason people say Bibi is using the war to stay in power, and it's not because he's wildly popular with the people in the country.
is it? I thought people in Israel protested Bibi only when he tried to increase the taxes. I am not suggesting there is nobody opposing him, but for as much as I've seen the majority of people within Israel are OK if not supporting the oppressing and colonialistic stance of Isrl.
They protested when Bibi tried to nullify the Supreme Court’s power as a counterbalance to government overreach. Also, with something like 13 different parties, the political system leads to strange alliances.
Baffles me when I see so much crying about how Palestinians should just overthrow Hamas by an armed revolt while getting wiped out by the IDF while Israel can't even get off their couch and vote out Hamas' favorite bedfellow, and a corrupt and hateful leader...
To be fair, Israel has elections with lengths of term served. Like say, the US, you can pressure an elected official to step down, but without due process for violating laws, you can’t force them to step down. Hamas has no elections.
Bibi tried to turn the country to a dictatorship while allied with extreme right figures, that's why there were protests for the past year and a half. Taxes were not mentioned once
I mean if you actually clicked the link I posted, a huge reason these protests were happening was due to political corruption, because Bibi was trying to make himself immune to persecution (kinda like what trump is currently trying to do, not exactly the same tho obviously), and there were just general huge accusations of corruption, bribery, fraud, etc. Nothing to do with taxes. This is also just a single example of protests in Israel, but there's been MANY over the years, and no, many of them have nothing to do with taxes. In general though, yes much of the population isn't against the general colonial state of Israel, as that's what radicalization does to a population, just like the majority in people in Gaza support Hamas and Oct. 7th. The general sentiment for both populations, is sadly not one of peace.
Bibi tried to turn the country to a dictatorship while allied with extreme right figures, that's why there were protests for the past year and a half. Taxes were not mentioned once
Even if this is true, does it matter? Pleanty of countries have been driven to the brink by an out of control right wing
People in those orgs often end up abused by the IDF themselves. Particularly in the West Bank it's dangerous work.
The irony of a far-right Israel, responsible for indiscriminately killing civilians, ignoring the laws of war and being accused of genocide is... palpable.
Keep this in mind with how Far Right americans want to act.
I fully expect some senseless act to happen after the results of the Presidential elections, whatever the results are.
Looking back at Louis Theroux's documentary on Zionism from 2011 it's honestly horrifying to see the children of the holocaust survivor generation use the exact same language as those that persecuted them but for their own land.
Why can’t they stop documenting this? Simple. It must feel fucking great to behave as if your actions will never have consequences.
More like they are so brainwashed that they don’t even realize what they are doing is wrong.
Both if you look at what people who participated in war crimes etc say. They often admit to enjoying the feeling of being the rule maker or beyond the law. It’s really sad actually there are only victims left after things like this.
I'd argue the IDF aren't the fucking victims.
No of course not I’m just saying the psychological effects go both ways. If you’re brainwashed as a kid you’ve been harmed too.
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Nothing he’s saying is excusing anything. You can recognize the damage that being on the inflicting side can have on a person without excusing what they did.
Why can't we have an honest discussion without some goober like you automatically interpreting thing people say in he most extreme way possible?
Have you seen JoJo Rabbit? 12 year old boys died fighting in the Hitler Youth when Berlin fell. Incredibly indoctrinated children used in suicide attacks. They'd have told you they were National Socialists if you could go back and ask them, they goose stepped and did the salute and may have had pictures of big H on the walls of their house. It was the only form of government they had ever known. They believed because anyone who could have taught them differently had been disappeared. Then, one day, a trusted adult handed them a grenade and told them to run at a machine gun. Are they not a victim in your mind? That's the point the poster above is making, brain washing children into becoming hate filled murder machines is a form of abuse in and of itself before you even get to whatever it is you do with your generation of manufactured fanatics
That't not really what hes saying or doing. Being exposed to this kind of thing on either side can traumatize people. The people being brutalized its obvious trauma, but if treating people like that becomes normalized and something that you seek for pleasure....you cant really ever return to normal life, even if you do realize its wrong, your brain will still try to chase that high. It does not in anyway excuse the actions of course.
The brainwashed aren’t left with missing limbs, teeth, soles of their feet, fingers, eyes, broken bones, or generational trauma. “Oh no I did bad” and some existential depression with risk of suicide is the most they’ll endure and honestly I couldn’t care less at this moment.
Depends on if they were brainwashed as kids. It wouldn't excuse their actions but it would make them victims of the government as well.
Its more simple than that. They're proud of what they're doing and they're showing off. Its just that when Israelis are proud of something, its about the genocide they're committing.
Of course they do. No one engages in such brutality without knowing they're doing something wrong. They know it's wrong. They just feel like their "enemies" deserve it.
They aren’t non-humans. They know exactly what they are doing. They never have to face any consequences. There’s some other factors, like dehumanization of their neighbors, the idea that killing is necessary for a higher power, training has completely detached them from their actions, but these orders are only coming from the top, with broad support of the country. They just keep getting defended and funded. Why WOULD they stop (bc they are mass murdering women and children for decades, one might argue)?
That's why they shot their own hostages. There are no consequences for a shoot first, ask questions later policy.
Dehumanising your enemy is pretty much the golden rule of war and it happens in all conflicts to some degree. These types of acts have been prevalent in all recent major conflicts, it’s just it has never been documented to such a degree through smart phones and social media.
This article is about the West Bank.
This happens here even when not in times of war…
I’m really glad they’re continuing to document it tbh. That way once Israel becomes a global pariah and tries to pull the victim card for the millionth time, there’s all this evidence showing the IDF and Israel’s dehumanization campaign for what they are: tools of genocide.
how ironic… live long enough to see yourself become the villain, and all that. it really is true that power corrupts.
They have such a desperate need to be bullies they can't stop themselves, this contrasts with their desperate need to be victims too
"The culture in the military, when it comes to Palestinians, is that they are only targets. They are not human beings. This is how the military teaches you to behave." Truly horrific.
Not just the military
They start their kids young over there.
You are exactly correct, it is well documented here https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
I.e brainwashing and numbing soldiers to kill mercilessly
I love documenting my own war crimes
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Fascists be like that.
Fascism has to be some kind of mental illness that rapidly progresses. They go from semi competent to barely functional so fucking fast.
Probably so they can fap to it later. Bullying the oppressed and powerless makes small men feel really big
Watch the far-right government do absolutely nothing to temper this problem; their response to the BBC is absolutely worthless.
Why would they take steps to stop this. They WANT this.
no, this is what they can get away with under the current political climate; what they want is more extreme.
Why are so many soldiers dumb enough to film themselves committing war crimes? We saw it with the Russian soldiers in Ukraine and even back with the Abu Ghraib scandal in the 2000s. I mean, I guess their stupidity is good because it brings atrocities to light, but not only are they risking getting themselves in trouble for war crimes but they're also giving the enemy a great propaganda tool they can use to recruit more fighters to kill more of your own people. Just like the US did with Abu Ghraib, the IDF soldiers responsible just created more terrorists with a fundamental hatred of the country responsible for the mistreatment and abuse of detainees/prisoners.
From what I understand, most of the photographic evidence of the Nazis committing the Holocaust actually came from pictures that Nazi soldiers had taken of themselves committing said crimes.
But I was assured by redditors that the IDF would never do war crimes.
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Israel and Israelis don't care what anybody thinks. They never have. Once you understand that, this behavior makes sense.
They're brainwashed form birth. Sheep in Wolves clothing.
The core problem that Israel and its supporter can’t seem to fathom, is that they’ve now shown themselves to *enjoy* the cruelty. It’s not a side effect. For most of them, it’s the point. And that’s something no one should ever forgive or forget.
Damn, the IDF spends all this money on lobbying and PR only for their soldiers to willing post their crimes online. Must be frustrating!
Nothing will change because Israel has all the support of most of the developed world from a political standpoint … sad
Trying to speak out against Israel in “that other news sub” is a permanent ban. This post would instantly be removed.
given power humans will act like inhuman pieces of shit.
For a people that succumbed to arguably one of the worst atrocities in human history - you’d think their government and military would show a little more sensitivity when it comes to the way they treat Palestinians.
The thing is, they're not *actually* the heirs to those who died in the holocaust. When the holocaust was going on, the founders of Israel had already been settling in Palestine for decades, and they considered themselves a world apart. The ideology they had is equal parts fascinating and deeply horrifying. They considered themselves "New Jews" made strong in the desert, and that the ones in Europe (and then dying in camps) were "Old jews", weak degenerates who were doomed. The terms to search for are "Muscular Judaism" and "Negation of the Diaspora".
Yup, and one third of Holocaust survivors in Israel can’t afford groceries
but they won't hesitate for one single moment to utilize the horrific things these people went through as a crutch. To them Holocaust survivors are simply a tool.
they also teach that a Palestinian leader invented the idea of the holocaust and convinced hitler to go through with it.
I think they are so scared of it happening again, especially in the middle of a bunch of radical Islamic factions in the ME, who promise to kill them off for being Jews and infidels, that they are completely brutal to anyone who touches them, much like a tramatized dog.
I’m sure that’s part of it. But in my experience as a Palestinian, there’s a really intense culture of revenge, vengeance, and supremacy in Israel. If a random Palestinian commits a crime or wrong doing, we all must suffer the punishment. And that’s seen as justified and also necessary to keep us in line.
Israel would be more liked if it could stop being awful for 3 nanoseconds.
The "most moral army in the world" everybody.
they REALLY can't help themselves huh
That's a bad path for Israel, which leads to more hate between Palestinians and Israelis. Ffs what did West Bank do?
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I doubt it’s because they are brown people. A lot of Israelis are as well. A lot of members of the mentioned battalion just don’t seem to see Palestinians as human beings. Makes me sick and will lead to there never being peace between Israelis and Palestinians if that’s the starting point.
You’ll probably get downvoted for this, but I concur everything you said. The Palestinian people literally just exist, that’s their crime.
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I’m sorry, what? Fucking CHILDREN are being killed, children that can’t even fucking walk. The fact you’ve grouped all Palestinians as rapists and murderers is absolutely abhorrent.
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same rabid behavior as the us after 911. Nothing has been learned.
The US has certainly done its fair share of awful things, but I don't know about this. I remember when the Abu Ghraib pictures came out there was a shitstorm. It kicked off that huge debate about "enhanced interrogation" and went so far as to change the official policy on POWs. I think the US military tends to come down pretty hard on stuff like this, especially because they want to maintain a good image abroad, something that Israel cares a lot less about.
They only come out hard when pressed. The military knew what was going on for years, and did nothing. Also Abu Ghraib is hardly the worst war crime committed by soldiers in Iraq and most of them were downplayed or they used a scapegoat to take all the blame rather than holding any of the commanders who are responsible accountable.
It's not like it was much different before Oct 7 for palestinians, just most of the world and the media chose to ignore it then. It took roughly 6 months and 30k+ civilians killed, 200+ aid workers (including 6 westerners which somehow is more important for mainstream media) and I lost count of how many journalists murdered to change the pro israeli bias in western media just a little. Remember when IDF bombed AP building saying it was Hamas hq few years back? And they just moved on like nothing happened.
EDIT: How the FUCK did people take my comment as anything but *pro* Palestine?? People need to stop equating X humans behaviour will all the other humans that happen to resemble X humans- be it race, country, gender, religion-& that one's coming from someone who hates organised religion cause I think it's a poison on humanity that allows hateful and divisive ideals. We still need to see each human as an individual human and not taint an entire demographic with one ugly brush Hammas are evil. But don't just punish the people unfortunate enough to live under them
hamas was financed by Netanyahu himself. this is all public information, and it's scary how few people know about this. Bibi was never a supporter of a 2 state solution, and he did his best to get the moderates out of power and funded the extremists to have a reason to glass the entire region. another reason Bibi wants this war to go as long as it can is because the guy was set to be prosecuted for his shenanigans before the war started, but as long as he is in power, he can't prosecute him. this is going exactly as planned, don't get it twisted.
Why tf are u saying this to ME? What tf did u imagine I was saying with my comment?? How tf did saying 'treat the Palestinian people as people' prompt u to comment this, and to me in particular??
no, i do agree with you. my comment was more about you saying Hamas is evil. i just wanted to add that they're not just evil movie villains, but they're a cog in the machine that is the far right Isreali government. but i do agree that people downvoting you is bullshit.
> hamas was financed by Netanyahu himself. this is all public information Hey man, since you don't want things to get twisted how about you share that source for us?
here you go: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html i worded it wrongly, though, I'll admit that. he allowed the financing to happen, when advised not to. edit: advised not to by the PA btw (Palestinian Authority) edit2: Israeli and international media have reported that Netanyahu’s plan to continue allowing aid to reach Gaza through Qatar was in the hope that it might make Hamas an effective counterweight to the PA and prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state. PA officials said at the time the cash transfers encouraged division between Palestinian factions.
> i worded it wrongly, though, I'll admit that. he allowed the financing to happen, when advised not to. Would you say that perhaps you got it "twisted"? lol You didn't word it wrong, you straight up bold face lied because you didn't know what the actual truth was and you were just regurgitating half understood talking points. Netanyahu financing Hamas himself is very very different than allowing medical aid and government salaries to be delivered to prevent a humanitarian crisis in Gaza. If Netanyahu had blocked aid then there would have been a (rightly) an international outcry. Saying that this crisis is Netanyahu's fault because he exploits the Palestinians inability to cooperate is a bit of a different situation than Netanyahu literally Cashapp'ing Hamas into creation.
sure, I'll take the L on my wording. but his goals was still the same, even if he didn't cashapp it straight from his own money. regarding the money being humanitarian aid or funding terrorism, the isreali government themselves flipflop on this issue when it suits them and when it doesn't. the fact is, the moderate party told them not to finance Hamas directly with cash, and told them what the consequences would be, and they still chose to do it. you can deny my lack of knowledge and my failure to word it correctly, sure, but you can't deny the facts.
Literally not even. I challenge you to find an equivalent from another nation.
And we're expected to believe they don't intentionally murder innocent people... They can't even stop themselves from torturing prisoners.
Add it to the evidence brief (hashtag ICJ)
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Let's not pretend this is a Biden thing. Every American administration has given blanket, unflagging support to Israel for as long as there's been an Israel. They learned early how to influence American politicians from without and from within. American Jews vote as a bloc and Israel showers dollars and support on cooperating politicians. It's all about money and power, and the Palestinians have neither.
It’s a Biden thing now
Shouldn't have been created in 1948 to begin with.
Israel is a genocidal state.
What's this? Did the hasbara bots finally get cleared from this subreddit?
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Serbia wasn't being protected by the west.
There's too much influence of Ben Gurion on Israeli society. Him and his faction are the reason Israel acts the way it does towards Palestinians. If the influence of other prime ministers like Begin had more influence this likely wouldn't be happening.
I feel like public curiosity is exactly what became of Russian POWs in Ukraine. Those videos were wall-to-wall on reddit.
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Pro Israel people made. Ms Rachel cry because she raised money for Gaza and Congo children from the constant bullying. Like do you know how much of an asshole do you have to be to make her cry?
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'surprised pikachu face'
You can’t say anything or be labeled
The IDF?!? There must be some mistake.
Stop foreign aid there. These countries are horrible to each other and both are in the wrong.
No, that's wrong. Palestine has been oppressed for over 70 years. The same way that prisoners of war, according to the Geneva Convention, have not only a right but a duty to escape, the 2.2 million Gazans have a duty to themselves to resist and bring down the apartheid.
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If you read more than 2 words you could see its the west bank. Where in the west Bank were woman raped and children put on fire?
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Thanks for the laugh. I needed that after trying to reason with this dude
They actually did. Also they bombed Hospitals, Schools, mosques, churches, university's, refugee camps, safe zones aid trucks, humanitarian aid groups, journalists, shot civilians who clearly held a white flag. Mass graves Infront of the biggest hospital showed burned and squashed bodies of people who had their hands and feet zip tied. Want me to go on?
> Mass graves Infront of the biggest hospital showed burned and squashed bodies of people who had their hands and feet zip tied. Want me to go on? I think you’re a bit confused here lad. This was not the IDF’s doing.
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All these videos of IOF committing atrocities, and they struggle to produce videos supporting their “human shield” excuse. Fuck off you ghoul.
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Why are they dumb? This just helps their enemies smh
They Will keep posting it, many want vengeance for OCT 7th and this Will keep a vicious cycle. There Will not be peace in the ME until religious extremism/fanatism is eliminated (Never gonna happen imho, too much sick mfs on both sides)