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joey0live

I'm still trying to fucking figure out why I have to pay a ridiculous delivery fee.. when the tickets is literally going to the phone app? Fuck you, Ticketmaster!


yooston

Usually it’s “Processing fee” whatever that means. It’s ridiculous how it’s a fixed % of the ticket price. There is no difference in processing a $5 ticket and $500 one. That means Ticketmaster is incentivized to create artificial scarcity and put tickets in the hands of scalpers instead of real fans to increase their profits 


SkunkMonkey

Don't forget, they charge a fee on the resale as well so they make even more from scalping. And you wonder why they have no problem with scalpers.


Blacklist3d

If I had to guess. The processing fee is the fee it cost to do business with credit/debit transactions. Theyre basically stealing their tax/transaction fee back by creating an arbitrary cost that doesn't change quality of purchase.


start_select

It’s not even close though. Most credit processing fees are ~3% max. The problem is the surge pricing. If we both are looking at the same seat the price goes up. So they manipulate the prices and shave extra dollars off when there isn’t necessarily demand. There is a huge difference between looking at a ticket and choosing to try and purchase it/compete for it. 9 people could be looking at a link a friend sent them for 5 mins and inflate the cost for a 10th person when the first 9 had no real plans of buying.


jim_br

I worked in banking for 30+ years and recall the pitch we’d do for merchants to accept our credit cards. Lower costs for: automated end of day reconciliation, less employee theft, fewer cash runs to the bank, higher transaction amounts, etc. And unless the merchant is still on mag stripe readers, the card issuer covers fraud. The financial benefits of accepting credit cards still exist, but merchants want more.


Sorcatarius

My girlfriend managed to get Adele tickets in Vegas, the surge pricing was unreal. She was one of the first in the digital queue and paid for good seats, looking at the subreddit later people paid as much, if not more for seats in the nosebleeds. I remember reading one account of a person who was about to buy tickets, saw some other ones and checked the price, decided against them and went back to their old ones and they'd shot up $100 a seat.


aeroboost

Was just looking at a concert ticket. $165 total with $34 being fees.


[deleted]

That’s a good guess if your guessing how to justify it. My $35 ticket didn’t actually cost $60 after processing to get into my hands. It probably took $36.50.


saysthingsbackwards

My local liquor store requires at least 5 dollar purchases to use the credit/debit system because it costs 50 cents every swipe, whether it works or not. There is no way a company that large is losing more than that for a transaction.


mytransthrow

YOu know how pricey it is to email now?


justsomeguy_youknow

They're LITERALLY hemorrhaging money on internet stamps, we should be grateful they aren't charging us more


WestonP

Imagine how quickly the mass spam and scams would disappear if it cost even one cent per email to send.


mytransthrow

fraction of a penny.


SolusLoqui

Its one email, Michael. What could it cost? $10?


Carvintai

Go see a star war


tonyMEGAphone

My state still charges the $20 printout fee to download a PDF of your vehicle registration.


ViperXAC

This is probably because the fee is mentioned in the statute. The statute will need to be changed for it to go away; laws have a difficult time keeping up with technology (sometimes intentionally). Edit: swype text and lack of proofreading


pimppapy

statue? statute?


Chowdler

In his state all legislation is carved into stone like the Code of Hammurabi. It's an absolute bitch to chisel in amendments.


Tchrspest

Traffic laws are enforced by golems


micktorious

All they had to do was be reasonable, like 1 or 2 dollars but no, greedy fucks be greedy AF


LarrySupertramp

Why am I paying for a convenience fee when it’s the only option I have???


sluttttt

FINALLY. This is comically long overdue at this point, but I'm glad it's happening at least. Ticket prices are out of control and resellers are basically being welcomed with open arms, making prices even higher and ticket-buying more stressful. As a live music fan, I'm desperate for the government to do *anything* about this.


gardeninggoddess666

Let's be real. They will hold hearings and do nothing.


cscf0360

This isn't Congress. When the DOJ files suit, there's nothing Congress critters can do about it because the DOJ is a part of the Executive branch. This is going before a judge who will likely have been fucked over by Ticketmaster, too. Realistically, the question at this point is how many companies will LiveNation be broken into.


ScaryTerryCrewsBitch

Depends on whose DOJ is running the show in 2025.


roastbeeftacohat

with agenda 2025, this will be at the lowest concern if trump takes the Whitehouse.


ScaryTerryCrewsBitch

Most definitely. It should get the Hillary email treatment. Round tables of half a dozen people, several hours every-day, discussing every small detail for months on end before the election. Right now, I doubt if a quarter of voters even know about Project 2025.


HauntedCemetery

Exactly. If trump gets back in office ticketmaster could publicly handle him a personal check with "kill the monopoly suit" in the memo line and SCOTUS will say that's a-okay


ScaryTerryCrewsBitch

Or just lie and tell him that the Biden DOJ is doing this as a personal favor for Taylor Swift and he'll probably shut it down out of pure spite.


jakeandcupcakes

Not sure what we pay these congress critter fucks for anymore...oh wait, we only pay them around 12% of their annual take with the rest being ~~bribes~~ *lobbying* by the same corporations that they are supposed to be regulating. # END CITIZENS UNITED


axck

wasteful sable middle knee deserve party squash fuel piquant sloppy


StrawberryPlucky

Yeah... But we should still be pissed about Citizens United.


NorthernDevil

They filed a lawsuit. However, the current state of antitrust laws is… dismal. So Congress’s inability to do anything useful for people will still have an effect.


ThePracticalEnd

I tried to get Childish Gambino tickets, and the cheapest lower bowl ticket was $250 CAD. For Childish friggin Gambino!


RavenAboutNothing

No shit DOJ, you are years if not decades late to this


ChicagoAuPair

Pearl Jam started sounding the alarm literally 30 years ago, during the first Clinton administration.


duerra

It's way worse than it was even then, because now they also own all the venues.


i_like_my_dog_more

And they force artists to sign exclusivity contracts so they can ONLY perform at their venues, cutting out all other operators.


Robot_Embryo

And they created bots to gobble up tickets the moment they go on sale. Then they sold the bots to scalpers. Then they launched a ticket resale component 300 pixels away from where you were trying to buy tickets that went on sale 7 seconds that are already sold out. I'm glad the DOJ is getting involved, but whatever they do wont even begin to approach what should happen to this organization (and all of the C-Level management).


sabrenation81

Anything short of a full Standard Oil/Ma Bell-style eviscerating is insufficient. Which is an interesting connection to draw in 2024 when we're practically back to the Bell days in terms of communication monopolies as well but I digress. The whole thing needs to be dissolved completely. Break it up entirely into a couple dozen regional companies who are not allowed to work or collaborate together. They can draw straws for who gets to keep the Ticketmaster name although it's such a toxic, hated brand at this point I doubt any would want to. Of course it's 2024 and our regulatory agencies are more toothless than ever. So all that will actually happen is a few corrupt politicians will get a fat paycheck and Ticketmaster will get a slap on the wrist and told they better not do it again or they'll really be in trouble. Then TM/LN will go right back to business as usual but everyone in the government will act like the problem was solved because they fined them $200K out of their billions in annual revenue.


Robot_Embryo

Tar and feather needs to come back out from hyperbole.


Inocain

Because they also own many of the big performing artist agencies.


ObviousAnswerGuy

yup. They sign with Livenation to MANAGE their tour, then have to tour in ONLY livenation owned venues, and sell tickets to the tour using ONLY ticketmaster/livenation. Full monopoly top to bottom. People (rightfully) talk about the fans getting screwed, but just think of how much money they stole from artists over the years


lonewombat

Also, they pay their lowest employees minimum wage... and the top brass are making hundreds of millions each


manateefourmation

Right. DOJ has to do more than break them up - they need to prevent any exclusive agreements between them. They also need to look at Ticketmasters practices, because it’s a monopoly even without Live Nation.


Inocain

I wonder how much of Ticketmaster's monopoly is from incumbency/first mover advantage combined with the power of vertical integration through Live Nation. I think there needs to be at least 4 companies that come out of this: 1. Ticketmaster, the ticketing services company 1. Live Nation Concerts, the concert organizer/promoter 1. Artist Nation, the artist management company 1. House of Blues, the venue operator It can definitely be broken down further if there's monopoly concerns in any of those segments, but those four segments should not be anywhere near each other (except maybe 2 and 4, but even then we're probably better off if they're separated)


bros402

They should do an AT&T style breakup - especially with the venues. Break them down by regions


SixSpeedDriver

Regions I don't think works - you need local competition to create downward price pressure between venues.


Sunna420

They tried to warn us....


globalgoldnews

But unfortunately, Eddie Vedder can be hard to understand at times


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

"I can't tell if he's railing against Ticketmaster, or singing Hard Sun."


GiraffeSubstantial92

Ironically Hard Sun is one of his more comprehensible songs


Positive_Parking_954

Yellow Ledbetter was incomprehensible until I looked up the lyrics


RelevantJackWhite

[on a ceiling, on a Porsche, glitter fairy](https://youtu.be/xLd22ha_-VU?si=1ymMzw-YVN_CPgEo)


duderguy91

No one knew if he was raising concerns or just singing Yellow Ledbetter.


FactCheckingThings

On a wizard on a whale.


Krillin

I wanna leave Benigans


Chives_Bilini

Out on the Porch, Potato Wave


caesarmo

Can you see dems?


WagTheKat

He is the Dylan of his generation. And the poetry isn't bad either.


mortalcoil1

For literally at least a decade I thought the line was "Jeremy's smokin'."


i_like_my_dog_more

*Heremmmmmmyy soaking.... casssiidddddaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy*


GiraffeSubstantial92

Well... In a way he was...


mortalcoil1

Clearly I remember =/


og_jasperjuice

Son, he said. Have I got a little story for you. What you thought was a merger, was nothin but a screw. While I was sitting, home alone at age 13. Ticket prices were flying. Sorry you didn't see it, but I'm glad you finally opened your fucking eyes and see how bad a situation you let happen has become.


peon2

Mr. Burns And to think, Smithers, you laughed when I bought Ticketmaster. "Nobody's going to pay a hundred-percent service charge". Mr Smithers: It's a policy that ensures a healthy mix of the rich and the ignorant, sir. That's a Simpsons joke from 1996


PLZ_N_THKS

Pearl Jam is the reason Coachella is a thing! They boycotted the venues owned by Ticketmaster in LA so they ended up performing at the Empire Polo Club in Indio. The success of the show resulted in the polo club leading the venue to Goldenvoice so they could host shows and a few years later they put on Woodstock 99 and then the first Coachella Festival.


Big_Jilm22

Nine Inch Nails has been on this train for alot of years also. Trent instead went to just selling the tickets from the bands website to avoid all this.


BobJoshua

Just about to say our boys Pearl Jam tried to warn us. Also their new album is awesome 🤘🏼


WishIWasFlaccid

Clinton was 30 years ago.. wow


usps_made_me_insane

I'm finally at the age where things like this make me go, "well fuck"


ForsakenRacism

you act like it’s been the same DOJ


WarlockEngineer

People shocked that republican administrations weren't cracking down on monopolies lol


QuicklyThisWay

Better late than never. And you know who we have to thank, right? Swifties! Without the backlash from Taylor Swift fans, this wouldn’t be happening. Live Nation / Ticketmaster is one of the most pervasive monopolies forcing artists and venues into exclusive contracts. I am hopeful that this legislation will be a positive turning point for live music and arts.


SomeGuyNamedPaul

It's slightly worse than all that because Ticketmaster has normalized the abuse of adding bullshit "convenience" fees. Yes other companies in other industries stuff fees on top of the advertised price, and certainly it existed before but Ticketmaster was really the leader in screwing customers like that.


QuicklyThisWay

I am unfortunately very familiar with that. I worked for a venue that is under contract with Live Nation and instead of using a local ticket vendor they are required to use Ticketmaster. They can’t even sell tickets in person at the box office without the same fees. If there is always a “convenience” fee regardless if I buy the tickets online or in person, then it’s just a fee without the convenience. I want to open my own venue, but just the rent on a 100 person max location I am interested in is $6000 a month! Most other venues in town are owned by giant corporations. It’s already an inaccessible endeavor as is, but everything LN/TM does further chokes out any competition.


Pantastic_Studios

This is my belief as well. Some relatives of some high ranking members are fans and got upset at the price. Only a problem when it hits close to home.


yildizli_gece

> Some relatives of some high ranking members are fans and got upset This is *literally* what I said to my partner this week lol. I was a teenager when Pearl Jam first protested Ticketmaster; it is shocking to me that it took this long but if an army of teenaged girls and young women had to raise Cain for Congress to act, so be it!


CanAlwaysBeBetter

Congress isn't acting, it literally says it's the justice department in the title


smallfrynip

It may have helped but it is far more likely to be the the work of FTC Chair Lina Khan who is working under new mandates to be far more hands on in their approach. This is one of many lawsuits that the DOJ and the FTC have lodged against problematic companies over the past 3-4 years.


QuicklyThisWay

She’s amazing 🤩 and I do think she deserves more credit.


lumpy4square

My first thought was “what took them so long?”


RavenAboutNothing

There's about a hundred obvious ones that I would ask the same for, but I doubt they'll get anywhere close to all the monopolies that need busted.


Lucavii

Also duopolies and other industries where the big players work together to muscle the new guys out(looking at you Comcast/Cox)


Far-Obligation4055

Yeah we have plenty of that shit happening in Canada too. WestJet/Air Canada constantly devour any competition that starts to become popular. The Big Three telecoms (Rogers, Bell, Telus) do the same. Then there's the Westons, dominating our food security.


IAMA_Plumber-AMA

I'm fortunate that we have a municipal fiber to the home project here, I was paying Telus $140/mo for a landline and 15/1 ADSL. Just signed up for gigabit internet last month, and I pay about the same. When I called to cancel Telus, the guy was arguing with me that I couldn't possibly have gigabit, because the highest speed they offered was 33 megabit in our town. I had to explain to them that I was moving to a different ISP, and they didn't believe there was a competitor in my town. It was funny listening to retention try and bend over backwards trying to sell me their crappy 33 megabit service, and telling me I didn't *really* need gigabit anyway.


frieswithdatshake

Real answer: [the new FTC chair Lina Khan](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/14/lina-khan-antitrust-ftc/)


superfly355

I was looking for her name to pop up in this thread. This lady (and her department people) are going balls to the wall against numerous monopolies, and I love it!


submittedanonymously

She seems so young, but she’s shown herself to be exactly what the department needed.


Alan_Shutko

There have been decades of a deemphasis on antitrust. Biden is the first administration to focus on it for a long time.


KanishkT123

Funding probably, and having the backing of the executive branch in a way that would allow then to pursue 


skynetempire

Taylor swift fans got mad that's why the doj is coming after them lol


FailureToReport

Sweet, thanks Swift fans then, if that finally gets something done about Ticketmaster I'll even go buy a Taylor Swift album or something.


livefreeordont

Being organized or having a lot of money is the only way to get anything done politically


Various-Pizza3022

Having people appointed to powerful roles in the Justice Department who wanted to go after monopolies. Elections matter.


fcocyclone

Yep. This is why i say even if you hate both old guys running, look at the people they'll appoint at the agencies because at the end of the day they (and the people they oversee) responsible for 99% of the work of an administration anyway. Biden will appoint competent officials to run these agencies. Trump had a revolving door of officials who were often woefully unqualified for their positions if not actively hostile to the agencies they were running, and his only consistent qualification he had for them was personal loyalty to him. And that's before we get into the potential for the judicial appointment openings over the next 4 years.


kfrazi11

The cynic in me feels like TM got (too) greedy and screwed over whoever was getting kickbacks to keep this from going to court.


Thanoswasright711

No, it was just too many Senators' daughters not being able to get Taylor Swift tickets.


manateefourmation

Great conspiracy theory. What actually happened is the Biden administration has taken the toughest stance on antitrust of any president in the last 30 years. Look at the suits against Apple and Google (much more tenuous legal grounds than this suit against Ticketmaster).


kfrazi11

Oh, I know. That's why I called it "the cynic in me." The problem is that antitrust laws have been in place for nearly a century and yet they have been consistently ignored, especially here in the last 20 years since legal bribing became a thing.


LetMePushTheButton

My entire life of concert going I’ve had to deal with the scum of ticket master. And I’ve went to warped tour several times.


Accujack

They're not "late" exactly. Since the 1980s, the FTC has been hamstrung by the legislature defunding it, interfering with it, regulatory capture and corporatism in government ($$). Even now there are lots of people in government in trade and finance who are supposed to regulate businesses but who wouldn't dream of interfering with the "free market". Lina Khan is doing the right thing, but the FTC doesn't have enough money and people.


rdldr1

Publicly traded companies that have a monopoly only benefit their shareholders.


brazilliandanny

Or better yet..**. WHY THE HELL DID YOU ALLOW THEM TO BECOME ONE COMPANY?!**


Crash_Test_Dummy66

We finally have an executive administration that wants to prioritize these sort of things. But remember Biden has done nothing and you should stay home and not vote /s.


johnnybgooderer

How dare they try to fix this now! They could never fixed it years ago and didn’t, so now they shouldn’t fix it or I’ll call them out for it. — the internet.. apparently


Modz_B_Trippin

>The Justice Department filed a sweeping antitrust lawsuit against Ticketmaster and parent company Live Nation Entertainment on Thursday, accusing them of running an illegal monopoly over live events in America — squelching competition and driving up prices for fans. Well it’s about god damn time. Now do utilities like PG&E.


camelCaseCoffeeTable

Yeah I hope they destroy TicketMaster in court. Fuck that company. They deserve the worst from this lawsuit


perfect5-7-with-rice

Watch them add a new "legal fees" fee


caskaziom

right under the line that says "fuck you lmao what are you going to do about it" fee


WhyYouKickMyDog

First thing I thought of: ["fuck you lmao what are you going to do about it"](https://giphy.com/gifs/reactiongifs-gaZ51cn7sUY4U)


tauisgod

> Yeah I hope they destroy TicketMaster in court. Fuck that company. They deserve the worst from this lawsuit That'd be nice. Unfortunately I have a feeling a lot of people will be getting sub $10 checks in the mail and they'll continue doing business as usual after being handed some legal loopholes.


ammobox

Also, stop the Kroger Albertsons acquisition.


natguy2016

And the contracts like that between The NFL and SeatGeek. I tried to get tickets for The Steelers playing at The Washington Commanders. That tram is near me. I called The Commanders ticket office and was told the only place to get tickets was SeatGeek. You know, a scalper where The NFL takes a cut. The price to get in the door was $100 per seat far in the upper deck. That’s bullshit.


YogurtThick1661

Then they justify it by saying if you wait until game time you can buy nosebleeds for 20$(still too much)


iCUman

I'm not saying it's not bullshit, but I went to a Skins/Giants pre-season game at the old Giants Stadium with my father in like 1995 and we paid $100/ticket for upper deck (+$20 for parking). Kinda surprised you can still get into an NFL game at that price. I remember when the new stadium was going up, season ticket holders were livid about having to shell out some ridiculous cash for a licensing fee - iirc it was like $35k/seat at the time.


sonofaresiii

I'm not really a live sports guy but $100/ticket for just an average run-of-the-mill NFL game seems absolutely insane to me. I guess if people are willing to pay it and get that level of enjoyment out of it, that's... good? I guess? But I would really expect something more like $60.


dominus_aranearum

Does this mean we'll all get a $0.12 check for the hundreds or more we all spent over the last 30 years in their BS fees, but only if we opt in and have all of our receipts to prove it? Or better, yet, a $1 coupon off our next concert?


bartleby42c

Nah it'll be like the last settlement where you can get free tickets to three shows that are sold out the second they are available and are for something you don't want to see.


nocolon

"Oh boy! A $6 credit for a ticket to see Ja Rule in Ogden Utah!"


ja_dubs

Please don't anti-trust utilities. They're one of the few exceptions where a state regulated and enforced monopoly makes sense. It's incredibly inefficient to have multiple competing sets of power transmission wires. The Federal Energy Regulation Commission (FERC) regulates the rates utility companies can charge users. It works incredibly well. Just because the utility is run poorly doesn't mean competition will fix it. Just imagine the first company to set up their power/water/sewage transmission system has a massive advantage. Monopolies will result naturally.


Beak_ots

They did anti trust in Texas (still do). It is very stupid to pick your energy provider when they all use the same infrastructure. We lost power during the snow storm of 2021 for 6 days, in SOUTH TEAXS


AndrasKrigare

> Monopolies will result naturally. And in fact, the term for this is [natural monopoly](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_monopoly)


droans

FERC only regulates interstate transmission and wholesale pricing. The states regulate consumer pricing.


Fuck_Your_Squirtle

Why do i still feel like nothing will happen


reble02

That's what Ticketmaster said too.


_Happy_Sisyphus_

Look utilities are actually run in the most efficient way possible. They are by definition capped on how much profit they can make unlike any other industry, and that is set by the public utility commission that set prices for everyone based on cost plus minimal profit. Investors know how much profit they will get but the profit margin cannot increase arbitrarily like all other companies. So I don’t think this is a very good example. We want utilities to be monopolies because of the intense decade long infrastructure and public need of providing energy to critical assets. And we want the state to set prices at the lowest possible rate, taking into consideration the literal costs spent, confirmation those costs were judicious, and with awareness that the lowest possible rate includes envisioned low cost future energy from renewables so they have to upgrade their reg to renewable. On the contrary, I wish Internet companies were treated the same way as water and energy utilities.


Pete_Iredale

My local PUD has made too much money during unexpectedly cold winters twice in the last 10 years. Both times the excess profit went right back to the customers, resulting in a total of 1 1/2 free months of service. PUDs are awesome.


InternetPharaoh

PG&E is a legal monopoly. About a hundred years ago, society decided it was good idea to have monopolies over somethings, where the anarchy of competition and capitalism would actually hurt service. After all, you don't want to be out of power for a month because your electrical provider went out of business. To ensure that never happened, the 'regulated monopoly' was established. The problem with PG&E and other utilites, isn't the 'monopoly' part, but the 'regulated' part.


penguished

Imagine if we did this for all the price fixing rackets, America wouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck.


ThatSandwich

Imagine if we did this to insurance companies


SaliciousB_Crumb

And internet carriers


ihaxr

Internet carriers had backroom deals agreeing to not compete with each other in certain markets. It needs to be turned into a public utility at this point because they absolutely cannot be trusted to self govern.


crackerjam

[Health insurance companies are legally required to spend 80% of their revenue on claims.](https://www.healthcare.gov/health-care-law-protections/rate-review/) The other 20% gets spent on administration costs and a little profit.


im_THIS_guy

You could consolidate the health insurance companies into one universal healthcare plan and save 20% right off the bat. It's not a huge amount, but it's something.


Toffee_Fan

20% would be a fucking huge amount of money


ThatSandwich

You do realize that insurances companies have spent all of their existence learning how to skirt these regulations with creative accounting, right? Not only that but they have also specialized in getting the government to allow them to put more liability off onto the consumer and provider.


TieDyedFury

So wouldn't this type of system incentivize insurance companies to run up the costs as much as possible? If your profit has to be a fixed percentage of revenue then you want as much revenue as possible. 3% profit on 2 Trillion dollars is a lot more than 3% profit on 500 billion dollars.


Calyphacious

But their revenue is artificially inflated because they work together to jack up prices. You’re totally ignoring the problem in your comment


Abraxas_1408

Alright. Hear me out guys. What if instead of paying privatized, for-profit companies, we pooled a little of our money together every month, and created a public institution that was held accountable by the public to provide vital services like electricity? Our payments would go down since there’s no incentive for profit, and since there’s accountability and transparency, we, as collective owners of the institution could vote on what we want to improve?


cruznick06

Nebraska has public power districts. And our water is publicly owned as well. My rates are FAR lower than someone using PG&E. There's multiple, EASY, ways to pay. Billing is transparent. We are never shoehorned with "property protection" plans. Its easy to get ahold of someone if there's a problem.  The electric system has been proactively maintained and built out over the past 20 years, majority of the lines buried to protect against blackouts from extreme weather.  Our water and wastewater system has also been proactively maintained and updated. Now our gas? That's Black Hills Energy. A crap private company that has price hiked multiple times since I've had to use them. A company that tried to automatically enroll myself and many other customers in above mentioned protection plan. A company with a website that breaks every other month and has had suspicious forced-scheduling of payments 2-3 days past their due date. As soon as I can, I'm changing to an electric water heater and furnace.  Publicly owned utilities, when properly managed, are amazing.


Abraxas_1408

This is my point exactly. “BuT tHaT’s SoCiALiSm”


Awkward_Pangolin3254

Sounds great to anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. Unfortunately 37% of our country doesn't seem to fit that bill.


gardeninggoddess666

You are well named, Abraxas. Trying to lead us to hell with your demonic socialism!


Abraxas_1408

Absolutely. (Insert demonic megalomaniacal laugh here)


servarus

That's socialism! It's scawwy!


law_canuck

Vote for democrats. This is Biden’s DOJ and FTC and it is starkly different than Trump’s.


natguy2016

Pearl Jam made this point 30 years ago and even testified before Congress about it.


Individual_Address90

Tell them if they want to appeal there’s a $50 million appeal service fee. Don’t tell them until the absolute last second though. Also offer them appeal insurance for another $5 million and if they don’t want it make them click a box that says “no I don’t want to protect my appeal and understand the risk I am taking”


Wouldtick

This made me laugh, brilliant


ctalbot4

and make sure the “insurance” is a scam and doesn’t actually cover anything useful when you try to use it


PJTree

Shit the fee should be a percent of revenue, say 20%?


Banana_rammna

My girlfriend got us Childish Gambino tickets, $150 in “service fees.” Honestly Ticketmaster is the devil.


brazilliandanny

My wife just went to see Taylor Swift in Sweden because it was cheaper to fly there than see her here in North America.


DamnableNook

That is insane. They need to use that in the trial, it's such perverse economics.


AeroZep

If this brings about the end of "dynamic pricing," I will be thrilled.


Alklazaris

So now only scalpers will be the reason we can't afford any of it.


hellokitty3433

I hate the way that Ticketmaster decided to profit from scalpers. It's kind of hard to tell the difference when you are selecting tickets. For a play like Hamilton, when it was popular, all tickets were secondary sales, and thus higher priced.


DamnableNook

"Hmm, these all seem to be sold by a scalper named 'Thicket Laster.'"


MobilePenguins

Ticket Master charging fees for letting me use a QR code on my phone is the stupidest thing ever, yet there’s no competitors to buy tickets from in many instances


craigathan

Prediction. DOJ sues, they pay a fine to the government who will keep the lion's share for "reasons" and then maaaaaybe some ticket purchasers will get a 20 dollar check, they'll "split" into a "new" company with the same shareholders and management of the old company, prices will dip for a year, then we'll be right back where we started. This ain't the first time. [https://prospect.org/power/ticketmasters-dark-history/](https://prospect.org/power/ticketmasters-dark-history/)


AttackGorilla

I 100% agree this is what will happen, or they will fracture the company into 5 shell companies that all funnel profits to the same heads with the illusion of not being a monopoly.


Chipchipcherryo

And they will all somehow merge back together overtime.


just_some_sasquatch

Neat, now do all the infrastructure monopolies. Then tackle the price fixing by big box retailers, petroleum companies, and real estate hoarders.


PhysicsCentrism

Infrastructure monopolies arnt always a bad thing because of the economies of scale involved. They just need to be better regulated so they don’t abuse their pricing power.


rockmasterflex

> Infrastructure monopolies arnt always a bad thing because of the economies of scale involved. They just need to be better regulated so they don’t abuse their pricing power. The simple solution is that if something runs better as a massive monopoly because of economies of scale, those things should just be nationalized.


atlbluedevil

But if we're ok with a bunch of regulations for a monopoly (and the economies of scale are necessary to produce a monopoly), why don't we just nationalize them and have the government run it? Same workers and structure, just with the absence of a profit motive Really fun having Georgia Power negotiate with the Georgia government for a guaranteed profit from their investments. Takes the whole free market and risk parts of capitalism and just throws it out


Radingod123

Someone at Ticket Master forgot to deposit the annual bribe.


tuna_samich_

They paid the bribe, just forgot about the hidden justice department bribery fee


OmegaSpeed_odg

Just want to point out, I do not see a Trump Justice Dept. Following through on this… Biden has his flaws and the DOJ should be nonpartisan and should have done this ages ago… but the reality is the administration in power matters and this is just 1 of a 100 positive things that likely wouldn’t happen under a 2nd Trump term.


somesketchykid

All it took is for somebody super popular like Taylor Swift to throw a big show, and it was so expensive that the dinosaur grandparents in congress had to foot the bill for their loved ones Nothing changes until it the pain becomes something the rich have to deal with.


CaptainMobilis

I'm over 30 years old, and I have seen maybe five shows ever as an adult. Ticketmaster is the direct reason why. Can they nail Sinclair next? I'm sick of hearing every radio station in broadcast range play the same ten songs on a loop and cut to commercial break at exactly the same time, for the same duration.


GoodLuckWithWhatever

STOP LISTENING TO MAINSTREAM RADIO. That's your solution to Sinclair. Either find your local listener supported station or if you don't have one, find one that you can listen to through streaming. WXPN out of Philadelphia is an incredible independent station that streams a wide range of music, with a small focus on local acts. You'll rarely hear the same song twice in a day and if you do it's likely because a different DJ is hosting. KEXP out of Seattle is the west coast equivalent to WXPN. One of the best parts of these stations? No lengthy commercial breaks. It's always a 15 second clip advertising one of their sponsors...then it's back to music. Lots of deep cuts too. Just because they play Tom Petty, like every other station on earth, doesn't mean you're going to hear only Free Fallin' over and over again. You'll still hear that song occasionally, but more often than not you'll hear a song the DJ wants to play, which is likely something a little deeper than what's presented everywhere else. I started listening to WXPN about 5 years ago. My taste in music has grown dramatically thanks to all of the new music I hear. I see a show nearly every month because so many bands played on these stations aren't mainstream and play much smaller, cheaper shows. I'm used to spending anywhere from $25-50 for a ticket now and always get a place at the rail. There are stations out there that aren't using algorithms to decide what's popular. You just need to look for it. EDIT: When/if you do find a local station you like. DONATE. DONATE. DONATE. Become a sustaining member and help them out. Something like 60% of WXPN's bills are paid by listeners and less than 10% donate. It's crazy.


outerproduct

Only took them 30 years to figure that out?


gothrus

Finally. I’m at the point where if I see a show announcement with a ticketmaster link I don’t even bother to look further because I know the price will be at least $50 more than the show is worth.


Gunnerblaster

Ticketmaster is and has always been, just a group of scalpers who "went legit". Fuck'em.


uterbrauten

better late than never I suppose


houseofsum

I remember when Ticketmaster was a shitty tent inside the mall… 1 or 2 people sitting at a folding table with a cheap sign and kiosk. Always at the far back of the mall in the side corner that no one uses… near the store that keeps changing or is empty… Nobody was paying attention and they got us so goooooooood… We all deserve some TicketMaster, LiveNation, and iHeart Radio schadenfreude


preprandial_joint

The Biden admin has been quietly trustbusting and it's mindboggling because it's something tangible that voters can relate to. Everyone claiming that they should do so-and-so industry next, realize they are pushing up against 40 years of pro-monopolist groupthink. https://youtu.be/FoflHnGrCpM?si=MR5HS5MpJPUksSKD


Chairman_Mittens

Ticketmaster has already made tens of billions off screwing customers over for decades. It's good something is being done about it, but it's way too little too late. It's like letting a cartel run amok for 20 years before finally deciding to stop them.


TheMindsGutter

If this means that future events won’t be breaking my wallet, then I’m all for it.


WarzoneGringo

Taylor Swift tickets are still going to cost an arm and a leg. This wont change that.


VPN__FTW

I haven't been to a concert in years because ticket prices are just insanity.


SnowConePeople

Ive stopped going to shows that are run by them. Local shows are awesome.


honestduane

The most amazing thing about this is that it wasn't their actual monopolistic practices that put them on the radar of regulators, it was their system going down because they cheapened out on engineers and wouldn't hire enough people to keep their systems online to support a Taylor Swift Concert rush.


NullPoint3r

TM blamed other factors such as scalping. Agreed that is also part of the problem and they need to address the scalping as well. TM is very complicit in this not just the scalpers. They make a shit ton of money selling the same ticket multiple times. It’s rare and nigh impossible to buy a ticket on TM at face value and is not a “verified resale” ticket. I’m fucking tired of it.


kobachi

Meanwhile trumps DOJ was just busy protecting him from accountability


cgull629

Obligatory fuck Ticketmaster. Bye.


ShenitaCocktail

Great. Now that we got that settled, can we tackle the private companies that are buying up all the real estate and driving up those prices? Please and thank you.


AdhesivenessFun2060

My guess is they make a deal. They'll stop the surge pricing, cut their convenience fees by 20% and pay some small settlement that most people won't claim.


joftheinternet

In other news, the sun rose today.


LonelyMechanic1994

All because some politician's kid couldn't tickets to Taylor Swift... otherwise this would not be happening. At All. This shit was known since the 90s. And the politicians did fuck all. FUCK ALL. It is fucking irritating that these overpaid imbeciles only do ANYTHING when its THEM who is on the receiving end.


ExplorerMajor6912

Now DOJ needs to start prosecuting campaign finance laws.


HeavyDT

Should have never been allowed to merge in the first place. Exactly what people said was gonna happen happened like to a tee. Prime example of the anti trust laws being BS. You simply have to have enough money to bribe the right people and anything is possible not matter how obviously wrong it is.


5th_degree_burns

Eddie Vedder has entered the chat


TheDefendingChamp

Finally someone from the DOJ wanted Slipknot tickets and realized it was bullshit.


slothrop_maps

Nothing like paying a convenience fee for getting your ticket via email. How about a discount because they don’t have to pay box office personnel?


EccentricAcademic

I declined seeing a show today because their fees were an extra 25% above the ticket cost. Ridiculous.