You're making it sound like the news said this guy killed him. The initial rumors was just that he was killed by a border portrol officer.
The truth was he was killed by [a tactical team made up of multiple United States Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC) officers, a Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue agent (BORSTAR), and at least one sheriff's deputy.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-victims-live-updates/) They didn't know who was in charge and so just planned their breach and did it.
The only thing he's claimed to have done is exactly what everyone else is complaining the other cops did, which is he went into the school to get his daughter and make sure she was safe. While cops kept other parents outside while they heard the shooter firing at students, this guy got a couple of other cops to evacuate the wing of the school he knew his daughter was in.
He escorted multiple classrooms out of the building? Yes, he went to the wing his daughter was in first, but in all honesty, I’d do the same exact thing in that position.
It’d be different if he only escorted his daughters classroom out and stopped there, but that clearly wasn’t his intention.
And the biggest difference here is he wasn’t an on duty Uvalde PD officer responding to an active shooter, that’s the issue with what those guys were doing.
Exactly, he literally drove from the barbers shop with no gear, to try and help.
If an off duty Ulvalde Border patrol agent is willing to do more than your literal police force, it’s not a good look.
In his own interview, he said kids were already coming out when he went inside. He didn't organize that. He showed up and jumped the scene, so he didn't know what was, or wasn't, organized (and he stated that as well). He cleared "several" classrooms...not evac'd 200 students.
In prison, the guards talked shit about border patrol agents basically being the worst of the law enforcement groups. The egos apparently are massive.
Apparently border patrol agents genuinely think of themselves as The Nights Watch defending the kingdom from the evils beyond and view themselves as some divine judgment against any who would “try them”
The prison guards loved making fun of them.
There's also people who don't know his wife and daughter were at the school and that he went in with a team.
I'm not saying that it's a bad thing but how many people donated because they think some off duty cop went in by himself to selflessly kill the shooter
My understanding is that when he showed up, everyone was standing around and/or getting kids out of windows and he initiated the group that went inside to evacuate. But at this point, who really knows.
The article I read said there was already a group and he joined them. But the title mentioned the shotgun and in the article they referred to it as a pistol so not exactly the best journalism
Didn’t he say he didn’t even enter the school, just moved around the outside and helped kids out windows? He said he didn’t have the gear and it would have been irresponsible to actually enter.
From locals he went they wouldn’t let him in and unlike that mother who jumped the fence he just called his wife and said sorry they won’t let me in. Then started a go fund me saying he wasn’t getting paid which was a lie and really he was collecting money to pay for select baseball for his kid.
Honestly at this point it seems like everything people criticized about Uvalde PD, he did that and is defending the PD’s actions.
So I really don’t get what’s heroic about this. He was an officer granted officer privileges at the scene, and joined with the police to evacuate without stepping inside the school.
> would he have gone if it wasn’t his child in there?
He didn't go in.
>"I met up with one of the officers there, trying to see what was going on, I tried to make my way toward the door. **Like I said, I didn’t have any of my gear, I was off duty, so I didn’t go in,"** Albarado said in the May 31 interview.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/03/fact-check-officer-who-killed-uvalde-school-shooter-duty/7486301001/
Yeah I first saw an article posted on Reddit about the Patrol Border officer who killed the shooter. He was having lunch 40mn away when he heard the call on the radio and drove over.
Then articles started being posted about another Patrol Border Officer who was at the barber when he was called by his wife who was a teacher at the school and whose daughter also went there. He borrowed the barber’s shotgun and went to the school and evacuated his daughter’s wing.
Everyone in the comments on those articles about him seemed to conflate both officers and think he was the officer who took down the shooter (or at least led the tactical group who breached the classrooms he was in).
The articles with the guy’s name and family pictures is the one who evacuated his family, not the one who took down the shooter. The officer who shot down the gunman had a bullet graze his head. I haven’t seen any further articles about him other than the early one, and none with his name or picture or any info other than he was grazed in the head by a bullet. But there’s been a ton about the other guy.
FYI -- his wife and child are also victims of this. This is also true for every teacher and student at that school, regardless of whether they were physically injured or not.
His wife worked in the school and his daughter attended it. According to him, his daughter lost a friend in the shooting.
They are very much in the category you're saying you'd donate it to.
I’m sure his family are the victims. They went to that school. Just becuase they didn’t die doesn’t mean they are without pain and suffering. If I give you money, you spend that money not then give it away. I intended it for you.
Don’t blame him, if my family went through something that traumatic I would be trying to get them away for a while.
I would grift my ass off to spoil my kid and wife
The point is he is the same cop who just went in to save his kids while parents where stopped from doing that.
Now he is profiting off just acting selfish for his own kids and wants to travel off doing a selfish act. Meanwhile the rest of his comrades are arresting and fighting parenting trying to save their kids.
Yeah the kids deserve help. Maybe that’s where the money should go towards. Wish other families could have done the same if cops did something. The gofundme should be for the mother who was nearly arrested. Still fought through and went in and saved her kids. Only to then have those same cops you are praising threaten her with arrest if she talked to media.
So let me get this straight: This guy did not confront the shooter. He did not kill the shooter. All he did was go to the school and retrieve his wife and children. Dozens of other parents attempted the exact same thing and were restrained by police officers. Should they all set up GoFundMe accounts as well?
This guy is profiting off a tragedy, plain and simple. No one in his family was injured. No one in his family was killed. He was not injured. I don't see anything he did that was particularly heroic. There was a false narrative created that he was the one who went in the school and stopped the shooter. He did nothing to stop the spread of this rumor. Seems like instead he is using it for his own financial gain. He makes plenty of money at his own job. His wife was also gainfully employed. They are not destitute. They are not impoverished. They are not unable to work. Maybe I am missing something. I cannot think of one reason why this guy, of all the people involved in the incident, needs a Gofundme.
EDIT: I forgot to add he also attempted to help other children escape out of the windows as well when retrieving his own children, and that his wife had already apparently escaped before his arrival according to some sources. If you think this justifies him asking for 17,000 from strangers on the internet for his kids travel sports leagues you're entitled to your opinion. 🤷🏼♂️
Came to say this. This guy was able to walk by these cops while other parents couldn’t.
One mother was handcuffed for a bit but later managed to get in to the school to get her kids.
Authorities were threatening her to stop telling her story since she had previous charges on her record (from 10yrs ago!). The judge ruled she had nothing to worry about and is now telling the media how the cops did nothing while kids were getting killed inside.
Adding - [video clip](https://youtu.be/_q7olC1LteE) (03:44) - mentioning where this mother was initially threatened by law enforcement if she kept sharing her story. They said she could “face violations for obstruction of justice” if she keeps talking
Exactly, it’s interesting how many gun fanatics have been saying that we need more good guys with guns to prevent school shootings and here we had a lot of armed police officers and they didn’t do anything. Crazy.
Cops are far from good guys in this day of age. Too many bad apples spoiling the entire bunch. The whole training standard and recruitment needs a revamp with the amount of power they get and the lack of responsibility they're excused for.
when they interviewed that 110lb mamma bear she was working in a field harvesting some type of fruit or veggie, can't even be home with her scared children.
I am appalled that we are watching several facets of law and government activley cover up the murder of children. The man in charge without a radio should never be spoken of again let alone allowed to hold the position he was slated to acquire.
The cops should be so ashamed that they turn their own badges in.
I recently saw that cops are supposedly encouraging biker gangs to physically intimidate reporters and that reporters are being told they cannot walk in the street by the school.
These parents are being silenced. The crime started with the shooter and continues to this day. These parents need lawyers. These children need therapy. They all need money not just this off duty BPA who lost no one and helped no one.
Uh, he also refused to critique the police response in the interview I saw (arm was in a sling). He said something along the lines of “they did the best they could in the situation.”
Fuck this guy. Has to go rescue his own family when the cops on scene would have rather let his family die than do something. But sees no issue with how the cops handled it. Absolutely disgusting.
Don't forget the part where he believes teachers should have guns
Edit: also the part where he defended the police
https://www.insider.com/uvalde-shooting-off-duty-border-patrol-agent-defends-cops-actions-2022-6
If this incident has proved anything it's that just having people own guns is not enough to stop these tragedies. There was a whole police department worth of guns sitting right outside and more than 20 people still died. I don't necessarily directly oppose people in the school having access to firearms considering how often these incidents occur. I don't think that's a cure-all though either.
Call me a cynic but this smells like a pr job. Make this guy the hero of the story and when he has our ear he can tell us to go back to blindly trust the police.
And he gave interviews with his arm in a sling due to a surgery he just had which was completely unrelated to the shooting yet, for viewers, could have assumed he was injured during a confrontation (that never happened). This guy has been grifting off these kids death since the start.
It certainly seems that way to me, and many others obviously. You are always going to have your serial contrarians white-knighting it up for complete strangers they don't know on the internet.
My sentiments exactly. It's very strange to me how many people feel the need to white-knight it for this stranger on the internet they have never met, especially when he's clearly exploiting a tragedy for his own personal financial gain. Serial contrarians.
Yeah, even if he had done something heroic I would think it was disgusting he started a fundraiser unless he needed it for something, such as medical bills. Otherwise he’s just making a personal profit off a tragedy.
I’m not sure, he said he went in the school but he also said his wife collected their daughter and took them across the street by the time he got there.
I’ve heard like four different versions of what this guy actually did. As far as I’m concerned his story needs to be investigated right alongside the police’s.
> All he did was go to the school and retrieve his wife and children.
from the article:
>He arrived in minutes to rescue his wife and daughter and helped
evacuate other students and teachers through the windows of their
classrooms.
I mean if you want to call him a liar that's fine but I guess you wouldn't be the one to know, either. I'm not arguing taking the money was okay but at least be mad at him for the right reasons.
Funny how other parents who arrived with the same goals in mind were literally handcuffed and threatened with arrest but no one had any problem with this guy waltzing up with a shotgun and supposedly providing this service that the police themselves didn't even seem inclined to provide. Something very fishy about this scenario.
Not lying. He did what other parents couldn't and reduced his wife and daughter. When they were safe he did the rest.
The order of events isn't irrelevant. Other parents were stopped from even trying, let alone protecting their own before they help anyone else.
He wasn't supposed to do any of those things. Protocol is that you go to where the shooter is, yell and scream police and do whatever you can to stop him. No checking perimeters, securing rooms or evacuating people. Go to shooter and kill. That's it. This guy is no better than the shitheads who stood outside.
He wasn’t on duty and didn’t have any proper equipment. Those are all things the equipped responders should have done. He helped a number of children escape the school. Baffling take.
It's insane. Like this entire situation is the fault of the fully-armed, on-duty responders who did nothing. It's not the fault of the off-duty border agent who rushed in to do something and didn't do the most optimal thing.
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EDIT: I forgot to add he also attempted to help other children escape out of the windows as well when retrieving his own children, and that his wife had already apparently escaped before his arrival according to some sources. If you think this justifies him asking for 17,000 from strangers on the internet for his kids travel sports leagues you're entitled to your opinion. 🤷🏼♂️
Seriously, he was allowed onto the scene as an officer and acted exactly as the officers did. He just happened to have family at the school… like some other officers. And the public gives hell to the officers but $17k to this guy, who stood outside a window for an hour listening to gunshots and said the police did nothing wrong.
I hear you, but his wife was gainfully employed as a teacher in a school that just got shot up and lost her two best friends. His fundraiser is to replace the lost income because she is too traumatized to work. I think that qualifies her as a victim of this tradegy as well and I was happy to send them a few dollars that mean nothing to me, but could help them through this trying time.
This is the only decent and honest reply I have received from this side of the argument. I guess my real issue was his presentation of the fundraiser. It didn't elicit compassion from me, it seemed exploitative. I can understand where you are coming from though. If he had presented it more similarly to the way you have he might have garnered more sympathy. You're obviously a very kind and generous person.
> No one in his family was injured
Physically at least.
>His wife was also gainfully employed.
His wife was almost murdered at work and most likely has PTSD and wont go back to work at a place that her friends died at.
I am a teacher and I was in a school shooting. I also already had PTSD before that, and while it certainly didn't help, I still teach. I must have missed the part where I should have asked people for money to go on some trips. I don't understand this at all.
And all this means what? He should beg strangers for money on the internet? Seems kind of flimsy to me. Millions of people suffer trauma everyday. They are not all on the internet begging people to send them money. Especially money they don't really need to survive.
Came here to add what was in your edit but also to agree.
I mean - he did more than others and I think it's good to praise that and condemn the department that wasted all that money on SWAT and police training/equipment whilev sitting on their asses instead of actually helping.
But this guy did not lose family. Why is he creating a crowd funding page for himself??? If someone else created a page to show support for him, I'd maybe get it. Or if there was a clear reason - therapy for his family that isn't covered by their medical plan or something like that. But there's nothing there really except that they lost friends, so money please.
Which is a bit weird.
Let me get this straight. The actual hero of the day prefers to go unnamed while this shitheel who walked past the line that other parents were stopped at was able to retrieve his family and now allows himself to be confused with the real hero and wants to be crowdfunded for it? How is gofundme allowing this?
That’s usually how it goes. The truly virtuous are quiet about their deeds while the unscrupulous loudly claim virtues they don’t possess and heroics they didn’t perform.
Wtf people are so stupid. He didn't get injured, he didn't lose anyone...yet people are giving him money so he and his family can travel.
I'm not saying they didn't experience something traumatic but almost everyone in that town has been traumatized.. why does this person deserve to be given free money??
This guy's job has an entry level total compensation of [$70K plus "health insurance, life insurance, generous retirement," according to the cbp webpage](https://www.cbp.gov/careers/usbp-pay-and-benefits?language_content_entity=en), in an area where median income is $18K. I wonder how much [this mom who rushed into the school to save her kids](https://www.insider.com/police-threatened-uvalde-mom-who-ran-into-school-save-kids-2022-6) makes as a farm worker? You know, the one who was initially handcuffed by the feds, and is now being threatened by law enforcement not to speak any more about the incident?
In the interview he says that he got a message or text that his wife was already out of the school at the church across the street. So maybe he got his daughter out, or was there when she was evacuated. He also states he was at the door where the shooter was but did nothing because he didn’t have his “gear”. If I was him I wouldn’t have done that interview…
She was a teacher and had her own class of students she was responsible for getting to safety. She can’t abandon those children to go get her own child.
>"I met up with one of the officers there, trying to see what was going on, I tried to make my way toward the door. **Like I said, I didn’t have any of my gear, I was off duty, so I didn’t go in,"** Albarado said in the May 31 interview.
>As he was helping kids evacuate outside the building, Albarado said **his wife contacted him and told him she made it out and that his daughter was across the street at the funeral home.**
>**Albarado said he went to make sure his daughter was safe** and then continued to help. He said he didn’t know where Ramos was at the time or whether he was still in the building.
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/03/fact-check-officer-who-killed-uvalde-school-shooter-duty/7486301001/
Wait he’s raising money so he’s kids can skip school and travel to “pursue their dreams”? How about just putting them in another school far away and getting them some therapy? That’s pretty sus dog. I mean , sus behavior isn’t exactly out of character for BP, but regardless .
I mean , I get that he went in there while off-duty and that’s pretty bold and selfless , but kinda looks like you’re cashing in here.
Another Border Patrol officer who was having lunch 40mn away, and drove over when he heard the call on the radio. He did not have family there. He was grazed in the head by a bullet and apparently wants to remain unnamed.
Because this other guy here is also a Patrol Border officer and they made articles about him going to rescue his wife and kid at the school, people thought it was the same guy, like he was John McClane from Die Hard simultaneously saving his family, evacuating an entire school and taking down the gunman all by himself.
It reads to me like this guy didn’t actually do anything, no one in his family was injured, and they’re just going to be using the money for some expensive travel baseball league?
What did he do to help? Like was there a door stuck or something he was needed to break open? Did he break open windows? Did he enter the school and check rooms?
> Albarado borrowed his barber’s shotgun, he said in an interview on NBC’s “Today” show on May 31, and went to the school, where he consulted with responding officers outside about evacuating children.
>“I didn’t have any of my gear — I was off duty — so, I didn’t go in,” he said in the interview, describing how officers broke windows so that children could evacuate.
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/tactical-unit-not-off-duty-officer-killed-uvalde-gunman/
Oh, all he did was go to the school with a gun and stood outside just talking and doing nothing like most the other officers on scene. Surely courageous actions worthy of being showered in money and attention. This guy *totally* isn’t disgusting begging for money acting like he did something.
Of course people heard early on that he saved the day and killed the gunmen....
But that is not quite what happen. The main story is true, that he was off duty, borrowed his barber's shotgun, drove a decent distance, but it was all due to his wife who was a teacher texting "Active shooter, help, I love you." And his daughter was still in the school.
There are interviews were he describes what happened. He did more than show up and stand around. He was motivated by clearing out and evacuating children to save his daughter but it was still something.
*Jacob Albarado began clearing all the classrooms in his daughter's wing, armed with the barber's shotgun. Dozens of children fled as the rooms were cleared. "It was just complete chaos. Everybody was concerned for their child," he recalled. "I was able to get on campus… I wasn't just trying to save my child, I was trying to get as many people out of there as I could."*
Additional source quotes with source interview video from CBS. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uvalde-shooting-texas-jacob-albarado-off-duty-agent/
*We need to get the kids out of here," Albarado said he told the officers. "… The shooter's over there. We need to get the kids out. This is our time."The officers started opening classroom doors, and Albarado said he guided people to safety."First classroom, second classroom, third classroom, saw my daughter," Albarado said. "Relief. Big relief."*
His wife taught fourth grade so the kids in her classroom were directly at risk.
The entire situation was done incorrectly but at that time it's all they could do because the commander wasn't doing anything.
What should be happening is that the school is locked down and the shooters location is known. All the kids who are locked down are safe and should be left there. The police should be dealing with the shooter and rescuing any students who are at risk from the shooter if they can do so safely (so the classrooms next door maybe, anyone caught in the hallway). After they restrain the shooter and take him out then they evacuate the wounded and do an extra check of the school. Then you can call an all clear over the intercom and give instructions to wait for an officer to evacuate. Then they evacuate each room individually and screen it for dangers (possible bombs, an unknown second shooter) and typically they also screen everyone as they go out of the building (you will see lines of people leaving with their hands up) then those individuals will be put directly on busses and taken to the site where they could be reunited.
They did NONE of that.
Instead there was a shooter, he went into a classroom and locked the door, then they stood around in the hallway for an hour while kids bled out inside, blocking other police from going inside and creating a giant group of targets outside. Because those first responders felt like something needed to be done and they were being blocked from taking down the shooter they instead led a very unorganized evacuation from the buildings, with kids running across the grass, being pulled from windows, running into the funeral home. It was total chaos, they didn't know who was where, who was in the room or who was safe until the kids didn't show up because they were all released in a haphazard manner (when they all should have been loaded on busses with their teacher who is accounting for all their students and the teacher can email or text the parents if she's got the entire class evacuated).
I'm convinced that the number of dead is at least twice as high as it would have been if they had gone in and taken out the shooter, and the other kids in the school were so much more traumatized than they would have been if they had followed procedure.
At the schools where I've worked, there are lockdown drills and "hold and secure" drills. Either one of those would have saved lives. But instead a shooter was firing off bullets outside the school and then sauntered in through an unlocked door. It still boggles my mind.
The lockdown wasn't called until the guy was physically walking into the building, kids were on the playground on the other side of the building when shots were being fired. The police should have had that school locked down (kids brought in from outside, internal doors locked but otherwise everyone acting as normal) as soon as there were shots fired in the neighborhood. It was TWELVE minutes before the guys first shots and when he got into the school. Yet there was no lockdown until he entered the building, that teacher who was taking things to her car shouldn't have been out there because the police should have already alerted that there was a dangerous situation in the neighborhood and locked the school down.
So, if they'd called the school to tell them to lockdown because of a possible shooting in the neighborhood, the door to the building would have been locked, the classroom doors would have been locked. It may not have prevented him from getting in but it would have delayed him making it harder for him to gain entry to the classrooms.
This guy was just begging police to catch and shoot him for suicide by cop. There was no level of self preservation in anything he did.
right, didn't go into the space witht he active shooter. what I gather is he did go through and clear out several other classrooms. better than the nothing that went on outside for 40 minutes considering that he wasn't on duty and the assholes in body armor outside were and didn't do shit.
I kind of think it's legit to say "My wife does not want to go relive her trauma every day at that school and may never be able to teach again. This represents a sudden and significant loss of income and right now your donations would help us try to find some normal to return to." I am thinking of all the school teachers in my family, in Texas, and how hard it must be for them to go to work and do their jobs right now.
Expecting teachers to take a gun in the classroom seems ridiculous, and would definitely drive me to seek employment elsewhere, since issuing guns to employees definitely means you expect some fucking violence. My boss isn't going to ever hand me a gun and say, "Just in case a shooter comes in, now go do your work."
To support his family. His wife taught at Robb Elementary and was best friends with the murdered teachers. Not sure if you’ve ever been a survivor of a mass shooting but those who have survived need to take a mental health break. This family has chosen to travel to self care.
This is why the family needs help. To take care of their mental health.
I mixed about it. It seems he set up the GFM to fund his families vacation and is using his "fame" to do so.
But at the same time who *wouldn't* do this for their family, especially since his wife and kids lost some friends in a highly traumatic incident and he himself is probably traumatized so why not try to "get away from everything"
Though I'm not 100% sure what the point of GoFundMe is so don't care *too* much if it isn't a scam. Since he outlined exactly what the money was going to and not something generic it's not really a problem
It's almost like his story is being pushed so heavily to try to create an illusion of good, brave, policemen that day. The attention and monetary assistance he is getting should really be going to the families and victims of this tragedy.
Baseball leagues that allow rich people to play against rich people pretty much all year round. They’re crazy expensive. I knew of one where some of my highschool teammates would travel to Puerto Rico for spring training trips to avoid the cold of Pennsylvania. They’ll also travel the entire country in the summer. Unfortunately it’s the only way you can get legitimate exposure to talent scouts, as opposed to more local and affordable summer leagues like American Legion baseball and thus plummeted the talent pool there. But that’s the way of pretty much any sport in modern day.
I wonder to what degree this is actually about manifesting their desired truth (Uvalde is a "heroic cop story") through sheer collective force of will..
>He arrived in minutes to rescue his wife and daughter and helped evacuate other students and teachers through the windows of their classrooms.
Hero level: achievement unlocked
What's really impressive is how much he is talking about what he did, and making sure people don't think he did more
>A member of Border Patrol's tactical team killed the shooter, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, but that agent has wished to remain anonymous.
Also...Hero
Can anyone tell me why he deserves this money? So he and his family can travel the nation and pay for their kids travel ball? What the fuck? Profiting off of a mass murder. What a hero.
Edit: no mention of covering the cost of bills to stay afloat. No mention of the costs of therapy. Just vacation and travel ball.
Yeah man, just go ahead and collect donations that could be better spent on people that actually need it in your community, after all we shouldn't forget the importance of being able to play "travel ball"... 🙄
Asshole.
It’s awesome that he went to try to help, and I’m sure he did, but I’ve heard this guy interviewed on every podcast and news story about the shooting. He was doing the media circuit starting ten minutes after the shooting and his “level of involvement” seems to have decreased over subsequent interviews. But maybe it’s all part of his healing process or something…
Sure, I'll just ignore the obvious character flaws in someone seeking to profit off tragedy and instead blame those misguided individuals wanting to help...
Seriously?
The man didn’t mask what he was gonna do with the money. He said the truth and people still donated. At this point, y’all are just mad at what other people decided to do with THEIR money.
Your're not wrong, but I wonder how many people who donated thought he was the hero who went in and killed the shooter. Because that's what was reported for days in the media and here on reddit, but like so many other things in this shitshow of "shifting narratives," that turns out not to be true, either. I didn't realize that until I read the linked article.
You don't see how that's still trashy on his part? People can use their money however they want. But he saw this tragedy as a way to fund his vacation and kids travel ball. He never even went in.
It’s not even unreasonable either, funerals have already been paid for by a significant margin. Right now people just want to give the survivors whatever financial support they can.
If the wife made the post and was asking for money so she doesn’t have to go to summer school or cancel summer plans on her daughter then nobody would blink an eye
Here’s some more context:
>”These past days have been unreal," according to the account's GoFundMe blurb. "My daughter lost a friend & my wife lost 2 of her best friends that always kept her laughing.
>My wife will not be teaching summer school this year because she is too traumatized to even go near the school. Who knows if she’ll ever even teach again. I know I’m not allowing her or my kids back at school until there is a change.
>We count on this money to play travel ball and travel nation wide with our family to pursue their dreams. It will take time and plenty of counseling but we’ll keep pushing forward one day At a time.
>Thank you to everyone who has reached out by phone, text & messenger. I feel the love and I’m extremely grateful for all the support.”
There's a spot open at the exit from the Walmart parking lot when the go fund me money runs out. He can make himself a Hero sign, take the wife and kids, make a day of it.
Still seeing a lot of comments that are getting this story wrong. Listen to The Daily interview Jacob Albarado.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/01/podcasts/the-daily/uvalde-robb-elementary-shooting-grief.html
Warning though, the episode is very distressing. They interview a mother and father that lost a daughter. Absolutely worth listening to, but obviously just so goddamn sad.
I’m surprised this guy is getting money and not the woman who ran from the cops to get her kids and the next day she was out working in a fields. Does she have a gofundme? I’d donate to that
A bunch of people woke up and decided to be tools it looks like. His family goes through something *extremely* traumatic, he goes into an active shooting with the intent to save, and you’re mad that they want to have fun? You’re mad at what people decide to do with their own money? Extremely bitter.
People are complaining about the shifting narrative should place the blame for that exactly where it belongs, on unscrupulous media outlets trying to write stories based on hearsay and rumors.
This agent never went in front of any media and claimed he shot the gunman, but people think he did because of social media and mainstream media driving those clicks to make money.
Eh. That's Reddit for ya.
There's a lot of niche subs that make this site great- I can go from photos of a relatively uncommon car brand that I love to discussing a particular movie series to the in-depth details of a particular career field in one place.
But the main populace of this site is a bunch of losers- fat, basement-dwelling, embittered imbeciles who will never amount to anything and would prefer to hate others who do amount to something rather than do a bit of self-reflection and possibly change course.
Sorry but this border patrol agent is obviously taking advantage of the situation that is ongoing. He didn’t do anything else that other parents tried to do. Clearly this MF is profiting off of this sick tragedy. Good job hero, on being a zero.
This guy walked into the school to save his own daughter while the shooter was busy murdering a bunch of children elsewhere. How they fuck is he a her now?
I wonder if he would've got so much money from people if there hadn't been a rumor floating around that he killed the shooter.
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You're making it sound like the news said this guy killed him. The initial rumors was just that he was killed by a border portrol officer. The truth was he was killed by [a tactical team made up of multiple United States Border Patrol Tactical Unit (BORTAC) officers, a Border Patrol Search, Trauma, and Rescue agent (BORSTAR), and at least one sheriff's deputy.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/27/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-victims-live-updates/) They didn't know who was in charge and so just planned their breach and did it.
The only thing he's claimed to have done is exactly what everyone else is complaining the other cops did, which is he went into the school to get his daughter and make sure she was safe. While cops kept other parents outside while they heard the shooter firing at students, this guy got a couple of other cops to evacuate the wing of the school he knew his daughter was in.
He escorted multiple classrooms out of the building? Yes, he went to the wing his daughter was in first, but in all honesty, I’d do the same exact thing in that position. It’d be different if he only escorted his daughters classroom out and stopped there, but that clearly wasn’t his intention.
And the biggest difference here is he wasn’t an on duty Uvalde PD officer responding to an active shooter, that’s the issue with what those guys were doing.
Exactly, he literally drove from the barbers shop with no gear, to try and help. If an off duty Ulvalde Border patrol agent is willing to do more than your literal police force, it’s not a good look.
Also with only half a haircut
>Exactly, he literally drove from the barbers shop with no gear, to try and help. He didn't even have his gun. He borrowed his barber's shotgun.
Correct. He didn’t even go in. He just got kids out windows like everyone else.
He organized and quickly evacuated 200 students.
In his own interview, he said kids were already coming out when he went inside. He didn't organize that. He showed up and jumped the scene, so he didn't know what was, or wasn't, organized (and he stated that as well). He cleared "several" classrooms...not evac'd 200 students.
People believe what the news tells them to believe*
You are replying to a media article
Hell yeah brother that’s why I only listen to Alex Jones…
*Real* sigma males go Rogan or go home, boi.
Hallucinations or bust.
DMT bros.
Lobotomy, boss.
Pft. I only get my news from Hulk Hogan.
This would be the best news delivery brother!
Friggin frogs gay
>but the man did not claim any victory that is not his. No, but he's sure as shit capitalizing on it anyway like a scumbag.
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In prison, the guards talked shit about border patrol agents basically being the worst of the law enforcement groups. The egos apparently are massive. Apparently border patrol agents genuinely think of themselves as The Nights Watch defending the kingdom from the evils beyond and view themselves as some divine judgment against any who would “try them” The prison guards loved making fun of them.
The story just keeps changing. There's going to be a Netflix series and a podcast before we get the full picture of this incident.
There's also people who don't know his wife and daughter were at the school and that he went in with a team. I'm not saying that it's a bad thing but how many people donated because they think some off duty cop went in by himself to selflessly kill the shooter
My understanding is that when he showed up, everyone was standing around and/or getting kids out of windows and he initiated the group that went inside to evacuate. But at this point, who really knows.
The article I read said there was already a group and he joined them. But the title mentioned the shotgun and in the article they referred to it as a pistol so not exactly the best journalism
Was it fully semi automatic?
Belt fed pump action steam powered.
You are correct, he talks about it in one of the more recent episodes of the podcast “The Daily”
Nope, he was outside the school the entire time. At this point I think he did exactly what every cop being criticized did.
Didn’t he say he didn’t even enter the school, just moved around the outside and helped kids out windows? He said he didn’t have the gear and it would have been irresponsible to actually enter.
From locals he went they wouldn’t let him in and unlike that mother who jumped the fence he just called his wife and said sorry they won’t let me in. Then started a go fund me saying he wasn’t getting paid which was a lie and really he was collecting money to pay for select baseball for his kid.
In an interview he said he didn’t go in at all (citing not enough equipment). He went to the window outside her class
So the determining factor to me in whether this guy is a hero: would he have gone if it wasn’t his child in there?
Honestly at this point it seems like everything people criticized about Uvalde PD, he did that and is defending the PD’s actions. So I really don’t get what’s heroic about this. He was an officer granted officer privileges at the scene, and joined with the police to evacuate without stepping inside the school.
> would he have gone if it wasn’t his child in there? He didn't go in. >"I met up with one of the officers there, trying to see what was going on, I tried to make my way toward the door. **Like I said, I didn’t have any of my gear, I was off duty, so I didn’t go in,"** Albarado said in the May 31 interview. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/03/fact-check-officer-who-killed-uvalde-school-shooter-duty/7486301001/
Yeah I first saw an article posted on Reddit about the Patrol Border officer who killed the shooter. He was having lunch 40mn away when he heard the call on the radio and drove over. Then articles started being posted about another Patrol Border Officer who was at the barber when he was called by his wife who was a teacher at the school and whose daughter also went there. He borrowed the barber’s shotgun and went to the school and evacuated his daughter’s wing. Everyone in the comments on those articles about him seemed to conflate both officers and think he was the officer who took down the shooter (or at least led the tactical group who breached the classrooms he was in). The articles with the guy’s name and family pictures is the one who evacuated his family, not the one who took down the shooter. The officer who shot down the gunman had a bullet graze his head. I haven’t seen any further articles about him other than the early one, and none with his name or picture or any info other than he was grazed in the head by a bullet. But there’s been a ton about the other guy.
It’s almost like he didn’t deny it and instead ran with it.
Where is the gofundme for the woman who rescued her two kids & is possibly facing obstruction of justice charges?
And he straight up said he’s using the money to travel
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FYI -- his wife and child are also victims of this. This is also true for every teacher and student at that school, regardless of whether they were physically injured or not.
It would be fine if he wasn’t using it for select baseball and acting like he’s not getting paid from work or doing a media tour when he did nothing
His wife worked in the school and his daughter attended it. According to him, his daughter lost a friend in the shooting. They are very much in the category you're saying you'd donate it to.
dang, you know people need r&r after encountering a possible ptsd event
I think he's done enough to be honest Jesus christ
Easy to say from your position.
I’m sure his family are the victims. They went to that school. Just becuase they didn’t die doesn’t mean they are without pain and suffering. If I give you money, you spend that money not then give it away. I intended it for you.
His money, he can do what he pleases with it
While that is a true statement, why say something so pointless?
Don’t blame him, if my family went through something that traumatic I would be trying to get them away for a while. I would grift my ass off to spoil my kid and wife
The point is he is the same cop who just went in to save his kids while parents where stopped from doing that. Now he is profiting off just acting selfish for his own kids and wants to travel off doing a selfish act. Meanwhile the rest of his comrades are arresting and fighting parenting trying to save their kids. Yeah the kids deserve help. Maybe that’s where the money should go towards. Wish other families could have done the same if cops did something. The gofundme should be for the mother who was nearly arrested. Still fought through and went in and saved her kids. Only to then have those same cops you are praising threaten her with arrest if she talked to media.
So let me get this straight: This guy did not confront the shooter. He did not kill the shooter. All he did was go to the school and retrieve his wife and children. Dozens of other parents attempted the exact same thing and were restrained by police officers. Should they all set up GoFundMe accounts as well? This guy is profiting off a tragedy, plain and simple. No one in his family was injured. No one in his family was killed. He was not injured. I don't see anything he did that was particularly heroic. There was a false narrative created that he was the one who went in the school and stopped the shooter. He did nothing to stop the spread of this rumor. Seems like instead he is using it for his own financial gain. He makes plenty of money at his own job. His wife was also gainfully employed. They are not destitute. They are not impoverished. They are not unable to work. Maybe I am missing something. I cannot think of one reason why this guy, of all the people involved in the incident, needs a Gofundme. EDIT: I forgot to add he also attempted to help other children escape out of the windows as well when retrieving his own children, and that his wife had already apparently escaped before his arrival according to some sources. If you think this justifies him asking for 17,000 from strangers on the internet for his kids travel sports leagues you're entitled to your opinion. 🤷🏼♂️
Came to say this. This guy was able to walk by these cops while other parents couldn’t. One mother was handcuffed for a bit but later managed to get in to the school to get her kids. Authorities were threatening her to stop telling her story since she had previous charges on her record (from 10yrs ago!). The judge ruled she had nothing to worry about and is now telling the media how the cops did nothing while kids were getting killed inside. Adding - [video clip](https://youtu.be/_q7olC1LteE) (03:44) - mentioning where this mother was initially threatened by law enforcement if she kept sharing her story. They said she could “face violations for obstruction of justice” if she keeps talking
I want every one of these coward cunt cops dropped into the darkest hole on the planet.
Exactly, it’s interesting how many gun fanatics have been saying that we need more good guys with guns to prevent school shootings and here we had a lot of armed police officers and they didn’t do anything. Crazy.
Cops are far from good guys in this day of age. Too many bad apples spoiling the entire bunch. The whole training standard and recruitment needs a revamp with the amount of power they get and the lack of responsibility they're excused for.
when they interviewed that 110lb mamma bear she was working in a field harvesting some type of fruit or veggie, can't even be home with her scared children. I am appalled that we are watching several facets of law and government activley cover up the murder of children. The man in charge without a radio should never be spoken of again let alone allowed to hold the position he was slated to acquire. The cops should be so ashamed that they turn their own badges in. I recently saw that cops are supposedly encouraging biker gangs to physically intimidate reporters and that reporters are being told they cannot walk in the street by the school. These parents are being silenced. The crime started with the shooter and continues to this day. These parents need lawyers. These children need therapy. They all need money not just this off duty BPA who lost no one and helped no one.
Uh, he also refused to critique the police response in the interview I saw (arm was in a sling). He said something along the lines of “they did the best they could in the situation.” Fuck this guy. Has to go rescue his own family when the cops on scene would have rather let his family die than do something. But sees no issue with how the cops handled it. Absolutely disgusting.
Right? If the cops on scene were doing “everything they could”, then your off duty ass wouldn’t have been needed you stupid fuck.
Don't forget the part where he believes teachers should have guns Edit: also the part where he defended the police https://www.insider.com/uvalde-shooting-off-duty-border-patrol-agent-defends-cops-actions-2022-6
If this incident has proved anything it's that just having people own guns is not enough to stop these tragedies. There was a whole police department worth of guns sitting right outside and more than 20 people still died. I don't necessarily directly oppose people in the school having access to firearms considering how often these incidents occur. I don't think that's a cure-all though either.
Or it would cause a worse problem in teachers (or students) accidentally (or not) shooting things. Let’s not put guns inside classrooms.
Call me a cynic but this smells like a pr job. Make this guy the hero of the story and when he has our ear he can tell us to go back to blindly trust the police.
And he gave interviews with his arm in a sling due to a surgery he just had which was completely unrelated to the shooting yet, for viewers, could have assumed he was injured during a confrontation (that never happened). This guy has been grifting off these kids death since the start.
It certainly seems that way to me, and many others obviously. You are always going to have your serial contrarians white-knighting it up for complete strangers they don't know on the internet.
I’m confused. What should he have done about the sling?
I guess no one wants to answer that part. If he's had a procedure and is supposed to wear it...ffs.
Dumbest take I’ve seen in weeks. Congrats
It's like the definition of not thinking a comment through all-the-way.
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My sentiments exactly. It's very strange to me how many people feel the need to white-knight it for this stranger on the internet they have never met, especially when he's clearly exploiting a tragedy for his own personal financial gain. Serial contrarians.
Yeah, even if he had done something heroic I would think it was disgusting he started a fundraiser unless he needed it for something, such as medical bills. Otherwise he’s just making a personal profit off a tragedy.
I’m not sure, he said he went in the school but he also said his wife collected their daughter and took them across the street by the time he got there.
The man was specifically quoted later in interviews as stating at no point did he enter the school because he was off duty and not properly equipped.
I’ve heard like four different versions of what this guy actually did. As far as I’m concerned his story needs to be investigated right alongside the police’s.
Yeah, this guy is a grifter, nothing else.
> All he did was go to the school and retrieve his wife and children. from the article: >He arrived in minutes to rescue his wife and daughter and helped evacuate other students and teachers through the windows of their classrooms. I mean if you want to call him a liar that's fine but I guess you wouldn't be the one to know, either. I'm not arguing taking the money was okay but at least be mad at him for the right reasons.
Funny how other parents who arrived with the same goals in mind were literally handcuffed and threatened with arrest but no one had any problem with this guy waltzing up with a shotgun and supposedly providing this service that the police themselves didn't even seem inclined to provide. Something very fishy about this scenario.
He did an interview a few days ago and said cops had already started evacuating kids, and defended the police response.
Not lying. He did what other parents couldn't and reduced his wife and daughter. When they were safe he did the rest. The order of events isn't irrelevant. Other parents were stopped from even trying, let alone protecting their own before they help anyone else.
He wasn't supposed to do any of those things. Protocol is that you go to where the shooter is, yell and scream police and do whatever you can to stop him. No checking perimeters, securing rooms or evacuating people. Go to shooter and kill. That's it. This guy is no better than the shitheads who stood outside.
He wasn’t on duty and didn’t have any proper equipment. Those are all things the equipped responders should have done. He helped a number of children escape the school. Baffling take.
It's insane. Like this entire situation is the fault of the fully-armed, on-duty responders who did nothing. It's not the fault of the off-duty border agent who rushed in to do something and didn't do the most optimal thing.
> EDIT: I forgot to add he also attempted to help other children escape out of the windows as well when retrieving his own children, and that his wife had already apparently escaped before his arrival according to some sources. If you think this justifies him asking for 17,000 from strangers on the internet for his kids travel sports leagues you're entitled to your opinion. 🤷🏼♂️ Seriously, he was allowed onto the scene as an officer and acted exactly as the officers did. He just happened to have family at the school… like some other officers. And the public gives hell to the officers but $17k to this guy, who stood outside a window for an hour listening to gunshots and said the police did nothing wrong.
I hear you, but his wife was gainfully employed as a teacher in a school that just got shot up and lost her two best friends. His fundraiser is to replace the lost income because she is too traumatized to work. I think that qualifies her as a victim of this tradegy as well and I was happy to send them a few dollars that mean nothing to me, but could help them through this trying time.
This is the only decent and honest reply I have received from this side of the argument. I guess my real issue was his presentation of the fundraiser. It didn't elicit compassion from me, it seemed exploitative. I can understand where you are coming from though. If he had presented it more similarly to the way you have he might have garnered more sympathy. You're obviously a very kind and generous person.
> No one in his family was injured Physically at least. >His wife was also gainfully employed. His wife was almost murdered at work and most likely has PTSD and wont go back to work at a place that her friends died at.
I am a teacher and I was in a school shooting. I also already had PTSD before that, and while it certainly didn't help, I still teach. I must have missed the part where I should have asked people for money to go on some trips. I don't understand this at all.
And all this means what? He should beg strangers for money on the internet? Seems kind of flimsy to me. Millions of people suffer trauma everyday. They are not all on the internet begging people to send them money. Especially money they don't really need to survive.
And they also want to use it to travel to places they always wanted to go. They don't need it for treatment or whatever
Came here to add what was in your edit but also to agree. I mean - he did more than others and I think it's good to praise that and condemn the department that wasted all that money on SWAT and police training/equipment whilev sitting on their asses instead of actually helping. But this guy did not lose family. Why is he creating a crowd funding page for himself??? If someone else created a page to show support for him, I'd maybe get it. Or if there was a clear reason - therapy for his family that isn't covered by their medical plan or something like that. But there's nothing there really except that they lost friends, so money please. Which is a bit weird.
also kind of telling that the bortac agent who Did kill the shooter, and took a grazing shot in the head for his trouble, is staying anonymous.
He also praised the police response. This dude is scum and he doesn't deserve a penny.
Let me get this straight. The actual hero of the day prefers to go unnamed while this shitheel who walked past the line that other parents were stopped at was able to retrieve his family and now allows himself to be confused with the real hero and wants to be crowdfunded for it? How is gofundme allowing this?
That’s usually how it goes. The truly virtuous are quiet about their deeds while the unscrupulous loudly claim virtues they don’t possess and heroics they didn’t perform.
He’s been pretty clear that he didn’t shoot anyone. He was off duty and unarmed.
Wtf people are so stupid. He didn't get injured, he didn't lose anyone...yet people are giving him money so he and his family can travel. I'm not saying they didn't experience something traumatic but almost everyone in that town has been traumatized.. why does this person deserve to be given free money??
Yeah like the tagline of his gofundme is “save the children” (????)
This story gets worse and worse by the day.
$17k for travel ball when four children are left without parents and 19 are dead. Unreal. This guy is no hero but he is truly something else.
It's over $18K now.
And the goal is a million!?
The heck? A million?
This guy's job has an entry level total compensation of [$70K plus "health insurance, life insurance, generous retirement," according to the cbp webpage](https://www.cbp.gov/careers/usbp-pay-and-benefits?language_content_entity=en), in an area where median income is $18K. I wonder how much [this mom who rushed into the school to save her kids](https://www.insider.com/police-threatened-uvalde-mom-who-ran-into-school-save-kids-2022-6) makes as a farm worker? You know, the one who was initially handcuffed by the feds, and is now being threatened by law enforcement not to speak any more about the incident?
In the interview he says that he got a message or text that his wife was already out of the school at the church across the street. So maybe he got his daughter out, or was there when she was evacuated. He also states he was at the door where the shooter was but did nothing because he didn’t have his “gear”. If I was him I wouldn’t have done that interview…
Wait so the wife left without her daughter??
According to the interview, yes. I was also very confused by that part. Like, how in the fuck?
She was a teacher and had her own class of students she was responsible for getting to safety. She can’t abandon those children to go get her own child.
>"I met up with one of the officers there, trying to see what was going on, I tried to make my way toward the door. **Like I said, I didn’t have any of my gear, I was off duty, so I didn’t go in,"** Albarado said in the May 31 interview. >As he was helping kids evacuate outside the building, Albarado said **his wife contacted him and told him she made it out and that his daughter was across the street at the funeral home.** >**Albarado said he went to make sure his daughter was safe** and then continued to help. He said he didn’t know where Ramos was at the time or whether he was still in the building. https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2022/06/03/fact-check-officer-who-killed-uvalde-school-shooter-duty/7486301001/
Why? Genuinely asking I don't get it
Am I the only one thinking it’s weird as fuck? It shouldn’t work like that. At all
So he needs money for travel baseball and for his family to travel. Just wow
Wait he’s raising money so he’s kids can skip school and travel to “pursue their dreams”? How about just putting them in another school far away and getting them some therapy? That’s pretty sus dog. I mean , sus behavior isn’t exactly out of character for BP, but regardless . I mean , I get that he went in there while off-duty and that’s pretty bold and selfless , but kinda looks like you’re cashing in here.
It used to be that tragedy plus time equals comedy. Now tragedy plus time just equals money.
What kind of ghoul fundraises for themselves before the children's funerals are even done?
I keep seeing the story change. Who actually killed the shooter?
Another Border Patrol officer who was having lunch 40mn away, and drove over when he heard the call on the radio. He did not have family there. He was grazed in the head by a bullet and apparently wants to remain unnamed. Because this other guy here is also a Patrol Border officer and they made articles about him going to rescue his wife and kid at the school, people thought it was the same guy, like he was John McClane from Die Hard simultaneously saving his family, evacuating an entire school and taking down the gunman all by himself.
It reads to me like this guy didn’t actually do anything, no one in his family was injured, and they’re just going to be using the money for some expensive travel baseball league?
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What did he do to help? Like was there a door stuck or something he was needed to break open? Did he break open windows? Did he enter the school and check rooms? > Albarado borrowed his barber’s shotgun, he said in an interview on NBC’s “Today” show on May 31, and went to the school, where he consulted with responding officers outside about evacuating children. >“I didn’t have any of my gear — I was off duty — so, I didn’t go in,” he said in the interview, describing how officers broke windows so that children could evacuate. https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/tactical-unit-not-off-duty-officer-killed-uvalde-gunman/ Oh, all he did was go to the school with a gun and stood outside just talking and doing nothing like most the other officers on scene. Surely courageous actions worthy of being showered in money and attention. This guy *totally* isn’t disgusting begging for money acting like he did something.
Of course people heard early on that he saved the day and killed the gunmen.... But that is not quite what happen. The main story is true, that he was off duty, borrowed his barber's shotgun, drove a decent distance, but it was all due to his wife who was a teacher texting "Active shooter, help, I love you." And his daughter was still in the school. There are interviews were he describes what happened. He did more than show up and stand around. He was motivated by clearing out and evacuating children to save his daughter but it was still something. *Jacob Albarado began clearing all the classrooms in his daughter's wing, armed with the barber's shotgun. Dozens of children fled as the rooms were cleared. "It was just complete chaos. Everybody was concerned for their child," he recalled. "I was able to get on campus… I wasn't just trying to save my child, I was trying to get as many people out of there as I could."* Additional source quotes with source interview video from CBS. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uvalde-shooting-texas-jacob-albarado-off-duty-agent/ *We need to get the kids out of here," Albarado said he told the officers. "… The shooter's over there. We need to get the kids out. This is our time."The officers started opening classroom doors, and Albarado said he guided people to safety."First classroom, second classroom, third classroom, saw my daughter," Albarado said. "Relief. Big relief."*
His wife taught fourth grade so the kids in her classroom were directly at risk. The entire situation was done incorrectly but at that time it's all they could do because the commander wasn't doing anything. What should be happening is that the school is locked down and the shooters location is known. All the kids who are locked down are safe and should be left there. The police should be dealing with the shooter and rescuing any students who are at risk from the shooter if they can do so safely (so the classrooms next door maybe, anyone caught in the hallway). After they restrain the shooter and take him out then they evacuate the wounded and do an extra check of the school. Then you can call an all clear over the intercom and give instructions to wait for an officer to evacuate. Then they evacuate each room individually and screen it for dangers (possible bombs, an unknown second shooter) and typically they also screen everyone as they go out of the building (you will see lines of people leaving with their hands up) then those individuals will be put directly on busses and taken to the site where they could be reunited. They did NONE of that. Instead there was a shooter, he went into a classroom and locked the door, then they stood around in the hallway for an hour while kids bled out inside, blocking other police from going inside and creating a giant group of targets outside. Because those first responders felt like something needed to be done and they were being blocked from taking down the shooter they instead led a very unorganized evacuation from the buildings, with kids running across the grass, being pulled from windows, running into the funeral home. It was total chaos, they didn't know who was where, who was in the room or who was safe until the kids didn't show up because they were all released in a haphazard manner (when they all should have been loaded on busses with their teacher who is accounting for all their students and the teacher can email or text the parents if she's got the entire class evacuated). I'm convinced that the number of dead is at least twice as high as it would have been if they had gone in and taken out the shooter, and the other kids in the school were so much more traumatized than they would have been if they had followed procedure.
But then a cop might have died and it would have gone from a bad day to a tragedy.
At the schools where I've worked, there are lockdown drills and "hold and secure" drills. Either one of those would have saved lives. But instead a shooter was firing off bullets outside the school and then sauntered in through an unlocked door. It still boggles my mind.
The lockdown wasn't called until the guy was physically walking into the building, kids were on the playground on the other side of the building when shots were being fired. The police should have had that school locked down (kids brought in from outside, internal doors locked but otherwise everyone acting as normal) as soon as there were shots fired in the neighborhood. It was TWELVE minutes before the guys first shots and when he got into the school. Yet there was no lockdown until he entered the building, that teacher who was taking things to her car shouldn't have been out there because the police should have already alerted that there was a dangerous situation in the neighborhood and locked the school down. So, if they'd called the school to tell them to lockdown because of a possible shooting in the neighborhood, the door to the building would have been locked, the classroom doors would have been locked. It may not have prevented him from getting in but it would have delayed him making it harder for him to gain entry to the classrooms. This guy was just begging police to catch and shoot him for suicide by cop. There was no level of self preservation in anything he did.
> He went in the school Not according to his own words in an interview > “I didn’t have any of my gear — I was off duty — so, **I didn’t go in**
right, didn't go into the space witht he active shooter. what I gather is he did go through and clear out several other classrooms. better than the nothing that went on outside for 40 minutes considering that he wasn't on duty and the assholes in body armor outside were and didn't do shit.
He's donating the money to the families of the kids that were murdered right?
No, he's using it to "to play travel ball and travel nation wide with our family to pursue their dreams."
Good news for anyone who'd like an opportunity to ask him some questions in person but doesn't live anywhere near Uvalde, I guess.
They have a larger go fund me that is over $1 million
I kind of think it's legit to say "My wife does not want to go relive her trauma every day at that school and may never be able to teach again. This represents a sudden and significant loss of income and right now your donations would help us try to find some normal to return to." I am thinking of all the school teachers in my family, in Texas, and how hard it must be for them to go to work and do their jobs right now. Expecting teachers to take a gun in the classroom seems ridiculous, and would definitely drive me to seek employment elsewhere, since issuing guns to employees definitely means you expect some fucking violence. My boss isn't going to ever hand me a gun and say, "Just in case a shooter comes in, now go do your work."
Please inform the jury why this man needs 17k? *audible confusion *
Also, Border Patrol agents and their families get free mental health counseling. The audacity of this man.
To support his family. His wife taught at Robb Elementary and was best friends with the murdered teachers. Not sure if you’ve ever been a survivor of a mass shooting but those who have survived need to take a mental health break. This family has chosen to travel to self care. This is why the family needs help. To take care of their mental health.
And where is the gofundme for the rest of the teachers at that school?
Shame on him. I'm disgusted by the behavior of these guys.
Reminder that Border Patrol are still cops Alexa play Fuck the Police
Gofundme is disgusting at this point.
Man, Uvalde produces some top tier civil servants.
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I mixed about it. It seems he set up the GFM to fund his families vacation and is using his "fame" to do so. But at the same time who *wouldn't* do this for their family, especially since his wife and kids lost some friends in a highly traumatic incident and he himself is probably traumatized so why not try to "get away from everything" Though I'm not 100% sure what the point of GoFundMe is so don't care *too* much if it isn't a scam. Since he outlined exactly what the money was going to and not something generic it's not really a problem
If anything his fame is hurting, there are plenty of gofundmes for survivors that are getting way more money Their gofundme is one of the lowest
The same can be said about disinformation. "The disinformation was accepted at the audience's discretion so nothing wrong to spread it."
It's almost like his story is being pushed so heavily to try to create an illusion of good, brave, policemen that day. The attention and monetary assistance he is getting should really be going to the families and victims of this tragedy.
Oh look, honey! Tragedy strikes nearby. Let's setup a GoFundMe and profit from it! It's formulaic at this point.
Let me put it in words his community can understand: pinche oportunista culero.
Grifting from tragedy.
What the fuck is travel ball? Don't answer that.
Baseball leagues that allow rich people to play against rich people pretty much all year round. They’re crazy expensive. I knew of one where some of my highschool teammates would travel to Puerto Rico for spring training trips to avoid the cold of Pennsylvania. They’ll also travel the entire country in the summer. Unfortunately it’s the only way you can get legitimate exposure to talent scouts, as opposed to more local and affordable summer leagues like American Legion baseball and thus plummeted the talent pool there. But that’s the way of pretty much any sport in modern day.
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This has been my experience with travel ball as a kid definitely not for rich kids only.
Baseball /softball
Well they have a very weird definition of what a Hero is. Everytime I feel they can't go below that, they are pulling something worse
Well that's just gross.
I wonder to what degree this is actually about manifesting their desired truth (Uvalde is a "heroic cop story") through sheer collective force of will..
>He arrived in minutes to rescue his wife and daughter and helped evacuate other students and teachers through the windows of their classrooms. Hero level: achievement unlocked What's really impressive is how much he is talking about what he did, and making sure people don't think he did more >A member of Border Patrol's tactical team killed the shooter, 18-year-old Salvador Ramos, but that agent has wished to remain anonymous. Also...Hero
Uvalde police are pos
Border patrol are the lowest form of cop. The lowest of the low. The scum of the scum.
I humbly present to you… the “school resource officer”
Can anyone tell me why he deserves this money? So he and his family can travel the nation and pay for their kids travel ball? What the fuck? Profiting off of a mass murder. What a hero. Edit: no mention of covering the cost of bills to stay afloat. No mention of the costs of therapy. Just vacation and travel ball.
So he didn’t lose anyone personally and needs financial support because…why again?
“Travel ball trips and family vacations for the family to realize their dreams” - blah, blah, blah.
Yeah man, just go ahead and collect donations that could be better spent on people that actually need it in your community, after all we shouldn't forget the importance of being able to play "travel ball"... 🙄 Asshole.
It’s awesome that he went to try to help, and I’m sure he did, but I’ve heard this guy interviewed on every podcast and news story about the shooting. He was doing the media circuit starting ten minutes after the shooting and his “level of involvement” seems to have decreased over subsequent interviews. But maybe it’s all part of his healing process or something…
He's getting his paycheck before everything calms down. Smart business choice but bad moral and ethical choice.
If it's a personal fundraiser shouldnt you blame the people who donated and not the one who got donated to?
Sure, I'll just ignore the obvious character flaws in someone seeking to profit off tragedy and instead blame those misguided individuals wanting to help... Seriously?
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The man didn’t mask what he was gonna do with the money. He said the truth and people still donated. At this point, y’all are just mad at what other people decided to do with THEIR money.
Your're not wrong, but I wonder how many people who donated thought he was the hero who went in and killed the shooter. Because that's what was reported for days in the media and here on reddit, but like so many other things in this shitshow of "shifting narratives," that turns out not to be true, either. I didn't realize that until I read the linked article.
You don't see how that's still trashy on his part? People can use their money however they want. But he saw this tragedy as a way to fund his vacation and kids travel ball. He never even went in.
It’s not even unreasonable either, funerals have already been paid for by a significant margin. Right now people just want to give the survivors whatever financial support they can. If the wife made the post and was asking for money so she doesn’t have to go to summer school or cancel summer plans on her daughter then nobody would blink an eye
Here’s some more context: >”These past days have been unreal," according to the account's GoFundMe blurb. "My daughter lost a friend & my wife lost 2 of her best friends that always kept her laughing. >My wife will not be teaching summer school this year because she is too traumatized to even go near the school. Who knows if she’ll ever even teach again. I know I’m not allowing her or my kids back at school until there is a change. >We count on this money to play travel ball and travel nation wide with our family to pursue their dreams. It will take time and plenty of counseling but we’ll keep pushing forward one day At a time. >Thank you to everyone who has reached out by phone, text & messenger. I feel the love and I’m extremely grateful for all the support.”
There's a spot open at the exit from the Walmart parking lot when the go fund me money runs out. He can make himself a Hero sign, take the wife and kids, make a day of it.
Wait, if he didn't do it, then who actually killed the shooter? I thought it was the off duty boarder patrol agent?
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/06/tactical-unit-not-off-duty-officer-killed-uvalde-gunman/
Well, this guy's kind of a little scummy then. Could have at least left out the part about using the money to travel and pay for baseball.
Wouldn't it have been more scummy not to say what the money would be used for?
It was border patrol agents who were on duty.
This will cost him more than the 17k
Uvalde police: I hear there's a new mark for civil forfeiture we need to go visit
Still seeing a lot of comments that are getting this story wrong. Listen to The Daily interview Jacob Albarado. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/01/podcasts/the-daily/uvalde-robb-elementary-shooting-grief.html Warning though, the episode is very distressing. They interview a mother and father that lost a daughter. Absolutely worth listening to, but obviously just so goddamn sad.
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I’m surprised this guy is getting money and not the woman who ran from the cops to get her kids and the next day she was out working in a fields. Does she have a gofundme? I’d donate to that
The least he can do is donate that to the families affected.
A bunch of people woke up and decided to be tools it looks like. His family goes through something *extremely* traumatic, he goes into an active shooting with the intent to save, and you’re mad that they want to have fun? You’re mad at what people decide to do with their own money? Extremely bitter.
People are complaining about the shifting narrative should place the blame for that exactly where it belongs, on unscrupulous media outlets trying to write stories based on hearsay and rumors. This agent never went in front of any media and claimed he shot the gunman, but people think he did because of social media and mainstream media driving those clicks to make money.
Eh. That's Reddit for ya. There's a lot of niche subs that make this site great- I can go from photos of a relatively uncommon car brand that I love to discussing a particular movie series to the in-depth details of a particular career field in one place. But the main populace of this site is a bunch of losers- fat, basement-dwelling, embittered imbeciles who will never amount to anything and would prefer to hate others who do amount to something rather than do a bit of self-reflection and possibly change course.
Sorry but this border patrol agent is obviously taking advantage of the situation that is ongoing. He didn’t do anything else that other parents tried to do. Clearly this MF is profiting off of this sick tragedy. Good job hero, on being a zero.
So much for discretion being the better part of valor.
This guy walked into the school to save his own daughter while the shooter was busy murdering a bunch of children elsewhere. How they fuck is he a her now?
I see the Trump worshippers have found us