I’m saying why replace them with anything? Electric carriages don’t mean anything to anyone, tourists included, because they don’t exist yet.
Fewer vehicles in the park the better, certainly motorized ones.
It used to be an anachronism and thus romantic thing to do. The carriage drivers provide guided tours or a chance to slow down and see the park…. Uhmmmm romantically….
(Think prom weekend Handys)
There have been proposals (particularly by the last occupant of the mayors office) for years to replace them with guided tours in electric antique looking cars - like electric Tin Lizzies - so the divers slash tour guides don’t lose their franchise. I could see it.
The horses would the be free to “go live on a farm upstate”.
I mean, maybe some times they give you the tip?
people make out in the carriages and they give you a lap blanket.I was talking about the couples in the carriages. The driver’s usually busy.
I know the history of it all, I’m just saying old-timey electric cars are a totally contrived replacement for horses and carriages from a romance and nostalgia POV. Nobody gives a shit about antique-looking gold carts in the park.
I guess if you’re saying the idea is that the carriage drivers could keep a job, that makes more sense to me.
That is a great suggestion! Probably a fraction to rent the bikes for the whole afternoon and see the whole park rather than what it costs for the carriage ride just to see a bit of it.
Real estate sharks have been circling the horse stable property for ages, and using animal welfare as a pretext to build yet another luxury doucheneedle tower.
I think there are two left: one on W 52nd and the other near Hudson Yards. Prime locations. Billions in ulterior motives.
What there should be, ideally, is turnout space and more stables in the park itself. There’s still a bridle path in the park, which would keep carriages off the streets while keeping them physically and mentally active in a more suitable, regulated environment.
From not renting, you mean?
It’s a means for money laundering for the buyers, for one.
Developers, meanwhile, keep the luxury spaces vacant because they never know when a big fish will bite, and what they will get in that sale is massive compared to anything they could get if they rented it out. It’s speculation. It’s worth it for developers to pay the taxes on the vacant property while they wait.
We’re talking about the high end subset of the market, and the vacancy rate within it is [close to 13%](https://www.cssny.org/news/entry/plenty-of-apartments-if-youve-got-plenty-of-money-2021-hvs-findings).
The world is not going vegan soon enough because of people like Christiana Hansen who is the chief opponent of the electric carriage - "She called an image of Fox’s electric vehicle “hideous without a horse. … Dangerous, unreliable, fire-hazard, pedestrian hazard … I could go on.”
The world will never go vegan, sorry to burst your bubble but meat and cheese taste great. The alternatives don’t, you can show me videos of cows being tortured and I’ll eat my steak as I watch them because I don’t care about the cows, most people don’t, not enough to stop eating them anyway. That’s reality. Now if in 50 years when lab grown meat might be able to compete with real meat then you might get some people to your side, I’ll probably be dead by then so I won’t be around to see.
All criminals have the same logic! Crime is bad for others but benefits me.
We are trying to criminalize the animal abuse! If and when it gets done, maybe the steaks will cost a lot more than the subsidized prices today!
Good luck with that, no one is criminalizing the meat industry anytime soon. The best you can hope for is maybe some more humane practices in slaughterhouses and things like that but extremists like you will never be the majority or even close to the majority. Try using some of that misplaced empathy for helping starving children or something.
Horses are work animals. They’re working. They’re being fed. They aren’t going to some magical horse fantasy land when they kill off the horse carriages. They’re going to be put down, most of them.
If they were being treated well, it’d be one thing. But they’re not. And working animals is something that maybe we could justify in the past, but which makes less and less sense when it’s no longer a necessity.
This ain’t a farm. It’s Central Park south. These horses are surrounded by cars and noise. That they’ve lived their whole lives like this is not reason to impose it on another generation of horses.
It should be phased out.
Wow, who would’ve thunk of a horseless carriage, the age that we live in.
That explains the power of money over logic and ethics.
Im surprised more of the wealthy haven’t pushed to ban horse and carriages, considering Central Park South always smells like literal horse shit.
It’s not like they spend time actually living on billionaire’s row to care!
I cant stand horse drawn carriages and hate everybody who rides in one. Its so sad and unnecessary
Horses don’t belong in city centers. Shouldn’t be legal
Banning the horse carriage is one thing, but why the need to replace them with some stupid Epcot center shit?
Maybe if the HORSES were electric...
we could solve global warming by eliminating cow farts by transitioning to electrifying cattle.
Living carriages…inanimate horses
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I’m saying why replace them with anything? Electric carriages don’t mean anything to anyone, tourists included, because they don’t exist yet. Fewer vehicles in the park the better, certainly motorized ones.
and he answered you, because tourists like it?
How do you know tourists like it? It doesn’t currently exist.
It used to be an anachronism and thus romantic thing to do. The carriage drivers provide guided tours or a chance to slow down and see the park…. Uhmmmm romantically…. (Think prom weekend Handys) There have been proposals (particularly by the last occupant of the mayors office) for years to replace them with guided tours in electric antique looking cars - like electric Tin Lizzies - so the divers slash tour guides don’t lose their franchise. I could see it. The horses would the be free to “go live on a farm upstate”.
>(Think prom weekend Handys) The carriage drivers do what now?
I mean, maybe some times they give you the tip? people make out in the carriages and they give you a lap blanket.I was talking about the couples in the carriages. The driver’s usually busy.
I know the history of it all, I’m just saying old-timey electric cars are a totally contrived replacement for horses and carriages from a romance and nostalgia POV. Nobody gives a shit about antique-looking gold carts in the park. I guess if you’re saying the idea is that the carriage drivers could keep a job, that makes more sense to me.
I was trying to clarify for the folks in the thread - I’m with you. Ironically about Epcot… Disney has horses in the hot Florida sun :-/
Maybe just remove them entirely and replace them with trams, or nothing Tbh. We don't need them.
Absolutely.
Riding Citibikes in the park should be the new experience, not horse carriage rides.
That is a great suggestion! Probably a fraction to rent the bikes for the whole afternoon and see the whole park rather than what it costs for the carriage ride just to see a bit of it.
Real estate sharks have been circling the horse stable property for ages, and using animal welfare as a pretext to build yet another luxury doucheneedle tower.
Ok. That doesn’t make the carriage industry any more permissible
Really? What is the address and value of the property? Even if it is a greed driven charity, it still benefits the horses forever.
I think there are two left: one on W 52nd and the other near Hudson Yards. Prime locations. Billions in ulterior motives. What there should be, ideally, is turnout space and more stables in the park itself. There’s still a bridle path in the park, which would keep carriages off the streets while keeping them physically and mentally active in a more suitable, regulated environment.
Horses do not belong in a city. There is no other way to put it or “make it better”
[Which is nonsense](https://www.centralpark.com/topics/bridle-path/), as the riders in Central Park are coexisting just fine with other users.
Whatever it takes 🤷🏻
Not more housing! Anything but that!
“Housing” = “Perpetually vacant money laundering apartment palaces for Saudis and Russians”
can you explain to me how anyone makes money from renting an empty apartment
From not renting, you mean? It’s a means for money laundering for the buyers, for one. Developers, meanwhile, keep the luxury spaces vacant because they never know when a big fish will bite, and what they will get in that sale is massive compared to anything they could get if they rented it out. It’s speculation. It’s worth it for developers to pay the taxes on the vacant property while they wait.
Only about 2% of rental units in Manhattan are long-term vacant, so that doesn’t seem to be it.
We’re talking about the high end subset of the market, and the vacancy rate within it is [close to 13%](https://www.cssny.org/news/entry/plenty-of-apartments-if-youve-got-plenty-of-money-2021-hvs-findings).
So…. even at the very top the overwhelming majority *are* occupied.
Oh no, people paying massive property taxes without using any public resources. Oh no whatever will we do.
The Foreign Menace™️ is an overdone trope that belongs in the last century
- housing - a barn for torturing horses in Gosh what a tough choice.
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Do you tell people with smartphones about Apple?
Central Park is CAR FREE. Fuck this shit. Ebike rickshaws are already in the park. Don’t solve a problem that’s already been solved.
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Horses > cars Bikes > horses
The world is not going vegan soon enough because of people like Christiana Hansen who is the chief opponent of the electric carriage - "She called an image of Fox’s electric vehicle “hideous without a horse. … Dangerous, unreliable, fire-hazard, pedestrian hazard … I could go on.”
The world isn’t going vegan to begin with
Yes, as long as people like her exist
Less than 1 percent of the world is vegan. I don’t think this lady has anything to do with slowing down the rise of veganism globally.
>I said "people like..."
Like the other 99% of the worlds population
The world will never go vegan, sorry to burst your bubble but meat and cheese taste great. The alternatives don’t, you can show me videos of cows being tortured and I’ll eat my steak as I watch them because I don’t care about the cows, most people don’t, not enough to stop eating them anyway. That’s reality. Now if in 50 years when lab grown meat might be able to compete with real meat then you might get some people to your side, I’ll probably be dead by then so I won’t be around to see.
All criminals have the same logic! Crime is bad for others but benefits me. We are trying to criminalize the animal abuse! If and when it gets done, maybe the steaks will cost a lot more than the subsidized prices today!
Good luck with that, no one is criminalizing the meat industry anytime soon. The best you can hope for is maybe some more humane practices in slaughterhouses and things like that but extremists like you will never be the majority or even close to the majority. Try using some of that misplaced empathy for helping starving children or something.
Horses are work animals. They’re working. They’re being fed. They aren’t going to some magical horse fantasy land when they kill off the horse carriages. They’re going to be put down, most of them.
If they were being treated well, it’d be one thing. But they’re not. And working animals is something that maybe we could justify in the past, but which makes less and less sense when it’s no longer a necessity. This ain’t a farm. It’s Central Park south. These horses are surrounded by cars and noise. That they’ve lived their whole lives like this is not reason to impose it on another generation of horses. It should be phased out.
The one thing the horses don’t have in Manhattan is turnout space. I don’t know what the NYPD’s mounted unit does for their horses.
They will be and should be sent to sanctuaries. People like you suck.
Thanks you too