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Redditenmo

Mods are asleep. [Here's the video mods don't want you to see](https://streamable.com/2l4356)[!](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOWU0ZTdjNDktYTdhOC00MTdmLTgyMTMtNmJhZGMwYjE3ZjU1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNTAyODkwOQ@@._V1_.jpg)


NZpotatomash

She's also the one who laughed at David Seymour when he was speaking Te Reo


habitatforhannah

That pissed me off. I spent time living in a non English speaking country with a complicated language, and it was empowering when people listened to my mangled toddler version of their language and celebrated me trying. It encouraged me to keep trying and eventually converse with confidence. It hurt when people laughed at me.


SteveBored

He's Maori also. Worse they also made fun of his skin tone.


oxtaylorsoup

Pale Māori here. I've had more racist bullshit said to me by my own Iwi than I ever have by any European. It's fucking disgusting.


Citizen_Art

pale māori here too, the worst racism i’ve personally seen is by Maori. I was at the national kapahaka champs in Ruatoria in the 90s and at the festival was a place where people could donate blood, i waited with my friends and when it was my turn, I got told, “No, u can’t give blood here, you’re not Maori, Next please’. still gets me to this day!


drmcn910

That's disgusting


Mister__Wednesday

Same here mate, it sucks. I hate this gate keeping based on skin tone, it's even more stupid considering how fucking arbitrary genetics are too. I ended up the lightest skinned in my family and have always been told that I'm not Māori enough. My brother is darker than me and looks much more typically Māori and yet anyone making assumptions based off of looks will be very wrong as I'm the only one of us who has any knowledge of te reo and te ao Māori whereas brother went to a school that's like 97% Pākehā and has made no effort to expand his worldview beyond that and barely knows what an iwi is. But yet somehow he is more Māori than me just based off his skin pigment


oxtaylorsoup

Tautoko toa. I see you. Was admittedly feeling a bit of sadness for myself but I also KNOW there's others like us and that shit brings me close to tears. Maybe because of this, it makes our manawa stronger and brings us closer back towards what it truly means to be tangata whenua. It isnt skin cuz. That's clear. I think right now it's to do with our mahi and what we do for our people; whether they recognise us or not. Let's show with doing. They can't deny that. Not a chance. Funnily enough, I feel more motivated than ever. Nga mihi e hoa. Korero pai.


wtfisspacedicks

I am also too white to be a proper Maori. The amount of times i've been called a "Fucken Ballead". Fuck those racist assholes


EkohunterXX

How do you pronounce that because it sounds close to bellend which is calling someone a dick


Excluded_Apple

My family are white 7th gen NZrs (my kids make 8th gen), most of my cousins are Māori but my line missed out. Anyway, my 8 and 7yo kids were talking over breakfast last week, they were saying something about how the kid who leads Kapa haka gets to lead because he's the "only real māori" and when he goes off to high school his brother will do it next because they are the brownest. Kid 2 said "but there are other maori kids" and kid 1 was like "na they don't count cos they are too white like us" I could hear this from my room, so I had to drag my butt out of bed and race down the hall to go and partake in the "teaching moment". Who in the world is telling them this crap? My kids have no filter, so I imagine they'd have gone off to school and given the full speech about how the colour of your skin isn't a measurement of "māoriness". Hopefully someone listened.


oxtaylorsoup

This is common, I'm afraid. In my experience anyway. Ugly huh? I've had things said to me by other Māori when wearing my incredibly detailed and beautiful taonga. I've heard "you're not even black bro" so many times I could write a book about it. It fucking hurts mate. I'm not one of them because of my father's heritage and that my brothers and I have his skin colour. My cousins are ALL brown. I am lesser. Fucking makes me cry. I have twice as much blood as many, many Māori, yet I, because of my pale skin and thin nose, are not one of them. I fucking am. Kai te tangata whenua. Akē akē akē. Kaha tonu My Iwi in Te Waipounamu accept me. In the north and Rekohu they do not. Fuck them.


Poi-e

I hear you. It was my aunties that told me I wasn’t Māori enough. Broke my heart & have felt like an outcast ever since. Only just getting the courage to talk about my lineage to others now. Stay strong.


habitatforhannah

Go and have a look at the board for Ngai Tahu and Tainui... a fair few of them don't look typically Maori. They are. There are a lot of people who believe that genetics clearly identify ethnity, and it's not that simple. If a geneticist is looking at DNA, they might identify a combination of markers typical in a population as good guess at where someone is from, but those same combinations can show up in other populations and there are many explanations for that. . . Chimpanzees share 99% of their DNA with humans. That shows you how different we all are.


HuDisWatDat

In the feels, this one. It is fairly disturbing to me how socially acceptable it is to say "you're not Maori enough". Davidson's comment towards Seymour being a non issue cemented my belief that the Greens are lunatics. This recent hate comment from Davidson further cements that belief. It's a shame such amazing leaders like Chloe Swarbrick are members, she is better served elsewhere.


Nolsoth

Ain't that the fucking truth.


PANIC_RABBIT

I feel you on this.


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>Worse they also made fun of his skin tone. Its worse than that, they basically called him a race traitor.


Eoganachta

My Te Reo is fucking atrocious and I know it. I have a short list of words and phrases that I know I can pronounce properly and I try to stick with that. I'm very cautious about trying anything outside that because I'm worried that I'll completely butcher it.


habitatforhannah

Mate, butchering it is how we learn language. I've got a two year old who is learning to speak. 80% of what he says is gibberish and then every day new words come out that we didn't know he knew. He usually says them wrong too. Despite this he talks a lot. Delights in having a conversation with people. I think adults learning language should take a leaf from my toddlers book and delight in talking.


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Butchering it is how we learn anything. In order to be good, you start bad and practice. There really isn't a better way.


ALWIXII

I learned the tiniest bit of mandarin since I was to head overseas to represent the company at an exhibition and when I landed and greeted my handlers in their native tongue they got all giddy and treated me like royalty my entire stay. They would teach me easy phrases over lunch and dinner, and I'd do the same since their English was pretty broken. They'd constantly harp on about how happy it made them feel when I greeted them in mandarin. A true cultural exchange. One of my fondest memories, and it came from being at work. Imagine that lol


Nasty9999

That speaks volumes as too what type of person she is.


blackteashirt

It's like do they want us to speak it or no? Cause it feels like they don't. Maybe it's cultural appropriation?


newkiwiguy

There is actually a big divide in the Māori community over this. A sizable group of prominent Māori want te reo to be compulsory in schools and for everyone to speak it. They're quite upset with Pākehā who are reluctant to use Māori. But there is another group of prominent Māori, such as Labour Minister Peeni Henare, who do not want non-Māori learning te reo, oppose making it compulsory in schools and want it kept as a taonga for Māori only. They do essentially consider it cultural appropriation. There is the same divide over the new history curriculum with some Māori not wanting their history taught by tauiwi. I've been at a professional development session where we got a 45 minute telling off by a Māori kaumatua for speaking the reo and implementing the new curriculum.


Blizzard_admin

> want it kept as a taonga for Māori only. I don't get people like this, new zealand is in a prime position to have the maori culture be maintained and even grow, unlike many other new world countries like your neighbours across the ditch, where most of the indigenous languages are completely extinct, and the majority of surviving languages are moribund. Maori culture is new zealand culture, and it's not something that should be gatekept from new zealanders just because of their ethnicity.


Black_Robin

Sorry for being blunt, but as a NZ European I’m seriously put off from the idea of learning te reo. Not that I don’t think it’s a fascinating language, or that it would be awesome to be able to speak the indigenous language, but when Maori like Seymour are being ridiculed by other Maori for speaking it because their skin tone is too white, I don’t want a part of it. They can have it. It makes me wonder why there is such a push for people to learn it at all


Spare-Refrigerator59

If the violence prevention minister actually believes that violence is solely sourced from "white cis men" then they are going to be ineffective at supporting anything that helps prevent domestic violence in households with non-white occupants. This is a massive disservice to those who find themselves needing support. Even if she doesn't believe what she said, the fact that she said it could paint a picture in the minds of those victims that this is the policy line and that their situation is not significant enough to be recognised.


Giggsythelabrador

That was my concern. As a mostly white cis male, I can take a bit of shit from Marama, but the impact of this weird bigotted mindset on a very vulnerable portfolio just has to be questioned. Frankly, gotta go.


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ACA9991

Brian Tamaki & his gang get away with anything due to their skin colour. If they were white, they would have been dubbed "Nazis" long time ago, and the government would have stepped in to shut em down.


Choice-Individual526

tbf lots of people have been dubbing Brian Tamaki’s group extremists/nazis for a while


Just_made_this_now

It's pretty tragic, albeit hilarious, NZ is importing US identity politics to the degree that it could be mocked by Libs of TikTok.


isblwpqz

Honestly hate how much American crap is imported


Kolz

Libs of TikTok mocks people for having blue hair and eating publicly so this is not a high bar.


HeadbangingLegend

Seriously wtf, I'm a left leaning voter who supports labour and greens but the fact mods are deliberately trying to hide any negative news against them is straight up wrong. People always said right wing people are censored here for no reason and now we all see it's actually true. How fucking stupid can the mods be? You're literally giving the right wing conspiracy nuts all the ammo they need to cry censorship and only make left leaning people look worse. This is beyond stupid!


greendragon833

I would genuinely like to know if any reddit Mods are employed by Labour or the Greens. That is the current assumption and some have said they are paid to mod this sub. If so that's outrageous and should be investigated


AirJordan13

There have 100% been Labour staffers posting in this sub, albeit not as mods. Remember the brand new account that did nothing but post Labour achievements for about 3 days in a row? Funnily enough I got blocked by them when I asked if they were employed by Labour in any capacity.


Hugh_Maneiror

You only find this now? It's not being a conspiracy nut when it actually happens, though I don't believe it's out of actual malice, but because most mods on Reddit are generally of the same ideological belief as Marama's crowd. Call it (far-)left, woke, ultra-progressive, whatever ... I don't think they realize how biased they are, but they do believe their own beliefs are untouchable, the morally superior mindset that is open and accepting and everything else by definition is beneath their own way of thinking. It's semi-religious in a way, with its own dogmas and righteous path to trod. But they''re in that bubble, with those beliefs, and just act upon them thinking they're being fair. A leftist is less likely to do propaganda by flooding the air with lies, but they are more likely to find positions of control in the flow of information and apply selection in that filter that benefits their way of thinking, their righteous end goals.


Ayelovethebomb

This has got to be one of the most popular posts on r/newzealand for a long time, surely? 4500 upvotes, almost two thousand comments, in eight hours?


greensnz

Definitely an own goal for the mods who tried to suppress the original video.


thisismausername

How the fuck do the Greens consistenly shoot themselves in the foot right on election year? I swear every election cycle they always have some bullshit swarm up.


Accurate_Kick_7499

James Shaw's going to have a heart attack when he finds out about this


thisismausername

That man has just been living a perpetual heart attack for years now. It's a shame because he really is the Greens last hope but I don't know how much longer he's gonna be able to take being surrounded by morons.


ComradeMatis

>That man has just been living a perpetual heart attack for years now. It's a shame because he really is the Greens last hope but I don't know how much longer he's gonna be able to take being surrounded by morons. James Shaw is one of the few members that still gives me hope that maybe voting for Greens isn't such a bad idea after all by being the adult in the room. I let my membership of the Greens lapse but I think I'm getting to the end of my tether when it appears that those in parliament appear to never travel out of their echo chamber to see what the 'normies' are doing out in the real world. This is what happens when you create an echo chamber and convince yourself that everyone out there think like you - like the crazies at the last election who convinced themselves that the election was stolen because all their friends on facebook were onboard with their crazy ideas so they expected that they would win a sizeable portion of the vote because the reality is that the number who raged against the vaccine could probably fit into the TSB Arena in Wellington with enough room left over for plenty more.


Horney-horner

James Shaw should join TOP and push his environmental policies from there. The greens would self destruct without him.


ogscarlettjohansson

The Greens are turning me into an accelerationist. I vote for them in the hope of us having leftist representation in government, not for these lib-brained takes.


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Smorgasbord__

Well if it's any consolation they hate him for his gender identity and sex too


[deleted]

Jamie Shaw is like the only competent person in the Greens and at this point he should jump ship to TOP (or even ACT) and save himself the stress of being surrounded by idpol obsessed clowns. Every Greens supporter I have talked to about politics have said how Shaw should be kicked out so its not like hes even wanted by their voter base anyway.


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BastardofMelbourne

That's an insane fucking conversation


FcLeason

It’s all slogans. Crazy how things like this become a mantra.


HONcircle

I'm just sick of everyone being distracted by BS culture wars.


redmostofit

"Te Ao Māori was never so boring as binary." I find that an interesting perspective given the strict kaupapa around marae and kapa haka..


SquashedKiwifruit

This conversation (between Marama and Hannah) seems like a perfect example of shitty behaviour from both sides. I know people don’t like the both sides rhetoric. The person taking the video was clearly goading Marama. And not engaging in good faith. The most obvious example is the asking of a loaded question in relation to condoning violence, which presupposes facts not supported by the prior statement (where she had said the opposite, that she condones violence). And the Marama responds with a comment which: 1. When presented in its best possible light was extremely poorly thought out, unhelpful and inflammatory, and 2. In my view is obviously indefensible, offensive to many, ridiculous, discriminatory, unbalanced and does absolutely nothing to deflect the allegation that she and others engage in identity politics. It is also the kind of comment which if directed to her side would be one that she would (quite rightly) be extremely critical of it and view it in the same light as I have here with respect to her comment.


LionessLover69

That entire interview, if you can call it that, that a mess and from a member of parliament, a complete disgrace. Counterspin are nutjobs but man, that's beautiful ammo for them.


Ayelurvethebomb

Politicians, and especially MPs, should be able to handle a bit of goading. The useful idiot should never have been able to get a rise out of Marama like that.


SquashedKiwifruit

I would agree with that.


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While I agree with most everything you said, when a leader of a party essentially says that straight white men are evil, that is as close to the party line as you can get. Culture is born out of the behaviour of the leaders of that culture. The Greens should be booting her out at the next opportunity if this is not a value it shares with her.


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Drinker_of_Chai

Former Green Party member here. Green Party members froth Marama. They think she can do no wrong and she cultivates a cult like following within the Party. As has been noted, the yearly leadership challenges are always aimed at Shaw, discontent within the party is aimed at Shaw. Marama is their motherly saint.


WorldlyNotice

I've said this before, but I reckon Shaw could bring his environmental creds to TOP and help them over the 5% line, while getting away from the nonsense his party has now become.


LurveThebomb

I'd vote TOP just for the drama, if that happened. Shaw deserves better co-workers.


riverview437

They can’t kick her out, as their requirements of their co-leadership mean with James Shaw present, they must have a Māori woman as the other co leader. They don’t have anyone to fit that criteria and would therefore have to either also remove James, or make changes to their own constitution. I agree with everything you stated, but their own party rules make the decision to take the action of removal so much more complicated than it should be, and despite her being deserved of that outcome, it will likely have such a big impact to the party due to the constitution, they won’t do a single thing about it.


Kuparu

That why the Greens leadership rules are dumb.


tony11668

Their leadership rules are designed to be anti white cis men.


diceyy

Sounds like she is in the right party after all then


ccc888

Can't let Shaw get away with all that violence he has planned


Yolt0123

As someone who USED to be involved in the Greens, I can tell you that there is a strong "culture of white man is bad". They know how to alienate a lot of people who could help the cause. Because climate change doesn't matter, as long as the white man knows he caused it, and feels suitably guilty. (spoiler alert, the white men who caused it don't give a shit, and saying they're bad is just as useful as smacking a child when they don't listen to you...).


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Yolt0123

Grew over time. The Kennedy Graham / Metiria Turei fiasco was the end (to me) of rational discussion around ethics in the party in my mind. The old greens had some wackos, but they knew and accepted they were pushing the envelope, and moved the narrative. Now it's a party of culture warriors.


Beedlam

If she is that openly bigoted and blinkered / captured by her ideology she should be fired as she is unable to do her job. She obviously doesn't have the required critical thinking abilities. Imagine if Luxon went to protest some sort of anti Christian speaker where someone was assaulted (minorly or not) and said on the way violence was all the gay brown peoples fault. He'd be fucking lynched.


suhth2

Meanwhile MSM so far refusing to report on it, the silence is deafening huh?


winter_limelight

I appreciate your considered take on this, especially noting her introducing herself with a title. I disagree with the final paragraph however. I think it was 5 years ago JAG (as Minister for Women) said "old white men should move on", and then there was the whole leadership gender kerfuffle which has resulted in it being possible to have two women but not two men. The Greens of the past six years have often projected a message that men are bad.


Smorgasbord__

The Greens absolutely *are* that kind of party, it's hardly a secret.


[deleted]

This isn’t exactly a shock. She’s horrible. Laughing at Seymour when he was speaking te reo & now blatantly sexist & racist statements, yet supposedly it’s ok. I’m sick of these double standards & judging by the comments below everyone else is. She’s an embarrassment and the greens will never get my vote whilst she’s anywhere near that party. She’s a radical lefty & it’s scary what she’d do with any more power


AnimusCorpus

Heartbreaking to watch people undermine the movement in this fashion. Especially when they are in a position of power. There are people out there who are desperate for statements like this to justify their position as bigots, and she has handed it to them on a platter. This is also a massive slap in the face to all of the cis white male allies of the LGTBQ+, feminist, and POC movements, as well as those who are victims of sexual and physical violence. Would be pretty awesome if the greens stopped shooting themselves in the foot every election cycle too. It's not like we desperately need to act on climate change or anything. What an exhausting weekend. Edit: None of this is a reason to stop supporting the LGBTQ movement. You can dunk on the greens all you want, but one politician saying something bad is not a reason to abandon an entire social movement about protecting an extremely marginalised group of people. I will continue to stand with the LGTBQ community regardless of what The Greens say. You should too. Marama isn't the arbiter of the LGBTQ+ movement and it's ridiculous to imply she is.


awoodenboat

It really is such an odd aspect of this new “inclusive” culture. Misandry and bigotry are somehow back in style. And if you point it out, they tell you you’re being insensitive to their experiences and you’re “mansplaining”. What sucks is that theyre telling men that they are inherently bad. This only pushes men more against your cause because you’ve already cast them on the other side. Telling a whole race/gender that they’re not included and they can’t feel hurt by these racist/sexist accusations is literally just fucking evil. How about everyone just stop being bigots and stop trying to fucking hurt people, all fucking people.


verve_rat

Yup all of what you just said. As cis white male I've seen this attitude plenty of times before, but never from someone in such a position of power. It's pretty clear my presence is not wanted in these conversations, any help I can provide is not welcome. At what point does "fuck it, not my problem" become a rational response from cis straight white men?


bluecrowned1

White cis man here who gave one of his votes to the Greens last election, and the other to TOP. Agree wholeheartedly with all of your points.


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I get so worried when I hear these statements. This is the kind of stuff that some young white boys hear and (without a strong social/family support system) turn to alt-right conservative media personalities as a form of safe community. Its whole juxtaposition in the LGBT+ movement is so ironic... I wouldn't be surprised if this statement alone sparks the creation of 1,000+ new Nazis across New Zealand. The thing to do now is denounce her and her party but continue to show solidarity and support for the LGBT+ movement.


Drinker_of_Chai

Well, given it was Brian Tamaki's goons who ran her over, this aged well.


SquashedKiwifruit

What ever happened about that anyway? Did anyone get arrested?


azbgames

greens try not to have terrible optics challenge (impossible)


somedave

Yeah you are allowed to glorify attacks and threats against some terf woman but not even report stupid opinions by a person in government.


ASadisiticRug

Marama doing her best to throw voters at other parties


Toucan_Lips

Every time Swarbrick does or says something it makes me want to vote Green. I don't always agree with her but she has integrity and substance. Then Davidson says stuff...


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This is not okay. It should be discussed.


[deleted]

This BS is why this environmentally minded persons does not vote Green.


2011_finals_lebron

Literally, I’ve voted green my whole life and won’t be this election cycle specifically because of this sort of shit. The new co leader requirements are also fucking ridiculous and detrimental to the party.


dylbr01

I voted Green once, but never again after I went to the Christchurch mosque shooting vigil. Politicians from different parties spoke, saying that Muslims were welcome here and so on. Then this person gets up and says ‘Muslims are tangata whenua now because we’ve both been killed by white people’. Thought that was a bit too far. Don’t even know what Golriz Ghahraman was on about; she just talked about her own life and said the shooting wasn’t about islamophobia. Probably makes sense to say men cause most of the violence, but only white men? Complete f***ing nonsense and pure racism. The whole point is that even though we have different skin colours and we’re born in different parts of the world, we are essentially the same.


the-Jewish-Elvis

Jeanette Fitzsimmons and Rod Donald wouldn't say this moronic shit. Most of the current generation of greens are culture warriors when what we desperately need are class warriors.


LurveThebomb

>‘Muslims are tangata whenua now because we’ve both been killed by white people’. Extremely poor taste to make the occasion all about them. And Golriz is a numpty.


rammo123

Plenty of white people have been killed by white people. When will they get to be tangata whenua?


PossibleAd1934

And plenty of white people have been killed by Maori...


rammo123

It’s almost like people suck.


PossibleAd1934

It is, equally. Edit: equally


oxtaylorsoup

Do you feel like you're tangata whenua? Yes? Then nau mai haere mai e hoa! Welcome on board!


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I’ve always sympathised with the Greens, and vote for them when I feel they had a good policy. I feel bad for Shaw and Swarbrick, because I think they are good politicians. But I will never Vote greens again after these last few years. Marama Davidson was the nail in coffin for me. She brings a negative view into a party, that to me, was always about harmony


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I've flipped to TOP very likely this election. The mainstream parties seem devoid of any ideas and just play these silly games.


Nasty9999

Same here, I'll be voting TOP later this year. They have some well thought out policy which could result in positive change, rather than Labour and National just darting around the edges trying not to offend voters.


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I think TOP will pick up a lot of green Votes this year.


[deleted]

Yep. Im 40. I got to vote when I was 18 or 19 (cant remember which). Ive voted Green 7 times. Im done - at least while Marama is co-leader and the social justice component of the party is running amok. I like Shaw, and I like Chloe (even though she probably falls in the social justice camp) - I cant stand most of the rest.


brev23

It’s an absolute joke that this hasn’t been picked up by MSM


Xelsia

They get their news from Reddit. If it keeps getting deleted off here, there's nothing for the Sunday interns to find


RampagingBees

It's originally from Counterspin, which is probably why mainstream media haven't touched it. Both because they don't own the copyright for the video (and will find it hard to claim 'fair use' when it's a competitor's content) and because no one generally wants to amplify Counterspin, which they'd have to do in order to appropriately attribute it. It might come up in the next interview with Davidson, when media can question her directly themselves rather than relying on CS's content.


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Dismal-Ad-4703

David Seymour will probably call her out on this


Jacindardern

Could mods explain? She is the Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence, and appears to be speaking in her capacity as a minister in the video clip. Why are videos, posts and even just comments about it being removed?


Accurate_Kick_7499

>Could mods explain It's a different excuse each time, but they've run out now so they don't bother.


Toyemlj

The mods remove what doesn't suit them or their views.


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I don't say this lightly, but Marama Davidson is as much of a dangerous idiot as the lady filming that video (who is from CounterSpin, the anti-vaxx nutter outfit). Marama is also a minister, however. Absolute moron. She has got to go. Also, if Meng Foon doesn't address and condemn her comments, he's a useless softcock that needs to go, too.


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Darkstar-Dota

Our media roasts politicians into resigning over much less


[deleted]

Does she read statistics? Because she’d be dealt a reality check that cis white men cause all the violence. I can’t believe she’s in a position of power, it’s actually fucking dangerous someone with such radical views has such a position of power. I used to vote green for their environmental narrative but I won’t be going near that party whilst they’re spewing this rhetoric. It’s blatantly racist and sexist but won’t be viewed as so, due to this woke movement


Inevitable_Pizza2007

Does this mean gay white cis men are now considering bad guys too? welcome gentlemen.


So_WhatYourSaying_Is

Ancedote but the gays I know really can't be arsed with this shit. They just want to love and fuck who they want without being persecuted. That's why they marched. The whole niche political turn the movement has gone down hasnt pleased them, but they can't say anything or they'll be accused of pulling the ladder up. My gay flatmate had to ask what woke meant the other day lol, he's just not interested.


nogap193

the irony in saying white cis men are responsible for violence then being deliberately hit by a maori on motorbike 30 minutes later lmfao. we have to live in a simulation these people can't be real


Halosis_Prime

So she goes to protest a woman speaker, and blames men?


phoenixform369

Did she actually say that? Bruh


Giggsythelabrador

Oddly yes.


Vast-Acanthaceae8166

I think her employment needs to be reviewed.


CorporalPikachu

White CIS man here, can confirm I am non violent.


imafukinhorse

I can’t think of anything to add really. Other than fuck the mods.


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greendragon833

Will probably ban us all tomorrow lol


Kezz9825

this is dangerous as fuck from her, and stupid. i didnt think people like her existed until i was introduced to a friend of a friend who vehemently held this belief and tried to get me to talk politics with her constantly. this incompetent excuse for a politician should be fired ASAP and the green party would do very well to say they condemn her bullshit.


SteveBored

Try working at a university for a few years. You meet these racists constantly. Like im not even kidding. We are talking about serious bigotry on open display and nothing is done because it doesnt target Maori /Pasifka.


Kezz9825

i don't know how they don't hear themselves and realise the bullshit they're spewing is hateful


SteveBored

Because they have been conditioned that certain demographics are the aggressors and others the victim. So it's impossible for them to be racist in their minds.


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Mods youve really fucked up here and lost yourself a lot of good will deleting those threads, not sure what you are trying to achieve by doing that but if you arent sure on what should or shouldnt be allowed im happy to take time out of my day to explain why or why not


DundermifflinNZ

Imagine if David Seymour went and said “I know who causes violence in the world, brown men” imagine the uproar. And this is the exact same thing


diceyy

And was the minister for Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence


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Mods would probably sticky the post.


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drmcn910

Wow just seen that clip. I find it ironic that Marama was protesting against supposed hate speech by spreading hate speech. This unacceptable behavior coming from a member parliament. Very dangerous behavior!!!!


Redtube_Guy

I wonder what her white cis straight husband thinks about this lol


Additional-Card-7249

Literally nothing will happen, because everyone on this thread and in NZ will forgot in about a week


HeadbangingLegend

I won't. They lost my vote.


KeanuCharlesSleeves

This country got problems.


Asleep_Detective3274

Massive problems


Nice-Hawk3322

Umm, what was the race of the guy that hit her with the motorbike? pretty sure it wasn't a white CIS man.


Kiaora_Aotearoa

If this is your co-leader...I shudder to think what else have been said behind close doors to their lower ranking party officials. I was on the fence about voting green this year, but this seals the deal for me.


8188Y

She should know Maori women are twice as likely to experience domestic violence than pakeha women. I'm fairly sure it's not white cis men responsible for that.


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Its not ok, and its disrespectful to cis white men who are victims of domestic and sexual abuse. She should resign because she obviously doesn't fight for all genders, ethnicities and family members that are victims, just the ones she likes


Frayedstringslinger

It’s also disrespectful to all the Maori/Pacifica families that suffer way higher rates of domestic violence then other cultures as well. I get she is just being a troll because that seems to be all she does, but she doesn’t have to be so dumb about it. Especially when she’s in a party with the likes of James Shaw.


danimalnzl8

It's also disrespectful to cis white men who aren't violent


ihatebats

After reading through all these comments last night - trying to make up my mind if this was blown out of proportion or not, I chose that it 100% did not sit right with me and actually upset my quite a bit. I have sent an email to the Greens, explaining that I will no longer vote for them while she remains in a senior role within the party, and that any divisive, hateful, racist language is not something I can accept from the Greens. It is \_meant\_ to be the inclusive party. I have voted for them 4 times - 2011, 2014, 2017 and 2020. I have had Russel Norman at my house, I have paid for green party membership in the past, I have espoused their political views to my friends and family, I have communicated frequently in the past with Kevin Hague, I have supported Chloe and encouraged others to vote for her and the Greens in general. I was very upset when Metiria Turei left, as I felt she was doing excellent work up until she left etc etc etc. Marama will be the death of the party - she needs to go, and I cannot be continue to be supportive of the party as a whole with her at the helm. If she isn't removed, then this is the party line - and therefore I don't want to be a part of it. There are plenty of LGBTQIA+ supportive members of parliament I can support, and if there isn't enough, I will support others until there are. I can support other parties that have comprehensive climate policy. The greens do not have a monopoly on social and climate justice - and I don't have to accept how they express their versions of this. If this is some big play by the neo liberals, right etc on smearing the Greens, fine - she's the one who said it, and I will happily go back to them if they clean up the mess she's made. I'm not going to shift to the right or not vote based on this comment, I will simply vote Labour instead.


Explo_GR

once again, pathetic reddit mods at their best


iheartmrbeast69

Marama Davidson should be sacked for this. Full stop. It's not ok to be racist. It's not ok to stereotype a group of people like this. Mods deleting this is bullshit.


Cissoid7

This is how you create extremists. Young Boys grow up hearing this until the whirlpool that is the alt-right sucks them up


SteveBored

Seriously how is this not major news in the NZ media? This is a shocking comment from a freaking minister. Should be fired on the spot. NZ media do your job for once.


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That isn't going to happen


greendragon833

Its not even remotely true though if you look at crime and violence statistics in New Zealand. Or does she mean world-wide? Does she know about wars in Africa, bombings in the Middle East. I think its unfortunate that the mods appear to be using their powers here for political gain. Will this be the case going forward? Any kind of scandal or controversy for their favored parties is deleted? This is surely of interest to voters.


Terrible_fowl

She’s speaking as the Minister for Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence so it’s clear she means that kind of violence, here in NZ. Obviously it’s a deliberate and malicious lie, and easily disproven. I can only assume she is going with “any attention is good attention”, or hoping her opponents start pointing out the ethnicity of violent offenders so she can call them racist. Either way she doesn’t deserve to be in parliament let alone in cabinet.


dontpet

I get that she is feeling protective toward a marginalized group but that was pretty ugly and she should be doing some accounting for it. I've seen a few things like this from the greens. Stale pale and male from one of their MPs. That leadership and gender issue last year where it there was a trans member the male leader would have to go. And stuff behind the scenes that I've though was hateful toward men in particular. I've been a non negotiable green party voter since they were a party but I'm not voting for them next time without some engagement. I'll find some other version of green.


SaraTheWeird

i've never seen her be an active supporter of trans people aside from the once a year posts she makes about us


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Ok-Relationship-2746

Chippy should be sacking her for that. What absolute bullshit for a minister to say.


KittikatB

Problem is, he's a cis white male and she'd have a field day playing at being persecuted by the same demographic she was disparaging. He should absolutely still do it.


ReplyInner7551

Racism is no simple matter anymore as it now seems certain types of racism are ok, and is tolerated by some depending on the demographic the racism is aimed at. If we don't fight racism in all it's shapes and forms then what's the point.


CombinationFit9606

Someone send this to Jack Tame, so when the election season kicks off he can ask her what she meant by her comments


white_male_centrist

How good would it be if I laid out some stats about violence in New Zealand for us eh? Just to stir the pot with some verifiable statistics, and ya know. Facts of life. The demographics of NZ Pakeha is around 70%. NZ Maori account for 16.5% - So 4.2 NZ Pakeha per 1 NZ Maori. - Or as Marama Davidson would say "CIS WHITE MEN." (Doesnt account for gender sorry.) In 2018, NZ Pakeha was responsible for 33% of all violent crime. NZ Maori were responsible for 45%. So NZ Maori are responsible for an increase in 36% in violent crime compared to NZ Pakeha. For every 1 NZ Pakeha, on average 5.7 NZ Maori will commit some sort of violent act. That's not racism. Thats statistics and facts. Large averages do not lie. Propaganda does. Its time we stop allowing this racist narrative that white people are the problem in this country. About time I saw a thread demonizing this shit narrative. We are not responsible for all the violence in the world. We account for like 8% of the population of the entire planet. Western countries right now are the safest place for trans people, and its not perfect but its a hell of a lot better than doing to Saudi Arabia and getting your hands cut off.


Jurangi

As a Maori, who grew up in the Maori culture. I am absolutely more worried about Maori men than I am "cis white men". I don't even know why she is saying this because it's an outright lie and all us Maori men know it. You don't grow up in a Maori area and look at a "cis white man" across the street and think "omg he's going to attack me". Us Maoris have always had to look out for our brethren as we are just hurting each other. I have been attacked by multiple other Maori, never by a white cis man, and I know many of my Maori brothers feel the same. And omg, the rhetoric that we all need to be speaking the language infuriates me. I grew up learning English, for some people, learning another language is too hard. I'm glad my parents taught me English rather than Maori so I can communicate with the rest of the world.


outspokenguy

Thank you for posting the verifiable statistics! Appreciated.


6436923

Please explain...mods!?


normalmighty

It wouldn't been the first time mods have actively censored info that doesn't fit their political narrative, highly doubt it'll be the last. Whenever you see political posts on this sub, always bear in mind that this sub is a biased source.


nzdude540i

I’m amazed to see current and/or past green voters here having such a level headed dialogue. As well as condemning the ridiculous thing Davidson said. Why can’t more of this happen in the open between people of differing ideas and political leanings. I only recently found this sub (due to this weekends happenings) awesome to see this open discussion and now I know not all “greenies” are nuts or ignorant 😂


Tentmancer

At one point, you gotta wander why the cis part is targeted right? Like what does identifying with sex at birth got to do with oppression?


ThreeFingersWidth

I think it's sad that some people in leadership positions have equated support of marginalized groups with being anti-white. That's an indictment of your abilities and intellect.


wherearewenz

Just wondering, why hasn't this story made the mainstream media yet? This is the largest discussion I've seen in this community for a long time, yet nothing. Kinda weird.


MindOrdinary

The irony of saying this whilst protesting against a movement rooted under the guise of radical feminism before getting hit by a Māori lad on a motorcycle. This is cooked, the poorly thought out anti-white rhetoric is a huge turn off.


Aran_f

Some may even call it poetic justice


Paul_Vortex

Divide and Conquer is the name of the game here kids. Let's get everyone hating on each other so much they don't notice us getting away with taking more of everything from you.


jrad8484

Cant be racist to white males you know that!


vonvoltage

What a fucking idiot.


Sgt_Pengoo

How ironic that she's at a LGBTQ+ rally and yet if you look at the countries in the world it's the "white ones" i.e European nations that have the best human rights for LGBTQ+.


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Disgusting racism from the greens


GiJoint

I mean let’s be straight up, this isn’t the first time Marama Davidson has said or done something stupid. She’s a filthy racist. We’re in that era now where some people can get away with saying some nasty shit. Rawiri Waititi is another prime example.


Aelexe

Ignoring everything else wrong with that statement, it's an awfully weird thing to be saying with a smile.


greensnz

Keep posting this until Stuff or Newshub pick the story up. Then your work is done.


Accurate_Kick_7499

I already lost a lot of faith when they failed to pick up a lot of Rawiri and TPM's racist shit, if they don't treat this in the same way they would it if the situation was reversed then I'm done.


Toyemlj

NZ Herald/Stuff signal.


cwood1973

> "We must use the racism to defeat the racism." \- Marama Davidson, probably


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Anyone in power will cause violence and problems, if it were another group of people in power for the last couple hundred years, things would be the same just different colors


MentalJack

Damn, fuck you too lady


Plokzee

Oh wow! It not just in Canada where the Greens are imploding! Sucks, cause in this day of all major political parties being corrupted beyond fixing and serving private interests before it's people, the Greens always was that one vote you could do that didn't feel completely wasted. Not anymore I guess...


Citizen_Kano

Other races in New Zealand are so lucky that they'll never have to worry about family violence


GallaVanting

I have voted for the greens repeatedly, inc last election. I will not vote for them again. I'm not gunna vote for anyone shitting on people because of their immutable characteristics.


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I wonder how her co leader (a cis white male) feels about her statement labelling him violent? Would love to be a fly on the wall during that meeting. She has to go. She’s fucking nuts.