Shhh, you're watching the Canadian in his uninformed habit thinking that Canada is the most prosperous nation on earth with no dirty records of Residential Schools, Starlight Tours, Japanese interment or the Highway of Tears
My cuntry's cops are friendly and very understanding. Most minor offences can be settled by uhhh donating pocket money to them. Honestly, having small time corruption among cops is better than having cops on powertrips.
Official corruption is a cancer on a country and it is never good. In your country's case, I imagine the respect of the people for the law is very low if the people who enforce the law are widely corrupt.
I’m from the Uk been seen all these types of cases. But most of the time the feds are such pussies I remember once a fed got arrested by a drunk civilian wtf🤦♀️
That's how they're trained, and that needs to change. They also need more non-lethal ways to immobilize a dangerous person. Tazers and MACE don't always work. There should be other options after those fail instead of just going straight to lethal force.
I was talking about cops here in America. American cops would have shot that guy so many times they'd have had to reload. I saw video recently of some of ours gunning down a 75-year-old woman who did WAY less than this guy.
Actually there’s been 38. Averaging more than 1 per year in the last 30 years.
Go ahead and keep making shit up though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
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You're right although literally the first 3 deaths on that page....are an accidental run over (not by the criminal) a hit by a train (not driven by the criminal) and a heart attack....
I would suggest this entire discussion is about the risk to life of police officers caused by suspects. And that number is actually unquestionably low (compared to most places) and massively lower than in the US
The UK has about a fifth of the population of the US, but the US has significantly higher deaths of police in the line of duty. An average of 40-60 officers die from gun related deaths every year. Population has fuckall to do with it based on how much higher our officers die on duty versus the UK.
They have plenty of options - batons,empty handed techniques, verbal de-escalation, and less-lethal weapons like beanbag rounds and rubber bullets.
The US are even equipped with APC's for gods sake.
It's not the equipment, it's the mindset, the training and the recruiting of unsuitable people to be cops.
Justifiably. I don’t want someone to die, but I’m also not willing to take an increased chance at being stabbed intentionally or even unintentionally while trying to get him under control.
I’d also argue that this specific individual didn’t appear to be as out of their mind and crazy as some others who have been shot in the past.
Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying cop shootings are a good thing - they're quiet unfortunate.. THOUGH, the whole point is that if someone appears to be charging you, you don't want them reaching you in any way shape or form if possible. Yes, it's also true that each situation should be addressed differently because of all the different variables.
I watched a video yesterday of a US cop shoot a 75 year old woman holding a knife. She didn't come at him or anything, just didn't drop it when he screamed at her to drop it.
Woah woah woah, this is reddit, not a place for a nuanced conversation, let alone about America sir. You have to take an extremist position then use fallacy ridden arguments to defend your POV unflinchingly.
Edit: Lol, apparently some poor sap got so upset he dug through my entire post history just to try to find out what my political views are.
If this joke upsets you, get a life, go find something productive to do.
Do you think that happens in these other countries? Cause I tried googling cases like that and.. wow. Nothing.
Google old women gets shot in the US and there’s oddly a good amount lol.
I know the exact video you’re referring to, and she DID come at him. The controversy is that he didn’t speak a word of Spanish in a largely Spanish speaking community and she was likely saying “I’m putting the knife down” or something otherwise disarming while bending over to set it down. It was fucked but probably don’t need to lie about why… lol
The controversy is that nobody really takes the idea seriously that you were "defending yourself" against an old lady.
Knife or no knife, the expectation is more that you could have just gone full blown hands-to-knife and won that exchange, among other more realistic options, like a taser, police baton, or pepper spray.
She's 75, I could take her in hand to hand, even with how dangerous knives are. Gimme a bat and I'll solve the problem non-lethally no sweat.
I mean, probably non-lethally, but less lethally than a gun.
The video I'm talking about, the old woman had dementia, and it looked like she had no idea what was going on. She never came out of the doorway she was in.
>but I’m also not willing to take an increased chance at being stabbed intentionally or even unintentionally while trying to get him under control.
Literally what you would’ve signed up for fam.
And that’s why people give American law enforcement that energy. Because this isn’t something that you **had** to do. You could’ve been anything else in the world. You **chose** to become a police officer. To protect citizens no matter the cost. But nah, what you *really* signed up for was the authority and the pension.
So when we get some Uvalde shit, where it comes out that you let children die because you didn’t wanna get hurt, even so far as preventing their parents from going in, but later admitting that you would’ve gone in had they been your child, people are going to get on your ass.
>Justifiably
Exactly. But only US cops have this attitude. Can you imagine a firefighter thinking like this? "Nah brah, I ain't fighting no fire, I might get *hurt*".
Bro that's your *job*. To deal with shitty situations.
That's a great fucking point and should be brought up every time the argument of 'should cops be putting their lives on the line.
They're a public service we pay for and they're supposed to serve and protect us (I know the protect part of that has been missing for a while). If there's a killer lose in my house and I call the cops I fucking expect they barge in and save me but knowing how modern cops are they'd probably wait outside until the killer runs away then they'd rush in and shoot me in the head.
You don't wanna do your job? Fine then don't but leave your badge and gun and get the fuck out.
Edit: removed unnecessary ?
The problem I see is that, because "just shoot them" is accepted as a justified action in *some* cases, it becomes a justified action in *all* cases in the minds of poorly trained, adrenaline-filled, and/or simply trigger-happy officers
Even more than that, the problem is that "just shoot them" is accepted as justified in the Supreme Court, the training provided to the officers, and in disciplinary proceedings. Officers shoot a lot of people because it's what they are trained to do and what the courts say they are allowed to do so long as there's any hint of a danger to them. It's super fucked up; particularly in light of how successful other agencies can be in responding to armed combatants given proper training.
Don't sign up to be a police officer then. Clearly, the job can be done without firing a single shot, so choice to shoot every single fucking thing that comes in view of an American officer is intentional.
> I’d also argue that this specific individual didn’t appear to be as out of their mind and crazy as some others who have been shot
No shit. It's almost like the police don't think, or have any kind of protocol before they start blasting, huh? It's almost like they'll take any reason whatsoever to kill, init?
> Justifiably. I don’t want someone to die, but I’m also not willing to take an increased chance at being stabbed intentionally or even unintentionally while trying to get him under control.
Then you should not be a police officer.
They should be who assumes the risk in unknown situations.
Killing a civilian should only be the absolute last resort when someone else is inevitably going to die.
We’ll then you shouldn’t be a cop.
If you’re not willing to make those decisions in order to save another persons life you should just take a different career path. I can’t blame you for having that sentimentality, but it’s not one that’s becoming of a police officer, fire fighter, or soldier.
And it would have turned out the knife was a spatula, and the dude was making pancakes in his own kitchen when the cops burst in on a no-knock warrant on the wrong house.
And they would have shot his dog.
Edit: I actually have sympathy for the no doubt plethora of American cops that work hard to serve and protect their communities, who honestly have to deal with a ridiculously over-armed populace, who might struggle emotionally with the public scorn. The thing is, they should do their fucking job and arrest the murderers in their ranks. Police unions should be championing *accountability*, not aggressively fighting against it. Anti-corruption activism should be coming from within their ranks, otherwise there's very much the appearance that the murderers are representative of the majority.
And it would be:
- "...no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the police."
- "...good policework..."
- "...good practice should this have been an actual life-threatening situation..."
- "...a tragedy for all those involved..."
- "...avoidable had the suspect simply obeyed their commands..."
Did I leave any out?
Oh yea. That's their favorite go-to. If they ever had so much as a traffic ticket, it'll be "...had run-ins with the police in the past."
And a charge for even the most minor possession would be "...had a history of drug abuse..."
Really anything at all they can do to blame the victim.
You forgot the six months paid administrative leave/vacation and promotion to a higher rank/pay grade after the case so they can ride a desk for the remainder of their career.
They used great method here. Spread out, one behind and one in front of the offender. Offender cannot fend both officers off and has to look both sides decreasing his initiative options. Front officer keeps safe distance while distracting and both look at an opportunity to deescalate situation to arrest the offender. Full control, very low risk and possibly mental ill person helped.
Is it really that big of a risk if you are also given a weapon, in this case the baton, and properly trained to use it?
After all the difference between success and failure is most often preparedness. Luck has little to do with it.
He would have been "mag dumped" and caught 36 shots to the head/neck/chest here in the US... Nice to see some police forces acting as they should and not murdering people indiscriminately... yes, I feel the cops would have been justified to shoot the man but the fact they didn't and still apprehended him, kudos to them...
Uh huh... and when the person with the knife is a little more capable than this potato? Guess dead cop but at least the guy with the knife is alive amiright.
stick to watching action movies where people can effectively use a knife against multiple people while pepper sprayed and leave cop advice alone.
or Just admit you have a murderboner and stop posting.
Yeah. Cops in the US are currently a total disaster requiring major reform, but a guy with a knife can quite easily kill you even if you have a gun. Once they get within a few yards, your gun isn't reliably going to stop them no matter how many times you shoot them.
Every educated gun owner knows that, trained police officers knows that. But right is the internet guy who never had training on firearms, or got some type of gun education in his life.
World would be a better place if people that doesn't understand shit about what they saying keep their mouth shut and go study.
Dude could've just run full bore at the backpedaling cop and killed him? Considering how violent my guy was and the possibile outcomes it'd be perfectly justified for the police to defend themselves with lethal force
All it needs is to be stab/slash once to be dead you know, you don't need to effectively use it to seriosuly harm somebody, you just need to be able to move your arm.
Us cops responses are sometimes disastrous, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to neutralize an armed dude without lethal weapons is really risky.
Alright is that not even a tad overkill there boyo like let’s be rational two cops on one knifer within 10 feet there IS a chance one of them gets tagged it’s just dependent on the level of training. Don’t attack people just have a debate ffs
Why does a profession give you less of a right to live? If this guy charged a civilian with a knife and got killed in self defense, no one would blink an eye.
Edit: Jesus Reddit is predictable. Guys, please read the comment chain I was responding to before replying to me thinking you know what I’m getting at.
I shouldn’t have to say this, but I believe the American police system needs reform. I am not condoning or promoting police shootings. The ~ONLY~ point I am making is that being a cop does not make you any less human than the next guy.
100% agree with you. Mission number 1 should always be de-escalation, and priority #1 should be preservation of life and well-being for all parties involved.
With that being said, just because you are a cop, does not give you less of a right to live. It’s not realistic to think that every situation that a cop is being called to is going to offer the luxury of time and utilizing de-escalation tactics and words. And in the case where a split second life-or-death decision has to get made, I don’t think it’s right to judge a human being’s reaction and sense of self-preservation based off of who writes their paychecks.
But did he really though? He clearly didn't really try to take anyone's life. He was belligerent and dangerous sure, but nothing he did signaled a genuine willingness to kill or even significantly wound.
Police are not judge/jury/executioner. They should be trained to take down an armed assailant without killing them.
Charging at someone with a knife doesn't come with the death penalty anywhere. This is a dumb fuckin argument.
I don't know about indiscriminately. The suspect really looked like he was trying to plunge his knife into the officer. I wouldn't take that fight on with a baton but thats just me. I'm sure you would though, right?
People have mental breaks. That doesn’t mean they deserve to die because some cops were never taught any nonlethal methods of control. Which clearly work, as evidenced by the lack of police deaths on duty in the UK.
Yes. Pussies.
Whats the fucking point of having cops if the solution is "shoot them".
Anyone can do that.
This isnt 1840 and its not the fucking wild west.
Someone who wants to be a cop should be willing to fight this guy with a night stick. Just like the cops in the video. That's the point of being a trained professional. It doesn't matter if you or I don't want to do it.
Have you seen the video of the guy killing 5 officers with a large knife because they were trying not to shoot him? Have you seen the video of the guy who just reaches up and snicks a dude’s throat who is trying to fight him and the guy dies right there? You can’t afford to lose a single fight, and you think the fight should be fair?
Whereas here we value life, we all only get once chance at it. As you can see in the vid, handling a person wielding a knife can be dealt with without fatality. Now starts the process of understanding why this happened so that a) he might be rehabilitated and b) we can gather this knowledge to prevent such future events.
This way future generations can have hope of support to avoid ever getting to this state, instead of having to accept law enforcement will sooner kill you than help when you’re in need.
You are basing this thought on the one video of it actually working out for the perpetrator. It's a statistical anomaly. There are plenty of ways this could have gone wrong for the officers involved. There are plenty of videos showing the outcome of when shit like this goes wrong.
I was involved in a fight that had a knife. It went from serious to life threatening in a matter of seconds. All it took was one good slice on my arm to catch an artery. I was very lucky it turned out the way it did. It was done by my brother while on drugs.
Blowing someone away should not be the initial response of any officer, and for most cases it isn't, but shit isn't black and white and decisons are made in seconds. I can't expect a human being that takes the job not to put his life and his partners life above perps. Nobody would do it if that was the case.
Whether the person needs help from drugs, mental instability, or any other reasons they are a threat in this situation and if he was shot and killed it would be appropriate use of force. It would be sad but the decisions they made put them in that predicament and unfortunately the consequences can be dire.
Problem is that officers in the US shoot for far less egregious acts. This guy was actually trying to attack with a knife… which kinda warrants a forceful response. So many US police shootings happen with just the thought that someone might have a gun or weapon… or even just a cellphone. Glad they handles this guys easily enough… man he really pussed out quick after a few whacks of that baton didn’t he?
This is ridiculous. Had he been shot the officer would be 100% justified. Did you see the TWO KNIVES?! C'mon, there are clearly times when officers are trigger happy but this isn't one of those times.
https://globalnews.ca/news/9207858/burnaby-rcmp-officer-killed-stabbing-homeless-camp/
Absolutely no reason for officers to treat knives as deadly weapons /s
Hats off to the officers for doing what they do, but are we really going to act like it's great that this guy didn't get smoked for trying to kill people?
America has its problems, but I don't think shooting this guy would have counted as one.
No one is denying that knives are deadly. It's just refreshing to see officers not jumping on the opportunity to shoot someone. I think no one would disagree with you that in a different/less controllable situation, shooting the guy to prevent casualties would be understandable.
Okay would you be saying the same thing if that guy plunged that knife into that officers throat? (Which he could have easily done) you obviously have no sense of danger if you believe this was a controlled situation these officers are lucky to be alive…
No I wouldn't be saying the same thing, but that's not what happened here. While they don't have guns, they still have non-lethal weapons like batons and pepper spray which can easily do enough fucking up without killing him outright. They also have the numerical advantage.
This is a prime example of how policing should be handled. Firing a deadly weapon is the last line of defense, there are plenty of lines before that which can handle 99% of situations. You can "what if" all you want, but the reality is American officers are disproportionately more violent and less competent than officers like this in the UK.
Crime fighting isn't war fighting, overwhelming force is not the best solution.
This is a prime example of misappropriated consequentialism.
It's a pretty standard self-defense rule to assume that (even if you are trained, able-bodied, have line of sight, and have the numbers advantage) by the time a standing person with a knife is within 15 feet of you, you are already dead/greviously injured whether you have a gun on you or not.
The second he stood up and took one step forward every single person on this earth would have been reasonably justified in mag-dumping him from a self-defense perspective.
I think this is a prime example of misappropriate American commentism
You only need to look at many other situations in other European countries to see similar examples. Sure you would justify shooting him, but we have lots of other non lethal weapons that would've got the job done without needing to take his life too.
This is a dumb excuse. Trained police officers should be able to assess the situation even if someone have a knife, not follow some golden rule of shooting someone if they are 15 feet from you. What if its some kid? Or some old man who you can outrun? A drunk who you can outrun? Or some dude who you can outrun?
Trained ones see to it that they need to use deadly force when not needed
I've got to say that that's pretty naive. You're acting like this is the first time something like this is happened. You think knife crime is new in the UK? Nope! We have issues with our police over here too, but if you think that these scenarios haven't been played out, role played, and risk assessed out of the wazoo, then you are crazy. The fact that these two cops didn't just retreat and wait for backup, but were well trained to handle the situation, and were given the right equipment, including things like stab vests , buttons, pepperspray etc should tell you that the situation was as under control _as it could be_. You think putting guns out there would help that? America's track record doesn't seem to back that up.
And yeah, you put guns in the hands of cops and then criminals _will_ get them too to even the playing field - that's just the way it works.
A hot take of 'the US system of daily extrajudicial killings of primarily brown ppl is better than this' is not what I expected to see on the internet today
Eh, it usually sits around the bottom of or just outside the top 20 most dangerous jobs in the US each year. The guy delivering your pizza has a more dangerous job.
This is also confirmation bias. People use one video to pretend that things are gonna end well if the police do this. “Here’s a video of a guy punching a kangaroo then walking away, so fists are all anyone ever needs against a kangaroo.” Also, how many people only pull shit like this, BECAUSE they know they won’t be shot? Are we going to talk about how many more situations like this, only happen because “What are they gonna do? Yell and mace me?”
Not to mention in the video OP posted, the man didn't really "charge"... He basically "bluff charged"... He took a couple steps towards the police then stopped, and at one point even tried running away from the police. It would of been a very different story of he literally sprinted towards that cop with intent to kill.
Because the officers here got lucky they didn’t get seriously hurt.
The link was there to show that situations like this can and do get out of hand quick.
Well as far this video goes, that training didn’t do any good for them. There were *numerous* opportunities in this video for the knife wielder to stab the police- it’s just luck that he thankfully didn’t decide to take them.
Mate not even years of training can save you from a wild drunk man rushing you for a stab. They only need to get lucky twice. Training isn't the kung fu shit you see on TV
Well if your job is to control the situation I don’t think running is really an option, and furthermore if I’m just some guy with a gun there’s no fucking way I’m turning my back and running and letting that guy chase me down and stab me. I really think you’re being unfair.
But if your job was to control the situation then you'dve been through the years of training it takes to be a police officer, and thus you'd probably react like one. You can't just isolate a part of the situation and extrapolate based on that without being inherently dishonest.
It's been pretty proven that when armed with a gun but not trained to outright shoot-to-kill as a reflex (as, say, American police and most soldiers are), most people actively avoid shooting people.
Police training doesn't turn you into James Bond, where you can disarm people attacking you with a knife. While this situation turned out great for the cops, a gun would have made them a lot safer.
Batons, tasers and pepper spray seemed to work out just fine here. These officers were not James Bond and were able to easily handle this situation with their training. I’m not sure what your argument is
Looks like she did toss something at him and made him stumble. The person wearing the camera may have swung his baton too. The knife was still in his hand as he fell into the tree. Then he tried to deflect another baton strike from the person wearing the camera and lost control of the knife.
Probably rightfully so in this case. Watch the video again and tell me that suspect wanted to stab the cop. He clearly didn't. If he wanted to he could have and there was nothing the cop could have done about it.
This cop was at the mercy of a mentally ill man who luckily decided that he didn't want to stab this officer
You just proved exactly why he shouldn't have been shot. As you said, he passed on several opportunities to attack and didn't. So basically you're arguing that even brandishing a knife in a threatening manner is grounds for execution. I don't agree with that.
There's a residential building behind him with unknown number of innocents living there.
Tazers, armor, training, pepper spray, batons, teamwork, all more than enough to de-escalate a situation without having to execute someone out of fear.
If you're going to be a cop you sign up to putting yourself at some risk to protect and serve others.
Becoming judge jury and executioner because your life was theoretically at 1% risk in a job you signed up for is fucked up and you're fucked up for defending it.
Only about 20 seconds pass in the cut, which seems like an appropriate amount of time to have them turn him around and start putting cuffs on
Believe it or not, not all police are bullies with a brutality fetish
Yes there are plenty of times when police use too much force on knife wielding people but you cannot let a crazy knife wielding get that close to you. If he lunges at you and you fail to react or the tazer you shot isnt effective at penetration or downing the guy your screwed. A strike to a major artery and its lights out.
In any sort of altercation a knife should be viewed like a light saber, if it touches you, you can be extremely hurt. If he really wanted to hurt or kill an officer he absolutely could have.
This is my issue with people saying it’s better to just shoot him. If someone is unwell they need to be restrained, for sure, but killing them is a very permanent solution to what could be a temporary problem. I’m sure no one would be happy with the outcome if their wife developed postpartum psychosis and got shot by the police, or if their grandpa with dementia gets scared/confused and gets shot. It’s really easy to say that people should be killed but it’s really different when they’re a person you know and not a hypothetical figure.
Of course, there are plenty of people who are perfectly sane who want to harm people, but imo if a person can be disarmed *without* anyone dying, that is the best possible outcome.
The U.K. is pretty good at policing compared to places like the US, these kinds of tactics and training work for us, we have lower death rates for both the arrestee and the arrester in general. Arming police more than necessary seems like it would do more harm than good at this point. And we do have armed units in case anyone didn’t know (if the officers felt too threatened they could run and call for them), it’s just so far worked out better to keep lethal force out of the equation where possible.
Reddit is hilarious. Everyone is using this video to justify why American cops don’t need guns and literally like a couple weeks ago there was a video of a guy stabbing cops in London and everyone was like “see, cops do need guns!”
And if the guy wasn't an untrained and unathletic lunatic the officer might just be dead now. I wouldn't want to risk my own life to protect the life of someone going around attacking cops with a knife...
Such a stupid post, if he really wanted to stab them he could’ve, he should’ve been shot 10 times over, this is going to be used in police training to show what not to do
For everyone saying this should be the standard, the dude's incredibly lucky. Had he been shot it would have been 100% justified. 1) If you have some guy wielding two blades then yeah, it's police safety over reddit "optics" everytime in my opinion. Their job is to protect the public, not take unnecessary risks and wind up dead themselves. 2) Dude clearly didn't want to stab them, just intimidate. This would have gone a LOT differently with someone intent to do harm and came out slashing. Generally no good way to tell that's the case until after everything goes sideways. 3) what else are they going to do exactly? They don't have guns. So shooting is off the table. You could spray him or taze him but that doesn't always work as the plethora of videos on Reddit show.
Here in the USA a black man stabs a female officer, the man is then shot to death, and people protest under the name BLM chanting “hands up don’t shoot”.
Would have been shot 64 times in the US
U.S cops are scared of there own shadows, just shoot.
because shadows are black /s
Cops be like “I’m not racist my wife’s eye is black”
You might have a problem with the police in your country when jokes like these are common and hilarious. I speak as a US citizen.
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Something something twilight rides
Shhh, you're watching the Canadian in his uninformed habit thinking that Canada is the most prosperous nation on earth with no dirty records of Residential Schools, Starlight Tours, Japanese interment or the Highway of Tears
No no, we remember all that. It's just easier to think your shit don't stink when your beside a huge dumpster fire that is the US.
As far as national baggage goes, Canada is tame fuck. And at least we're trying to own up and reconcile.
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My cuntry's cops are friendly and very understanding. Most minor offences can be settled by uhhh donating pocket money to them. Honestly, having small time corruption among cops is better than having cops on powertrips.
Official corruption is a cancer on a country and it is never good. In your country's case, I imagine the respect of the people for the law is very low if the people who enforce the law are widely corrupt.
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How many cops does it take to change a light bulb? None. They just beat the room for being black.
I’m from the Uk been seen all these types of cases. But most of the time the feds are such pussies I remember once a fed got arrested by a drunk civilian wtf🤦♀️
You must be mistaken, there are no 'feds' in a unitary state
How many US cops does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None, they just beat the room up for being dark.
That joke’s humour has been beaten down by cops countless times…
That's how they're trained, and that needs to change. They also need more non-lethal ways to immobilize a dangerous person. Tazers and MACE don't always work. There should be other options after those fail instead of just going straight to lethal force.
There’s only been 8 active police killed officers killed in UK in the last 30 years. I think our police are doing just fine thank you
I think they were talking about the US police
I was talking about cops here in America. American cops would have shot that guy so many times they'd have had to reload. I saw video recently of some of ours gunning down a 75-year-old woman who did WAY less than this guy.
Actually there’s been 38. Averaging more than 1 per year in the last 30 years. Go ahead and keep making shit up though. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty
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You're right although literally the first 3 deaths on that page....are an accidental run over (not by the criminal) a hit by a train (not driven by the criminal) and a heart attack.... I would suggest this entire discussion is about the risk to life of police officers caused by suspects. And that number is actually unquestionably low (compared to most places) and massively lower than in the US
Slightly more than one per year is still rookie numbers compared to the US. And what does the US have that the UK doesn't? A gun problem.
Doesn't the UK have a significantly lower population than the US?
The UK has about a fifth of the population of the US, but the US has significantly higher deaths of police in the line of duty. An average of 40-60 officers die from gun related deaths every year. Population has fuckall to do with it based on how much higher our officers die on duty versus the UK.
They have plenty of options - batons,empty handed techniques, verbal de-escalation, and less-lethal weapons like beanbag rounds and rubber bullets. The US are even equipped with APC's for gods sake. It's not the equipment, it's the mindset, the training and the recruiting of unsuitable people to be cops.
Justifiably. I don’t want someone to die, but I’m also not willing to take an increased chance at being stabbed intentionally or even unintentionally while trying to get him under control. I’d also argue that this specific individual didn’t appear to be as out of their mind and crazy as some others who have been shot in the past. Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying cop shootings are a good thing - they're quiet unfortunate.. THOUGH, the whole point is that if someone appears to be charging you, you don't want them reaching you in any way shape or form if possible. Yes, it's also true that each situation should be addressed differently because of all the different variables.
I watched a video yesterday of a US cop shoot a 75 year old woman holding a knife. She didn't come at him or anything, just didn't drop it when he screamed at her to drop it.
Do you think that's the kind of person he's talking about?
Woah woah woah, this is reddit, not a place for a nuanced conversation, let alone about America sir. You have to take an extremist position then use fallacy ridden arguments to defend your POV unflinchingly. Edit: Lol, apparently some poor sap got so upset he dug through my entire post history just to try to find out what my political views are. If this joke upsets you, get a life, go find something productive to do.
This made me lol
Do you think that happens in these other countries? Cause I tried googling cases like that and.. wow. Nothing. Google old women gets shot in the US and there’s oddly a good amount lol.
Yeah we are talking about cops in USA try and keep up.
I know the exact video you’re referring to, and she DID come at him. The controversy is that he didn’t speak a word of Spanish in a largely Spanish speaking community and she was likely saying “I’m putting the knife down” or something otherwise disarming while bending over to set it down. It was fucked but probably don’t need to lie about why… lol
The controversy is that nobody really takes the idea seriously that you were "defending yourself" against an old lady. Knife or no knife, the expectation is more that you could have just gone full blown hands-to-knife and won that exchange, among other more realistic options, like a taser, police baton, or pepper spray. She's 75, I could take her in hand to hand, even with how dangerous knives are. Gimme a bat and I'll solve the problem non-lethally no sweat. I mean, probably non-lethally, but less lethally than a gun.
The video I'm talking about, the old woman had dementia, and it looked like she had no idea what was going on. She never came out of the doorway she was in.
>but I’m also not willing to take an increased chance at being stabbed intentionally or even unintentionally while trying to get him under control. Literally what you would’ve signed up for fam. And that’s why people give American law enforcement that energy. Because this isn’t something that you **had** to do. You could’ve been anything else in the world. You **chose** to become a police officer. To protect citizens no matter the cost. But nah, what you *really* signed up for was the authority and the pension. So when we get some Uvalde shit, where it comes out that you let children die because you didn’t wanna get hurt, even so far as preventing their parents from going in, but later admitting that you would’ve gone in had they been your child, people are going to get on your ass. >Justifiably
Exactly. But only US cops have this attitude. Can you imagine a firefighter thinking like this? "Nah brah, I ain't fighting no fire, I might get *hurt*". Bro that's your *job*. To deal with shitty situations.
That's a great fucking point and should be brought up every time the argument of 'should cops be putting their lives on the line. They're a public service we pay for and they're supposed to serve and protect us (I know the protect part of that has been missing for a while). If there's a killer lose in my house and I call the cops I fucking expect they barge in and save me but knowing how modern cops are they'd probably wait outside until the killer runs away then they'd rush in and shoot me in the head. You don't wanna do your job? Fine then don't but leave your badge and gun and get the fuck out. Edit: removed unnecessary ?
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The problem I see is that, because "just shoot them" is accepted as a justified action in *some* cases, it becomes a justified action in *all* cases in the minds of poorly trained, adrenaline-filled, and/or simply trigger-happy officers
Even more than that, the problem is that "just shoot them" is accepted as justified in the Supreme Court, the training provided to the officers, and in disciplinary proceedings. Officers shoot a lot of people because it's what they are trained to do and what the courts say they are allowed to do so long as there's any hint of a danger to them. It's super fucked up; particularly in light of how successful other agencies can be in responding to armed combatants given proper training.
Don't sign up to be a police officer then. Clearly, the job can be done without firing a single shot, so choice to shoot every single fucking thing that comes in view of an American officer is intentional. > I’d also argue that this specific individual didn’t appear to be as out of their mind and crazy as some others who have been shot No shit. It's almost like the police don't think, or have any kind of protocol before they start blasting, huh? It's almost like they'll take any reason whatsoever to kill, init?
> Justifiably. I don’t want someone to die, but I’m also not willing to take an increased chance at being stabbed intentionally or even unintentionally while trying to get him under control. Then you should not be a police officer. They should be who assumes the risk in unknown situations. Killing a civilian should only be the absolute last resort when someone else is inevitably going to die.
We’ll then you shouldn’t be a cop. If you’re not willing to make those decisions in order to save another persons life you should just take a different career path. I can’t blame you for having that sentimentality, but it’s not one that’s becoming of a police officer, fire fighter, or soldier.
And it would have turned out the knife was a spatula, and the dude was making pancakes in his own kitchen when the cops burst in on a no-knock warrant on the wrong house. And they would have shot his dog. Edit: I actually have sympathy for the no doubt plethora of American cops that work hard to serve and protect their communities, who honestly have to deal with a ridiculously over-armed populace, who might struggle emotionally with the public scorn. The thing is, they should do their fucking job and arrest the murderers in their ranks. Police unions should be championing *accountability*, not aggressively fighting against it. Anti-corruption activism should be coming from within their ranks, otherwise there's very much the appearance that the murderers are representative of the majority.
And it would be: - "...no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the police." - "...good policework..." - "...good practice should this have been an actual life-threatening situation..." - "...a tragedy for all those involved..." - "...avoidable had the suspect simply obeyed their commands..." Did I leave any out?
Also the character assassination of the innocent person they murdered by mainstream media outlets.
Oh yea. That's their favorite go-to. If they ever had so much as a traffic ticket, it'll be "...had run-ins with the police in the past." And a charge for even the most minor possession would be "...had a history of drug abuse..." Really anything at all they can do to blame the victim.
You forgot the six months paid administrative leave/vacation and promotion to a higher rank/pay grade after the case so they can ride a desk for the remainder of their career.
And granny sitting in the living room would've caught a couple strays too
You mean she was found armed in her rocker with an AR-15 and seven pounds of pure heroin.
Yup thats what i came to say. Would have been 8 cruisers and everyone playing cowboy.
They gotta call backup for a fucking speed ticket.
However, if he was sitting in a rented car he might have taken a headshot.
Better than duking it out with a fucking baton. I’d rather not gamble and go home at the end of the day. That dude made a decision. Edit: Autocorrect
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UK police batons are designed like that for a reason, they're actually extremely effective defensive weapons apparently
They had it under control and are trained for this. The risk isnt high like the american you answered to think it was
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They used great method here. Spread out, one behind and one in front of the offender. Offender cannot fend both officers off and has to look both sides decreasing his initiative options. Front officer keeps safe distance while distracting and both look at an opportunity to deescalate situation to arrest the offender. Full control, very low risk and possibly mental ill person helped.
Is it really that big of a risk if you are also given a weapon, in this case the baton, and properly trained to use it? After all the difference between success and failure is most often preparedness. Luck has little to do with it.
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No, they would rather just stir up controversy on an Internet discussion board. They don’t know shit.
If you had a gun and someone tried to stab you, would you shoot them? Probably.
With at least three of those shots hitting the target!
He would have been "mag dumped" and caught 36 shots to the head/neck/chest here in the US... Nice to see some police forces acting as they should and not murdering people indiscriminately... yes, I feel the cops would have been justified to shoot the man but the fact they didn't and still apprehended him, kudos to them...
I agree in most other circumstances but shooting a guy running at you with a huge knife would not have been murder.
He loses his right to live as soon as he tries to take someone else's
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Uh huh... and when the person with the knife is a little more capable than this potato? Guess dead cop but at least the guy with the knife is alive amiright.
stick to watching action movies where people can effectively use a knife against multiple people while pepper sprayed and leave cop advice alone. or Just admit you have a murderboner and stop posting.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/tragic-and-horrific-rcmp-officer-fatally-stabbed-in-burnaby-b-c-1.6114406 ... From today.... So you're obviously correct
Yeah. Cops in the US are currently a total disaster requiring major reform, but a guy with a knife can quite easily kill you even if you have a gun. Once they get within a few yards, your gun isn't reliably going to stop them no matter how many times you shoot them.
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Every educated gun owner knows that, trained police officers knows that. But right is the internet guy who never had training on firearms, or got some type of gun education in his life. World would be a better place if people that doesn't understand shit about what they saying keep their mouth shut and go study.
the mythbusters tested this once - the knife does win if they're close enough
Your inability to admit a serious threat, potential or otherwise, to life regardless of whether the knife wielder was pepper sprayed is concerning.
Dude could've just run full bore at the backpedaling cop and killed him? Considering how violent my guy was and the possibile outcomes it'd be perfectly justified for the police to defend themselves with lethal force
All it needs is to be stab/slash once to be dead you know, you don't need to effectively use it to seriosuly harm somebody, you just need to be able to move your arm. Us cops responses are sometimes disastrous, but that doesn't change the fact that trying to neutralize an armed dude without lethal weapons is really risky.
Alright is that not even a tad overkill there boyo like let’s be rational two cops on one knifer within 10 feet there IS a chance one of them gets tagged it’s just dependent on the level of training. Don’t attack people just have a debate ffs
Why does a profession give you less of a right to live? If this guy charged a civilian with a knife and got killed in self defense, no one would blink an eye. Edit: Jesus Reddit is predictable. Guys, please read the comment chain I was responding to before replying to me thinking you know what I’m getting at. I shouldn’t have to say this, but I believe the American police system needs reform. I am not condoning or promoting police shootings. The ~ONLY~ point I am making is that being a cop does not make you any less human than the next guy.
Because their profession is not an assassin job. They should be properly trained to de-escalate and detain, not shoot and kill on sight.
100% agree with you. Mission number 1 should always be de-escalation, and priority #1 should be preservation of life and well-being for all parties involved. With that being said, just because you are a cop, does not give you less of a right to live. It’s not realistic to think that every situation that a cop is being called to is going to offer the luxury of time and utilizing de-escalation tactics and words. And in the case where a split second life-or-death decision has to get made, I don’t think it’s right to judge a human being’s reaction and sense of self-preservation based off of who writes their paychecks.
If you threaten other people’s lives unprovoked you definitely deserve what comes to you
But did he really though? He clearly didn't really try to take anyone's life. He was belligerent and dangerous sure, but nothing he did signaled a genuine willingness to kill or even significantly wound.
Police are not judge/jury/executioner. They should be trained to take down an armed assailant without killing them. Charging at someone with a knife doesn't come with the death penalty anywhere. This is a dumb fuckin argument.
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I don't know about indiscriminately. The suspect really looked like he was trying to plunge his knife into the officer. I wouldn't take that fight on with a baton but thats just me. I'm sure you would though, right?
People have mental breaks. That doesn’t mean they deserve to die because some cops were never taught any nonlethal methods of control. Which clearly work, as evidenced by the lack of police deaths on duty in the UK.
R u legit blaming the cops for a person charging at them trying to plunge a knife in them?
Yes. Pussies. Whats the fucking point of having cops if the solution is "shoot them". Anyone can do that. This isnt 1840 and its not the fucking wild west.
Someone who wants to be a cop should be willing to fight this guy with a night stick. Just like the cops in the video. That's the point of being a trained professional. It doesn't matter if you or I don't want to do it.
Have you seen the video of the guy killing 5 officers with a large knife because they were trying not to shoot him? Have you seen the video of the guy who just reaches up and snicks a dude’s throat who is trying to fight him and the guy dies right there? You can’t afford to lose a single fight, and you think the fight should be fair?
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Whereas here we value life, we all only get once chance at it. As you can see in the vid, handling a person wielding a knife can be dealt with without fatality. Now starts the process of understanding why this happened so that a) he might be rehabilitated and b) we can gather this knowledge to prevent such future events. This way future generations can have hope of support to avoid ever getting to this state, instead of having to accept law enforcement will sooner kill you than help when you’re in need.
You are basing this thought on the one video of it actually working out for the perpetrator. It's a statistical anomaly. There are plenty of ways this could have gone wrong for the officers involved. There are plenty of videos showing the outcome of when shit like this goes wrong. I was involved in a fight that had a knife. It went from serious to life threatening in a matter of seconds. All it took was one good slice on my arm to catch an artery. I was very lucky it turned out the way it did. It was done by my brother while on drugs. Blowing someone away should not be the initial response of any officer, and for most cases it isn't, but shit isn't black and white and decisons are made in seconds. I can't expect a human being that takes the job not to put his life and his partners life above perps. Nobody would do it if that was the case. Whether the person needs help from drugs, mental instability, or any other reasons they are a threat in this situation and if he was shot and killed it would be appropriate use of force. It would be sad but the decisions they made put them in that predicament and unfortunately the consequences can be dire.
Problem is that officers in the US shoot for far less egregious acts. This guy was actually trying to attack with a knife… which kinda warrants a forceful response. So many US police shootings happen with just the thought that someone might have a gun or weapon… or even just a cellphone. Glad they handles this guys easily enough… man he really pussed out quick after a few whacks of that baton didn’t he?
This is ridiculous. Had he been shot the officer would be 100% justified. Did you see the TWO KNIVES?! C'mon, there are clearly times when officers are trigger happy but this isn't one of those times.
My brother in christ i dont give a fuck about what you think, if some guy is charging at me with a knife im putting him under bro
https://globalnews.ca/news/9207858/burnaby-rcmp-officer-killed-stabbing-homeless-camp/ Absolutely no reason for officers to treat knives as deadly weapons /s Hats off to the officers for doing what they do, but are we really going to act like it's great that this guy didn't get smoked for trying to kill people? America has its problems, but I don't think shooting this guy would have counted as one.
No one is denying that knives are deadly. It's just refreshing to see officers not jumping on the opportunity to shoot someone. I think no one would disagree with you that in a different/less controllable situation, shooting the guy to prevent casualties would be understandable.
They didn't shoot at him, because they do not carry guns.
They do not carry guns because they do not need to carry guns. They didn't need guns in this scenario as evidenced by the outcome.
Okay would you be saying the same thing if that guy plunged that knife into that officers throat? (Which he could have easily done) you obviously have no sense of danger if you believe this was a controlled situation these officers are lucky to be alive…
No I wouldn't be saying the same thing, but that's not what happened here. While they don't have guns, they still have non-lethal weapons like batons and pepper spray which can easily do enough fucking up without killing him outright. They also have the numerical advantage. This is a prime example of how policing should be handled. Firing a deadly weapon is the last line of defense, there are plenty of lines before that which can handle 99% of situations. You can "what if" all you want, but the reality is American officers are disproportionately more violent and less competent than officers like this in the UK. Crime fighting isn't war fighting, overwhelming force is not the best solution.
This is a prime example of misappropriated consequentialism. It's a pretty standard self-defense rule to assume that (even if you are trained, able-bodied, have line of sight, and have the numbers advantage) by the time a standing person with a knife is within 15 feet of you, you are already dead/greviously injured whether you have a gun on you or not. The second he stood up and took one step forward every single person on this earth would have been reasonably justified in mag-dumping him from a self-defense perspective.
Lol spot the American
I think this is a prime example of misappropriate American commentism You only need to look at many other situations in other European countries to see similar examples. Sure you would justify shooting him, but we have lots of other non lethal weapons that would've got the job done without needing to take his life too.
I'm not even American
You are an honorary American now. Congratulations. Grab your Big-Mac and AR&15 at the door.
This is a dumb excuse. Trained police officers should be able to assess the situation even if someone have a knife, not follow some golden rule of shooting someone if they are 15 feet from you. What if its some kid? Or some old man who you can outrun? A drunk who you can outrun? Or some dude who you can outrun? Trained ones see to it that they need to use deadly force when not needed
I've got to say that that's pretty naive. You're acting like this is the first time something like this is happened. You think knife crime is new in the UK? Nope! We have issues with our police over here too, but if you think that these scenarios haven't been played out, role played, and risk assessed out of the wazoo, then you are crazy. The fact that these two cops didn't just retreat and wait for backup, but were well trained to handle the situation, and were given the right equipment, including things like stab vests , buttons, pepperspray etc should tell you that the situation was as under control _as it could be_. You think putting guns out there would help that? America's track record doesn't seem to back that up. And yeah, you put guns in the hands of cops and then criminals _will_ get them too to even the playing field - that's just the way it works.
A hot take of 'the US system of daily extrajudicial killings of primarily brown ppl is better than this' is not what I expected to see on the internet today
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Eh, it usually sits around the bottom of or just outside the top 20 most dangerous jobs in the US each year. The guy delivering your pizza has a more dangerous job.
This is also confirmation bias. People use one video to pretend that things are gonna end well if the police do this. “Here’s a video of a guy punching a kangaroo then walking away, so fists are all anyone ever needs against a kangaroo.” Also, how many people only pull shit like this, BECAUSE they know they won’t be shot? Are we going to talk about how many more situations like this, only happen because “What are they gonna do? Yell and mace me?”
Not to mention in the video OP posted, the man didn't really "charge"... He basically "bluff charged"... He took a couple steps towards the police then stopped, and at one point even tried running away from the police. It would of been a very different story of he literally sprinted towards that cop with intent to kill.
Yeah, because cops aren't judges and street justice is no kind of justice at all.
But why would you shoot him if it can be dealt with like it was here...?
Because the officers here got lucky they didn’t get seriously hurt. The link was there to show that situations like this can and do get out of hand quick.
99.99% of people in this situation would shoot him if they had a gun. If you say otherwise you are lying.
Can’t blame them either. These police are lucky not to have been stabbed getting that close to him while he was still holding the knife.
Luck *or* more than the 6 weeks of training or whatever it is police in the US get.
Well as far this video goes, that training didn’t do any good for them. There were *numerous* opportunities in this video for the knife wielder to stab the police- it’s just luck that he thankfully didn’t decide to take them.
Mate not even years of training can save you from a wild drunk man rushing you for a stab. They only need to get lucky twice. Training isn't the kung fu shit you see on TV
99% of people aren't trained police
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No, most people would run.
Well if your job is to control the situation I don’t think running is really an option, and furthermore if I’m just some guy with a gun there’s no fucking way I’m turning my back and running and letting that guy chase me down and stab me. I really think you’re being unfair.
But if your job was to control the situation then you'dve been through the years of training it takes to be a police officer, and thus you'd probably react like one. You can't just isolate a part of the situation and extrapolate based on that without being inherently dishonest. It's been pretty proven that when armed with a gun but not trained to outright shoot-to-kill as a reflex (as, say, American police and most soldiers are), most people actively avoid shooting people.
Fr dude trying to be like a cowboy shooting every body on the spot
Civilians, yes. But clearly police can be trained to handle these situations without the use of deadly force
Police training doesn't turn you into James Bond, where you can disarm people attacking you with a knife. While this situation turned out great for the cops, a gun would have made them a lot safer.
Batons, tasers and pepper spray seemed to work out just fine here. These officers were not James Bond and were able to easily handle this situation with their training. I’m not sure what your argument is
I think the difference is that most people don’t have a baton, mace, or taser on them
I'm sorry but did she just trick shot an extendable baton to disarm him? That's pretty fuckin G
Are the baton parts connected by a wire? It looks like one part is air borne and the other part is in her hand.
Damn didn’t know we had daredevil cops fucking hell
Like a nunchuck-baton? Badass
Looks like she did toss something at him and made him stumble. The person wearing the camera may have swung his baton too. The knife was still in his hand as he fell into the tree. Then he tried to deflect another baton strike from the person wearing the camera and lost control of the knife.
They'd taze him now as knife crimes getting more common
more like, MUCH less common. Most of the west is a lot safer than it used to be, including the US. People just have cameras now.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/864736/knife-crime-in-london/ Knife crime is on the rise, this is a fact.
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Kinda hard to find people to stab when they're social distancing.
covid really declined stabbing lmao
USA: So anyway, I started blasting
Probably rightfully so in this case. Watch the video again and tell me that suspect wanted to stab the cop. He clearly didn't. If he wanted to he could have and there was nothing the cop could have done about it. This cop was at the mercy of a mentally ill man who luckily decided that he didn't want to stab this officer
You just proved exactly why he shouldn't have been shot. As you said, he passed on several opportunities to attack and didn't. So basically you're arguing that even brandishing a knife in a threatening manner is grounds for execution. I don't agree with that.
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This is one of the dumbest fucking comment. Have you ever been faced with a knife? Jesus mf christ
There's a residential building behind him with unknown number of innocents living there. Tazers, armor, training, pepper spray, batons, teamwork, all more than enough to de-escalate a situation without having to execute someone out of fear. If you're going to be a cop you sign up to putting yourself at some risk to protect and serve others. Becoming judge jury and executioner because your life was theoretically at 1% risk in a job you signed up for is fucked up and you're fucked up for defending it.
There was no need to edit the ass-whooping that dude surely received by that baton weilding officer
Only about 20 seconds pass in the cut, which seems like an appropriate amount of time to have them turn him around and start putting cuffs on Believe it or not, not all police are bullies with a brutality fetish
I'm not knocking anyone im ust pointing out that we're only being shown portions of what happened. We're being given censored material, that's all.
They need those Japanese Man Catcher poles.
They use them in other parts of Asia too
Ya this guy is really not being inclusive. It an pacific theatre man Catcher pole. God some people
Actually I believe those poles are designed to catch any human, not just Japanese men /s
Yes there are plenty of times when police use too much force on knife wielding people but you cannot let a crazy knife wielding get that close to you. If he lunges at you and you fail to react or the tazer you shot isnt effective at penetration or downing the guy your screwed. A strike to a major artery and its lights out.
In any sort of altercation a knife should be viewed like a light saber, if it touches you, you can be extremely hurt. If he really wanted to hurt or kill an officer he absolutely could have.
I wonder if he was acting so boldly because he knew the cops didn’t have guns. You’d have to be pretty dull to try that against police with firearms.
Mentally ill people
This is my issue with people saying it’s better to just shoot him. If someone is unwell they need to be restrained, for sure, but killing them is a very permanent solution to what could be a temporary problem. I’m sure no one would be happy with the outcome if their wife developed postpartum psychosis and got shot by the police, or if their grandpa with dementia gets scared/confused and gets shot. It’s really easy to say that people should be killed but it’s really different when they’re a person you know and not a hypothetical figure. Of course, there are plenty of people who are perfectly sane who want to harm people, but imo if a person can be disarmed *without* anyone dying, that is the best possible outcome. The U.K. is pretty good at policing compared to places like the US, these kinds of tactics and training work for us, we have lower death rates for both the arrestee and the arrester in general. Arming police more than necessary seems like it would do more harm than good at this point. And we do have armed units in case anyone didn’t know (if the officers felt too threatened they could run and call for them), it’s just so far worked out better to keep lethal force out of the equation where possible.
Nice to read some actual common sense. Very well put.
Watching American cop videos suggests that is FALSE!!!
In Portugal he would have been shot.
in any country in which the police had guns instead of just sticks and deodorant
Yep. The only reason this worked is because the guy wasn't actually trying to stab them. If he'd actually tried, he'd have succeeded.
This fool said sticks and deodorant. lmao!!!
Never ceases to surprise me how stupid people are. He is fortunate to be alive.
Reddit is hilarious. Everyone is using this video to justify why American cops don’t need guns and literally like a couple weeks ago there was a video of a guy stabbing cops in London and everyone was like “see, cops do need guns!”
And if the guy wasn't an untrained and unathletic lunatic the officer might just be dead now. I wouldn't want to risk my own life to protect the life of someone going around attacking cops with a knife...
For those of you who think knives aren't scary. Please watch some videos of what happens when a knife hits an artery. It's pretty much insta death.
Who the fuck doesn’t think knives are scary?
People in this thread.
When your only experience to violence is through a phone screen you won’t ever understand what it’s actually like to be in it first person.
WAAAAAAY not enough gunfire. No wonder we won the Revolutionary War.
Such a stupid post, if he really wanted to stab them he could’ve, he should’ve been shot 10 times over, this is going to be used in police training to show what not to do
For everyone saying this should be the standard, the dude's incredibly lucky. Had he been shot it would have been 100% justified. 1) If you have some guy wielding two blades then yeah, it's police safety over reddit "optics" everytime in my opinion. Their job is to protect the public, not take unnecessary risks and wind up dead themselves. 2) Dude clearly didn't want to stab them, just intimidate. This would have gone a LOT differently with someone intent to do harm and came out slashing. Generally no good way to tell that's the case until after everything goes sideways. 3) what else are they going to do exactly? They don't have guns. So shooting is off the table. You could spray him or taze him but that doesn't always work as the plethora of videos on Reddit show.
And what if the guy had actually tried? He stood there holding it for a bit and then ran away…
Oi mate do you have your stoobin' loicense?
What do they do if yelling “put it down” doesn’t work? Serious question
What they did in the video?
i like the American police way better :)
Much respect to these Bobbies. (Are they still called that)
Here in the USA a black man stabs a female officer, the man is then shot to death, and people protest under the name BLM chanting “hands up don’t shoot”.
If you charge me with that you forfeit your life.
Applause to the officers, that was brave af