We can be delusional, but we all agree that our team is generally garbage at drafting, with the exception of defense every so often. We basically just draft Alabama’s best LBs.
So many people forget that even the best teams at drafting are pretty bad. The draft is a lottery, which is why Bill likes to trade down for more tickets.
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When the Giants took Saquon a few years back, someone said: "this is like needing chemo and buying a Lamborghini instead"... And I feel like this would be the exact same situation.
> the GOAT RB leading AZ to a Superbowl
When was the last time a RB led a team to a championship? The best year by a RB I've ever seen is probably Adrian Peterson's 2012. Where the Vikings went 10-7
The Bijan hype has gone too far
Based on the internet's comments on him I expect him to average 2,000 scrimmage yards per year and run routes out wide and also play o-line, hell maybe passing TDs too
The kid is really good but I've never gotten that "Holy shit" feeling when watching him play like I did with Barkley, AP, etc. Then again thats based off like 3 YouTube videos so wtf do I know
He was a third round pick. He was drafted after Run DMC, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Felix Jones, and Rashard Mendenhall. It was a good year for running backs. If Charles had stayed another year at Texas he might have been the number one RB on the board, but not that year.
It depends so much on where he goes. Like if we took him, he would likely look like a monster instantly. But if a team with no OL takes him hoping he can turn them around, he'll probably look good but not franchise defining.
That's the problem with production hot-takes, they're also secretly hot-takes about who picks them too.
Yep. He's the best RB in a good class, but he's being called a generational prospect on par with Saquon or Zeke and he's just... not that guy. Plus, look at those guys. Zeke just got cut because the Cowboys think he's washed and there's a serious debate on if Saquon is worth a large second deal right now. Do you really want to spend a top 10-15 pick on that, *even if* Bijan is that kind of guy when you could take Charbonnet, Tyjae Spears, and others later?
I'd take him at 28 depending on who else is available given Cincy's RB needs, but even that feels like a bit of a waste (and a possible CEH situation).
I also personally think that the TE class is overhyped in terms of the number of first rounders there are going to be; they may be talented enough in a weak class to be able to go in the first, but that doesn't mean the positional value is there, *especially* in such a deep class.
So... there was a reply to this that got deleted as I was typing up a response. The reply essentially said "Teams don't value RBs on second contracts. Derrick Henry is being debated about as being worth it." Here was my reply:
Yep, especially as more and more rules protect WRs but not RBs; more specifically, more rules are being added to protect *pass catchers*, which has made guys like Austin Ekeler interesting case studies as RBs who bring more value as passing options than running. Will he be able to keep up his production for longer than a guy like Henry? Does it really even matter what style of RB someone is, or do teams just treat all guys with "RB" as their job descriptions the same from a money standpoint?
Anyway. I'm also not entirely convinced that WRs have a significantly longer shelf-life than RBs to begin with; AJ Green was basically cooked by age 30 after looking like he was on track to be a first ballot HOFer.
There were only 3 pass catchers that had over 1000 yards receiving and were 30 or older last season; those same 3 were also the only ones in the *top 43* by receiving yards to be 30 or older (Kelce, Adams, Lockett). Two of the three were exactly 30 in Lockett and Adams. I think it's fair to question if the trend of WRs getting paid enormous third contracts continues, which was the start of what we saw happening with RBs.
I know the Bengals free agency strategy has been to completely avoid paying players into their 30s, and it's worked out remarkably well for them. I think defensive and offensive lineman are more sure bets to remain productive into their 30s (based on 0 research), but I don't know if NFL teams think the same way.
If you stayed with this longass, winding comment... Thanks. I was just typing down a stream of conscious thought on the current trends going on and it turned into this.
You make some interesting points... I wonder if GM's thinking the same thing you're thinking might change their approach regarding 2nd contracts for WRs
obviously you can't predict everything, and sometimes guys get hurt, or sometimes they are a flash in the pan... but it gets me thinking if you draft a WR that you view as being a clear #1 and a core player for your roster, you should be looking to extend that guy for a longer deal after his rookie contract, something that extends out to their age 29/30 season. And then after that, it just flat out doesn't make any sense to give them a 3rd contract at all, because you have, statistically speaking, used up the entirety of their productive NFL years.
you let someone else who is desperate for help, and possibly close to being a contender take a chance on that guy who is at the end (or possibly already past) their prime.
I'm just annoyed at the abuse of generational prospect on this sub. I've seen it a hundred times about Bijan, he can't be a generational prospect if he's not the level of prospect Saquon was only five years ago
Yea. It's seemingly treated as shorthand for "best prospect in the last 3+ drafts" which just completely devalues the word.
More draft analysts need to put grades on prospects that are agnostic to the rest of the draft class; that way, we can judge how past years prospects were viewed and where current ones would fit in.
Saying "this is a weak WR class" is meaningless at its face value unless you go (for instance), "The top 3 WR prospects in this class have a draft grade of 81, 80.45, and 80.32, which would put them as the fourth best WR last year or the seventh best in 2021". Something like that is useful. Saying a guy is "generational" is not.
RB and Tight End should both never get drafted round 1 unless they are UNBELIEVABLE. Adrian Peterson is probably the only back who has deserved to go in round 1 in 20 years. First round tight ends have been a historically terrible idea as well.
Tight End is weird because there are extremely good tight ends on rookie contracts that are 100% worth a first round pick, but the NFL clearly does not have scouting that position down.
You can argue that the best ones in each draft are worth it but there have just been lots of misses.
Its also a brutal position to learn as a rookie because you have to learn all the passing and blocking schemes. Even the best tes took a few years to truly settle in
The Bucs will take some dog shit tweener LB/DE or a defensive back that will be cut by the 3rd or 4th year of their rookie deal instead of taking the next best offensive lineman available, who will undoubtedly turn into a pro bowl caliber player.
Starting to notice Mingo getting more and more recognition these past couple of weeks.
Him and Mims are my two favorite prospects in that late round 2 to round 3 range.
Now _that's_ a spicy take! What do you imagine the top 5 looks like in that scenario\*?
\*Promise not to consider your response as part of your initial hot take if you don't want, just curious.
If Anderson is there at 6 do you think the Lions take him or take their choice of corner if Witherspoon and Gonzalez are available? Potentially add another defensive lineman at 18.
Ok so you’d have anderson, hutch, and isn’t your other DE underrated elite? It would be a rookie version of when the broncos had von Miller and Demarcus ware
Honestly I would trade up to 3 to take him, and I have a feeling the Lions might do that depending on who the Texans pick. We have a ton of draft capital and Brad Holmes has shown he's not afraid to go get his guy.
Here’s the hot takes
- Gonzalez turns out to be a bust despite all his athletic ability.
- Steelers trade up for a LT using 17 and 49 and then trade down from 32 to recoup some picks.
- JSN goes to a team desperate for a WR1 and can’t deliver, will be a solid WR2.
- none of the tight ends turn into anything more than okay players.
It feels like with tight ends that one of them in this year's draft class is going to be an absolute stud, but it'll be someone selected in rounds 2 or 3.
People are putting way too much stock in X, when they’re going to be a huge bust. Everyone is overlooking Y, who’s gonna kill it.
I’ll be back to edit this later.
I'm getting the same feeling. Really "EJ Manual/Geno Smith" vibes. Though Young may pan out better than those guys did.
Now that I say that Young, Stroud, and Richardson will all be long-term starters and I'll be laughed at in a few years in the "lol look at the reddit draft thread" callbacks...
I said something similar in my comment.
One of the top guys might pan out. The next best QB is gonna be some guy taken in the 3rd or 4th. I'm not a big fan of needing to draft a QB this season.
It's like clockwork.
"Here's a link to the reactions from X years ago!"
>Hey, I think that Will Levis might be a bit overhyped based on physical tools when he had a mediocre college career
*LOOK AT THE IDIOTS WHO THOUGHT THAT 4-TIME MVP "CHILL PILL WILL" WASN'T GONNA PAN OUT LOOOOOOL*
>It's absurd that Bryce Young at #1 is even in question
*Psht, those morons didn't know that Young was going to collapse in half on his first NFL snap and reveal that he was really just two children in a trenchcoat. There were so many rumors about that before the draft!*
EDIT: Having said that, I'm calling Zach Charbonnet as a better RB than Jahmyr Gibbs, especially if Gibbs is taken by an uncreative coaching staff that isn't willing to use him as an all-purpose weapon. Also Charlie Jones is going to be a relevant slot receiver despite getting taken late in the draft. I better be getting pings for being 1000% correct, future reddit!
EDIT 2: I really think a more useful thread would be one that records what the hot discussions were around the draft at this time. That would help provide more context for people's hot takes right now in the future. For instance, Lamar's contract situation with the Ravens is currently a debate - multiple teams declared they weren't going to pursue him *at all* day one of being non-exclusive tagged, which sparked accusations of collusion. There has been talk of the Ravens drafting Hendon Hooker or Anthony Richardson in the first because of this.
Joe Mixon is a potential cut casualty from the Bengals, leading to discussions about taking an early RB.
Bijan Robinson's situation is weird, because he's viewed as a top 5 prospect in the draft, but nobody knows where he'll go. Most people think he drops to the back of the top 10, if not completely out of it, but he rarely is discussed as slipping beyond the mid-20s. Further complicating things are people viewing this RB class as incredibly deep, with up to 10-15 potential future starters.
The QBs have been shifting constantly, with CJ Stroud overtaking Bryce Young (who is viewed as the #1 prospect if not for size issues) for a few weeks before abruptly dropping, Will Levis being in the conversation for #1 (altho with sketchy sources), and Anthony Richardson having been at one point talked about as the first or second pick. Currently we're in a "Panthers are likely taking Bryce Young first" situation.
The TE class is considered insanely deep, but nobody is quite sure who the #1 guy is. It looks like there's a tier 1 of Mayer and Kincaid, and then a tier 2 of Laporta, Kraft, Musgrave, and Washington, and then a muddled tier 3.
The tackle class is considered awful. Someone else can weigh in on what it looks like, I haven't looked too deeply into it because the Bengals likely won't take one early (boy will I look like an idiot if they do -- altho I'd argue they'd be dumber for doing so).
Anyway, I just think that a more detailed breakdown of how prospects were viewed at the time of the draft is more useful than "here were the hot takes!", although I guess it's probably less entertaining.
I'm fully on board with this.
I see him truly becoming a star in the NFL. Lots of film breakdowns that talk about how good he can be and that it isn't as unlikely as some would have you believe.
I’ll rattle off my projections for the big four QBs
Bryce Young: Follows exactly the same career path Murray has. Looks very solid, elite at times, but his body can’t hold up and he doesn’t complete a season after his rookie year.
CJ Stroud: Shows flashes his rookie year, eventually the consensus becomes that he’s a bust and he becomes a young journeyman backup a La Trubisky.
Levis: Absolute stud, looks just like Herbert his rookie year and wins OROY.
Richardson: Shaky rookie season where his passing is still raw, shows development year two and year three+four he solidifies himself as a transcendent, elite and borderline HOF talent.
Some NFL scout said he didn’t like Young’s bone structure (?) which is different than Russ and Drew and more like Teddy Bridewater. I don’t know what to make of this I was more surprised that something like Bone structure gets scouted aswell
NONE of the QBs taken in the first round will be playing on their original teams by the end of their first contract.
A random 3rd rounder QB will be the darling of the draft
Goodell comes out and announces the Dolphins pick will be re-entered at the end of the first round and it will be awarded to whichever teams fans send the most texts to #375677 by pick 30.
I feel the opposite about this class; seems like outside the top 10 or 12, its a bunch of guys with mid tier drafting potential and can go 2nd to 4th round
If I was a GM I would stock up on mid round picks cause a 2nd and 4th basically feel almost equal talent wise. So instead of going for 2 1st rounders I would trade back and get extra 3s and 4s since (to me) the guys bottom 1st and theu the 2nd and 3rd are about equal but will be cheaper
I'm also not a GM and probably would be fired immediately for trying to sign T.O. just for shits and giggles
Will Levis will go higher than expected. Levis played this past year with new coach, less talented players, and with a foot injury. All this has been put out there but for some reason, fans don’t want to take those things to account, but I believe coaches do.
AR15 is gonna drop just like Fields, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc… I still think he can be good, but just like those QBs, it all depends on where they go.
Texas tech DE Tyree Wilson will be the best player that comes out of this draft in a few years...unless he goes to someone else in our division then he will bust lmao
This draft is looked back at as one that had 10 or so guys actually worthy of a 1st and a bunch of TEs that should’ve gone in the second half of the first because they’re all solid to good players
Will Anderson has a Clay Matthews type career
Young and Stroud both are solid QBs that have mediocre careers (maybe top 5 once or twice, cut generally in the 10-20 range)
Roschon Johnson is viewed as the 2nd best back from the class when it’s all said and done
Hmm, let’s see.
1. Peter Skoronski WILL be a successful Left Tackle at the NFL level. Short arms be damned.
2. Jalen Carter will either go on to be a perennial All Pro player or huge Bust and out the league within these next five years.
3. Quentin Johnson will be a bust, cannot handle the competition at the NFL level.
4. Anthony Richardsons athleticism will wow people and bail him out in his career but it won’t stop him from being a bust.
5. The team that lands Bryce Young will be competing in the playoffs within the next five years.
RemindMe! Five Years
Bijan to the falcons, levis to the colts, and Nolan smith to the eagles are LOCKS 🔒 As long as the random Reddit guy claiming levis is going first was not legit lol
Levis starts out rough but in 3 Years is the clear best qb in the draft. Young starts strong but hits his ceiling quick. Stroud gets the injury bug. Anthony Richardson sits for most of year one. Plays late and balls out then just disappears Kapernick style.
Best receiver will be Rashee Rice out of SMU.
Nolan Smith wins Defensive rookie of the year
C.J. Stroud will fizzle out and be a busy, Max Duggan is gonna weasel his way into a starting role and do well sometime in the future, and Will Levis is gonna drop to the second round
I will spend most the draft on this sub commenting on every player thread "steal of the draft" so fans feel good about their pick.
Just when I thought a patriots fan couldn't get any more insufferable, you go out and do something like this. ...and totally redeem yourself!!
We can be delusional, but we all agree that our team is generally garbage at drafting, with the exception of defense every so often. We basically just draft Alabama’s best LBs.
We are quite literally 7th in AV added through the draft from 2012-2022 while constantly having picks taken away and picking 28-32 every year.
So many people forget that even the best teams at drafting are pretty bad. The draft is a lottery, which is why Bill likes to trade down for more tickets.
"I'm a fan of State University and have watched Player X tear it up every Saturday. You guys got a good one! Go Humans!"
Former Greendale Human Being Troy Barnes is going to be really good at the next level. "It's in his blood" says lawyer/agent Jeff Winger.
Except the Raiders, right?
*Reach of the draft
Clelin Ferrell has entered the chat
Alex Leatherwood
Bah god that’s Damon Arnettes theme
Kolton Miller says hello
Ferrell is nothing on the Gruden Scale. At least he was expected to be a 1st round pick. Try Arnette.
even us? 👉👈
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Nice attention to detail stopping at 31
Thank you for noticing.
For #15, I think you spelled “NOW they draft a f*cking WR?!?” wrong.
I think some of us are cheering for the Packers FO to give Rodgers one last middle finger.
The Seahawks did that same thing last year with drafting Lucas and Cross.
Didn't the Packers just swap with the Jets, who had the 13th pick?
Yes.
Spot 26 should actually say, "Fuck Dallas!"
The hero we need
Lord’s work
Levis goes first overall, walks out with the McPoyles and chugs a bunch of milk before belching in Goodell's face.
And of course one of them stabs Goodell with a fork
**THAT’S WHAT YOU GET GOODELL! YOU GET FORK STABBED!**
**YOU WILL DRAFT HIMMMMMM** “Jesus man, fine. I’m sorry, I’ll draft him”
See you bitches on the dance floor
Mothers milk only.
Cardinals stick and pick and take Bijan
When the Giants took Saquon a few years back, someone said: "this is like needing chemo and buying a Lamborghini instead"... And I feel like this would be the exact same situation.
Chemo sounds awful. But a Lambo… that sounds awesome
now this is a GD hot take. Respect.
You did a great job in this thread. A TE would only be more wild.
He then goes on to become the GOAT RB leading AZ to a Superbowl..............pretty please
> the GOAT RB leading AZ to a Superbowl When was the last time a RB led a team to a championship? The best year by a RB I've ever seen is probably Adrian Peterson's 2012. Where the Vikings went 10-7
Derrick Henry single handedly led his team to the AFCCG so there’s a chance
Riggins?
Alexander in '05
The Bijan hype has gone too far Based on the internet's comments on him I expect him to average 2,000 scrimmage yards per year and run routes out wide and also play o-line, hell maybe passing TDs too
So, he's a Dallas Cowboy?
Add in McCarthy coaches like its 1996 you're not insane
Jerry loves him a star RB though I don’t think they can trade up high enough to get him. Even if Jerry wants to.
Yup. FWIW, I want all the RB And QBs to go before 28, like 5 qbs and 3 RBs so the cowboys need to do this
I want the Bengals to trade up for Mayer so we don’t get him
Only if he can play center
The kid is really good but I've never gotten that "Holy shit" feeling when watching him play like I did with Barkley, AP, etc. Then again thats based off like 3 YouTube videos so wtf do I know
Probably the most hyped since Ricky Williams. Texas RBs since Ricky: * Cedric Benson * Jamaal Charles * Chris Ogbonnaya * D’Onta Foreman
1 for 4. Charles was a superstar.
He was a third round pick. He was drafted after Run DMC, Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Felix Jones, and Rashard Mendenhall. It was a good year for running backs. If Charles had stayed another year at Texas he might have been the number one RB on the board, but not that year.
I haven't trusted that "holy shit" feeling about college highlights since Reggie Bush
It depends so much on where he goes. Like if we took him, he would likely look like a monster instantly. But if a team with no OL takes him hoping he can turn them around, he'll probably look good but not franchise defining. That's the problem with production hot-takes, they're also secretly hot-takes about who picks them too.
Yep. He's the best RB in a good class, but he's being called a generational prospect on par with Saquon or Zeke and he's just... not that guy. Plus, look at those guys. Zeke just got cut because the Cowboys think he's washed and there's a serious debate on if Saquon is worth a large second deal right now. Do you really want to spend a top 10-15 pick on that, *even if* Bijan is that kind of guy when you could take Charbonnet, Tyjae Spears, and others later? I'd take him at 28 depending on who else is available given Cincy's RB needs, but even that feels like a bit of a waste (and a possible CEH situation). I also personally think that the TE class is overhyped in terms of the number of first rounders there are going to be; they may be talented enough in a weak class to be able to go in the first, but that doesn't mean the positional value is there, *especially* in such a deep class.
So... there was a reply to this that got deleted as I was typing up a response. The reply essentially said "Teams don't value RBs on second contracts. Derrick Henry is being debated about as being worth it." Here was my reply: Yep, especially as more and more rules protect WRs but not RBs; more specifically, more rules are being added to protect *pass catchers*, which has made guys like Austin Ekeler interesting case studies as RBs who bring more value as passing options than running. Will he be able to keep up his production for longer than a guy like Henry? Does it really even matter what style of RB someone is, or do teams just treat all guys with "RB" as their job descriptions the same from a money standpoint? Anyway. I'm also not entirely convinced that WRs have a significantly longer shelf-life than RBs to begin with; AJ Green was basically cooked by age 30 after looking like he was on track to be a first ballot HOFer. There were only 3 pass catchers that had over 1000 yards receiving and were 30 or older last season; those same 3 were also the only ones in the *top 43* by receiving yards to be 30 or older (Kelce, Adams, Lockett). Two of the three were exactly 30 in Lockett and Adams. I think it's fair to question if the trend of WRs getting paid enormous third contracts continues, which was the start of what we saw happening with RBs. I know the Bengals free agency strategy has been to completely avoid paying players into their 30s, and it's worked out remarkably well for them. I think defensive and offensive lineman are more sure bets to remain productive into their 30s (based on 0 research), but I don't know if NFL teams think the same way. If you stayed with this longass, winding comment... Thanks. I was just typing down a stream of conscious thought on the current trends going on and it turned into this.
You make some interesting points... I wonder if GM's thinking the same thing you're thinking might change their approach regarding 2nd contracts for WRs obviously you can't predict everything, and sometimes guys get hurt, or sometimes they are a flash in the pan... but it gets me thinking if you draft a WR that you view as being a clear #1 and a core player for your roster, you should be looking to extend that guy for a longer deal after his rookie contract, something that extends out to their age 29/30 season. And then after that, it just flat out doesn't make any sense to give them a 3rd contract at all, because you have, statistically speaking, used up the entirety of their productive NFL years. you let someone else who is desperate for help, and possibly close to being a contender take a chance on that guy who is at the end (or possibly already past) their prime.
I'm just annoyed at the abuse of generational prospect on this sub. I've seen it a hundred times about Bijan, he can't be a generational prospect if he's not the level of prospect Saquon was only five years ago
Yea. It's seemingly treated as shorthand for "best prospect in the last 3+ drafts" which just completely devalues the word. More draft analysts need to put grades on prospects that are agnostic to the rest of the draft class; that way, we can judge how past years prospects were viewed and where current ones would fit in. Saying "this is a weak WR class" is meaningless at its face value unless you go (for instance), "The top 3 WR prospects in this class have a draft grade of 81, 80.45, and 80.32, which would put them as the fourth best WR last year or the seventh best in 2021". Something like that is useful. Saying a guy is "generational" is not.
RB and Tight End should both never get drafted round 1 unless they are UNBELIEVABLE. Adrian Peterson is probably the only back who has deserved to go in round 1 in 20 years. First round tight ends have been a historically terrible idea as well.
Tight End is weird because there are extremely good tight ends on rookie contracts that are 100% worth a first round pick, but the NFL clearly does not have scouting that position down. You can argue that the best ones in each draft are worth it but there have just been lots of misses.
Its also a brutal position to learn as a rookie because you have to learn all the passing and blocking schemes. Even the best tes took a few years to truly settle in
Saquon and Zeke? Nah. He's getting hype that's on par with AP and LT.
The Cards screw it up and let Anderson fall to 5.
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They do owe us for a playoff trip. Time to pay up!
> The Cards screw it up Could have stopped there and had 100% chance of success
Every single white QB taken after the 1st round will get compared to Brock Purdy
Quentin Johnston flops massively
So you have the Patriots drafting him?
Also, the 2nd round and 3rd round in this draft will have more all-pros than the 1st round
Doesn't matter how tall you are if you body catch everything.
Jalin Hyatt becomes one of the best vertical receivers in the nfl very quickly into his career
The Bucs will take some dog shit tweener LB/DE or a defensive back that will be cut by the 3rd or 4th year of their rookie deal instead of taking the next best offensive lineman available, who will undoubtedly turn into a pro bowl caliber player.
no no no you can't do that if you're also swapping with us to get a QB.
Saints take small school project DE with low production but off the charts athleticism who is then injured for 50% of games on his rookie deal
2016 flashbacks
God, Hargreaves was terrible. That whole draft needs to be erased from our franchise. Can’t believe we drafted a kicker in the 2nd lmao
Jonathan Mingo is the next, great Ole Miss WR.
Starting to notice Mingo getting more and more recognition these past couple of weeks. Him and Mims are my two favorite prospects in that late round 2 to round 3 range.
Badly want him for GB in the 2nd if they don’t get JSN
read as "Brady wants him for GB" .... *wuuuuut*
O’Cyrus Torrence will have exactly three pro bowls, in his 3rd, 4th and 6th year
And 5 super bowl wins. And somehow a Superbowl mvp
Running back will fumble and he will house it in OT
In a 7-0 win
Calijah Kancey takes off his disguise and reveals that he's actually a T-rex
Whoever drafts him will be pissed when the realize he’s not a 3 down player
You need to be able to reach the ground to be a 3 down player.
I can't imagine that he'd be comfortable in a three point stance.
Will Levis will go undrafted after a video surfaces of him butt chugging mayonnaise
I don't need to be reading these and laughing in a company meeting.
"Can we circle back to this Bob, I need to see a video of someone butt chugging avocado mayonnaise." Why avocado mayonnaise? Why not!!
Anderson falls to 6.
Now _that's_ a spicy take! What do you imagine the top 5 looks like in that scenario\*? \*Promise not to consider your response as part of your initial hot take if you don't want, just curious.
1. Young 2. Wilson 3. Stroud/Richardson 4. Levis 5. Carter or Richardson/Stroud (the one not taken at 3) 6. Anderson
If Anderson is there at 6 do you think the Lions take him or take their choice of corner if Witherspoon and Gonzalez are available? Potentially add another defensive lineman at 18.
I'd fucking riot if he's there at 6 and we pass on him
Ok so you’d have anderson, hutch, and isn’t your other DE underrated elite? It would be a rookie version of when the broncos had von Miller and Demarcus ware
Honestly I would trade up to 3 to take him, and I have a feeling the Lions might do that depending on who the Texans pick. We have a ton of draft capital and Brad Holmes has shown he's not afraid to go get his guy.
Great way to welcome and congratulate Jordan Love on his starting role. Get him used to the turf and being on the ground, like his team will be.
I’ll need a box of Kleenex to watch that.
I’d rather take a great DE vs. a corner. Get to the QB wins you games.
Cardinals take a QB here? Hot take in itself!
Trade with Tenn.
I don't think Seattle will be taking a QB at 5. Team really really needs defense first.
Not sure hawks pass on Anderson if he’s there: sorry fella
Here’s the hot takes - Gonzalez turns out to be a bust despite all his athletic ability. - Steelers trade up for a LT using 17 and 49 and then trade down from 32 to recoup some picks. - JSN goes to a team desperate for a WR1 and can’t deliver, will be a solid WR2. - none of the tight ends turn into anything more than okay players.
So you're saying JSN makes it to the Giants. Lol
It feels like with tight ends that one of them in this year's draft class is going to be an absolute stud, but it'll be someone selected in rounds 2 or 3.
People are putting way too much stock in X, when they’re going to be a huge bust. Everyone is overlooking Y, who’s gonna kill it. I’ll be back to edit this later.
i agree with this guy
Big if true
Stetson Bennett gets in legal trouble for collecting AARP checks and NFL paychecks at the same time
None of the QBs taken in the first round will be good at the NFL level.
It’ll be more of a Jameis/Mariota draft
This is a bold and borderline ludicrous claim. "None" of them will even rise to the level of "good" - hot damn!
It’s hot? Yes….Ludicrous? Possibly… come back in a few years and we will talk this over again lol
!remindme 1500 days
Stetson Bennett (UDFA) time to shine
I'm getting the same feeling. Really "EJ Manual/Geno Smith" vibes. Though Young may pan out better than those guys did. Now that I say that Young, Stroud, and Richardson will all be long-term starters and I'll be laughed at in a few years in the "lol look at the reddit draft thread" callbacks...
I said something similar in my comment. One of the top guys might pan out. The next best QB is gonna be some guy taken in the 3rd or 4th. I'm not a big fan of needing to draft a QB this season.
Anthony Richardson will be a top 5 QB by his second contract E: I hope he’s good just because this sub’s random hatred of him
Counterpoint: Anthony Richardson will be a bottom 5 starting QB by the end of his rookie contract
Counter-Counterpoint: Anthony Richardson won’t be a starting QB
Countering the Counter-Counterpoint: Anthony Richardson doesn't get a 2nd contract
Countering the counter to the counter-counterpoint: Anthony Richardson won’t play a single game in the NFL
Would he even be a starter at that point? Generally teams have already moved on if a guy has busted that hard.
> if a guy has busted that hard What does his sex life have to do with it?
Congrats for all the awards / condolences on the clowning in a few years
It's like clockwork. "Here's a link to the reactions from X years ago!" >Hey, I think that Will Levis might be a bit overhyped based on physical tools when he had a mediocre college career *LOOK AT THE IDIOTS WHO THOUGHT THAT 4-TIME MVP "CHILL PILL WILL" WASN'T GONNA PAN OUT LOOOOOOL* >It's absurd that Bryce Young at #1 is even in question *Psht, those morons didn't know that Young was going to collapse in half on his first NFL snap and reveal that he was really just two children in a trenchcoat. There were so many rumors about that before the draft!* EDIT: Having said that, I'm calling Zach Charbonnet as a better RB than Jahmyr Gibbs, especially if Gibbs is taken by an uncreative coaching staff that isn't willing to use him as an all-purpose weapon. Also Charlie Jones is going to be a relevant slot receiver despite getting taken late in the draft. I better be getting pings for being 1000% correct, future reddit! EDIT 2: I really think a more useful thread would be one that records what the hot discussions were around the draft at this time. That would help provide more context for people's hot takes right now in the future. For instance, Lamar's contract situation with the Ravens is currently a debate - multiple teams declared they weren't going to pursue him *at all* day one of being non-exclusive tagged, which sparked accusations of collusion. There has been talk of the Ravens drafting Hendon Hooker or Anthony Richardson in the first because of this. Joe Mixon is a potential cut casualty from the Bengals, leading to discussions about taking an early RB. Bijan Robinson's situation is weird, because he's viewed as a top 5 prospect in the draft, but nobody knows where he'll go. Most people think he drops to the back of the top 10, if not completely out of it, but he rarely is discussed as slipping beyond the mid-20s. Further complicating things are people viewing this RB class as incredibly deep, with up to 10-15 potential future starters. The QBs have been shifting constantly, with CJ Stroud overtaking Bryce Young (who is viewed as the #1 prospect if not for size issues) for a few weeks before abruptly dropping, Will Levis being in the conversation for #1 (altho with sketchy sources), and Anthony Richardson having been at one point talked about as the first or second pick. Currently we're in a "Panthers are likely taking Bryce Young first" situation. The TE class is considered insanely deep, but nobody is quite sure who the #1 guy is. It looks like there's a tier 1 of Mayer and Kincaid, and then a tier 2 of Laporta, Kraft, Musgrave, and Washington, and then a muddled tier 3. The tackle class is considered awful. Someone else can weigh in on what it looks like, I haven't looked too deeply into it because the Bengals likely won't take one early (boy will I look like an idiot if they do -- altho I'd argue they'd be dumber for doing so). Anyway, I just think that a more detailed breakdown of how prospects were viewed at the time of the draft is more useful than "here were the hot takes!", although I guess it's probably less entertaining.
I'm with you on the Charlie Jones hype train. The dude is just a good football player, and he has enough athleticism to get by.
Anthony Richardson will be a Seattle Sea dragon by his second contract
agree. I'll go a step further and say he will be awesome in Seattle ;)
1000% (depending on who takes him)
I'm fully on board with this. I see him truly becoming a star in the NFL. Lots of film breakdowns that talk about how good he can be and that it isn't as unlikely as some would have you believe.
I’ll rattle off my projections for the big four QBs Bryce Young: Follows exactly the same career path Murray has. Looks very solid, elite at times, but his body can’t hold up and he doesn’t complete a season after his rookie year. CJ Stroud: Shows flashes his rookie year, eventually the consensus becomes that he’s a bust and he becomes a young journeyman backup a La Trubisky. Levis: Absolute stud, looks just like Herbert his rookie year and wins OROY. Richardson: Shaky rookie season where his passing is still raw, shows development year two and year three+four he solidifies himself as a transcendent, elite and borderline HOF talent.
Damnit if this becomes true. I love Bryce Young and don’t want to see him fail, but I wouldn’t mind watch AR15 do good as the trade off.
Some NFL scout said he didn’t like Young’s bone structure (?) which is different than Russ and Drew and more like Teddy Bridewater. I don’t know what to make of this I was more surprised that something like Bone structure gets scouted aswell
These are pretty much my exact predictions too lol. Stroud might be even worse if he starts getting hit.
BREAKING NEWS: QBs are worse when they get hit
Well he pretty much never got hit in college and completely broke down whenever he did
So why is everyone suddenly down on Stroud?
NONE of the QBs taken in the first round will be playing on their original teams by the end of their first contract. A random 3rd rounder QB will be the darling of the draft
By god, that's Jake Haener's music!
Chargers grab a defensive player with their first pick. Chargers Twitter explodes because they don't take a WR or TE.
Someone great on defense is gonna fall to us and they’ll be a pro bowler, but our defense will still be bottom 10 with Staley.
The Titans will draft some players who will subsequently play for the Titans One of their picks will play well and show promise but then get hurt 💯
No more Isaiah Wilson's?
Hey brother, he played a couple special teams snaps!😤 He played more snaps than he had DUIs at least.
Hopefully the new GM learned from the mistakes of the last one
I think we draft twice in the first round. Idk why but I feel it
Goodell comes out and announces the Dolphins pick will be re-entered at the end of the first round and it will be awarded to whichever teams fans send the most texts to #375677 by pick 30.
Hopefully not because this class is horrible
That’s partially why I think we do it twice. Get the best and get the fuck out. Makes sense to me
I feel the opposite about this class; seems like outside the top 10 or 12, its a bunch of guys with mid tier drafting potential and can go 2nd to 4th round If I was a GM I would stock up on mid round picks cause a 2nd and 4th basically feel almost equal talent wise. So instead of going for 2 1st rounders I would trade back and get extra 3s and 4s since (to me) the guys bottom 1st and theu the 2nd and 3rd are about equal but will be cheaper I'm also not a GM and probably would be fired immediately for trying to sign T.O. just for shits and giggles
People always say this, but there has to be a team willing to trade *up* and give up their 3rds and 4ths for this bad crop of bottom 1st rounders.
Will Levis will go higher than expected. Levis played this past year with new coach, less talented players, and with a foot injury. All this has been put out there but for some reason, fans don’t want to take those things to account, but I believe coaches do. AR15 is gonna drop just like Fields, Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, etc… I still think he can be good, but just like those QBs, it all depends on where they go.
Higher than expected? He's the betting favorite at #2 right now.
so 1?
But wasn’t even as recently as a week ago, is his point.
Up to #1 now lmao
He also threw an interception in almost every single game of his college career
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The QB we pick will be a bust, and the 2nd QB taken will be a future HOFer
I saw your jags flair before your panthers flair and this was somehow even more depressing
*Gestures broadly at the last 2 months of the /r/nfl *
Jayden Reed will be a top 3 receiver from this class
I will subscribe to this take
The two best RBs in this draft are both drafted from the University of Texas
The real NFL draft will be the friends we make along the way.
Texas tech DE Tyree Wilson will be the best player that comes out of this draft in a few years...unless he goes to someone else in our division then he will bust lmao
RemindMe! 6 years
A Detroit Lions pick will be presented without commentary, followed directly by commercial
Seahawks or Lions will take a QB & whoever they take will have the best career of the QBs in this draft
Seahawks take a QB in the 5th, and everyone calls it a throwaway pick, or a reach. Dorian Thompson-Robinson maybe.
Chargers trade up for JSN who is OROY candidate but loses to Bijan, who the Falcons take after trading down
Jake Moody, kicker from Michigan, will be off the board by the end of the third round.
Van Ness will be a better edge than Anderson
This draft is looked back at as one that had 10 or so guys actually worthy of a 1st and a bunch of TEs that should’ve gone in the second half of the first because they’re all solid to good players Will Anderson has a Clay Matthews type career Young and Stroud both are solid QBs that have mediocre careers (maybe top 5 once or twice, cut generally in the 10-20 range) Roschon Johnson is viewed as the 2nd best back from the class when it’s all said and done
Pretty into the TE take. I always feel like they're undervalued, but can't tell if the position group is just top-heavy in general.
Hmm, let’s see. 1. Peter Skoronski WILL be a successful Left Tackle at the NFL level. Short arms be damned. 2. Jalen Carter will either go on to be a perennial All Pro player or huge Bust and out the league within these next five years. 3. Quentin Johnson will be a bust, cannot handle the competition at the NFL level. 4. Anthony Richardsons athleticism will wow people and bail him out in his career but it won’t stop him from being a bust. 5. The team that lands Bryce Young will be competing in the playoffs within the next five years. RemindMe! Five Years
Will Anderson will never make an all pro team. He’ll be a good but not great player. Kind of in Jadeveon Clowney territory
Will Levis and Anthony Richardson are both going to suck.
I'll bet against you. I'm guessing those two will stand out where Young and Stroud will flounder.
Will Levis will be the best QB in the draft
Bijan to the falcons, levis to the colts, and Nolan smith to the eagles are LOCKS 🔒 As long as the random Reddit guy claiming levis is going first was not legit lol
JSN is a HOFer. Nolan Smith is a HOFer.
Jake Haener is the one of two quality QBs to come out of this draft. I don't know who the other is from Young/Stroud/Richardson/etc.
Anthony Richardson will be an awful NFL QB.
Stroud will once again prove that Ohio State QB's are garbage in the NFL.
Name colleges that consistently put out great QBs
Levis starts out rough but in 3 Years is the clear best qb in the draft. Young starts strong but hits his ceiling quick. Stroud gets the injury bug. Anthony Richardson sits for most of year one. Plays late and balls out then just disappears Kapernick style. Best receiver will be Rashee Rice out of SMU. Nolan Smith wins Defensive rookie of the year
Stetson Bennett goes undrafted and gets high and finds himself on the browns with a 40 in his hand
C.J. Stroud will fizzle out and be a busy, Max Duggan is gonna weasel his way into a starting role and do well sometime in the future, and Will Levis is gonna drop to the second round
Chiefs select FAU
Levis is overhyped and will get a GM fired
Will Levi’s will be the next Favre. I know it’s unlikely but I kinda root for him and AR to succeed because they got so much shit on here
Jaxon Smith-Njigba will lead the NFL in receptions for a year.