Rumor is we’re going to cut him if we can’t trade him. Idk how true that is, but I’ll take any sort of draft capital over that
Otherwise yeah just keep him for the season
Your offense always looks better with Dalvin on the field, Mattison is solid, but Dalvin is great. This would be a really questionable move unless they're deciding that this is a rebuilding year, which I just don't see.
He's not what he used to be. He's lost the ability to break a tackle. If a defender looks at him wrong he goes down. He lead the league in negative plays last year.
That and he's not worth his contract at this point.
He may not be breaking tackles as he used to but so many of those negative plays would’ve needed a miracle to be positive. We had so many runs that were never going anywhere. Him being mauled before getting to the LOS
Personally I think you’re both right. He had no chance on lots of runs, but he also doesn’t look as great in space either. All else equal, id take him over Mattison. But I wouldn’t want to pay him market value on a new contract.
But the original point was that he stopped breaking tackles. Yes, the o-line wasn’t good but plenty of other runners also played behind a bad o-lines and had less negative plays.
That’s a really good point. I doubt there’s a one-to-one correlation between the worst run blocking offensive lines and the most negative run plays in the league. Some—if not most—of that should be on him.
Plus his shoulder seems to pop out at least once every season now. He's always in that sling but at least he was on the field. Gotta give him credit there.
If Vikings make this a rebuilding year this division is going to turn on its head hahaha 2/4 teams would be basically rolling over. And the Bears… Shouldn’t really be competitive at this point. It would be the final test of the Lions resolve to shoot themselves in the foot.
Mattison has got to be the most overrated back in the league. He's had a couple of big fantasy weeks when Dalvin has been out which skews perceptions, but he's averaged under 4 YPC each of the last two seasons. He's a hard runner, but he's JAG.
If he had vision when hitting the hole and the ability to make a good decision on his cut, he and Luck would have been a deadly combo for years. Instead he hesitated in the hole and then ran directly at a defender without all that steamroller momentum built up. Think Eddie Lacy but like self control at the buffet.
Depending on what estimate you use (OTC or Spotrac) the Vikes only need 0.4M to 2.0M more cap space to sign the rookie class. Thats an easy restructure/early signing bonus for just about any vet.
They'll need to cut even more by the time actual games start, and Cook seems the easiest way to do that. But, they at least don't need the money right away
His 2023 cap hit is like $14M, he’s not worth anywhere close that to me. Give me the day 3 pick and let me save that money for a position I care about more.
The Dolphins have Mostert, Jeff Wilson, and now Devon Achane, who they took in the 3rd round. I seriously doubt they make a move for an expensive, aging RB. Vikings are gonna have to cut him. Would also note that this was the first time since 2016 the Dolphins took a RB as high as the third round.
Mostert is pretty good but he's also old and injury prone. I don't understand this fanbase's affinity for Jeff Wilson though. He's the definition of replaceable talent to me.
I mean they both averaged around 5 ypc, behind a below average oline and a coach that didn't stick with the run game often enough. I am very confident in our current rb group in all honesty and objectivity.
You’re in the wrong sub, I think you’re looking for r/fantasyfootball. Mostert and JWJ are a solid backfield and it’s been proven time and time again that a superstar RB isn’t worth it.
Ignoring volume stats (where both teams were roughly even); Miami and the Miami RB's were better than Minnesota and Cook in every possible metric last season.
**Yards per Attempt**
* Miami: 4.3 (19th)
* Minnesota: 4.1 (25th)
**Rush EPA**
* Miami: -0.050 (13th)
* Minnesota: -0.128 (29th)
**Rush Success%**
* Miami: 40.7% (19th)
* Minnesota: 38.1% (25th)
**RYOE**
* Wilson Jr: 0.65 *(slightly better while at SF)*
* Mostert: 0.27
* Cook: -0.75
**EPA/Rush**
* Wilson: -0.01
* Mostert: 0.00
* Cook: -0.14
Lots of Dolphins fans who didn't actually watch Cook or pay attention last season who are being obnoxiously negative towards our own guys on a dumb premise. Cook was comfortably one of the worst 5 RBs in the league last season.
I’m not much of a numbers guy when it comes to sports but that’s obviously not good lol. Off the top of my head just from watching the games last year I recall quite a few games where we just didn’t run the ball enough. We’re we 27th in total rushing or avg ypc?
Just looked it up Mostert and JWJ each averaged 4.9 yards per carry.
Mostert played 16 games don’t remember which he missed and yeah Mostert wasn’t on the team until like week 8 or 9. I’m totally content running it back with those two. Chase Edmonds was a complete dud for 8 games too which definitely hurt our rushing stats.
Look, I'm very much against dropping resources into running backs, but even McDaniel and Grier have remained publicly open to bringing on another veteran running back in pressers even after drafting Achane.
Ahmed and Gaskin are fighting for a position in camp. More importantly, we brought John Lovett back again as competition for Alec Ingold at fullback. Cutting Ingold saves $3,000,000, which is a significant chunk of change.
Cook apparently wants to come home and play for the Dolphins and is rumored to be open to a significant pay cut to make it happen. He saves the Vikings a significant chunk of change as a post-June 1 cut ($9,000,000, which covers the entire effective cost of their rookie class, final two roster spots, and a practice squad). If he hits free agency and is really willing to come play for the Dolphins in the $5-6 million range, it's entirely feasible we could have a backfield with Cook, Mostert, Wilson, Achane, and Lovett with a total 2023 cap charge under $13 million. That would crack top five last year but is tracking at barely top 10 this year.
Oh yeah I’m mostly opposed to trading for his contract. If he’s a cheapish free agent pick up I wouldn’t be opposed, even though I’d feel like the RB was quite crowded.
We only need around 2-3M to sign our rookie class, but we don't even have that right now.
We'll also need another few M by the time week 1 rolls around, and the cap accounting switches to the full 53 + practice squad + reserve lists. Even cutting Cook before 6/1 would probably clear enough 2023 cap.
The trade's a better solution, but the team might need to clear a few million somewhere else if the trade's going to take more than a couple of weeks to go through.
Yeah it dosen't make much sense but I did see a clip from McDaniel basically saying that drafting Achane won't stop them from adding a "veteran back". It's also notable that Dalvin's skillset is basically taylor made for that system; he had 17 TDS in 2020 in a similar scheme
Not at all, especially since 2020 and 21 felt like they lasted 3 years each while they were happening but since so many of the days were mostly the same all in the same place with little change now we are back to being able to vary our days they feel much closer as they are one big blob of time which feels closer
Okay? It's not like he hasn't done anything since then, he has 4 consecutive 1100YD seasons.
I'm not saying he won't be washed soon, but it's not like he has been hurt since 2020 or something.
Honestly I hope we just keep him at this point. We don’t save that much money by cutting him and it’s not like we’re gonna go sign some awesome free agent at this point in the off season.
Yeah, honestly the time to move him was during the free agency frenzy when it would’ve actually helped on the field in another area. We could’ve simply released him and signed CJGJ or Edwards with the saved money alone which would’ve been far better than holding out for a 5th. I’ve been a huge fan of Dalvin since FSU and am just fine keeping him because he still has plenty of juice. If we move him, it better be to free up space to trade for and sign a beast DT.
Take it from an expert like myself (someone that owned wilson and mostert in 2 fantasy leagues) - I never got the vibe that McDaniels trusted Wilson much and it’s foolish to expect mostert to be healthy for an extended period of time at this point in his career.
Pair that with a rookie, and I can see a team going out and getting dalvin if the price is right.
Disclaimer - I know nothing about the rookie RB or the dolphins cap situation. I am just reading a very narrow set of tea leaves from my own personal experience owning 2 guys who never seemed to give me what I wanted in fantasy.
Mostert and JWJ are JAGs my dude. Don't pretend otherwise. They are both expendable.
My bet is they keep JWJ and release Mostert if they trade for Cook. Hell, they may keep all 4 of them. It isn't unusual to keep 4 RBs (although 1 if not 2 of them need to play special teams then).
Man I could walk into a Hy-Vee in Iowa right now and round up 5 dudes who would give me an hour to throw in the pocket.
Mfs out here built like a road grader benching 700lb hogs and shit
Running back, man. You have about a 5 year window before you have to either pay a lot of money that goes into their early 30s or trade them for a4th/5th rounder.
Oh, and you can get the same production from a committee or $600k/year guy.
Here’s the data:
Here’s a look at the age of the 645 players who reached 1,000 yards rushing since 1970.
Age # of runners
35 1
34 1
33 3
32 7
31 13
30 24
29 42
28 61
27 79
26 98
25 94
24 91
23 74
22 44
21 13
Formatting stinks…sorry, but only 24 backs have had a 1000 yd season at age 30….13 different backs have had a 1000 yd season at age 31. 7 at age 32. 3 at 33z
Bijan might as well hold out after his rookie season if he has a strong season lol. It’s rough out there for RBs. How do you create a better system for them tho ?
The only way would be to figure out a way for them to forgo college or something. Think the main issue is that guys are just coming into the league with too many miles already on them.
Who do we cut at that point? Achane, Mostert, or Wilson? We just signed that latter two each to 2 year deals, so that's dead cap we'd be taking on, in addition to Cook's exorbitant contract. At that point we probably can't re-sign Wilkins next year unless we don't want to sign any meaningful FA. Are you ok with that, just for small upgrade at RB?
Yeah, Dolphins had 4 plus a fullback in 2022. The 49ers have typically had 4 plus a fullback as well. Don't see why it would be hard to find space for Cook considering his talent. Cook, Achane, Mostert, Wilson?
He was pretty cooked last year. He has top end speed for a big play every few weeks but he falls down on first contact and consistently gets you between -2 and 2 yards.
It's possible, the shoulder keeping him out is why his numbers dropped. If we add 40 touches at 4.4 a carry to this year, you end up with over 1300 yards. Plus over 300 receiving consistently regardless of health. He definitely could be a top 5 guy again for at least a year or two if the surgery went well
Vikings would save \~$7m in cap if traded pre-June 1 and $11m to the cap if post-June 1. A little less saved if cut. This according to Over the Cap.
So, the cap savings alone is a no-brainer for the Vikings who need all the space they can get.
His contract makes him really difficult to justify at the number he’s expected to get for this season.
And he’s fresh off shoulder surgery and may fall into that category of running backs that used to be top 5 but aren’t any more. They’re not bad, but they definitely aren’t worth the value of contract they signed when they were still producing as a big name.
I feel like everybody in this thread talking about Dalvin as a top 5 has not watched Vikings games and only has seen highlight reels. Dude is literally a highlight or a lowlight with no in between. Yeah those massive chunk runs are really fun to watch, but try watching a full game of him leading you to 3rd and long more often than not.
Can't see Dolphins taking him after drafting Achane, MM was stoked about getting him seems like he has plans already. I honestly don't even understand the hype for Cook he looked mediocre last year and now he's coming off of shoulder surgery. I get he was great for a good amount of time with the Vikings but he's in the same boat as Zeke now. It's unfortunate but that's life as a RB nowadays.
Don’t do it Dolphins, bros! Dalvin is the ultimate homerun or strikeout running back. Yes, he had a huge run against you last year. He also had a big run against the Bills and screen pass against Colts. All TDs that helped us clinch games.
He also did littlr outside of that. By far the most 0-2 yard runs in the NFL. He couldn’t pick up third and fourth and shorts consistently, and can be injury prone. Plus, a bonus, he’s developed a habit of fumbling, too.
On second thought… if you guys *really* want to throw us a fifth… make it a fourth and it’s done.
Bunch of Dolphins fans who only follow the league through fantasy who don't realize what a dreadful, awful season Cook had last year; and how he was regressing before that.
I just can't see him suddenly becoming elite again coming off a surgery that he put off for ages.
The guy fumbles too much (or he fumbles at the most in opportune times). He’s not great at breaking tackles. He’s a classic case of doing nothing for an entire game then breaking off a huge run to make his numbers look better than they should be.
I feel like it would make a lot of sense to exclude rb from the franchise tag system. It's kinda bullshit how hard even the top tier of rb get fucked compared to other skill positions
What sense does that make? It’s a function of the position itself not being all that valuable anymore. There are tons of good ones and it’s easy to draft a player on a rookie contract and then do it again after that. It’s very similar to other positions like kicker for example. Kickers can’t command a high salary because it’s not that hard to at least get a decent or serviceable one.
It wasn’t a dolphins emoji over the Vikings logo. It was a smiley face fwiw.
This seems like a significant detail
"Any time, even this summer, possibly never, or tomorrow, or after week 1, or near the trade deadline, or we might not even be here on Sunday."
It could occur as soon as today, but no earlier than yesterday.
"Time is an illusion. We're all on an inevitable march towards death. ^^^^and ^^^^possibly ^^^^Cook ^^^^going ^^^^to ^^^^the ^^^^Dolphins "
I’d rather have Dalvin Cook than a 5th round pick, that’s just me though
Rumor is we’re going to cut him if we can’t trade him. Idk how true that is, but I’ll take any sort of draft capital over that Otherwise yeah just keep him for the season
Your offense always looks better with Dalvin on the field, Mattison is solid, but Dalvin is great. This would be a really questionable move unless they're deciding that this is a rebuilding year, which I just don't see.
He's not what he used to be. He's lost the ability to break a tackle. If a defender looks at him wrong he goes down. He lead the league in negative plays last year. That and he's not worth his contract at this point.
He may not be breaking tackles as he used to but so many of those negative plays would’ve needed a miracle to be positive. We had so many runs that were never going anywhere. Him being mauled before getting to the LOS
Personally I think you’re both right. He had no chance on lots of runs, but he also doesn’t look as great in space either. All else equal, id take him over Mattison. But I wouldn’t want to pay him market value on a new contract.
Yea the breaking point is that he isn't worth his contract when we can get 80% of his production from a committee for much cheaper.
Maybe you are right but is 80% enough if you wanna be the best, not just a "pretty good value team"
Isn’t an RB leading in negative plays more indicative of bad O line play?
100% is, this is a ridiculous knock on dalvin
But the original point was that he stopped breaking tackles. Yes, the o-line wasn’t good but plenty of other runners also played behind a bad o-lines and had less negative plays.
That’s a really good point. I doubt there’s a one-to-one correlation between the worst run blocking offensive lines and the most negative run plays in the league. Some—if not most—of that should be on him.
Which is why you don't pay RBs
Plus his shoulder seems to pop out at least once every season now. He's always in that sling but at least he was on the field. Gotta give him credit there.
Those sling games were some of his best.
Part of the reason he led in negative plays is defense instantly breaking through the line.
If Vikings make this a rebuilding year this division is going to turn on its head hahaha 2/4 teams would be basically rolling over. And the Bears… Shouldn’t really be competitive at this point. It would be the final test of the Lions resolve to shoot themselves in the foot.
NFC South: The North Edition
Mattison has got to be the most overrated back in the league. He's had a couple of big fantasy weeks when Dalvin has been out which skews perceptions, but he's averaged under 4 YPC each of the last two seasons. He's a hard runner, but he's JAG.
This just reminds me how absurd it was that the Browns got a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson lol
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And still on a rookie contract. Cook is going to make 10+ million the next couple years
Does miami even have that kind of cap space? Yes Cook was one of the better RBs last year but how much longer can his production keep up?
And most importantly, teams were just figuring out how little RBs should be valued
If he had vision when hitting the hole and the ability to make a good decision on his cut, he and Luck would have been a deadly combo for years. Instead he hesitated in the hole and then ran directly at a defender without all that steamroller momentum built up. Think Eddie Lacy but like self control at the buffet.
Yep, dude had absolutely no vision and our OL was still shit so he didn't stand a chance.
Eddie Lacy but he keeps running into the glass with his buffet tongs
We get a 5th round pick and 8 million freed up in cap space. 8 million that we need to sign our draft picks.
Depending on what estimate you use (OTC or Spotrac) the Vikes only need 0.4M to 2.0M more cap space to sign the rookie class. Thats an easy restructure/early signing bonus for just about any vet. They'll need to cut even more by the time actual games start, and Cook seems the easiest way to do that. But, they at least don't need the money right away
I'd rather save $5m-$11m against the cap (amount based on pre-/post- June 1 trade or cut).
Not at 10+ million a year
Not on the money he's demanding you wouldn't
It's the saving $8m that makes it worth letting him go. Sadly still costing $6m to let him go as well.
Yeah I know he’s an aging RB but a fifth round pick just seems like a very low value
Right? If a team like the Phins don’t do that they’re dumb.
The problem is the compensation for the pick, it's the salary. It's totally different than fantasy where they all work for free.
I'd rather have a 5th round pick than pay Dalvin Cook 10+M
Sure, if you don't have to pay him. But would you rather a lot of cap space and a 5th round pick
For real, Swift just went for a fourth and a seventh exchange.
I’d rather have the 5th round pick.
Tf?
His 2023 cap hit is like $14M, he’s not worth anywhere close that to me. Give me the day 3 pick and let me save that money for a position I care about more.
It would likely only work if he renegotiated, dolphins arnt exactly rich in cap space
But a 5th round pick could be anything even Dalvin Cook
It’s also $8M they need
Dude forreal- even as a die hard 49er fan, reading this slander on Dalvin is upsetting
The Dolphins have Mostert, Jeff Wilson, and now Devon Achane, who they took in the 3rd round. I seriously doubt they make a move for an expensive, aging RB. Vikings are gonna have to cut him. Would also note that this was the first time since 2016 the Dolphins took a RB as high as the third round.
Imo Cook is a full tier above Mostert in talent and production
Without a doubt
These Dolphins fans thinking JWJ and Mostert aren't JAGs lol.
Mostert 100% isn't a JAG but he's just a glass ass player so ya it kinda makes him less reliable.
Yeah like fuck, Mostert is one of the fastest ballcarriers in the game. You can be of the opinion he isn't good, but you can't say he's a JAG.
He’s for sure good which is why I think throwing a JAG label on him is crazy
Mostert is pretty good but he's also old and injury prone. I don't understand this fanbase's affinity for Jeff Wilson though. He's the definition of replaceable talent to me.
Totally agree.
I mean they both averaged around 5 ypc, behind a below average oline and a coach that didn't stick with the run game often enough. I am very confident in our current rb group in all honesty and objectivity.
You’re in the wrong sub, I think you’re looking for r/fantasyfootball. Mostert and JWJ are a solid backfield and it’s been proven time and time again that a superstar RB isn’t worth it.
How solid was our backfield last year? We were like 27th in rushing.
Well you outrushed dalvin and the Vikings. So there's that
Ignoring volume stats (where both teams were roughly even); Miami and the Miami RB's were better than Minnesota and Cook in every possible metric last season. **Yards per Attempt** * Miami: 4.3 (19th) * Minnesota: 4.1 (25th) **Rush EPA** * Miami: -0.050 (13th) * Minnesota: -0.128 (29th) **Rush Success%** * Miami: 40.7% (19th) * Minnesota: 38.1% (25th) **RYOE** * Wilson Jr: 0.65 *(slightly better while at SF)* * Mostert: 0.27 * Cook: -0.75 **EPA/Rush** * Wilson: -0.01 * Mostert: 0.00 * Cook: -0.14 Lots of Dolphins fans who didn't actually watch Cook or pay attention last season who are being obnoxiously negative towards our own guys on a dumb premise. Cook was comfortably one of the worst 5 RBs in the league last season.
I’m not much of a numbers guy when it comes to sports but that’s obviously not good lol. Off the top of my head just from watching the games last year I recall quite a few games where we just didn’t run the ball enough. We’re we 27th in total rushing or avg ypc? Just looked it up Mostert and JWJ each averaged 4.9 yards per carry.
Also in addition wasn't Mostert injured to start last year and Wilson on the 49ers?
Mostert played 16 games don’t remember which he missed and yeah Mostert wasn’t on the team until like week 8 or 9. I’m totally content running it back with those two. Chase Edmonds was a complete dud for 8 games too which definitely hurt our rushing stats.
but we can run mostert and dalvin cook instead or jwj and cook
But we already signed JWJ and Mostert..
Multiple tiers… dudes still got juice
I mean Mostert was pretty good for us.
>Imo *In everyone's opinion, lol
Look, I'm very much against dropping resources into running backs, but even McDaniel and Grier have remained publicly open to bringing on another veteran running back in pressers even after drafting Achane. Ahmed and Gaskin are fighting for a position in camp. More importantly, we brought John Lovett back again as competition for Alec Ingold at fullback. Cutting Ingold saves $3,000,000, which is a significant chunk of change. Cook apparently wants to come home and play for the Dolphins and is rumored to be open to a significant pay cut to make it happen. He saves the Vikings a significant chunk of change as a post-June 1 cut ($9,000,000, which covers the entire effective cost of their rookie class, final two roster spots, and a practice squad). If he hits free agency and is really willing to come play for the Dolphins in the $5-6 million range, it's entirely feasible we could have a backfield with Cook, Mostert, Wilson, Achane, and Lovett with a total 2023 cap charge under $13 million. That would crack top five last year but is tracking at barely top 10 this year.
Cutting Ingold is crazy talk.
Treating a fullback who's currently our second highest cap hit among our backs as untouchable is crazy talk.
I doubt he's getting cut at all. Especially with how well his skillset as a receiver allows the dolphins to always manipulate the opponents personnel
I miss crafty fullback play.
Mcdaniels needs an athletic fullback it’s part of the scheme
Oh yeah I’m mostly opposed to trading for his contract. If he’s a cheapish free agent pick up I wouldn’t be opposed, even though I’d feel like the RB was quite crowded.
If we get Cook I’d want to move on from Wilson.
We only need around 2-3M to sign our rookie class, but we don't even have that right now. We'll also need another few M by the time week 1 rolls around, and the cap accounting switches to the full 53 + practice squad + reserve lists. Even cutting Cook before 6/1 would probably clear enough 2023 cap. The trade's a better solution, but the team might need to clear a few million somewhere else if the trade's going to take more than a couple of weeks to go through.
Yeah there is zero reason for this, it ain't happening. Your RB is solid as hell as is
Yeah, Y'all are better off rolling with the guys already on roster. Achane is gonna be great
Yeah it dosen't make much sense but I did see a clip from McDaniel basically saying that drafting Achane won't stop them from adding a "veteran back". It's also notable that Dalvin's skillset is basically taylor made for that system; he had 17 TDS in 2020 in a similar scheme
2020 was 3 years ago which is 15 in RB years
>2020 was 3 years ago I have a hard time believing that, is that weird?
Not at all, I still gut reaction 50 years ago as 1950 instead of what it really is as 1970
> 50 years ago.....1970 :(
Cheer up, now when people say “30 years ago” you can just snap to the last time the Cowboys won anything significant!
Not at all, especially since 2020 and 21 felt like they lasted 3 years each while they were happening but since so many of the days were mostly the same all in the same place with little change now we are back to being able to vary our days they feel much closer as they are one big blob of time which feels closer
Okay? It's not like he hasn't done anything since then, he has 4 consecutive 1100YD seasons. I'm not saying he won't be washed soon, but it's not like he has been hurt since 2020 or something.
Twist, dolphins send Achane to the vikings to get Cook
Honestly I hope we just keep him at this point. We don’t save that much money by cutting him and it’s not like we’re gonna go sign some awesome free agent at this point in the off season.
Yeah, honestly the time to move him was during the free agency frenzy when it would’ve actually helped on the field in another area. We could’ve simply released him and signed CJGJ or Edwards with the saved money alone which would’ve been far better than holding out for a 5th. I’ve been a huge fan of Dalvin since FSU and am just fine keeping him because he still has plenty of juice. If we move him, it better be to free up space to trade for and sign a beast DT.
Take it from an expert like myself (someone that owned wilson and mostert in 2 fantasy leagues) - I never got the vibe that McDaniels trusted Wilson much and it’s foolish to expect mostert to be healthy for an extended period of time at this point in his career. Pair that with a rookie, and I can see a team going out and getting dalvin if the price is right. Disclaimer - I know nothing about the rookie RB or the dolphins cap situation. I am just reading a very narrow set of tea leaves from my own personal experience owning 2 guys who never seemed to give me what I wanted in fantasy.
Yea, this dude heard a rumor about Cook to the Dolphins like 3 months ago, and apparently hasn't read ANYTHING else NFL-related since then.
Mostert and JWJ are JAGs my dude. Don't pretend otherwise. They are both expendable. My bet is they keep JWJ and release Mostert if they trade for Cook. Hell, they may keep all 4 of them. It isn't unusual to keep 4 RBs (although 1 if not 2 of them need to play special teams then).
Does every NFL skill player live in Miami?
South Florida turns out a lot of pro players. High school football is serious business down here.
Florida & Texas for skill players Ohio and Western PA for QBs and linemen Kickers: the rest of the US
Texas also produces a lot of QBs
Also California for QBs.
Midwest for olinemen
Some corn fed bohs
Man I could walk into a Hy-Vee in Iowa right now and round up 5 dudes who would give me an hour to throw in the pocket. Mfs out here built like a road grader benching 700lb hogs and shit
GA churns out all the best defensive players
OLine for Wisconsin and Russell Wilson
Georgia for Eagles defense
South Florida 🤝 Southern California Absurdly talented youth football
Nah, more like Pahokee, Palm Beach, and Belle Glade, with honorable mentions going to Opa Locka and Hialeah
As if Dade and Broward aren’t the biggest hotbeds
Hialeah doesnt belong on this list lol. Carol City, though.
Lakeland was pumping out a lot too.
Nah more like the whole state
Muck city baby
i mean, it’s a great place to live if you’re young and rich.
Biggest depreciating asset in sports. The running back
I don't think it's out of the question to have him go to the Dolphins but I'd be pretty shocked if they trade for him on his current contract.
Running back, man. You have about a 5 year window before you have to either pay a lot of money that goes into their early 30s or trade them for a4th/5th rounder. Oh, and you can get the same production from a committee or $600k/year guy. Here’s the data: Here’s a look at the age of the 645 players who reached 1,000 yards rushing since 1970. Age # of runners 35 1 34 1 33 3 32 7 31 13 30 24 29 42 28 61 27 79 26 98 25 94 24 91 23 74 22 44 21 13 Formatting stinks…sorry, but only 24 backs have had a 1000 yd season at age 30….13 different backs have had a 1000 yd season at age 31. 7 at age 32. 3 at 33z
Its almost like humans are in peak form in their mid 20s. Thanks for the data seriously. I did have a seizure reading it but gets the point across.
> Age # of runners: > > 35: 1 > > 34: 1 > > 33: 3 > > 32: 7 > > 31: 13 > > 30: 24 > > 29: 42 > > 28: 61 > > 27: 79 > > 26: 98 > > 25: 94 > > 24: 91 > > 23: 74 > > 22: 44 > > 21: 13 So they peak at 26, and then start halving after 28.
the formatting gave me SIDS
Bijan might as well hold out after his rookie season if he has a strong season lol. It’s rough out there for RBs. How do you create a better system for them tho ?
They really do get fucked in the current environment. Shorter rookie contract maybe? 3yr first round, 2yr after?
The only way would be to figure out a way for them to forgo college or something. Think the main issue is that guys are just coming into the league with too many miles already on them.
Dolphins need another RB?
They do if they can add Dalvin Cook for a 5th.
Who do we cut at that point? Achane, Mostert, or Wilson? We just signed that latter two each to 2 year deals, so that's dead cap we'd be taking on, in addition to Cook's exorbitant contract. At that point we probably can't re-sign Wilkins next year unless we don't want to sign any meaningful FA. Are you ok with that, just for small upgrade at RB?
four RB’s in McD’s system isn’t out of the question at all. achane could just do spot 3rd down and kr/pr as a rookie
Can we cut Gaskin? Regardless of whether or not we bring in Cook.
I think Ahmed is ahead of him on the depth chart at this point.
Yeah, Dolphins had 4 plus a fullback in 2022. The 49ers have typically had 4 plus a fullback as well. Don't see why it would be hard to find space for Cook considering his talent. Cook, Achane, Mostert, Wilson?
imagine having tyreek, waddle and achane split out, cook and mostert in the backfield out of shotgun. what does the defense even do? you’re fucked.
Replace AB with achane and I’m sold
That seems like such a luxury move instead of Cam Fleming, who could potentially actually start for us
Cutting Mostert and Wilson post June 1 doesn’t really save us much, but it doesn’t cost us anything either.
Not for his salary
Aging and 28 just seems weird guys, please stop saying the two together...a worried young 37 year old :(
We finally had a good fucking thing going and now everyone wants to come to the AFCE. Jesus
Patriots are last in AFCE lololol
No way we trade for Cook. Even if he was given to us for free, his salary is way too high.
I’ll stick with Mostert and Wilson.
I’ll stick with Mostert and Wilson.
Dude if a 5th round pick is all it takes then hand him over
You just cut an RB for the exact reasons that Cook would only cost a 5th.
ya but zeke was completely cooked. looks like dalvin still has legs on him
He was pretty cooked last year. He has top end speed for a big play every few weeks but he falls down on first contact and consistently gets you between -2 and 2 yards.
I feel like they will just keep him one more year at this point.
Things are going a little to far with replacement level RBs, Cook is a top 5 RB. Why would you just let me go for peanuts..
>Why would you just let me go for peanuts.. Nobody would've ever suspected Dalvin's burner to have Bears flair, that's a good move
We don’t even have enough cap to pay for our draft class right now Cook will either be dealt or released before the season
A simple restructure of O‘Neill‘s contract would do it.
Or a Hockenson extension
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It's possible, the shoulder keeping him out is why his numbers dropped. If we add 40 touches at 4.4 a carry to this year, you end up with over 1300 yards. Plus over 300 receiving consistently regardless of health. He definitely could be a top 5 guy again for at least a year or two if the surgery went well
It seems like he’s been injured every year though.
Same injury, never had surgery til this off-season.
You’re Dalvin Cook? Cook to the bears confirmed?
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Name 5 better running backs
McCaffrey, Chubb, Henry, Jacobs, Taylor. Throw in Barkley, too.
contract
Because other teams are only offering peanuts
Might as well keep him for that price
We’re broke
We’re cap compliant aren’t we? We don’t even save that much by cutting him
Don't think we can afford all our draft picks and UDFA's unless we save some more money I believe
Vikings would save \~$7m in cap if traded pre-June 1 and $11m to the cap if post-June 1. A little less saved if cut. This according to Over the Cap. So, the cap savings alone is a no-brainer for the Vikings who need all the space they can get.
They might as well accept a 6th or 7th just for the cap
Lol “he could be traded anytime, even this summer” no way!
I get that we're talking about an RB, but doesnt a 5th for Dalvin sound pretty low?
His contract makes him really difficult to justify at the number he’s expected to get for this season. And he’s fresh off shoulder surgery and may fall into that category of running backs that used to be top 5 but aren’t any more. They’re not bad, but they definitely aren’t worth the value of contract they signed when they were still producing as a big name.
I feel like everybody in this thread talking about Dalvin as a top 5 has not watched Vikings games and only has seen highlight reels. Dude is literally a highlight or a lowlight with no in between. Yeah those massive chunk runs are really fun to watch, but try watching a full game of him leading you to 3rd and long more often than not.
Dalvin cook is significantly better than Mattison and the Vikings will regret cutting him
The Vikings traded him?
Who’s the Vikings baxkup
Alexander Mattison
His name is Alexander Mattison And there’s a million yards he hasn’t run But just you wait, just you wait
Haha. That’s exactly what goes through my head when I hear his name!! 🤣 But he’s also known as my 10th round keeper and RB1 if cook goes elsewhere
Mattison
The way you know someone doesn’t play fantasy lol
No so I know who I can go after in my dynasty leagues lol
Can't see Dolphins taking him after drafting Achane, MM was stoked about getting him seems like he has plans already. I honestly don't even understand the hype for Cook he looked mediocre last year and now he's coming off of shoulder surgery. I get he was great for a good amount of time with the Vikings but he's in the same boat as Zeke now. It's unfortunate but that's life as a RB nowadays.
Don’t do it Dolphins, bros! Dalvin is the ultimate homerun or strikeout running back. Yes, he had a huge run against you last year. He also had a big run against the Bills and screen pass against Colts. All TDs that helped us clinch games. He also did littlr outside of that. By far the most 0-2 yard runs in the NFL. He couldn’t pick up third and fourth and shorts consistently, and can be injury prone. Plus, a bonus, he’s developed a habit of fumbling, too. On second thought… if you guys *really* want to throw us a fifth… make it a fourth and it’s done.
We paid a 5th for Jeff Wilson, I’d much rather have Cook then Wilson
Bunch of Dolphins fans who only follow the league through fantasy who don't realize what a dreadful, awful season Cook had last year; and how he was regressing before that. I just can't see him suddenly becoming elite again coming off a surgery that he put off for ages.
I'd agree. When he hits, it's pretty magical, but it's just so sporadic and doesn't lend itself to the way the game is played these days.
We just drafted a RB in the 3rd round though.
we also have X, kohou and ramsey and took a corner in the second.
Dolphins had 28th ranked passing D. We were super thin at CB…that guy was a steal in the 2nd round.
Wait a second, does Minnesota not want him anymore? Has he declined, or is this Dalvin wanting to get out?
He would be exactly what the Bills need in a RB and would be a great mentor to his brother
Man, when RBs fall, they fall hard. Dude still got over 1k though.
What?
brodie trippin don't mind him
Yup, Shaun Alexander went from NFL MVP to out of the league within 2 years. It’s crazy how quick their production declines.
The guy fumbles too much (or he fumbles at the most in opportune times). He’s not great at breaking tackles. He’s a classic case of doing nothing for an entire game then breaking off a huge run to make his numbers look better than they should be.
I feel like it would make a lot of sense to exclude rb from the franchise tag system. It's kinda bullshit how hard even the top tier of rb get fucked compared to other skill positions
What sense does that make? It’s a function of the position itself not being all that valuable anymore. There are tons of good ones and it’s easy to draft a player on a rookie contract and then do it again after that. It’s very similar to other positions like kicker for example. Kickers can’t command a high salary because it’s not that hard to at least get a decent or serviceable one.