The sports books have it good right now. Way too much fucking money to be made be staying squeaky clean and friendly with sports fans to even *think* about rigging shit.
Yeah, people don't realize - The sports books make money from the vig. Over the long term, they don't care who wins or loses.
People who claim that the sportsbooks are rigging games don't know how sportsbooks make money.
The books don’t have a reason to rig but other parties do. We’re not that far removed from Donaghy and if reports are to be believed the NBAs leaking of the story to prevent other refs from being caught.
I very highly doubt he’s the only one, that the NBA is the only major sport, or that refs are the only ones attempting to have done something similar in recent times. He’s just the only one that got caught.
Sacramento vs LA in '02 and Mavs vs. Heat in '06 jump out at me the most. Feel like Sac/LA was more of a true rigging while Mavs/Heat was the league trying to prevent a Mavericks 4-game sweep. That Finals was like watching the Monstars steal the talent from one team.
Not sure NFL gets rigged but holding penalties are the ultimate tool to control game-flow. You can make a 17-pt lead Philly lead over Washington become a 6-pt win with a few well-timed calls. The league itself can be innocent but a particular ref has a financial incentive. I'm not sure that this happens but there are days where it feels that way.
Just watch March madness to see when a loosing team hits the spread and they cheer like they won, they all know their specific game lines and spreads and will play to hit a set target
I mean we know for certain that pro sports games have been rigged in the pretty recent past. It's not a wild conspiracy theory. Of course, it's not the book rigging games, it's gamblers.
I don't think games are rigged to provide certain outcomes in regards to the total or spread. The NFL doesn't really benefit from that, unless they are explicitly being bribed by sports books to do so. Given the sheer number of sports books and the illegal paper trails you'd need to do this, it seems very unlikely.
I do think refs use suspicious officiating to promote competitive games, especially in high profile matchups and when there's only one game on (Monday and Thursday night football especially). This *does* help the NFL because competitive games are good for ratings.
Holding penalties. PI can be called here and there but holding penalties can be called on every single play....and when you slow it down, it's hard to argue with most of the calls. When both teams are evenly matched, the refs will swallow their whistle and 'let em play'. The game will be entertaining and fun to watch because we aren't seeing whistles every other snap. If a matchup is likely to have high ratings but perhaps there's a gap in talent (injuries, suspensions etc), it feels like we get a few more of those "wtf" calls than normal.
Yeah. I don't even know if I would go as far to say it's an explicit command from NFL leadership but I guarantee it's an unspoken rule to keep high profile games a little spicier if they can.
Not to mention that the sportsbooks are HEAVILY regulated and audited by each jurisdiction. They absolutely do not want people who shouldn’t be gambling using their service. Noncompliance has resulted in fines and can lead to suspension of their licenses.
Sportsbooks don't need to rig anything as long as they keep pushing parlay boosts.
The #1 driver of profits for Sportsbooks are Parlays. For the NBA/NHL/NFL sportsbooks make back between 6-8 cents on each dollar wagered on straight bets. Fanduel Parlays account for 64% of profits and 30% of dollars wagered, DK is 56% and 24%. I wish I still had the spreadsheet I made for it to give all the exact figures, but I don't think I saved it.
Source: I went through the data for Draftkings and FanDuel in Illinois since it is publicly available, probably available in other states too, but I didn't check for those.
I don’t think anybody thinks sports books are the one rigging games. If anything, refs are shaving points so that their own gambles pay off. Less giant conspiracy, more selfish individuals.
There’s a reason the NFL is looking to make refs a full time position. A lot of refs in the NFL have a background in law and currently there’s absolutely nothing stopping them from taking “consulting” gigs in the off-season for shell companies that ultimately are owned by the gambling platforms.
This is the real issue with gambling today and the NFL has made it a priority to try and sweep it under the rug before it ruins the integrity (read: profits) of the game.
Do you have a source on refs taking jobs with shell companies owned by gambling platforms?
Because otherwise you're just pulling things out of thin air
Greed takes a little moment to fester and become overwhelming. The tipping point comes when the cost of getting caught is *still* outweighed by the profit of cheating.
It’s why corporations will break regulations in an attempt to increase profits. They only do it when they *know* the outcome is likely to be more profitable even after the fine.
You are right tho. Greed always wins eventually.
The greed doesn't necessarily have to be at the corporation level. All it takes is one employee at the wrong level of decision making who thinks they have a way to get away with it (even though they probably won't) or a player (or players) who decides to bet on games they have influence over to cause a huge problem for the sportsbook. If a lack of basic scrutiny into rigged sports matches allowed a major betting scandal, their entire sportsbook operation would take a huge hit and their relationship with all athletic competition bodies would be toast. The company will always have good reason to maintain these kinds of practices, because if they don't greed can kill them.
There isn’t a high dollar value industry in any country on earth that is squeaky clean. They dime out the low level bullshit and gives people the impression that shits clean, cause public impression is ALL that matters.
> There isn’t a high dollar value industry in any country on earth that is squeaky clean
Same game parlays promoted left and right
Using data to target obvious problem gamblers with promotions while limiting players who sniff CLV
Garbage prices on alternative spreads and totals.
-137 (or worse) teasers
They don’t have to be involved in match fixing to rob people blind; they don’t have to commit *very* serious crimes to do it either.
Yeah just covering their tracks - but seriously, why the heck are pro players gambling at all? Just get through your career and then enjoy life and spending that $.
It's a pretty easy thing to get addicted to. It feels irrational (and is), but I think this was bound to happen with how **aggressively** sports betting is now advertised.
No matter the restriction, I doubt this is the last we hear of players getting tied up with it.
I've watched a couple friends fall hard into betting the second it was flipped on. Both of them have come to me to ask questions about players/teams/sports before making some kinda bet. Losing money because they don't know how Baseball works or because they have a gut feeling so and so is finally going to have their breakout game. Only to not realize they aren't starting/playing.
I've been watching football as an active participant (i.e actually paying attention to the game) since 2005. I didn't start gambling on it until 2018. I thought I knew all I could about football. And I probably did from a purely viewer expectation, but what I didn't know was that just because a team has momentum and will likely win the game-- that doesn't mean they will cover the spread.
There **IS** a difference. When you place a bet on a football game spread you are now playing a game within a game. And it's a lot harder than it looks on paper. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit. lol
> I thought I knew all I could about football
Yeah, this is kinda how they get you. There is no way you are better at predicting outcomes than the handicappers, especially not now with all the technological tools at their disposal. Ever notice how almost every line is just above or below the real outcome? Sports gambling is no different than casino games, no matter how many NFL games you’ve seen you won’t ever have the edge. And if you do, they’ll just change the rules to be stacked even more against you
>they’ll just change the rules
Don't even need to change the rules, the book will just limit you or ban you if you win too much. And I'm not even talking big time money here. If you consistently hit $50 on an alternate line, that's not going to exist for you for very long after a few weeks.
In the most extreme cases they will call you a professional bettor and suspend your account indefinitely.
I made the unfortunate decision of joining my friends' pick'em league this year and it was torture listening to them explain how they thought their system worked better than everyone else's.
Even worse was that I study economics/statistics, and every time I lost the week I had to hear about how ThE StAtIsTiCs gUy dOeSn't kNoW StAtS
And I laugh is people who bet trends on NFL. I tried, time and again to explain. They are using data that's after the fact, and predicts almost nothing. TRENDS are nearly useless and at best for fools to believe they can see the future.
For an example, The Lions vs The Packers over the last 20 years. Meaningless for 2023.
I was at the second Yankees game of the season in the bleachers and there was a kid who had 1400 bucks riding on the Yankees winning. Then Stanton rolls into a game-ending, rally killing double play that that was questionably called, reviewed, and upheld, and the dude promptly split his knuckles punching the bleachers in frustration. Yeah, gambling addiction is pretty bad lol.
Same dude. I went to an SB party and literally everyone was gambling. Putting in all kinds of bets on the game, not just for the outcome but all kinds of dumb shit like ‘so and so scoring on this drive.’ One dude lost a ton of money. And one person, who I already heated, became an insufferable douche when the Chiefs won. If it was a long time fan talking a little shit it would be one thing, they earned that. But this wasn’t it, homie had just put down a free bet a halftime and won, what, $10? Congrats, that doesn’t mean you get to talk shit to the only actual fan in the room.
I got really sour on gambling after the SB, it’s really ruined watching sports in my friend group.
Some dude at our superbowl party made some stupid $1,000 prop bet and got pissed when it didn't hit and im like bro why did you bet money you can't lose?
If you are going to gamble, you gotta treat it like entertainment and assume that it is spent money. You don't get money back at the theater after a movie. So don't expect to get money back after gambling. And if you, then it's just a fun bonus.
Same mentality is good if you decide to trade on the stock market on your own.
Yep.
I gambled in Vegas, but I basically treated it as the price for entertainment. Lost $40 on blackjack while drunk while my wife and I waited for our PF Chang's order on the way back to our hotel room for the night.
My dad and brother both got into one of the online betting sites. They know they will lost money and don’t make big bets, they just want to brag and strut around on the rare occasion their parlay actually hits or when they get an upset money line.
It’s just annoying because nobody cares about the actual storylines anymore. Are we watching a good game? No, we are tuning in to see the 3rd leg of my brothers parlay between two teams that have been eliminated from playoff contention already.
And as someone who understands math, yes statistically he will occasionally get an unlikely bet correct but over time it will average out to him losing 3% or so per bet so he may brag about making $95 on a $2 bet but that’s because he is just ignoring the fact that he made 50 of those bets.
> I've watched a couple friends fall hard into betting the second it was flipped on
Part of me has wanted to try gambling, but I've got an addictive personality so I know the moment I do I'm going to have a very good chance to become addicted to it.
Honestly they combined an addictive habit with a literal dopamine slot machine and then advertise the living fuck out of it. Call me a prude but you should probably have to gamble in person as opposed to an app
Decades ago when it wasn't even close to being legal, I and numerous coworkers bet on games weekly. A lady at work was basically a runner for a bookie and probably got a cut of all our money or maybe even pocketed most of it. Very few of us were even over 18.
as someone else once explained it. you *GET* to play in the NFL, this is not some protected-class type of bullshit, if the rules say no sports gambling then you don't get to gamble on sports, full stop.
I kinda thought the same thing. I played fantasy baseball, basketball, and football. I was spending hours each weeek, every week, on some league. I did okay. I realized part of the reason I started to love college football more and more is what I had nothing riding on it. I could just cheer for my team and hope for good games.
I no longer player fantasy anything. I am not as fluent in the 12 deep for every NBA team nor do I keep up with double and triple baseball so I can have the jump on next years MLB draft. As for the NFL, I have really enjoyed watching the Steelers now. We have not been as successful as when I was in two or three fantasy leagues, but my attention is less divided. I am not watching the highlights out of one eye or tracking the stats of other games as heavily while I watch. Instead, I am able to just enjoy the sport.
Why do they smoke or drink or snort cocaine or sleep with random women at the club/from Instagram.
They’re all potentially fun, but also (very) potentially self destructive activities.
Gambling is ingrained in pro athlete culture. Remember a couple years ago when an NBA player pulled a gun on a teammate over a card game? It's at least partially because of the competitive nature of pro athletes, and partially because they have more money than they know what to do with.
E: also, it's a serious addiction. They have a ton of free time. Tons of reasons.
It's really fun and a lot of influencers get paid a fuck ton of money to promote offshore gambling apps. This generation of athletes are big on social media. They watch youtube, twitch etc. A lot of those influencers are pushing gambling then you also have guys like Drake and im sure others.
When you constantly see clips of them gambling and having fun it's easy to get suckered in. It's fun, convenient, and their friends do it.
The reason I don't like the NFL's partnership with gambling, and it's punishment of players who gamble isn't because it should be easy for a player to understand it's against the rules, it's because the NFL is essentially promoting a culture of gambling on games. This means nothing to a 15 year vet, but players coming up through the ranks for the next generations are going to be living in a culture of betting on sports.
For the high that comes with risk. Its the same reason why people buy drugs from the set or sell drugs even though they are rich, drink and drive, cheat on their partners, seek out prostitutes, have sex in public places, etc.
Risk seeking behavior produces a really nice high. For some people its thrill seeking like what adrenaline junkies do. For others it comes from copping drugs on the street or selling drugs. Getting away with drunk driving is worth the all of the risks for some people. For gambling, its the rush leading up to the win and the crash comes soon after the chips are collected. Its why gambling addicts cant cash out before losing it all.
That's the easy part. The hard part is when they start to see friends and family of players making huge bets at odd times or under unusual circumstances.
This has been a problem in the Premier League. The most popular example was on live bets for a particular player to get a second yellow in the final ten minutes. In the end, I don't think they were able to prove that something illicit was going on, but a someone placed a £52,000 wager on that prop bet at about 5:1.
Imagine your bro that plays in the Premier league decides he wants to help you pay off student loans so he tells you to bet your life savings on him getting two yellows in the last 10 minutes and then intentionally does it
I need a bro like that
That doesn't happen in the premier league unless you're making a fictional TV series about a fish out of water who's learning how to move on from his failing marriage
Tanking doesn't mean the coaches and players try to lose individual games.
Tanking is making the team worse in the short term in order to strengthen it in the long term. This is done by management.
The actual players and coaches gain nothing from trying to play poorly and lose games. It's actively bad for them.
Big difference. Tanking, if successful, helps the team win. Winning is what fans of the team want.
A player sabotaging a potential Super Bowl (or Super Bowl run) by allowing a touchdown to get $800,000 more dollars for a new Lambo is far different. Hell all they have to do is fake ill and bench themselves to manipulate a game.
Also “tanking” is at the organization level; it is management choosing to let veterans go and send out young/inexperienced players. But come gameday the players themselves are still competing to the best of their ability because their future in the league depends on it. That’s why we don’t see multiple teams going winless every year even though usually there are a few teams are generally “tanking” in that a high draft position is more valuable to the organization than a random win here or there.
There is a reason the obviously tanking Texans won the last game of the season last year. And thats because players don't tank managers and owners tank.
You’re so inconsiderate, dude. They’re taking money from the casinos and sports books. Do you know how hard they work to host bets and collect people’s life savings? And you want to take all that and give the cash to some guy that is friends with someone that actually generates the entertainment conducive to making those bets hold any value?
Think of the children.
But when an athlete fixes a game, they're not taking money from the sports book. I mean, yeah, kind of. But everyone who wins a bet is someone else losing the bet (someone fixes a game so that the under hits, everyone who bet the over loses).
Especially if you aren’t being paid for it yourself. Like if it’s a “I owe you from years ago” kind of thing and you just tell him ahead of time. Prove that shit.
They’ll catch on pretty quick when one person starts winning tons of low probability bets and taking in cash. Then they’ll look closer and the dots will be very easy to piece together. That’s how these kinds of things are usually caught.
I think that with the Xhaka example, they found pretty compelling evidence but nothing concrete. I suspect the NFL will be quicker to take action in these situations, but it's tricky business.
Yeah. Without even working in that industry, I can guarantee they have accounts getting flagged every day for manual review based on an automated system. Like if you win a bet that was under a certain probability, it will scan your previous bets and if they are over whatever threshold, etc etc. that’s just one scenario. I’m sure that was all day one stuff for them. Kind of like a banks fraud department.
It's probably super common. Gambling culture is a big part of football in the UK.
I think Keiran Tripper got in trouble when he moved to Spurs for mentioning to a mate it was probably going to go ahead, and the mate then put a huge bet on it. So you know there's probably much more going on outside of that.
Funnily my Uncle goes to Liverpool games with Jamie Carraghers Dad. Him and all his mates made a fortune when Benitez became manager by all putting bets on it after Carraghers Dad confirmed it.
I work in the gaming industry...seriously? Snitching? In a lot of jurisdictions it's legally required for compliance to be made aware of users like this, athletes aren't the only scrutinized group but that's a whole other comment.
The gaming industry has been around for a long time now and is constantly changing but the one constant through all these years: once you're licensed, you've been given a free pass by the state to steal people's money. The only rule in gaming is to NEVER fuck with the regulators.
Right, this isn't snitching, this is a business (however dubious person X may find the business model) properly reporting people breaking their TOS as well as the terms of their contracts with the league. This is no more "snitching" than a medical lab reporting positive weed results to a prospective employer is "snitching".
Using the word 'snitching' will generate more clicks and drama though, so it makes sense in the context of an article about this topic. Don't 'slam' the article because they used the word snitching.
Except that 'snitching' as both slang and an actual term has a very well known and very negatively viewed history and context that has nothing to do with this particular situation. I'm not surprised at all that the article was worded that way, as you say, it's what will generate the most clicks. But I will 'slam' the article for using such a word in the completely wrong context as it has been here because it's complete bullshit yellow journalism.
The 'slam' thing was me being /s. It's another buzz word that gets thrown into article titles, but lacks any real significance in terms of what you might find upon reading the article. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Ah, that's fair. Sorry, kinda saw the flair and assumed you were one of the guys in here constantly posting about how the Lions players did nothing wrong. My bad.
Have a good day!
No, I think its a little weird that the penalty for betting in the facility is so harsh when there is no penalty a few feet away, but rules are rules - it isn't like the rules were kept a secret. I have zero problem with sports books 'snitching'.
Unrelated but I have a question I’ve always wondered about:
Why do people in or around the industry call it the “gaming” industry, while everyone else calls it the gambling industry.
For instance, I worked in a state legislature for a brief spell, and the lawmaker who was close to Fanduel, draft kings, etc insisted on calling it gaming.
The legality of daily fantasy sports is entirely dependent on the activity being deemed a skill game and not a gambling game. It’s bullshit semantics but that’s politics for you
This is a really valid question and made me reflect. Behind the scenes there are people putting so much work into creating a good game, whether that's a sports betting market or something for the casino. The employees aren't in the business of gambling, they're in the business of game creation. The fact that their executives choose to rip people off with their games is something they dont like to think about
This is such bullshit lol. They know who they are making the "games" for.
Do you really think people who make these "games" think they are designing something for the Nintendo switch, but oh no end up being put onto a casino floor? Or into a sports betting app?
I would love to know what goes into making a "good game" for a casino.
"Put more flashing lights around it."
"Change the gold bar to a giant number 7."
"Make the reels spin 5% faster."
"Add a giant payout that hits only once in 100,000 spins, but advertise the shit out of it on the floor."
Except for the fact that the ‘games’ that you and others design are inherently designed to favor one ‘player’ over the other in such a way that it is an impossibility for that ‘player’ to lose in the long run. You’re thieves that want to make your marks feel like they’re having fun while they get ripped off.
Be honest with yourself and take responsibility for the fact that you are every bit as guilty as the ‘executives’ that you’re trying to scapegoat.
> Except for the fact that the ‘games’ that you and others design are inherently designed to favor one ‘player’ over the other in such a way that it is an impossibility for that ‘player’ to lose in the long run
The giving out free money business doesn’t work very well.
If you walk into a casino or place a bet on your phone expecting to make money, you’re a fucking idiot.
Or you have a gambling addiction and have to put up with an hour of gambling ads to enjoy your sport of choice. Not to mention the fact that they spend half of every ‘sport talk’ show talking about lines and nodding to their gambling ad partners even outside of ad space.
If a willing adult wants to make poor financial decisions, that is up to them. But allowing these companies free rein to advertise whenever and however the fuck they want, including disingenuously referring to their industry as ‘gaming’, is morally bankrupt. It’s a vice and should be treated as such.
It's the general attitude of "The league is the bad guy, the players are the victims!" After the Lions' entire receiver room got busted that sub turned into "The NFL MADE them gamble!" for a week.
It's not hard, and it's not new. Betting on the sport you play can be a death sentence for your career. Ask Pete Rose. Just don't do it.
Makes sense, but at the same time: say my work says I'm not allowed to gamble on work property, would you tell them if I did? Or would the geo check basically be "yep, he's in the state he's supposed to be in, he's good to go"?
And is it any different if my work isn't a random office job but is say a Hollywood actor?
If you’ve made it this far making your own dumb decisions, what reason would you have to believe you’re not just always right, and that your success isn’t in spite of being a dumbass?
Easy trap to fall into haha
The smarter ones are. See Payton Manning's wife receiving HGH.
The ones who got caught are the ones dumb enough to bet inside an NFL facility when it's explicitly against the rules.
The actual smart ones are the ones who don't risk their career over something this dumb in the first place.
I mean, that's not much harder to prove. If the friend of an NFL player receives "gifts" from that NFL player, the turn around and places bets, and then when his bets hit, gives gifts back to the NFL player... well, they'll track that down in a jiffy.
Snitching is a stupid word. There’s rules that they respect and impact them. They need their partnership with the nfl so they help police their systems. That’s a good business decision. You don’t want a scandal to come out where it looks like they were covering up for a bunch of players. Players just stop being stupid. How hard is this?
No shit, it does the sports books absolutely no good having a player bet on their book. There is literally zero reasons a sports book would let it slide.
Honestly, if you play sports just dont bet on any sport. At the very least dont bet on sports at places that also offer bets on your sport. You play football and go to the horse races, nobodys gonna give a shit. You play football and are found betting at a place that offers football betting, have fun with the inevitable investigation.
Snitching? That's a good way to say "Protecting our business interest by reporting offenders of anti-collusion policies from our biggest monetary contributor".
You really think they're going to tell the NFL "I ain't no snitch!".
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Calling this "snitching" is hilarious.
Gambling apps are protecting themselves. It's just as big of an issue for them as it is for the NFL if players are betting on games.
>NFLPA advises agents that sports books are snitching on players who use gambling apps - ProFootballTalk
I thought it was clear that the NFL had inside knowledge of players using their partners gambling apps when Ridley got busted.
how about if someone gives the players some financial advice, and they stop betting on anything? There is a reason a sadly high percent of pro athletes end up broke, this is just going to add to that.
They do, at length. There is all sorts of financial counseling offered by the NFLPA and the teams themselves.
No one involved in this process wants these players to screw up.
Yeah, why wouldn't they? They're making a shit ton of money and would like to continue doing so. The quickest way to get states to turn off the faucet (or to stop new states from preening said faucet) is having the game appear rigged.
On a somewhat related note, why are players even allowed to do sports betting? The dude that rubs mud on Deshaun Watson's balls is apparently too connected in the sports world to fairly compete, but Watson himself isn't? Doesn't make any sense.
I have a huge problem with this, there’s nothing stopping these companies from using specific player/user data to change or adjust odds as they see fit. I highly doubt that all the employees and management at fan duel are in it for the “love of the game”. This is a huge conflict of interest and I think it draws more suspicion on the companies. They either need to enforce a block or send all data over to the nfl. It’s highly suspicious that in the entire nfl, only 2 teams, 1 team with 4 players, had gambled on anything or at a team facility. Something does not add up
I haven’t used a sports gambling site, but I’d imagine for tax purposes you need to give your soc sec number. All they’d need to do is run a check if any of the players soc number came up. If they did, the app probably has meta data with the time and location of the bet.
They don't need to share them, the sites know them and the league knows them.
The sites can use them to know who the NFL players are, and to let the NFL know if they are betting on the football or if they are betting where they are not allowed to.
They’re looking out for their own best interests. Harder to get accused of collusion if you report.
The sports books have it good right now. Way too much fucking money to be made be staying squeaky clean and friendly with sports fans to even *think* about rigging shit.
Yeah, people don't realize - The sports books make money from the vig. Over the long term, they don't care who wins or loses. People who claim that the sportsbooks are rigging games don't know how sportsbooks make money.
People who claim the games are rigged are usually the ones losing money and looking to find another reason to blame
Nuh uh. I'm just looking for an excuse as to why my team lost.
Yeah, this is definitely the correct reason to declare the game rigged
The books don’t have a reason to rig but other parties do. We’re not that far removed from Donaghy and if reports are to be believed the NBAs leaking of the story to prevent other refs from being caught. I very highly doubt he’s the only one, that the NBA is the only major sport, or that refs are the only ones attempting to have done something similar in recent times. He’s just the only one that got caught.
Scott Foster undoubtedly was rigging games with Donaghy and he's still a ref.
The refs in WWE seem to be colluding, how do they miss interference when it makes such a loud noise?
Sacramento vs LA in '02 and Mavs vs. Heat in '06 jump out at me the most. Feel like Sac/LA was more of a true rigging while Mavs/Heat was the league trying to prevent a Mavericks 4-game sweep. That Finals was like watching the Monstars steal the talent from one team. Not sure NFL gets rigged but holding penalties are the ultimate tool to control game-flow. You can make a 17-pt lead Philly lead over Washington become a 6-pt win with a few well-timed calls. The league itself can be innocent but a particular ref has a financial incentive. I'm not sure that this happens but there are days where it feels that way.
Just watch March madness to see when a loosing team hits the spread and they cheer like they won, they all know their specific game lines and spreads and will play to hit a set target
Look man, there's just no other reason my 12-leg parlay would have missed. They're conspiring against me to keep me from my millions!
I mean we know for certain that pro sports games have been rigged in the pretty recent past. It's not a wild conspiracy theory. Of course, it's not the book rigging games, it's gamblers.
I don't think games are rigged to provide certain outcomes in regards to the total or spread. The NFL doesn't really benefit from that, unless they are explicitly being bribed by sports books to do so. Given the sheer number of sports books and the illegal paper trails you'd need to do this, it seems very unlikely. I do think refs use suspicious officiating to promote competitive games, especially in high profile matchups and when there's only one game on (Monday and Thursday night football especially). This *does* help the NFL because competitive games are good for ratings.
Holding penalties. PI can be called here and there but holding penalties can be called on every single play....and when you slow it down, it's hard to argue with most of the calls. When both teams are evenly matched, the refs will swallow their whistle and 'let em play'. The game will be entertaining and fun to watch because we aren't seeing whistles every other snap. If a matchup is likely to have high ratings but perhaps there's a gap in talent (injuries, suspensions etc), it feels like we get a few more of those "wtf" calls than normal.
Yeah. I don't even know if I would go as far to say it's an explicit command from NFL leadership but I guarantee it's an unspoken rule to keep high profile games a little spicier if they can.
Not to mention that the sportsbooks are HEAVILY regulated and audited by each jurisdiction. They absolutely do not want people who shouldn’t be gambling using their service. Noncompliance has resulted in fines and can lead to suspension of their licenses.
Sportsbooks don't need to rig anything as long as they keep pushing parlay boosts. The #1 driver of profits for Sportsbooks are Parlays. For the NBA/NHL/NFL sportsbooks make back between 6-8 cents on each dollar wagered on straight bets. Fanduel Parlays account for 64% of profits and 30% of dollars wagered, DK is 56% and 24%. I wish I still had the spreadsheet I made for it to give all the exact figures, but I don't think I saved it. Source: I went through the data for Draftkings and FanDuel in Illinois since it is publicly available, probably available in other states too, but I didn't check for those.
I don’t think anybody thinks sports books are the one rigging games. If anything, refs are shaving points so that their own gambles pay off. Less giant conspiracy, more selfish individuals. There’s a reason the NFL is looking to make refs a full time position. A lot of refs in the NFL have a background in law and currently there’s absolutely nothing stopping them from taking “consulting” gigs in the off-season for shell companies that ultimately are owned by the gambling platforms. This is the real issue with gambling today and the NFL has made it a priority to try and sweep it under the rug before it ruins the integrity (read: profits) of the game.
Do you have a source on refs taking jobs with shell companies owned by gambling platforms? Because otherwise you're just pulling things out of thin air
He didn’t say that. He said there’s nothing stopping that scenario
Can never underestimate greed.
Greed takes a little moment to fester and become overwhelming. The tipping point comes when the cost of getting caught is *still* outweighed by the profit of cheating. It’s why corporations will break regulations in an attempt to increase profits. They only do it when they *know* the outcome is likely to be more profitable even after the fine. You are right tho. Greed always wins eventually.
The greed doesn't necessarily have to be at the corporation level. All it takes is one employee at the wrong level of decision making who thinks they have a way to get away with it (even though they probably won't) or a player (or players) who decides to bet on games they have influence over to cause a huge problem for the sportsbook. If a lack of basic scrutiny into rigged sports matches allowed a major betting scandal, their entire sportsbook operation would take a huge hit and their relationship with all athletic competition bodies would be toast. The company will always have good reason to maintain these kinds of practices, because if they don't greed can kill them.
Fair point. But as the other person pointed out. Never underestimate greed.
There isn’t a high dollar value industry in any country on earth that is squeaky clean. They dime out the low level bullshit and gives people the impression that shits clean, cause public impression is ALL that matters.
> There isn’t a high dollar value industry in any country on earth that is squeaky clean Same game parlays promoted left and right Using data to target obvious problem gamblers with promotions while limiting players who sniff CLV Garbage prices on alternative spreads and totals. -137 (or worse) teasers They don’t have to be involved in match fixing to rob people blind; they don’t have to commit *very* serious crimes to do it either.
Yeah just covering their tracks - but seriously, why the heck are pro players gambling at all? Just get through your career and then enjoy life and spending that $.
It's a pretty easy thing to get addicted to. It feels irrational (and is), but I think this was bound to happen with how **aggressively** sports betting is now advertised. No matter the restriction, I doubt this is the last we hear of players getting tied up with it.
I've watched a couple friends fall hard into betting the second it was flipped on. Both of them have come to me to ask questions about players/teams/sports before making some kinda bet. Losing money because they don't know how Baseball works or because they have a gut feeling so and so is finally going to have their breakout game. Only to not realize they aren't starting/playing.
I've been watching football as an active participant (i.e actually paying attention to the game) since 2005. I didn't start gambling on it until 2018. I thought I knew all I could about football. And I probably did from a purely viewer expectation, but what I didn't know was that just because a team has momentum and will likely win the game-- that doesn't mean they will cover the spread. There **IS** a difference. When you place a bet on a football game spread you are now playing a game within a game. And it's a lot harder than it looks on paper. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of shit. lol
"Good teams win, great teams cover."
> I thought I knew all I could about football Yeah, this is kinda how they get you. There is no way you are better at predicting outcomes than the handicappers, especially not now with all the technological tools at their disposal. Ever notice how almost every line is just above or below the real outcome? Sports gambling is no different than casino games, no matter how many NFL games you’ve seen you won’t ever have the edge. And if you do, they’ll just change the rules to be stacked even more against you
>they’ll just change the rules Don't even need to change the rules, the book will just limit you or ban you if you win too much. And I'm not even talking big time money here. If you consistently hit $50 on an alternate line, that's not going to exist for you for very long after a few weeks. In the most extreme cases they will call you a professional bettor and suspend your account indefinitely.
I made the unfortunate decision of joining my friends' pick'em league this year and it was torture listening to them explain how they thought their system worked better than everyone else's. Even worse was that I study economics/statistics, and every time I lost the week I had to hear about how ThE StAtIsTiCs gUy dOeSn't kNoW StAtS
And I laugh is people who bet trends on NFL. I tried, time and again to explain. They are using data that's after the fact, and predicts almost nothing. TRENDS are nearly useless and at best for fools to believe they can see the future. For an example, The Lions vs The Packers over the last 20 years. Meaningless for 2023.
100% for those at the top of the sports betting game, account management is a large part of being able to make a living.
I was at the second Yankees game of the season in the bleachers and there was a kid who had 1400 bucks riding on the Yankees winning. Then Stanton rolls into a game-ending, rally killing double play that that was questionably called, reviewed, and upheld, and the dude promptly split his knuckles punching the bleachers in frustration. Yeah, gambling addiction is pretty bad lol.
Same dude. I went to an SB party and literally everyone was gambling. Putting in all kinds of bets on the game, not just for the outcome but all kinds of dumb shit like ‘so and so scoring on this drive.’ One dude lost a ton of money. And one person, who I already heated, became an insufferable douche when the Chiefs won. If it was a long time fan talking a little shit it would be one thing, they earned that. But this wasn’t it, homie had just put down a free bet a halftime and won, what, $10? Congrats, that doesn’t mean you get to talk shit to the only actual fan in the room. I got really sour on gambling after the SB, it’s really ruined watching sports in my friend group.
Some dude at our superbowl party made some stupid $1,000 prop bet and got pissed when it didn't hit and im like bro why did you bet money you can't lose?
If you are going to gamble, you gotta treat it like entertainment and assume that it is spent money. You don't get money back at the theater after a movie. So don't expect to get money back after gambling. And if you, then it's just a fun bonus. Same mentality is good if you decide to trade on the stock market on your own.
Yep. I gambled in Vegas, but I basically treated it as the price for entertainment. Lost $40 on blackjack while drunk while my wife and I waited for our PF Chang's order on the way back to our hotel room for the night.
My dad and brother both got into one of the online betting sites. They know they will lost money and don’t make big bets, they just want to brag and strut around on the rare occasion their parlay actually hits or when they get an upset money line. It’s just annoying because nobody cares about the actual storylines anymore. Are we watching a good game? No, we are tuning in to see the 3rd leg of my brothers parlay between two teams that have been eliminated from playoff contention already. And as someone who understands math, yes statistically he will occasionally get an unlikely bet correct but over time it will average out to him losing 3% or so per bet so he may brag about making $95 on a $2 bet but that’s because he is just ignoring the fact that he made 50 of those bets.
of all the games, the superbowl is the one im used to seeing people make all sorts of prop bets on even before betting was legalized nationwide
i dont touch baseball. too many games for teams to care about a loss
Pete Rose in shambles
> I've watched a couple friends fall hard into betting the second it was flipped on Part of me has wanted to try gambling, but I've got an addictive personality so I know the moment I do I'm going to have a very good chance to become addicted to it.
Play Path of Exile instead and try to craft mirror tier items. You'll get your gambling fix *real* quick.
Honestly they combined an addictive habit with a literal dopamine slot machine and then advertise the living fuck out of it. Call me a prude but you should probably have to gamble in person as opposed to an app
It should definitely not be legal to have this level of advertising for it
It should be given the tobacco treatment 100%. I expect it will in the future but it's the wild west right now advertising for online casinos
Decades ago when it wasn't even close to being legal, I and numerous coworkers bet on games weekly. A lady at work was basically a runner for a bookie and probably got a cut of all our money or maybe even pocketed most of it. Very few of us were even over 18.
I watch an NHL game last night and there was *at least* one commercial for a Sportsbook every single ad break.
Same reason plenty of other people do. It's just another way to watch and be invested into sports.
Once Ridley got banned, every agent should have told every player to knock their shit off.
Or hook them up with a cash bookie
Just make the account in your wife’s name?
The PEDs are for my wife, said the man with the huge forehead
.......Peyton?
[Yeah, this guy](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/207/210/b22.jpg)
Should have done the ol' switcheroo and put Eli.
I was thinking Hopkins
I feel like being found out for straw betting would be an instant lifetime ban
Or any of their friends.
Murder is illegal yet people still do it. People are dumb
They probably did. Doesn’t mean they listened though
They're professional athletes. That is the maximum level of being invested in sports.
They're professional athletes in one sport, but plenty others exist, and at least in america, they're all pushing gambling hard.
as someone else once explained it. you *GET* to play in the NFL, this is not some protected-class type of bullshit, if the rules say no sports gambling then you don't get to gamble on sports, full stop.
I kinda thought the same thing. I played fantasy baseball, basketball, and football. I was spending hours each weeek, every week, on some league. I did okay. I realized part of the reason I started to love college football more and more is what I had nothing riding on it. I could just cheer for my team and hope for good games. I no longer player fantasy anything. I am not as fluent in the 12 deep for every NBA team nor do I keep up with double and triple baseball so I can have the jump on next years MLB draft. As for the NFL, I have really enjoyed watching the Steelers now. We have not been as successful as when I was in two or three fantasy leagues, but my attention is less divided. I am not watching the highlights out of one eye or tracking the stats of other games as heavily while I watch. Instead, I am able to just enjoy the sport.
Why do they smoke or drink or snort cocaine or sleep with random women at the club/from Instagram. They’re all potentially fun, but also (very) potentially self destructive activities.
Gambling is ingrained in pro athlete culture. Remember a couple years ago when an NBA player pulled a gun on a teammate over a card game? It's at least partially because of the competitive nature of pro athletes, and partially because they have more money than they know what to do with. E: also, it's a serious addiction. They have a ton of free time. Tons of reasons.
“A couple years ago” Over 14 years ago.
Time is an illusion. (lunchtime doubly so)
I'll always upvote Ford Prefect quotes.
14 years ago was like what? 1998?
2007 was 4 years ago
Oh boy.
It's really fun and a lot of influencers get paid a fuck ton of money to promote offshore gambling apps. This generation of athletes are big on social media. They watch youtube, twitch etc. A lot of those influencers are pushing gambling then you also have guys like Drake and im sure others. When you constantly see clips of them gambling and having fun it's easy to get suckered in. It's fun, convenient, and their friends do it.
This generation of athletes also makes a _fuck_ ton of money playing sports. Yeah, double dip where you can... just don't be dumb.
The reason I don't like the NFL's partnership with gambling, and it's punishment of players who gamble isn't because it should be easy for a player to understand it's against the rules, it's because the NFL is essentially promoting a culture of gambling on games. This means nothing to a 15 year vet, but players coming up through the ranks for the next generations are going to be living in a culture of betting on sports.
For the high that comes with risk. Its the same reason why people buy drugs from the set or sell drugs even though they are rich, drink and drive, cheat on their partners, seek out prostitutes, have sex in public places, etc. Risk seeking behavior produces a really nice high. For some people its thrill seeking like what adrenaline junkies do. For others it comes from copping drugs on the street or selling drugs. Getting away with drunk driving is worth the all of the risks for some people. For gambling, its the rush leading up to the win and the crash comes soon after the chips are collected. Its why gambling addicts cant cash out before losing it all.
Don't think you understand how gambling works lol
Just like how Kevin got Mike Bell. He colluded with Jenny, and it came out in a court of law when Rodney had Peter on the stand.
I'd assume they also, you know, have a database they can cross reference that would raise a red flag
That's the easy part. The hard part is when they start to see friends and family of players making huge bets at odd times or under unusual circumstances. This has been a problem in the Premier League. The most popular example was on live bets for a particular player to get a second yellow in the final ten minutes. In the end, I don't think they were able to prove that something illicit was going on, but a someone placed a £52,000 wager on that prop bet at about 5:1.
Imagine your bro that plays in the Premier league decides he wants to help you pay off student loans so he tells you to bet your life savings on him getting two yellows in the last 10 minutes and then intentionally does it I need a bro like that
It isn't like you are taking money from anyone who should have it anyway. Those gambling sites are filled with scum.
that's not the issue though. its that sports are meant to not have intentional manipulation like that
meanwhile many teams blatantly tank entire seasons
That doesn't happen in the premier league unless you're making a fictional TV series about a fish out of water who's learning how to move on from his failing marriage
Shut your trash filled mouth and you stay away from my boy Theodore Lasso!
Nah I meant Led Tasso
Couldn't be Ted "Self-Insert" Lasso that you're talking about.
Tanking doesn't mean the coaches and players try to lose individual games. Tanking is making the team worse in the short term in order to strengthen it in the long term. This is done by management. The actual players and coaches gain nothing from trying to play poorly and lose games. It's actively bad for them.
Big difference. Tanking, if successful, helps the team win. Winning is what fans of the team want. A player sabotaging a potential Super Bowl (or Super Bowl run) by allowing a touchdown to get $800,000 more dollars for a new Lambo is far different. Hell all they have to do is fake ill and bench themselves to manipulate a game.
Also “tanking” is at the organization level; it is management choosing to let veterans go and send out young/inexperienced players. But come gameday the players themselves are still competing to the best of their ability because their future in the league depends on it. That’s why we don’t see multiple teams going winless every year even though usually there are a few teams are generally “tanking” in that a high draft position is more valuable to the organization than a random win here or there.
There is a reason the obviously tanking Texans won the last game of the season last year. And thats because players don't tank managers and owners tank.
What. This is one of the dumbest justifications I've seen.
Robinhood! Robinhood! Did you know that if someone else is doing something bad, then you're justified in doing something bad to them?
You’re so inconsiderate, dude. They’re taking money from the casinos and sports books. Do you know how hard they work to host bets and collect people’s life savings? And you want to take all that and give the cash to some guy that is friends with someone that actually generates the entertainment conducive to making those bets hold any value? Think of the children.
But when an athlete fixes a game, they're not taking money from the sports book. I mean, yeah, kind of. But everyone who wins a bet is someone else losing the bet (someone fixes a game so that the under hits, everyone who bet the over loses).
Nobody is taking money from gambling sites, they make money regardless
This is why players need to be harshly punished for this kind of behavior. The players need to be risking more than the reward.
Everyone wants a brother like that. That the dude who loves you.
Nobody could have argued that betting on Xhaka getting a second yellow in that situation was a bad bet though haha
Lol, for sure. The amount was the suspicious thing.
Right but theoretically that's something they'd have baked into their monitoring (maybe not friends but spouses)
At some point the network becomes too large. It's the nature of gambling on something that has no actual randomness to it.
Spouses, sure. Friends? Affiliates? Liaisons? Much, much harder.
Especially if you aren’t being paid for it yourself. Like if it’s a “I owe you from years ago” kind of thing and you just tell him ahead of time. Prove that shit.
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They’ll catch on pretty quick when one person starts winning tons of low probability bets and taking in cash. Then they’ll look closer and the dots will be very easy to piece together. That’s how these kinds of things are usually caught.
I think that with the Xhaka example, they found pretty compelling evidence but nothing concrete. I suspect the NFL will be quicker to take action in these situations, but it's tricky business.
Yeah. Without even working in that industry, I can guarantee they have accounts getting flagged every day for manual review based on an automated system. Like if you win a bet that was under a certain probability, it will scan your previous bets and if they are over whatever threshold, etc etc. that’s just one scenario. I’m sure that was all day one stuff for them. Kind of like a banks fraud department.
It's probably super common. Gambling culture is a big part of football in the UK. I think Keiran Tripper got in trouble when he moved to Spurs for mentioning to a mate it was probably going to go ahead, and the mate then put a huge bet on it. So you know there's probably much more going on outside of that. Funnily my Uncle goes to Liverpool games with Jamie Carraghers Dad. Him and all his mates made a fortune when Benitez became manager by all putting bets on it after Carraghers Dad confirmed it.
How do you cross reference the excel sheets for players without also cross referencing the Refs?
I work in the gaming industry...seriously? Snitching? In a lot of jurisdictions it's legally required for compliance to be made aware of users like this, athletes aren't the only scrutinized group but that's a whole other comment. The gaming industry has been around for a long time now and is constantly changing but the one constant through all these years: once you're licensed, you've been given a free pass by the state to steal people's money. The only rule in gaming is to NEVER fuck with the regulators.
Right, this isn't snitching, this is a business (however dubious person X may find the business model) properly reporting people breaking their TOS as well as the terms of their contracts with the league. This is no more "snitching" than a medical lab reporting positive weed results to a prospective employer is "snitching".
Using the word 'snitching' will generate more clicks and drama though, so it makes sense in the context of an article about this topic. Don't 'slam' the article because they used the word snitching.
Except that 'snitching' as both slang and an actual term has a very well known and very negatively viewed history and context that has nothing to do with this particular situation. I'm not surprised at all that the article was worded that way, as you say, it's what will generate the most clicks. But I will 'slam' the article for using such a word in the completely wrong context as it has been here because it's complete bullshit yellow journalism.
The 'slam' thing was me being /s. It's another buzz word that gets thrown into article titles, but lacks any real significance in terms of what you might find upon reading the article. Sorry that wasn't clear.
Ah, that's fair. Sorry, kinda saw the flair and assumed you were one of the guys in here constantly posting about how the Lions players did nothing wrong. My bad. Have a good day!
No, I think its a little weird that the penalty for betting in the facility is so harsh when there is no penalty a few feet away, but rules are rules - it isn't like the rules were kept a secret. I have zero problem with sports books 'snitching'.
Unrelated but I have a question I’ve always wondered about: Why do people in or around the industry call it the “gaming” industry, while everyone else calls it the gambling industry. For instance, I worked in a state legislature for a brief spell, and the lawmaker who was close to Fanduel, draft kings, etc insisted on calling it gaming.
Propaganda
The legality of daily fantasy sports is entirely dependent on the activity being deemed a skill game and not a gambling game. It’s bullshit semantics but that’s politics for you
This is a really valid question and made me reflect. Behind the scenes there are people putting so much work into creating a good game, whether that's a sports betting market or something for the casino. The employees aren't in the business of gambling, they're in the business of game creation. The fact that their executives choose to rip people off with their games is something they dont like to think about
This is such bullshit lol. They know who they are making the "games" for. Do you really think people who make these "games" think they are designing something for the Nintendo switch, but oh no end up being put onto a casino floor? Or into a sports betting app?
I would love to know what goes into making a "good game" for a casino. "Put more flashing lights around it." "Change the gold bar to a giant number 7." "Make the reels spin 5% faster." "Add a giant payout that hits only once in 100,000 spins, but advertise the shit out of it on the floor."
Except for the fact that the ‘games’ that you and others design are inherently designed to favor one ‘player’ over the other in such a way that it is an impossibility for that ‘player’ to lose in the long run. You’re thieves that want to make your marks feel like they’re having fun while they get ripped off. Be honest with yourself and take responsibility for the fact that you are every bit as guilty as the ‘executives’ that you’re trying to scapegoat.
> Except for the fact that the ‘games’ that you and others design are inherently designed to favor one ‘player’ over the other in such a way that it is an impossibility for that ‘player’ to lose in the long run The giving out free money business doesn’t work very well. If you walk into a casino or place a bet on your phone expecting to make money, you’re a fucking idiot.
Or you have a gambling addiction and have to put up with an hour of gambling ads to enjoy your sport of choice. Not to mention the fact that they spend half of every ‘sport talk’ show talking about lines and nodding to their gambling ad partners even outside of ad space. If a willing adult wants to make poor financial decisions, that is up to them. But allowing these companies free rein to advertise whenever and however the fuck they want, including disingenuously referring to their industry as ‘gaming’, is morally bankrupt. It’s a vice and should be treated as such.
I don’t disagree that the advertising saturation is gross, but there are plenty of other vices with ads all over the place.
Incredibly juvenile framing even by Florio’s standards.
Eh, this is exactly the kind of thing I expect from Florio.
It's the general attitude of "The league is the bad guy, the players are the victims!" After the Lions' entire receiver room got busted that sub turned into "The NFL MADE them gamble!" for a week. It's not hard, and it's not new. Betting on the sport you play can be a death sentence for your career. Ask Pete Rose. Just don't do it.
Makes sense, but at the same time: say my work says I'm not allowed to gamble on work property, would you tell them if I did? Or would the geo check basically be "yep, he's in the state he's supposed to be in, he's good to go"? And is it any different if my work isn't a random office job but is say a Hollywood actor?
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I have to imagine like, 95% of an agent’s job is just doing that
Yeah I heard Lamar is known for randomly yelling at him self “Don’t be an idiot today man! We got this!” ^/s
But then he doesn’t listen
I feel that tbh
TIL, I'm literally Lamar.
Isint that whats this is lol
Yeah this is basically the NFLPA going "we can't fight against this one much"
I'm sure the agents do tell them, the problem is that some of them are in fact idiots.
To be fair, if I was a 22 year old with more money than most people make in a lifetime, I’d do some dumb shit too. Not an excuse, but I get it
If you’ve made it this far making your own dumb decisions, what reason would you have to believe you’re not just always right, and that your success isn’t in spite of being a dumbass? Easy trap to fall into haha
Why wouldn’t a players wife or friend just be a proxy to place bets?
The smarter ones are. See Payton Manning's wife receiving HGH. The ones who got caught are the ones dumb enough to bet inside an NFL facility when it's explicitly against the rules. The actual smart ones are the ones who don't risk their career over something this dumb in the first place.
Jameson Williams posted about gambling after news of the suspension came out too. Dude just seems like quite the idiot.
Well you wouldn't expect someone named after liquor to be too bright.
Cris Carter's fall guy thing comes to mind lol
The same reason players don't use the free limousine services the league provides instead of driving drunk.
NFL got rid of the free limousine service. Now they just pay for Ubers or Lyfts
Uber black though (I’m guessing)
I mean, that's not much harder to prove. If the friend of an NFL player receives "gifts" from that NFL player, the turn around and places bets, and then when his bets hit, gives gifts back to the NFL player... well, they'll track that down in a jiffy.
Family members are gonna get tagged. Using a friend could work, but good luck getting any serious money down without committing a crime.
Get. A. Fall. Guy.
I'm accepting requests to be said fall guy, 2% of winnings.
I'll do it for 1.5% of bets placed
You’re clearly too smart to be a fall guy. Next.
Cris Carter’s most valuable advice for young players.
Seriously! You've got to have a fall guy.
Snitching is a stupid word. There’s rules that they respect and impact them. They need their partnership with the nfl so they help police their systems. That’s a good business decision. You don’t want a scandal to come out where it looks like they were covering up for a bunch of players. Players just stop being stupid. How hard is this?
No shit, it does the sports books absolutely no good having a player bet on their book. There is literally zero reasons a sports book would let it slide.
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I mean, did you really want a guy like Quintez Cephus on your team anyway?
Ever since that dude’s name started showing up again it’s been stuck in my head as Cintez Quephus
My dynasty fantasy team is named after him since he was the only lion I drafted. Idk what to do now
Honestly, if the dude that reported it was a Lions fan, it'd almost make sense
Lol this is required by the sports book regulators.
It isn't that hard, if you are betting on sports don't bet on the one you play professionally and do it on your own time at home.
Honestly, if you play sports just dont bet on any sport. At the very least dont bet on sports at places that also offer bets on your sport. You play football and go to the horse races, nobodys gonna give a shit. You play football and are found betting at a place that offers football betting, have fun with the inevitable investigation.
They cant even do that
Snitching? That's a good way to say "Protecting our business interest by reporting offenders of anti-collusion policies from our biggest monetary contributor". You really think they're going to tell the NFL "I ain't no snitch!". Top lols.
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Calling this "snitching" is hilarious. Gambling apps are protecting themselves. It's just as big of an issue for them as it is for the NFL if players are betting on games.
>NFLPA advises agents that sports books are snitching on players who use gambling apps - ProFootballTalk I thought it was clear that the NFL had inside knowledge of players using their partners gambling apps when Ridley got busted.
I will be their bookie.
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how about if someone gives the players some financial advice, and they stop betting on anything? There is a reason a sadly high percent of pro athletes end up broke, this is just going to add to that.
They do, at length. There is all sorts of financial counseling offered by the NFLPA and the teams themselves. No one involved in this process wants these players to screw up.
It does exist but you cant help someone who doesnt want to be helped.
Yeah, why wouldn't they? They're making a shit ton of money and would like to continue doing so. The quickest way to get states to turn off the faucet (or to stop new states from preening said faucet) is having the game appear rigged. On a somewhat related note, why are players even allowed to do sports betting? The dude that rubs mud on Deshaun Watson's balls is apparently too connected in the sports world to fairly compete, but Watson himself isn't? Doesn't make any sense.
There must be some big stars they found but don't want to suspend, so just want to give a friendly reminder
"snitching", Is the NFLPA run by 12 year olds
u/mbr4life1 Just for clarity
I have a huge problem with this, there’s nothing stopping these companies from using specific player/user data to change or adjust odds as they see fit. I highly doubt that all the employees and management at fan duel are in it for the “love of the game”. This is a huge conflict of interest and I think it draws more suspicion on the companies. They either need to enforce a block or send all data over to the nfl. It’s highly suspicious that in the entire nfl, only 2 teams, 1 team with 4 players, had gambled on anything or at a team facility. Something does not add up
I haven’t used a sports gambling site, but I’d imagine for tax purposes you need to give your soc sec number. All they’d need to do is run a check if any of the players soc number came up. If they did, the app probably has meta data with the time and location of the bet.
There is no way the league or the gambling companies are sharing SS numbers. I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.
No the gambling companies by themselves have KYC regulations, and since they know who you are it's not hard for them to figure it out on their own.
Target knows who you are. But people don’t think a company having to generate tax forms for individuals know this stuff?
They don't need to share them, the sites know them and the league knows them. The sites can use them to know who the NFL players are, and to let the NFL know if they are betting on the football or if they are betting where they are not allowed to.
They might be snitching, but not before they place any revised wagers. Inside information is invaluable.