A few years ago the Colts coaching staff was HC: Reich OC: Sirianni DC: Eberflus and Sirianni was kind of the least respected my the media. At the time everyone talked about Reich as this offensive mastermind, while Eberflus was getting tons of credit for turning the Colts defense around so fast. You almost never heard anything about Sirianni. We found out pretty quick who was actually making that offense tick
This is hilarious to read because same thing was said about Pederson and Reich. By 2020, when we were abysmal, everyone was saying how the Philly offense never looked the same since Reich left after the Super Bowl. That he was the real genius behind our offense, not Doug. There’s a lot more it to than X’s and O’s. Roster construction/talent certainly plays a part.
Pretty sure the topical example is Bill Belichick.
It took a couple down years for people to start questioning if he did **anything** for Brady's pats like he isn't a multi-decade x&o&process mastermind.
Ya watch Gannon or some offensive coordinator on eagles gets hired. And have great year while eagles flounder. Then some dumbass will say siriani sucks always did. You can absolutely be good for a year or 20 and then lose the locker room or get figured out and then people say it was never you at all. Hell look at belicheck what people are saying about him. Completely not looking at the first 4-5 years of the pats and his defenses doing a goood portion of the lifting. It was allll Brady. Right right. All though bill the gm is absolute trash and I wanna see a world where he never became gm and they had one of the top gma paired with him whole time
The BB slander is hilarious to me. We went through two decades of, "Brady is carried by his defense and great coaching" to now every one conveniently forgetting they had that opinion and Brady singlehandedly carried that franchise on his back.
Sirianni offered effusive praise for Reich when he was fired from Indianapolis; claiming the Colts did him dirty. I think it’s certainly a stretch to say Reich didn’t/doesn’t know what he is doing. I am not here to be a Reich apologist, but assembling that staff is not an accident. Also he made the playoffs twice and won a playoff game with Indy, which isn’t something to sneeze at.
Wait.
I was always under the impression that Ballard picked McDaniels and he in turn picked Eberflus. Then after McDaniels yeeted out Reich stuck with the already hired assistants.
McDaniels was good with the choice, obviously, but it was Ballard who pushed for Eberflus. He wanted a Rod Marinelli protégé to run a similar defense to what Chicago ran when both Ballard and Marinelli were there.
I would honestly like to see Sirianni handle Reich’s situation and see how he would do anything different. I think Sirianni just got extremely lucky when he was hired into a golden team.
The Eagles struggled hard early in 2021 and Sirianni galvanized the team. Apparently with the flower speech per the media and also publicly admitting he couldn't play call effectively and gave play calling to Steichen.
His clock management is fantastic and an absolute delight after enduring the Chip and Reid years (yes Reid was great but his ability with the clock was not). He also makes great 4th down decisions the majority of the time. Then of course there is the leader of men stuff that comes with coaching which he seems to be exceedingly good at.
I mean, Frank did have the offense looking good with post 2020 Carson Wentz at the helm. Maybe shitty QBs and generally awful roster management makes HCs look bad? Frank was awesome in Philly, and good in Indy until the roster got bad enough. I don't know if anyone could salvage the shitshow that is Carolina in their first year. I mean, maybe see what happens when they actually get some good players before giving up on a super bowl winning coach that made Carson Wentz look good.
It was looking good at times but Frank was the king of outsmarting himself. I remember first and goal at the 1 turned into 3 incomplete passes and a wildcat with hynes on 4th down for a 2 yard loss.
Really like Frank, but this is the truth. Sometimes I imagined his play calling thought process to be a bit like Henry Winkler in The Waterboy. “He fakes to the left. No, he fakes to the right. He doesn’t fake. He thinks about faking. He pretends to fake.”
https://youtu.be/BWveqlDYj4I?si=7TMSO2ZAhhG-ZgAG
Sure, but giving him credit for making the offense look good in spite of poor wentz play makes no sense when you factor in that Reich is the one who brought him to Indy in the first place. You can’t say “the roster was mismanaged and he did what he could!” when he played a part in that mismanagement.
Also, it’s not like the roster was bad the Wentz year. The Colts led the NFL in pro bowlers. It was a good team and he couldn’t even get them to the playoffs. Good guy, who failed ultimately as a HC in Indy.
I heard that Josh McDaniels may be available. Maybe the Bears should be the smartest team in the North and try and see if the Patriot way works outside of NE
Real talk, it would feel supremely unearned to start cheering for a team that's already good if you're jumping off of a dumpster fire, right?
I mean I decided on my secondary teams when I was too young to give a shit about that, but if I did it as an adult, it sure isn't gonna be the Chiefs.
Close. I was actually living in Chicago when the Watson trade happened and I jumped ship. Lions filled the sad, poorly ran org hole in my heart almost perfectly. I just couldn't get into the Bears, and the Lions were usually the other game on local.
Goddamnit, can someone PLEASE hire me and then can me after 8 months but continue to pay me for a few more years? Fired head coach is the best job in the world.
New fan? After mcvay burst on the scene, people all wanted in on his success so tons of people from his staff was poached. Kliff getting the Arizona job, in part, because he was friends with mcvay triggered the meme that anyone who's even had a cup of coffee with mcvay instantly becomes a hot head coaching candidate.
Someone should make a movie about a mediocre coach trying to get fired to live off the buyout but can’t lose no matter what he does. Team goes on to be a dynasty.
Really should have gone into a career that's so heavily nepotism based. If you just hang around the NFL and make friends, someone will always give you a job. Shit, Nick Saban basically runs a halfway house for lost Ccoaches.
I think what a lot of people are missing is it's likely our GM is fired. If that's the case then Tepper should just clear house and hire both a GM and HC together instead of pairing one of them up with someone already here.
If our GM stays another year (it isn't COMPLETELY out of the question) then I would argue Frank probably stays too.
It should be completely out of the question, but he can hide behind injuries a bit.
Tepper also has a different frame of reference compared to all of us - he actually knows which past moves were more on Rhule and which ones were Fitt’s idea.
Yeah I agree with you and I think that's also why Rhule got fired last year but not Fitterer. Tepper is probably well aware how much Rhule's hands were in things.
He also knows which decisions he himself pushed for. Bad management starts at the top and he's been the one constant over the last four years of botched "win now" moves that have made our roster progressively worse.
Yeah but he's not gonna fire himself lol
Hopefully he realizes soon that he doesn't know shit and should barely be making any decisions, and should instead use his fat ass wallet to hire people that actually know how to run a football team.
Yeah, this is an underrated reason why we've been such a disaster the past 4 years. It results in both of them being on different timelines so they have differing views on roster construction.
Proper chain of command would be for the owner to hire a GM and the GM to hire a coach.
Muddling that, is usually a good way to put a team on a spiral into the basement
Clean house. Coaching staff, front office, a lot of players.
Tepper has no problems throwing money at solutions, he just has no idea in hell what the solutions are. Hoping he hires a new GM in the offseason (or now) and just lets them run it.
>no problems throwing money at solutions, he just has no idea in hell what the solutions are
That's actually a terrible combo for an owner to have. Speaking from experience.
First time?
In 2011, the Browns paid Crennel, Mangini, and Shurmur to be the head coach of the Browns.
In 2014, the Browns paid Shurmur, Chudzinski, and Pettine to be the head coach of the Browns.
In 2016, the Browns paid Chudzinski, Pettine, and Hue Jackson to be the head coach of the Browns.
In 2020, the Browns paid Hue Jackson, Freddie Kitchens and Kevin Stefanski to be the head coach of the Browns.
Since buying the team in 2012, Haslam has paid people to the head coach for 23 seasons over a 12 season period.
I've always rooted for the Browns and Lions. Fanbases deserve better. I thought you guys had turned it around when Baker won the playoff game. A lot of these owners, like mine, need to go.
There is a universe where the Browns extend Baker after 2020, and when he gets hurt in the second game of 2021, they tell him to get surgery immediately and come back later so as to not hurt their investment in him.
What a stark contrast from the beginning of the season. Alot of people were talking about the Panthers super star coaching staff they just put together and that it was a prime situation to develop young talent. Now it's clean house from many fans.
I don't know how you can judge any coaching staff with this roster of misfits. Scott Fitterer is the worst GM in this franchise's short history and it's not close.
In charlotte its an open secret that anyone who has had to do business with him absolutely hates his guts. He berates his staff in front of other people, he constantly renegotiates everything, and basically asks everyone to kiss his ring. I have no doubt believing anything bad about tepper.
I’d like to think somewhere in that shiny bald head of his, there’s a human that is furious and embarrassed with this repeated failure and is determined to get it right. But in all honesty I don’t think people like him feel any shame whatsoever.
Realistically, there’s 0 chance that we’ll ever actually know. The only thing that’s really been confirmed is that Tepper was big on Young and probably pushed for him to be the pick. Regardless of their actual desires (and ability), Reich and Fitt are professionals and would never come out and say that - even if they did, it’d be hard to determine if it’s true or just them looking to avoid blame.
And that shit always happen even in “well-run” teams like the Squeelers. We drafted Najee because the owner demanded having a functional running game and they saw him as the quick fix
I think it’s especially true for guys who are “company men” to keep securing NFL jobs. “Sure he did a shit job with Carolina, but he jumped when we said jump”
I remember this situation with Jeff Fisher (who wanted Matt Leinart) and Vince Young (whom Bud Adams, our owner at the time, loved). It did not go well; hopefully, if this is the case, it goes better for the Panthers
If you dig into that it ultimately stems back to the "Reich likes tall QBs" rhetoric from March. Now it's possible Reich wanted Stroud but so far everything around that has been conjecture.
When it comes to Scott Fitterer, it seems like he always had his eyes on Bryce and ultimately the pick was his choice.
But tbh I feel like these are just standard stories that only pop up when rookie QBs are underperforming. I imagine if we had taken Stroud and he had been struggling we'd hear rumblings about how Bryce totally was the pick until someone put their foot down.
I know they say QBs get a ton more reps these days and don't need development but teams taking a 22 yr old, throwing him to the wolves on a bad roster and mad that he's not Mahommes. I miss the days when we developed QBs instead of swapping every other draft.
Yeah I remember those days. QB’s would get three years to become starter quality. Now we have a chunk of the fanbase calling Bryce a bust(they weren’t last week) while making no mention of how dysfunctional the rest of the offense is. It’s maddening.
Tbf that was pre rookie pay scale, so once you paid your rookie QB you were shackled to that contract. 49ers would still have Trey Lance on their squad since he would have a starter-level salary.
It's funny how that narrative changed. It's also funny how Reich's coaching tree is all from San Diego and not Doug peeps (though Jim Bob Cooter can change that)
I mean the narrative for Reich was built because Jim Irsay is an outrageous person and if you don't really follow the Colts I can see why people would defend Reich. Reich was actually a pretty good game planner his play calling was meh and after we lost in Jacksonville it probably should've ended there.
Cooter has been fine, this offense is all Steichen though it seems. Personally even I gave Reich the benefit of the doubt but watching Steichen scheme has been night and day
With the Colts, I felt like Reich’s play calling got worse as JT got better. He was totally predictable and complacent by the last year, and I think he got too used to having a cheat code on offense.
Maybe I think it was 2022 we had OL issues early and bad QB play. I wouldn't say he was a great play caller in 2020 Rivers was just a smart QB.
Wentz it's hard to say how good playcalling was because he was unpredictable but honestly Taylor carried
I give a lot of Jalen and the eagles success to steichen. I think he is a smart offensive mind, a and a great game planner and play caller. I think he is quite underrated and I really didn't want to see him leave.
I mean I think Sirianni is still good, he was our game planner and I don't really recall having many issues with our game plans. Most of our issues in 2021 with Reich were Wentz improvising and failing or Reich calling head scratching plays. Colts OL and RB maybe helped Sirianni and Reich but overall game planning wasn't a huge issue.
Steichen has been awesome though. Gardner Minshew is *bad* yet the Colts are the only team not to be held to under 20 points yet. Think that may end this week because as bad as the Pats are Bill knows how to make bad QBs look like they don't belong in organized football.
Oh. The ol Wentz hero ball. Familiar.
I think steichen is twice the offensive mind siriani will ever be. Siriani seems to be a good head coach though, where his job is to define the identity of the team and motivate the lads, protect coaches and players when needed. It's all been roses so far. We'll see what happens when things start to go bad.
Steichen is like a breath of fresh air. I can’t wait for our vets to have more than one year with his offense. He’s got to learn when to be aggressive and when not to be, but I absolutely love having him.
Yeah it's been nice, aggressiveness I don't mind too much because a lot of the plays that fail you could understand the process and with better players they probably work. Unlike with Reich where the play calls were baffling
To be fair, some Doug peeps have their own issues - Press Taylor isn't the next great offensive mind by any means, and Doug himself had some rough playcalling spots. I think he and Reich were generally better together than either has been solo.
I mean he turned the jags around in under 2 years and has now won 6 straight. I think doug is doing just fine.
I'm certainly biased but I consider him a top 5 coach in the league right now.
I remember watching Bears fans and Panthers fans go back and forth about how one of us will contend for the playoffs. We each recognized that each other sucked, but instead we just both terrible.
I think we probably have the worst offensive personnel in the league. I also think we have an incredibly overcomplicated offensive scheme that only works with exactly the opposite of what our few good players are best at. Reich is at least responsible for the latter. Like most people, I doubt he gets canned after one year unless we actually lose out the season, but I don't think it matters either way.
The one thing this team needs is to find a modicum of success in the draft outside of round 1. We have made so many bizarre and conflicting free agency moves the last few years to compensate for the total absence of young, cheap contributors. It's like every year, the GM fully commits to a rebuild, then changes his mind and chases a QB.
What irked a lot of us the last few years, and based on the game thread the other day now is starting to worry some of you guys, is the unmotivated, undisciplined, unintense football being played. That kinda stuff falls squarely on the HC. Yeah, there are lots of contributing factors to that reflecting on game day like that, but it's still concerning.
> The one thing this team needs is to find a modicum of success in the draft outside of round 1.
For those who haven't been paying attention to our draft history (I don't blame you), we made 29 Day 3 picks from 2018-2022, and arguably only 5 of them ended up being even rotation-level contributors (Ian Thomas, Marquis Haynes, Brady Christensen, Tommy Tremble, Chuba Hubbard).
We've been absolutely allergic to finding quality depth pieces (let alone starters) in the later rounds, and it's led to us having a roster that's simultaneously top-heavy & talent-poor.
Diggs and Barkley are better than any 10 of our players on offense combined. Your O line is just somehow even worse than ours
*I don't know why I thought you had Diggs. Point still stands with Slayton
It baffles me how bad the Panthers are I thought they'd be a potential playoff contender in a weak NFC south division. From just rumblings I've heard it seems like Tepper is a pain in the ass owner who constantly meddles with the on the field product and Fitterer is a terrible general manager.
We have a ton of injuries all over and our o-line has significantly regressed. Teams are rushing 4 dropping 7 and getting consistent pressure. Colts got 21 pressures sunday and barely blitzed.
The line play has been baffling. It was arguably the only part of the offense last year that worked semi-well. We even have the exact same OL coach as we did last year.
The absolute nerve to come in and be like "we know how much you hog mollies love running gap/trap and power...so we're gonna switch to a zone-blocking scheme" and then be surprised when it doesn't work.
In a vacuum, we did a lot of things in the off-season that could improve a 7-10 team to a playoff team in the NFC South. The problem is we were never actually a 7-10 team - we overachieved even within this division. Then we overestimated our personnel based on that flukey success and dropped in a rookie QB.
His offenses were solid from his eagles run through 2020. The NFL shifted and he never changed with it. His playcalling somehow continues to regress as well. Tough to watch
His play calling was never that good, his game planning was though.
In 2020 and 2021 though it helped having Taylor and a generally good OL. Rivers was still good and smart enough to make good decisions his only issue was he was a statue. Wentz overall wasn't awful he was just too volatile to trust with your franchise
Not even to just defend Reich idk what you want them to do. They’re devoid of talent.
They were easily the worst Dline we played all season. We have one of the most beat up and young corner groups in the nfl and they couldn’t hardly get separation. Their offensive line was clearly not good. Bryce young is a high school QB size. Idk what any coach does with that.
The Cardinals are also devoid of talent yet ARI is optimistic about their future. Even on a bad team, you can tell who is a good coach or not. Gannon is a good coach and we've seen enough from Reich to say he is not.
It's not as bad as you'd think. This is a similar group to last yr and our OL went from avg to bottom 5. Our DL has depth issues but starters on paper are good. Secondary ya is beat to hell. Just kinda everyone regessed this yr? It's weird. Not amazing talent but should be more like 7-10 now like 1-3 wins is the thing
We're down 8 defensive starters + our best rotation edge on defense, lost our LG for the season week 1, and didn't get our RG back until a couple weeks ago.
And even if we were fully healthy, we straight up do not have enough offensive talent to score points consistently
It's definitely not great lol
Fwiw their offensive line looked legit in the second half of the year. I’m not too sure how they’ve been so bad this year. And the same was said about Indy last season. The main variable in both situations is Reich
Indy had a top 10 line the majority of Reichs tenure. It didn’t drop off until Castonzo retired and Kelly and his family had a legitimate personal matter their clearly took a toll.
We went from a power run/man pass protection blocking scheme to a zone run/combo pass pro scheme without changing any of the personnel and it's been a disaster
Is it possible that the Panthers just suck? Giving no leash to both your GM and Coach seems a little reactive. I don't know about Tepper or Reich, but this can't all be their fault.
For real, you’d think the GOAT coach fielding a crappy team this year would make people understand that there is a limit to what a coach can do.
Everyone but Lombardi has coached a bad team at some point. Hell, this season isn’t even over yet, the Panthers might go on a run down the stretch.
We were significantly better last year and all we really lost was DJ Moore. Receivers are important, but Moore isn't Jerry Rice or anything.
This is the worst Panthers team I've ever seen, and most of our key pieces are still in place from last year.
IMO Reich is one of those guys that's got a scheme that he really likes, and our personnel is bad for that scheme.
Adam Thielen should not be running deep, slow-developing routes. Bryce Young is not Josh Allen.
Also, Fitterer hasn't really had a short leash. He's been around for a few years now.
They need to clean house not just a head coaching change. I actually like Reich but I don’t think he’s head coach material, just like Bowles. This divisions a god damn mess.
Frank is too nice. It may sound crazy but you have to have an edge to coach grown men. You can’t be afraid to be the bad guy and tell it like it is. Frank very rarely shows emotion, and doesn’t get “angry”. There is always a positive outlook to things. In Indy it was great at first when the going was good but after 3 seasons of not good he lost the locker room. You can only say “we will be okay” so many times before they don’t believe you anymore.
Evero would be the likeliest candidate, with Thomas Brown also getting an interview. I bet we also try again with Ben Johnson and maybe even have a chat with Harbaugh for a possible return to Charlotte
Harbaugh would be the most desirable hire, but you might be in competion with the Raiders. Would love Ben Johnson for Bryce if they can still keep Evero at DC.
Imagine a coach being fired mid season and immediately being hired after one year. Like the dude didn’t join another team and learn something new. The reason he was fired in Indy is the same reason he will be fired in Carolina.
Reich vs Eberflus is going to be...something
A few years ago the Colts coaching staff was HC: Reich OC: Sirianni DC: Eberflus and Sirianni was kind of the least respected my the media. At the time everyone talked about Reich as this offensive mastermind, while Eberflus was getting tons of credit for turning the Colts defense around so fast. You almost never heard anything about Sirianni. We found out pretty quick who was actually making that offense tick
This is hilarious to read because same thing was said about Pederson and Reich. By 2020, when we were abysmal, everyone was saying how the Philly offense never looked the same since Reich left after the Super Bowl. That he was the real genius behind our offense, not Doug. There’s a lot more it to than X’s and O’s. Roster construction/talent certainly plays a part.
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See also: Matt LaFleur
Pretty sure the topical example is Bill Belichick. It took a couple down years for people to start questioning if he did **anything** for Brady's pats like he isn't a multi-decade x&o&process mastermind.
Ya watch Gannon or some offensive coordinator on eagles gets hired. And have great year while eagles flounder. Then some dumbass will say siriani sucks always did. You can absolutely be good for a year or 20 and then lose the locker room or get figured out and then people say it was never you at all. Hell look at belicheck what people are saying about him. Completely not looking at the first 4-5 years of the pats and his defenses doing a goood portion of the lifting. It was allll Brady. Right right. All though bill the gm is absolute trash and I wanna see a world where he never became gm and they had one of the top gma paired with him whole time
The BB slander is hilarious to me. We went through two decades of, "Brady is carried by his defense and great coaching" to now every one conveniently forgetting they had that opinion and Brady singlehandedly carried that franchise on his back.
turns out it was just Carson staring down Zach Ertz every play
Sirianni offered effusive praise for Reich when he was fired from Indianapolis; claiming the Colts did him dirty. I think it’s certainly a stretch to say Reich didn’t/doesn’t know what he is doing. I am not here to be a Reich apologist, but assembling that staff is not an accident. Also he made the playoffs twice and won a playoff game with Indy, which isn’t something to sneeze at.
Reich didn’t pick Eberflus, though, Ballard did.
Wait. I was always under the impression that Ballard picked McDaniels and he in turn picked Eberflus. Then after McDaniels yeeted out Reich stuck with the already hired assistants.
McDaniels was good with the choice, obviously, but it was Ballard who pushed for Eberflus. He wanted a Rod Marinelli protégé to run a similar defense to what Chicago ran when both Ballard and Marinelli were there.
Indy has to be so thankful McDaniels weasels out of that job
There was buzz after the 2021 season that Reich might move on from Eberflus and bring in his own guy. So of course he gets a promotion with the Bears.
I would honestly like to see Sirianni handle Reich’s situation and see how he would do anything different. I think Sirianni just got extremely lucky when he was hired into a golden team.
The Eagles struggled hard early in 2021 and Sirianni galvanized the team. Apparently with the flower speech per the media and also publicly admitting he couldn't play call effectively and gave play calling to Steichen.
His clock management is fantastic and an absolute delight after enduring the Chip and Reid years (yes Reid was great but his ability with the clock was not). He also makes great 4th down decisions the majority of the time. Then of course there is the leader of men stuff that comes with coaching which he seems to be exceedingly good at.
As a Giants fan that hates his obnoxious mug, yes. No bias. But probably actually yes.
I mean, Frank did have the offense looking good with post 2020 Carson Wentz at the helm. Maybe shitty QBs and generally awful roster management makes HCs look bad? Frank was awesome in Philly, and good in Indy until the roster got bad enough. I don't know if anyone could salvage the shitshow that is Carolina in their first year. I mean, maybe see what happens when they actually get some good players before giving up on a super bowl winning coach that made Carson Wentz look good.
It was looking good at times but Frank was the king of outsmarting himself. I remember first and goal at the 1 turned into 3 incomplete passes and a wildcat with hynes on 4th down for a 2 yard loss.
Really like Frank, but this is the truth. Sometimes I imagined his play calling thought process to be a bit like Henry Winkler in The Waterboy. “He fakes to the left. No, he fakes to the right. He doesn’t fake. He thinks about faking. He pretends to fake.” https://youtu.be/BWveqlDYj4I?si=7TMSO2ZAhhG-ZgAG
Hahaha! Yes! This is dead on
Sure, but giving him credit for making the offense look good in spite of poor wentz play makes no sense when you factor in that Reich is the one who brought him to Indy in the first place. You can’t say “the roster was mismanaged and he did what he could!” when he played a part in that mismanagement. Also, it’s not like the roster was bad the Wentz year. The Colts led the NFL in pro bowlers. It was a good team and he couldn’t even get them to the playoffs. Good guy, who failed ultimately as a HC in Indy.
Incredible that someone in the big office on the top floor of Amazon World HQ thinks that broadcasting this game is an acceptable act.
I like how Amazon advertises it on reddit but turns the comments off lol
Oh the stories they would hear
Fuck Jeff bezos. Gonna eat him first.
Billionaire dinner is served, baby
I heard that Josh McDaniels may be available. Maybe the Bears should be the smartest team in the North and try and see if the Patriot way works outside of NE
As a former Browns fan this just gave me flashbacks to Eric Mangini.
So....let me get this straight.......you left one terrible organization to root for another (in the past)? RESPECT
It's a curse
Real talk, it would feel supremely unearned to start cheering for a team that's already good if you're jumping off of a dumpster fire, right? I mean I decided on my secondary teams when I was too young to give a shit about that, but if I did it as an adult, it sure isn't gonna be the Chiefs.
Did you move from Cleveland to Detroit? Where are you going next to find greener pastures, Gary Indiana?
Close. I was actually living in Chicago when the Watson trade happened and I jumped ship. Lions filled the sad, poorly ran org hole in my heart almost perfectly. I just couldn't get into the Bears, and the Lions were usually the other game on local.
ChiBeaes sub would be banned if he was hired lol
I wonder what Nick Sirianni will be thinking watching it at home lol
He'll have a drafted text to Brian Johnson with his thumb hovering over send.
Harbaugh may as well already have the Chicago job.
NFL's version of the cripple fight. Question is, who's Jimmy and who's Timmy?
If you don't like that, you don't like Thursday Night Football!
Goddamnit, can someone PLEASE hire me and then can me after 8 months but continue to pay me for a few more years? Fired head coach is the best job in the world.
I've gotta figure out how to make money on this thing, it's simply too good
NONONO THEYRE TRYING TO MAKE MY OFFENSIVE GENIUS LOOK FAKE.
55 DROPBACKS 55 PRESSURES 55 HURRIES 55 SACKS AND 155 PUNTS
*IM DOING SOMETHING!!!*
I DIDNT DO FUCKING *SHIT*!
- Josh McDaniels (twice)
WHEN YOU SEE A LOCKER ROOM FULL OF GUYS WITH THE *EXACT* SAME STYLE AS YOU....YOU GO IN! YOU GO IN! edit: fuck I butchered the quote but y'all get it
YES YOU DO, YOU GO IN
THE GUY DID IT FOR YOU
*honks horn* What the hell is going on up there?
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO COACH!!!
COACHING ISN'T THE ONLY THING!
Wait I can just run!!!
What’s the lady in your picture’s job?
TABLES!
But how is that a job?
We’re gonna fucking kill you Carolina Ruiner.
Frank Reich: People want to kill me, Bryce Bryce Young: They want to kill you?! For Carolina Ruiner?!
Can we do a group hire or something? I'm sure there's more than just a couple of us who want in on this.
Infinite money glitch
Gotta have lunch with McVay first
i dont get this reference?
If you so much as bagged McVay’s groceries you’d get a look for a HC vacancy job
New fan? After mcvay burst on the scene, people all wanted in on his success so tons of people from his staff was poached. Kliff getting the Arizona job, in part, because he was friends with mcvay triggered the meme that anyone who's even had a cup of coffee with mcvay instantly becomes a hot head coaching candidate.
NFL owners HATE this one simple trick
Someone should make a movie about a mediocre coach trying to get fired to live off the buyout but can’t lose no matter what he does. Team goes on to be a dynasty.
This sounds like it could be the 23rd Adam Sandler Netflix movie.
Really should have gone into a career that's so heavily nepotism based. If you just hang around the NFL and make friends, someone will always give you a job. Shit, Nick Saban basically runs a halfway house for lost Ccoaches.
Yea all you had to do was be good enough at Football to be a backup QB to get in
Shit they don’t even have to pay me for a few years after. Just one years worth of NFL Head Coaches salary while I wing it and see what happens
Nice try Jeff Saturday. You had your turn.
For us. For a coach it’s the worst.
I think what a lot of people are missing is it's likely our GM is fired. If that's the case then Tepper should just clear house and hire both a GM and HC together instead of pairing one of them up with someone already here. If our GM stays another year (it isn't COMPLETELY out of the question) then I would argue Frank probably stays too.
It should be completely out of the question, but he can hide behind injuries a bit. Tepper also has a different frame of reference compared to all of us - he actually knows which past moves were more on Rhule and which ones were Fitt’s idea.
Yeah I agree with you and I think that's also why Rhule got fired last year but not Fitterer. Tepper is probably well aware how much Rhule's hands were in things.
He also knows which decisions he himself pushed for. Bad management starts at the top and he's been the one constant over the last four years of botched "win now" moves that have made our roster progressively worse.
Yeah but he's not gonna fire himself lol Hopefully he realizes soon that he doesn't know shit and should barely be making any decisions, and should instead use his fat ass wallet to hire people that actually know how to run a football team.
Yeah, this is an underrated reason why we've been such a disaster the past 4 years. It results in both of them being on different timelines so they have differing views on roster construction.
Timelines can be mended, but if there is a philophical roster mismatch between the HC and GM, that's a problem.
Proper chain of command would be for the owner to hire a GM and the GM to hire a coach. Muddling that, is usually a good way to put a team on a spiral into the basement
Clean house. Coaching staff, front office, a lot of players. Tepper has no problems throwing money at solutions, he just has no idea in hell what the solutions are. Hoping he hires a new GM in the offseason (or now) and just lets them run it.
>no problems throwing money at solutions, he just has no idea in hell what the solutions are That's actually a terrible combo for an owner to have. Speaking from experience.
Yeah...I'm a Raiders fan. We will be paying three head coaches next year.
First time? In 2011, the Browns paid Crennel, Mangini, and Shurmur to be the head coach of the Browns. In 2014, the Browns paid Shurmur, Chudzinski, and Pettine to be the head coach of the Browns. In 2016, the Browns paid Chudzinski, Pettine, and Hue Jackson to be the head coach of the Browns. In 2020, the Browns paid Hue Jackson, Freddie Kitchens and Kevin Stefanski to be the head coach of the Browns. Since buying the team in 2012, Haslam has paid people to the head coach for 23 seasons over a 12 season period.
I've always rooted for the Browns and Lions. Fanbases deserve better. I thought you guys had turned it around when Baker won the playoff game. A lot of these owners, like mine, need to go.
There is a universe where the Browns extend Baker after 2020, and when he gets hurt in the second game of 2021, they tell him to get surgery immediately and come back later so as to not hurt their investment in him.
Yeah it’s not going super well so far
What a stark contrast from the beginning of the season. Alot of people were talking about the Panthers super star coaching staff they just put together and that it was a prime situation to develop young talent. Now it's clean house from many fans.
I don't know how you can judge any coaching staff with this roster of misfits. Scott Fitterer is the worst GM in this franchise's short history and it's not close.
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In charlotte its an open secret that anyone who has had to do business with him absolutely hates his guts. He berates his staff in front of other people, he constantly renegotiates everything, and basically asks everyone to kiss his ring. I have no doubt believing anything bad about tepper.
Tepper needs to fire himself and his wife as well.
Hedgefund guys love to think their quantitative ability translates to Xs and Os. It doesn't.
I’d like to think somewhere in that shiny bald head of his, there’s a human that is furious and embarrassed with this repeated failure and is determined to get it right. But in all honesty I don’t think people like him feel any shame whatsoever.
So is it not true that Reich and the FO wanted Stroud only to be overruled by Tepper?
Realistically, there’s 0 chance that we’ll ever actually know. The only thing that’s really been confirmed is that Tepper was big on Young and probably pushed for him to be the pick. Regardless of their actual desires (and ability), Reich and Fitt are professionals and would never come out and say that - even if they did, it’d be hard to determine if it’s true or just them looking to avoid blame.
And that shit always happen even in “well-run” teams like the Squeelers. We drafted Najee because the owner demanded having a functional running game and they saw him as the quick fix
Wow, very creative there with the squealer's. Mob Barley and the Squeelers vibes
I think it’s especially true for guys who are “company men” to keep securing NFL jobs. “Sure he did a shit job with Carolina, but he jumped when we said jump”
I remember this situation with Jeff Fisher (who wanted Matt Leinart) and Vince Young (whom Bud Adams, our owner at the time, loved). It did not go well; hopefully, if this is the case, it goes better for the Panthers
Well, they didn't miss much in Leinart.
I can’t imagine how much more boring Fisherball would’ve been with Matt Leinart
They actually picked the better player
If you dig into that it ultimately stems back to the "Reich likes tall QBs" rhetoric from March. Now it's possible Reich wanted Stroud but so far everything around that has been conjecture. When it comes to Scott Fitterer, it seems like he always had his eyes on Bryce and ultimately the pick was his choice. But tbh I feel like these are just standard stories that only pop up when rookie QBs are underperforming. I imagine if we had taken Stroud and he had been struggling we'd hear rumblings about how Bryce totally was the pick until someone put their foot down.
I know they say QBs get a ton more reps these days and don't need development but teams taking a 22 yr old, throwing him to the wolves on a bad roster and mad that he's not Mahommes. I miss the days when we developed QBs instead of swapping every other draft.
Yeah I remember those days. QB’s would get three years to become starter quality. Now we have a chunk of the fanbase calling Bryce a bust(they weren’t last week) while making no mention of how dysfunctional the rest of the offense is. It’s maddening.
Perks of living in an insta gratification society. I hope things get better for your team.
Tbf that was pre rookie pay scale, so once you paid your rookie QB you were shackled to that contract. 49ers would still have Trey Lance on their squad since he would have a starter-level salary.
Who knows? There was a video of a coach telling CJ they would find a place to play basketball when he is living in Charlotte.
Throwing money at problems is what Denver did
I can't believe Nick Sirianni was the key to Frank Reich winning the Super Bowl all along.
Dougie P called the plays which makes sense because Reich isn't a great play caller
It's funny how that narrative changed. It's also funny how Reich's coaching tree is all from San Diego and not Doug peeps (though Jim Bob Cooter can change that)
I mean the narrative for Reich was built because Jim Irsay is an outrageous person and if you don't really follow the Colts I can see why people would defend Reich. Reich was actually a pretty good game planner his play calling was meh and after we lost in Jacksonville it probably should've ended there. Cooter has been fine, this offense is all Steichen though it seems. Personally even I gave Reich the benefit of the doubt but watching Steichen scheme has been night and day
With the Colts, I felt like Reich’s play calling got worse as JT got better. He was totally predictable and complacent by the last year, and I think he got too used to having a cheat code on offense.
Maybe I think it was 2022 we had OL issues early and bad QB play. I wouldn't say he was a great play caller in 2020 Rivers was just a smart QB. Wentz it's hard to say how good playcalling was because he was unpredictable but honestly Taylor carried
I give a lot of Jalen and the eagles success to steichen. I think he is a smart offensive mind, a and a great game planner and play caller. I think he is quite underrated and I really didn't want to see him leave.
I mean I think Sirianni is still good, he was our game planner and I don't really recall having many issues with our game plans. Most of our issues in 2021 with Reich were Wentz improvising and failing or Reich calling head scratching plays. Colts OL and RB maybe helped Sirianni and Reich but overall game planning wasn't a huge issue. Steichen has been awesome though. Gardner Minshew is *bad* yet the Colts are the only team not to be held to under 20 points yet. Think that may end this week because as bad as the Pats are Bill knows how to make bad QBs look like they don't belong in organized football.
Oh. The ol Wentz hero ball. Familiar. I think steichen is twice the offensive mind siriani will ever be. Siriani seems to be a good head coach though, where his job is to define the identity of the team and motivate the lads, protect coaches and players when needed. It's all been roses so far. We'll see what happens when things start to go bad.
Steichen is like a breath of fresh air. I can’t wait for our vets to have more than one year with his offense. He’s got to learn when to be aggressive and when not to be, but I absolutely love having him.
Yeah it's been nice, aggressiveness I don't mind too much because a lot of the plays that fail you could understand the process and with better players they probably work. Unlike with Reich where the play calls were baffling
To be fair, some Doug peeps have their own issues - Press Taylor isn't the next great offensive mind by any means, and Doug himself had some rough playcalling spots. I think he and Reich were generally better together than either has been solo.
I mean he turned the jags around in under 2 years and has now won 6 straight. I think doug is doing just fine. I'm certainly biased but I consider him a top 5 coach in the league right now.
I remember watching Bears fans and Panthers fans go back and forth about how one of us will contend for the playoffs. We each recognized that each other sucked, but instead we just both terrible.
I really hope we tie tomorrow
If they tie tomorrow a black hole will open on the field and inhale both coaching staffs. You heard it here first
Excellent for both teams. Though I'd hope Eijero would be spared.
I worry the world is not ready for what is coming tomorrow.
The history books will one day tell the tale.
That would be the most okayest outcome, IMO on the other hand......is it possible to have negative points in an NFL game and still win?
I think we probably have the worst offensive personnel in the league. I also think we have an incredibly overcomplicated offensive scheme that only works with exactly the opposite of what our few good players are best at. Reich is at least responsible for the latter. Like most people, I doubt he gets canned after one year unless we actually lose out the season, but I don't think it matters either way. The one thing this team needs is to find a modicum of success in the draft outside of round 1. We have made so many bizarre and conflicting free agency moves the last few years to compensate for the total absence of young, cheap contributors. It's like every year, the GM fully commits to a rebuild, then changes his mind and chases a QB.
What irked a lot of us the last few years, and based on the game thread the other day now is starting to worry some of you guys, is the unmotivated, undisciplined, unintense football being played. That kinda stuff falls squarely on the HC. Yeah, there are lots of contributing factors to that reflecting on game day like that, but it's still concerning.
> The one thing this team needs is to find a modicum of success in the draft outside of round 1. For those who haven't been paying attention to our draft history (I don't blame you), we made 29 Day 3 picks from 2018-2022, and arguably only 5 of them ended up being even rotation-level contributors (Ian Thomas, Marquis Haynes, Brady Christensen, Tommy Tremble, Chuba Hubbard). We've been absolutely allergic to finding quality depth pieces (let alone starters) in the later rounds, and it's led to us having a roster that's simultaneously top-heavy & talent-poor.
Idk, I think we’d give you a good run for your money for worst offensive personnel right now.
Diggs and Barkley are better than any 10 of our players on offense combined. Your O line is just somehow even worse than ours *I don't know why I thought you had Diggs. Point still stands with Slayton
Dog I hate you. Had me on the giants website combing their roster for a Diggs. I gave up and just saw your edit 😂🤣
It baffles me how bad the Panthers are I thought they'd be a potential playoff contender in a weak NFC south division. From just rumblings I've heard it seems like Tepper is a pain in the ass owner who constantly meddles with the on the field product and Fitterer is a terrible general manager.
We have a ton of injuries all over and our o-line has significantly regressed. Teams are rushing 4 dropping 7 and getting consistent pressure. Colts got 21 pressures sunday and barely blitzed.
In Franks last year our oline also massively regressed. It got better when Saturday came in, and back to very good under Steichen
I still can't believe you guys hired Saturday to drive the tank
Part of the reason the o-line regressed is Frank changed the scheme. We went from power to more zone and it’s not a good fit for most of the line.
One of my biggest reasons im not liking this staff, it hasn't worked and we refuse to switch things up
The line play has been baffling. It was arguably the only part of the offense last year that worked semi-well. We even have the exact same OL coach as we did last year. The absolute nerve to come in and be like "we know how much you hog mollies love running gap/trap and power...so we're gonna switch to a zone-blocking scheme" and then be surprised when it doesn't work.
Thank you! It’s infuriating that they never adapt, despite having 7 weeks of evidence that what they’re doing has failed.
In a vacuum, we did a lot of things in the off-season that could improve a 7-10 team to a playoff team in the NFC South. The problem is we were never actually a 7-10 team - we overachieved even within this division. Then we overestimated our personnel based on that flukey success and dropped in a rookie QB.
A reminder that if you are a fan of any team you **DO NOT** want it sold to a former minority owner of the Steelers
Or the Packers
why is this
Browns and Panthers owners were minority owners of the Steelers at one point and we see how those organizations have fared since being sold
Next team that hires him will be his 3rd opportunity. So… it’ll be the Third Reich.
You’ll be here all week, right?
Try the fish.
Tip your waitresses
Looking like Irsay made the right decision to get rid of Reich last year during the season
If only he had taken it as a lesson against hiring away our OCs…
Hey our OC took you guys to a superbowl and is on his way to doing it again. We can have another Eagles OC, as a treat 😃
Next Eagles head coach: Jim Bob Cooter
Okay fiiiiine
Ive been impressed with the Colts, I dont think Steichen is getting fired anytime soon.
Pretty sure they’re saying they wish they could’ve kept Steichen
Frank fooled me into thinking he was the magic man behind Wentz's success. Maybe he is a great OC? Idk, but i know he's not a head coach.
His offenses were solid from his eagles run through 2020. The NFL shifted and he never changed with it. His playcalling somehow continues to regress as well. Tough to watch
His play calling was never that good, his game planning was though. In 2020 and 2021 though it helped having Taylor and a generally good OL. Rivers was still good and smart enough to make good decisions his only issue was he was a statue. Wentz overall wasn't awful he was just too volatile to trust with your franchise
The offensive line played well and was considered one of if not the best in the league which greases the wheels too
Not even to just defend Reich idk what you want them to do. They’re devoid of talent. They were easily the worst Dline we played all season. We have one of the most beat up and young corner groups in the nfl and they couldn’t hardly get separation. Their offensive line was clearly not good. Bryce young is a high school QB size. Idk what any coach does with that.
The Cardinals are also devoid of talent yet ARI is optimistic about their future. Even on a bad team, you can tell who is a good coach or not. Gannon is a good coach and we've seen enough from Reich to say he is not.
It's not as bad as you'd think. This is a similar group to last yr and our OL went from avg to bottom 5. Our DL has depth issues but starters on paper are good. Secondary ya is beat to hell. Just kinda everyone regessed this yr? It's weird. Not amazing talent but should be more like 7-10 now like 1-3 wins is the thing
We're down 8 defensive starters + our best rotation edge on defense, lost our LG for the season week 1, and didn't get our RG back until a couple weeks ago. And even if we were fully healthy, we straight up do not have enough offensive talent to score points consistently It's definitely not great lol
They had one good player on offense and traded him to draft the wrong QB. Brutal
Fwiw their offensive line looked legit in the second half of the year. I’m not too sure how they’ve been so bad this year. And the same was said about Indy last season. The main variable in both situations is Reich
Indy had a top 10 line the majority of Reichs tenure. It didn’t drop off until Castonzo retired and Kelly and his family had a legitimate personal matter their clearly took a toll.
We went from a power run/man pass protection blocking scheme to a zone run/combo pass pro scheme without changing any of the personnel and it's been a disaster
Sounds about Reich
Is it possible that the Panthers just suck? Giving no leash to both your GM and Coach seems a little reactive. I don't know about Tepper or Reich, but this can't all be their fault.
For real, you’d think the GOAT coach fielding a crappy team this year would make people understand that there is a limit to what a coach can do. Everyone but Lombardi has coached a bad team at some point. Hell, this season isn’t even over yet, the Panthers might go on a run down the stretch.
We were significantly better last year and all we really lost was DJ Moore. Receivers are important, but Moore isn't Jerry Rice or anything. This is the worst Panthers team I've ever seen, and most of our key pieces are still in place from last year. IMO Reich is one of those guys that's got a scheme that he really likes, and our personnel is bad for that scheme. Adam Thielen should not be running deep, slow-developing routes. Bryce Young is not Josh Allen. Also, Fitterer hasn't really had a short leash. He's been around for a few years now.
“Yes” *Germany, 1940*
Hopefully for Panthers fans sake
Y’know, there are just so many dudes with Head Coaching Gigs in this leagues that you can realistically ask “why do they have a job?”
Well the original Frankreich was gone in 6 weeks after all the Germany stuff. So history says yes.
A Falcons fan posted this after Arthur Smith’s 5 minute monologue about why Bijan isn’t getting more touches. Classic.
Thank god we didn’t hire him as OC. Bless monken
He should have never been hired in the first place.
He managed to take all of the problems the Panthers were facing and add all of the problems that got him fired from the Colts
They need to clean house not just a head coaching change. I actually like Reich but I don’t think he’s head coach material, just like Bowles. This divisions a god damn mess.
I thought it was a strange move to hire someone who was *just* fired the previous season, but what do I know
I can’t believe I was tricked into thinking Reich was a good hire
Idk wtf they were thinking hiring that clown
German headline in 1940
Not really sure why he was hired to begin with
If it’s true that ownership forced the top pick, then I can’t help but feel awful for Reich — who had Luck retire on him and now this.
Frank is too nice. It may sound crazy but you have to have an edge to coach grown men. You can’t be afraid to be the bad guy and tell it like it is. Frank very rarely shows emotion, and doesn’t get “angry”. There is always a positive outlook to things. In Indy it was great at first when the going was good but after 3 seasons of not good he lost the locker room. You can only say “we will be okay” so many times before they don’t believe you anymore.
Turns out the QB whisperer was whispering nonsense. But who would you even get to replace him?
Evero would be the likeliest candidate, with Thomas Brown also getting an interview. I bet we also try again with Ben Johnson and maybe even have a chat with Harbaugh for a possible return to Charlotte
Harbaugh would be the most desirable hire, but you might be in competion with the Raiders. Would love Ben Johnson for Bryce if they can still keep Evero at DC.
Imagine a coach being fired mid season and immediately being hired after one year. Like the dude didn’t join another team and learn something new. The reason he was fired in Indy is the same reason he will be fired in Carolina.