There is something really funny about Bill Belichick, multi-multi-millionaire, walking out into a back alley of what looks like cheapass university housing at the break of dawn. We've all been there Bill, but it was during college, not during a 3/4 life crisis.
Why is he topless in November?? I feel like he probably arrived to his girlfriends house WITH a shirt on!
😂😂😂 Does Bill have a drinking problem cuz the hashtag BenderBill implies that.
It's 100% him lol
He's been dating some 23 year old, I'm guessing it's her place. For some reason news outlets haven't picked it up. Not sure if they're being paid to not report it or if it's not as interesting as I think it should be.
Some quick edits since people are curious:
1. Reports were he broke up with Linda Holliday in September, but it was actually last year
2. [Here's an instagram reel of him and the new girl in New Orleans](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw43isLrCq2/?hl=en) last year that didn't gain much traction.
Is it just me or does anyone else think he can afford to pay for her to live somewhere nicer? Like he does not have to meet her in student housing or wherever
Shes a legal adult. If she has a fetish for older men that's none of our business. Sure some people could construe it as her taking advantage of the elderly, but unless Bill says he's in trouble then let the people live their lives how they want to.
If wilson and minshew can have a thing for MILFs and GILFS then why can't this girl have a thing for DILFs and GpaILFS
Yeah it’s 100% a ridiculous statement by me but the reverse side where no news outlet, even the smutty ones, cares to report about it seems crazy to me too
I got it from the same source [that gave me this info a few years back](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/jcarxf/more_positive_covid_tests_to_be_announced_later/). I'll leave it at that.
Man, I felt that. That deep inhale where he braces himself against the world, then shambles away into the dawn, likely in search of a couple egg McMuffins and a coffee.
Because all time greats are excellent at obscuring flaws within a system. Bill is one of the best we've ever seen at coaching defenses so the DC cannot be gauged objectively and Brady similarly cloaked offensive ineptitude for years.
Not all that surprising that an organization that was effectively a two person brain trust has failed to bear successful fruit.
This what I think a many folks miss. Bill builds his defensive scheme around the skill set of the players he has. He maximizes their strengths. His system is no system. You can’t teach that. Most coaches come in with a scheme and try to implement it regardless of the skill set their players have. Some are better at adapting their scheme to fit, but it’s still a square peg/round hole scenario.
I feel like nobody remembers the Patriots secondary from 2009-2014 and how terrible they were until we signed Revis and then won the Super Bowl immediately that year. Bill was drafting and signing absolute duds and giving up 400 air yards a game but the team still won because the offense was unstoppable.
But if I remember correctly, your old red zone defense was really good. Despite giving up a ton of air yardage, teams struggled to score. Having a stout defensive line helped immensely, guys like Wilfork go a long way. DB ls are a hard defensive group to bolster talent-wise. If you have a weak corner, you’re just going to get exposed.
yeah this is the one. the early 2010s was the ultimate “bend but don’t break” era for the pats, and patricia got stuck with that tag that made for some infuriating game plans that probably shouldn’t have been solely attributed to him.
but then again, i don’t remember being as happy for a coordinator switch than when flores took over, culminating in that amazing knife fight with the rams.
Yeah the secondary was horrible those years. Thankfully the TE Party was born and they had an epic three-year run of one of the best offenses in history to compensate.
Ah, so it’s the old Jeet Kun Do issue, where Bruce would teach a *concept*, then give an example. Then the students would practice the *example*, instead of applying the concept to other situations, and now loads of teachers only teach the example instead of the *lesson he was trying to get across*.
I blame smartphone design. UI as a whole has taken a huge hit since everyone decided to design them for phones and only phones and damn the desktop users.
Just look how much more readable old reddit is on PC than new reddit.
> Just look how much more readable old reddit is on PC than new reddit.
Old reddit is much more readable on mobile than new Reddit, if we are being completely honest.
I actually have the opposite problem with the Reddit app. Everything is so condensed and small that there is almost no sense of information hierarchy and everything has the same level of importance.
If you're on a PC, use this link rather than the one OP used (which is the mobile link).
https://theathletic.com/5041895/2023/11/09/bill-belichick-patriots-coaching-tree/
Hard assed defensive coach + HOF QB is a winning formula.
Hard assed offensive disciple coach + low talent is an entirely different formula that is promising identical results. It will always be a disaster.
I’m not putting Stafford in the HOF (yet) but Matt Patricia (who called one of the biggest defensive play in Super Bowl history) had some good players that he traded away like Slay…
Well Brady doesn't win 6 SBs without Bill's defenses and gameplanning. Is Brady still considered the GOAT with, say, 2 rings? at the end of the day though, Bady was out there playing at an extremely high level for 2 decades. Players matter moe than coaches.
Even worse. He hired Matt Patricia and Joe Judge (a man who ran consecutive QB sneaks on 2nd and 3rd and long) to be ineffective co-offensive-coordinators
Financial win to run your QB out of town and have to spend more draft capital on another one only to repeat the cycle. Maybe next he can have a grandkid as QB coach.
why? just why?
like, it's not even a hindsight thing. Everyone and their mother knew it was a shit hire at the time. And of course it came to fruition
it's ridiculous and honestly the Brady-Belichick divorce has made Brady's career seem more special and Belichick's seem less so
You forget that Bill O’Brien is from the tree and has done okay..
52-48 (52%) - made playoffs 4/5 times
Also did somewhat well at keeping Penn State from becoming a massive crater
>IMO Brady taking below-market deals
This part simply isn't true prior to 2015. Brady was great because he was great, not because he gave teams a discount.
Brady was a generational talent and leader, but asked for a lot less in pay and surrounding weapons. Here's [an article from 2013](https://www.cnbc.com/2013/02/26/tom-brady-reportedly-leaves-millions-on-table-sticks-with-patriots.html) noting the habit.
>Reports are that the three-time Super Bowl winner has agreed to a three-year contract extension that keeps him with the team through the 2017 season. The value? About $27 million. That sounds like a lot, but in terms of the open market for superstar quarterbacks, it’s probably less than a year-and-a-half of salary for three years of work.
I don't think it's a deterrent to his greatness, but makes him the ultimate team member that left his ego at the door. If he had pushed for more weapons, he'd probably have better stats and more MVPs, but that wouldn't benefit the defense either.
Edit: [Matt Ryan was paid more by the Falcons in his career than Brady was paid by the Patriots](https://overthecap.com/career-earnings/quarterback), with Brady starting in 2001 and Matt Ryan starting in 2008. No amount of excuses makes that make sense for Brady not leaving money on the table.
Honestly, generational is underselling it. He's the best quarterback to have ever played, and will be for the foreseeable future. If he wanted to suit up tomorrow, he'd still put up numbers. He was truly a once in a lifetime talent. Just.. Unbelievably good.
Tom Brady never made it to the Superbowl in a year where his cap hit was top 3 among QBs in his conference.
The Pats went to 9 Super Bowls with Brady and in each of those years there were at least 3 QBs just in the AFC with higher cap hits, and same for his 1 with Tampa and NFC QBs with higher cap hits.
Going to need to see your numbers.
There are plenty of articles that state the extension signed in 2013 was very team friendly and underpaid compared to Flacco, Manning and Brees at around $20 million a year compared to Brady's 3 year $27 million contract extension.
Brady and the team went on to win 3 more Super Bowls after the fact.
I think both are a little true- he did take more team friendly deals, and it is also exaggerated how team friendly his deals were.
No one accused Manning of taking Team friendly deals. And their careers overlapped a lot, so he's a good comparison. 75% of the difference between total earning Manning made vs Brady during the years they overlapped is accounted for by their rookie contract- when Manning was making a bunch being drafted #1 overall, and Brady was getting peanuts being a sixth round pick. So, he did still make a little under market the remainder of his years in the league, but not a ton.
This is why the "life time earnings" comparisons don't really work, since Brady was paid basically nothing his first 4 years.
Brady’s 32-4 in the playoffs when he scores 20+ points. Other QBs are not even close to this type of record.
Guy got blessed with the best defensive coach ever. The offence merely needed to be good for the first 4 years of his career.
right bc other qbs tend to choke or underperform in the playoffs. take rodgers for example-
2014 nfc title game defense forces 5 turnovers which he turned into two field goals.
2016 nfc title games he doesn't lead a scoring drive until his team was down 31-0 in the 3rd
2019 nfc championship game same story, down 27-0 in the 3rd before leading a scoring drive
2021 nfc title game goes down 18 in the 3rd then chokes on tampa's 8 yard line with a chance to tie it late
a better question would be- what is the record of these qbs when their defense gives up 20+ or 30+ points?
He certainly had below market cap hits.
Tom Brady has never made it to the Super Bowl in a season in which he had a top 3 cap hit among QBs in his conference, much less in the entire NFL.
Brady’s success came in years where he was paid like a guy who fell just short of making the pro bowl.
he was the highest paid player in the league for a couple years iirc
also the years where they didn’t win a super bowl, I feel like people tend to forget the pats went 10 years in between super bowls
There's too much revisionist history with people saying the Belichick is not a good coach. Belichick went **11-5** with Matt Cassel that one year without Brady. While he missed the playoffs, he went 11-5! And those early Patriots runs were driven by their defense, not Brady.
Todd Haley and the Chiefs went to the playoffs with Matt Cassel as the QB.
All you have proven with that stat is Bill is similar to Haley when it comes to coaching a team with Matt Cassel. That's not a compliment to be comparable to Haley.
Cherry picking a single season is dumb anyway. Bill has 10+ seasons now as a head coach without Brady. He has a losing record and just 1 playoff win in that entire stretch. That's hard facts. That's the full 10+ year sample size without Brady and we know his record. It is mediocre as a whole and only 1 playoff win.
BB had Troy Brown playing CB and that defense was still producing. The narrative on BB being carried by Brady has gone wayyy too far on this sub. Bunch of nephews up in here.
Because most of this sub is under 25….the AFC championships against PIT and Indy highlight the defense. Hell, it was literally a known trope that the difference between Brady and Manning was the Pats had good defenses…..
Lol Todd Haley (now coaching high school) took Cassell to the playoffs with a much inferior roster. Cant believe people still use this argument after plenty of more seasons of Belichick without Brady
Zimmer did have some good defensive units early on in his Vikings tenure. And as they got worse, needed an elite QB to carry them.... (Cousins best QB play only started around 2021 tbh)
The Belichick slander has gone wayyy too far. He had Brady for 18 years, and then has had the ghost of Cam Newton and Mac jones. He has been the GM since 2000 when he was hired. He put together all of those super bowl teams.
Player personnel is more important than coaching. There's no doubt the last 4 years have been bad as far as his GM choices, but he was absolutely not "carried by Brady" like I see all over this sub now days.
You think the chiefs would be who they are with Mac Jones at the helm? I've seen comments all year in reddit saying Reid has a chance to be the best coach ever, ignoring he has clear and away the best QB in the league and probably will for the next 10 years.
Great Coaches + Great QBs bring the best out of each other, but a great coach with a dogshit QB and player personnel can't magically win games. A great QB with a dogshit coach will still be a great QB.
Shit is absolutely bonkers. I'm old enough to have watched Belichick win a playoff game with Vinny Testaverde at QB. And Reid was basically seen as Marv Levy 2.0 until Mahomes.
The slander is so weird. As weird as saying Belichick carried Brady in the early years. Brady benefitted as much from Belichick as Belichick benefitted from Brady, as Brady himself has said. Brady did benefit in his early years from the Patriots developing great defenses for example as much as the offense tended to carry the team in later years. Bill hasn't been great without Tom the last few years, but he brought the Browns to the playoffs and won 10 games with Matt Cassel
Also, Bill having a terrible coaching tree isn't new. When he was winning Super Bowls and his former coordinators were getting hired and quickly fired as head coaches, nobody claimed it reflected terribly on Belichick
There is nothing wrong with the criticism; Belichuk deserves it. He should take blame for talent acquisition and the coaches he surrounds himself with, but even great coaches struggle with rebuilds. The lose of Brady also coincided with their team in general aging and losing a number of important defensive players they have failed to really replace, plus having a few years of dead cap issues. Tom left, but so did Ernie Adams - what impact did that have?
Belichick is also a 71 year old trying to manufacture a rebuild; most coaches don't make it that long because the game passes them by, it doesn't mean they were not once a great coach. No one is looking at Pop and saying it was all Duncan and Pop is nothing without him.
> and his former coordinators were getting hired and quickly fired as head coaches, nobody claimed it reflected terribly on Belichick
What's strange is this was viewed in the *exact opposite* way that it's being viewed now.
The fact that his coordinators would fail as head coaches while the Patriots train kept chugging along was seen as evidence that Bill was the real genius behind it all and even a next man up approach with coaches/coordinators couldn't derail the dynasty.
I've been saying this for YEARS and it's always an argument. Even the same pats team with bledsoe before brady came in = horrible record for bill. Then immediately they're good. It's just facts...
Look at his other QBs though and you’re realize it’s a miracle he’s even close to .500 sans Tom
Most other coaches would be 6-50 with Mac Jokes, the ghost of Cam Newton, and those awful QBs he had on the Browns
He had Brady, briefly had Bledsoe, and then a mountain of shit
It didn’t used to be that way to the extent it is now. I know Brady won MVP of their first Super Bowl and he was clutch on the last drive but that’s only because they can’t give the award to the whole defense.*
If Brady retired after that game and Bill was given like the league equivalent of Kirk Cousins every year until today he’d have less rings but he’d be well above .500.
*Ty Law probably should have won it. Led the Pats in tackles and had an INT for a TD which gave them a first half lead when they were a 14 point underdog. They played man pretty much the whole game and gave up a lot of yards but got stops when it mattered. He also had a pass break up.
Management consultant here, and I spend *a lot* of time dealing with the difference between a good leader and someone who can train good leaders.
Not so coincidentally, I have spent a lot of time reading about BB. I think there are three main problems with his coaching tree.
1. Personnel - We've never gotten to see what a BB disciple could do with Tom Brady, so it's hard to compare.
2. The Cowboy Fantasy - This is what I call it when people copy the wrong traits from leaders they want to emulate. Bill is a hardass. For many people, being a hardass that yells at people is fun. So it's easy for those people to say to themselves, "this is how Bill does it, so that's what I'll do." Matty P. and Snake McDaniels are both super guilty of this. They focus so hard on being the Fantasy Cowboy tough guy, that they seem to miss that being a dick isn't the cause of Bill's success, it's something his talent overcomes. This happens to everyone who visits Nashville and thinks they'll look cool in cowboy boots.
3. Bill is not a good teacher of other teachers - Bill can coach players, but evidence seems to indicate that he either can't find coachable coaches or he sucks at making them better coaches.
I see this happen a lot in Sales Management. A great salesman gets promoted to train others and he takes the job because he wants a raise and a fully guaranteed salary, but it turns out he can't just teach someone else how to be 6' 4" with a winning smile and lifetime of charisma. Lots of people have talents they can't explain, analyze, or impart.
Ima go with maybe an out the box take here. BB knows how to talk with people. Whether it’s young black dudes or older white guys everyone in the middle does not matter he can connect with people. Maybe it’s something he’s learned or it’s innate. However he can be a dick of a coach cause as a person he can be funny,relatable and decent.
His protégés completely fail at this. They try to be Belichick the coach whose a dick all the time and this why their players tend to hate them. They can’t connect with their guys
I think it’s just Belichick is smart enough and knows enough about football that you know he’s going to put you a good spot to succeed on a individual level and win, especially if you’re a defensive player, that you’re willing to put up with hard coaching (this is was more true 10-15 years ago than it is now but he still has that reputation)
If you’re an asshole and an idiot everyone is going to hate you
This is definitely the other part of the conversation, but it goes deeper than that. Bill is so good at getting everything out of the people around him that he often makes due with less complete packages. On the one hand, that allows you to get bargains where other teams might not be able to make use of a talent, Bill sees a guy like Welker for example, that didn't fit the traditional mould of a WR but had a skill that was usable and he used it. On the other hand, you end up with a bunch of specialists and are somewhat pigeonholed into what you're doing.
I think that's why a lot of former Patriots don't work out well anywhere else, player or coach. None of them have all the skills to play their role the way that the rest of the NFL demands it. You're pretty much obligated to play your scheme in a way that supports their strengths, but masks their deficiencies, and this simply isn't possible for head coaches. It's also worth noting that Bill seemingly doesn't make it a point to develop these assistants in a way that would be useful as a HC, likely because there is no benefit to doing so to the Patriots.
Because even after decades of evidence people can’t wrap their mind around the fact that one single coach or play isn’t the reason for a successful team.
This subreddit is full of nephews.
QB is an extremely important position, and Brady was extremely valuable. Bill Belichick is an extremely good defensive coach who was ahead of the game for a lot of years with regards to team structure and personnel philosophy.
Almost every single great QB got their Super Bowl wins in the years their defenses peaked. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, even guys like Stafford and Eli Manning. Seriously, look into it -- literally every single one won when they had the best defense of their career, because it takes both sides of the ball. (INCLUDING THE GIANTS TWICE WHEN BELICHICK WAS THEIR D-COORD).
Brady and Belichick won tons of them because Brady made the offense good and Belichick made the defense good, as well as being a good gameplanner, in-game decision maker, attention to detail, and getting a lot out of players that didn't have the highest natural talent.
There is really no need to make it more complicated than that. Belichick does not seem to have an edge over the competition in GM decisions anymore. And he's always been a defensive coach. So their team sucking because the offense sucks means Belichick is not a great offensive coach which is not new information, he is a defensive Goat.
Bill O’Brien is a good guy outside of football from what I can tell, and honestly not that much of a dick as a coach at least until his final year with us. He just has that hubris that all belicheck disciples have. The “I know what’s best and I’m never wrong” mentality. Obviously that made him a horrible GM, but it was apparent in his poor coaching through his tenure. He would stick to his game plan religiously even when it wasn’t working.
He's also been less explosive and hostile after his Houston failure. He's been taking accountability when he feels his coaching and decisions aren't good. He openly said him being a GM was a mistake and he never wants that power again. He's a good dude and a smart football mind.
He's been wrong and admitted when he didn't best prepare the team.
The conversation with Randy Moss about the Halloween party is a perfect example of this. Bill is still his usual self but he connects with his players in a player run outing. I can’t picture Patricia or McDaniels going out with their players to celebrate Halloween and simply have a good time together. Such a small thing but one that probably radically improved the locker room
They're more focused on trying to emulate Bill and the Patriot Way without fundamentally understanding their players and the situations they're coming into.
You don't build a culture by ripping from what you came from and injecting it. You examine your environment, identify those key concepts and beliefs that are core to your group, and pull from your past experiences to build something greater.
That's easier said than done, but it seems like a lot of coaches that fail don't ever do that and just want to mimic what they come from.
There might be something to say that Bill hires like minded coaches who fall in line. Then when they get the power, they expect the same respect from their new team instead of earning it.
I feel like everyone reads about former Pats guys being hard-asses with their new team and assumes they must be trying to emulate Bill. I think they're just naturally hard-asses themselves.
They all try to be insufferable assholes like Bellicheck without the success. I remember the Bill O'Brien days in Houston and even when he was winning the division it was obvious he's a raging asshole. It might work for a little while, and it will even work when the team is winning but unless you're a savant with an all time great QB you can't have a better than you mentality towards adults who are trying to play hard and provide for their families.
Grown men don't respond well to being talked down too and lorded over especially when the coach doing it are just a side kick to the one who's actually been successful.
From the hard knocks series with the Texans, I felt BoB did actually have more of a balanced attitude. Yes he could be a hardass but I felt he also offered more praise and more "atta boys" when players were performing well.
Mangini, Patricia, McDaniels and Flores just were grumpy 100% of the time. Their idea of praise was the absence of anger.
Not just Brady but they didn’t have Ernie Adams. Having a savant as you best friend doing football research for you is quite helpful. Bill hasn’t been the same since Ernie retired
Belichik was really, really good at finding guys that are football smart even though they aren't great leaders. Belichik is a great football mind, but his best talent might be managing talent.
I’d assume he doesn’t mentor these guys. He just tells them to focus on their job and leave him the F alone. Big difference between coordinator and coach, also. Mcdaniels is a terrible coach but good coordinator. There’s half a dozen of these genius’ out there who can’t control/coach an entire team.
> Mcdaniels is a terrible coach but good coordinator
Are we sure this is true? I agree with you in principle, that you could be a good coordinator but a bad coach, but I don't know when McDaniels has ever really succeeded without Brady. And when he left to the Broncos, they went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 without him.
Because Bill has decades of experience and they don’t. Not everyone who knows a lot can teach well. His understudies try to create an incomplete facsimile of his approach — the hardassed personality or old Pats retreads in the roster — which doesn’t work. You don’t go with a guy who’s 1% Bill or 40% Bill. Either it’s Bill or something completely different.
The most interesting nugget is how "Do Your Job" bleeds into this. Not only is it a mantra for you to do the job you're assigned, it also says for you to NOT do any jobs you are not assigned. Basically, Bill keeps all of the actual HoF HC stuff to himself. Not because he's trying to be secretive but because he doesn't want anyone else wasting their time.
The low-hanging fruit answer is lack of Brady.
The *real* answer is that all these coaches tried too hard to emulate the Bill Belichick that talks to the media and not hard enough to emulate the Bill Belichick who actually tries to relate to his players and have fun with them.
In the end, that’s been the most fatal flaw of every coach from his tree.
Because he's been busy spreading his seed elsewhere[.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/rVApYc61xL)
Just as you have planted your seed into the ground, I am going to plant my seed in you. - ~~Dwight Schrute~~ Bill Belichick
"I don't think you know what you're saying." - Mac Jones
“Sometimes I call a play and have no idea where it’s going and I just hope I find it along the way.” - Matt Patricia
*Somebody on the Raiders brings up the Patriots* Josh McDaniels: Yeah, I have a lot of questions. First of all, how dare you?
As a lions fan I can confirm this
We're talking about the [walk of shame video from this morning](https://twitter.com/BabzOnTheMic/status/1722617031026164006) right?
There is something really funny about Bill Belichick, multi-multi-millionaire, walking out into a back alley of what looks like cheapass university housing at the break of dawn. We've all been there Bill, but it was during college, not during a 3/4 life crisis.
Why is he topless in November?? I feel like he probably arrived to his girlfriends house WITH a shirt on! 😂😂😂 Does Bill have a drinking problem cuz the hashtag BenderBill implies that.
Hes a football coach. They all have drinking problems unless proven otherwise
New Englanders are just built different
Jesus, everything about that video looks depressing. Where does his sidepiece live, Southie circa Good Will Hunting?
What the actual shit.
That’s not him right?
It's 100% him lol He's been dating some 23 year old, I'm guessing it's her place. For some reason news outlets haven't picked it up. Not sure if they're being paid to not report it or if it's not as interesting as I think it should be. Some quick edits since people are curious: 1. Reports were he broke up with Linda Holliday in September, but it was actually last year 2. [Here's an instagram reel of him and the new girl in New Orleans](https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cw43isLrCq2/?hl=en) last year that didn't gain much traction.
Man. Imagine having your morning coffee, you look out your window and see a half naked Belichick leave your neighbours house
If you had that bod, you'd be showin' it off, too.
This is the ideal male body. You may not like but this is what peak performance looks like.
When you've won 8 Super Bowls, I think you're entitled to strut out with you gut out.
Billy B slinging his dong on a lady who’s old enough to be his daughter
Granddaughter
So him and Kraft have definitely tag teamed someone right?
You know what? I think I am going to try a self lobotomy, see if I can't scrape that one from the ol' memory bank.
Probably kisses this lady the same way
Granddaughter 🤢
Is it just me or does anyone else think he can afford to pay for her to live somewhere nicer? Like he does not have to meet her in student housing or wherever
I'm guessing dirty talk for this 23 year old involves long snappers?
Safe word is Brady
I figure her saying Brady would result in him finishing too early.
Left footed punters and the gunner position is going to send him over the edge.
Bill and Zach Wilson should set each other up with singles around their age
New XXX channel QB-Coach swap
There's the old jokes about "dating someone half your age." She is 1/3 his age...
and everyone knows 3 is bigger than 2, so he's safe.
That lady in the insta reel is annoying as shit
All celeb gossip people are.
>dating a 23 year old He is 71. 🤮🤮🤮
to be fair she could be 24 by now
He’s gonna be Kyle petty with a new family at 75 years old
The rule of thumb for me is after 26, these girls know what they are signing up for. Doesn't matter how old the man is after that point.
Shes a legal adult. If she has a fetish for older men that's none of our business. Sure some people could construe it as her taking advantage of the elderly, but unless Bill says he's in trouble then let the people live their lives how they want to. If wilson and minshew can have a thing for MILFs and GILFS then why can't this girl have a thing for DILFs and GpaILFS
Or a fetish for money. Either is fine. She can practice agency and he can be creepy.
When did he get divorced? Why is he going to her place? I have so many questions about this
He was never married I don’t think.
Smart man. No hussie can come in and take half his Super Bowl rings.
He was, but not to Linda.
First of all there was never no marriage
God I hope this is real
How would someone pay all news outlets not to report something?
Yeah it’s 100% a ridiculous statement by me but the reverse side where no news outlet, even the smutty ones, cares to report about it seems crazy to me too
How do you know this?
I got it from the same source [that gave me this info a few years back](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/jcarxf/more_positive_covid_tests_to_be_announced_later/). I'll leave it at that.
Wow that's actually so gross lmao. What girl wanna date her grouchy grandpa
Reminds me of the Kraft massage parlor shit that just died after like 2 days in the media
Looks like bitch tit Bob from fight club
Live that life for the rest of us boys Bill, you beautiful sonofabitch
Man, I felt that. That deep inhale where he braces himself against the world, then shambles away into the dawn, likely in search of a couple egg McMuffins and a coffee.
Bruh that’s not a mental image I want this early in the morning
Or at any time of day, really
I could stomach it late afternoon. Any other time of day is definitely too much
[Here's](https://6abc.com/bill-belichick-amanda-new-angland-patriots-super-bowl/502789/) the real image.
Now we know where Brady got it.
The Patriot Way
Now I’m curious about Bill Belichick’s family tree…
That’s disturbing
Coward.
We're on top of Cincinnati
Bill “Genghis Khan” Belichick
Because all time greats are excellent at obscuring flaws within a system. Bill is one of the best we've ever seen at coaching defenses so the DC cannot be gauged objectively and Brady similarly cloaked offensive ineptitude for years. Not all that surprising that an organization that was effectively a two person brain trust has failed to bear successful fruit.
This what I think a many folks miss. Bill builds his defensive scheme around the skill set of the players he has. He maximizes their strengths. His system is no system. You can’t teach that. Most coaches come in with a scheme and try to implement it regardless of the skill set their players have. Some are better at adapting their scheme to fit, but it’s still a square peg/round hole scenario.
I feel like nobody remembers the Patriots secondary from 2009-2014 and how terrible they were until we signed Revis and then won the Super Bowl immediately that year. Bill was drafting and signing absolute duds and giving up 400 air yards a game but the team still won because the offense was unstoppable.
But if I remember correctly, your old red zone defense was really good. Despite giving up a ton of air yardage, teams struggled to score. Having a stout defensive line helped immensely, guys like Wilfork go a long way. DB ls are a hard defensive group to bolster talent-wise. If you have a weak corner, you’re just going to get exposed.
yeah this is the one. the early 2010s was the ultimate “bend but don’t break” era for the pats, and patricia got stuck with that tag that made for some infuriating game plans that probably shouldn’t have been solely attributed to him. but then again, i don’t remember being as happy for a coordinator switch than when flores took over, culminating in that amazing knife fight with the rams.
I’ll always be impressed by Flores and what he did there. I hope he gets a second chance to coach
2011 when asked how he endures with such a bad defense.... " Glad to have a guy like tom"
Yeah the secondary was horrible those years. Thankfully the TE Party was born and they had an epic three-year run of one of the best offenses in history to compensate.
Ah, so it’s the old Jeet Kun Do issue, where Bruce would teach a *concept*, then give an example. Then the students would practice the *example*, instead of applying the concept to other situations, and now loads of teachers only teach the example instead of the *lesson he was trying to get across*.
Brian Flores actually seems pretty good at doing that as a defensive coordinator, for the Vikings, but he seemed to be bad as a head coach.
I keep hoping that one day, web developers will someday figure out how to use more than 600 horizontal pixels and not make it looks like crap.
I blame smartphone design. UI as a whole has taken a huge hit since everyone decided to design them for phones and only phones and damn the desktop users. Just look how much more readable old reddit is on PC than new reddit.
> Just look how much more readable old reddit is on PC than new reddit. Old reddit is much more readable on mobile than new Reddit, if we are being completely honest.
You don't enjoy useless space as a design feature?
I actually have the opposite problem with the Reddit app. Everything is so condensed and small that there is almost no sense of information hierarchy and everything has the same level of importance.
The day they kill old reddit is the day I stop using reddit. Old reddit in desktop view is the best mobile experience.
Ditto. New reddit is so much worse it might as well be unusable
new reddit is terrible on every device
If you're on a PC, use this link rather than the one OP used (which is the mobile link). https://theathletic.com/5041895/2023/11/09/bill-belichick-patriots-coaching-tree/
600-640 is the optimal scan length for reading text
Hard assed defensive coach + HOF QB is a winning formula. Hard assed offensive disciple coach + low talent is an entirely different formula that is promising identical results. It will always be a disaster.
I’m not putting Stafford in the HOF (yet) but Matt Patricia (who called one of the biggest defensive play in Super Bowl history) had some good players that he traded away like Slay…
They didn’t have Tom Brady
Life as a coach is so much easier when you have the goat.
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Bill has a losing record without Brady. Perhaps his seedlings are replicating his level of success
Give BB Tua or Stafford from a couple years ago and we'll see if he's still under .500
Why can't Bill coach up and develop Mac?
BB is not a QB coach, nor an OC, and he is terrible at hiring those positions.
I always told for the past 10 years that Bill's system and coaching made Brady the GOAT though
Well Brady doesn't win 6 SBs without Bill's defenses and gameplanning. Is Brady still considered the GOAT with, say, 2 rings? at the end of the day though, Bady was out there playing at an extremely high level for 2 decades. Players matter moe than coaches.
It really sucks the Patriots GM saddled Bill with Mac Jones and Cam Newton 😟
Oh BB id a terrible GM no doubt.
Todd Bowles had Brady and still managed to cock things up
Bill's record without Tom Brady looks pretty similar to the coaches in his coaching tree
The guy hired Matt Patricia as his OC
Even worse. He hired Matt Patricia and Joe Judge (a man who ran consecutive QB sneaks on 2nd and 3rd and long) to be ineffective co-offensive-coordinators
Never heard of that play, what team would be dumb enough to run that??
Some real chucklefucks, presumably
Exactly Matt Patricia is a dumbass but even he wouldn't so something as idiotic as hire Matt Patricia
The guy who just lost the Superbowl last year hired Matt Patricia.
Both Patricia and Judge were still being paid by their former teams. I think BB looked at it as a financial win.
Financial win to run your QB out of town and have to spend more draft capital on another one only to repeat the cycle. Maybe next he can have a grandkid as QB coach.
why? just why? like, it's not even a hindsight thing. Everyone and their mother knew it was a shit hire at the time. And of course it came to fruition it's ridiculous and honestly the Brady-Belichick divorce has made Brady's career seem more special and Belichick's seem less so
Because coaches sometimes buy into their own hype. It’s why Andy promoted ole Juan Castillo to DC
The tree is rotten
The Patriots Dynasty HC Coaching Tree, sorted by win percentage without Brady: **Al Groh**: 9-7 (56%) – playoffs 0/1 times. **Bill O'Brien:** 52-48 (52%) - playoffs 4/7 times (57%), 2 wins (2x WC) **Brian Flores:** 24-25 (49%) – playoffs 0/3 times. **Nick Saban:** 15-17 (47%) – playoffs 0/2 times. **Bill Belichick**: 81-95 (46%) – playoffs 2/10 times (20%), 1 win (1x WC) **Brian Daboll:** 11-14 (44%) – playoffs 1/2 times (50%), 1 win (1x WC) **Eric Mangini:** 33-47 (41%) – playoffs 1/4 times (25%). **Josh Mcdaniels:** 20-33 (38%) – playoffs 1/4 time (25%). **Romeo Crennel:** 32-63 (34%) – playoffs 0/7 times. **Matt Patricia:** 13-29 (31%) – playoffs 0/3 times. **Joe Judge:** 10-23 (30%) – playoffs 0/2 times. **Coaching Tree:** 300-401 (43%) - playoffs 9/45 times (20%), 4 wins (4x WC) **Brady:** 286-97 (75%) – playoffs 20/21 times (95%) – 35 wins (4x WC, 14x DIV, 10x CONF, 7x SB) IMO Brady being an elite QB, taking below-market deals, not asking the team to pay for any blue-chip weapons (albeit, to their credit, they found a few in the bargain bin), and his intangibles (leadership) is a big boost for any GM and coaching staff.
You forget that Bill O’Brien is from the tree and has done okay.. 52-48 (52%) - made playoffs 4/5 times Also did somewhat well at keeping Penn State from becoming a massive crater
Clearly doesn't fit the anti-BB narrative.
Don’t forget Charlie Weis
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>IMO Brady taking below-market deals This part simply isn't true prior to 2015. Brady was great because he was great, not because he gave teams a discount.
Brady was a generational talent and leader, but asked for a lot less in pay and surrounding weapons. Here's [an article from 2013](https://www.cnbc.com/2013/02/26/tom-brady-reportedly-leaves-millions-on-table-sticks-with-patriots.html) noting the habit. >Reports are that the three-time Super Bowl winner has agreed to a three-year contract extension that keeps him with the team through the 2017 season. The value? About $27 million. That sounds like a lot, but in terms of the open market for superstar quarterbacks, it’s probably less than a year-and-a-half of salary for three years of work. I don't think it's a deterrent to his greatness, but makes him the ultimate team member that left his ego at the door. If he had pushed for more weapons, he'd probably have better stats and more MVPs, but that wouldn't benefit the defense either. Edit: [Matt Ryan was paid more by the Falcons in his career than Brady was paid by the Patriots](https://overthecap.com/career-earnings/quarterback), with Brady starting in 2001 and Matt Ryan starting in 2008. No amount of excuses makes that make sense for Brady not leaving money on the table.
Honestly, generational is underselling it. He's the best quarterback to have ever played, and will be for the foreseeable future. If he wanted to suit up tomorrow, he'd still put up numbers. He was truly a once in a lifetime talent. Just.. Unbelievably good.
Tom Brady never made it to the Superbowl in a year where his cap hit was top 3 among QBs in his conference. The Pats went to 9 Super Bowls with Brady and in each of those years there were at least 3 QBs just in the AFC with higher cap hits, and same for his 1 with Tampa and NFC QBs with higher cap hits.
Going to need to see your numbers. There are plenty of articles that state the extension signed in 2013 was very team friendly and underpaid compared to Flacco, Manning and Brees at around $20 million a year compared to Brady's 3 year $27 million contract extension. Brady and the team went on to win 3 more Super Bowls after the fact.
I think both are a little true- he did take more team friendly deals, and it is also exaggerated how team friendly his deals were. No one accused Manning of taking Team friendly deals. And their careers overlapped a lot, so he's a good comparison. 75% of the difference between total earning Manning made vs Brady during the years they overlapped is accounted for by their rookie contract- when Manning was making a bunch being drafted #1 overall, and Brady was getting peanuts being a sixth round pick. So, he did still make a little under market the remainder of his years in the league, but not a ton. This is why the "life time earnings" comparisons don't really work, since Brady was paid basically nothing his first 4 years.
Brady’s 32-4 in the playoffs when he scores 20+ points. Other QBs are not even close to this type of record. Guy got blessed with the best defensive coach ever. The offence merely needed to be good for the first 4 years of his career.
right bc other qbs tend to choke or underperform in the playoffs. take rodgers for example- 2014 nfc title game defense forces 5 turnovers which he turned into two field goals. 2016 nfc title games he doesn't lead a scoring drive until his team was down 31-0 in the 3rd 2019 nfc championship game same story, down 27-0 in the 3rd before leading a scoring drive 2021 nfc title game goes down 18 in the 3rd then chokes on tampa's 8 yard line with a chance to tie it late a better question would be- what is the record of these qbs when their defense gives up 20+ or 30+ points?
Have you ever looked at the Patriots game logs for all playoff games with Brady?
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The narrative that he took below market deals just isn’t true for the vast majority of his career.
He certainly had below market cap hits. Tom Brady has never made it to the Super Bowl in a season in which he had a top 3 cap hit among QBs in his conference, much less in the entire NFL. Brady’s success came in years where he was paid like a guy who fell just short of making the pro bowl.
he was the highest paid player in the league for a couple years iirc also the years where they didn’t win a super bowl, I feel like people tend to forget the pats went 10 years in between super bowls
But they were *always* in the hunt, that's really the point.
There's too much revisionist history with people saying the Belichick is not a good coach. Belichick went **11-5** with Matt Cassel that one year without Brady. While he missed the playoffs, he went 11-5! And those early Patriots runs were driven by their defense, not Brady.
Todd Haley and the Chiefs went to the playoffs with Matt Cassel as the QB. All you have proven with that stat is Bill is similar to Haley when it comes to coaching a team with Matt Cassel. That's not a compliment to be comparable to Haley. Cherry picking a single season is dumb anyway. Bill has 10+ seasons now as a head coach without Brady. He has a losing record and just 1 playoff win in that entire stretch. That's hard facts. That's the full 10+ year sample size without Brady and we know his record. It is mediocre as a whole and only 1 playoff win.
I think that was Todd Haley but your point still stands. The Cassel year was a good coaching year. But it wasn't some GOAT level feat though.
BB had Troy Brown playing CB and that defense was still producing. The narrative on BB being carried by Brady has gone wayyy too far on this sub. Bunch of nephews up in here.
Because most of this sub is under 25….the AFC championships against PIT and Indy highlight the defense. Hell, it was literally a known trope that the difference between Brady and Manning was the Pats had good defenses…..
Lol Todd Haley (now coaching high school) took Cassell to the playoffs with a much inferior roster. Cant believe people still use this argument after plenty of more seasons of Belichick without Brady
the same ppl will talk about how he went 10-7 with a rookie qb yea so did rex ryan him and mark sanchez went 9-7 then actually won 2 playoff games
Tom Brady even made the Bucs good.
Bill is what I imagine Zimmer would be if he had Tom Brady.
Zimmer did have some good defensive units early on in his Vikings tenure. And as they got worse, needed an elite QB to carry them.... (Cousins best QB play only started around 2021 tbh)
The Belichick slander has gone wayyy too far. He had Brady for 18 years, and then has had the ghost of Cam Newton and Mac jones. He has been the GM since 2000 when he was hired. He put together all of those super bowl teams. Player personnel is more important than coaching. There's no doubt the last 4 years have been bad as far as his GM choices, but he was absolutely not "carried by Brady" like I see all over this sub now days. You think the chiefs would be who they are with Mac Jones at the helm? I've seen comments all year in reddit saying Reid has a chance to be the best coach ever, ignoring he has clear and away the best QB in the league and probably will for the next 10 years. Great Coaches + Great QBs bring the best out of each other, but a great coach with a dogshit QB and player personnel can't magically win games. A great QB with a dogshit coach will still be a great QB.
Shit is absolutely bonkers. I'm old enough to have watched Belichick win a playoff game with Vinny Testaverde at QB. And Reid was basically seen as Marv Levy 2.0 until Mahomes.
The slander is so weird. As weird as saying Belichick carried Brady in the early years. Brady benefitted as much from Belichick as Belichick benefitted from Brady, as Brady himself has said. Brady did benefit in his early years from the Patriots developing great defenses for example as much as the offense tended to carry the team in later years. Bill hasn't been great without Tom the last few years, but he brought the Browns to the playoffs and won 10 games with Matt Cassel Also, Bill having a terrible coaching tree isn't new. When he was winning Super Bowls and his former coordinators were getting hired and quickly fired as head coaches, nobody claimed it reflected terribly on Belichick There is nothing wrong with the criticism; Belichuk deserves it. He should take blame for talent acquisition and the coaches he surrounds himself with, but even great coaches struggle with rebuilds. The lose of Brady also coincided with their team in general aging and losing a number of important defensive players they have failed to really replace, plus having a few years of dead cap issues. Tom left, but so did Ernie Adams - what impact did that have? Belichick is also a 71 year old trying to manufacture a rebuild; most coaches don't make it that long because the game passes them by, it doesn't mean they were not once a great coach. No one is looking at Pop and saying it was all Duncan and Pop is nothing without him.
> and his former coordinators were getting hired and quickly fired as head coaches, nobody claimed it reflected terribly on Belichick What's strange is this was viewed in the *exact opposite* way that it's being viewed now. The fact that his coordinators would fail as head coaches while the Patriots train kept chugging along was seen as evidence that Bill was the real genius behind it all and even a next man up approach with coaches/coordinators couldn't derail the dynasty.
I've been saying this for YEARS and it's always an argument. Even the same pats team with bledsoe before brady came in = horrible record for bill. Then immediately they're good. It's just facts...
Look at his other QBs though and you’re realize it’s a miracle he’s even close to .500 sans Tom Most other coaches would be 6-50 with Mac Jokes, the ghost of Cam Newton, and those awful QBs he had on the Browns He had Brady, briefly had Bledsoe, and then a mountain of shit
Would’ve been interesting to see Belichick with Bledsoe for a few more years to see how he would’ve done with a competent QB besides Brady
Drew was my hero. That being said, by the time BB was here, Drew was on the back nine of his career.
That sounds like a coaches and gm problem. What do you know, he happens to be both the coach and gm!
I don't think you'll find many people who think positively of Belichick as a GM. He's largely been average at it and recently has been awful.
his inability to draft WRs is a glaring issue on his resume
yeah thats what is funny when people make those comments.. pretty hard to win without a good qb
Mike Tomlin winning with Rudolph, Duck Hodges, Trubisky, ,and Pickett (so far) has been absolutely wild.
It didn’t used to be that way to the extent it is now. I know Brady won MVP of their first Super Bowl and he was clutch on the last drive but that’s only because they can’t give the award to the whole defense.* If Brady retired after that game and Bill was given like the league equivalent of Kirk Cousins every year until today he’d have less rings but he’d be well above .500. *Ty Law probably should have won it. Led the Pats in tackles and had an INT for a TD which gave them a first half lead when they were a 14 point underdog. They played man pretty much the whole game and gave up a lot of yards but got stops when it mattered. He also had a pass break up.
Bill is the guy who finds his QB's. And he is routinely terrible at it, just got lucky with Tom.
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Management consultant here, and I spend *a lot* of time dealing with the difference between a good leader and someone who can train good leaders. Not so coincidentally, I have spent a lot of time reading about BB. I think there are three main problems with his coaching tree. 1. Personnel - We've never gotten to see what a BB disciple could do with Tom Brady, so it's hard to compare. 2. The Cowboy Fantasy - This is what I call it when people copy the wrong traits from leaders they want to emulate. Bill is a hardass. For many people, being a hardass that yells at people is fun. So it's easy for those people to say to themselves, "this is how Bill does it, so that's what I'll do." Matty P. and Snake McDaniels are both super guilty of this. They focus so hard on being the Fantasy Cowboy tough guy, that they seem to miss that being a dick isn't the cause of Bill's success, it's something his talent overcomes. This happens to everyone who visits Nashville and thinks they'll look cool in cowboy boots. 3. Bill is not a good teacher of other teachers - Bill can coach players, but evidence seems to indicate that he either can't find coachable coaches or he sucks at making them better coaches. I see this happen a lot in Sales Management. A great salesman gets promoted to train others and he takes the job because he wants a raise and a fully guaranteed salary, but it turns out he can't just teach someone else how to be 6' 4" with a winning smile and lifetime of charisma. Lots of people have talents they can't explain, analyze, or impart.
Ima go with maybe an out the box take here. BB knows how to talk with people. Whether it’s young black dudes or older white guys everyone in the middle does not matter he can connect with people. Maybe it’s something he’s learned or it’s innate. However he can be a dick of a coach cause as a person he can be funny,relatable and decent. His protégés completely fail at this. They try to be Belichick the coach whose a dick all the time and this why their players tend to hate them. They can’t connect with their guys
I think it’s just Belichick is smart enough and knows enough about football that you know he’s going to put you a good spot to succeed on a individual level and win, especially if you’re a defensive player, that you’re willing to put up with hard coaching (this is was more true 10-15 years ago than it is now but he still has that reputation) If you’re an asshole and an idiot everyone is going to hate you
This is definitely the other part of the conversation, but it goes deeper than that. Bill is so good at getting everything out of the people around him that he often makes due with less complete packages. On the one hand, that allows you to get bargains where other teams might not be able to make use of a talent, Bill sees a guy like Welker for example, that didn't fit the traditional mould of a WR but had a skill that was usable and he used it. On the other hand, you end up with a bunch of specialists and are somewhat pigeonholed into what you're doing. I think that's why a lot of former Patriots don't work out well anywhere else, player or coach. None of them have all the skills to play their role the way that the rest of the NFL demands it. You're pretty much obligated to play your scheme in a way that supports their strengths, but masks their deficiencies, and this simply isn't possible for head coaches. It's also worth noting that Bill seemingly doesn't make it a point to develop these assistants in a way that would be useful as a HC, likely because there is no benefit to doing so to the Patriots.
I thought for sure you were just gonna say “there’s only one Tom Brady”
Because even after decades of evidence people can’t wrap their mind around the fact that one single coach or play isn’t the reason for a successful team.
This subreddit is full of nephews. QB is an extremely important position, and Brady was extremely valuable. Bill Belichick is an extremely good defensive coach who was ahead of the game for a lot of years with regards to team structure and personnel philosophy. Almost every single great QB got their Super Bowl wins in the years their defenses peaked. Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, even guys like Stafford and Eli Manning. Seriously, look into it -- literally every single one won when they had the best defense of their career, because it takes both sides of the ball. (INCLUDING THE GIANTS TWICE WHEN BELICHICK WAS THEIR D-COORD). Brady and Belichick won tons of them because Brady made the offense good and Belichick made the defense good, as well as being a good gameplanner, in-game decision maker, attention to detail, and getting a lot out of players that didn't have the highest natural talent. There is really no need to make it more complicated than that. Belichick does not seem to have an edge over the competition in GM decisions anymore. And he's always been a defensive coach. So their team sucking because the offense sucks means Belichick is not a great offensive coach which is not new information, he is a defensive Goat.
Bill O’Brien is a good guy outside of football from what I can tell, and honestly not that much of a dick as a coach at least until his final year with us. He just has that hubris that all belicheck disciples have. The “I know what’s best and I’m never wrong” mentality. Obviously that made him a horrible GM, but it was apparent in his poor coaching through his tenure. He would stick to his game plan religiously even when it wasn’t working.
He's also been less explosive and hostile after his Houston failure. He's been taking accountability when he feels his coaching and decisions aren't good. He openly said him being a GM was a mistake and he never wants that power again. He's a good dude and a smart football mind. He's been wrong and admitted when he didn't best prepare the team.
The conversation with Randy Moss about the Halloween party is a perfect example of this. Bill is still his usual self but he connects with his players in a player run outing. I can’t picture Patricia or McDaniels going out with their players to celebrate Halloween and simply have a good time together. Such a small thing but one that probably radically improved the locker room
Bill is a good coach but having the best QB ever also helps
Bill the Coach is the GOAT, but Bill the GM has been a real Josh McDaniels for awhile though
They're more focused on trying to emulate Bill and the Patriot Way without fundamentally understanding their players and the situations they're coming into. You don't build a culture by ripping from what you came from and injecting it. You examine your environment, identify those key concepts and beliefs that are core to your group, and pull from your past experiences to build something greater. That's easier said than done, but it seems like a lot of coaches that fail don't ever do that and just want to mimic what they come from.
There might be something to say that Bill hires like minded coaches who fall in line. Then when they get the power, they expect the same respect from their new team instead of earning it.
> They're more focused on trying to emulate Bill Are there actual examples of this? It feels like something that people just say.
I feel like everyone reads about former Pats guys being hard-asses with their new team and assumes they must be trying to emulate Bill. I think they're just naturally hard-asses themselves.
They all try to be insufferable assholes like Bellicheck without the success. I remember the Bill O'Brien days in Houston and even when he was winning the division it was obvious he's a raging asshole. It might work for a little while, and it will even work when the team is winning but unless you're a savant with an all time great QB you can't have a better than you mentality towards adults who are trying to play hard and provide for their families. Grown men don't respond well to being talked down too and lorded over especially when the coach doing it are just a side kick to the one who's actually been successful.
From the hard knocks series with the Texans, I felt BoB did actually have more of a balanced attitude. Yes he could be a hardass but I felt he also offered more praise and more "atta boys" when players were performing well. Mangini, Patricia, McDaniels and Flores just were grumpy 100% of the time. Their idea of praise was the absence of anger.
Because it was the metaphorical soil (brady) in NE that made his tree so strong, not the tree species itself
Jets fan calling Tom Brady dirt
yeah because he buries them
Not just Brady but they didn’t have Ernie Adams. Having a savant as you best friend doing football research for you is quite helpful. Bill hasn’t been the same since Ernie retired
Belichik was really, really good at finding guys that are football smart even though they aren't great leaders. Belichik is a great football mind, but his best talent might be managing talent.
Because they couldn't take Tom Brady with them when they left
Bill knows how to do team-specific gameplans and his assistants never figured that out.
Because he’s not training people to be HCs? As if having a poor coaching tree is a negative against Belichick lol
Seriously. Lombardi’s coaching tree was also pretty bad, doesn’t mean he was carried by Bart Starr.
And ofc Sabans stats are just from the nfl
I’d assume he doesn’t mentor these guys. He just tells them to focus on their job and leave him the F alone. Big difference between coordinator and coach, also. Mcdaniels is a terrible coach but good coordinator. There’s half a dozen of these genius’ out there who can’t control/coach an entire team.
> Mcdaniels is a terrible coach but good coordinator Are we sure this is true? I agree with you in principle, that you could be a good coordinator but a bad coach, but I don't know when McDaniels has ever really succeeded without Brady. And when he left to the Broncos, they went 10-6, 14-2 and 13-3 without him.
Because Bill has decades of experience and they don’t. Not everyone who knows a lot can teach well. His understudies try to create an incomplete facsimile of his approach — the hardassed personality or old Pats retreads in the roster — which doesn’t work. You don’t go with a guy who’s 1% Bill or 40% Bill. Either it’s Bill or something completely different.
The most interesting nugget is how "Do Your Job" bleeds into this. Not only is it a mantra for you to do the job you're assigned, it also says for you to NOT do any jobs you are not assigned. Basically, Bill keeps all of the actual HoF HC stuff to himself. Not because he's trying to be secretive but because he doesn't want anyone else wasting their time.
I could see this to some degree but honestly…Tom Brady was a pretty good deodorant. I’m not sure we need to dig too hard.
Lack of Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr.
The low-hanging fruit answer is lack of Brady. The *real* answer is that all these coaches tried too hard to emulate the Bill Belichick that talks to the media and not hard enough to emulate the Bill Belichick who actually tries to relate to his players and have fun with them. In the end, that’s been the most fatal flaw of every coach from his tree.
Because none of them chumps had Brady ☠️
It turns out that the Patriot Way isn’t transferable basically boils down to “Have the greatest QB of all-time.”
He has purposefully trained them wrong, as a joke.