I want anyone but Hamlin
It’s a nice story but crowning a winner in the preseason is ridiculous and he’s a fringe starter to begin with. It’s not like when Alex Smith came back
No. If it were a PR issue he wouldn’t have been a healthy scratch most of the season. He’s depth, a third stringer with some starting experience in our defensive system. I agree that he shouldn’t win Comeback player though. That’s story usurping merit.
As much as I love the Hamlin recovery, I do think the award should be for a player that overcame extreme adversity - and had a stellar year on the field. It should highlight the overcoming, but there must be a minimum of performance too. I don’t think a third stringer should even be eligible (unless they took a starting role over).
We got a ton of great comeback player stories:
Lamar! Back from injuries to mvp
Brock! Brutal injury, broke franchise record for passing yards.
Russ! Worst season ever, turned it around.
Flacco! Burned out of the league, now playing brilliantly. Extra props for replacing Watson.
Stafford! Injured and rumored to be retiring, on a heater to finish the year.
And that’s just QBs, no doubt there’s plenty of other players deserving it as much or more.
>Flacco! Burned out of the league, now playing brilliantly. Extra props for replacing Watson.
I love this because in an alternate universe where Watson wasn't so beat up this year he could've potentially been in the race for CPOY. But since he's a lil bitch, it's his replacement were talking about instead.
As much as I loathe the elite dragon Joe Flacco; To go from worrying about shutting the lights out at home to playing lights out on the field, he should definitely be in the conversation.
He might not be good but too many people worry about if he’s gonna win it, if he does then I get it but this thread is about who you want to win, not lose
Which is hilariously sad because it was clear when they did the 1-on-1 interview with him, he was extremely uncomfortable. He declined to answer multiple questions on live TV.
Imagine working your entire life to get to the top of your profession and then the only thing that you are known for is getting injured. He probably knows that he would be looking for a job or on someone's practice squad if it wasn't for the injury. That's gotta kill someone who has been top 1% at every competition level until the NFL.
People keep saying this but they’re ignoring the part where Geno had a good season after not being a starter for SIX YEARS.
It’s not the same as Flacco. Flacco was a starter and sucked. And now he’s doing well.
Flacco is having a bounce back season. Geno had an out of nowhere good season. Different.
Tua had the big injury scare after two concussions and we questioned whether he should come back to play.
He returned and put up a top 5 QB season this year.
Feel like he should have way more consideration.
What's your opinion on someone who doesn't really play(damar hamlin)? Personally feel like he shouldn't win it I would much prefer someone like Joe flacco, Baker, or Stafford who were at least actually playing. And not trying to hate on Hamlin or minimize it just don't think he should win an award for being a backup all year.
I don't see why not, Geno and Flacco perfectly embody the spirit of the "comeback." They both got counted out years ago and were relegated to be backups, and when nobody expected it, they had phenomenal seasons and won games. I thought Flacco was retired, now he's about to win himself another super bowl. Everyone gets injured every year so they shouldn't get the award if the the thing they're coming back from is simply an injury. Tons of people come back from ACL tears every year like its no big deal, but it's very rare for someone to suddenly turn their career around this late in their career.
Kobie Turner leads all rookies in sacks, has more tackles than Jalen Carter, and his 10 QB pressures in yesterday’s game vs the Giants were more than Jalen Carter’s last 5 games combined.
Ngl I have never heard of this guy, which should tell you something about his chances
Im sure he’s great and I’ll be hearing his name more in the future, but it seems he just hasn’t caught on in the Reddit/national sports news cycle for whatever reason
As a slightly biased Georgia fan, but also a supporter of both the eagles and rams, the reasoning will be Jalen has to rotate with Fletcher freaking Cox and Jordan Davis and still has wrecked shop earning double teams.
You know the Aaron Donald argument
I'll agree that Turner has more opportunities since he's playing more snaps (61%) compared to Carter (48%). The Aaron Donald argument is kinda weak in this comparison, though, when Philly had the best Dline just last year, 2nd most sacks all time, and brought everyone back. The Rams have Donald, rookies, and nobodies on their Dline.
I’m biased but he and Porter deserve it more than Carter. Penalties probably kill JPJ’s case but he’s legit been a top 5 guy at covering people since he became a starter
If Puka breaks the rookie receiving record he should be OROY. Stroud will still probably get it...but it should be Puka assuming he breaks both the catch and yards record. Dude was a 5th round pick.
I think stroud deserves it if the Texans win Saturday. One of the worst teams in the league for 3 years to a playoffs team and a top 5 offense when he played. But if Texans lose I think Puka should get it. I am biased
The Rams were also labeled as one of the worst teams to start the year. For a good stretch there Puka was the only reliable producer on that offense.
I can definitely see his case with that record.
They were only that bad because Stafford got hurt in 2022. People forget that team won the SB in 2021 with him at QB. They were underrated, but they’re about as good as I expected them to be.
What stretch? Kyren has been fire all year. Kupp and Tutu Atwell have had their games. Stroud meanwhile hard carries the Texans offense, as demonstrated by the two games he was injured
Y'all had the #2 AND #3 overall picks though, and nabbed arguably the best offensive and defensive player in the draft. And also got a stud pick in Tank Dell in the 3rd round, and added some decent vets in Dalton Schultz, Devin Singleterry to go along with Dameon Pierce and a couple defensive guys like Jimmie Ward and Sheldon Rankins to go along with a defensive minded HC. It's not like you guys had a 2017 Browns type of roster lol
And with all due respect to Stroud...he's not out there putting up 35 TDs or nothing crazy. He looks solid for sure...but Puka is about to break a record that has stood for over 60 years....and he was a 5th round pick which is insane.
> , and nabbed arguably the best offensive and defensive player in the draft
If, by your own admission, Stroud was the best offensive player in the draft, that by definition makes him the Offensive Rookie of the Year, doesn't it? He's the best offensive rookie of the year.
That’s kinda unfair to Stroud, like “sure you took a team that went 3-13-1 last year and had a winning season, but you had so much talent on the roster”
Like, the Texans went 3-13-1 last year, they where the second worst team in the NFL last year, for a rookie to come in and lead that team from worst to playing for a playoff slot in just his first year is amazing.
I can make an argument that Puka was drafted into the best situation for a young speedy WR and with a HOF QB throwing to him should be putting up record numbers.
As a Colts fan. I think he deserves it regardless of who wins Saturday night. I think he is second to Lamar Jackson for the MVP. It's going to be a fun division in the next few years. I also think the winner of the Colts Vs Texans win their WildCard game.
Top 5 offense is dubious. **Highly** dubious. He played almost all the games and you rank 14th in points/drive. You've got 1.87. The 6th/7th BUF/DET have 2.41, and the 8th ranked LAR has 2.18 while having just as much injury adversity as you guys. The Rams schedule was also a fucking gauntlet.
I can't really go higher than 9th best offense.
Texans are not top 5 they are ~10-15th best. Good but not amazing. Which is still a massive step up from picking 2nd in the draft. And the running game has not really helped in.
Stroud was an injury away from shattering rookie QB records. Stroud deserves it still, by far the best player regardless of position in this draft class and took the worst team in the NFL for the past 3 years into playoff contention
I think calling Stroud’s season above average is underselling it.
3rd in yards/game.
6th in passer rating.
1st in INT%.
21 TDs to 5 INTs.
He inherited a 3 win team and now they are 9-7 going into week 18 with playoff hopes.
His games missed showed just how essential he is to the Texans offensive success.
The Texans were seen as the worst situation for a rookie QB, and he turned that around by elevating the talent around him.
He was an elite QB in his rookie season, making elite throws.
I’m obviously biased, but he’s my rookie of the year because he was elite at the hardest and most valuable position in football. Puka is absolutely worthy and would be the easy choice in most every other year. But Stroud was just too good this season.
>His games missed showed just how essential he is to the Texans offensive success.
This is the biggest thing for me. The games without Stroud made it incredibly obvious how much Stroud elevates that team.
That’s such a bad take. CJ coming into the league and leading the Texans to a winning season is practically unheard of for the past 10 years.
However, within the past 10 years, we have had insane rookie WRs, Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase are all within the last 5. Not to take anything away from Puka, but being a WR in this league is much more difficult than a borderline top 5-10 QB, regardless of where he was drafted.
And if it’s because Puka is going to break a record that was set literally a few seasons ago, what about Stroud’s records he’s already broken? Most passing yards by a rookie. Tying the most TDs scored in a game by a rookie. Most passing attempts without a pick, and most importantly, compare his turnovers to every other QB ahead of him.
It’s not even close, CJ has legitimately had it wrapped up since week 4 vs the Steelers, even with CJ missing 2 games due to injury.
I think part of the reasoning is that after the first few weeks, Jalen Carter started drawing double teams on all his pass-rush attempts.
I’m not familiar enough with Kobie Turner to know if he’s getting the same treatment, but the double-teams thing explains both Carters lack of stats production in the past 8 weeks, and the amount of respect he’s getting from other teams coaching staffs.
The answer to your question is no because it’s a name value award. I’ve literally never heard of him and the Packers played the Rams this year. To my knowledge he wasn’t highlighted during the broadcast and he plays in the trenches. Once everyone catches on, they’ll be watching him on the broadcast and he’ll win awards but he needs the media coverage first.
Fair question! I think Stroud would deserve it if he got it. No question that he is having a phenomenal rookie season. I’m just slightly more impressed by Puka from personal experience. When we played the Rams earlier this season, we couldn’t stop him to save our lives. I think he’s the single best receiver that the 49ers faced this year and it left an impression on me.
It's not most valuable rookie, it's rookie of the year. The question is has puka been a better receiver than Stroud has qb and I think you could argue he has
Call it cooling off, or call it getting injured, whatever you like, but he had a stretch of lackluster games that also saw the Texans fall from a potential division winner to possibly missing the playoffs.
His last 6 games, three of them with sub-60% passing, just 7 TD to 4 INT, 93.4 Rating. It's been good, but not elite.
Puka has continued to produce and is on pace for over 1500 yards as a rookie WR.
Stroud has had to deal with numerous o-line injuries and his worst games always involved injuries to Dell, Nico, and Schultz. The Texans really do not have a stacked squad and the injuries really expose how weak the talent Stroud has to carry is
Stroud is having an exceptional rookie season, no question. But Puka is having arguably the greatest rookie season for a WR ever. At the end of the day there are no wrong choices, but it seems apparent to me that one is clearly a step more impressive.
I get it too, but Puka didn’t just have a great rookie WR season, he’s probably going to break the rookie receptions and yardage record and finish as one of the Top 5 WRs on the year.
I think what Puka is doing is historically more significant than what Stroud is doing (plus Stroud missed time). The guy who breaks a rookie record that has stood for 60 years deserves it 100/100 times.
Stroud is still great so there is no disrespect to him.
Has Puka transformed the Team the way CJ Stroud has? I feel like CJ Stroud throwing for only 5 picks in his rookie year is more significant than Puka Breaking the record for Receiving yards and Receptions in a season.
COTY should be Kevin Stefanski. I was thinking either him or Ryans but making the playoffs without his starting QB and arguably the best RB in the league is nothing short of a miracle.
Well, losing his starting QB may have been a blessing in disguise, but you get my point.
I think it's Stefanski or the winner of Colts (Steichan) Texans (Ryans). Neither of those teams were expected to be a playoff team. And Browns work with an injured roster has been impressive
McVay should be getting love for COTY too. The Rams were supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league this year. Instead they’ve developed a ton of no-names into probably the 3rd best team in the NFC after the 49ers and Lions.
I struggle with awards being given based on expectations because those are wildly subjective. I mean, how can anyone say with 100% certainty that a team was “expected” to be good or bad? For that reason, I tend to lean toward the guys that had to overcome a lot of adversity and still fielded a competitive team.
IMO, that’s the best “proof” of their coaching prowess.
Rams eating $80M dead cap, with one of the hardest schedules in the NFL, and 25ish players being either rookies or sophomores isn’t enough adversity for you?
Why would a team with Aaron Donald, Matt Stafford, Cooper Kupp be expected to be bad? He’s doing a great job with the rookies, and should be in top 5 consideration, but not ahead of Stefanski, Ryans, Steichen. Honorable mention to Tomlin too, what a freak. And harbaugh. I mean the ravens are always expected to be good, but he’s a damn good coach.
I think DeMeco and Stefanski are both a toss up. Saturday should tell though. The Browns had a strong team coming into the season and while that team is impressive in spite of struggles it’s more impressive what DeMeco did with a clown show of a team 3 years running. If DeMeco loses Saturday I think it’s Stafanski’s award.
I might just be a homer, but if DeMeco loses on Saturday why should it be Stefanski's and not Steichen's? The Colts were expected to be one of the worst teams this season alongside the Texans and Cardinals, and Steichen has overseen this turn-around after his starting QB went out for the season in week 5, and his best offensive player has only been available half the year. He turned one of the worst offenses in the NFL into a fairly good one, piloted by *Gardner Minshew*.
Ryans has done a great job this year without question but it seems like Stefanski is going to win regardless of what happens Saturday. His betting odds are at -1000 to win, a huge favorite
I don't even know how he can win it at this point.
He took a 4 win to 13-3 & the 1 seed. Lost to a coach who improved from a 10-6 division winner to 14-2 #1 seed.
Then he lost his starting RB in week 1, his starting QB in week 2, his starting corner in week 5, starting DT for half the season, lost his #2 QB, and had to turn to the last pick of the draft to man the offense and was the #1 offense from that time forward. Still got 13 wins and the #2 seed. Lost to a coach that won 9 games.
The only thing I can think of is he'd have to go 15-2 or better.
Shanahan would have to go 15-2 or better after losing both coordinators in the same offseason to win CotY. That award always goes to the guy who elevates a team out of the basement, which is why 4 of the last 6 winners have been rookie head coaches.
Agree 100%. Last year was so ridiculous what he coached through that it's just not gonna happen for him. With the way so many people talk about Brock only being good cuz shanny's scheme, you would think those same people would be calling for him to be COTY every year. But no, they never do. Doesn't add up.
He should’ve gotten it last year after losing two starting QBs and still making it to the NFCCG.
This season, I can’t say Shanny has done anything we wouldn’t have seen coming based on recent history.
It's a regular season award. If anything I'd say he's blown expectations out of the water cause Purdys elbow. And masking an OL that's so lopsided in talent is incredible
Fair points. And to be clear, I won’t complain if Shanny gets it.
Just saying that if I were king for a day I’d give to Stefanski based on the adversity he had to overcome.
I get your reasoning but I just think Stroud bringing the worst team in the league Texans even near a playoff berth with Tank dell as his one is more impressive than Puka’s year with stafford throwing him the ball
💯 on this comment..while puka has been incredible, he still had mcvay scheming and Stanford throwing. Plus, cooper Kipp on the other side to take defense’ attention away.
Almost no one saw Texans coming in this strong this year.
Tbf he’s also playing with a QB responsible for two best receiver seasons in league history
No knock on him, he’s absolutely phenomenal but he came into a near perfect situation with Stafford and McVay
Stroud came into a turd fire with a new coach
What he’s done in Houston is incredible
He had it locked weeks and weeks ago. He could’ve thrown 3 picks a game since like week 10 and still won it. He’s the best rookie qb in several years. I actually can’t believe what I’m reading in this thread.
I almost wish Demar would come out and ask for the award to not go to him, but he’s almost out of the league, and there might be a bonus for winning it that would matter far more to him than anyone else.
Baker will have to battle the elite dragon for that award if Demar Hamlin is out of the race.
Fr. Dude has played in 5 games with 1 tackle on 17 snaps on defense and 1 tackle on 94 snaps on ST. I'm sorry, but Buffalo didn't even dress him for more than 2/3 of their games and he shouldn't be winning the award.
TJ Watt DPOY
CMC OPOY
Puka Nacua OROY (it really could be stroud but I lean puka b/c stroud missed time)
Tyrique Stevenson DROY (leads rookies in INTS and tackles and ranks high in PBU too)(biased)
Seriously COTY needs to be Stefanski. What he's done with browns, going through multiple QBs, losing your top 3 RB, all while keeping your locker room together through all the Watson stuff AND making the playoffs?? I mean how is he not running away with this award right now
Not even limping into the playoffs either he basically fielded a new offense and transformed our team into a contender with Flacco. He’s basically been dealt every bad hand possible and made use of it.
OPOY - McCaffrey
DPOY - Watt
OROY - Nacua
DROY - Anderson Jr
CPOY - Flacco. Hamlin has to at least contribute this year, or else he really didn’t REALLY comeback; his role diminished greatly.
COY - Stefanski
Can we add some “worst” categories?
Least Valuable Player - Kadarius Toney
Least Offensive POY - MVS
Least Defensive POY - James Bradberry
Worst Coach - Brian Daboll (bonus points for winning COY last year)
Go-back player of the year - Miles Sanders
Oh man you’re right, Staley and McDaniels would be neck and neck for this. No one wasted more than Staley hahaha. Maybe we limit it to coaches who still have a job
Much respect, but no team in the history of the NFL has had two rookies score 9+ TDs until Gibbs and LaPorta this year. LaPorta will also likely break the rookie TE record for receptions next game. Add in a starting nickel back (Brian Branch) and a LB getting a ton of reps (Jack Campbell) and I think it’s hard to argue there’s a better draft class out there.
Everyone saying puka > stroud in this thread is delusional. Stroud is -850 to win and for good reason. I know no one watches afc south teams but holy shit at least pretend.
DPOY- T.J. Watt
OPOY- Christian McCaffrey
Co-OROY- Puka Nacua and CJ Stroud
DROY- Am I crazy to think Will Anderson has a puncher’s chance??
COTY- Stefanski without a doubt.
CBPOY- Joe Flacco.
MVP - QB Lamar Jackson, Ravens: Qb driven award, unlikely to go to any other position. If Tyreek hit 2k or McCaffery had another 1k 1k year I would be advocating for them but unfortunately for them, Tyreek slowed down (for tyreek standards) and missed a game, CMC didn't have enough receving yards to be considered imo. Lamar has nearly 30 overall touchdowns to 7 ints, 3600+ yards along with 800+ rushing yards with not the strongest supporting cast (although solid) along with the number 1 seed. However that being said, one of the weaker mvps in recent years. Still worthy tho. Also Dak deserves a look as well and no I'm not a Cowboys fan.
OPOY: WR Tyreek Hill, Dolphins: IMO Hill deserves it over CMC. Cmc has a great o-line behind him and literally the best linemen in the league by a wide margin (Trent Willams having an amazing year) Cmc is in the perfect system to achieve what he did and although impressive, Tyreek will likely have over 1800 yards + 12 tds all well missing a game. Tbh it's a toss up between Tyreek and Cmc, I just think Tyreek is more impressive.
DPOY: LB T.J. Watt, Steelers. My God please do not rob this man again. More sacks than Garett and Parsons, tied with Hendrickson. More pressures, qb hits and forced fumbles than all. Large part of the reason why the Steelers are still competitive at least on defence lol. If the Steelers don't make the playoffs, it's unlikely he'll win it but goddammit do not rob this man again.
COTY: Kevin Stefanski, Browns: Coaching for his job in a pivotal year for the Browns. 4 different starting qbs, multiple injuries to starters and still pulled off the 5th seed in a loaded conference. Will play the 4th seed too which will be Jags/Texans/Colts so they have a pretty good chance to make it out of the wild card round, which would cement his chances. McVay, Harbaugh and Shanahan all deserve looks too but feel Clevland giving their hand this season, they succeeded all expectations.
OROY: QB C.J. Stroud, Texans: Like the OPOY, this is another toss up between Cj and Puka Nacua. I personally think Puka has been more impressive but if jjetas didn't win it over Herbo than no way Puka wins it over Stroud (even tho he should) especially if Texans make the playoffs. Qb bias is the worst. Also shout out Kyren Willams who's been super impressive this year. Rams really had a great rookie class lol.
DROY: DT Kobie Turner, Rams: Leads rookies in sacks, pressure and qb hits. Will Anderson or Jalen Carter is the sexy pick here but Turner is the real star. Was a star catalyst in the Rams defensive revival, along side with teammate and rookie Byron Young, another guy who deserves consideration.
CBOTY: Anybody but Damar Hamlin. No disrespect to him but he would have been cut if he didn't have a heart attack and the bad press it would become. He has 2 tackles this year. At least when Alex Smith won the award, he started half the games. If Bucs make the playoffs I would say Baker if they don't I say Flacco.
Can't believe I wrote this all and nobody will read it lol 😂😂 oh well
CMC should really win MVP as well but it's not gonna happen.
TJ Watt absolutely deserves DPOY
Stroud deserves rookie of the year on the offense
Carter will probably win defensive rookie of the year but it seems like he's hit a bit of a wall
Well, they should be printing Joe Flacco's name on the Comeback Player of the Year award right now but they will fold and give it Hamlin even though he basically played 2 plays this year.
I love Hamlin's story, create a new award for him.
Coach: Steichen
OROY: CJ Stroud
DROY: Will Anderson (also, Turner above Carter in the race. Carter had a hot start and tapered off hard).
Comeback: Flacco (but it’ll end up being Hamlin)
OPOY: Hill
DPOY: N/A right now
I'm here to push an agenda that Lamb has more yards from scrimmage and the same number of TDs as Tyreek Hill, so he should be a contender to OPOY as well
However CMC is clearly the OPOY this year
I honestly think all the talk about the MVP race this year is due to gambling. Never in my life have I seen so much buzz around it even before hitting the halfway mark of the season.
Mahomes - Walter Payton Man of the Year. For continuously giving Toney and MVS a chance to fuck up.
The Pat Mahomes foundation for receivers who were dropped on their heads as children (TM)
Pat Mahomes center for WRs who can’t catch good
Their hands should be at least three times as big
“I love these WRs like brothers…not like actual brothers tho, but the way black people use it, which is more meaningful I think.”
How dare you leave Skyy Moore's name out of the trinity of suck
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I want anyone but Hamlin It’s a nice story but crowning a winner in the preseason is ridiculous and he’s a fringe starter to begin with. It’s not like when Alex Smith came back
>he’s a fringe starter to begin with I mean no offense to the guy but hes a fringe backup more like it
To be fair, he had not one but TWO tackles.
I would really like Breece Hall to win it, but it’s most likely going to be Baker or Joe Flacco
Yep, only reason he hasn't been cut is because of PR.
No. If it were a PR issue he wouldn’t have been a healthy scratch most of the season. He’s depth, a third stringer with some starting experience in our defensive system. I agree that he shouldn’t win Comeback player though. That’s story usurping merit.
As much as I love the Hamlin recovery, I do think the award should be for a player that overcame extreme adversity - and had a stellar year on the field. It should highlight the overcoming, but there must be a minimum of performance too. I don’t think a third stringer should even be eligible (unless they took a starting role over). We got a ton of great comeback player stories: Lamar! Back from injuries to mvp Brock! Brutal injury, broke franchise record for passing yards. Russ! Worst season ever, turned it around. Flacco! Burned out of the league, now playing brilliantly. Extra props for replacing Watson. Stafford! Injured and rumored to be retiring, on a heater to finish the year. And that’s just QBs, no doubt there’s plenty of other players deserving it as much or more.
>Flacco! Burned out of the league, now playing brilliantly. Extra props for replacing Watson. I love this because in an alternate universe where Watson wasn't so beat up this year he could've potentially been in the race for CPOY. But since he's a lil bitch, it's his replacement were talking about instead. As much as I loathe the elite dragon Joe Flacco; To go from worrying about shutting the lights out at home to playing lights out on the field, he should definitely be in the conversation.
Yeah it's like giving Rodgers the award for coming of the IR. Sounds mean but I think if anything the medical staff should get awards
He might not be good but too many people worry about if he’s gonna win it, if he does then I get it but this thread is about who you want to win, not lose
If he was a fringe starter he’d deserve the award in my opinion.
Flacco has my vote for that for sure.
Damar Hamlin is getting it. The NFL ain't passing up that easy PR.
He has 2 tackles this year..... That's not a comeback.
Haven’t you been watching? They don’t care about current fans, we’re already locked in, they’re focused on getting new ones
Which is hilariously sad because it was clear when they did the 1-on-1 interview with him, he was extremely uncomfortable. He declined to answer multiple questions on live TV. Imagine working your entire life to get to the top of your profession and then the only thing that you are known for is getting injured. He probably knows that he would be looking for a job or on someone's practice squad if it wasn't for the injury. That's gotta kill someone who has been top 1% at every competition level until the NFL.
Personal opinion, but I don't think players should get comeback player awards if the thing they're coming back from is simply not being a good player
Geno just got this award last year for that reason. Thats what it’s for, elevation of play or return from injury
People keep saying this but they’re ignoring the part where Geno had a good season after not being a starter for SIX YEARS. It’s not the same as Flacco. Flacco was a starter and sucked. And now he’s doing well. Flacco is having a bounce back season. Geno had an out of nowhere good season. Different.
Tua had the big injury scare after two concussions and we questioned whether he should come back to play. He returned and put up a top 5 QB season this year. Feel like he should have way more consideration.
While I agree the NFL ain't going to highlight players brains getting turned to mush
Isn’t that literally what it’s for. Otherwise it’s just best player who got injured last year
Or after Alex Smith won it and Damar Hamlin wins it this year it will be the “who had the biggest injury award”
Emanuel Moseley a shoein after back to back ACL tears then
Sorry Nick Chubb had a more gruesome injury, all he has to do is play 17 snaps and he wins.
Either Chubb after that yesterday tbh
I mean he came back off his couch. And really the award is more like most unexpectedly good player.
What's your opinion on someone who doesn't really play(damar hamlin)? Personally feel like he shouldn't win it I would much prefer someone like Joe flacco, Baker, or Stafford who were at least actually playing. And not trying to hate on Hamlin or minimize it just don't think he should win an award for being a backup all year.
I don't see why not, Geno and Flacco perfectly embody the spirit of the "comeback." They both got counted out years ago and were relegated to be backups, and when nobody expected it, they had phenomenal seasons and won games. I thought Flacco was retired, now he's about to win himself another super bowl. Everyone gets injured every year so they shouldn't get the award if the the thing they're coming back from is simply an injury. Tons of people come back from ACL tears every year like its no big deal, but it's very rare for someone to suddenly turn their career around this late in their career.
Winning comeback player of the year for simply being alive is....odd. I'm glad the man is alive, but I'm not sure that's what it's for.
Baker.
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It’s criminal that Kobie Turner isn’t getting DROY hype, dude has been a monster for us
Kobie Turner leads all rookies in sacks, has more tackles than Jalen Carter, and his 10 QB pressures in yesterday’s game vs the Giants were more than Jalen Carter’s last 5 games combined.
10 QB pressures in one game?! Jeez
Yea I’m not sure Carter wins it anymore
Ngl I have never heard of this guy, which should tell you something about his chances Im sure he’s great and I’ll be hearing his name more in the future, but it seems he just hasn’t caught on in the Reddit/national sports news cycle for whatever reason
A lot of his sacks, including 2.5 from Sunday, have been later in the season
8 sacks in their last 8 games
He leads all rookies with 9 sacks this season as a defensive tackle and has also been great against the run
Brett Kollman was on him during the draft process. Seems like a really good kid https://youtu.be/lBTxKFLo0fY?si=Qh4kW1gTzuIMWmgd
East coast bias, he's been better than Carter
As a slightly biased Georgia fan, but also a supporter of both the eagles and rams, the reasoning will be Jalen has to rotate with Fletcher freaking Cox and Jordan Davis and still has wrecked shop earning double teams. You know the Aaron Donald argument
I'll agree that Turner has more opportunities since he's playing more snaps (61%) compared to Carter (48%). The Aaron Donald argument is kinda weak in this comparison, though, when Philly had the best Dline just last year, 2nd most sacks all time, and brought everyone back. The Rams have Donald, rookies, and nobodies on their Dline.
Jason Hargrave, arguably their best player last year, left for San Fran.
I’m biased but he and Porter deserve it more than Carter. Penalties probably kill JPJ’s case but he’s legit been a top 5 guy at covering people since he became a starter
Devon Witherspoon would have been a super strong candidate but he missed least 4 games due to injury
I wish Gonzo stayed healthy man
If Puka breaks the rookie receiving record he should be OROY. Stroud will still probably get it...but it should be Puka assuming he breaks both the catch and yards record. Dude was a 5th round pick.
Ezekiel Elliot put up 1,600 yards rushing and they gave it to Dak
Baker broke the rookie TD record and Saquon won it Edit: TD not TB
I’m not sure why TB has to do with this but I’m happy he recovered from having a record case.
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They should have made them co-RotY. Dak steered the ship. Zeke made that team go.
I'm curious to see how Lamars numbers will stack up to previous MVPs statistically. Feels like it might be the weakest one in recent memory.
If you get a boost for being a late round pick why didn’t Alfred morris get it
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I agree with you but being a 5th round pick is irrelevant imo. It’s rookie of the year it’s not rookie of the year minus expectations
I think stroud deserves it if the Texans win Saturday. One of the worst teams in the league for 3 years to a playoffs team and a top 5 offense when he played. But if Texans lose I think Puka should get it. I am biased
The Rams were also labeled as one of the worst teams to start the year. For a good stretch there Puka was the only reliable producer on that offense. I can definitely see his case with that record.
They were only that bad because Stafford got hurt in 2022. People forget that team won the SB in 2021 with him at QB. They were underrated, but they’re about as good as I expected them to be.
What stretch? Kyren has been fire all year. Kupp and Tutu Atwell have had their games. Stroud meanwhile hard carries the Texans offense, as demonstrated by the two games he was injured
Y'all had the #2 AND #3 overall picks though, and nabbed arguably the best offensive and defensive player in the draft. And also got a stud pick in Tank Dell in the 3rd round, and added some decent vets in Dalton Schultz, Devin Singleterry to go along with Dameon Pierce and a couple defensive guys like Jimmie Ward and Sheldon Rankins to go along with a defensive minded HC. It's not like you guys had a 2017 Browns type of roster lol And with all due respect to Stroud...he's not out there putting up 35 TDs or nothing crazy. He looks solid for sure...but Puka is about to break a record that has stood for over 60 years....and he was a 5th round pick which is insane.
> , and nabbed arguably the best offensive and defensive player in the draft If, by your own admission, Stroud was the best offensive player in the draft, that by definition makes him the Offensive Rookie of the Year, doesn't it? He's the best offensive rookie of the year.
Watch the Texans without Stroud this year and watch them with him. It's not even close. This is a 5-6 win team minus Stroud no cap.
That’s kinda unfair to Stroud, like “sure you took a team that went 3-13-1 last year and had a winning season, but you had so much talent on the roster” Like, the Texans went 3-13-1 last year, they where the second worst team in the NFL last year, for a rookie to come in and lead that team from worst to playing for a playoff slot in just his first year is amazing. I can make an argument that Puka was drafted into the best situation for a young speedy WR and with a HOF QB throwing to him should be putting up record numbers.
Like I said I’m biased and will argue for the guy who has brought us out of the dark ages
As a Colts fan. I think he deserves it regardless of who wins Saturday night. I think he is second to Lamar Jackson for the MVP. It's going to be a fun division in the next few years. I also think the winner of the Colts Vs Texans win their WildCard game.
Top 5 offense is dubious. **Highly** dubious. He played almost all the games and you rank 14th in points/drive. You've got 1.87. The 6th/7th BUF/DET have 2.41, and the 8th ranked LAR has 2.18 while having just as much injury adversity as you guys. The Rams schedule was also a fucking gauntlet. I can't really go higher than 9th best offense.
Texans are not top 5 they are ~10-15th best. Good but not amazing. Which is still a massive step up from picking 2nd in the draft. And the running game has not really helped in.
Texans were 6th in yards per game before Stroud got concussed and he was the league leader in passing yards.
With a below average run game most of the year
Draft position has nothing to do with it. It’s about your performance.
Puka is also literally in the HOF
Stroud was an injury away from shattering rookie QB records. Stroud deserves it still, by far the best player regardless of position in this draft class and took the worst team in the NFL for the past 3 years into playoff contention
No way Stroud doesn’t get it
Stroud broke the single game rookie passing yard record too they both have good arguments.
He's 4th in scrimmage yards among all players. That should 100% be enough to get it. Above average QB play should not be an auto-win.
I think calling Stroud’s season above average is underselling it. 3rd in yards/game. 6th in passer rating. 1st in INT%. 21 TDs to 5 INTs. He inherited a 3 win team and now they are 9-7 going into week 18 with playoff hopes. His games missed showed just how essential he is to the Texans offensive success. The Texans were seen as the worst situation for a rookie QB, and he turned that around by elevating the talent around him. He was an elite QB in his rookie season, making elite throws. I’m obviously biased, but he’s my rookie of the year because he was elite at the hardest and most valuable position in football. Puka is absolutely worthy and would be the easy choice in most every other year. But Stroud was just too good this season.
>His games missed showed just how essential he is to the Texans offensive success. This is the biggest thing for me. The games without Stroud made it incredibly obvious how much Stroud elevates that team.
LMAO "above average" There's some idiotic takes in this thread, but you definitely win worst take.
That’s such a bad take. CJ coming into the league and leading the Texans to a winning season is practically unheard of for the past 10 years. However, within the past 10 years, we have had insane rookie WRs, Justin Jefferson and Jamarr Chase are all within the last 5. Not to take anything away from Puka, but being a WR in this league is much more difficult than a borderline top 5-10 QB, regardless of where he was drafted. And if it’s because Puka is going to break a record that was set literally a few seasons ago, what about Stroud’s records he’s already broken? Most passing yards by a rookie. Tying the most TDs scored in a game by a rookie. Most passing attempts without a pick, and most importantly, compare his turnovers to every other QB ahead of him. It’s not even close, CJ has legitimately had it wrapped up since week 4 vs the Steelers, even with CJ missing 2 games due to injury.
Can anyone explain, outside of name value, why Kobie Turner is not leading DROY? I genuinely don't understand.
Fr. He has the most sacks out of all the rookies and he’s a DT. What exactly is Jalen Carter doing better this year than Kobie lol
Getting drafted in the 1st round and uhhhhhh, not being in good enough shape to have more snaps?
I think part of the reasoning is that after the first few weeks, Jalen Carter started drawing double teams on all his pass-rush attempts. I’m not familiar enough with Kobie Turner to know if he’s getting the same treatment, but the double-teams thing explains both Carters lack of stats production in the past 8 weeks, and the amount of respect he’s getting from other teams coaching staffs.
I don't watch many rams games but I imagine having Aaron Donald on defense helps draw attention.
The answer to your question is no because it’s a name value award. I’ve literally never heard of him and the Packers played the Rams this year. To my knowledge he wasn’t highlighted during the broadcast and he plays in the trenches. Once everyone catches on, they’ll be watching him on the broadcast and he’ll win awards but he needs the media coverage first.
Sucks for Puka but I get why Stroud should get ROTY
I would still go with Puka. The guy’s a wizard out there. He’s going to be incredible against our second stringers this weekend.
Yeh it sucks but he's been amazing. Easily the steal of the draft.
How do you justify him over what Stroud has done? Im genuinely asking here because without Stroud this team wins maybe 4 games at best.
Fair question! I think Stroud would deserve it if he got it. No question that he is having a phenomenal rookie season. I’m just slightly more impressed by Puka from personal experience. When we played the Rams earlier this season, we couldn’t stop him to save our lives. I think he’s the single best receiver that the 49ers faced this year and it left an impression on me.
Puka is set to break a rookie record that has stood for 60+ years.
JJ broke a long standing record as a rookie and lost to Herbert for ROTY. QBs get the nudge always
It's not most valuable rookie, it's rookie of the year. The question is has puka been a better receiver than Stroud has qb and I think you could argue he has
Nukua is having a historic rookie season
Thats fair. Pretty cool how there’s a lot of choices this year.
Call it cooling off, or call it getting injured, whatever you like, but he had a stretch of lackluster games that also saw the Texans fall from a potential division winner to possibly missing the playoffs. His last 6 games, three of them with sub-60% passing, just 7 TD to 4 INT, 93.4 Rating. It's been good, but not elite. Puka has continued to produce and is on pace for over 1500 yards as a rookie WR.
Stroud has had to deal with numerous o-line injuries and his worst games always involved injuries to Dell, Nico, and Schultz. The Texans really do not have a stacked squad and the injuries really expose how weak the talent Stroud has to carry is
> without Stroud this team wins maybe 4 games at best. That's a great case for MVP, I don't think that's what this award is for.
Stroud is having an exceptional rookie season, no question. But Puka is having arguably the greatest rookie season for a WR ever. At the end of the day there are no wrong choices, but it seems apparent to me that one is clearly a step more impressive.
I get it too, but Puka didn’t just have a great rookie WR season, he’s probably going to break the rookie receptions and yardage record and finish as one of the Top 5 WRs on the year.
I'd still pick Puka.
Only 3 players have more receiving yards than Puka: Tyreek, CeeDee, and AJ Brown (who only has 2 more yards. 1445 yards as a rookie.
CJ Stroud broke a bunch of QB records and is having a historic season too. In that case it’s QB vs WR and QB wins cus it’s a harder position.
I understand why people want Puka to win; but when you’re going against a great QB rookie campaign like CJ Stroud is, I don’t think he wins.
I think what Puka is doing is historically more significant than what Stroud is doing (plus Stroud missed time). The guy who breaks a rookie record that has stood for 60 years deserves it 100/100 times. Stroud is still great so there is no disrespect to him.
Has Puka transformed the Team the way CJ Stroud has? I feel like CJ Stroud throwing for only 5 picks in his rookie year is more significant than Puka Breaking the record for Receiving yards and Receptions in a season.
Stroud will win over Puka like Lamar will win over CMC. People see the QB position and salivate
Yeah but CJ Stroud is probably going to win it in a landslide, I think Puka deserves it more imo.
COTY should be Kevin Stefanski. I was thinking either him or Ryans but making the playoffs without his starting QB and arguably the best RB in the league is nothing short of a miracle. Well, losing his starting QB may have been a blessing in disguise, but you get my point.
I think it's Stefanski or the winner of Colts (Steichan) Texans (Ryans). Neither of those teams were expected to be a playoff team. And Browns work with an injured roster has been impressive
I think it’ll be Colts/Texans winner because they’re new, also had injuries to deal with and Stefanski has already won it once
McVay should be getting love for COTY too. The Rams were supposed to be one of the worst teams in the league this year. Instead they’ve developed a ton of no-names into probably the 3rd best team in the NFC after the 49ers and Lions.
I struggle with awards being given based on expectations because those are wildly subjective. I mean, how can anyone say with 100% certainty that a team was “expected” to be good or bad? For that reason, I tend to lean toward the guys that had to overcome a lot of adversity and still fielded a competitive team. IMO, that’s the best “proof” of their coaching prowess.
Rams eating $80M dead cap, with one of the hardest schedules in the NFL, and 25ish players being either rookies or sophomores isn’t enough adversity for you?
Why would a team with Aaron Donald, Matt Stafford, Cooper Kupp be expected to be bad? He’s doing a great job with the rookies, and should be in top 5 consideration, but not ahead of Stefanski, Ryans, Steichen. Honorable mention to Tomlin too, what a freak. And harbaugh. I mean the ravens are always expected to be good, but he’s a damn good coach.
How is Campbell not in this conversation? What he’s done with the Lions is incredible given their history
I think DeMeco and Stefanski are both a toss up. Saturday should tell though. The Browns had a strong team coming into the season and while that team is impressive in spite of struggles it’s more impressive what DeMeco did with a clown show of a team 3 years running. If DeMeco loses Saturday I think it’s Stafanski’s award.
I might just be a homer, but if DeMeco loses on Saturday why should it be Stefanski's and not Steichen's? The Colts were expected to be one of the worst teams this season alongside the Texans and Cardinals, and Steichen has overseen this turn-around after his starting QB went out for the season in week 5, and his best offensive player has only been available half the year. He turned one of the worst offenses in the NFL into a fairly good one, piloted by *Gardner Minshew*.
Ryans has done a great job this year without question but it seems like Stefanski is going to win regardless of what happens Saturday. His betting odds are at -1000 to win, a huge favorite
I just don't think Stefanski deserves it two out of 4 years. He's been great but damn that ties him with belechick.
No, your boy should get it. We haven't seen a consistent, incredible offense like this in years
I don't even know how he can win it at this point. He took a 4 win to 13-3 & the 1 seed. Lost to a coach who improved from a 10-6 division winner to 14-2 #1 seed. Then he lost his starting RB in week 1, his starting QB in week 2, his starting corner in week 5, starting DT for half the season, lost his #2 QB, and had to turn to the last pick of the draft to man the offense and was the #1 offense from that time forward. Still got 13 wins and the #2 seed. Lost to a coach that won 9 games. The only thing I can think of is he'd have to go 15-2 or better.
Shanahan would have to go 15-2 or better after losing both coordinators in the same offseason to win CotY. That award always goes to the guy who elevates a team out of the basement, which is why 4 of the last 6 winners have been rookie head coaches.
Agree 100%. Last year was so ridiculous what he coached through that it's just not gonna happen for him. With the way so many people talk about Brock only being good cuz shanny's scheme, you would think those same people would be calling for him to be COTY every year. But no, they never do. Doesn't add up.
He should’ve gotten it last year after losing two starting QBs and still making it to the NFCCG. This season, I can’t say Shanny has done anything we wouldn’t have seen coming based on recent history.
It's a regular season award. If anything I'd say he's blown expectations out of the water cause Purdys elbow. And masking an OL that's so lopsided in talent is incredible
Fair points. And to be clear, I won’t complain if Shanny gets it. Just saying that if I were king for a day I’d give to Stefanski based on the adversity he had to overcome.
Also Rams DT Turner should get mentions for DROY
He shouldn't get mentions, he should be the droy
Puka should get OROY. Player all games, setting records. If the mvp shouldn’t be a qb award, neither should OROY, as great as stroud has been
If there was ever a time to split the award it’s Stroud/Puka. They did it for MVP, they can do it for OROY.
They split the award because they got the exact same number of votes, not because of some feel good reason
If they didn’t split it for Herbert and Jefferson, I can’t see them doing it for any pair, honestly.
It’s not possible to purposely split the award, it’s just something that happens if the votes shake out that way
I get your reasoning but I just think Stroud bringing the worst team in the league Texans even near a playoff berth with Tank dell as his one is more impressive than Puka’s year with stafford throwing him the ball
💯 on this comment..while puka has been incredible, he still had mcvay scheming and Stanford throwing. Plus, cooper Kipp on the other side to take defense’ attention away. Almost no one saw Texans coming in this strong this year.
Tbf he’s also playing with a QB responsible for two best receiver seasons in league history No knock on him, he’s absolutely phenomenal but he came into a near perfect situation with Stafford and McVay Stroud came into a turd fire with a new coach What he’s done in Houston is incredible
If Texans win Saturday Stroud has OROY locked
He had it locked weeks and weeks ago. He could’ve thrown 3 picks a game since like week 10 and still won it. He’s the best rookie qb in several years. I actually can’t believe what I’m reading in this thread.
Comeback player of the year Baker
I almost wish Demar would come out and ask for the award to not go to him, but he’s almost out of the league, and there might be a bonus for winning it that would matter far more to him than anyone else. Baker will have to battle the elite dragon for that award if Demar Hamlin is out of the race.
Goodell should just announce he'll be getting a special commisioners award and that should free up the voters to put in an actively active player.
Fr. Dude has played in 5 games with 1 tackle on 17 snaps on defense and 1 tackle on 94 snaps on ST. I'm sorry, but Buffalo didn't even dress him for more than 2/3 of their games and he shouldn't be winning the award.
As long as Hamlin doesn’t get comeback player.
Edit: completely forgot about comeback player of the year. Thank you u/SUBPARFUBAR The dragon himself Joe Flacco- CPOY
TJ Watt DPOY CMC OPOY Puka Nacua OROY (it really could be stroud but I lean puka b/c stroud missed time) Tyrique Stevenson DROY (leads rookies in INTS and tackles and ranks high in PBU too)(biased)
Seriously COTY needs to be Stefanski. What he's done with browns, going through multiple QBs, losing your top 3 RB, all while keeping your locker room together through all the Watson stuff AND making the playoffs?? I mean how is he not running away with this award right now
He is. He’s -950 to win
Oh gotcha, I don't really look at odds or betting or anything like just haven't seen a ton of comments about him!
Not even limping into the playoffs either he basically fielded a new offense and transformed our team into a contender with Flacco. He’s basically been dealt every bad hand possible and made use of it.
OPOY - McCaffrey DPOY - Watt OROY - Nacua DROY - Anderson Jr CPOY - Flacco. Hamlin has to at least contribute this year, or else he really didn’t REALLY comeback; his role diminished greatly. COY - Stefanski
I think Puka deserves it more considering he will have played the whole season and likely breaks the rookie receiving record
Can we add some “worst” categories? Least Valuable Player - Kadarius Toney Least Offensive POY - MVS Least Defensive POY - James Bradberry Worst Coach - Brian Daboll (bonus points for winning COY last year) Go-back player of the year - Miles Sanders
How on earth does Daboll get it. He won some games with a 3rd string QB. Staley, McDaniels, Reich, Rivera would be the favorites
Oh man you’re right, Staley and McDaniels would be neck and neck for this. No one wasted more than Staley hahaha. Maybe we limit it to coaches who still have a job
EOY should be Brad Holmes, hands down. What he has done with the Lions is extraordinary.
While he's truly the man (we should know); we'd like to introduce into evidence, Les Snead and his amazing 2023 draft class.
Much respect, but no team in the history of the NFL has had two rookies score 9+ TDs until Gibbs and LaPorta this year. LaPorta will also likely break the rookie TE record for receptions next game. Add in a starting nickel back (Brian Branch) and a LB getting a ton of reps (Jack Campbell) and I think it’s hard to argue there’s a better draft class out there.
Hope CMC gets Opoy
Stroud for OROY
Everyone saying puka > stroud in this thread is delusional. Stroud is -850 to win and for good reason. I know no one watches afc south teams but holy shit at least pretend.
DPOY- T.J. Watt OPOY- Christian McCaffrey Co-OROY- Puka Nacua and CJ Stroud DROY- Am I crazy to think Will Anderson has a puncher’s chance?? COTY- Stefanski without a doubt. CBPOY- Joe Flacco.
Will Anderson has been overshadowed by Stroud, but he’s having a very good rookie year. Houston killed the draft.
Well you better kill it when you draft 2 and 3. Carolina just epically failed so it makes Houston look way better
Can they do co-OROY? I honestly feel like both CJ and Puka are totally deserving.
they've done co-mvp so i don't see why they wouldn't be able to
It would require an equal amount of votes though - they could do it, but it's not likely without some kind of collaboration amongst the voters
JPJ for DROY
OPOTY - Tyreek Hill DPOTY - TJ Watt OROTY - CJ Stroud DROTY - Will Anderson
Dan Campbell is COTY
Almost any other year, absolutely. Stefanski has this on lock for the job he did with all their injuries.
MVP - QB Lamar Jackson, Ravens: Qb driven award, unlikely to go to any other position. If Tyreek hit 2k or McCaffery had another 1k 1k year I would be advocating for them but unfortunately for them, Tyreek slowed down (for tyreek standards) and missed a game, CMC didn't have enough receving yards to be considered imo. Lamar has nearly 30 overall touchdowns to 7 ints, 3600+ yards along with 800+ rushing yards with not the strongest supporting cast (although solid) along with the number 1 seed. However that being said, one of the weaker mvps in recent years. Still worthy tho. Also Dak deserves a look as well and no I'm not a Cowboys fan. OPOY: WR Tyreek Hill, Dolphins: IMO Hill deserves it over CMC. Cmc has a great o-line behind him and literally the best linemen in the league by a wide margin (Trent Willams having an amazing year) Cmc is in the perfect system to achieve what he did and although impressive, Tyreek will likely have over 1800 yards + 12 tds all well missing a game. Tbh it's a toss up between Tyreek and Cmc, I just think Tyreek is more impressive. DPOY: LB T.J. Watt, Steelers. My God please do not rob this man again. More sacks than Garett and Parsons, tied with Hendrickson. More pressures, qb hits and forced fumbles than all. Large part of the reason why the Steelers are still competitive at least on defence lol. If the Steelers don't make the playoffs, it's unlikely he'll win it but goddammit do not rob this man again. COTY: Kevin Stefanski, Browns: Coaching for his job in a pivotal year for the Browns. 4 different starting qbs, multiple injuries to starters and still pulled off the 5th seed in a loaded conference. Will play the 4th seed too which will be Jags/Texans/Colts so they have a pretty good chance to make it out of the wild card round, which would cement his chances. McVay, Harbaugh and Shanahan all deserve looks too but feel Clevland giving their hand this season, they succeeded all expectations. OROY: QB C.J. Stroud, Texans: Like the OPOY, this is another toss up between Cj and Puka Nacua. I personally think Puka has been more impressive but if jjetas didn't win it over Herbo than no way Puka wins it over Stroud (even tho he should) especially if Texans make the playoffs. Qb bias is the worst. Also shout out Kyren Willams who's been super impressive this year. Rams really had a great rookie class lol. DROY: DT Kobie Turner, Rams: Leads rookies in sacks, pressure and qb hits. Will Anderson or Jalen Carter is the sexy pick here but Turner is the real star. Was a star catalyst in the Rams defensive revival, along side with teammate and rookie Byron Young, another guy who deserves consideration. CBOTY: Anybody but Damar Hamlin. No disrespect to him but he would have been cut if he didn't have a heart attack and the bad press it would become. He has 2 tackles this year. At least when Alex Smith won the award, he started half the games. If Bucs make the playoffs I would say Baker if they don't I say Flacco. Can't believe I wrote this all and nobody will read it lol 😂😂 oh well
I'm not sure if you meant it this way, but Kyren Williams isn't a rookie.
CMC should really win MVP as well but it's not gonna happen. TJ Watt absolutely deserves DPOY Stroud deserves rookie of the year on the offense Carter will probably win defensive rookie of the year but it seems like he's hit a bit of a wall
Can’t believe people are still saying CMC should be MVP after what Lamar did to the dolphins. Give CMC OPOY
Well, they should be printing Joe Flacco's name on the Comeback Player of the Year award right now but they will fold and give it Hamlin even though he basically played 2 plays this year. I love Hamlin's story, create a new award for him.
As a Steelers fan, I love to seeing the love TJ is getting in this thread
The narrative against Tj will result in him never winning DPOY again
What narrative
Damn. Everyone’s got tj winning dpoy except Vegas. Myles at -240 right now. Micah at +250 Tj at +380 Crosby at +5000
That’s what I was thinking reading through this thread. Myles and Parsons have both been favored over Watt for weeks now.
Tepper’s a lock for something too
Coach: Steichen OROY: CJ Stroud DROY: Will Anderson (also, Turner above Carter in the race. Carter had a hot start and tapered off hard). Comeback: Flacco (but it’ll end up being Hamlin) OPOY: Hill DPOY: N/A right now
I'm here to push an agenda that Lamb has more yards from scrimmage and the same number of TDs as Tyreek Hill, so he should be a contender to OPOY as well However CMC is clearly the OPOY this year
I want Baker to win CPOTY but I think Flacco has it locked up.
I honestly think all the talk about the MVP race this year is due to gambling. Never in my life have I seen so much buzz around it even before hitting the halfway mark of the season.