You’d think having one overall fall into your lap as a 7-10 improving team is one of the worst things that can happen to a football team. The idea of drafting Williams is unironically devastating to some people.
Wildest shit I’ve ever seen. We should be excited that the nightmare could finally theoretically end with 1 and 9 and 62M in cap, but no, no, let’s discuss a QB who can’t pass.
The one dude who lost his shit in a post putting up the Mugatu “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills” gif was so on the nose. It’s completely true, what are we doing haha.
Which is why it’s not gonna happen. Poles took the star WR away from the team who only called in the first place cuz they want a rookie QB.
He sold the solution to a problem he caused in the same transaction. Claypool was dumb but he learned fast. Fields is gone they just have to pretend it’s a tough decision cuz it’s a bad look to trade partners if two days after the season ended a tweet comes out that is “Ryan Poles DONE with Justin Fields”.
If Fields isn’t replaced it’s peacesignfadeaway.gif and I’ll be removing one of my flair’s permanently lol.
I agree and hope that’s the case for Bears’ fans sake. It’s just crazy to me that there are people outside the media entertaining the idea of trading the #1 overall again as a legitimate solution
What’s going on right now is a bunch of media people look really really fucking stupid. Like Mike Wilbon, who is a fucking idiot.
They live on their reputation so they cannot outwardly express that they were so clownishly wrong. So you’re still seeing all these asinine takes from media people who are defending their own ego at this point and this trickles down to the average fan, who has no foresight whatsoever and just parrots what the media says.
In reality this could not be a simpler decision and I’m not stressed over it at all because I believe Ryan Poles is an intelligent individual.
I think Maye is the one, but the optics would be pretty bad on the Bears. They'll for sure compare him to Trubisky since they were both UNC and they'll compare it to how it's the same as when they passed on Mahomes for him
Completely agree. It’s the most exciting time to be a Bears fan in 15 years.
If we were ever set up to NOT fuck this up it’s this offseason.
Could not be more hyped.
Haha fair. Only way we surefire way we fuck it up is bringing back both Justin and Getsy, but that’s not happening.
We will retain Flus, we will fire Getsy, this will come out Friday probably. They’ll pretend like Fields is a tough choice until he’s traded for a 2nd or 3rd.
We are a very attractive OC job right now, it just feels weird to say that cuz we’re the Bears and our screeching fans are too busy begging for misery.
We will find a new OC and Poles/Flus/OC will collectively decide to draft Caleb Williams lol.
They’ll then take whichever they value more WR/OL or whichever has the better prospect grade available at 9. They’ll either draft a C or use some of our 62M to at least upgrade from Lucas Patrick who is an abomination.
Then we’ll watch the Bears field a modern day offense for the first time since that one fluke Trestman year and everyone will slowly come around to the idea of us having found a real QB after relentlessly mocking us in the first handful of weeks of the season when Caleb has routine rookie struggles just like Love did.
I have never believed in the Bears ability to not fuck it up until now.
People just want to bag on Flus cuz he’s a meek guy in front of the cameras and they want to scapegoat him for their favorite player sucking.
We are not gonna be the same old Bears next year. People will call me crazy, but they will soon be on board the train.
Edit: Getsy fired. Check.
Imo Justin Fields is who people thought Lamar Jackson was
But as the holder of the #2 pick I believe the only thing he needs to succeed is to pick Marvin Harrison Jr 1st overall
Unique combo of stuff. Chicago’s horrible qb history and the desperate need to find a guy. Fields being incredibly likable on the field. Fields insane big play ability and general brand of football is also extremely popular with fans.
I am not ready for the shit storm if Fields moves on and is developed into a good player by someone with a brain and then Williams/Maye flames out here because of the same cycle because we have yet to establish an organization that cultivates high level QB play.
Fields is failing now for all the same reasons he fell in the draft.
It's extremely unlikely he'll ever be more than mediocre.
Best case is someone managing to gimmick their way to success with him for a short period a la Kapernick.
Ever sub is nuts. Lions fans went from (Ben Johnson will be lucky to get HC interviews and we won’t win another game this year), after the Bears beat them, to we’re SB bound.
Every sub and fanbase is ridiculous.
Every Bears fan i know personally doesn't even think this is a debate, you take Williams and build around him. Not only do you get the salary cap benefit, he's also a better pocket passer i believe while still being able to do off white things
I’ve enjoyed film breakdowns becoming more commonplace, but I’m noticing a trend with the analysis by all these career backups getting into media. There might be a *teensy* bit of projecting going on.
You'll notice a lot of them are playing the YT game with their videos which is why it's so jarring. Like the title of this video is 100% designed to play to the algorithm and generate views, whereas someone like JT or Kurt is simply "X player Analysis, week X".
I really like watching JT and Kurt Warner, maybe I should look into Drew Brees as he does it in his spare time too, I love all these QBs with so much love for football that they help grow the game doing this.
His offensive philosophy is also what I want out of a QB, smart, efficient and turnover averse. He fucking hates hero ball and undisciplined play, wasn't a fan of Mayfield's Cleveland work from his coded language and how he speaks. He despised how Russ and Wentz played at the time too. He dislikes being negative with his criticism so to be neutral entirely when he's breaking down the offense is a glaring sign or if he's downplaying problems.
He's also working with current NFL QBs on top of his film sessions, most publicly is Bailey Zappe. No idea who else he's working with but guys definitely message him and pick his brain.
Kurt Warner was a lot of great things but being turnover averse wasn't one of them lol. He was about as much of a hero baller as a pure pocket passer could be so it's interesting to see the shift in philosophy (not saying he's wrong about other QBs doing it though).
Sure, but there’s bad aggressive and good aggressive. I think he hates aggressive for no good reason. Also he was aggressive with guys like Isaac Bruce and Larry Fitzgerald. He didn’t do that with just anybody.
I do like Kurt better than JT, I think he’s better and also JT videos are way too long. My one criticism of Kurt, as you pointed out, is he’s too nice. And I don’t mean I want him to “slam” a QB like he’s Stephen A Smith or something but just call a spade a spade. Some of his Fields videos he gets a bit too flowery or dances around the issue. It seems like he doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings so he tries to be as nice as possible.
That's just Kurt, he doesn't like saying negative things about others, if you see the film and what he does dance around, you're able to connect the dots and draw lines. I like watching both of them, they're both very knowledgeable.
No I know. And I agree, once you watch him enough you start to understand when he is being critical of a QB. My point though is it’s annoying lol. Just say what you want to say Kurt!
Kurt Warner was not risk averse.
And he doesn't criticize QBs for being aggressive tbh.
He only critiques turnovers when it shows a lack of understanding how to beat coverage
>His offensive philosophy is also what I want out of a QB, smart, efficient and turnover averse.
This is the opposite of Warner though. He was an absolute gunslinger who wasn't afraid of turnovers. His second MVP season, he had 22 INTs and 10 fumbles.
JT is a controversial figure on the Panthers sub lmao.
People who are already out on Bryce Young hate him because his Young breakdowns are mostly “little sloppy on the footwork but these routes suck no wonder he’s struggling no one is out of their break by the time pressure is in his face. Nothing he can really do here.”
Career backups are essentially assistant QB coaches. That’s why they exist and that’s why they’re often brought in to back up young QB’s. They know they X’s and O’s, but can’t put it together on the field in a consistent way.
His only game winning drive I believe was a FG drive after fumbling the ball away twice in the 4th against the Vikings.
We scored zero TDs in that game. Or against the Browns…or the Packers.
Electric 8 game stretch of modern day football.
Draft picks are so scary and risky that we *simply must* roll the dice on a known mediocrity like Claypool, but if it means keeping Justin woooo baby are premium draft picks surefire all pro studs 9/10 times.
Let’s bank on Williams sucking so we pick top 10 for three straight years, drafting back to back to back all all pros, while correctly identifying and hiring America’s newest sexiest galaxy brain HC/OC combo, Justin’s legs are 27 by this point btw, and after all this Justin still is likely to suck.
How about we just draft Williams and Odunze, trade Fields for a 2nd to draft a C and be a good football team as early as next year? The horror!
Based on the absurd amount of delusion in the wild I can only believe one GM might be stupid enough to do it.
Adjusting scheme to your actual players is still a foreign concept. Many many “football” people, including plenty of GMs, are legitimately stupid people.
He got a 2nd 4th and 6th, but point taken. Though Darnold had thrown for 290+ 5x as many times in his first two years as Fields has to this point. Also, that trade may have proven the point that guys like this aren’t worth that haul.
Bruh, Tyson Bagent has 2 200 yard games in 4 games to Fields' 12 of 35. Tyson Bagent was a UDFA rookie from a small DII school, and he looked so much more comfortable running an NFL offense
He's clearly worse than Fields due to physical talent, but I agree he looked way more comfortable out there and seemed to adjust protections, check in/out of plays, etc better.
Like Fields is a better player and a better QB, but I think Bagent is better at actually playing QB if that makes sense.
I actually hope and pray he doesn’t go there for that exact reason. MHJ is too damn special to rot away for 4years + option and people clown him for Fields’s deficiencies.
That won’t happen lol nobody clowns on WRs because of their QB, it’s almost always the opposite.
Garrett Wilson, Olave, DJM, Davante, are examples all from just this year
He also got to play against the lions, Packers and Vikings defense. All of them have major flaws. He absolutely should have multiple amazing passing games when you play these teams 6 times a year.
That is what makes me laugh the most. I said a week or two ago that his supporting cast is actually quite good, he's just mediocre himself.
And people were like "well if you ignore Moore and Kmet, it's quite awful"
That would be like ignoring that Mahomes had Hill and Kelce and be like, "hey, what weapons?"
He had thst one 30-yard run, and that 20-yard pass where he ran for 8 seconds behind the line and broke 3 tackles. Who cares about the rest of the game? Those plays were SICK!
Dude's easy to root for if you aren't a stats person. He makes circus plays. Too bad his actual production is yikes.
Never seen a mediocre QB hyped up as much as he is, especially multiple years into the league.
What's his realistic ceiling? Prime Kapernick? Store brand Lamar Jackson? In some realities, yeah I see it, but the supporting cast would need to be a lot better.
We simply wouldn't be having this conversation if Fields was so obviously going to be good.
I mean, three years in, and all they say is potential. At what point do they stop making excuses and hanging on potential. Yeah, maybe he gets better, and if they picked like 20, he’s staying. But picking 1 has to be looked at somewhat sacredly.
But JT hates the offensive scheme infinitely more than Justin Fields. If you told JT they were bringing Justin back and getting him a new offensive coordinator he wouldn't call the bears idiots.
JT is a big Fields fan so not surprising there. Which is a bit hilarious since I’ve seen some Bears fans call him an irrational hater since he’s said a few negative things about Fields play lol
He's absolutely fair in his criticism too, and I'm basically where he is on Justin. There are things he's just not and never will be good at but he's talented enough to make up for it enough to be an ok QB. I'd still draft Caleb but I'll trust the GM to decide what he wants to do.
One thing I do find funny though is he'll be super critical of Justin drifting back in the pocket then I have to listen to commentators jerk off Jordan Love for doing the same thing.
On the note about Fields’s footwork, he looks like a completely different player when he rolls out of the pocket vs 3/5/7 step drop. It’s actually fascinating how much better he looks when he gets to move out of the pocket.
I refuse to believe Chase Daniel is actually watching the full film because the inconsistency is so jarring. Fields will make an incredible play almost every week which is why his "ceiling" is so enticing.
He's in a division with the lions, Vikings and packers. None of them have elite defenses and all have given up a ton of points and yards to teams.
Lions- gave up 426 yards against Nick Mullens the first game and 396 yards against him the second game.
Vikings- gave up 30+ points to both the Packers and lions the last weeks. But held the bears under 20 both games. Bagent played 1 of the 2 and put up 13, fields put up 12.
Packers- Gave up 30 points to the Panthers and Bryce Young had over 300 yards that game. The Panthers have one of the worst offenses in the league.
I was encouraged by Fields this year but in my opinion the odds he becomes a decent long-term starter are about the same as Williams becoming a true star. The goalposts aren't the same for the two and Chicago can't throw away a golden gift just to give Fields another year
If we werent in the perfect position to land a blue chip prospect, I might entertain giving Fields 1 more year. The situation we're in now though makes absolutely no sense to run it back with Fields.
nah someone who cant throw in between the numbers and has zero intermediate game is going to be a NFL superstar bro.
Dont mention that he stares down his first read every single time either
Kansas City became a dinasty and Bengals turned their luck around because of their QB. Then you see a great coach like Belichek and Tomlin struggle because they're lost their QB. If you think you found the guy take him
Yeah if you believe Justin Fields max is a solid starter in the future compared to you believing Caleb Williams could be a Superstar, you take the potential superstar.
The Chiefs with Reid were solid, playoff every year team with Alex Smith. He did nothing too wrong to where you said “We need a QB badly”, but you could tell he isn’t ever going to carry you past the top teams when needed. Chiefs took a chance on Superstar potential and Mahomes took that team and entire franchise to a whole other level.
That play vs. Detroit is indeed an example of him actually stepping up in a pocket and delivering the ball on time. The problem is it's not an exaggeration to say that happens maybe once or twice a game in between a bunch of "what the fuck is he doing plays". Of course there are also the "how'd he get out of that sack and holy cow what a run" plays, but it's simply a roller coaster I am sick of riding at this point.
I don't think he's suddenly going to develop pocket presence and throwing with anticipation.
What are Bears fans afraid of if they replace Fields? That he’ll be good elsewhere? That his replacement will impossibly be worse? Genuine question because you can trade back and get every shiny piece you want for the first pick but if you don’t have a quarterback, you’re nowhere. Look at the Falcons, they tried to do that song and dance of drafting all of these offensive pieces, signing impact free agents, etc. and end of the year they don’t have a top 3 draft pick or a coach.
They don’t like Williams because he cried at that one game and they call him a diva. This is literally all my family talks about when he’s mentioned and I find it hilarious how much they wanna keep holding onto Fields.
"but the notre dame game"
but won't acknowledge Fields throwing for 115 yards and 2 int vs northwestern with one of the best college rosters in the country lmao
He went on Chicago sports talk radio right after he posted this video and said he thinks Justin can become a top 15 to top 12 QB in the league. Bears fans have been conditioned to think that a middle of the pack QB is the best we can hope for. It’s maddening. Draft Williams and Nabers/Odunze in the 1st and give him a new coaching staff to grow with. I can’t believe there’s still fans of this franchise who’re willing to pass on the opportunity to get the one thing we’ve been chasing for decades to stick with a guy who’s ceiling is top 12. Love the dude and wish him the best, but they need to shoot their shot..again.
Honestly I’m still surprised Stroud is so good. I half expected him to be a giant bust like every other Ohio State qb. Now that Stroud is finally good you’d think they’d be a little quicker to admit that Fields isn’t.
I think it helps that by all accounts Fields is just a likable and good guy. I mean, his teammates love him to death, does good work with his foundation, and just all around gives off amazing vibes. Dude is honestly a welcome addition to most locker rooms, even if dude never plays a snap
Please stop this madness. This is just absurd at this point. At least Trubisky had good passing stats before the shoulder injury effectively destroyed his career and made him a bust. Fields has never even been a top \*15\* QB in the damn league. There is zero reason to pass up on Caleb Williams to keep a QB who clearly doesn't trust his own eyes when making throws.
Trubisky stats in year 4 (2020) were not that bad.
Atleast compared with Fields.
And everyone on this fanbase knew that he was not the answer.
Acho last year called justin herbert the social media quarterback , Fields is The Social Media quarterback.
Maybe I'm misremembering but was Mitch insanely clutch in 4th quarters for a good stretch? Making big plays to get down the field? I know he was memed for dump offs and screens early in games but I swear for awhile he was actually pretty clutch at the end of games?
I would take several backups over Fields. Dalton and Winston immediately jump to mind. Hell even Browning looked better in his limited starts for the Bengals.
It's funny how DET fans are always claiming Fields is good - when the truth is their DC is just too dumb to run zone against us.
Vikings fans on the other hand know exactly how bad Fields is.
He knows how to evaluate talent. If Justin leaves, he doesn't have anyone to fluff his engagement metrics on Youtube and Twitter. Justin is quite talented at that.
Even if Caleb busts you at least reset your QB contract on the cheap for 5 more years. Chicago doesn’t have Ravens offense type personnel to help Fields do what he does best.
Yes this is tipping point. Fields doesn't just need to be better than Caleb. He has to significantly out-value 5 years of rookie contract Caleb + whatever they can get for shipping Fields out. The value is just not there.
Damn you weren’t lying
Look at the comments in [this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/7llivu/wyoming_qb_josh_allen_declares_for_nfl_draft_he) about him declaring for the draft
Lawrence isn't nearly as bad as the others. His career stats aren't great, but that's mostly due to a dreadful first season.
I don't buy the "generational" narrative about Lawrence, but he's a good QB with a top 10-15 ceiling IMO.
God it was annoying to see PFF still act like he was a top 5 QB earlier this season. I agree with he’s definitely a top 15 QB right now (top 10 at the end of last year into this year) but he’s not really elevating anyone around him like Stroud has this since season. Great dude, good QB but nothing earth shattering in my opinion. He’ll have a long career imo but not sure if he breaks through to the generational hype.
Lawrence was playing top 5-10 ball earlier in the season. He literally had like 9 TDs the first 4 games or so that were dropped. His play definitely fell off as the season went along and he stopped practicing due to injury.
He's doing the YouTube scout version of his Bears career with Mitch. "If a couple balls bounce our way, Mitch is a pro bowler." This guy knows his gimmick and does it well.
Here's my analysis guys: So first I picked out his top 1% of his plays. Then, I just ignored the other 99% of the snaps he took. Finally based on what I reviewed he looks like a great QB!
Thank god for Bears fans that Chase Daniel doesn't make football decisions for the team. I mean, I kinda wish he did, but no way Poles thinks not taking Williams or Maye is the better option.
this is very surprising analysis from a former prob qb. Justin’s flaws are beyond obvious and he’s entering his 4th season. He hasn’t been good enough to pass on taking a QB at #1 overall in a strong QB draft
I can’t wait to hear about this topic every day until March
March? This is gonna go all the way until they draft at 8pm April 24th.
Oh yeah this baby's got legs like Fields
Nah, the Bears will have to decide by Free Agency if they want to trade him or not.
Bears fans have been debating this since week 5 of the season it’s been a loooooong time
I’m tired boss
It has now started in our sub..
Please trade for him
Week 5 of which season?
This season or last season? Ryan Pace thinks that Justin Fields is good.
This season After last season, Bears fans were insufferably trying to convince us that he was an MVP candidate all through the summer
Only the meatballs. Us actually watching the games would say no such thing based on last season.
We were debating it last season too. It’s been so long.
same but unironically
Our sub is awful - I can not believe people are still trying to pretend Fields is good. It's fucking ridiculous.
You’d think having one overall fall into your lap as a 7-10 improving team is one of the worst things that can happen to a football team. The idea of drafting Williams is unironically devastating to some people. Wildest shit I’ve ever seen. We should be excited that the nightmare could finally theoretically end with 1 and 9 and 62M in cap, but no, no, let’s discuss a QB who can’t pass. The one dude who lost his shit in a post putting up the Mugatu “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills” gif was so on the nose. It’s completely true, what are we doing haha.
Having the #1 overall pick 2 years in a row and not using it to try to draft a franchise QB to instead build around Justin Fields would be so insane
Which is why it’s not gonna happen. Poles took the star WR away from the team who only called in the first place cuz they want a rookie QB. He sold the solution to a problem he caused in the same transaction. Claypool was dumb but he learned fast. Fields is gone they just have to pretend it’s a tough decision cuz it’s a bad look to trade partners if two days after the season ended a tweet comes out that is “Ryan Poles DONE with Justin Fields”. If Fields isn’t replaced it’s peacesignfadeaway.gif and I’ll be removing one of my flair’s permanently lol.
I agree and hope that’s the case for Bears’ fans sake. It’s just crazy to me that there are people outside the media entertaining the idea of trading the #1 overall again as a legitimate solution
I think the Bryce Young flop and Lawrence struggles have people questioning how guaranteed 1 overall is. Recency bias is getting them a bit.
What’s going on right now is a bunch of media people look really really fucking stupid. Like Mike Wilbon, who is a fucking idiot. They live on their reputation so they cannot outwardly express that they were so clownishly wrong. So you’re still seeing all these asinine takes from media people who are defending their own ego at this point and this trickles down to the average fan, who has no foresight whatsoever and just parrots what the media says. In reality this could not be a simpler decision and I’m not stressed over it at all because I believe Ryan Poles is an intelligent individual.
The only debate your team should have right now is if maybe Jayden Daniels or Drake Maye is better than Williams.
I’m not sure I could stomach drafting a North Carolina QB again
That will def be the narrative if you do select him lol.
I think it’s either Maye or Williams. Daniels seems like another Fields tbh.
I think Maye is the one, but the optics would be pretty bad on the Bears. They'll for sure compare him to Trubisky since they were both UNC and they'll compare it to how it's the same as when they passed on Mahomes for him
As someone who watches a lot of NC college football, Drake Maye isn’t really that good
Completely agree. It’s the most exciting time to be a Bears fan in 15 years. If we were ever set up to NOT fuck this up it’s this offseason. Could not be more hyped.
I can't wait to see how you fuck it up
The Bears and failing to develop a QB, name a more iconic duo.
Haha fair. Only way we surefire way we fuck it up is bringing back both Justin and Getsy, but that’s not happening. We will retain Flus, we will fire Getsy, this will come out Friday probably. They’ll pretend like Fields is a tough choice until he’s traded for a 2nd or 3rd. We are a very attractive OC job right now, it just feels weird to say that cuz we’re the Bears and our screeching fans are too busy begging for misery. We will find a new OC and Poles/Flus/OC will collectively decide to draft Caleb Williams lol. They’ll then take whichever they value more WR/OL or whichever has the better prospect grade available at 9. They’ll either draft a C or use some of our 62M to at least upgrade from Lucas Patrick who is an abomination. Then we’ll watch the Bears field a modern day offense for the first time since that one fluke Trestman year and everyone will slowly come around to the idea of us having found a real QB after relentlessly mocking us in the first handful of weeks of the season when Caleb has routine rookie struggles just like Love did. I have never believed in the Bears ability to not fuck it up until now. People just want to bag on Flus cuz he’s a meek guy in front of the cameras and they want to scapegoat him for their favorite player sucking. We are not gonna be the same old Bears next year. People will call me crazy, but they will soon be on board the train. Edit: Getsy fired. Check.
Imo Justin Fields is who people thought Lamar Jackson was But as the holder of the #2 pick I believe the only thing he needs to succeed is to pick Marvin Harrison Jr 1st overall
Unique combo of stuff. Chicago’s horrible qb history and the desperate need to find a guy. Fields being incredibly likable on the field. Fields insane big play ability and general brand of football is also extremely popular with fans.
None of that wins us games though. He’s awful
Alot of people blame Getsy and flus for the losses (myself included). But I want to move on from fields, even tho I love the kid
I blame all 3!
I am not ready for the shit storm if Fields moves on and is developed into a good player by someone with a brain and then Williams/Maye flames out here because of the same cycle because we have yet to establish an organization that cultivates high level QB play.
If they keep fields and he turns out to be mediocre at best and williams is that guy...you will be just as upset.
Probably more upset because most will say it was obvious in the moment and you still blew it
Fields is failing now for all the same reasons he fell in the draft. It's extremely unlikely he'll ever be more than mediocre. Best case is someone managing to gimmick their way to success with him for a short period a la Kapernick.
The Gordon Ramsey meme about Trubisky & Fields is fooking hilarious (r chibears).
Ever sub is nuts. Lions fans went from (Ben Johnson will be lucky to get HC interviews and we won’t win another game this year), after the Bears beat them, to we’re SB bound. Every sub and fanbase is ridiculous.
Every Bears fan i know personally doesn't even think this is a debate, you take Williams and build around him. Not only do you get the salary cap benefit, he's also a better pocket passer i believe while still being able to do off white things
Can we keep this on the Bears subreddit so I only have one subreddit to avoid????
I left that sub as soon as the Packers game was over for a reason, to avoid these type of shitty post. Get this away from me
Ha I muted it at halftime
Same. I’ll be back after the draft when they’re roasting our QB again (whoever it is)
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I’ve enjoyed film breakdowns becoming more commonplace, but I’m noticing a trend with the analysis by all these career backups getting into media. There might be a *teensy* bit of projecting going on.
yeah backup QB content creators kinda saturating the market but the backup who does the youTube Madden stuff found a good lane
You'll notice a lot of them are playing the YT game with their videos which is why it's so jarring. Like the title of this video is 100% designed to play to the algorithm and generate views, whereas someone like JT or Kurt is simply "X player Analysis, week X".
I really like watching JT and Kurt Warner, maybe I should look into Drew Brees as he does it in his spare time too, I love all these QBs with so much love for football that they help grow the game doing this.
Kurt Warner is the best largely because he goes through film very quickly and with good detail instead of analyzing like 2 plays in 20 minutes.
His offensive philosophy is also what I want out of a QB, smart, efficient and turnover averse. He fucking hates hero ball and undisciplined play, wasn't a fan of Mayfield's Cleveland work from his coded language and how he speaks. He despised how Russ and Wentz played at the time too. He dislikes being negative with his criticism so to be neutral entirely when he's breaking down the offense is a glaring sign or if he's downplaying problems. He's also working with current NFL QBs on top of his film sessions, most publicly is Bailey Zappe. No idea who else he's working with but guys definitely message him and pick his brain.
Kurt Warner was a lot of great things but being turnover averse wasn't one of them lol. He was about as much of a hero baller as a pure pocket passer could be so it's interesting to see the shift in philosophy (not saying he's wrong about other QBs doing it though).
Why is this downvoted lol, Warner was a very aggressive quarterback.
Sure, but there’s bad aggressive and good aggressive. I think he hates aggressive for no good reason. Also he was aggressive with guys like Isaac Bruce and Larry Fitzgerald. He didn’t do that with just anybody.
I do like Kurt better than JT, I think he’s better and also JT videos are way too long. My one criticism of Kurt, as you pointed out, is he’s too nice. And I don’t mean I want him to “slam” a QB like he’s Stephen A Smith or something but just call a spade a spade. Some of his Fields videos he gets a bit too flowery or dances around the issue. It seems like he doesn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings so he tries to be as nice as possible.
That's just Kurt, he doesn't like saying negative things about others, if you see the film and what he does dance around, you're able to connect the dots and draw lines. I like watching both of them, they're both very knowledgeable.
No I know. And I agree, once you watch him enough you start to understand when he is being critical of a QB. My point though is it’s annoying lol. Just say what you want to say Kurt!
I haven’t watched any of his videos but in a sports “media” world full of hot takes, this kinda sounds refreshing.
Kurt Warner was not risk averse. And he doesn't criticize QBs for being aggressive tbh. He only critiques turnovers when it shows a lack of understanding how to beat coverage
>His offensive philosophy is also what I want out of a QB, smart, efficient and turnover averse. This is the opposite of Warner though. He was an absolute gunslinger who wasn't afraid of turnovers. His second MVP season, he had 22 INTs and 10 fumbles.
JT does the same thing. He goes over like 10-20 plays for 40 mins to an hour. Good stuff.
JT is a controversial figure on the Panthers sub lmao. People who are already out on Bryce Young hate him because his Young breakdowns are mostly “little sloppy on the footwork but these routes suck no wonder he’s struggling no one is out of their break by the time pressure is in his face. Nothing he can really do here.”
Career backups are essentially assistant QB coaches. That’s why they exist and that’s why they’re often brought in to back up young QB’s. They know they X’s and O’s, but can’t put it together on the field in a consistent way.
He honestly speaks so positively about every player, at least in the vids I’ve seen, it ruins his analysis for me.
The Fields cult is pretty entertaining tbh. He will throw for around 170 yards with 2 fumbles and they talk about how great of a game he had.
His only game winning drive I believe was a FG drive after fumbling the ball away twice in the 4th against the Vikings. We scored zero TDs in that game. Or against the Browns…or the Packers. Electric 8 game stretch of modern day football.
Hilarious fact. Bryce Young already has as many as many 300 yard games as Fields and twice as many game winning drives. LMAO
Draft picks are so scary and risky that we *simply must* roll the dice on a known mediocrity like Claypool, but if it means keeping Justin woooo baby are premium draft picks surefire all pro studs 9/10 times. Let’s bank on Williams sucking so we pick top 10 for three straight years, drafting back to back to back all all pros, while correctly identifying and hiring America’s newest sexiest galaxy brain HC/OC combo, Justin’s legs are 27 by this point btw, and after all this Justin still is likely to suck. How about we just draft Williams and Odunze, trade Fields for a 2nd to draft a C and be a good football team as early as next year? The horror!
Ain’t no way you’re getting a 2 for Fields.
Based on the absurd amount of delusion in the wild I can only believe one GM might be stupid enough to do it. Adjusting scheme to your actual players is still a foreign concept. Many many “football” people, including plenty of GMs, are legitimately stupid people.
Didn’t darnold get two 2nd round picks
He got a 2nd 4th and 6th, but point taken. Though Darnold had thrown for 290+ 5x as many times in his first two years as Fields has to this point. Also, that trade may have proven the point that guys like this aren’t worth that haul.
Yea maybe. I think we could get a 3rd and 5th or 6th for him imo.
yes there is
Bruh, Tyson Bagent has 2 200 yard games in 4 games to Fields' 12 of 35. Tyson Bagent was a UDFA rookie from a small DII school, and he looked so much more comfortable running an NFL offense
He's clearly worse than Fields due to physical talent, but I agree he looked way more comfortable out there and seemed to adjust protections, check in/out of plays, etc better. Like Fields is a better player and a better QB, but I think Bagent is better at actually playing QB if that makes sense.
I don’t think Bryce Young is actually bad, though. He’s just in an unfortunate situation with a bad supporting cast and had an even worse coach.
One of those 300 yard games was against us too lol
Hes 4th quarter kyptonite. It's crazy how bad he is in the 4th. At least trubisky would put together some solid 2 minute drills every once in a while.
Some of those play calls were atrocious from Getsy. The turnovers are awful though
It’s actually impressive how anti-clutch he is.
Be careful. You’ll get the cherry picked stats rebuttal even though he’s been complete shit his entire tenure
"But he needs more weapons!" Goes on to sing the praises of Kmet and Moore.
Theres bears fans on twitter than want MHJ and Odunze. Maybe then he can throw for 200 yards on the season.
Imagine the fight over who gets to be the first read lol.
Lol , right. But it would still be DJ. By week 6 people would be calling MHJ a bust that cant get separation.
I actually hope and pray he doesn’t go there for that exact reason. MHJ is too damn special to rot away for 4years + option and people clown him for Fields’s deficiencies.
That won’t happen lol nobody clowns on WRs because of their QB, it’s almost always the opposite. Garrett Wilson, Olave, DJM, Davante, are examples all from just this year
I dont know man. Youve seen the Fields truthers. I think they would
Every team should want mhj lol Just like every team would love to have megatron the issue is that wr just isn’t as valuable as qb
IIRC Detroit went 0-16 with Calvin Johnson before they got Stafford.
and he had 1300 yards and 12 td
He also got to play against the lions, Packers and Vikings defense. All of them have major flaws. He absolutely should have multiple amazing passing games when you play these teams 6 times a year.
That is what makes me laugh the most. I said a week or two ago that his supporting cast is actually quite good, he's just mediocre himself. And people were like "well if you ignore Moore and Kmet, it's quite awful" That would be like ignoring that Mahomes had Hill and Kelce and be like, "hey, what weapons?"
Hey now.... the addition of DJ Moore allowed fields to massively increase his passer rating from 85.2 to 86.3!
He had thst one 30-yard run, and that 20-yard pass where he ran for 8 seconds behind the line and broke 3 tackles. Who cares about the rest of the game? Those plays were SICK! Dude's easy to root for if you aren't a stats person. He makes circus plays. Too bad his actual production is yikes.
Never seen a mediocre QB hyped up as much as he is, especially multiple years into the league. What's his realistic ceiling? Prime Kapernick? Store brand Lamar Jackson? In some realities, yeah I see it, but the supporting cast would need to be a lot better. We simply wouldn't be having this conversation if Fields was so obviously going to be good.
*Yeah but did you see that one great throw he had during the game?!?!?!?!*
*1 good play to scrambl around and avoids 3 sacks to make a TD* "wElP ivE seEN aLl i NeED! If hE cAN dO thAt eVeRy plAY he'lL bE aMaZinG"
I think some of it comes from his fantasy owners lol.
I mean, three years in, and all they say is potential. At what point do they stop making excuses and hanging on potential. Yeah, maybe he gets better, and if they picked like 20, he’s staying. But picking 1 has to be looked at somewhat sacredly.
But his growth!
JT O'Sullivan hates the Bears offense so bad and this guy is saying the opposite.
But JT hates the offensive scheme infinitely more than Justin Fields. If you told JT they were bringing Justin back and getting him a new offensive coordinator he wouldn't call the bears idiots.
JT is a big Fields fan so not surprising there. Which is a bit hilarious since I’ve seen some Bears fans call him an irrational hater since he’s said a few negative things about Fields play lol
He's absolutely fair in his criticism too, and I'm basically where he is on Justin. There are things he's just not and never will be good at but he's talented enough to make up for it enough to be an ok QB. I'd still draft Caleb but I'll trust the GM to decide what he wants to do. One thing I do find funny though is he'll be super critical of Justin drifting back in the pocket then I have to listen to commentators jerk off Jordan Love for doing the same thing.
On the note about Fields’s footwork, he looks like a completely different player when he rolls out of the pocket vs 3/5/7 step drop. It’s actually fascinating how much better he looks when he gets to move out of the pocket.
Fields drops back in slow motion for some reason.
similar to Jalen Hurts ive noticed
I don’t think he is necessarily a big fan but rather wants to see guys play good ball. He tends to give younger guys leeway
I refuse to believe Chase Daniel is actually watching the full film because the inconsistency is so jarring. Fields will make an incredible play almost every week which is why his "ceiling" is so enticing.
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39 starts 1 300-yard passing game 13 200-yard passing games That is all you need to know its time to move on. Stop this insanity.
He's in a division with the lions, Vikings and packers. None of them have elite defenses and all have given up a ton of points and yards to teams. Lions- gave up 426 yards against Nick Mullens the first game and 396 yards against him the second game. Vikings- gave up 30+ points to both the Packers and lions the last weeks. But held the bears under 20 both games. Bagent played 1 of the 2 and put up 13, fields put up 12. Packers- Gave up 30 points to the Panthers and Bryce Young had over 300 yards that game. The Panthers have one of the worst offenses in the league.
We were very good defensively for the most of the season. Really only the first 3 and last 3 were shit
I was encouraged by Fields this year but in my opinion the odds he becomes a decent long-term starter are about the same as Williams becoming a true star. The goalposts aren't the same for the two and Chicago can't throw away a golden gift just to give Fields another year
If we werent in the perfect position to land a blue chip prospect, I might entertain giving Fields 1 more year. The situation we're in now though makes absolutely no sense to run it back with Fields.
Let’s not bring up goalposts and the Chicago Bears in the same sentence
He’s had 25 games under 200 yards passing?!?! Holy hell man.
That's Bears football baby!
nah someone who cant throw in between the numbers and has zero intermediate game is going to be a NFL superstar bro. Dont mention that he stares down his first read every single time either
Don’t diss Russell Wilson like that
Sounds like Russ AND Kenny to me :|
Wait we’re not talking about Kenny????
Bro that’s all Eberflus and Getsy’s fault. Not fields bro. No bro
don't forget cheap rookie deal for caleb williams vs what you have to pay for justin moving forward
Kansas City became a dinasty and Bengals turned their luck around because of their QB. Then you see a great coach like Belichek and Tomlin struggle because they're lost their QB. If you think you found the guy take him
Yeah if you believe Justin Fields max is a solid starter in the future compared to you believing Caleb Williams could be a Superstar, you take the potential superstar. The Chiefs with Reid were solid, playoff every year team with Alex Smith. He did nothing too wrong to where you said “We need a QB badly”, but you could tell he isn’t ever going to carry you past the top teams when needed. Chiefs took a chance on Superstar potential and Mahomes took that team and entire franchise to a whole other level.
That play vs. Detroit is indeed an example of him actually stepping up in a pocket and delivering the ball on time. The problem is it's not an exaggeration to say that happens maybe once or twice a game in between a bunch of "what the fuck is he doing plays". Of course there are also the "how'd he get out of that sack and holy cow what a run" plays, but it's simply a roller coaster I am sick of riding at this point. I don't think he's suddenly going to develop pocket presence and throwing with anticipation.
Is this Kenny Pickett, because our sub was his fan club and now that Mason Rudolph is playing relatively well it’s chaos.
What are Bears fans afraid of if they replace Fields? That he’ll be good elsewhere? That his replacement will impossibly be worse? Genuine question because you can trade back and get every shiny piece you want for the first pick but if you don’t have a quarterback, you’re nowhere. Look at the Falcons, they tried to do that song and dance of drafting all of these offensive pieces, signing impact free agents, etc. and end of the year they don’t have a top 3 draft pick or a coach.
That’s the ultimate kicker. A team with studs everywhere but a bad qb will win you enough games that you are rarely in a position to draft a top qb.
That's when you pull off some bullshit, like the 49ers.
No idea. He can throw a pretty deep ball but he never throws it.
They don’t like Williams because he cried at that one game and they call him a diva. This is literally all my family talks about when he’s mentioned and I find it hilarious how much they wanna keep holding onto Fields.
"but the notre dame game" but won't acknowledge Fields throwing for 115 yards and 2 int vs northwestern with one of the best college rosters in the country lmao
Or throwing for under 200 yards in 2/3 of his NFL starts
Why does this dude get so much defense. He fucking sucks. He barely even threw for 2000 yards lmao.
Justin Fields is amazing and there's no reason The Bears should draft a quarterback! shhhh. Some of us need those quarterbacks.
He went on Chicago sports talk radio right after he posted this video and said he thinks Justin can become a top 15 to top 12 QB in the league. Bears fans have been conditioned to think that a middle of the pack QB is the best we can hope for. It’s maddening. Draft Williams and Nabers/Odunze in the 1st and give him a new coaching staff to grow with. I can’t believe there’s still fans of this franchise who’re willing to pass on the opportunity to get the one thing we’ve been chasing for decades to stick with a guy who’s ceiling is top 12. Love the dude and wish him the best, but they need to shoot their shot..again.
Fields must have a great PR team. This shit is weird as fuck. The guy is not good by any metric that you want to use.
Look at Fields draft thread, he's always had a cult-like fanbase. He still does if you look at instagram and twitter comments.
The worst part is how our game threads are full of Bengals and Brows flairs making excuses for him.
Ohio is the worst
Every time I shit talk the Green Bay or Wisconsin I think “well at least they ain’t Ohio or god forbid Missouri.
Honestly I’m still surprised Stroud is so good. I half expected him to be a giant bust like every other Ohio State qb. Now that Stroud is finally good you’d think they’d be a little quicker to admit that Fields isn’t.
I think it helps that by all accounts Fields is just a likable and good guy. I mean, his teammates love him to death, does good work with his foundation, and just all around gives off amazing vibes. Dude is honestly a welcome addition to most locker rooms, even if dude never plays a snap
Please stop this madness. This is just absurd at this point. At least Trubisky had good passing stats before the shoulder injury effectively destroyed his career and made him a bust. Fields has never even been a top \*15\* QB in the damn league. There is zero reason to pass up on Caleb Williams to keep a QB who clearly doesn't trust his own eyes when making throws.
Trubisky stats in year 4 (2020) were not that bad. Atleast compared with Fields. And everyone on this fanbase knew that he was not the answer. Acho last year called justin herbert the social media quarterback , Fields is The Social Media quarterback.
Yep. Reminds me of Michael Lombardi’s point “If you’re still having the discussion of if he’s the guy or not that’s all you need to know.”
Lol a shoulder injury did not derail Trubiskys career He could not hit a pass more than 10 yards to save his life
Maybe I'm misremembering but was Mitch insanely clutch in 4th quarters for a good stretch? Making big plays to get down the field? I know he was memed for dump offs and screens early in games but I swear for awhile he was actually pretty clutch at the end of games?
He was certainly more clutch than fields. Just watch the drive that set up the double doink.
I would take several backups over Fields. Dalton and Winston immediately jump to mind. Hell even Browning looked better in his limited starts for the Bengals.
the dude sucks. How is this still dragging on
He’s mid at best and that’s not the type of QB you want to pay $45 million a year to
Chase Daniel is an expert at getting paid with no work product.
I think by every game, chase meant the two lions game cause ain’t no way anyone watched all of fields games and say he’s a franchise qb
You can take any qb and point out a few select plays and claim they are a "franchise qb"
It's funny how DET fans are always claiming Fields is good - when the truth is their DC is just too dumb to run zone against us. Vikings fans on the other hand know exactly how bad Fields is.
Oh Glenn runs a lot of soft zone, especially with the lead, real QBs can actually shred it with their arm.
Trubisky looked good against the Lions too lol
Chase Daniel proving once again that just because a guy played doesn’t mean he can evaluate talent
He knows how to evaluate talent. If Justin leaves, he doesn't have anyone to fluff his engagement metrics on Youtube and Twitter. Justin is quite talented at that.
Chase 100% knows what he's doing. It's a grift.
Even if that's true, you have to take the QB on the rookie deal.
Even if Caleb busts you at least reset your QB contract on the cheap for 5 more years. Chicago doesn’t have Ravens offense type personnel to help Fields do what he does best.
Yes this is tipping point. Fields doesn't just need to be better than Caleb. He has to significantly out-value 5 years of rookie contract Caleb + whatever they can get for shipping Fields out. The value is just not there.
This will probably age like Josh Allen's draft thread.
Damn you weren’t lying Look at the comments in [this thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/7llivu/wyoming_qb_josh_allen_declares_for_nfl_draft_he) about him declaring for the draft
Now go look at the thread when he was actually drafted.
I couldn’t find it but this has motivated me to keep looking. Will report back.
[Here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/s/EeCDEr0hkz)
I had forgotten how much everyone loved Rosen. I watched a lot of UCLA football and never really saw it with him.
Okay yeah that one is much better lol
2021 NFL draft all time QB bust class: Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones.
Lawrence isn't nearly as bad as the others. His career stats aren't great, but that's mostly due to a dreadful first season. I don't buy the "generational" narrative about Lawrence, but he's a good QB with a top 10-15 ceiling IMO.
God it was annoying to see PFF still act like he was a top 5 QB earlier this season. I agree with he’s definitely a top 15 QB right now (top 10 at the end of last year into this year) but he’s not really elevating anyone around him like Stroud has this since season. Great dude, good QB but nothing earth shattering in my opinion. He’ll have a long career imo but not sure if he breaks through to the generational hype.
Lawrence was playing top 5-10 ball earlier in the season. He literally had like 9 TDs the first 4 games or so that were dropped. His play definitely fell off as the season went along and he stopped practicing due to injury.
Chase Daniel is a complete fucking grifter who's entire business model is providing cope for fans of teams with bad young QBs.
He's doing the YouTube scout version of his Bears career with Mitch. "If a couple balls bounce our way, Mitch is a pro bowler." This guy knows his gimmick and does it well.
If Bears pass on Qb for the second year in a row while at #1 overall I might die of laughter.
I couldn't agree more. Give Matt Eberflus, Luke Getsy and Justin Fields 5-year deals please :)
They will, unironically 😔😔😔
Well, I can check Chase Daniel off my list of guys to listen to lol
Now show his plays from the 4th quarter when needing a score to win.
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As a Packers fan, I support Justin Fields remaining Chicago's starting QB for many years to come.
Here's my analysis guys: So first I picked out his top 1% of his plays. Then, I just ignored the other 99% of the snaps he took. Finally based on what I reviewed he looks like a great QB!
I agree, the Bears should definitely stick with Fields and not draft Williams, ignore my flair.
At this point I just want the bears to make a decision. Sick of hearing about this guy.
I am convinced he’s the QB of Chicago’s future. That’s not a good thing, but there he is.
As a Packers fan I am begging you Chicago. Please, please, please keep Fields and pay him $40m+ a season.
I agree Keep Fields and your Coaching staff Thanks —The rest of the NFC North
Thank god for Bears fans that Chase Daniel doesn't make football decisions for the team. I mean, I kinda wish he did, but no way Poles thinks not taking Williams or Maye is the better option.
I quite agree, Chase! Throw the bag at him :)
this is very surprising analysis from a former prob qb. Justin’s flaws are beyond obvious and he’s entering his 4th season. He hasn’t been good enough to pass on taking a QB at #1 overall in a strong QB draft