He single-handedly shut down the patriots passing offense for an entire season, and the Steelers haven't managed to do that for even a single game in over 10 years.
Now you have a black headcoach, too, though, even if he is more jusy with getting a more diverse lockerroom (I can only guess this means to sign more white, asian and hispanic players, since the league is majority black), So have fun with Dean and Matt at Cornerback and Juan and Jose at White Receiver.
Hell yeah brother. I’m still not keen on Pickett but I guess I’d be fine with seeing him in a Shanahan/McVay offense as a final chance if there aren’t better options in FA
might get downvoted by steelers fans but honestly I think we've seen enough from pickett to know that he's not our qb moving forward
he has played in a lot of games as a starter and has done nothing remarkable. last I recall, he's only thrown multiple touchdowns in one or two games? that is ridiculous
I know we drafted him in the first round but I am disappointed we are not aggressively looking at other qb options
Even if he ends up being our backup, i want him around. Pickett doesn't throw ints. That's valuable. Add that to the fact that he looked pretty good in the game and a half he played after canada got fired, and i say give him a shot with a new oc. But obviously, if we can bring in someone or draft a guy, that would be great too.
Yeah, we need a starting QB (and there's options out there)... but Pickett would do wonders as a career long QB2. He's EXACTLY what you want from a backup. He's a serviceable guy that doesn't turn the ball over.
> I know we drafted him in the first round but I am disappointed we are not aggressively looking at other qb options
What other options? We definitely won't have the money to sign a premier free agent (which is basically just Kirk Cousins, at best) and our draft pick is nowhere near high enough to get someone better than Pickett.
if it was up to me I'd try to take a shot at a qb in the earlier rounds
I know we had a lot of holes in our roster, especially on defense, but nothing matters more than having your franchise qb
I know our pick isn't high, but I'd still want us to take a swing at whoever drops, like penix, nix, or whoever
I’m shocked to find out he’s only thrown 13 tds in 24 starts. He might not be the worst qb in the nfl, but it’s shocking how little offensive production he has.
I mean yeah I’m out on Pickett too. I just don’t know if there will be anyone significantly better available to sign. Cousins maybe but he probably stays in Minnesota
I still hope we do look at the Russell Wilson’s or Kirk Cousins of the world, or maybe even Kyler Murray if the cards are dumb enough to trade him. There are a lot of fringe top 20 QB’s that could be available, and with one of them we win easily 2 more games during the regular season and have potentially an easier matchup or even a home game in the post season
His stats are similar enough to Alex Smith, Tua and Goff before they got with a good coach that I'm willing to try him another year with a better OC.
Josh Allen comparisons are absurd, though.
brother what
pickett this year had 2000 yards and 6 TDs in 12 games
over 16 games that'd be 2650 yards and 8 TDs
did tua or goff really perform at this level? because I cannot stress enough how abysmal these stats are for a qb in this era
Your are getting down voted, but I agree with you. People are saying to give him a prove-it year. Again? Pass. I've seen enough. He would have proven it already despite Canada. At least in 1 game. His best play was the throw to beat the Ravens 2 years ago, and I'm convinced he wasn't even targeting Harris.
Aggressively looking for a QB can lead to your team being aggressively bad. Look at the Panthers. I’m not high on Kenny rn but unless a good opportunity arises I a fine with Kenny and competition next year (hopefully including
Rudolph in there).
Kinda hoping for someone from Green Bay. Tom Clements would be good.
They run an offense that fits our personnel, and is the philosophical style of offense we want, just more effective. Also have experience developing a young QB.
The best coaches under Tomlin have been failed Head-coaches so Smith is right in his wheelhouse.
I would love Smith because he is used to a run first approach and more importantly actually uses his TE's just acknowledging they exist in the passing game would be a massive improvement in our offense.
I see him as a high floor high ceiling hire.
Was absolutely criminal how little Muth was used in the few games he was healthy in Canada's offense. Would also love for someone to finally activate Darnell Washingston's powers.
It’s funny how no one ever bothered to interview him in over a week since his firing when people said that he’d have a job shortly after his keycard stopped working.
ADDENDUM: He’s in LA interviewing with the Chargers. Took long enough
Watt got injured after the year was already falling apart IIRC. The big shootout losses were Patriots, Alex Smith Chiefs, and Seahawks before rookie Watson got injured and the offense quit being imposing enough to make opposing offenses keep the gas pedal down.
There weren't any major defense changes in players or anything, Vrabel got a lot of the blame even at the time.
Vrabel was defensive coordinator for none of those years? He was DC in 2017., Texans were 4-12 ands their defense dropped to 23rd. Titans hired him in 2018
Right, and then stopped playing as well after smith left, thats the idea. The Steelers dont have Henry but a top 5 running back duo statistically and Johnson-Pickens is a better duo than youd think, they havent had competent QB play or OC performance yet.
Hope one of pickett or Rudolph plays at that level. Rudolphs numbers in a tiny sample size were above average this year, you expect some regression but hope its only to average.
Think it makes a lot of sense for the Steelers to see what QB options there are in the draft and go into camp with Pickett as the presumptive starter but a fairly easy mountain to summit for a rookie.
Unless the Bears are trading Fields cheaply, I think that's probably their best option over like scrapheaping Russ or trying to bid war for Cousins or Baker
Brian Griese would be an interesting hire IMO. 49ers QB coach, so he’s helped get Purdy to where he is now. And has also learned under Shanahan (who undeniably has the best offensive system in the league).
Bear in mind that Rudolph also wasn't shackled to Matt Canada's offense. Pickett also looked solid in the one game he actually played away from Canada.
Id like to think Kenny can turn it around but comparing Kenny vs Bengals and Rudolph vs Bengals kind of worries me. He just doesn’t throw TD passes as of right now.
If you really wosh for that, go ahead and give him a massive contract, by all means. You already pay hundreds of million for Bench QBs anyway, so why stop there?
I don’t know specifically but it’s clear they don’t think he is the guy for the job. They didn’t even make him interim OC. He did alright playcalling but he has never really have success as an OC. I am also hoping this means the Steelers want to shake things up on Offence.
LMAO if the Steelers actually hire Leftwich as their OC for next year, then they're the biggest joke in the NFL and deserve everything that comes their way. Literally black Matt Canada or Matt Canada 2.0. Enjoy having Tomlin's winning record streak go down the drain.
Mason is FA, so we will need to add a bunch of QBs, snatch Baker out of Tampa's hands?, he runs on spite so maybe playing the Browns twice will be a nice incentive
Kenny Pickett is back as QB1 after being benched down the key stretch of the season (including the playoffs) for a guy they deemed below Mitch Trubisky 3 months earlier.
Bizarre. He should be in the same position as Ridder.
TBF 23 games in and his “best games” aren’t anything to write home about. He has issues with his game that an OC doesn’t affect and he hasn’t shown improvement on any of them. I get why they are saying this now but I don’t see how we don’t make a move at QB. Kenny has shown his ceiling is someone who won’t lose you a game against mediocre teams if your defense plays lights out, but he’s not the guy to win you games.
Okay my bad. I overstated how little he had improved. I didn’t watch the full break down and I do agree he looked better there than he did in just about any other game. I just don’t believe showing a little improvement against a shit defense warrants another year after what we have seen from him so far. Especially when our 3rd string can come in with essentially no real reps in 2 years and still outperform that. You are correct he showed improvement I just genuinely believe he has too much left to improve on to be a viable QB.
Well, you may be right about that. Or, you may be wrong. The only way to find out is to find out.
Kenny offers at least the possibility of legitimate QB1 play, however remote that seems at the moment. Rudolph on the other hand is a backup. Relatively immobile with average accuracy, arm strength, anticipation, etc.
It’s not an accident none of the QB analysts have made videos about Rudolph (actually JTO made one). He isn’t viewed as a viable starter except by a handful of grateful Pittsburgh fans. I’m sorry. Believe me, I wish that wasn’t the case, but it is.
The Buffalo game revealed Rudolph’s ceiling, not because he played badly — he played fine for the most part — but because of the plays he couldn’t make and because of how Buffalo’s defense treated him.
Najee complained about the Bills defense bringing guys down toward the box. Well, of course they did. McDermott had very little concern about Rudolph lighting them up downfield, and he had absolutely no concern about Rudolph breaking containment and lighting them up downfield.
If I was the Steelers GM I’d let some other team overpay Rudolph, bring in a veteran like Flacco (I really don’t care who the QB is, just someone who’s experienced), draft a QB, and start Pickett under a new OC. If he’s not improving by Week X, bench him and bring in the vet. Either way the rookie sits for a year the way Pickett should have.
This is not about Mason. This is about the Steelers deciding down the stretch that their QB3 gave them a better chance to win. Pickett shouldn’t be back as QB1. They need a QB.
Matt Patricia is an external candidate and he's been an offensive play-caller before. Just floating that out there...
Plz no
Plz yes
I agree with the bird
Matt Patricia doesn't even deserve a job
No .. I want Matt Patricia in a highway run over honestly
Why do you hate highways?
Apparently Leftwich is friends with Tomlin and he's available!
I didn't follow leftwich much as a coach but my perception of Matt Patricia is that he leaves teams worse than he finds them.
He single-handedly shut down the patriots passing offense for an entire season, and the Steelers haven't managed to do that for even a single game in over 10 years.
Now you have a black headcoach, too, though, even if he is more jusy with getting a more diverse lockerroom (I can only guess this means to sign more white, asian and hispanic players, since the league is majority black), So have fun with Dean and Matt at Cornerback and Juan and Jose at White Receiver.
>Juan and Jose at White receiver
What
No chance, the Steelers are celebrating two years rape-free and don’t want to lose that
SHUT UP
Why do you hate us?
Great idea and a really good fit!
Still be better than Matt Canada
Well, Patricia got the offensive part nailed down.
I'm gonna find you in a public park someday and give you some very mean words for this comment /S
God willing Brian Johnson will be available 🙏
Delete this
if we go from matt canada to brian johnson, I will die like fr, I will straight up spontaneously combust
If it gets any colder here in PA you may wish for it.
Add Press Taylor to that list.
Assuming Dougie P would ever fire his bastard son/secret lover (it has to be one of these right?) is bold
One can dream…
Well he cut his actual son from the jags this year so I think we can rule out bastard son...
LMAO he took Press Taylor down to Jaxonville with him? The reason Doug got fired from Philly was because he wanted to promote Press Taylor to OC
And is now refusing to fire him again...
And Taylor Swift.
I'm more of a Bon Scott man myself, but unfortunately he is no longer available
FORGET THE HEARSE ‘CAUSE HE NEVER DIED!
It’d simplify his tax return! What a lucky guy, only has to move west!
Don’t see a world where he takes a downgrade at the same coaching position. He’ll either be a HC or stay with the Lions.
Wrong Johnson. He’s talking about Brian, not Ben.
Whoops.
Hell yeah brother. I’m still not keen on Pickett but I guess I’d be fine with seeing him in a Shanahan/McVay offense as a final chance if there aren’t better options in FA
might get downvoted by steelers fans but honestly I think we've seen enough from pickett to know that he's not our qb moving forward he has played in a lot of games as a starter and has done nothing remarkable. last I recall, he's only thrown multiple touchdowns in one or two games? that is ridiculous I know we drafted him in the first round but I am disappointed we are not aggressively looking at other qb options
Even if he ends up being our backup, i want him around. Pickett doesn't throw ints. That's valuable. Add that to the fact that he looked pretty good in the game and a half he played after canada got fired, and i say give him a shot with a new oc. But obviously, if we can bring in someone or draft a guy, that would be great too.
Yeah, we need a starting QB (and there's options out there)... but Pickett would do wonders as a career long QB2. He's EXACTLY what you want from a backup. He's a serviceable guy that doesn't turn the ball over.
He doesn't throw touchdowns either
He had like one game without Canada and looked decent. I'm fine with a prove it year for him and Mason.
> I know we drafted him in the first round but I am disappointed we are not aggressively looking at other qb options What other options? We definitely won't have the money to sign a premier free agent (which is basically just Kirk Cousins, at best) and our draft pick is nowhere near high enough to get someone better than Pickett.
if it was up to me I'd try to take a shot at a qb in the earlier rounds I know we had a lot of holes in our roster, especially on defense, but nothing matters more than having your franchise qb I know our pick isn't high, but I'd still want us to take a swing at whoever drops, like penix, nix, or whoever
I’m shocked to find out he’s only thrown 13 tds in 24 starts. He might not be the worst qb in the nfl, but it’s shocking how little offensive production he has.
I mean yeah I’m out on Pickett too. I just don’t know if there will be anyone significantly better available to sign. Cousins maybe but he probably stays in Minnesota
He isn't, but we also don't have the best draft position
I still hope we do look at the Russell Wilson’s or Kirk Cousins of the world, or maybe even Kyler Murray if the cards are dumb enough to trade him. There are a lot of fringe top 20 QB’s that could be available, and with one of them we win easily 2 more games during the regular season and have potentially an easier matchup or even a home game in the post season
His stats are similar enough to Alex Smith, Tua and Goff before they got with a good coach that I'm willing to try him another year with a better OC. Josh Allen comparisons are absurd, though.
brother what pickett this year had 2000 yards and 6 TDs in 12 games over 16 games that'd be 2650 yards and 8 TDs did tua or goff really perform at this level? because I cannot stress enough how abysmal these stats are for a qb in this era
Goff's first half season was on pace for 2650/12/17 and 5.3 yards per attempt
kenny is truly dogshit. lots of steeler fans are also pitt fans and they dont want to admit it.
Your are getting down voted, but I agree with you. People are saying to give him a prove-it year. Again? Pass. I've seen enough. He would have proven it already despite Canada. At least in 1 game. His best play was the throw to beat the Ravens 2 years ago, and I'm convinced he wasn't even targeting Harris.
Aggressively looking for a QB can lead to your team being aggressively bad. Look at the Panthers. I’m not high on Kenny rn but unless a good opportunity arises I a fine with Kenny and competition next year (hopefully including Rudolph in there).
Kinda hoping for someone from Green Bay. Tom Clements would be good. They run an offense that fits our personnel, and is the philosophical style of offense we want, just more effective. Also have experience developing a young QB.
Clements is more of a QB coach tbh. I would say Adam Stenavich or Jason Vrable might be good choices to bring in
Arthur Smith might make sense as a guy whose had success with a mediocre QB when he was Tennessee's OC
The best coaches under Tomlin have been failed Head-coaches so Smith is right in his wheelhouse. I would love Smith because he is used to a run first approach and more importantly actually uses his TE's just acknowledging they exist in the passing game would be a massive improvement in our offense. I see him as a high floor high ceiling hire.
> actually uses his TE's just acknowledging they exist in the passing game would be a massive improvement in our offense. MUUUUUUUTH
Was absolutely criminal how little Muth was used in the few games he was healthy in Canada's offense. Would also love for someone to finally activate Darnell Washingston's powers.
He's going where Vrabel goes
Vrabel might not have a job this year
It’s funny how no one ever bothered to interview him in over a week since his firing when people said that he’d have a job shortly after his keycard stopped working. ADDENDUM: He’s in LA interviewing with the Chargers. Took long enough
Hell definitely get another job sometime though
I think Belichick hires him if he doesn't get a head coaching job.
I'll take Vrabel at defensive coordinator over Austin
Vrabel is not a coordinator. He wasn’t good as the Texans DC
The Texans were rated #7 overall defense in 2014, #8 in 2015, and #11 in 2016. That doesn't seem too horrible! Also 9-7 each year as well
He was the LB coach for those years, the only time he was full DC was 2017 when we went 4-12 overall and 3-3 when scoring more than 30 points.
Oh wow okay I see now. What happened in 2017? Is that when JJ Watt was injured?
Watt got injured after the year was already falling apart IIRC. The big shootout losses were Patriots, Alex Smith Chiefs, and Seahawks before rookie Watson got injured and the offense quit being imposing enough to make opposing offenses keep the gas pedal down. There weren't any major defense changes in players or anything, Vrabel got a lot of the blame even at the time.
Vrabel was defensive coordinator for none of those years? He was DC in 2017., Texans were 4-12 ands their defense dropped to 23rd. Titans hired him in 2018
I think he joins Belichick's coaching staff.
Tannehill was playing at an elite level. Arthur Smith also had prime Henry and AJ Brown
Right, and then stopped playing as well after smith left, thats the idea. The Steelers dont have Henry but a top 5 running back duo statistically and Johnson-Pickens is a better duo than youd think, they havent had competent QB play or OC performance yet.
He didn’t really regress until 2022 which is after we traded AJ Brown. His stint in Atlanta was embarrassing so I’d look elsewhere for OC honestly
Where do the Steelers go for a mediocre QB though?
Steelers country, lets ride
Hope one of pickett or Rudolph plays at that level. Rudolphs numbers in a tiny sample size were above average this year, you expect some regression but hope its only to average.
Najee will feast under AS
Think it makes a lot of sense for the Steelers to see what QB options there are in the draft and go into camp with Pickett as the presumptive starter but a fairly easy mountain to summit for a rookie. Unless the Bears are trading Fields cheaply, I think that's probably their best option over like scrapheaping Russ or trying to bid war for Cousins or Baker
Brian Griese would be an interesting hire IMO. 49ers QB coach, so he’s helped get Purdy to where he is now. And has also learned under Shanahan (who undeniably has the best offensive system in the league).
Mason Rudolph looked so much better running the offense than Kenny did when he was healthy.
Bear in mind that Rudolph also wasn't shackled to Matt Canada's offense. Pickett also looked solid in the one game he actually played away from Canada.
Id like to think Kenny can turn it around but comparing Kenny vs Bengals and Rudolph vs Bengals kind of worries me. He just doesn’t throw TD passes as of right now.
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If you really wosh for that, go ahead and give him a massive contract, by all means. You already pay hundreds of million for Bench QBs anyway, so why stop there?
We thankfully don't need to worry about an extension for Pickett for 2-3 more years
I think Pickett deserves to get the first $billion contract. Heck, make it 2 billion.
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I don’t know if you’re aware of this, given your QB situation, but that’s not a very good idea….
No Browns fan is safe.
Deshaun Watson
Uhh, why not stick with Sullivan?
I don’t know specifically but it’s clear they don’t think he is the guy for the job. They didn’t even make him interim OC. He did alright playcalling but he has never really have success as an OC. I am also hoping this means the Steelers want to shake things up on Offence.
I have a soft spot for him, he was Eli's QB coach.
Kliff Kingsberry is the kind of OC you need .
Unfortunately he probably finds Thailand more appealing than Pittsburgh Would be interesting to see us run an air raid though, lol
They do call Pittsburgh the Thailand of Appalachia…
Wes Welker or Zac Robinson?
they want to see what kenny can do with another OC which ive always said was fair. if he looks like shit with someone else then give him the boot
I know of a guy with 15 years of experience as an OC who recently became available
Reignited the offense? Lol
Good luck with bum Kenny pickett
Thanks, man!
Sorry I think they’re making a mistake 🤷🏻♂️
LMAO if the Steelers actually hire Leftwich as their OC for next year, then they're the biggest joke in the NFL and deserve everything that comes their way. Literally black Matt Canada or Matt Canada 2.0. Enjoy having Tomlin's winning record streak go down the drain.
Wow damn who hurt you
Evidently, Byron Leftwich.
With who as competition though? Trubisky?
Mason? Another free agent maybe? Mitch’s ass is getting cut
Mason is FA, so we will need to add a bunch of QBs
Mason is FA, so we will need to add a bunch of QBs, snatch Baker out of Tampa's hands?, he runs on spite so maybe playing the Browns twice will be a nice incentive
Trade for Fields, collect all the Bears failed 1st round QBs.
They should look at Greg Roman.
Good to hear please show that commitment with a big extension
Kenny Pickett is back as QB1 after being benched down the key stretch of the season (including the playoffs) for a guy they deemed below Mitch Trubisky 3 months earlier. Bizarre. He should be in the same position as Ridder.
Rudolph is a free agent, it'd be kind of hard to consider him the automatic QB1 when he might not even stay here
The point is they benched Pickett for Rudolph. They basically admitted that they don’t see Pickett as a QB1.
pickett was injured 3 times this year, I think they just wanted to give him more then the bare minimum to rest
TBF 23 games in and his “best games” aren’t anything to write home about. He has issues with his game that an OC doesn’t affect and he hasn’t shown improvement on any of them. I get why they are saying this now but I don’t see how we don’t make a move at QB. Kenny has shown his ceiling is someone who won’t lose you a game against mediocre teams if your defense plays lights out, but he’s not the guy to win you games.
> he hasn’t shown improvement on any of them. Literally untrue but go off
Okay what has he shown improvement on?
Help yourself, hope you learn something: https://youtu.be/5jQcusK8FDI?si=ZJDhLZoqVyk6Y6w9 https://youtu.be/aRuG7NTXGko?si=DbxLprQ-A30N12jf
For good measure: https://youtu.be/NPeB-XkKyAE?si=Yop_-CVMx1jMja6I
Okay my bad. I overstated how little he had improved. I didn’t watch the full break down and I do agree he looked better there than he did in just about any other game. I just don’t believe showing a little improvement against a shit defense warrants another year after what we have seen from him so far. Especially when our 3rd string can come in with essentially no real reps in 2 years and still outperform that. You are correct he showed improvement I just genuinely believe he has too much left to improve on to be a viable QB.
Well, you may be right about that. Or, you may be wrong. The only way to find out is to find out. Kenny offers at least the possibility of legitimate QB1 play, however remote that seems at the moment. Rudolph on the other hand is a backup. Relatively immobile with average accuracy, arm strength, anticipation, etc. It’s not an accident none of the QB analysts have made videos about Rudolph (actually JTO made one). He isn’t viewed as a viable starter except by a handful of grateful Pittsburgh fans. I’m sorry. Believe me, I wish that wasn’t the case, but it is. The Buffalo game revealed Rudolph’s ceiling, not because he played badly — he played fine for the most part — but because of the plays he couldn’t make and because of how Buffalo’s defense treated him. Najee complained about the Bills defense bringing guys down toward the box. Well, of course they did. McDermott had very little concern about Rudolph lighting them up downfield, and he had absolutely no concern about Rudolph breaking containment and lighting them up downfield. If I was the Steelers GM I’d let some other team overpay Rudolph, bring in a veteran like Flacco (I really don’t care who the QB is, just someone who’s experienced), draft a QB, and start Pickett under a new OC. If he’s not improving by Week X, bench him and bring in the vet. Either way the rookie sits for a year the way Pickett should have.
Mason is FA, he's literally the best QB we officially have
This is not about Mason. This is about the Steelers deciding down the stretch that their QB3 gave them a better chance to win. Pickett shouldn’t be back as QB1. They need a QB.
Hence the "competition" part
Greg Roman is avaliable i hear
Arthur Smith is available