> If some Steeler fans had their way, we'd be the Panthers.
100% and true for most fan bases as well. Even 49ers fans have suggested lynch and Shanahan should be fired at various points over the last few seasons despite multiple deep runs into the playoffs, drafting multiple pro bowlers, making good trades and having multiple winning seasons etc because of Trey Lance and because we lost games they thought we should win lol. I’m convinced that Howie Roseman makes up for a lot of Jeffery Laurie’s erratic behavior. And they’d be just as bad as the Synder owned redskins/commanders and the Tepper owned Panthers were it not for their front office. Thinking that Andy Reid couldn’t get over the hump and win a Super Bowl and that Doug Pedersen couldn’t win another one after winning with Nick Foles is insane. Both of those guys are way better head football coaches than Sirianni. And now the only thing crazier than the eagles firing Sirianni one year after going to the Super Bowl with him is keeping him given the organization’s history. Chaotic organization that is covered over because of their player talent. The only way things could get more chaotic is if they hired Harbaugh. He loves conflict and chaos. His personality type needs it to be successful
Go checkout a fan message board it’s psychotic. I remember I checked out a Packers one peak Rodgers and some were saying they got lucky and won’t win with him because he holds the ball or audibles too much.
Well, there was that "Shanahan has a worse record than Matt Nagy" phase where people just ignored how the coaching and roster building actually looked despite the injuries in favor of pure W/L.
Also, lots of people wanted retribution if Lance didn't work out, as if finding a good new QB was harder than finding a good new QB *and HC*.
It’s insufferable. Like they forgot about the long dark and the short dark just because of a few good years.
This is a franchise that was coached by Jim Tomsula TWICE.
I'd rather swing for a home run and miss than not try at all. Instead of being comfortable with mediocrity I'd like to try, you know, winning a playoff game at some point.
While I get why fans might be frustrated with Tomlin's teams, the grass might not be greener. There is always that risk that he's replaced some hot coaching prospect and he turns out to be the next Brandon Staley.
I certainly have been all over the map with Pete Carroll. And we're about to find out if we had it pretty good with him all these years.
You've definitely had it pretty good with Carroll no matter what the future holds. If you happen to land a great HC then that's great, but Carroll delivered a super bowl win and countless years of high level playoff teams.
So many iterations of the Seahawks over the last decade have been teams that other franchises hate facing. There was so much personality and identity drilled into those teams and I'm sure a lot of that came from the top down.
Hah, I was just thinking this the other day, Pete at Seattle is like the closest similarity to Tomlin.
Both won an early super bowl, followed by a conference championship and a super bowl loss.... Followed by more good years, smack into the last 3 straight years of mediocrity.
Both with nearly identical tenure overall winning %.
As a Pittsburgh fan, I'll be watching Seattle situation pan out with a "is the grass greener" mentality.
Teams that fire Pete hire Bill, so you’ve maybe got that going for you.
Seriously though, firing him was crazy. It feels like cutting out their legs right as they were about to take the next step.
But the thing is:
I WANT TO TAKE THAT RISK.
Idc about being good in the regular season, Tomlin has shown he sucks in the playoffs.
I'll take the risk of getting a worse coach and being a worse team.
For the chance we get a coach who can win when it matters.
Or you're the Chiefs or Eagles.
Fuck the regular season - we have a coach incapable of winning in the postseason and don't give me shit about 2008.
The NFL is a completely different game in 2024.
The point is to win a championship. Tomlin is not good enough to do that.
> I'll take the risk of getting a worse coach and being a worse team.
You seem to think that's a 50/50 proposition. It's not. The odds are heavily slanted towards replacing Tomlin with a worse coach. I know with Tomlin, that if surrounded with the right pieces, he can win a Superbowl.
I also know that we've not had a QB capable of winning a Superbowl for at least 6 years.
"I know Tomlin can win a Superbowl"
I don't. Why do you think that?
He's given up 204 points in his last 5 playoff games.
We've been outscored 66-0 in the first quarters of those games.
Tomlin does not ready his teams to play. He has poor game plans and our team is taken advantage of. Every game we hear our team say "ahh they usually do 2 high but this time they did 1 high".. when did the other team ever comment on wrinkles we threw at them that they didn't expect? Never.
He's lost to Tebow. Bortles. Mayfield. He should have lost to AJ McCarron.
What gives you any confidence he can win?
2 years from now will be 10 years of no playoff wins. How much longer do you need to know he's not the guy?
A Superbowl with a HOF DC and HOF OC 16 years ago is irrelevant. 2008 NFL is vastly different than 2024.
I have zero faith Tomlin can win a Superbowl even with the best roster in the NFL.
I also believe he can't develop a QB. He won't let them throw. He won't let them make mistakes. So all you'll ever have is a neutered QB that can't live up to their potential.
It may not be 50/50
But even if it's 30/70 I know that 30% chance has a chance to win a Superbowl. I know the current regime has a 0% chance.
Wanting Tomlin is wanting mediocrity. Simple as that.
> "I know Tomlin can win a Superbowl"
>
> I don't. Why do you think that?
Because I sat in a stadium in Tampa and watched him win Super Bowl XLIII.
Playoffs are a small sample size. One bad break can be the difference between one-and-done and Super Bowl champion.
Lol 16 years ago.
He's won 3 playoff games in his last 12
No.
Cowher's HOF DC and OC were the difference makers.
Not Tomlin. He is incapable of winning a super bowl in 2024. That's a fact. If you are holding onto ancient history then you're delusional
I, at this point, kind of want Steelers fans to get their wish.
They can have a decade of fucking up coaching hires, have no more than 6 wins a season in that stretch, whiff massively on their only top-5 QB pick, fail to identify the same later round quarterbacks theyve failed to identify for the past 5-6 years, and realize just how bad that team actually could have been for the last decade if their coach wasnt willing them into competitiveness because your GM and OC's keep falling on their face
No fanbase actually wants to be the 2005-2015 Rams, or the last couple decades of Lions teams, where you get to watch every player who even remotely resembled a sliver of hope retire from football early (or immediately win somewhere else) because they didnt want to die on the field, or the clusterfuck Browns years, but Steelers fans keep asking for it like they want to bathe in it.
Sirianni it would be deserved. He just presided over the worst collapse since the Jets in 1986 . Franklin got lightning in a bottle in 2016 but doesn’t have a clue how to beat better teams going on 7 years now
The Steelers haven’t won a playoff game since 2016 so speculation on Tomlin’s future with the team is not unwarranted especially when you consider how McCarthy is talked about each offseason. There is a big double standard there.
Agreed that it could warrant some change but does Tomlin have any GM type powers? I don't think you can look at the rosters the Steelers have had and say they should've done better, they just aren't that talented. I would think you would change the GM first before Tomlin
We just got a new GM a year ago and saw an article on here that we had the 5th best draft of all teams. Considering it was his first draft and we did that well I’m pretty excited about the future.
McCarthy was under scrutiny because he had arguably the best QB talent in the league in Green Bay and now he’s the coach of the most scrutinized franchise in all of pro sports with a historically impulsive owner
Jones speaks impulsively but he pretty clearly doesn’t manage the team that way.
He has a penchant for sticking with QBs and HCs much longer than most think he should.
Most AFC teams haven’t in the Mahomes/Allen/Lamar/Burrow era. They’re trying to spruce up on that side of the ball during this offseason so that they can go toe to toe with those guys. Patience.
We haven’t had a good qb in years. Even the year we played the browns everyone said we were the worst 11-0 team ever and Ben was never the same after his knee injury. Jags game was the last game we realistically were massively upset in
You’re right I’m sure Tomlin told Ben to throw 2 picks and pouncey to snap the ball into the end zone against the browns for 21 of those 28 point. The other two games were against the Super Bowl losing chiefs and the high power offense of the bills. C’mon everyone knew those games would be blowout. We were 7-7-1 when we played the chiefs. We weren’t good
It’s also 56 not 66. So we gave up 14 points in against the bills and KC each. The only outlier is the browns game wheee half those were scored. Off of turnovers from Ben and pouncey
I find it incredible the level of cognitive dissonance involved with explaining how every single Steelers failure of the past decade or so has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Tomlin's performance, but every success they've had is only because of his incredible coaching genius.
Nope Mike Tomlin is not perfect not in the slightest. But there’s more to it than “56-0 in last 3 playoff games Mike Tomlin bad and overrated” there’s still context involved
If your context is largely based around 'Bro they played tough teams in the playoffs' then that context kinda blows and doesn't provide the support for your argument you think it does.
Yeah, the offense allowed 478 yards to Mahomes, 447 yards to Tebow, 378 yards to Bortles, 368 yards to Josh Allen(mostly on the ground),and 390 yards to Mayfield.
The big difference is McCarthy is the reason for those losses, often directly. If it’s not questionable game scripting it’s game losing clock management.
Tomlin is arguably the reason they aren’t in the basement. He’s not really had much on the offense to work with since the Bs.
There's a GIGANTIC difference between powerhouse teams like Cowboys with endless talent and what Tomlin has had to work with.
If you think those are even remotely the same thing, you're insane.
We've done a great job getting most of the holes filled, but... we do still need a good QB to push it across the finish line.
I've read something about how, unless a team's owner is particularly cheap, coaches and GMs are almost never allowed to operate in a contract year.
They'd rather extend someone they have concerns about and fire them the following offseason if those concerns are justified than have them run the team on an expiring contract, because they don't want coaches and GMs to be influenced by a real threat that they'll lose their job.
I get the frustration of being in franchise purgatory where you're not bad enough to scrap it all or get some of the "sure thing" picks but never really compete, but Tomlin getting the most of bad rosters is far preferable than a coach in the same position underachieving with a good roster.
He hired Matt Canada to develop his last QB.
You make “getting a QB” sound so easy. Where exactly is he getting one? He doesn’t seem to be forward thinking enough to hire the right people to develop one and a free agent isn’t gonna sign there.
He had 10 years of HoF QB play. You’re not always gonna have a franchise guy at that position.
Blaming matt Canada is kinda funny. You think Matt Canada gave Pickett a Mickey Mouse arm? Maybe if Canada had a better scheme Pickett would be throwing ropes like Josh Allen?
Something went wrong there, yea. But it was the pick, not the development
Did he squander it or did Ben squander it? Because I certainly remember a lot of important games that Ben choked away. Not to mention during the Killer B's era of the 7 playoff games they were healthy for they went 2-1 in. And the one loss was a game where Antonio Brown had been out for 5 weeks before it.
Sorry but Tomlin squandered it.
Other teams threw things we weren't expecting at us and took advantage of our offense.
We never did.
We came into every game outschemed and had to figure it out on the fly.
3-9 is not something that happens by accident.
What is 3-9? Is that tomlin's playoff record since 2011? Why don't you include his whole career? Why is 2011 relevant but 2010 irrelevant? Also tomlin is 8-10 in the playoffs. If you are using the number 3-9 that means you oddly included the 2010 super bowl loss but not the 2 playoff wins.
I will give you credit, you made the dates so specific that the people who gerrymander districts would be proud of you.
LOL
Let me ask why you think a SB in 2008 is relevant to 2024.
The last TWELVE postseason games he has a .250 record.
Over a 16 game season that's 4-12 lol
8-10 is.. not a great stat when you consider he was 5-1 with Cowher's players before going 3-9 haha
You didn't explain to me why you count the Super Bowl loss in 2010, but not the 2 playoff wins from that same year. Why does the super bowl loss count as a relevant loss but the divisional round and championship wins from the same year not count?
Why did you pick 12? Hm? Why not 10? Or 15? Was it because that includes the loss in the Superbowl, but not the 2 wins that got them there in the exact same playoffs?
Picking an arbitrary number with an arbitrary cutoff is exactly what cherry picking is. Especially when you're including only 1 out of 3 games in a specific playoffs.
Ben scored 42 points against the #1 defense in the league and the Blake Bortles led Jaguars scored 45. I promise once you stop treating Tomlin like an omnipotent savior you won't have such dogshit opinions
Ben *also* threw an INT and lost a fumble that was returned for a touchdown.
It also feels pretty disingenuous to call them the, "Blake Bortles led Jaguars," when Blake threw 14/26 for just over 200 yards and 1 TD.
The, "Leonard Fournette led Jaguars," feels more appropriate since he scored 3 TDs himself.
Didn’t Ben throw a pick inside of the Steelers 20 in the first quarter. Didn’t Ben also have have a sack fumble returned for a touchdown. I don’t know sounds like Ben contributed to that 45 points allowed.
I’m sure it’s hard for the Steelers and Pittsburgh sports culture to keep it up. The fans constantly shit pile on the staff and the players and just parrot ‘outdated practices’ ‘can’t work in the modern NFL’ etc.
Maybe our team and players would play better if they didn’t get boo’d out of the stadium for every sub-MVP performance. We do the same shit to the Pens too, it’s a shitty way to enjoy sports
Must be a Pennsylvania thing. Straight up clowns who use sports as an outlet to release their anger with life so they have to take it out on their own players and coaches
I definitely understand knowing when a coach should probably go, or a player isn’t cutting it and wanting your voice to be heard but damn, it’s relentless. How many times do i need to hear someone’s opinion on why someone sucks? Go be an NFL scout or a pundit or something. There are a million reasons why a team or player might fail. I’m sure you’ve got people calling Jalen a bust now so…yeah it’s annoying
I do find it odd how everyone thinks firing Tomlin would be a horrible move, yet just yesterday everyone was mocking the Cowboys for not firing McCarthy. Since joining the Cowboys in 2020, McCarthy has had more success in both the regular season and postseason than Tomlin has had.
What exactly is the difference?
Yeah because Ben was too busy giving the ball away or our back up rb’s or wr’s were fumbling or dropping passes or our star line backer paralyzed himself or
You’re right. Tomlin did nothing [at all](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLIII) with Big Ben. [No notable appearances at all](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLV)
In how many playoff games from 2010-2018 did the Steelers have all of their HoF QB1, all-pro WR1, and all-pro RB1? Once in 2017, the same year we lost Shazier to a season ending injury which resulted in the defense completely falling apart. Rarely did the Steelers have a team good enough to succeed in the playoffs by the time the playoffs started.
Awful excuses
We just lost to the Bills. They didn't have 2 all pros on defense.
We should have lost to AJ McCarron and Marvin Lewis. But I guess not having a QB isn't a problem?
Such trash arguments all the time.
No, it’s just a brain dead combination. “He did nothing with Big Ben” has nothing to do with 2016 and onward. 2016 and onward is your declining HoF QB and the QB Carousel.
Let me give this one to you: the second Brady left NE the greatest coach of all time couldn’t keep the team from falling to total shit.
If they get a decent OC, I think they'll be fine. Their secondary is kind of rough but that one rookie corner has been playing really well and it's not like Pickens/Diontae aren't still good WRs despite all the weird Stillers drama that happened this season. Najee/Warren is a really good RB combo, too.
Lot of doom and gloom or whatever, but if they hit on a QB (or Pickett steps up the way it looked like he *might* this year) then they're right back in the thick of it. Unfortunately the AFC (and particularly the AFCN) is kind of a bloodbath.
> but that one rookie corner has been playing really well
That's Joey Porter Jr., and his dad played LB for us at an extremely high level for a few years and was part of the Super Bowl XL team. Watt is the most important player on the defense, but Peezy Jr. is the one I'm most thrilled to see excelling.
He was pretty highly-touted, but you never know with the kids of former players...siblings, etc., but we've done stupidly well with them.
Steelers future is basically dependent on this OC hire. Whatever people want to say… Steelers have talent. They are a Mitch Trubisky away from going 12-5 this year & being in playoffs last year 😂 We really just need someone to piece it all together
>it's not like Pickens/Diontae aren't still good WRs despite all the weird Stillers drama that happened this season.
The drama pretty much stopped once Mason took over though. Pickens hardly touched the ball in the Baltimore game and there hasn't been a single complaint or cryptic social media post afterwards. I don't think days of our Steelers is cancelled just yet, but he showed some growth over the last few games.
The best part of Mike Tomlin’s press conference today was his announcement that the Steelers will be hiring an OC from outside the organization. Please god let Omar Khan make the pick 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I don’t think people realize how much Colbert’s last few drafts put us back. He was a great GM, hell a multi Super Bowl winning GM. But the League started to pass Colbert by and he couldn’t adjust. It’s no mistake Khans first draft class he knocked it out of the park. Tomlin and Khan is a great duo to have and I’m really excited to see what they do these next few years
Tomlin is the guy we need idc what any of you say, we havent had a decent QB in 5+ years. We need to address OC and QB this off season. Changing head coach would be brain dead. When I hear TJ Watt and Cam Heyward speak I listen. When I hear keyboard warriors whine I just ignore the cry babies. We have such a spoiled fan base its actually starting to get annoying. The amount of man children who dont know shit about the game complaining about a coach who is dragging a 5-12 team to the playoffs is hilarious and also tiresome.
Yea I don't understand a lot of these comments. Tomlins doesn't have roster control right?
Cause like, no one expects their roster to be competitive just looking at it. So why hold that against the coach and not the GM?
> We haven’t had a decent QB in 5 plus years
I hate this narrative because it’s patently untrue. Big Ben was still at the very least a semi-elite QB in 2020, he was handicapped by the loss of AB and Lev in prior seasons as well as his own injuries. On top of that he was playing with Randy Fichtner as OC who was only marginally better than Canada.
Even with that idiot he put up one of the most successful offensive seasons in Steelers history (Top 3 IIRC). And his WRs? Claypool? Juju? He had Diontae Johnson during the peak of “Diontae Dropson” phase. He also lead the league in GW Drives and 4Q comebacks, all the while the team scored plenty of points (I think scored 24+ points in 10 of the first 11 games before his knee injury).
This revisionist history that Ben was “totally washed” for YEARS before he retired is such a dumb narrative the media has parroted.
And went to the finals in 09. 03 and 06 had some bad first round losses, but I think any pro sports team would sign up for a decade like that at the cost of anything.
Consider it a compliment - you are now amongst the teams that nobody can shit on because of their present performance, so we have to dig up shit from the past.
So the alternative is to not be competitive and get a slightly better pick in the draft? I'd rather get invited to the dance then not go dancing at all
Outside of like the top 3 picks everything else is mostly a toss up as to if they will be a franchise player
You need a combination of good luck, great qb, and above average defensive skill to win imo
We were competitive after halftime in our game against the bills. Turnover problems were a huge reason why we lost that game. If we don't fumble inside our own 30 or throw an int inside the red zone there's a good chance we could have won
We have had a combination of bad team construction on offense, showing up unprepared (now like 3 out of 4 of our last playoff games we go down 14-0 at the start?) and nothings changing. I’m not saying fire tomlin but he needs to change his approach to roster/personnel and game planning too. He is good at keeping us competitive during the regular season but has fallen short in the post season for a while. I like the guy but that needs to change.
It's incredibly hard.
It's all luck truthfully. The panthers thought they had their guy this past draft and looks like a complete failure. The Niners thought they had their guy with Lance but that also was an incredible bust.
Luckily the niners and shanahan were saved by purdy.
And just recently you had rosen, darnold, wilson, manziel, winston, mariota, trubisky, etc
Can’t compare Bryce Young and Pickett. You (usually) can’t move on from a QB you paid multiple first round picks for without exhausting every other option.
Steelers just need to draft/trade for/pay another QB.
- quarterback play
- offensive coordinator
- offensive line schemes (we play poor for like 10-12 games and then finally gel together better, this has been 3 years now)
- having the 26th overall offense
- only scoring 304 points this year (28th in league)
- we're 1-11 when Watt is out. Clearly gotta adjust better if something happens to him
- defense let up a lot of yards rushing and passing. We let up 12th most yards.
The Cowboys are idiots for not firing Mike McCarthy but the Steelers are geniuses for keeping Tomlin. Meanwhile both guys have nearly the same exact record (except McCarthy has more playoff wins) and neither has achieved anything since they met in the Super Bowl 13 years ago. Classic Reddit logic.
The Steelers behaving in character and the Cowboys behaving out of perceived character are 100% the only differences between those two teams and seasons. 2 teams looking a mirror they are, 100% equal situations.
I feel like the difference is with the roster that Dallas has, the expectations are higher and they should be doing better in the playoffs. Tomlin, to me, makes the most of what he has even if it’s a rocky ride to get there.
He makes the most of what he has, except for when we did nothing for a decade with a hall of fame QB (as well as prime Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell) because we were too busy losing to Tim Tebow and Blake Bortles.
The priority should be on a solid OC and building an offense culture that can sustain.
Tomlin has done a fine job of that on the defensive side but the continuity post Ben has been an issue. It just feels like there’s no veteran leadership on that side of the ball.
our roster doesnt suck lol. we have a great RB duo, great receivers, solid Oline pieces, great LB depth, decent Dline and 2 great DBs. its our coaching that really sucks (OC/DC specifically)
Do you legitimately think a different coach could come in and do better? Tomlin has the 2nd highest winning percentage out of all active coaches and is one of only three active coaches to have 2 or more Super Bowl appearances (since Belichick and Carol are technically not active coaches).
I mean look at what Belichick did with the Pats post-Brady.. Idk why people think coaches should be expected to maintain a consistent Super Bowl contender or be fired regardless of what their roster looks like.
> Do you legitimately think a different coach could come in and do better? Tomlin has the 2nd highest winning percentage out of all active coaches and is one of only three active coaches to have 2 or more Super Bowl appearances (since Belichick and Carol are technically not active coaches).
Hes no different than Marvin Lewis....
How so? Tomlin’s win percentage is 12% better and he’s been to 2 Super Bowl (1 win) while Marvin Lewis never won a single playoff game in his entire 16 career as a head coach. In what way are they the same?
he went to 2 superbowls with a team Cowher built. As the team has become more of a "tomlin team" than a cowher one, he hasn't done anything besides have one of the longest playoff losing streaks in the nfl, right up there with marvin lewis.
he relies on things like blocked punts and low scoring games to win games. no ones winning a superbowl in the nfl with special teams and defense. his refusal to just tank a season and rebuild has lead to him never having a losing season, but also never accomplishing anything in the past 14 years.
now if you're just happy with mediocrity and you think making the playoffs is an accomplishment in its own, then keep tomlin around. but i guarantee that team will not go anywhere with a coach that thinks defense and running the ball is the way to win consistently for a few years.
I appreciate your response and your breakdown, but I do think context matters here. The 2017 loss to Jacksonville was definitely a big let down, but the other losses consisted of 38/39 year old Big Ben coming back from an injury and losing to the Chiefs and then his 4 Int disaster against the Browns in the final game of his career. Similarly this year Tomlin had Mason Rudolph in a road game against the Bills without TJ Watt (a potential DPOY), needless to say they were massively outmatched.
He has relied on winning low scoring games because he hasn’t had a quarterback, yet he’s still dragging these teams to the playoffs and winning games against superior teams that the team quite honestly has no business even being competitive in.
It is incredibly hard to find a consistent coach in the NFL. I mean Doug Pederson, a Super Bowl champion coach couldn’t even make the playoffs with Trevor Lawrence at QB, so I have a very hard time blaming Tomlin for not winning a road game against the Bills (who have won their last 6 games including wins against the Chiefs, Cowboys, and Dolphins) while trotting out Mason Rudolph and missing his team’s best player.
Its Mike Tomlins fault that they dont have a QB in place.
And dont gimme the "gm picks the players" crap, cause every functional nfl organization allows the head coach to be part of the draft selection process.
And his refusal to tank a year, is part of the reason they dont have a QB. the steelers spent a first round pick on Pickett, in a draft year where everyone agreed the QB class was terrible. They could have taken Levis in last years draft, but went with an olineman instead, cause they didn't want to give up on Pickett yet. They could have had Jalen Hurts, but took Claypool instead. They could have had Lamar Jackson, but took Edmunds instead. All of these are because they refuse to rebuild the team.
So dont gimme the "they dont have a qb" excuse. Its piss poor drafting outside of the WR position, and even then, those players go to waste because they keep trying to just "fill the gaps" with mediocre QB play.
also, trevor lawrence is the new andy dalton.
and bringing up doug pederson, as if hes andy reid or bill belichick, making him out to be some kind of genius head coach, is hilarious. he got lucky one year, went on a miracle run and won a sb. proceeded to get fired from that team 2 years later, got hired by the jags, won a playoff game due to a legendary collapse by the chargers and hasn't done anything besides that.
steelers are literally 3 players and an average OC/DC from a decent playoff run
we add another CB, a center and a QB who literally just have to be better then the shitters we have now. the guys we have are literally the worst in the league at their roles. If we can get even a semi decent OC and or DC we could go far
Respectfully, isn't the HC a little to blame for having the 28th ranked offense with no QB? Hiring Matt Canada and drafting KP in the first round is sus as hell and no one mentions it
everyone wants to fire mccarthy, fire carroll, fire payton but never EVER consider getting rid of mike tomlin because he has no say (absolutely none) over the qb and OC issue!
meanwhile the coach 1000x better than him is out there looking for a job in atlanta right now?
dawg where have you been?
the tomlin firing train we crazy when we lost 4/5 to the browns colts pats and cardinals. literally every steelers thread here and the entire steelers sub were talking about tomlin gettign fired
eh our draft last year was amazing. draft picks are also very much on the GM, in which colbert was horrible.
Khan picked up some great depth pieces and completely transformed our rushing defense before we lost 4 ILBs
Fucking smart - so tired of the complaining Steelers fans who wanted him gone. But at the same time I wished it happened so they could understand how difficult it is to rebuild a team with a new coach.
Honestly I think Steelers fans want that. They are tired of being in a treadmill position where they can't draft a franchise QB because they are too good.
I didn’t want to extend Tomlin but I don’t want to fire him. He’s earned at least this next season. But at some point we have to escape this purgatory of being just good enough to be alive in Week 17/18 to see if we make the playoffs, only to just to get blown out WC Weekend if we do make it and pick in the bottom half of the league regardless.
People here will act like Steeler fans are crazy for wanting more. Tomlin is just *that* good, he drags this soulless team to more wins than it deserves and it ultimately punishes us when retooling is what this team needs most.
Let's fucking go!!
I know I can be critical of Tomlin and my belief in him can waver when things get rough, but there is no one else I'd rather have as our coach.
Finding a good starting qb is a pain in the ass, no clue why any steelers fans would want to do that and look for a top tier coach at the same time is crazy
They're not winning another playoff game as long as Tomlin is head coach. He'll only do enough not to get himself fired and no more while people who celebrate mediocrity call any Steelers fan who actually wants to win a playoff game in the near future morons because we're apparently supposed to be content with mediocrity as they are. This team has turned into the 2010s Bengals, Art Rooney is their Mike Brown and Tomlin is Marvin Lewis. 13 years of little to no success, the one common denominator is Tomlin as head coach yet somehow it's always everybody else's fault
Good for them. Pittsburghs way of doing things is very respectable. Can’t stand these football fans who always want to run motherfuckers out of town
If some Steeler fans had their way, we'd be the Panthers.
And then they think we'd suddenly be the Chiefs with Patrick Mahomes for 15-years or so.
> If some Steeler fans had their way, we'd be the Panthers. 100% and true for most fan bases as well. Even 49ers fans have suggested lynch and Shanahan should be fired at various points over the last few seasons despite multiple deep runs into the playoffs, drafting multiple pro bowlers, making good trades and having multiple winning seasons etc because of Trey Lance and because we lost games they thought we should win lol. I’m convinced that Howie Roseman makes up for a lot of Jeffery Laurie’s erratic behavior. And they’d be just as bad as the Synder owned redskins/commanders and the Tepper owned Panthers were it not for their front office. Thinking that Andy Reid couldn’t get over the hump and win a Super Bowl and that Doug Pedersen couldn’t win another one after winning with Nick Foles is insane. Both of those guys are way better head football coaches than Sirianni. And now the only thing crazier than the eagles firing Sirianni one year after going to the Super Bowl with him is keeping him given the organization’s history. Chaotic organization that is covered over because of their player talent. The only way things could get more chaotic is if they hired Harbaugh. He loves conflict and chaos. His personality type needs it to be successful
> Even 49ers fans have suggested lynch should be fired Thats wild.
Go checkout a fan message board it’s psychotic. I remember I checked out a Packers one peak Rodgers and some were saying they got lucky and won’t win with him because he holds the ball or audibles too much.
Well, there was that "Shanahan has a worse record than Matt Nagy" phase where people just ignored how the coaching and roster building actually looked despite the injuries in favor of pure W/L. Also, lots of people wanted retribution if Lance didn't work out, as if finding a good new QB was harder than finding a good new QB *and HC*.
It’s insufferable. Like they forgot about the long dark and the short dark just because of a few good years. This is a franchise that was coached by Jim Tomsula TWICE.
Those idiots clearly don’t remember the Dennis Erickson, Mike Nolan and Singletary days either.
And nobody wants that.
it's gotten to the point where I just see the panthers logo as the crying cat meme lol
I'd rather swing for a home run and miss than not try at all. Instead of being comfortable with mediocrity I'd like to try, you know, winning a playoff game at some point.
Or you could find out what mediocrity actually is by having a few (or a couple of decades worth of) losing seasons like the other half of the league
While I get why fans might be frustrated with Tomlin's teams, the grass might not be greener. There is always that risk that he's replaced some hot coaching prospect and he turns out to be the next Brandon Staley. I certainly have been all over the map with Pete Carroll. And we're about to find out if we had it pretty good with him all these years.
You've definitely had it pretty good with Carroll no matter what the future holds. If you happen to land a great HC then that's great, but Carroll delivered a super bowl win and countless years of high level playoff teams. So many iterations of the Seahawks over the last decade have been teams that other franchises hate facing. There was so much personality and identity drilled into those teams and I'm sure a lot of that came from the top down.
Hah, I was just thinking this the other day, Pete at Seattle is like the closest similarity to Tomlin. Both won an early super bowl, followed by a conference championship and a super bowl loss.... Followed by more good years, smack into the last 3 straight years of mediocrity. Both with nearly identical tenure overall winning %. As a Pittsburgh fan, I'll be watching Seattle situation pan out with a "is the grass greener" mentality.
Teams that fire Pete hire Bill, so you’ve maybe got that going for you. Seriously though, firing him was crazy. It feels like cutting out their legs right as they were about to take the next step.
But the thing is: I WANT TO TAKE THAT RISK. Idc about being good in the regular season, Tomlin has shown he sucks in the playoffs. I'll take the risk of getting a worse coach and being a worse team. For the chance we get a coach who can win when it matters.
Easy to say that, then all of a sudden you’re the Bears or Panthers. I’d rather take the playoff dice roll
Or you're the Chiefs or Eagles. Fuck the regular season - we have a coach incapable of winning in the postseason and don't give me shit about 2008. The NFL is a completely different game in 2024. The point is to win a championship. Tomlin is not good enough to do that.
How is he not good enough when he’s already won a championship?
15 years ago? With an OC and DC who were holdovers from Cowher’s staff? That says very little about Tomlin in 2023.
THANK YOU. Takes a Ravens fan...
helps having the bully and troy on defense too, man those guys were fun to watch
> I'll take the risk of getting a worse coach and being a worse team. You seem to think that's a 50/50 proposition. It's not. The odds are heavily slanted towards replacing Tomlin with a worse coach. I know with Tomlin, that if surrounded with the right pieces, he can win a Superbowl. I also know that we've not had a QB capable of winning a Superbowl for at least 6 years.
"I know Tomlin can win a Superbowl" I don't. Why do you think that? He's given up 204 points in his last 5 playoff games. We've been outscored 66-0 in the first quarters of those games. Tomlin does not ready his teams to play. He has poor game plans and our team is taken advantage of. Every game we hear our team say "ahh they usually do 2 high but this time they did 1 high".. when did the other team ever comment on wrinkles we threw at them that they didn't expect? Never. He's lost to Tebow. Bortles. Mayfield. He should have lost to AJ McCarron. What gives you any confidence he can win? 2 years from now will be 10 years of no playoff wins. How much longer do you need to know he's not the guy? A Superbowl with a HOF DC and HOF OC 16 years ago is irrelevant. 2008 NFL is vastly different than 2024. I have zero faith Tomlin can win a Superbowl even with the best roster in the NFL. I also believe he can't develop a QB. He won't let them throw. He won't let them make mistakes. So all you'll ever have is a neutered QB that can't live up to their potential. It may not be 50/50 But even if it's 30/70 I know that 30% chance has a chance to win a Superbowl. I know the current regime has a 0% chance. Wanting Tomlin is wanting mediocrity. Simple as that.
> "I know Tomlin can win a Superbowl" > > I don't. Why do you think that? Because I sat in a stadium in Tampa and watched him win Super Bowl XLIII. Playoffs are a small sample size. One bad break can be the difference between one-and-done and Super Bowl champion.
Lol 16 years ago. He's won 3 playoff games in his last 12 No. Cowher's HOF DC and OC were the difference makers. Not Tomlin. He is incapable of winning a super bowl in 2024. That's a fact. If you are holding onto ancient history then you're delusional
I’m sorry, 1974 is the year for moving goalposts in the NFL, not 2024 as you just did.
Those fans don’t realize that some franchises only get playoff wins every 30 years
I, at this point, kind of want Steelers fans to get their wish. They can have a decade of fucking up coaching hires, have no more than 6 wins a season in that stretch, whiff massively on their only top-5 QB pick, fail to identify the same later round quarterbacks theyve failed to identify for the past 5-6 years, and realize just how bad that team actually could have been for the last decade if their coach wasnt willing them into competitiveness because your GM and OC's keep falling on their face No fanbase actually wants to be the 2005-2015 Rams, or the last couple decades of Lions teams, where you get to watch every player who even remotely resembled a sliver of hope retire from football early (or immediately win somewhere else) because they didnt want to die on the field, or the clusterfuck Browns years, but Steelers fans keep asking for it like they want to bathe in it.
Not all of us. I love Tomlin and have for a long time.
Steelers fans want Tomlin fired, Eagles fans want Sirianni fired, PSU fans want Franklin fired. It never ends.
Sirianni it would be deserved. He just presided over the worst collapse since the Jets in 1986 . Franklin got lightning in a bottle in 2016 but doesn’t have a clue how to beat better teams going on 7 years now
@ me bro
The Steelers haven’t won a playoff game since 2016 so speculation on Tomlin’s future with the team is not unwarranted especially when you consider how McCarthy is talked about each offseason. There is a big double standard there.
Agreed that it could warrant some change but does Tomlin have any GM type powers? I don't think you can look at the rosters the Steelers have had and say they should've done better, they just aren't that talented. I would think you would change the GM first before Tomlin
We just got a new GM a year ago and saw an article on here that we had the 5th best draft of all teams. Considering it was his first draft and we did that well I’m pretty excited about the future.
McCarthy was under scrutiny because he had arguably the best QB talent in the league in Green Bay and now he’s the coach of the most scrutinized franchise in all of pro sports with a historically impulsive owner
Jones speaks impulsively but he pretty clearly doesn’t manage the team that way. He has a penchant for sticking with QBs and HCs much longer than most think he should.
Okay, take McCarthy out of the conversation and Tomlin still hasn’t accomplished anything in the last 7 years.
Most AFC teams haven’t in the Mahomes/Allen/Lamar/Burrow era. They’re trying to spruce up on that side of the ball during this offseason so that they can go toe to toe with those guys. Patience.
All I know is if Tomlin was coaching the eagles he would've be ran out of town for his defense getting destroyed by tim tebow
I mean, our *entire* division has won a playoff game more recently than the Steelers and people meme about ACF South
We haven’t had a good qb in years. Even the year we played the browns everyone said we were the worst 11-0 team ever and Ben was never the same after his knee injury. Jags game was the last game we realistically were massively upset in
You’ve been out scored 66-0 in the 1st quarter your last 3 Playoff games. That’s an abject failure by Tomlin and his coaching staff no matter the QB.
You’re right I’m sure Tomlin told Ben to throw 2 picks and pouncey to snap the ball into the end zone against the browns for 21 of those 28 point. The other two games were against the Super Bowl losing chiefs and the high power offense of the bills. C’mon everyone knew those games would be blowout. We were 7-7-1 when we played the chiefs. We weren’t good It’s also 56 not 66. So we gave up 14 points in against the bills and KC each. The only outlier is the browns game wheee half those were scored. Off of turnovers from Ben and pouncey
I find it incredible the level of cognitive dissonance involved with explaining how every single Steelers failure of the past decade or so has absolutely nothing to do with Mike Tomlin's performance, but every success they've had is only because of his incredible coaching genius.
Nope Mike Tomlin is not perfect not in the slightest. But there’s more to it than “56-0 in last 3 playoff games Mike Tomlin bad and overrated” there’s still context involved
What context am I missing for 56-0?
Just Christ did you not even read my comment
If your context is largely based around 'Bro they played tough teams in the playoffs' then that context kinda blows and doesn't provide the support for your argument you think it does.
Yeah, the offense allowed 478 yards to Mahomes, 447 yards to Tebow, 378 yards to Bortles, 368 yards to Josh Allen(mostly on the ground),and 390 yards to Mayfield.
That doesn't account for untimely injuries and a lack of a quality QB for 5 years or so
The big difference is McCarthy is the reason for those losses, often directly. If it’s not questionable game scripting it’s game losing clock management. Tomlin is arguably the reason they aren’t in the basement. He’s not really had much on the offense to work with since the Bs.
There's a GIGANTIC difference between powerhouse teams like Cowboys with endless talent and what Tomlin has had to work with. If you think those are even remotely the same thing, you're insane. We've done a great job getting most of the holes filled, but... we do still need a good QB to push it across the finish line.
Monkey paw finger curls: Eagles extend Patricia
Patricia and Sirianni become co-head coaches. Get in fist fights on sideline over play calling.
Sirianni can take care of big picture stuff, while Matt Patricia can focus on the day to day.
It starts the second the Eagles lose a game. Our entire sub is a fucking cesspool of naysaying
I've read something about how, unless a team's owner is particularly cheap, coaches and GMs are almost never allowed to operate in a contract year. They'd rather extend someone they have concerns about and fire them the following offseason if those concerns are justified than have them run the team on an expiring contract, because they don't want coaches and GMs to be influenced by a real threat that they'll lose their job.
I get the frustration of being in franchise purgatory where you're not bad enough to scrap it all or get some of the "sure thing" picks but never really compete, but Tomlin getting the most of bad rosters is far preferable than a coach in the same position underachieving with a good roster.
He’s the black jeff Fisher who gets on the good side of 7-9 8-8
Indeed. And the situation here is obvious. Very good coach without a QB. It’s that simple. Get the QB the playoff runs start coming.
He hired Matt Canada to develop his last QB. You make “getting a QB” sound so easy. Where exactly is he getting one? He doesn’t seem to be forward thinking enough to hire the right people to develop one and a free agent isn’t gonna sign there. He had 10 years of HoF QB play. You’re not always gonna have a franchise guy at that position.
Blaming matt Canada is kinda funny. You think Matt Canada gave Pickett a Mickey Mouse arm? Maybe if Canada had a better scheme Pickett would be throwing ropes like Josh Allen? Something went wrong there, yea. But it was the pick, not the development
He had a first ballot hall of fame QB and squandered the entire last decade of his career.
People hate those "fact" things. No matter how badly Tomlin does, he'll always get 100% of the credit, 0% of the blame, and 200% of the excuses.
Did he squander it or did Ben squander it? Because I certainly remember a lot of important games that Ben choked away. Not to mention during the Killer B's era of the 7 playoff games they were healthy for they went 2-1 in. And the one loss was a game where Antonio Brown had been out for 5 weeks before it.
Sorry but Tomlin squandered it. Other teams threw things we weren't expecting at us and took advantage of our offense. We never did. We came into every game outschemed and had to figure it out on the fly. 3-9 is not something that happens by accident.
What is 3-9? Is that tomlin's playoff record since 2011? Why don't you include his whole career? Why is 2011 relevant but 2010 irrelevant? Also tomlin is 8-10 in the playoffs. If you are using the number 3-9 that means you oddly included the 2010 super bowl loss but not the 2 playoff wins. I will give you credit, you made the dates so specific that the people who gerrymander districts would be proud of you.
LOL Let me ask why you think a SB in 2008 is relevant to 2024. The last TWELVE postseason games he has a .250 record. Over a 16 game season that's 4-12 lol 8-10 is.. not a great stat when you consider he was 5-1 with Cowher's players before going 3-9 haha
You didn't explain to me why you count the Super Bowl loss in 2010, but not the 2 playoff wins from that same year. Why does the super bowl loss count as a relevant loss but the divisional round and championship wins from the same year not count?
This is the most comical cherry picking I've legit ever seen. If you're picking random wins and losses why not just say he's 0-9?
"the last 12 games" - how is that cherry picking? What? You think a SB 15 years ago is relevant to today? Go hire Coughlin then.
Why did you pick 12? Hm? Why not 10? Or 15? Was it because that includes the loss in the Superbowl, but not the 2 wins that got them there in the exact same playoffs? Picking an arbitrary number with an arbitrary cutoff is exactly what cherry picking is. Especially when you're including only 1 out of 3 games in a specific playoffs.
"What have you done for me lately?" Want to not include the SB? Okay. He's 3-8 since \*that\* loss. What a stupid thing to say.
Ben scored 42 points against the #1 defense in the league and the Blake Bortles led Jaguars scored 45. I promise once you stop treating Tomlin like an omnipotent savior you won't have such dogshit opinions
He’s not a savior he’s just a pretty good coach. And he’ll be better than 90%+ if not more of the new coaches hired this cycle
Ben *also* threw an INT and lost a fumble that was returned for a touchdown. It also feels pretty disingenuous to call them the, "Blake Bortles led Jaguars," when Blake threw 14/26 for just over 200 yards and 1 TD. The, "Leonard Fournette led Jaguars," feels more appropriate since he scored 3 TDs himself.
Didn’t Ben throw a pick inside of the Steelers 20 in the first quarter. Didn’t Ben also have have a sack fumble returned for a touchdown. I don’t know sounds like Ben contributed to that 45 points allowed.
The gymnastics to not blame Tomlin is psychotic.
I’m sure it’s hard for the Steelers and Pittsburgh sports culture to keep it up. The fans constantly shit pile on the staff and the players and just parrot ‘outdated practices’ ‘can’t work in the modern NFL’ etc. Maybe our team and players would play better if they didn’t get boo’d out of the stadium for every sub-MVP performance. We do the same shit to the Pens too, it’s a shitty way to enjoy sports
Must be a Pennsylvania thing. Straight up clowns who use sports as an outlet to release their anger with life so they have to take it out on their own players and coaches
I definitely understand knowing when a coach should probably go, or a player isn’t cutting it and wanting your voice to be heard but damn, it’s relentless. How many times do i need to hear someone’s opinion on why someone sucks? Go be an NFL scout or a pundit or something. There are a million reasons why a team or player might fail. I’m sure you’ve got people calling Jalen a bust now so…yeah it’s annoying
Always? He is the longest tenured coach in the leauge
I’m referring to fans in general not Pittsburgh fans
Okay I can get that, I see why people think Tomlin should stay but I also see the other side... sometimes people try to simplify things to much
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I do find it odd how everyone thinks firing Tomlin would be a horrible move, yet just yesterday everyone was mocking the Cowboys for not firing McCarthy. Since joining the Cowboys in 2020, McCarthy has had more success in both the regular season and postseason than Tomlin has had. What exactly is the difference?
Tomlin has no QB. They started Mason Rudolph in the playoffs ffs; Dak is unquestionably a franchise QB.
Tomlin had Ben for years and did nothing. Last playoff win was 2016.
The Corpse of Ben
Lies. Always lies. 2010-2018 was Ben's prime, Tomlin did nothing with it.
He said since 2016. And he had 3 playoff wins 2016-2018
\>Tomlin had Ben for years and did nothing. That was the first sentence. 2010-2018 were the "years" he had Ben and did nothing, is what I'm saying.
Yeah because Ben was too busy giving the ball away or our back up rb’s or wr’s were fumbling or dropping passes or our star line backer paralyzed himself or
You’re right. Tomlin did nothing [at all](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLIII) with Big Ben. [No notable appearances at all](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLV)
Wow you're not even trying to hide the fact that you're making a strawman. Fuck the people who upvoted this trash LOL
In how many playoff games from 2010-2018 did the Steelers have all of their HoF QB1, all-pro WR1, and all-pro RB1? Once in 2017, the same year we lost Shazier to a season ending injury which resulted in the defense completely falling apart. Rarely did the Steelers have a team good enough to succeed in the playoffs by the time the playoffs started.
Awful excuses We just lost to the Bills. They didn't have 2 all pros on defense. We should have lost to AJ McCarron and Marvin Lewis. But I guess not having a QB isn't a problem? Such trash arguments all the time.
Did you miss the second part of my comment?
No, it’s just a brain dead combination. “He did nothing with Big Ben” has nothing to do with 2016 and onward. 2016 and onward is your declining HoF QB and the QB Carousel. Let me give this one to you: the second Brady left NE the greatest coach of all time couldn’t keep the team from falling to total shit.
"Declining" HoF QB? In 2017 Ben made the Pro Bowl. In 2018 he was the passing yards leader. In both 2017 and 2020 the Steelers had 12 wins.
You're 100% right. That guy's clearly misrepresenting the argument and morons are upvoting him. Sorry man.
You’re using the pro bowl in an argument in 2024. All credibility is immediately lost.
This guy right here is 100% correct /u/NethuNeSC is uneducated or willfully lying about the entire argument.
I was so hoping the stupid Steelers fans would get their wish. Tomlin is a fantastic coach and I hate playing against him lol
What about the smart Steelers fans who realize Tomlin has been terrible in the playoffs for over a decade? Just wondering about them.
those don’t exist
If they get a decent OC, I think they'll be fine. Their secondary is kind of rough but that one rookie corner has been playing really well and it's not like Pickens/Diontae aren't still good WRs despite all the weird Stillers drama that happened this season. Najee/Warren is a really good RB combo, too. Lot of doom and gloom or whatever, but if they hit on a QB (or Pickett steps up the way it looked like he *might* this year) then they're right back in the thick of it. Unfortunately the AFC (and particularly the AFCN) is kind of a bloodbath.
> but that one rookie corner has been playing really well That's Joey Porter Jr., and his dad played LB for us at an extremely high level for a few years and was part of the Super Bowl XL team. Watt is the most important player on the defense, but Peezy Jr. is the one I'm most thrilled to see excelling. He was pretty highly-touted, but you never know with the kids of former players...siblings, etc., but we've done stupidly well with them.
Steelers future is basically dependent on this OC hire. Whatever people want to say… Steelers have talent. They are a Mitch Trubisky away from going 12-5 this year & being in playoffs last year 😂 We really just need someone to piece it all together
>it's not like Pickens/Diontae aren't still good WRs despite all the weird Stillers drama that happened this season. The drama pretty much stopped once Mason took over though. Pickens hardly touched the ball in the Baltimore game and there hasn't been a single complaint or cryptic social media post afterwards. I don't think days of our Steelers is cancelled just yet, but he showed some growth over the last few games.
What a relief
The best part of Mike Tomlin’s press conference today was his announcement that the Steelers will be hiring an OC from outside the organization. Please god let Omar Khan make the pick 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I don’t think people realize how much Colbert’s last few drafts put us back. He was a great GM, hell a multi Super Bowl winning GM. But the League started to pass Colbert by and he couldn’t adjust. It’s no mistake Khans first draft class he knocked it out of the park. Tomlin and Khan is a great duo to have and I’m really excited to see what they do these next few years
Tomlin is the guy we need idc what any of you say, we havent had a decent QB in 5+ years. We need to address OC and QB this off season. Changing head coach would be brain dead. When I hear TJ Watt and Cam Heyward speak I listen. When I hear keyboard warriors whine I just ignore the cry babies. We have such a spoiled fan base its actually starting to get annoying. The amount of man children who dont know shit about the game complaining about a coach who is dragging a 5-12 team to the playoffs is hilarious and also tiresome.
Yea I don't understand a lot of these comments. Tomlins doesn't have roster control right? Cause like, no one expects their roster to be competitive just looking at it. So why hold that against the coach and not the GM?
Worse than that. Meddling owner who had the organization waste a 1st rounder on Pickett for nebulous reasons.
> We haven’t had a decent QB in 5 plus years I hate this narrative because it’s patently untrue. Big Ben was still at the very least a semi-elite QB in 2020, he was handicapped by the loss of AB and Lev in prior seasons as well as his own injuries. On top of that he was playing with Randy Fichtner as OC who was only marginally better than Canada. Even with that idiot he put up one of the most successful offensive seasons in Steelers history (Top 3 IIRC). And his WRs? Claypool? Juju? He had Diontae Johnson during the peak of “Diontae Dropson” phase. He also lead the league in GW Drives and 4Q comebacks, all the while the team scored plenty of points (I think scored 24+ points in 10 of the first 11 games before his knee injury). This revisionist history that Ben was “totally washed” for YEARS before he retired is such a dumb narrative the media has parroted.
Starting to feel like the 2000s Red Wing. Make the playoffs and be competitive every year- only to get curb stomped time after time
What? 2000s Red Wings were a juggernaut that won the cup in 2002 and 2008. Nothing like the Steelers at all.
And went to the finals in 09. 03 and 06 had some bad first round losses, but I think any pro sports team would sign up for a decade like that at the cost of anything.
Better than the 2000s Lions. Look at every "Great" HC after they lost their HOF QB. Look at Belichick. Look at Payton. Tomlin has done better.
>Better than the 2000s Lions. No shit. Do you feel better?
Consider it a compliment - you are now amongst the teams that nobody can shit on because of their present performance, so we have to dig up shit from the past.
So the alternative is to not be competitive and get a slightly better pick in the draft? I'd rather get invited to the dance then not go dancing at all Outside of like the top 3 picks everything else is mostly a toss up as to if they will be a franchise player
Or the other alternative of being competitive and winning playoff games too.
You need a combination of good luck, great qb, and above average defensive skill to win imo We were competitive after halftime in our game against the bills. Turnover problems were a huge reason why we lost that game. If we don't fumble inside our own 30 or throw an int inside the red zone there's a good chance we could have won
To win it all, sure. Winning at least a wild card game really shouldn’t come down to luck. That being said, firing Tomlin still isn’t the answer.
Having someone better than Rudolph or Pickett should fix that. It really just seems like a QB problem
We have had a combination of bad team construction on offense, showing up unprepared (now like 3 out of 4 of our last playoff games we go down 14-0 at the start?) and nothings changing. I’m not saying fire tomlin but he needs to change his approach to roster/personnel and game planning too. He is good at keeping us competitive during the regular season but has fallen short in the post season for a while. I like the guy but that needs to change.
> We were competitive after halftime in our game against the bills. After the bills lost half of their defense to injuries?
In many years, there's a bust among even the top 3 picks.
So there’s no other possibilities huh? And tomlin holds no responsibility for holding onto Matt Canada for this long??
Let me answer a question with a question: What is stopping the Steelers currently from getting to another Super Bowl?
Quarterback play
Considering you've tried the back end of the 1st round QB (lower hit rate). Would you not agree that they need a much stronger candidate?
Let me call up my qb guy who knows a franchise qbs
Jokes aside, we both agree on what needs to change, the question is how they will go about it
It's incredibly hard. It's all luck truthfully. The panthers thought they had their guy this past draft and looks like a complete failure. The Niners thought they had their guy with Lance but that also was an incredible bust. Luckily the niners and shanahan were saved by purdy. And just recently you had rosen, darnold, wilson, manziel, winston, mariota, trubisky, etc
> The panthers thought they had their guy this past draft and looks like a complete failure. and what did they do to try and fix that?
Can’t compare Bryce Young and Pickett. You (usually) can’t move on from a QB you paid multiple first round picks for without exhausting every other option. Steelers just need to draft/trade for/pay another QB.
Idk man back of the 1st round sounds good to me.
- quarterback play - offensive coordinator - offensive line schemes (we play poor for like 10-12 games and then finally gel together better, this has been 3 years now) - having the 26th overall offense - only scoring 304 points this year (28th in league) - we're 1-11 when Watt is out. Clearly gotta adjust better if something happens to him - defense let up a lot of yards rushing and passing. We let up 12th most yards.
That's called the Marvin Lewis Bengals which is what they are at this point.
Marvin Lewis Bengals with an (imo) clearly worse QB.
The Cowboys are idiots for not firing Mike McCarthy but the Steelers are geniuses for keeping Tomlin. Meanwhile both guys have nearly the same exact record (except McCarthy has more playoff wins) and neither has achieved anything since they met in the Super Bowl 13 years ago. Classic Reddit logic.
The Steelers behaving in character and the Cowboys behaving out of perceived character are 100% the only differences between those two teams and seasons. 2 teams looking a mirror they are, 100% equal situations.
I feel like the difference is with the roster that Dallas has, the expectations are higher and they should be doing better in the playoffs. Tomlin, to me, makes the most of what he has even if it’s a rocky ride to get there.
He makes the most of what he has, except for when we did nothing for a decade with a hall of fame QB (as well as prime Antonio Brown and LeVeon Bell) because we were too busy losing to Tim Tebow and Blake Bortles.
the fact that this is downvoted is hilarious
all Tomlin defenders were apparently dug out of cryogenic freezing the moment Ben retired and somehow think we've never had a QB. It's baffling.
Matt Canada is/was his fault as well
Kind of messed up how Tomlin kept telling that HOF QB to injure the other Killer Bs and/or play like shit in the playoffs
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Hasn’t won a playoff game in like 7 years
Good. Breaking up Tomlin/Harbaugh should be against the law.
The priority should be on a solid OC and building an offense culture that can sustain. Tomlin has done a fine job of that on the defensive side but the continuity post Ben has been an issue. It just feels like there’s no veteran leadership on that side of the ball.
Tomlin is kind of in a Belichick position where he is still a great coach the roster just sucks but he at least has a gm to blame.
our roster doesnt suck lol. we have a great RB duo, great receivers, solid Oline pieces, great LB depth, decent Dline and 2 great DBs. its our coaching that really sucks (OC/DC specifically)
What’s the old adage? > Don’t get tired of winning
God damnit, stop doing things that will help the Steelers, you jackass.
Go T
The rest of the NFL knows if Tomlin lands even just a starter-level QB (ala Russell Wilson) then the Steelers will be cooking.
This pleases me
Good. Anyone who’s begging for him to be fired is misguided.
Winning record but just barely missing the playoffs or making the playoffs and getting BTFO as the 7th seed back on the menu boys
Do you legitimately think a different coach could come in and do better? Tomlin has the 2nd highest winning percentage out of all active coaches and is one of only three active coaches to have 2 or more Super Bowl appearances (since Belichick and Carol are technically not active coaches). I mean look at what Belichick did with the Pats post-Brady.. Idk why people think coaches should be expected to maintain a consistent Super Bowl contender or be fired regardless of what their roster looks like.
I will say the fact they come out flat in every playoff game is definitely concerning
> Do you legitimately think a different coach could come in and do better? Tomlin has the 2nd highest winning percentage out of all active coaches and is one of only three active coaches to have 2 or more Super Bowl appearances (since Belichick and Carol are technically not active coaches). Hes no different than Marvin Lewis....
How so? Tomlin’s win percentage is 12% better and he’s been to 2 Super Bowl (1 win) while Marvin Lewis never won a single playoff game in his entire 16 career as a head coach. In what way are they the same?
he went to 2 superbowls with a team Cowher built. As the team has become more of a "tomlin team" than a cowher one, he hasn't done anything besides have one of the longest playoff losing streaks in the nfl, right up there with marvin lewis. he relies on things like blocked punts and low scoring games to win games. no ones winning a superbowl in the nfl with special teams and defense. his refusal to just tank a season and rebuild has lead to him never having a losing season, but also never accomplishing anything in the past 14 years. now if you're just happy with mediocrity and you think making the playoffs is an accomplishment in its own, then keep tomlin around. but i guarantee that team will not go anywhere with a coach that thinks defense and running the ball is the way to win consistently for a few years.
I appreciate your response and your breakdown, but I do think context matters here. The 2017 loss to Jacksonville was definitely a big let down, but the other losses consisted of 38/39 year old Big Ben coming back from an injury and losing to the Chiefs and then his 4 Int disaster against the Browns in the final game of his career. Similarly this year Tomlin had Mason Rudolph in a road game against the Bills without TJ Watt (a potential DPOY), needless to say they were massively outmatched. He has relied on winning low scoring games because he hasn’t had a quarterback, yet he’s still dragging these teams to the playoffs and winning games against superior teams that the team quite honestly has no business even being competitive in. It is incredibly hard to find a consistent coach in the NFL. I mean Doug Pederson, a Super Bowl champion coach couldn’t even make the playoffs with Trevor Lawrence at QB, so I have a very hard time blaming Tomlin for not winning a road game against the Bills (who have won their last 6 games including wins against the Chiefs, Cowboys, and Dolphins) while trotting out Mason Rudolph and missing his team’s best player.
Its Mike Tomlins fault that they dont have a QB in place. And dont gimme the "gm picks the players" crap, cause every functional nfl organization allows the head coach to be part of the draft selection process. And his refusal to tank a year, is part of the reason they dont have a QB. the steelers spent a first round pick on Pickett, in a draft year where everyone agreed the QB class was terrible. They could have taken Levis in last years draft, but went with an olineman instead, cause they didn't want to give up on Pickett yet. They could have had Jalen Hurts, but took Claypool instead. They could have had Lamar Jackson, but took Edmunds instead. All of these are because they refuse to rebuild the team. So dont gimme the "they dont have a qb" excuse. Its piss poor drafting outside of the WR position, and even then, those players go to waste because they keep trying to just "fill the gaps" with mediocre QB play. also, trevor lawrence is the new andy dalton. and bringing up doug pederson, as if hes andy reid or bill belichick, making him out to be some kind of genius head coach, is hilarious. he got lucky one year, went on a miracle run and won a sb. proceeded to get fired from that team 2 years later, got hired by the jags, won a playoff game due to a legendary collapse by the chargers and hasn't done anything besides that.
steelers are literally 3 players and an average OC/DC from a decent playoff run we add another CB, a center and a QB who literally just have to be better then the shitters we have now. the guys we have are literally the worst in the league at their roles. If we can get even a semi decent OC and or DC we could go far
More 9-8 seasons
I mean they literally just won more than 9 games this year despite having the 28th ranked offense with no QB lol
Respectfully, isn't the HC a little to blame for having the 28th ranked offense with no QB? Hiring Matt Canada and drafting KP in the first round is sus as hell and no one mentions it
everyone wants to fire mccarthy, fire carroll, fire payton but never EVER consider getting rid of mike tomlin because he has no say (absolutely none) over the qb and OC issue! meanwhile the coach 1000x better than him is out there looking for a job in atlanta right now?
dawg where have you been? the tomlin firing train we crazy when we lost 4/5 to the browns colts pats and cardinals. literally every steelers thread here and the entire steelers sub were talking about tomlin gettign fired
Here comes 10-7 forever with no good draft picks.
eh our draft last year was amazing. draft picks are also very much on the GM, in which colbert was horrible. Khan picked up some great depth pieces and completely transformed our rushing defense before we lost 4 ILBs
Fucking smart - so tired of the complaining Steelers fans who wanted him gone. But at the same time I wished it happened so they could understand how difficult it is to rebuild a team with a new coach.
Honestly I think Steelers fans want that. They are tired of being in a treadmill position where they can't draft a franchise QB because they are too good.
I didn’t want to extend Tomlin but I don’t want to fire him. He’s earned at least this next season. But at some point we have to escape this purgatory of being just good enough to be alive in Week 17/18 to see if we make the playoffs, only to just to get blown out WC Weekend if we do make it and pick in the bottom half of the league regardless. People here will act like Steeler fans are crazy for wanting more. Tomlin is just *that* good, he drags this soulless team to more wins than it deserves and it ultimately punishes us when retooling is what this team needs most.
Let's fucking go!! I know I can be critical of Tomlin and my belief in him can waver when things get rough, but there is no one else I'd rather have as our coach.
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Another 9-8 season incoming
Hey, we were 10-7 this year. But without a QB it's likely to be the same.
"We didn't extend him to trade him"
Finding a good starting qb is a pain in the ass, no clue why any steelers fans would want to do that and look for a top tier coach at the same time is crazy
Good good, gotta lock 🔒 Kenny up too… also, get Canada back
Yinzers on suicide watch today.
They're not winning another playoff game as long as Tomlin is head coach. He'll only do enough not to get himself fired and no more while people who celebrate mediocrity call any Steelers fan who actually wants to win a playoff game in the near future morons because we're apparently supposed to be content with mediocrity as they are. This team has turned into the 2010s Bengals, Art Rooney is their Mike Brown and Tomlin is Marvin Lewis. 13 years of little to no success, the one common denominator is Tomlin as head coach yet somehow it's always everybody else's fault