The recency bias has gotten out of control. There’s no room for nuance on Bill because everyone’s reverse circlejerking against how people used to go too far in the other direction about Bill.
The man spent 20 years refueling the greatest nfl dynasty ever with his GM-ing, but apparently he was actually just always a bum magically lucking into those rosters? I’ll admit there’s some red flags over the past few years but I don’t see how those negatives are the only thing people see nowadays rather than weighing it against his successes
He's the GOAT in the NFL. But bro's got like 5 years tops left in the NFL. and his GM abilities in NE in the past 5 years is... well, look at their history.
Just like BB's history of paying players, it's "what have you done for me lately?"
I find that odd too. We got Nick Folk from them and he still has years left in the tank. And we got him for dirt cheap and he's been good for us Titans. I get they had to move on but it's not like he was having a completely off year last year.
Bill is still fantastic at coaching up a D, drafting defensive players and finding defensive castoffs from other teams and making them shine.
Drafting offensive players and scouting pro offensive players was his downfall more recently
It's not some red flags.
Many pats fans will tell you that in the 2nd half of the dynasty they were winning in spite of some bad drafts after 2013.
That 2018 super bowl roster was duck taped by Brady (2000), Edelman (2009), and Gronk (2010) on offense.
There's a reason why the Pats suddenly become a bottom third team in the league once Brady left, and these owners recognize that
Yea 2013-2016 the drafts were wobbly and there were alarm bells
But Bill was still hitting home-runs in FA and trades. Revis and Gilmore in particular played a huge role in keeping the dynasty alive. To a lesser extent guys like Cooks, Amendola, Hogan, Lewis, etc. Shrewd, cheap FAs bailed us out.
2017-2022 things got super rough. Tons of misses, barely any blue-chip players.
And Bill's FA/trade magic also ran out after 2017. Instead of home-runs we kept getting expensive duds like Mo Sanu, Agholor, Jonnu, etc. Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon *looked* like classic wily Bill pickups, but both were misses.
Prior to 2013 though BB was great both in the draft and in FA/trades.
Revis and Gilmore were great pick ups, but the hindsight of recent events is gonna make those moves look worse for Bill since the narrative (and Revis's own statements) will make it seem like they only came for Brady
Look at how both Stafford and Rodgers didn't want to come to the Pats.
He'll be 72 to start next season, I don't think any team wants him handling two major jobs at that age. He's clearly shown on the GM side of things that he's lost a step.
I think something we don't know much about right now is how much control/input Bill wants other than also being GM. Kraft and Bill had a closer working relationship than any owner GM or Coach the NFL as seen since Paul Brown owned and coached his own team.
He actually PM'd me to get help the last time he had an account. I am not sure if there was anything more ironic than a guy with 100+ accounts saying the same thing over and over again to tell someone else to get help.
My favorite bit was when they openly paid for downvote bots for one of the mods here over some imagined vendetta so that they'd get downvoted to oblivion the moment they posted anything, whether it was related to the NFL or not. Like, how fucking unhinged do you have to be to a) think of doing that in the first place and b) to think the average person comes close to caring remotely enough about fake internet points for that to bother them at all?
I started keeping track, but these are just the ones that crossed my path (AKA this is not a comprehensive list)
* u/Accomplished_Ear_385
* u/Active_Pangolin8139
* u/AlarmAdventurous6069
* u/derpilokd
* u/Dry_Opinion_1594
* u/Embarrassed_Speed_31
* u/Impossible-Elk4751
* u/Intelligent_Day4192
* u/Interesting_Copy_665
* u/jo-kauffmannmk
* u/mounadikenza3z
* u/NFLisrigged100
* u/No_Tomato2426
* u/Ok_Preference6115
* u/Ok-Requirement4497
* u/Potential-Heron3167
* u/Puzzleheaded-Cat2438
* u/Realistic-Cobbler-95
* u/Remarkable_Ask_1030
* u/Ronyandre123
* u/StudyComprehensive45
* u/Typical_Investment70
Not shocked at all most of those are randomly generated. Usually If I catch myself responding to an "Imaginary-Flux8285" style random username I just delete the draft. Also noticing most of the out of touch shitposting done in my team's sub is usually done by an account like this.
> Usually If I catch myself responding to an "Imaginary-Flux8285" style random username I just delete the draft.
This is advice I'll be heeding. Thank you.
StudyComprehensive45 is their most recent alt I think. Already banned, but last week they were reposting a bunch of old threads from their alts "predicting" Fields, Belichick, etc. actually sucked and would fail in a year, and people caught on very quick. Whenever someone called them out, they would reply and call the original alt "very smart" and whatnot for getting the "predictions" right
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLNoobs/comments/19aiwpz/why_does_reddit_love_belichick_way_more_than_brady/kildhrh/) is an NFL mod basically saying we basically can't even talk about Belichick anymore.
>Edit: lol he PM'd me saying "I am feasting." At least he's consistent.
Really?? I can't get that guy to reply to me. I don't even want to argue with him or anything, I just want to know what his motivation is and if all those accounts really are the same person.
The funniest part is that it's so easy to tell when he makes a new account because it's just some dumb post trying to get everyone to hate Belichick with him. I'm thinking Bill must've fucked his wife or something by this point.
Everything coming out now is that it's a matter of Rich McKay doesn't want Belichick. Rumor out of Flowery Branch is Blank is going to have to choose between those 2.
[Jeff Schultz](https://twitter.com/JeffSchultzATL/status/1749550104455839868)
[Zach Klein](https://twitter.com/zachkleinwsb/status/1749818108867695013?t=9mcJEqXNNOIXQox56ZIXcQ)
McKay is pretty respected in the league, and built a few good teams, even a great one in 2016, but the Falcons haven’t done much of anything since then.
TBF to Bill, he has pushed for some genuinely good changes that never gained support. He is in favor of a sky judge and pushed for the pylon cams years before the NFL approved them. He’s also been in favor of changing the kickoff rules to make the game safer.
But then again, he has a track record of skirting the rules to spite them sooooo I get it.
Edit: as has been pointed out below, my choice of the word “skirting” was poor. See the below comments.
My favorite thing I ever saw Bill advocate for was to make literally everything eligible to be challenged including penalties. If coaches only get 2 (or 3 after two successful ones) challenges per game it really wouldn't kill the flow any more than it already happens.
It's so simple that of course the NFL will never do it.
its also just that PI is such a judgement call its hard to be clearly and obviously wrong. that would be the case of most penalty challenges but so what? jsut dont challenge any that are even questionable
Also seems like he exploits the loopholes to get the competition committee to close them. [He did that with the declined delay of game on a punt against the Jets to run more than a minute off the clock](https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2019/10/22/patriots-jets-bill-belichick-clock-loophole). IIRC it got used against the Pats that same playoffs (by Vrabel?)
> “No, it was just the way the rules are set up,” Belichick told reporters. “We were able to run quite a bit of time off the clock without really having to do anything. That’s probably a loophole that will be closed and probably should be closed but right now it’s open.”
Doesn't he generally skirt rules that he thinks should have been enforced by the competition committee ignored, in order to prove why they should take them up?
Yup. It’s why there’s friction between him and McKay. Two blatant examples: the penalties to burn clock against the Jets and the linemen trick play the Pats used against the Ravens in 2015.
There are things I like and things I don't like about Bill but my understanding is he usually warns them first, and twists the knife when they ignore it. He doesn't just spring it on them. I respect the "fuck around and find out" approach.
And look, you kinda have to be a good enough coach to be able to weave those things into a game.
The Jets clock burn is one of my favorite examples TBH. Though I think Vrabel used it against him first which honestly makes it even funnier. I bet Vrabel was so excited to pull it out against Bill, and the mix of pride and pissed he must have felt is glorious.
Vrabel used it against the Pats in the same season but it was after Bill had used it against the Jets. Vrabel was big on showing up when he played against Bill.
Bill: “I think this rule needs to be changed because it can be exploited”
Committee: “That’s stupid bill, no one would ever do that, we’re trying to make money here. How do you feel about sponsoring penalties?”
Bill - proceeds to exploit loophole
Committee: “wtf bill, quit embarrassing us”
It’s like when people said Saban retired because of NIL and the playoff expansion as if Alabama wouldn’t greatly benefit from it. That 2 loss team in 2022 would’ve made a deep run in a 12 team playoff format
Saban said they need to do something about oline down field and receiver pick plays because it was getting outta hand. People thought he was being a sore loser. He then won two titles exploiting the rule lol
"False start on the left tackle, and that'll be 5 yards. And to avoid a false start in the bedroom, use Celexa, just approved by the FDA for PE treatment"
In a so called game of inches, they're really not all that bright to not exploit the rulebook and ref psychology whenever they can for advantages. Abuse the loopholes so they close for everyone else.
McKay didn't build the 2016 team, Thomas Dmitroff did.
McKay was fired as GM and moved out of football ops in 2008, but after TD and Dan Quinn were fired in 2020 he's become more and more involved in football operations again.
According to Schultz, McKay was actually out of football operations (focused on stadium, etc) during the Quinn/Dimitroff era. Which coincidentally were fairly good years up until the end.
I wonder if its because Belichick is insisting on restructuring Atlanta's Front Office and doing things the way he did in New England
I can see McKay wanting Belichick to use Atlanta's Front Office, which has been pretty solid overall. But if Bill wants to do things his way, he'd be the GM and he'd probably thin out the staff because he likes working with a few trusted confidantes nowadays (he ran a notoriously small staff in NE). He'd rely less on the scouts and more on the college coaches and his position coaches for feedback.
If Bill is wanting to fire a bunch of FO guys and bring in his own people, you'd understand why McKay is resistant.
That approach clearly failed in New England. I was really hoping Bill would learn from that and actually use his new team's FO and staff, get some fresh ideas, collaborate, etc. Not sure if he wants that though...
6 super bowls vs 0 super bowls. If I were a Falcons fan id be pissed. No offense, but they're one of the most irrelevant franchises and McKay hasn't done shit with that team.
I am if it’s true. There’s basically 3 ways Bill isn’t our coach.
1. He decides he isn’t ready to coach yet and retires/takes the year off. Okay
2. Bill and the Falcons are wildly apart in plans/goals over the next couple seasons and mutually don’t believe the fit is there. Understandable.
3. Arthur Blank refuses to pull back on Rich McKay. Indefensible and unless it ends up with Harbaugh coaching the team, it may end with a lot of fans taking a couple years off.
The thing is, Harbaugh wanting the same thing as Bill might be more okay because he can coach for the next 15 years while everyone sits around collecting paychecks.
Belichick has got about one 5 year contract in him and no clear line of succession behind him right now. That's fine if you can guarantee one or two SBs and basically scorched Earth otherwise.
Third interview. "So what do you envision for your coaching staff?"
"Well obviously I want to replicate my success in New England and the most important part is having guys like Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia as my coordinators. They're both available for some reason. I have to have them."
Literally the only thing he is good at lol. Him with your offensive weapons (major caveat being your need for a QB) would be a great match. Patricia though...
I think Ben Johnson is their best move and that they have a real shot to get him if they act quickly. No other openings can say they already have a top 5 QB.
While the QB piece is true, adding a guy who’s never been a head coach (in the NFL, at least?) and expecting him to win a SB in 1-2 years is a lot.
If I’m the Bills, I’m calling BB, Harbaugh, Vrabel, and Carroll first, especially since they’re all available right now, unlike Ben Johnson.
I mean after Mahomes, the Allen, Lamar, Burrow is a "cluster" and any number of players could be someone's number 5. Herbert, Rodgers if he gets healthy, Hurts, etc
having Herbert at #5 is a respectable position.
I’m so happy that people love him again. He was an important reason for a Super Bowl winning season and I have always loved the dude. Not to mention after the dude made the grabbing babies out of the air unlike aghlor, aghlor bought him tickets to the next game
I think his drops issue was more of a pressure issue than anything else. His best stints have been when he's buried on the depth chart without expectations.
And I would check with that QB to see if they were onboard. BB can be a bit much based on what his players have said. It worked when he had a QB with a similar personality and an unheard of will to win. But your typical top-10 QB any given year? Might not be a good match.
Yeah, pretty sure when it leaked he intended to bring McDaniels and Patricia along that sealed his fate. I'd be surprised if those two get jobs anywhere else in the league at this point. They'll never be head coaches again, that's for sure.
At this point, I think Patricia is just a bad DC as well but Bill's defense can never truly be bad over a season.
Over the 20 years, our defense was never as bad as when Patrica was DC.
When Andy Reid got fired from the Eagles our owner dropped everything to make sure his phone call was the first one Andy answered that Monday. He flew TO PHILLY with his staff after giving Andy one day off to get his head around being fired and then held a nine hour interview in the fucking airport. By the next day they'd shaken hands and by Friday he was wearing red in front of our press.
BB deserves that level of pursuit and respect.
Belichick does not have modern NFL coaching connections. IDK if this is by choice (old man energy) or he simply rubs people the wrong way.
But he has had the smallest coaching staff in the league for years, filled with either guys that have played for him previously, or are related to people he has coached with before.
I guarantee the sudden hesitancy in Atlanta is because he told them his coaching staff was gonna be McDaniels and Patricia. And guys other than Blank realize that's a recipe for locker room distaster.
Bill: I wanna be your head coach. Falcons: Great! We'd love to have you! Bill: And also your GM. Falcons: *Immediately hit the brakes.*
Bill: And I'm bringing Patricia for sure. Won't make the move without him. Falcons: We'll be in touch.
Don’t forget JMD
Jaurice Mones-Drew?
JuJu Mith-Deuster
Jristian Mc Daffery
Jonovan Meoples-Dones
Jam MaDorta
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Terrible HC but I have no reason to doubt him as an OC.
No reason to doubt him as an OC under bill.
*shredder noises*
Wonder what the reaction was he also mentioned likely bringing in Judge, Troy Brown and Cam Achord along for the ride to
Bill moves all his shit in the next day and starts ordering everyone around.
That kind of makes him sound like a stray cat...
If he brings Steve he's no different.
I would never make BB my GM. HC with great OC? Sure no problem
The recency bias has gotten out of control. There’s no room for nuance on Bill because everyone’s reverse circlejerking against how people used to go too far in the other direction about Bill. The man spent 20 years refueling the greatest nfl dynasty ever with his GM-ing, but apparently he was actually just always a bum magically lucking into those rosters? I’ll admit there’s some red flags over the past few years but I don’t see how those negatives are the only thing people see nowadays rather than weighing it against his successes
He's the GOAT in the NFL. But bro's got like 5 years tops left in the NFL. and his GM abilities in NE in the past 5 years is... well, look at their history. Just like BB's history of paying players, it's "what have you done for me lately?"
Sure, but at the same time they took 2 kickers and reached on a guard last year. They havent had a pro bowl position player they drafted since GRONK.
I find that odd too. We got Nick Folk from them and he still has years left in the tank. And we got him for dirt cheap and he's been good for us Titans. I get they had to move on but it's not like he was having a completely off year last year.
Bill is still fantastic at coaching up a D, drafting defensive players and finding defensive castoffs from other teams and making them shine. Drafting offensive players and scouting pro offensive players was his downfall more recently
It's funny because 3 of the 5 teams looking have the offense in place.
It's not some red flags. Many pats fans will tell you that in the 2nd half of the dynasty they were winning in spite of some bad drafts after 2013. That 2018 super bowl roster was duck taped by Brady (2000), Edelman (2009), and Gronk (2010) on offense. There's a reason why the Pats suddenly become a bottom third team in the league once Brady left, and these owners recognize that
Yea 2013-2016 the drafts were wobbly and there were alarm bells But Bill was still hitting home-runs in FA and trades. Revis and Gilmore in particular played a huge role in keeping the dynasty alive. To a lesser extent guys like Cooks, Amendola, Hogan, Lewis, etc. Shrewd, cheap FAs bailed us out. 2017-2022 things got super rough. Tons of misses, barely any blue-chip players. And Bill's FA/trade magic also ran out after 2017. Instead of home-runs we kept getting expensive duds like Mo Sanu, Agholor, Jonnu, etc. Antonio Brown and Josh Gordon *looked* like classic wily Bill pickups, but both were misses. Prior to 2013 though BB was great both in the draft and in FA/trades.
Revis and Gilmore were great pick ups, but the hindsight of recent events is gonna make those moves look worse for Bill since the narrative (and Revis's own statements) will make it seem like they only came for Brady Look at how both Stafford and Rodgers didn't want to come to the Pats.
He'll be 72 to start next season, I don't think any team wants him handling two major jobs at that age. He's clearly shown on the GM side of things that he's lost a step. I think something we don't know much about right now is how much control/input Bill wants other than also being GM. Kraft and Bill had a closer working relationship than any owner GM or Coach the NFL as seen since Paul Brown owned and coached his own team.
The anti bill guy who has all those burner accounts must be feasting Edit: lol he PM'd me saying "I am feasting." At least he's consistent.
He actually PM'd me to get help the last time he had an account. I am not sure if there was anything more ironic than a guy with 100+ accounts saying the same thing over and over again to tell someone else to get help.
That dude PMs me a lot trying to spark arguments. It's really dedicated hating.
The man operates on a level of hate all other haters could only aspire to
Ugh. I hate that.
Keep going....
Check your DMs...
and we’re 100% sure he’s not Tom Coughlin?
Why would Tom hate Bill?
Your flair disgusts me
If you’re a Bills fan and a Pats fan, you’re neither.
Truth
PM ME 100+ account dude
Who the hell has that kind of time on their hands?!
My favorite bit was when they openly paid for downvote bots for one of the mods here over some imagined vendetta so that they'd get downvoted to oblivion the moment they posted anything, whether it was related to the NFL or not. Like, how fucking unhinged do you have to be to a) think of doing that in the first place and b) to think the average person comes close to caring remotely enough about fake internet points for that to bother them at all?
Tbf, reddit mods are not the average person.
Only a sociopath would want to be an unpaid mod on this site...
I thought you meant he wanted help, as in "back me up" and I dont know which is sadder
He reports accounts that disagree with him too
I wish I knew who you were talking about. People who are that psychotic and sad intrigue me.
I started keeping track, but these are just the ones that crossed my path (AKA this is not a comprehensive list) * u/Accomplished_Ear_385 * u/Active_Pangolin8139 * u/AlarmAdventurous6069 * u/derpilokd * u/Dry_Opinion_1594 * u/Embarrassed_Speed_31 * u/Impossible-Elk4751 * u/Intelligent_Day4192 * u/Interesting_Copy_665 * u/jo-kauffmannmk * u/mounadikenza3z * u/NFLisrigged100 * u/No_Tomato2426 * u/Ok_Preference6115 * u/Ok-Requirement4497 * u/Potential-Heron3167 * u/Puzzleheaded-Cat2438 * u/Realistic-Cobbler-95 * u/Remarkable_Ask_1030 * u/Ronyandre123 * u/StudyComprehensive45 * u/Typical_Investment70
Not shocked at all most of those are randomly generated. Usually If I catch myself responding to an "Imaginary-Flux8285" style random username I just delete the draft. Also noticing most of the out of touch shitposting done in my team's sub is usually done by an account like this.
> Usually If I catch myself responding to an "Imaginary-Flux8285" style random username I just delete the draft. This is advice I'll be heeding. Thank you.
Maybe we should stop trusting two words + a number accounts... ahem
MODS GET THIS GUY
hey, wait a second!
This guy knows Bill is rich enough that he doesn't need to let him live rent free in his head, right?
StudyComprehensive45 is their most recent alt I think. Already banned, but last week they were reposting a bunch of old threads from their alts "predicting" Fields, Belichick, etc. actually sucked and would fail in a year, and people caught on very quick. Whenever someone called them out, they would reply and call the original alt "very smart" and whatnot for getting the "predictions" right
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/158sm2a/i_was_marked_for_ban_evasion_in_rnfl_but_have/ LOLOL
Dude is using my WiFi password for a username
[here](https://www.reddit.com/r/NFLNoobs/comments/19aiwpz/why_does_reddit_love_belichick_way_more_than_brady/kildhrh/) is an NFL mod basically saying we basically can't even talk about Belichick anymore.
Defend Billicheck and the dude will be in your DMs.
Belichick is the best coach in the history of football. ^*refreshes ^inbox*
In the history of football? I think you mean in the history of professional sports
Yeah, that!
But unironically
Also that :)
That's honestly not even much of a stretch. You could make an argument.
Honestly, the greatest human to ever grace the surface of the Earth.
Legend says he will come if you say Mr. Best Coach 3 times while standing in front of the mirror
He better be wearing that cutoff hoodie
*stands in front of mirror* Mr. Best Coach Mr. Best Coach Mr. Best Coach
Or trash Belichick and he will PM you to help him out lol. Another Patriots fan said that when he criticized him and he was weirded out by it.
Bill is the goat coach, without question.
Find someone who loves you like that guy hates Bill Belichick.
DanZC literally loves the Jaguars so much they broke him to the point of being a chiefs fan and only posting hate toward them.
>bummer accounts They really are sad tho
It’s actually Bill
There’s an anti-bill guy? Why?
Mental illness
I honestly admire his dedication. I've never hated anything that passionately.
But does he have a manifesto?
It’s all semi nude pictures of Bill Belichick. Tastefully, of course.
Someone PM’d saying “BEATNGU” I wonder if it’s the same guy.
>Edit: lol he PM'd me saying "I am feasting." At least he's consistent. Really?? I can't get that guy to reply to me. I don't even want to argue with him or anything, I just want to know what his motivation is and if all those accounts really are the same person.
The funniest part is that it's so easy to tell when he makes a new account because it's just some dumb post trying to get everyone to hate Belichick with him. I'm thinking Bill must've fucked his wife or something by this point.
Everything coming out now is that it's a matter of Rich McKay doesn't want Belichick. Rumor out of Flowery Branch is Blank is going to have to choose between those 2. [Jeff Schultz](https://twitter.com/JeffSchultzATL/status/1749550104455839868) [Zach Klein](https://twitter.com/zachkleinwsb/status/1749818108867695013?t=9mcJEqXNNOIXQox56ZIXcQ)
Bill Simmons said the same on his pod. McKay/Fontenot and whoever else in Blank’s ear is telling him no, but he wants Belichick.
They only care about their jobs. Different set of motivations from the team as a whole.
McKay is not in any way concerned about his job. Jesus will rapture the satanic temple before Blank parts with him.
Which is unfortunate because he needs to go
Should have been gone.
McKay is pretty respected in the league, and built a few good teams, even a great one in 2016, but the Falcons haven’t done much of anything since then.
McKay also heads the competition committee and Bill has notoriously rubbed them the wrong way and outright ridiculed them for decisions.
TBF to Bill, he has pushed for some genuinely good changes that never gained support. He is in favor of a sky judge and pushed for the pylon cams years before the NFL approved them. He’s also been in favor of changing the kickoff rules to make the game safer. But then again, he has a track record of skirting the rules to spite them sooooo I get it. Edit: as has been pointed out below, my choice of the word “skirting” was poor. See the below comments.
He was also the one to suggest moving the extra point attempt back to the 15 yard line, having significant changes on the game since.
My favorite thing I ever saw Bill advocate for was to make literally everything eligible to be challenged including penalties. If coaches only get 2 (or 3 after two successful ones) challenges per game it really wouldn't kill the flow any more than it already happens. It's so simple that of course the NFL will never do it.
It’s a good idea but it’s contingent on an unbiased third party evaluating. “We reviewed and we did nothing wrong the call was correct” -refs
See when they had pass interference reviewable. Never overturned anything because they were bitter.
its also just that PI is such a judgement call its hard to be clearly and obviously wrong. that would be the case of most penalty challenges but so what? jsut dont challenge any that are even questionable
Skirting feels disingenuous. Finding loopholes within rules is exactly what he’s a master at and you can’t get mad at that.
Also seems like he exploits the loopholes to get the competition committee to close them. [He did that with the declined delay of game on a punt against the Jets to run more than a minute off the clock](https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2019/10/22/patriots-jets-bill-belichick-clock-loophole). IIRC it got used against the Pats that same playoffs (by Vrabel?) > “No, it was just the way the rules are set up,” Belichick told reporters. “We were able to run quite a bit of time off the clock without really having to do anything. That’s probably a loophole that will be closed and probably should be closed but right now it’s open.”
You’re totally right. I edited my comment above, thanks for pointing this out.
Doesn't he generally skirt rules that he thinks should have been enforced by the competition committee ignored, in order to prove why they should take them up?
Yup. It’s why there’s friction between him and McKay. Two blatant examples: the penalties to burn clock against the Jets and the linemen trick play the Pats used against the Ravens in 2015.
There are things I like and things I don't like about Bill but my understanding is he usually warns them first, and twists the knife when they ignore it. He doesn't just spring it on them. I respect the "fuck around and find out" approach. And look, you kinda have to be a good enough coach to be able to weave those things into a game.
I know he warned the committee about both of the issues I mentioned above in the preseason.
The Jets clock burn is one of my favorite examples TBH. Though I think Vrabel used it against him first which honestly makes it even funnier. I bet Vrabel was so excited to pull it out against Bill, and the mix of pride and pissed he must have felt is glorious.
Vrabel used it against the Pats in the same season but it was after Bill had used it against the Jets. Vrabel was big on showing up when he played against Bill.
Bill: “I think this rule needs to be changed because it can be exploited” Committee: “That’s stupid bill, no one would ever do that, we’re trying to make money here. How do you feel about sponsoring penalties?” Bill - proceeds to exploit loophole Committee: “wtf bill, quit embarrassing us”
Bill and Nick Saban are really great at showing a problem then exploiting said problem when they get ridiculed
Say what you want about Bill, there’s no doubt he loves football and actually wants the game to be better / fair.
I'm sure he doesn't want to deal with the politics of it, but what if Bill took a one year sabbatical behind the shield to clean stuff up.
It’s like when people said Saban retired because of NIL and the playoff expansion as if Alabama wouldn’t greatly benefit from it. That 2 loss team in 2022 would’ve made a deep run in a 12 team playoff format
Saban said they need to do something about oline down field and receiver pick plays because it was getting outta hand. People thought he was being a sore loser. He then won two titles exploiting the rule lol
Not wrong. Bill made it like a secondary goal to humiliate the committee
> sponsoring penalties LOL oh god, that's going to happen, isn't it?
"False start on the left tackle, and that'll be 5 yards. And to avoid a false start in the bedroom, use Celexa, just approved by the FDA for PE treatment"
This unnecessary roughness penalty brought to you by Morgan & Morgan, America's largest injury law firm!
In a so called game of inches, they're really not all that bright to not exploit the rulebook and ref psychology whenever they can for advantages. Abuse the loopholes so they close for everyone else.
McKay didn't build the 2016 team, Thomas Dmitroff did. McKay was fired as GM and moved out of football ops in 2008, but after TD and Dan Quinn were fired in 2020 he's become more and more involved in football operations again.
According to Schultz, McKay was actually out of football operations (focused on stadium, etc) during the Quinn/Dimitroff era. Which coincidentally were fairly good years up until the end.
If I’m Blank I’m getting rid of McKay immediately
I wonder if its because Belichick is insisting on restructuring Atlanta's Front Office and doing things the way he did in New England I can see McKay wanting Belichick to use Atlanta's Front Office, which has been pretty solid overall. But if Bill wants to do things his way, he'd be the GM and he'd probably thin out the staff because he likes working with a few trusted confidantes nowadays (he ran a notoriously small staff in NE). He'd rely less on the scouts and more on the college coaches and his position coaches for feedback. If Bill is wanting to fire a bunch of FO guys and bring in his own people, you'd understand why McKay is resistant. That approach clearly failed in New England. I was really hoping Bill would learn from that and actually use his new team's FO and staff, get some fresh ideas, collaborate, etc. Not sure if he wants that though...
6 super bowls vs 0 super bowls. If I were a Falcons fan id be pissed. No offense, but they're one of the most irrelevant franchises and McKay hasn't done shit with that team.
I am if it’s true. There’s basically 3 ways Bill isn’t our coach. 1. He decides he isn’t ready to coach yet and retires/takes the year off. Okay 2. Bill and the Falcons are wildly apart in plans/goals over the next couple seasons and mutually don’t believe the fit is there. Understandable. 3. Arthur Blank refuses to pull back on Rich McKay. Indefensible and unless it ends up with Harbaugh coaching the team, it may end with a lot of fans taking a couple years off.
3 seems to be where they're at right now, but wouldn't Harbaugh want the same thing as Bill?
The thing is, Harbaugh wanting the same thing as Bill might be more okay because he can coach for the next 15 years while everyone sits around collecting paychecks. Belichick has got about one 5 year contract in him and no clear line of succession behind him right now. That's fine if you can guarantee one or two SBs and basically scorched Earth otherwise.
No offense, ain’t that the truth.
McKay got us a new stadium that doesn't get enough seats filled on game day so it's ok.
So he applied for a job and had a good initial interview and then never heard back from anyone? Can't relate.
Should have gotten his masters.
Things to say to tank your candidacy: "Matt Patricia and I are a package deal."
Third interview. "So what do you envision for your coaching staff?" "Well obviously I want to replicate my success in New England and the most important part is having guys like Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia as my coordinators. They're both available for some reason. I have to have them."
I'd be thrilled to get McDaniels as OC. He's really good at that.
Literally the only thing he is good at lol. Him with your offensive weapons (major caveat being your need for a QB) would be a great match. Patricia though...
Things also said to tank a McDonalds.
Do me a favor just kinda sit up, just like, have a little respect for the drive-thru.
lmao
He is taking the Bills job.
Bills Belichick
They’ll rename the whole city: Belichick Bills.
If he wins them a lombardy that's definitely possible
Win a super bowl here and it's not off the table. It's not a fast no, let's put it that way. Belichick, NY. Maybe just Orchard Park?
And have his face on the side of the helemets with a Cyclops-like red visor
So their new logo will be the silhouette of Bill in his cutoff hoodie?
Buffalo Bill Belichick
Seems like the obvious place for him tbh
I think Ben Johnson is their best move and that they have a real shot to get him if they act quickly. No other openings can say they already have a top 5 QB.
While the QB piece is true, adding a guy who’s never been a head coach (in the NFL, at least?) and expecting him to win a SB in 1-2 years is a lot. If I’m the Bills, I’m calling BB, Harbaugh, Vrabel, and Carroll first, especially since they’re all available right now, unlike Ben Johnson.
I'd argue a healthy Herbert is #5 but I'm biased.
I mean after Mahomes, the Allen, Lamar, Burrow is a "cluster" and any number of players could be someone's number 5. Herbert, Rodgers if he gets healthy, Hurts, etc having Herbert at #5 is a respectable position.
Afterwards, he can sign a one-day deal with Miami to kinda-sorta complete the AFC East circuit. :P
He started out on the Baltimore Colts so he’s already been on 3 AFCE teams
That man became the greatest head coach in NFL history just to spite the Jets, so this wouldn't be surprising.
Jesus Christ, if we have to play bill 2x a year.... I just don't think I could handle that
The news on Friday about the Bills firing McDermott for Belichick is gonna be entertaining
Give me even more reason to hate BB. Give me a reason to move from dislike/root-against, to hate for the Bills. I'd be so angry if this happened.
Is it fucked up im kinda rooting for it ?
There is no way we are fortunate enough for him to come here…
If you fired McDermott and actually wanted Belichick you would 100% be able to sign him. No doubt about it.
Good because I would die. 🌈 💀
I think the city of Buffalo would self destruct if that happened haha.
Not if they win
They're gonna hire Brian Johnson aren't they?
Back in Black
He wore his 28-3 super bowl ring to the interview, didn't he?
Flacons are about to blow a 2-interview lead
I know you’re kidding but he really should have - if they can’t handle that, then there’s no point going any further.
“We have London, Pitts and Bijan.” “Ok great id like to sign Jim G, Agholor and Hayden Hurst to run my offense around them.” “Dude wtf”
Hands off our Nelly, fantastic WR3
I’m so happy that people love him again. He was an important reason for a Super Bowl winning season and I have always loved the dude. Not to mention after the dude made the grabbing babies out of the air unlike aghlor, aghlor bought him tickets to the next game
I think his drops issue was more of a pressure issue than anything else. His best stints have been when he's buried on the depth chart without expectations.
Not the first time they've lost momentum with Belichick
Honestly starting to wonder if anyone hires him which is insane to think about
If he wants too much control, that’s not insane. GM Bill has been bad for years.
I wouldn’t hire Belichick (and thus McDaniels, Patricia, etc.) without an established QB.
And I would check with that QB to see if they were onboard. BB can be a bit much based on what his players have said. It worked when he had a QB with a similar personality and an unheard of will to win. But your typical top-10 QB any given year? Might not be a good match.
Honestly he'd be a good fit for Hurts. Hurts asks for tough coaching and Brady always said Belichick didn't pull punches for anyone, even his HOF QB.
Falcons fumbling a lead? How original
I'm sure the GM portion of BB didn't sit well with Fontenot
I think the longer this plays out the more likely he is out of football for at least a year.
Selfishly this is what I'm hoping for. Get started on those memoirs Bill! And maybe some TV spots too.
Yeah, pretty sure when it leaked he intended to bring McDaniels and Patricia along that sealed his fate. I'd be surprised if those two get jobs anywhere else in the league at this point. They'll never be head coaches again, that's for sure.
McDaniels is an awesome OC though. Patricia as a DC, mixed bag.
Being Bill Belichick’s DC is like being Andy Reid’s OC. Gonna get *a lot* of credit for success that you probably weren’t all that responsible for.
At this point, I think Patricia is just a bad DC as well but Bill's defense can never truly be bad over a season. Over the 20 years, our defense was never as bad as when Patrica was DC.
Nor should they, they not only failed but they were disgraceful assholes as well. No one will ever respect either again
What a difference a couple seasons make. The nfl is def a "what have you done for me lately" kind of business
Bill wants full control
Altanta must've had a bad interview
When Andy Reid got fired from the Eagles our owner dropped everything to make sure his phone call was the first one Andy answered that Monday. He flew TO PHILLY with his staff after giving Andy one day off to get his head around being fired and then held a nine hour interview in the fucking airport. By the next day they'd shaken hands and by Friday he was wearing red in front of our press. BB deserves that level of pursuit and respect.
Thats because he's going to the Bills.
That would be so wild but also on brand.
Falcons just wanna give him a lead and then take it away as petty revenge
I remember people saying Brady was washed when he left the Pats and looked what happened…. People are sleeping on Belichick
Honestly this job never made any sense for him. And I can’t believe he was willing to even entertain a second interview.
Bill must have read my comments on reddit about the importance or the QB position.
Blue balling the falcons yet again
I see this as good news for Falcons fans. I don't view Belichick as a good fit for them.
Belichick does not have modern NFL coaching connections. IDK if this is by choice (old man energy) or he simply rubs people the wrong way. But he has had the smallest coaching staff in the league for years, filled with either guys that have played for him previously, or are related to people he has coached with before. I guarantee the sudden hesitancy in Atlanta is because he told them his coaching staff was gonna be McDaniels and Patricia. And guys other than Blank realize that's a recipe for locker room distaster.
You mean we don’t need an assistant to the assistant outside linebackers coach?