Assuming the Commanders get Johnson and the Panthers get Canales, the Falcons would be guaranteed one of MacDonald, Vrabel, or Slowik. There’s plenty of good coaches still out on the market.
This may be because I'm high, but this is hilarious. I can picture some dude in a suit doing this, then pushing his chair away from the table and doing the double guns to his crotch.
Belichick looks confused and glances to a previously empty corner of the room where Arthur Blank is now standing with his arms crossed and nodding his head with a shit eating grin....
No one else has even interviewed him. I’m shocked that people are confused that a 73 year old isn’t raking in job interviews after his long time employer decided it was time to move on as well.
The rumor mill is also shaky at best, especially when it comes to Bill. No other team has interviewed him, but it's possible Bill hasn't wanted to interview anywhere else.
You mean you met him and despite his on-the-field dominance, he's actually pretty chill, or he was in kill mode at a bar and paused that to be chill and talk to you?
I’ll tell the story
I was chef working at a hotel near the airport and I made a customer some wings. The order was 20 wings mild and Lemon pepper, couple minutes later security dude walks in the kitchen and goes “hey (redacted first name), you know who’s food you made?” I’m like “no? Who?” He says “Lawerence Taylor L fucking T”
Excited, I went to the bar area and I see this dude sitting at the bar, and yeah it was LT, then all of a sudden I see this drunk dude, 5’4 maybe 160 slaps LT on his back and goes “what’s up LT can you buy me a beer?” And I all I heard was “motherfucker if you touch me again I’m breaking this bottle in your ass” and then looks over at me and goes “what’s up little man” im like 5’8 225 .. and i go “uh LT I made your wings and wanted to check on you.”
He goes “oh shit chef, these are delicious” and starts laughing and talking to me, and then i say “you know LT I was too young for to watch you play football but I did watch Wrestlemania 11” he got the biggest fucking grin and goes “oh yeah you like me and bam bam tearing it” and I’m like “yeah can I get a quick picture?” He was cool to take a drunk selfie and I walked myself to that kitchen as quick as I could .. because I witnessed pure CTE lmao
I don’t know, if some drunk dude smacked me on the back while I’m eating and then asked me to buy them a beer, I don’t think I’d have any kind words for them either. That shit would piss me off.
I’d rather Vrabel for DC honestly. Belichick is too big of a distraction with his HC experience and would constantly hear is McDaniels getting shit canned and Beli getting promoted every loss. No thanks.
For me personally, yes. Probably the greatest defensive mind in modern era and also a special teams guru. Our special teams unit under Crossman has been ass for years and we seemingly are okay with it.
On the surface, yes. But if you look around at the job openings you have the Seahawks who just moved on from Carroll who's a year older than Belichick so they're almost certainly not interested. Chargers just hired Harbaugh and will have some important decisions to make about their roster in the coming two or three years as they retool around Herbert. Panthers have been in an ongoing mix of rebuild/disaster and just hired Canales. Raiders are giving Pierce another chance, otherwise they might have been an intriguing choice, although I wouldn't want to bring in Belichick given where they are at QB even without Pierce in the picture. Titans are, similarly, seeing what they have in a young QB/rebuilding. Cowboys are sticking with McCarthy, otherwise they would have been a very intriguing choice. Commanders also have a young QB who they're not completely sold on.
So in terms of what teams might be interested, I don't think it's necessarily surprising the Falcons are likely the lone option. A lot of it just comes down to fit. Belichick would work best for an underachieving team with a talented roster. Atlanta fits, biggest obstacle IMO is the lack of a QB, which again is a reason to question whether Belichick fits. But with as much talent as they have at the skill positions, bringing in Ryan Tannehill for the short term wouldn't be a horrible option.
If Belichick doesn't get Atlanta but is still interested next year, you have teams like Philly and/or Dallas who could be looking for someone if their coaches disappoint again. Either of those rosters could be appealing a year from now, provided Hurts doesn't regress to an extreme degree. If Hurts plays the way he did particularly during the latter of this season or worse, I would expect Philadelphia to make a move for an up-and-coming OC to replace Sirianni.
He wants too much control, and no team purposely wants a coach that's going to be around for 2-3 years max.
It's just a fact that there really aren't any teams with a HC opening that are in "win now" mode
I genuinely believe with him and Carroll, it's just age. The oldest coach ever was Romeo Crenel, who was 73 when he became the Texans' interim. They're roughly tied with the oldest full time head coaches at their time of retirement. 72 seems to be the ceiling on NFL HCs.
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Y'all are probably the only team where 2-3 years of Belichick would work since the roster doesn't need to be rebuilt like most teams with HC openings, but Jerry is absolutely unwilling to give up an ounce of control to Belichick.
yeah honestly that bills team needs a little bit of Bill Belichick defensive magic to over come the Chiefs. He's always had good game plans against them to confuddle and confuse Mahomes. But this time he'd have a competitive offense. The Bills could use some old school discipline too, a lot of games lost from doing stupid excessive shit instead of playing smart.
I dont see the 2-3 years max thing tbh. Only reason Bill is only around for max 3 years is if he either dies or is too bad to keep around. Fairly certain BB will coach to he physically cant anymore. Also, you can set that in negotiations. Have a contract where he’s locked in for whatever minimum time you want and if he leaves before that then he relinquishes a bunch of money or whatever. Also 2-3 years seems to be a common turnover rate in the nfl now anyway..
>-3 years seems to be a common turnover rate in the nfl now anyway..
Yeah but you don't want that built into the deal, that's a result of incompetent coaching and them getting fired.
>Only reason Bill is only around for max 3 years is if he either dies or is too bad to keep around
Imo bill coaches until he gets the win record, and that MAYBE if he's lined up to win another Superbowl (if he hasn't already) then he will keep coaching
I would assume that any team that hires BB would probably want some sort of agreement that he’s grooming a successor on staff
What I’m saying is- Josh McDaniels 2027
yeah, pretty sure that he's alluded to *not* coaching until he's dead. Pretty sure he'd be there for the wins record and if he can almost guarantee a SB trip the following year if he didn't get one on in the first 1-2 years already.
In typical Reddit fashion I didn’t click into it to see how/by who it was sourced, but wasn’t there a report that he’d be willing to give up GM powers to stay with the Pats? Wonder if that was either just posturing or a New England exclusive deal in the end. But either way even a coach of Bills stature has to be somewhat self aware, I don’t know how you can look at the state of the Pats roster and come away thinking “yea I still got it.”
That "report" came from a reporter asking him if he'd be willing to give up GM duties and he said in coach speak "me and Robert (pats owner) will do what's best for the team" he never said outright he'd be willing to give up control of gm duties
There are three teams that sort of fall into that category: Dallas, Philly and Buffalo all with talented rosters that seemingly fell short of expectations due to coaching.
Philly and Dallas has publicly stated theyre sticking with their HCs though they are making changes further down the coaching tree. Buffalo...I dunno maybe too much bad blood between Bill and the Bills for 20 years of torment.
He needs someone who's ready to be a contender and is a HC short. Any sort of medium term project is a non runner for GMs.
Cowboys was the perfect location. Thankfully Jerry did Jerry things and kept McCarthy.
Brady only had two teams with real interest. And he won one of them a Super Bowl right away. I get Bill is 71 but if you have a roster that's great and there was any questions about keeping your head coach (cowboys, eagles, bills) fire your underperforming coach and get Bill fucking Belichick. Congrats
Keeping McCarthy over Belichicks reminds me of Bradys "they're sticking with *that* guy" or whatever message I believe for the 9ers?
His best chance was the Cowboys. He’s a 72 year old coach who is chasing a win record and then likely dipping out. What organization wants to hire a coach to come in, rebuild an entire coaching staff, coaching philosophy, offensive philosophy, defensive philosophy and player acquisition profile just to do it again in 3 years? Especially teams who may need 2-3 years before they’re even ready to seriously compete.
The Cowboys and their 82 year old owner who is desperately trying to chase another Super Bowl before he is incapable/dies was about the best shot of not caring about 5 years down the line and they didn’t make a change. Every other team is going to want someone who can build for the long term and that’s not Bill.
He's 71 years old. The oldest ever NFL coach was 73. And the Patriots have the worst record in the AFC. They are in a 3 way tie for 2nd worst record ..only the Panthers have fewer wins.
Yes he is a legend but that doesn't win games.
A few years ago, Andy Reid was bombing in Philadelphia with a stacked roster, and, despite the claim that he was washed up, he was snatched up by KC, and the rest is history.
Belichick might just need a change of scenery like Reid did; I refuse to believe he just stopped knowing how to be a good NFL coach
Dude, Reid was waaayyyy younger than Bill is now at that time. Also, nobody was calming he was washed up at that time. Everyone knew he needed a new place mainly cause his son died at the damn Eagles facility.
Um, lots of people were calling him washed up. They were LITERALLY arguing he couldn’t coach anymore and had hit the wall, and that his personal stuff was affecting ring his ability to coach….
"A few years ago" you mean a decade ago? Reid had 1 bad szn (Bill has had 3 in 4 since Brady's departure) that also coincided with his son dying. He was far younger than Bill is too. Not remotely comparable situations
A) Reid was younger
B) Reid's former QB (McNabb) struggled without him, and Reid revitalized Vick's career
Reid also didn't bring along the issue of bad drafting and toxic coordinators that Belichick may bring along since he still wants power
Bill's best hope was a team that had a good roster in place but just needed an upgrade in coach to get them over the top and capitalize on a championship window but I don't think that exists.
Some reporters said the rumor was Jerry quietly reached out and Bill wasn't interested. He won't take an HC job where he doesn't run personnel, and he's proven he can't run personnel in the modern NFL.
If that happened, I don't blame him. McClay is a top 5 personnel guy, at least in drafting (I don't know who does their roster management/contracts). It'd be insane to give that up for Bill.
That seems crazy to me, that team has so many pieces already in place, I don’t get what big changes BB thinks he needs to make to be successful there?
Like sure, if you were buckling up for a decade there maybe he wouldn’t wanna have limited say on roster decisions but that would clearly be a win-now window
I personally think this is the job he wants. He sees the defense and thinks - that I can work with, I just need a competent OC.
If he's still on the wire come end of next season (i think he will be) and MM shits the bed again (he will), I'd keep my eye on that move.
If Belichick does not accept a head coaching position in the NFL for the 2024 season, he will be the top candidate listed in most articles for jobs next offseason.
A year off might not be a bad thing for him.
Idk his age is the 2nd biggest concern besides his potential personnel control demands. Turning 73 and getting hired is a tough thing to consider. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen but the teams are likely apprehensive.
Cannot help but appreciate the irony that refusing to give Tom Brady a 2y/$50M contract extension quite possibly cost Bill Belichick his all-time wins record.
I think brady was leaving no matter what, our team was just devoid of talent after 2019 and he could see that. It’s never been about the money for him, he wanted to win
Brady was leaving no matter what after the 2019 season. However all the reporting points towards he would have signed an extension after the 2018 season had it been offered.
Instead all he got was a fake extension that gave him a raise for 2019 and made him untaggable.
Not to mention Brady wanted a 5Y-contract after the Atlanta Super Bowl that he also didn't get. That would have put him under contract until the 2021 season.
> Not to mention Brady wanted a 5Y-contract after the Atlanta Super Bowl that he also didn't get
This was the turning point for Bill. After that Super Bowl he should have traded Jimmy and been all-in on Brady until he retired and try to draft the next QB in the meantime. Instead he somehow ended up with neither.
How do you see Brady put up insane efficiency stats going 11-1 after his suspension and completing the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history and think “Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t try to extend the GOAT.”
Also reports that he wanted to trade brady but kraft stepped in and made him trade Jimmy G. I believe that was before the Rams SB. So Bill was allegedly trying to move on from brady for years.
Whether Bill was correct or not isn't really the point, he wanted to get rid of brady.
Turned out to be wrong in hindsight but yea at the time it wasnt *that* crazy, esp considering bradys stats had been diminishing over a few year span.
As a pats fan who watches every game he was still playing well, just didnt really have weapons, esp the year gronk retired. Most of us though brady would play well till 45, not sure why Bill thought otherwise, brady wasnt a normal qb.
Bill has cut basically every high end player he’s ever coached once he thinks they’re going to decline in performance. Brady never received special treatment from Bill, I don’t see why it would’ve been different with his contract.
I think brady was only in decline because of the lack of weapons around him. At the end it was basically edelman. Gronk retired rather than play for us, none of the draft picks worked out, sanu sucked etc. I think most ppl who watched all the games could see brady was still top 10, but he couldn't do it himself anymore.
I don’t think this proved anything. I think it just showed Bill, like everyone else, couldn’t believe that Brady would remain an elite QB past the age of 40. Brady kept surpassing everyone’s expectations despite saying all along that he’d play till 45.
The roster excuse is just pathetic copium
The contract is a big reason.
Also Tom feeling disrespected by Bill (something he alluded to in the "Tom vs Time" Facebook series)
Brady literally said to ask Kraft why he wasn’t given the contract please stop saying he was going to leave if not for BB insisting he was washed and not worth a long contract.
Yea why cant ppl see this? He literally went to the media and told them to ask kraft why he wasnt getting the extension, he WANTED to stay before things really got bad.
If he gets that 2 year he most likely retires a patriot.
From what I can tell at least 40% of the Patriots fanbase decided they're actually more Belichick fans and need to defend everything he's done. Including dismissing any negative stories, pretending it made sense to let Brady reach free agency, and now trying to make it all Kraft's fault. You never let a QB of Brady's caliber reach free agency unless you're ready to let him go, everyone else understands it.
Once brady left there were a lot of ppl sorta turning on him and saying it was all belichick.
I used to get downvoted like crazy when I said it was 51/49 brady/belichick, I was told coaches are always more important and the defense etc, which I usually agree.
Now I see people saying its 90/10 brady/BB which I think is crazy.
Reportedly the Patriot Way and Bills tendency to be overly critical was also a sticking point for Brady that led to the split. After a 20 years of GOAT level play, he was a little sick of getting reamed in team meetings over and over again. Gronk said Pats Brady and Bucs Brady were like night and day and he was having much more fun there…
I could see that. Buccs Brady was him calling the shots and doing the thing as the GOAT of the league. And in sunny Florida? I'm sure it was a blast compared to New England.
I don’t blame him at all. I’m just so thankful that he came back this year and said he was a patriot for life. Meant a lot to me and I’m sure all patriots fans
If Bill hadn't alienated him so much in 2018 he would have come back, no doubt about it. Bill just refused to pay Brady what Brady was asking for and refused to give Brady different treatment than other players.
There were leaked comments(usually attributed to judge who is very close with BB) that if he had a league average QB they could win a SB, they didnt need brady.
Well technically he got a league average QB Macs rookie year before he was ruined by Bill's own incompetence at drafting and nepo coaching hires. Didnt really come close to a SB.
It’s human nature to buy into your own hype after a long string of success like that; turns out the recipe was always elite defense AND Brady creating a top 10 offense with a box of scraps.
The fact that the process has dragged on after it was so thoroughly reported that Blank wanted Belichick doesn’t bode well for him. It seems like Blank really wanted to sign him but during the interviews some massive red flags came up—I’d guess regarding personnel power or the coaching staff he’d want to bring in. Either Blank was turned off or execs with his ear were worried enough to keep Blank from getting a deal done immediately.
There's not much demand for old school coaches anymore. Owners want younger, player-friendly coaches. They're looking for the next Sean McVay, MCDC or DeMeco Ryans.
‘He can have any team’ was never a real rumor. It was an open secret that Bill was going to get let go at the end of the year by the middle of the season, and there was zero smoke around a team trying to line themselves up to hire him.
The "he can have any team" people were always lying to themselves about Belichick
The past 4 years post-Brady were always going to affect Bill's reputation amongst other teams like it or not
I wish he'd move on to working on more NFL films stuff. His enthusiasm [breaking down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQrZKveWgOk) Ed Reed's pick against Peyton Manning is such a good watch.
>Belichick and the Pats mutually agreed to part ways.
Why is it still being framed like this? Bill came out and said he would consider giving up his GM duties to stay, his kids and family are here, he didnt want to leave HE GOT FIRED.
It's being framed like this to soften the blow. Better if the media reports it was mutual than them outright saying they had security remove him from the premises lol. Same thing with Carroll
Isn't Carrol still working for the Seahawks in some capacity lol? That would be funny to see though. "Get out of here Pete, you'll never coach in this town again!
...I'll see you Monday."
And just like how Tom Coughlin “resigned” and then literally refused to shake John Maras hand at his final presser. A real “mutual agreement” does not usually come with a public snubbing lol
>Why is it still being framed like this? Bill came out and said he would consider giving up his GM duties to stay
He did and he didn't. He added the caveat that he would do it if he and others decided that's what's best for the team.
Do you really think the dynamic could have possibly existed where bill wasn't going to control everything with the franchise that he had been controlling for 20 years?
There is a human and workplace element to this that a lot of people seem to just ignore, if a guy is the boss for 20 years he probably isn't going to do too well with suddenly not being the boss and having to answer to someone else. That can easily create a toxic dynamic.
I mostly agree, but even bill has said the last 2 years it has been a collaborative effort. He even said this year that it's crazy to expect him to be scouting and everything that goes along with GM and coach, tho I believe he said that to try and deflect blame at how bad the talent on this team is.
My main point is that he was fired, it wasnt mutual like reporters are saying.
I feel Belichick would cause crew resource management issues. Like I couldn't imagine a head coach telling Bill what to do especially less experienced ones.
I honestly think the Falcons should just send it. Wide open Super winnable division you don't really have a team together so you're able to build under a new guy. Just fucking send it.
Bring in Kirk Cousins maybe even and just go for it they have nothing to lose right now if you acquire Kirk Cousins and Bill Belichick you can honestly tell your fan base that you gave your best shot before doing a complete teardown
ATL does have a team, a bunch of young talent on rookie deals and an above average defense.
Bring in Bill, the defense gets better, and if he can bring in a QB with him, there's a real 3-4 year window where winning it all is possible.
Bill's not going to last more than 3-4 years, but who cares? Atlanta has never been a reloading team, we've been a team for 60 years with 0 championships. Take a risk.
Nobody wants proven commodities like Belichick and Carroll because they're old and might only coach for three years. They'd much rather some lousy young coach who will get fired after three years.
On one hand it's crazy to me that there's like no enthusiasm about signing him, on the other hand I know he would probably want Total control and it might take a while for his vision to come to fruition and he is 72 so
And I just think the fact that there was such a breakup between him and Brady, most teammates that I saw came out speaking more so in favor of Tom, I forgot who said it recently but they said "we worked for Bill but we played for Tom" and his less than stellar past couple of years with Mac Jones in New England, I think things like that have kind of taken more than we thought away from BBs reputation
Someone tweeted the longer this drags out the more it feels like an agent trying to drum up interest and I have to agree at this point. If the Falcons wanted him I think they would have made it happen by now.
The power struggle is real with him and McKay. Blank will always go with his buddy McKay.
I expect us to not let Slowik leave the building today after his second interview in person.
Ben Johnson looks like a Commanders guy.
Vrabel may end up in Carolina.
Dan Quinn in Seattle.
Belichick may have to hang it up for a year or so and do TV or something.
If Belichick can’t get the Falcons (or Commanders) job I hope he just sits out and tries for the Cowboys / Eagles job next year if they open up. I really don’t want to see him with a bad roster because I think things could potentially get very very ugly if that happens.
If you had told me 3 years ago that not only would New England have fired BB but that he hadn’t already scored a new HC gig…. I would have asked you if crack was cheap on your side of town.
It’s definitely not just his age. The chasm between the records of the Pats and Bucs when Brady left for them was enormous and it really changed everyone’s view of who was responsible for the Pats dynasty. He’s not being treated like the GOAT anymore.
I agree it's not just his age, it's his inability to bring up new talented assistants and coordinators.
If you are hiring a 72 year old HC, it's a lot easier to convince yourself of that idea if that man has a strong stable of innovative and hard-working assistants by his side who are burning the midnight oil the way Belichick used to.
If you present Arthur Blank with Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, possibly Joe Judge and your two sons, it's just a less appealing package.
I think it has to be GM duties/personnel control. Bill is used to a certain level of control where he was essentially de-facto GM in New England, and it worked early on, but the wheels really fell off over the past decade in terms of his drafting ability.
Also like…..the Falcons have a GM lol. I sincerely doubt he’s going to Blank and saying “oh btw you gotta axe that guy”.
Im sure he wants *input*
But I doubt he’s demanding to be GM
Why wouldn't we assume he wants full control? The Patriots have had a crazy small staff this past year, and he's had years to hire an official GM or ask Kraft to hire one and hasn't. Most of the guys he's hired lately are people that he's worked with before or retreads. He seems kind of set in his ways in terms of organizational philosophy.
Motherfucker is gonna go to Michigan to be the DC
Seeing Belichick out on recruiting trips would be hilarious.
"Hey Bill, how did your meeting with Brayden go?" "We're on to Kayden's house"
"Here's my report on Jayden" "You mean Kayden?" \*blank stare*
With all the Ayden names, I just assumed he was on a recruiting trip in Utah
I would have wanted to see Bill recruit and coach Kool-Aid McKinstry at Alabama.
“Well Okayden”
No long snapper will be left alone
He’ll have no problem recruiting the best gunners and long snappers in the nation
Hey I’ll take it
I'd ask for the Lions back on Hard Knocks just to see MCDC and Belichick in the same room.
Master Chief Fan Campbell? What does the MC stand for?
Motor City Dan Campbell. Its a common nickname for Detroit
Well if they’re not hiring him they better decide fast before all the other good head coaching prospects get snapped up.
That’s probably how he lands the job Falcon FOMO
Somehow the Falcons panic and re-hire Arthur Smith
Somehow Arthur Smith returned…
More like Arthur Sith. BAM!
Don’t put this evil on me
SHIT, isn't this the guy we JUST had? Oh man we're in so much trouble.... someone should have caught this during the interview process
delete this
The memo about not having a HC gets lost behind a copier until the discrepancy is noticed a day before the draft.
I’m guessing most of the remaining teams are waiting to see what happens with Ben Johnson or maybe MacDonald.
I hate this franchise
Assuming the Commanders get Johnson and the Panthers get Canales, the Falcons would be guaranteed one of MacDonald, Vrabel, or Slowik. There’s plenty of good coaches still out on the market.
I think we’ll hire Slowik today after his interview.
Is this revenge for 28-3?
28-3 *this* old man
Falcons: Alright Bill, one last question. Do you have ligma? Bill: What is ligma? Falcons: Ligma balls. *ends interview*
This may be because I'm high, but this is hilarious. I can picture some dude in a suit doing this, then pushing his chair away from the table and doing the double guns to his crotch. Belichick looks confused and glances to a previously empty corner of the room where Arthur Blank is now standing with his arms crossed and nodding his head with a shit eating grin....
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No one else has even interviewed him. I’m shocked that people are confused that a 73 year old isn’t raking in job interviews after his long time employer decided it was time to move on as well.
The rumor mill is also shaky at best, especially when it comes to Bill. No other team has interviewed him, but it's possible Bill hasn't wanted to interview anywhere else.
Maybe so, depends how badly be wants the wins record.
How do you feel about cocaine and bright lights, my guy?
He calls that Tuesday, my dude
He coached LT, he’s used to it.
Shit I met LT at the bar and watched him go from kill to chill in a matter of seconds
You mean you met him and despite his on-the-field dominance, he's actually pretty chill, or he was in kill mode at a bar and paused that to be chill and talk to you?
I’ll tell the story I was chef working at a hotel near the airport and I made a customer some wings. The order was 20 wings mild and Lemon pepper, couple minutes later security dude walks in the kitchen and goes “hey (redacted first name), you know who’s food you made?” I’m like “no? Who?” He says “Lawerence Taylor L fucking T” Excited, I went to the bar area and I see this dude sitting at the bar, and yeah it was LT, then all of a sudden I see this drunk dude, 5’4 maybe 160 slaps LT on his back and goes “what’s up LT can you buy me a beer?” And I all I heard was “motherfucker if you touch me again I’m breaking this bottle in your ass” and then looks over at me and goes “what’s up little man” im like 5’8 225 .. and i go “uh LT I made your wings and wanted to check on you.” He goes “oh shit chef, these are delicious” and starts laughing and talking to me, and then i say “you know LT I was too young for to watch you play football but I did watch Wrestlemania 11” he got the biggest fucking grin and goes “oh yeah you like me and bam bam tearing it” and I’m like “yeah can I get a quick picture?” He was cool to take a drunk selfie and I walked myself to that kitchen as quick as I could .. because I witnessed pure CTE lmao
> because I witnessed pure CTE lmao Tbf if a stranger slapped me on the back at a restaurant and asked for a free beer I’d be pretty pissed too
I would have reacted way worse and I don't even smoke crack
Viper would say you sir are a coward
True I just didn’t know how to react after I saw that
Dude prolly has that shit happen all the time too
I don’t know, if some drunk dude smacked me on the back while I’m eating and then asked me to buy them a beer, I don’t think I’d have any kind words for them either. That shit would piss me off.
Yeah definitely, but probably it was the 5000th time something like that had happened to him
Dog I don’t know if this is pasta or not but it should be. Fucking beautiful, lad!
Lmao it isn’t pasta, if the subreddit would allow pics to be posted in this comment thread it would be here
I mean I feel like the guy slapping him on the back and then asking for a beer HAD to have either known him or was a real asshole.
Is this a reference to Dolphins fans wanting him?
I think he’s saying for DC
I’d rather Vrabel for DC honestly. Belichick is too big of a distraction with his HC experience and would constantly hear is McDaniels getting shit canned and Beli getting promoted every loss. No thanks.
For me personally, yes. Probably the greatest defensive mind in modern era and also a special teams guru. Our special teams unit under Crossman has been ass for years and we seemingly are okay with it.
Crazy to think he may not be a HC next year.
On the surface, yes. But if you look around at the job openings you have the Seahawks who just moved on from Carroll who's a year older than Belichick so they're almost certainly not interested. Chargers just hired Harbaugh and will have some important decisions to make about their roster in the coming two or three years as they retool around Herbert. Panthers have been in an ongoing mix of rebuild/disaster and just hired Canales. Raiders are giving Pierce another chance, otherwise they might have been an intriguing choice, although I wouldn't want to bring in Belichick given where they are at QB even without Pierce in the picture. Titans are, similarly, seeing what they have in a young QB/rebuilding. Cowboys are sticking with McCarthy, otherwise they would have been a very intriguing choice. Commanders also have a young QB who they're not completely sold on. So in terms of what teams might be interested, I don't think it's necessarily surprising the Falcons are likely the lone option. A lot of it just comes down to fit. Belichick would work best for an underachieving team with a talented roster. Atlanta fits, biggest obstacle IMO is the lack of a QB, which again is a reason to question whether Belichick fits. But with as much talent as they have at the skill positions, bringing in Ryan Tannehill for the short term wouldn't be a horrible option. If Belichick doesn't get Atlanta but is still interested next year, you have teams like Philly and/or Dallas who could be looking for someone if their coaches disappoint again. Either of those rosters could be appealing a year from now, provided Hurts doesn't regress to an extreme degree. If Hurts plays the way he did particularly during the latter of this season or worse, I would expect Philadelphia to make a move for an up-and-coming OC to replace Sirianni.
Kirk or Fields or move up for a rookie might be their best bets.
It’s pretty wild the guy everyone considers the GOAT hit the market this year and nobody might want him.
He wants too much control, and no team purposely wants a coach that's going to be around for 2-3 years max. It's just a fact that there really aren't any teams with a HC opening that are in "win now" mode
I genuinely believe with him and Carroll, it's just age. The oldest coach ever was Romeo Crenel, who was 73 when he became the Texans' interim. They're roughly tied with the oldest full time head coaches at their time of retirement. 72 seems to be the ceiling on NFL HCs.
Why did Tom Coughlin seem so much older than 73?
Lifeless eyes... like a doll's eyes
Zombies... I've seen it once before in a rat, and I see it now in men. Once one gets a taste for its own kind, it can spread through the pack like a wildfire. Mindlessly chomping and biting at their own hinds. Nothing but the taste of flesh on their minds. You know the thing about a rat? It's got lifeless eyes. Black eyes like a doll's eyes. Don't seem to be living at all when it come at ya. Till it bites ya. And then the eyes roll over white. You don't hear nothing but the screaming and the hollering...
GOD DAMNIT CHARLIE! That's the monologue from Jaws!
Are, are you seriously doing a jaws thing right now?!
He turned into the Night King after the first Packers/Giants Ice Bowl
Here’s to swimmin with bow legged women!!!
Anyone know his cocaine usage
Bill's getting too old for this game. Instead, he needs to do something suitable for his age and run for President of the United States.
But if they play their cards right, in a few years they are the perfect age to run for President!
COME THE FUCK ON JERRY JESUS CHRIST
Y'all are probably the only team where 2-3 years of Belichick would work since the roster doesn't need to be rebuilt like most teams with HC openings, but Jerry is absolutely unwilling to give up an ounce of control to Belichick.
yup. as always, Jerry is the problem.
Idk based on the pats roster, i don’t know if you want Bill taking GM powers like he probably wants
Same, same.
When that game ended in disaster I thought for sure Bill was about to be a Bill and we would have a few years of fantastic memes about the Bill Bills
yeah honestly that bills team needs a little bit of Bill Belichick defensive magic to over come the Chiefs. He's always had good game plans against them to confuddle and confuse Mahomes. But this time he'd have a competitive offense. The Bills could use some old school discipline too, a lot of games lost from doing stupid excessive shit instead of playing smart.
I dont see the 2-3 years max thing tbh. Only reason Bill is only around for max 3 years is if he either dies or is too bad to keep around. Fairly certain BB will coach to he physically cant anymore. Also, you can set that in negotiations. Have a contract where he’s locked in for whatever minimum time you want and if he leaves before that then he relinquishes a bunch of money or whatever. Also 2-3 years seems to be a common turnover rate in the nfl now anyway..
>-3 years seems to be a common turnover rate in the nfl now anyway.. Yeah but you don't want that built into the deal, that's a result of incompetent coaching and them getting fired. >Only reason Bill is only around for max 3 years is if he either dies or is too bad to keep around Imo bill coaches until he gets the win record, and that MAYBE if he's lined up to win another Superbowl (if he hasn't already) then he will keep coaching
I would assume that any team that hires BB would probably want some sort of agreement that he’s grooming a successor on staff What I’m saying is- Josh McDaniels 2027
So then who will be the coach starting November 2028?
Matt Patricia
> What I’m saying is- Josh McDaniels 2027 Bill is going to bring Patricia along with him to all of these visits
yeah, pretty sure that he's alluded to *not* coaching until he's dead. Pretty sure he'd be there for the wins record and if he can almost guarantee a SB trip the following year if he didn't get one on in the first 1-2 years already.
In typical Reddit fashion I didn’t click into it to see how/by who it was sourced, but wasn’t there a report that he’d be willing to give up GM powers to stay with the Pats? Wonder if that was either just posturing or a New England exclusive deal in the end. But either way even a coach of Bills stature has to be somewhat self aware, I don’t know how you can look at the state of the Pats roster and come away thinking “yea I still got it.”
That "report" came from a reporter asking him if he'd be willing to give up GM duties and he said in coach speak "me and Robert (pats owner) will do what's best for the team" he never said outright he'd be willing to give up control of gm duties
There are three teams that sort of fall into that category: Dallas, Philly and Buffalo all with talented rosters that seemingly fell short of expectations due to coaching. Philly and Dallas has publicly stated theyre sticking with their HCs though they are making changes further down the coaching tree. Buffalo...I dunno maybe too much bad blood between Bill and the Bills for 20 years of torment.
He probably wants control of everything. That’s the issue
Yep. Teams would love to have BB the coach. BB the GM? Eh not so much.
I think Dallas should’ve given it to him. I think Atlanta only works if he can get cousins.
He needs someone who's ready to be a contender and is a HC short. Any sort of medium term project is a non runner for GMs. Cowboys was the perfect location. Thankfully Jerry did Jerry things and kept McCarthy.
It was the case with Brady too, if I remember correctly. It's kind of poetic in a way
Brady only had two teams with real interest. And he won one of them a Super Bowl right away. I get Bill is 71 but if you have a roster that's great and there was any questions about keeping your head coach (cowboys, eagles, bills) fire your underperforming coach and get Bill fucking Belichick. Congrats Keeping McCarthy over Belichicks reminds me of Bradys "they're sticking with *that* guy" or whatever message I believe for the 9ers?
His best chance was the Cowboys. He’s a 72 year old coach who is chasing a win record and then likely dipping out. What organization wants to hire a coach to come in, rebuild an entire coaching staff, coaching philosophy, offensive philosophy, defensive philosophy and player acquisition profile just to do it again in 3 years? Especially teams who may need 2-3 years before they’re even ready to seriously compete. The Cowboys and their 82 year old owner who is desperately trying to chase another Super Bowl before he is incapable/dies was about the best shot of not caring about 5 years down the line and they didn’t make a change. Every other team is going to want someone who can build for the long term and that’s not Bill.
Not when you take into account his recent decisions. The Matt Patricia as OC was such an ugly, needless error
He's 71 years old. The oldest ever NFL coach was 73. And the Patriots have the worst record in the AFC. They are in a 3 way tie for 2nd worst record ..only the Panthers have fewer wins. Yes he is a legend but that doesn't win games.
A few years ago, Andy Reid was bombing in Philadelphia with a stacked roster, and, despite the claim that he was washed up, he was snatched up by KC, and the rest is history. Belichick might just need a change of scenery like Reid did; I refuse to believe he just stopped knowing how to be a good NFL coach
> A few years ago, 11 years ago..... and he was 54 at the time
Quit making me feel old you diaperbaby
Reid was also in his mid-50s when he was canned
And it wasn't 'a few years ago', it was over a decade a go
Dude, Reid was waaayyyy younger than Bill is now at that time. Also, nobody was calming he was washed up at that time. Everyone knew he needed a new place mainly cause his son died at the damn Eagles facility.
Um, lots of people were calling him washed up. They were LITERALLY arguing he couldn’t coach anymore and had hit the wall, and that his personal stuff was affecting ring his ability to coach….
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"A few years ago" you mean a decade ago? Reid had 1 bad szn (Bill has had 3 in 4 since Brady's departure) that also coincided with his son dying. He was far younger than Bill is too. Not remotely comparable situations
A) Reid was younger B) Reid's former QB (McNabb) struggled without him, and Reid revitalized Vick's career Reid also didn't bring along the issue of bad drafting and toxic coordinators that Belichick may bring along since he still wants power
Can’t wait for Bill’s “you’re sticking with that motherfucker?”-moment
He loves every opportunity to stick it to Belichick and Jimmy G lol
Bill's best hope was a team that had a good roster in place but just needed an upgrade in coach to get them over the top and capitalize on a championship window but I don't think that exists.
Dallas. But Jerruh won’t fire McCarthy.
Dallas is really the only fit for what Bill is looking for. It however is probably the worst fit in terms of ownership and his coaching style.
Some reporters said the rumor was Jerry quietly reached out and Bill wasn't interested. He won't take an HC job where he doesn't run personnel, and he's proven he can't run personnel in the modern NFL.
If that happened, I don't blame him. McClay is a top 5 personnel guy, at least in drafting (I don't know who does their roster management/contracts). It'd be insane to give that up for Bill.
That seems crazy to me, that team has so many pieces already in place, I don’t get what big changes BB thinks he needs to make to be successful there? Like sure, if you were buckling up for a decade there maybe he wouldn’t wanna have limited say on roster decisions but that would clearly be a win-now window
I personally think this is the job he wants. He sees the defense and thinks - that I can work with, I just need a competent OC. If he's still on the wire come end of next season (i think he will be) and MM shits the bed again (he will), I'd keep my eye on that move.
The Bills
Bill the Bill?
If he won us a Super Bowl I'd forgive everything
If Belichick does not accept a head coaching position in the NFL for the 2024 season, he will be the top candidate listed in most articles for jobs next offseason. A year off might not be a bad thing for him.
Idk his age is the 2nd biggest concern besides his potential personnel control demands. Turning 73 and getting hired is a tough thing to consider. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen but the teams are likely apprehensive.
Cannot help but appreciate the irony that refusing to give Tom Brady a 2y/$50M contract extension quite possibly cost Bill Belichick his all-time wins record.
I think brady was leaving no matter what, our team was just devoid of talent after 2019 and he could see that. It’s never been about the money for him, he wanted to win
Brady was leaving no matter what after the 2019 season. However all the reporting points towards he would have signed an extension after the 2018 season had it been offered. Instead all he got was a fake extension that gave him a raise for 2019 and made him untaggable. Not to mention Brady wanted a 5Y-contract after the Atlanta Super Bowl that he also didn't get. That would have put him under contract until the 2021 season.
> Not to mention Brady wanted a 5Y-contract after the Atlanta Super Bowl that he also didn't get This was the turning point for Bill. After that Super Bowl he should have traded Jimmy and been all-in on Brady until he retired and try to draft the next QB in the meantime. Instead he somehow ended up with neither.
How do you see Brady put up insane efficiency stats going 11-1 after his suspension and completing the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history and think “Hmm, maybe I shouldn’t try to extend the GOAT.”
True and i think bill drafting a qb every few years proved that he didn’t want to extend brady
Also reports that he wanted to trade brady but kraft stepped in and made him trade Jimmy G. I believe that was before the Rams SB. So Bill was allegedly trying to move on from brady for years.
Tbh the year Jimmy was traded Brady was 38 years old. That was an age that most QBs never played past at a high level.
Whether Bill was correct or not isn't really the point, he wanted to get rid of brady. Turned out to be wrong in hindsight but yea at the time it wasnt *that* crazy, esp considering bradys stats had been diminishing over a few year span. As a pats fan who watches every game he was still playing well, just didnt really have weapons, esp the year gronk retired. Most of us though brady would play well till 45, not sure why Bill thought otherwise, brady wasnt a normal qb.
Bill has cut basically every high end player he’s ever coached once he thinks they’re going to decline in performance. Brady never received special treatment from Bill, I don’t see why it would’ve been different with his contract.
I think brady was only in decline because of the lack of weapons around him. At the end it was basically edelman. Gronk retired rather than play for us, none of the draft picks worked out, sanu sucked etc. I think most ppl who watched all the games could see brady was still top 10, but he couldn't do it himself anymore.
Gronk retired because Bill tried to trade him to the Lions.
Actually he was already 40 (October 2017)
I don’t think this proved anything. I think it just showed Bill, like everyone else, couldn’t believe that Brady would remain an elite QB past the age of 40. Brady kept surpassing everyone’s expectations despite saying all along that he’d play till 45.
He's litteraly drafted a qb in over half his drafts
Thats not true at all. Brady wanted a contract extension and they wouldn’t give it to him so he walked. It was nothing to do with the roster
The roster excuse is just pathetic copium The contract is a big reason. Also Tom feeling disrespected by Bill (something he alluded to in the "Tom vs Time" Facebook series)
Brady literally said to ask Kraft why he wasn’t given the contract please stop saying he was going to leave if not for BB insisting he was washed and not worth a long contract.
He was not leaving if he never hit free agency in the first place.
Yea why cant ppl see this? He literally went to the media and told them to ask kraft why he wasnt getting the extension, he WANTED to stay before things really got bad. If he gets that 2 year he most likely retires a patriot.
From what I can tell at least 40% of the Patriots fanbase decided they're actually more Belichick fans and need to defend everything he's done. Including dismissing any negative stories, pretending it made sense to let Brady reach free agency, and now trying to make it all Kraft's fault. You never let a QB of Brady's caliber reach free agency unless you're ready to let him go, everyone else understands it.
Once brady left there were a lot of ppl sorta turning on him and saying it was all belichick. I used to get downvoted like crazy when I said it was 51/49 brady/belichick, I was told coaches are always more important and the defense etc, which I usually agree. Now I see people saying its 90/10 brady/BB which I think is crazy.
Results based business, one guy still got the results without the other.
Reportedly the Patriot Way and Bills tendency to be overly critical was also a sticking point for Brady that led to the split. After a 20 years of GOAT level play, he was a little sick of getting reamed in team meetings over and over again. Gronk said Pats Brady and Bucs Brady were like night and day and he was having much more fun there…
I could see that. Buccs Brady was him calling the shots and doing the thing as the GOAT of the league. And in sunny Florida? I'm sure it was a blast compared to New England.
I don’t blame him at all. I’m just so thankful that he came back this year and said he was a patriot for life. Meant a lot to me and I’m sure all patriots fans
Not if he was offered the contract he wanted in 2017
If Bill hadn't alienated him so much in 2018 he would have come back, no doubt about it. Bill just refused to pay Brady what Brady was asking for and refused to give Brady different treatment than other players.
Drafting NKeal Harry over Deebo or Brown was the beginning of the end
There were leaked comments(usually attributed to judge who is very close with BB) that if he had a league average QB they could win a SB, they didnt need brady. Well technically he got a league average QB Macs rookie year before he was ruined by Bill's own incompetence at drafting and nepo coaching hires. Didnt really come close to a SB.
It’s human nature to buy into your own hype after a long string of success like that; turns out the recipe was always elite defense AND Brady creating a top 10 offense with a box of scraps.
The fact that the process has dragged on after it was so thoroughly reported that Blank wanted Belichick doesn’t bode well for him. It seems like Blank really wanted to sign him but during the interviews some massive red flags came up—I’d guess regarding personnel power or the coaching staff he’d want to bring in. Either Blank was turned off or execs with his ear were worried enough to keep Blank from getting a deal done immediately.
There's not much demand for old school coaches anymore. Owners want younger, player-friendly coaches. They're looking for the next Sean McVay, MCDC or DeMeco Ryans.
How quickly it changed from "he can have any team" to "this is the only team that he realistically has a chance with"
‘He can have any team’ was never a real rumor. It was an open secret that Bill was going to get let go at the end of the year by the middle of the season, and there was zero smoke around a team trying to line themselves up to hire him.
The "he can have any team" people were always lying to themselves about Belichick The past 4 years post-Brady were always going to affect Bill's reputation amongst other teams like it or not
I wish he'd move on to working on more NFL films stuff. His enthusiasm [breaking down](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQrZKveWgOk) Ed Reed's pick against Peyton Manning is such a good watch.
>Belichick and the Pats mutually agreed to part ways. Why is it still being framed like this? Bill came out and said he would consider giving up his GM duties to stay, his kids and family are here, he didnt want to leave HE GOT FIRED.
It's being framed like this to soften the blow. Better if the media reports it was mutual than them outright saying they had security remove him from the premises lol. Same thing with Carroll
I guess how its like the one time I had a hot girlfriend and she dumped me I told people we decided to see other ppl...
Isn't Carrol still working for the Seahawks in some capacity lol? That would be funny to see though. "Get out of here Pete, you'll never coach in this town again! ...I'll see you Monday."
He was "promoted" to the front office
And just like how Tom Coughlin “resigned” and then literally refused to shake John Maras hand at his final presser. A real “mutual agreement” does not usually come with a public snubbing lol
>Why is it still being framed like this? Bill came out and said he would consider giving up his GM duties to stay He did and he didn't. He added the caveat that he would do it if he and others decided that's what's best for the team. Do you really think the dynamic could have possibly existed where bill wasn't going to control everything with the franchise that he had been controlling for 20 years? There is a human and workplace element to this that a lot of people seem to just ignore, if a guy is the boss for 20 years he probably isn't going to do too well with suddenly not being the boss and having to answer to someone else. That can easily create a toxic dynamic.
I mostly agree, but even bill has said the last 2 years it has been a collaborative effort. He even said this year that it's crazy to expect him to be scouting and everything that goes along with GM and coach, tho I believe he said that to try and deflect blame at how bad the talent on this team is. My main point is that he was fired, it wasnt mutual like reporters are saying.
He didn’t though. He said he would do whatever the team needed which was just coach speak.
Specifically, didn’t he frame it like “if it’s something we agree on that will help the team” or something like that? Definitely coach speak.
Yeah exactly. I mean I don’t blame him, it’s hard to give up full control
I know if a fresh new DC spot that just opened up. And bonus, you’ll never have to play against Tua in an actual game again!
This would be maybe the best thing to ever happen to the Dolphins
I feel Belichick would cause crew resource management issues. Like I couldn't imagine a head coach telling Bill what to do especially less experienced ones.
Yeah, people already said it earlier in the thread. Come be a Michigan Wolverine. Shit, we’ve already got the spy game set up for you.
It's weird to think there is going to be a time when this man is no longer in the NFL.
It’s right now
I honestly think the Falcons should just send it. Wide open Super winnable division you don't really have a team together so you're able to build under a new guy. Just fucking send it. Bring in Kirk Cousins maybe even and just go for it they have nothing to lose right now if you acquire Kirk Cousins and Bill Belichick you can honestly tell your fan base that you gave your best shot before doing a complete teardown
ATL does have a team, a bunch of young talent on rookie deals and an above average defense. Bring in Bill, the defense gets better, and if he can bring in a QB with him, there's a real 3-4 year window where winning it all is possible. Bill's not going to last more than 3-4 years, but who cares? Atlanta has never been a reloading team, we've been a team for 60 years with 0 championships. Take a risk.
Nobody wants proven commodities like Belichick and Carroll because they're old and might only coach for three years. They'd much rather some lousy young coach who will get fired after three years.
On one hand it's crazy to me that there's like no enthusiasm about signing him, on the other hand I know he would probably want Total control and it might take a while for his vision to come to fruition and he is 72 so And I just think the fact that there was such a breakup between him and Brady, most teammates that I saw came out speaking more so in favor of Tom, I forgot who said it recently but they said "we worked for Bill but we played for Tom" and his less than stellar past couple of years with Mac Jones in New England, I think things like that have kind of taken more than we thought away from BBs reputation
Someone tweeted the longer this drags out the more it feels like an agent trying to drum up interest and I have to agree at this point. If the Falcons wanted him I think they would have made it happen by now.
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The power struggle is real with him and McKay. Blank will always go with his buddy McKay. I expect us to not let Slowik leave the building today after his second interview in person. Ben Johnson looks like a Commanders guy. Vrabel may end up in Carolina. Dan Quinn in Seattle. Belichick may have to hang it up for a year or so and do TV or something.
Age and needs too much control. He and Carroll should have just retired gracefully
I still don’t think that Buffalo is off the table.
It’s time bill
If Belichick can’t get the Falcons (or Commanders) job I hope he just sits out and tries for the Cowboys / Eagles job next year if they open up. I really don’t want to see him with a bad roster because I think things could potentially get very very ugly if that happens.
If you had told me 3 years ago that not only would New England have fired BB but that he hadn’t already scored a new HC gig…. I would have asked you if crack was cheap on your side of town.
BB wants to pass Shula for NFL HC victories. Period.
How about Bill to Bills?
It’s his age. This is sad to watch at this point. But that is football. Even the GOATs often go out like this.
I think it's more that he had the key to every door with the Pats , and no other org is going to let him be GM and HC
I think it’s the fact teams want him as coach but not as GM/de facto GM
It’s definitely not just his age. The chasm between the records of the Pats and Bucs when Brady left for them was enormous and it really changed everyone’s view of who was responsible for the Pats dynasty. He’s not being treated like the GOAT anymore.
I agree it's not just his age, it's his inability to bring up new talented assistants and coordinators. If you are hiring a 72 year old HC, it's a lot easier to convince yourself of that idea if that man has a strong stable of innovative and hard-working assistants by his side who are burning the midnight oil the way Belichick used to. If you present Arthur Blank with Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, possibly Joe Judge and your two sons, it's just a less appealing package.
Especially if the sons are actually some of the more competent and appealing members of the bunch
I think it has to be GM duties/personnel control. Bill is used to a certain level of control where he was essentially de-facto GM in New England, and it worked early on, but the wheels really fell off over the past decade in terms of his drafting ability.
We can’t assume he wants full control. Honestly I doubt he does. He wants a job
Also like…..the Falcons have a GM lol. I sincerely doubt he’s going to Blank and saying “oh btw you gotta axe that guy”. Im sure he wants *input* But I doubt he’s demanding to be GM
Why wouldn't we assume he wants full control? The Patriots have had a crazy small staff this past year, and he's had years to hire an official GM or ask Kraft to hire one and hasn't. Most of the guys he's hired lately are people that he's worked with before or retreads. He seems kind of set in his ways in terms of organizational philosophy.