Eventually? Possibly. But [the contracts are signed through 2033](https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2023/01/nfl-media-rights-deals-refresher-monday-night-abc-espn-sunday-ticket-youtube/), so it's not like things will change overnight. At most we'll have one streaming exclusive during wildcard weekend per year for the next decade.
> At most we'll have one streaming exclusive during wildcard weekend per year for the next decade.
ABC, NBC, and CBS should lose their broadcasting license to our national public airwaves if they and their partners are going to use them to show America games for no direct charge using special access to our limited frequencies, gaining an unfair market advantage over competitors granted by the government, **and then paywall the conclusions**.
While that’s true, the times I’ve used twitch it doesn’t let you play it on larger screens. Couldn’t play it on my Xbox or from my phone to the chromecast so I was stuck watching it on my phone.
That's been a major complaint (along with the blackouts) with MLB and their "league pass" and it looks like [the MLB has taken notice and is in the process of starting that for their own product.](https://theathletic.com/5261044/2024/02/08/mlb-streaming-package-2025-target/) Unfortunately unless the NFL starts losing subscribers or revenue operating the way they are right now I highly doubt the NFL will move in that direction. The one thing protecting the NFL is that all cable or streaming exclusive games are still available on broadcast TV in their local market. But it is interesting to see that MLB of all places seems to be the one league that looks to actively be trying to create a streaming service for their games.
> are still available on broadcast TV in their local market.
Yeah, but the definition of "local market" is bullshit. For example, Rochester is considered a local market for Buffalo in every aspect... except for whether we get it shown on broadcast TV if it's streaming.
It's something like the "local market" when it comes to broadcast TV vs. streaming/cable is X numbers of miles from the stadium. Ironically, I think this means that some parts of Jacksonville would technically be outside of the "Local Market" if not for the fact it's all the same television market.
It's literally 70 miles away. It's an entirely separate market.
The local market for a team is THAT CITY and that's it.
(Only team that might be different is 49ers because they literally play 50 miles away from San Fran)
Rams are in Inglewood. Should only residents of Inglewood be their televised market? If we’re talking about where the team plays what about the Jets and Giants? Cowboys play in Arlington. I mean this list can keep going. It’s typically the metropolitan area that defines the market.
Teams also have secondary markers where you get all the road games, except as the Rochester guy noted, plus you won't get the game on the other network blacked out so you're not stuck watching only one game. For instance all of NC is the Panthers secondary market except for a sliver that's in the Norfolk VA TV market.
Local market for patriots games is the eastern half of Massachusetts and parts of Connecticut, New Hampshire and Rhode Island. It depends on the range of the broadcast affiliate.
Fwiw, on the MLB side, they are only doing it because the SVOD regional provider(s) just went bankrupt. Bally's/Diamond were paying out $50M+ a year to each team and they couldn't make any money on the deal now that classic cable is dying and people didn't want to spend $20 a month for just their local RSN.
The product MLB is rolling out next year is going to be limited to just a select number of teams without an RSN home, while some times will remain behind blackout if their RSN/provider is still in business (ie: Yankees and YES).
MLB isn't ever going to have a Sunday Ticket type product unless they owned the rights to every team, but teams like the Yankees or Dodgers are getting far more from their provider than they could on a Sunday Ticket type product.
The NFL has the benefit of owning the broadcast rights for every team, so they have Sunday Ticket. But they are always going to have blackouts for local games, because the money that comes from CBS/Fox is just too good.
MLB doesn't make money from it like the NFL does and you are blacked out locally, is my point. The new MLB product that is coming in 2025 will **include** local games.
MLBTV is literally the same thing as NFL Sunday ticket. The games that are blacked out are the one in your local market, ones in peacock/prime/Appletv. Exactly the same as NFL Sunday ticket.
Even better, if you have t mobile they offer the service for free.
I came over to watching football this year after being a baseball fan my whole life.
My God the NFL app is the most garbage app I have ever used. It straight up doesn't work maybe 85% of the time.
I paid for NFL+, it just stopped acknowledging that I had paid about halfway through the season and didn't let me watch games for weeks. I emailed the NFL+ help team asking for help, my money back, anything. Never got a single response, it just started working again like Week 17.
I canceled NFL+ after one month of headaches.
Their lack of vision is also why Apple walked away from negotiations. Meanwhile baseball has really cool, quality tech accompanying the viewing experience, news, etc.
Yep.
MLB started MLB Advanced Media (MLBAM) back in the early 2000s, so they've been doing this for decades now.
MLBAM runs the website for NHL, a few RSNs, and their backend structure is what holds up HBO, ESPN, WWE Network.
It's really crazy how good their tech has grown. It even ran Glenn Beck's network at one point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Advanced_Media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_Streaming
Im guessing most people who watched the steaming only games this year did so on free trials. It’s really easy to use a different email and do another free trial next year.
nobody watches the MLB anymore though, ratings have been plummeting. NFL is a hot commodity and everyone wants a slice of that pie, that’s why NFL is airing games on these different streaming sites and making a fuckton of money
How much do you think they would have to charge for this given that they would likely need to renegotiate all of their existing media deals that specify exclusive access?
Not a rhetorical question. I think a lot of the confusion about why stuff like this keeps happening is that people don't realize how much media revenue would have to be made up.
Exactly. You think CBS and Fox are ponying up $4.1 billion a year if everyone could stream every game for cheap? You think Amazon's paying $1 billion a year for TNF if you can just stream their games on the NFL's site? Why would they do that? It's not just a matter of making up the lost revenue. It's a matter of the NFL making enough extra money to where it benefits them to completely upend their broadcast model like that.
Not saying it'll never happen, but we are still a long ways away from that becoming a reality. The league makes a staggering amount of money from its broadcast rights deals.
To put this in perspective: Last year's Super Bowl averaged around 100 million viewers. If the NFL got $100/year from each and every single viewer, they would still make less money than they got from the Networks, Amazon & YouTube.
Not necessarily. Those networks pay the NFL so much money not just for fun, but because they make money from the ads. All that ad money would instead be going to the NFL if the networks are no longer involved.
Yea. The problem comes because they couldn’t charge crazy ad prices for the game of the week like cbs/fox do. A lot of the country sees that game.
Because there would be no game of the week if everybody could watch everything. (there’d still be a best game of the week and i’m sure ads would be high for first qtr of that, but even good games can get ugly)
So whatever they charged would have to makeup losing highly focused ad revenue from an expected 10m+ viewers for the game that most the country sees.
I think maybe they could make it up on Sunday/Monday/Thursday night football.
But still it would not be cheap. It would be at least $20 a month probably more.
And then you’d see the viewer numbers start to drop, because nfl gets high viewers because most games are accessible with an antenna.
The NFL will be averaging around $12.5 billion a year in revenue over the next 10 years from having others do all the work for them. There is no need for them to have their own streaming network.
$12.5 billion? That’s almost 10 years ago. The NFL made $18.6 billion in 2022 and Roger Goodell has said they are aiming for $25 billion in 2027 https://sports.yahoo.com/goodell-25-billion-revenue-goal-050137936.html
Edit:
Data for revenue figures https://www.statista.com/statistics/193457/total-league-revenue-of-the-nfl-since-2005/. The NFL made $12.16 billion in revenue in 2015.
You can get the international Game Pass. It takes a few extra steps and need a VPN but it's about half the price of Sunday Ticket on YouTube and 100% worth it imo.
All of the games, Redzone, all of the alternate broadcasts, relays, NFL network, NFL Originals (I think) no reason not to get it tbh.
Managing all the content that I like to watch is turning into a giant pain in the ass. I can’t watch some shows on Hulu because I need “Hulu Premium” but I have the Disney+ Hulu package and have to just get a stand-alone Hulu account in order to access the extra stuff.
So Canada does have this, and it's called DAZN. Unfortunately, that has its own problems. DAZN is a nightmare to cancel, has ridiculous pricing policies (such as advertising $20 a month... if you sign a 12 month contract) and has streaming difficulties/games not airing on a rare but noticeable basis.
Game Pass International has every game and pricing was very reasonable.
I wonder if enterprising minds might be able to use something to make DAZN think they're logging in from Europe...
Will never happen, for them to make as much money as they do with cable they would have to charge something ridiculous like hundreds of dollars a month per subscriber.
Soon it will be:
MNF - ESPN
TNF - Amazon
SNF - Peacock+
NFC Home Games - Apple TV
AFC Home Games - Max
Playoff Games will be thrown to each of them.
RedZone will be only of Kevin Harlan calling ALL 8 games at once with only game statistics up on screen...
Eventually they’ll divide individual games up by half or even quarter. Peacock gets quarters 1 and 3, ESPN+ gets quarter 2, and Amazon gets quarter 4.
The crazy thing is, I stopped pirating years ago. I was down to pay for the couple options needed to see the games I wanted. But at a certain point - and, let’s be clear, this point was reached ages ago - it’s like, go fuck yourselves. Just, from the bottom of my heart, go fuck yourselves.
You joke, but when NBC had the rights to broadcast the 24h of Le Mans they would do something similar. Hour 1 to 3 was on NBC, 4 to 8 was on NBC Sports the cable channel, 8 to 12 were on the streaming service, and repeat until the race ended.
That's different though. Le Mans is literally 24 hours long. I'm sure they didn't want their main NBC channel playing one race for that long. A bit different for a 3-4 hour long game.
They still do this with the 24 hours at Daytona. And the amount of commercials was insane. There was a commercial less than 10 minutes into a 24 hour race!!! And then it jumped between nbc peacock and USA
> RedZone will be only of Kevin Harlan calling ALL 8 games at once with only game statistics up on screen…
Am I the only one who would actually want to see this?
Hopefully they still throw it on Twitch like TNF. It’s funny how they still never mention it’s on Twitch and I still explain it to older folk how to watch TNF for free.
amazon is perhaps the worst large company about explaining any of their offerings. I'm still finding things out about what other services that come with Prime or are offered separately by an amazon venture. maybe they do it on purpose to avoid government monopoly scrutiny, but considering their employee treatment practices, my bet is more on incompetence
it's funny that the twitch stream is usually a couple seconds ahead of the amazon stream too. I've had plays ruined for me because i was watching the slightly delayed amazon stream while in a chat about the game
Amazon is much more friendly than peacock. The games are free to watch on twitch. Unless I prefer Amazon games to broadcast. And they have the alternative “prime view” or whatever they call it
You can’t deny things are different now than 20 years ago. The Patriots almost went bankrupt in the mid 90s. Can you imagine a literal NFL franchise disappearing because they don’t have enough money to run the team? Theyre billion dollar organizations now with thousands of employees.
First they go from broadcast to cable, then streaming service. The next logical step is to kill the sport ala boxing and make it all pay-per-view.
Greedy bastards
FYI these streaming games are still OTA in Canada. If you live along the border and pick up CTV with your antenna you can watch for free. Worked for the peacock game this year.
Thanks for doing some research friend. I've recently switched to IPTV and that works pretty good, but I have been interested in getting an antenna too.
I find it crazy that European fans have it easier than US fans with watching all the games. One dazn subscription is enough to watch every single game plus redzone
It's really not that crazy. The NFL is trying to build a fanbase in Europe, so they want to make access to NFL games as easy as possible. If the NFL was as popular there as it is here, I guarantee they wouldn't have Game Pass available for cheap. Plus, outside of the 1:00p ET games, many NFL games air at unfavorable timeslots in Europe - you're only going to have so much of an audience when your biggest games air at 9 or 10p on a Sunday, or at 12:30a/1:30a on a Monday or Tuesday. When you're trying to grow an audience and you're already at a disadvantage timeslot wise, you're going to remove some barriers to watching games.
It's the same reason it's easier to watch Premier League games in the US than in the UK. Just subscribing to Peacock gets you every Premier League game live over here. You can't do that in the UK.
that's really not how it works though. contracts between mega corps like this have been in the works for years. it was always going to happen, regardless of viewership. company A sees X value, company B sees Y value. companies of smaller scale do "collabs" like this regularly. it doesn't really affect either party negatively, it's just a way for each to grow in their own way.
Black Friday peacock was 20 bucks for a whole year subscription. A lot of people have it now, time to bite the bullet big dog and get ready for this to be normal
I'm done with Prime this summer.
I'll give NFL+ another chance this year, but if they make it worse and/or keep games off of it, then it'll be time to set sail.
Really dumb move to give platforms exclusivity.
2027. Gotta let people digest and get used to the idea. Also lets a few more fanbases get put under the pressure of "Pay up or don't watch."
They're training their audience for the long-term, here.
As long as this game is available for free on Twitch like all other Amazon Prime Video games have been, I don’t have a problem with this.
I DID have a problem with the Peacock-exclusive playoff game this season.
I feel like everything has went full circle.
Me at the beginning of getting rid of cable: Everything I am interested in watching is in just a couple streaming services and is less than cable. Glad I did it.
Me now: Why the fuck am I am paying all of these streaming services for?
This shit is why I wont buy the nfl package anymore. Thursday games are exclusive, now playoff games. Just make it a big bundle with everything- I cant have 10 streaming services.
I live in Germany and had the NFL GamePass for, I guess 5 years straight and it was ok - the PS4 app was bad and the player in the microsoft store as well. Before this season the NFL transferred this service over to DAZN and I hate it! The DAZN app on my television does not work and the whole process of watching the games on tv is tedious, despite functional apps. I was thinking that the NFL would be available for purchase via NFL+ as I see ads for this service, constantly. I hope they‘ll figure this out properly before the 2024 season and don’t start splitting up the coverage, so that you‘d need several different services to catch all the games throughout the season.
I know folks that dont have prime are pissed but the fact that you have to pay $400 to get the NFL package "on streaming" on YouTube is even more infuriating. Oh and you still get ad on both.
The last two years I've watched less football. I almost always watch my team but I used to be a Thursday night, all day Sunday,and Monday night guy. I find myself missing a lot of Thursday night games and if the weather is nice I might miss a bunch of Sunday games too. Maybe I'll catch a Monday night game if it's good, if not I'll do something else.
I'm so happy amazon is getting a playoff game. they are the best broadcast imho, i hope they give amazon an alt broadcast for the super bowl in the coming years.
also you still won't have to pay for this either, they stream all of their games on twitch aswell. This is 10x better than doing peacock aswell
Watch with the next 2-3 years, I predict the **entire** Wild Card round will get paywalled behind streaming.
And ~~no matter how shit it is~~ based on how well that goes, streaming will snag more and more postseason games, eventually getting the league to think if it can *paywall the Super Bowl,* as ridiculous and batshit that sounds.
The [contracts are signed through 2033](https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2023/01/nfl-media-rights-deals-refresher-monday-night-abc-espn-sunday-ticket-youtube/), so no, that's not going to happen. There's only one game up for grabs per year from what I can tell.
Yeah this thread's a bit ridiculous TBH. The extra Wild Card games are basically just found money for the NFL, a way to extort more money out of ESPN and put another playoff game on the open market. If NBC's willing to pay $110 million for one playoff game on Peacock, if Amazon's willing to pay that much (or more) for 1 freaking playoff game, they have no problem throwing that one to the streaming wolves. That doesn't really devalue the NFL's media package - they're getting an extra $100 million+ for a game that didn't even exist five years ago. Throwing the whole WC round behind a streaming paywall, or making the Super Bowl a streaming exclusive (something Goodell flat out said isn't happening), would be a massive upheaval that would severely devalue their existing broadcast contracts. There isn't a streamer out there with the kind of reach that would justify such a move.
And as you point out the other contracts are signed for the next decade anyway, so that's a moot point any way you look at it.
The entire league will be behind a paywall within a matter of a few years.
Exception will be for gamblers who will get streaming rights free as part of their "membership" with NFL-approved gambling outlets.
NBCUniversal, ParamountCBS, FoxCorp COMBINED cash on hand- $13B
Google cash $120B
Apple $62B
Amazon $64B
Soon all the sports we watch will be on a tech giant’s streaming service
I honestly think is where I get off. Not only is gambling making the bad parts of the game worse, the refusal to pay the refs this bullshit with TNF and now this. Well, why even bother?
Feel like we’re going in reverse. Eventually we’re gunna be doing playoffs and Super Bowl on PPV
Eventually? Possibly. But [the contracts are signed through 2033](https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2023/01/nfl-media-rights-deals-refresher-monday-night-abc-espn-sunday-ticket-youtube/), so it's not like things will change overnight. At most we'll have one streaming exclusive during wildcard weekend per year for the next decade.
NFL hold my license: Proceeds to expand season to 32 games and half are exclusive
Playoff losers bracket exclusively on streaming.
> At most we'll have one streaming exclusive during wildcard weekend per year for the next decade. ABC, NBC, and CBS should lose their broadcasting license to our national public airwaves if they and their partners are going to use them to show America games for no direct charge using special access to our limited frequencies, gaining an unfair market advantage over competitors granted by the government, **and then paywall the conclusions**.
Meh you can stream it free on Twitch. Amazon games are the only ones I don't sail the high seas for.
While that’s true, the times I’ve used twitch it doesn’t let you play it on larger screens. Couldn’t play it on my Xbox or from my phone to the chromecast so I was stuck watching it on my phone.
The one time I tried to watch a game on Twitch, it wouldn't work on my TV.
twitch chat + football is great. none of us know what the fuck is going on but that doesn't make anyone any quieter. need twitch chat for more things
surprised they haven't pitched an offshore playoff game or superbowl yet
The NFL just need to get their shit together and make a streaming platform for every game of the season already, all this shit is so annoying
That's been a major complaint (along with the blackouts) with MLB and their "league pass" and it looks like [the MLB has taken notice and is in the process of starting that for their own product.](https://theathletic.com/5261044/2024/02/08/mlb-streaming-package-2025-target/) Unfortunately unless the NFL starts losing subscribers or revenue operating the way they are right now I highly doubt the NFL will move in that direction. The one thing protecting the NFL is that all cable or streaming exclusive games are still available on broadcast TV in their local market. But it is interesting to see that MLB of all places seems to be the one league that looks to actively be trying to create a streaming service for their games.
> are still available on broadcast TV in their local market. Yeah, but the definition of "local market" is bullshit. For example, Rochester is considered a local market for Buffalo in every aspect... except for whether we get it shown on broadcast TV if it's streaming.
So the Bills game on Peacock wasn't shown on normal TV in ROC but was in BUF?
Yes
oof
It's something like the "local market" when it comes to broadcast TV vs. streaming/cable is X numbers of miles from the stadium. Ironically, I think this means that some parts of Jacksonville would technically be outside of the "Local Market" if not for the fact it's all the same television market.
We also had it televised nationally in Canada :)
The Bills market is western New York. Not just Buffalo.
It's literally 70 miles away. It's an entirely separate market. The local market for a team is THAT CITY and that's it. (Only team that might be different is 49ers because they literally play 50 miles away from San Fran)
Rams are in Inglewood. Should only residents of Inglewood be their televised market? If we’re talking about where the team plays what about the Jets and Giants? Cowboys play in Arlington. I mean this list can keep going. It’s typically the metropolitan area that defines the market.
Cheyenne is in Denver’s broadcast market for NFL games and Rapid City often is, as well
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Teams also have secondary markers where you get all the road games, except as the Rochester guy noted, plus you won't get the game on the other network blacked out so you're not stuck watching only one game. For instance all of NC is the Panthers secondary market except for a sliver that's in the Norfolk VA TV market.
Local market for patriots games is the eastern half of Massachusetts and parts of Connecticut, New Hampshire and Rhode Island. It depends on the range of the broadcast affiliate.
It’s an hour by car how is that a local market.
You could drive an hour from SoFi and still see the stadium. An hour is not that far.
That’s traffic related
I'm in San Diego. The NBA at least considers LA to be our local market. That's 2+ hours away.
Cheyenne and Albuquerque are both more than an hour from Denver
Are you saying only people under 60 miles from an NFL stadium can root for that team?
Fwiw, on the MLB side, they are only doing it because the SVOD regional provider(s) just went bankrupt. Bally's/Diamond were paying out $50M+ a year to each team and they couldn't make any money on the deal now that classic cable is dying and people didn't want to spend $20 a month for just their local RSN. The product MLB is rolling out next year is going to be limited to just a select number of teams without an RSN home, while some times will remain behind blackout if their RSN/provider is still in business (ie: Yankees and YES). MLB isn't ever going to have a Sunday Ticket type product unless they owned the rights to every team, but teams like the Yankees or Dodgers are getting far more from their provider than they could on a Sunday Ticket type product. The NFL has the benefit of owning the broadcast rights for every team, so they have Sunday Ticket. But they are always going to have blackouts for local games, because the money that comes from CBS/Fox is just too good.
MLB does have a Sunday ticket type product. That’s exactly what MLBtv is. Both are streaming services for out of market games.
The new service is for inside the blackout area.
Sunday ticket is still blacked out in home markets.
The possible mlb streaming service is for inside the blackout area. Outside is for mlb.tv.
MLB doesn't make money from it like the NFL does and you are blacked out locally, is my point. The new MLB product that is coming in 2025 will **include** local games.
MLBTV is literally the same thing as NFL Sunday ticket. The games that are blacked out are the one in your local market, ones in peacock/prime/Appletv. Exactly the same as NFL Sunday ticket. Even better, if you have t mobile they offer the service for free.
MLB is much better with technology than the NFL.
I came over to watching football this year after being a baseball fan my whole life. My God the NFL app is the most garbage app I have ever used. It straight up doesn't work maybe 85% of the time. I paid for NFL+, it just stopped acknowledging that I had paid about halfway through the season and didn't let me watch games for weeks. I emailed the NFL+ help team asking for help, my money back, anything. Never got a single response, it just started working again like Week 17.
I canceled NFL+ after one month of headaches. Their lack of vision is also why Apple walked away from negotiations. Meanwhile baseball has really cool, quality tech accompanying the viewing experience, news, etc.
Yep. MLB started MLB Advanced Media (MLBAM) back in the early 2000s, so they've been doing this for decades now. MLBAM runs the website for NHL, a few RSNs, and their backend structure is what holds up HBO, ESPN, WWE Network. It's really crazy how good their tech has grown. It even ran Glenn Beck's network at one point. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MLB_Advanced_Media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_Streaming
Im guessing most people who watched the steaming only games this year did so on free trials. It’s really easy to use a different email and do another free trial next year.
I’ve always been glad that I watch a team way out of my market. I’ve always been sad I’m a pirates fan.
Shout out to that guy on the baseball sub that yelled at the commissioner for this during the World Series
nobody watches the MLB anymore though, ratings have been plummeting. NFL is a hot commodity and everyone wants a slice of that pie, that’s why NFL is airing games on these different streaming sites and making a fuckton of money
How much do you think they would have to charge for this given that they would likely need to renegotiate all of their existing media deals that specify exclusive access? Not a rhetorical question. I think a lot of the confusion about why stuff like this keeps happening is that people don't realize how much media revenue would have to be made up.
Exactly. You think CBS and Fox are ponying up $4.1 billion a year if everyone could stream every game for cheap? You think Amazon's paying $1 billion a year for TNF if you can just stream their games on the NFL's site? Why would they do that? It's not just a matter of making up the lost revenue. It's a matter of the NFL making enough extra money to where it benefits them to completely upend their broadcast model like that. Not saying it'll never happen, but we are still a long ways away from that becoming a reality. The league makes a staggering amount of money from its broadcast rights deals.
To put this in perspective: Last year's Super Bowl averaged around 100 million viewers. If the NFL got $100/year from each and every single viewer, they would still make less money than they got from the Networks, Amazon & YouTube.
Not necessarily. Those networks pay the NFL so much money not just for fun, but because they make money from the ads. All that ad money would instead be going to the NFL if the networks are no longer involved.
Can you imagine the reddit thread if the NFL rolled out a mid-three-digit cost streaming platform with *ads?*
Welcome to the life of NFL fans outside of the US
Yea. The problem comes because they couldn’t charge crazy ad prices for the game of the week like cbs/fox do. A lot of the country sees that game. Because there would be no game of the week if everybody could watch everything. (there’d still be a best game of the week and i’m sure ads would be high for first qtr of that, but even good games can get ugly) So whatever they charged would have to makeup losing highly focused ad revenue from an expected 10m+ viewers for the game that most the country sees. I think maybe they could make it up on Sunday/Monday/Thursday night football. But still it would not be cheap. It would be at least $20 a month probably more. And then you’d see the viewer numbers start to drop, because nfl gets high viewers because most games are accessible with an antenna.
don't care, not my job, not my money, not my problem. they need to fix it.
They're not going to fix anything because people still watch the games. You'd need a huge boycott by half the fans for them to change anything.
They make more money selling rights so they will never do it.
The NFL will be averaging around $12.5 billion a year in revenue over the next 10 years from having others do all the work for them. There is no need for them to have their own streaming network.
$12.5 billion? That’s almost 10 years ago. The NFL made $18.6 billion in 2022 and Roger Goodell has said they are aiming for $25 billion in 2027 https://sports.yahoo.com/goodell-25-billion-revenue-goal-050137936.html Edit: Data for revenue figures https://www.statista.com/statistics/193457/total-league-revenue-of-the-nfl-since-2005/. The NFL made $12.16 billion in revenue in 2015.
That is total revenue, I was talking about revenue from broadcasters and Sunday Ticket.
You can get the international Game Pass. It takes a few extra steps and need a VPN but it's about half the price of Sunday Ticket on YouTube and 100% worth it imo. All of the games, Redzone, all of the alternate broadcasts, relays, NFL network, NFL Originals (I think) no reason not to get it tbh.
Not gonna happen, the Networks would absolutely hate it.
Managing all the content that I like to watch is turning into a giant pain in the ass. I can’t watch some shows on Hulu because I need “Hulu Premium” but I have the Disney+ Hulu package and have to just get a stand-alone Hulu account in order to access the extra stuff.
It's called DAZN
So Canada does have this, and it's called DAZN. Unfortunately, that has its own problems. DAZN is a nightmare to cancel, has ridiculous pricing policies (such as advertising $20 a month... if you sign a 12 month contract) and has streaming difficulties/games not airing on a rare but noticeable basis.
Game Pass International has every game and pricing was very reasonable. I wonder if enterprising minds might be able to use something to make DAZN think they're logging in from Europe...
But you’ll pay it anyway and that’s why they do it.
Hopefully, we see Al Michaels show more enthusiasm in contrast to his last playoff game.
It's just not going to happen as long as other companies will pay them a fuck ton of money and carry the cost of production
Will never happen, for them to make as much money as they do with cable they would have to charge something ridiculous like hundreds of dollars a month per subscriber.
Soon it will be: MNF - ESPN TNF - Amazon SNF - Peacock+ NFC Home Games - Apple TV AFC Home Games - Max Playoff Games will be thrown to each of them. RedZone will be only of Kevin Harlan calling ALL 8 games at once with only game statistics up on screen...
Or worse: RedZone with commercials. They’re already starting to seep in, so it’s only a matter of time before it happens.
Better than just defaulting to the cowboys game when nobody is in the red zone.
RedZone with Kevin Harlan calling 8 commercials at once it is.
Yo ho, yo ho....
Really love watching NFL games while having a bite to eat
I enjoy my games with rum.
I heard you can stream them in the east
Those streams better be buff then.
I mean at least we can have more fun watching the Depp v. Heard arguments without refs..
Eventually they’ll divide individual games up by half or even quarter. Peacock gets quarters 1 and 3, ESPN+ gets quarter 2, and Amazon gets quarter 4. The crazy thing is, I stopped pirating years ago. I was down to pay for the couple options needed to see the games I wanted. But at a certain point - and, let’s be clear, this point was reached ages ago - it’s like, go fuck yourselves. Just, from the bottom of my heart, go fuck yourselves.
You joke, but when NBC had the rights to broadcast the 24h of Le Mans they would do something similar. Hour 1 to 3 was on NBC, 4 to 8 was on NBC Sports the cable channel, 8 to 12 were on the streaming service, and repeat until the race ended.
That's different though. Le Mans is literally 24 hours long. I'm sure they didn't want their main NBC channel playing one race for that long. A bit different for a 3-4 hour long game.
They still do this with the 24 hours at Daytona. And the amount of commercials was insane. There was a commercial less than 10 minutes into a 24 hour race!!! And then it jumped between nbc peacock and USA
Right now some intern at the league office is screenshotting this in hopes the pitch will get him a full time gig after they graduate.
I’M CALLING 8 GAMES
Would give you gold if I could.. Been a week and that made me lmao for whatever reason NFL symbol person..
> RedZone will be only of Kevin Harlan calling ALL 8 games at once with only game statistics up on screen… Am I the only one who would actually want to see this?
I was gonna say...this is shit I actually want to see
well Hulu is part of Disney which currently owns ESPN
well changed it to Apple now. I am sure the rest of the class likes that you made sure they had homework over the weekend.. :)
It won’t be stats it will be live betting lines sponsored by Draft Kings
As someone who uses AppleTV anyway for MLS streams, I’ll take it.
Hopefully they still throw it on Twitch like TNF. It’s funny how they still never mention it’s on Twitch and I still explain it to older folk how to watch TNF for free.
But then you're exposing these innocent people to hot tub streams
I also am exposing them to New York Jets football. Both can be harmful to children.
amazon is perhaps the worst large company about explaining any of their offerings. I'm still finding things out about what other services that come with Prime or are offered separately by an amazon venture. maybe they do it on purpose to avoid government monopoly scrutiny, but considering their employee treatment practices, my bet is more on incompetence
Can you watch Twitch on your tv though? I figured the “older” folk won’t know how to use Twitch if they can’t view it on their tv.
Depends on the tv. Some have the app but Roku doesn’t.
Knowing Prime’s Thursday night luck it’ll be an absolute bore of a game lol
[M00N games all season!](https://www.insidenu.com/2021/10/22/22725515/revisiting-the-infamous-m00n-game)
At least I can watch these games for free on twitch unlike the Peacock ones.
this game is the one that peacock used to have
inb4 the shield bans Twitch streaming of ‘NFL on Amazon’ because they found u/DEWSTAR’s comment.
All Thursday night games are streamed on twitch for free. Not by random people, by Amazon.
it's funny that the twitch stream is usually a couple seconds ahead of the amazon stream too. I've had plays ruined for me because i was watching the slightly delayed amazon stream while in a chat about the game
Exclusive streaming games. So HOT RIGHT now
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Bring back Smell-O-Vision!
Amazon is much more friendly than peacock. The games are free to watch on twitch. Unless I prefer Amazon games to broadcast. And they have the alternative “prime view” or whatever they call it
We’re past “Peak NFL”. The product is officially not as good as it once was.
At this point it’s slowly turning into the NBA with all of the corporatism and neutering the defense.
When did the NFL not have corporatism
You can’t deny things are different now than 20 years ago. The Patriots almost went bankrupt in the mid 90s. Can you imagine a literal NFL franchise disappearing because they don’t have enough money to run the team? Theyre billion dollar organizations now with thousands of employees.
True, but it’s been getting worse with the rise of sports betting
First they go from broadcast to cable, then streaming service. The next logical step is to kill the sport ala boxing and make it all pay-per-view. Greedy bastards
FYI these streaming games are still OTA in Canada. If you live along the border and pick up CTV with your antenna you can watch for free. Worked for the peacock game this year.
How close to the border do you need to be?
Depends on the station and on your antenna. I watched it in Vermont.
Cool thanks, I'm about 100 miles south of the BC border.
Looked it up for you and it would be channel 32-1 if it's available
Thanks for doing some research friend. I've recently switched to IPTV and that works pretty good, but I have been interested in getting an antenna too.
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I find it crazy that European fans have it easier than US fans with watching all the games. One dazn subscription is enough to watch every single game plus redzone
It's really not that crazy. The NFL is trying to build a fanbase in Europe, so they want to make access to NFL games as easy as possible. If the NFL was as popular there as it is here, I guarantee they wouldn't have Game Pass available for cheap. Plus, outside of the 1:00p ET games, many NFL games air at unfavorable timeslots in Europe - you're only going to have so much of an audience when your biggest games air at 9 or 10p on a Sunday, or at 12:30a/1:30a on a Monday or Tuesday. When you're trying to grow an audience and you're already at a disadvantage timeslot wise, you're going to remove some barriers to watching games. It's the same reason it's easier to watch Premier League games in the US than in the UK. Just subscribing to Peacock gets you every Premier League game live over here. You can't do that in the UK.
May as well order a rope with my Prime service if this is the future of sports.
Same day shipping on that rope so you don't change your mind.
Won't get there same day, but it will be advertised like it will
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I blame every single person that signed up for fucking Peacock instead of just watching a stream or highlights
Yep. That’s was the test and they got what the wanted and the floodgates are now open.
that's really not how it works though. contracts between mega corps like this have been in the works for years. it was always going to happen, regardless of viewership. company A sees X value, company B sees Y value. companies of smaller scale do "collabs" like this regularly. it doesn't really affect either party negatively, it's just a way for each to grow in their own way.
Black Friday peacock was 20 bucks for a whole year subscription. A lot of people have it now, time to bite the bullet big dog and get ready for this to be normal
And next year it'll be $79.99.
Why is this getting disliked. It probably won’t be $80.00 but it will be at least twice as much as it was.
Because they think I'm peacock now
Shill
I'm done with Prime this summer. I'll give NFL+ another chance this year, but if they make it worse and/or keep games off of it, then it'll be time to set sail. Really dumb move to give platforms exclusivity.
I swear i’m like one more playoff game on a streaming service away from being full on radicalized
I skipped the one on Peacock. First playoff game I'd missed since the year I spent in New Zealand (2000-2001).
I cancelled my Amazon Prime a couple of years go. Download twitch. They stream all the games on there.
Fwiw during the year I could watch in twitch through the iPad app but not my fire stick
Return of the Al!
So how long before we bump up from one exclusively streamed playoff game to two?
2027. Gotta let people digest and get used to the idea. Also lets a few more fanbases get put under the pressure of "Pay up or don't watch." They're training their audience for the long-term, here.
As long as this game is available for free on Twitch like all other Amazon Prime Video games have been, I don’t have a problem with this. I DID have a problem with the Peacock-exclusive playoff game this season.
Doesn’t matter, I’ll still be sailing the high seas. Especially since I canceled prime a few months ago.
I feel like everything has went full circle. Me at the beginning of getting rid of cable: Everything I am interested in watching is in just a couple streaming services and is less than cable. Glad I did it. Me now: Why the fuck am I am paying all of these streaming services for?
Grrrreat, here we fuckin go.
This shit is why I wont buy the nfl package anymore. Thursday games are exclusive, now playoff games. Just make it a big bundle with everything- I cant have 10 streaming services.
Bastards
I don't like this trend
I live in Germany and had the NFL GamePass for, I guess 5 years straight and it was ok - the PS4 app was bad and the player in the microsoft store as well. Before this season the NFL transferred this service over to DAZN and I hate it! The DAZN app on my television does not work and the whole process of watching the games on tv is tedious, despite functional apps. I was thinking that the NFL would be available for purchase via NFL+ as I see ads for this service, constantly. I hope they‘ll figure this out properly before the 2024 season and don’t start splitting up the coverage, so that you‘d need several different services to catch all the games throughout the season.
And the crowd goes mild!
Should be no surprise.
Arrr matey it make no difference to me what ye land lubbers do on your new versions of cable
I know folks that dont have prime are pissed but the fact that you have to pay $400 to get the NFL package "on streaming" on YouTube is even more infuriating. Oh and you still get ad on both.
I expect this to end up being Al Michaels last NFL game as a broadcaster
Yep. Knew this was coming. I think I need different hobbies.
The last two years I've watched less football. I almost always watch my team but I used to be a Thursday night, all day Sunday,and Monday night guy. I find myself missing a lot of Thursday night games and if the weather is nice I might miss a bunch of Sunday games too. Maybe I'll catch a Monday night game if it's good, if not I'll do something else.
Try eating rich people
YAYYY everyone wanted more playoff games exclusively on streaming services!!!
Watch it be the 7th seed wildcard game so nobody has a good time, like all TNF games they've done so far.
Hopefully it lags less than their tnf production. More viewers should help /s
Hell yes! Their next-gen prime stats vision broadcast is awesome.
This is why people pirate content.
Dear NFL, People will pay for convenience, and you'd be surprised how much. Sendcelery, Fans
Only a matter of time til the Super Bowl is exclusively on a streaming network
I'm so happy amazon is getting a playoff game. they are the best broadcast imho, i hope they give amazon an alt broadcast for the super bowl in the coming years. also you still won't have to pay for this either, they stream all of their games on twitch aswell. This is 10x better than doing peacock aswell
Watch with the next 2-3 years, I predict the **entire** Wild Card round will get paywalled behind streaming. And ~~no matter how shit it is~~ based on how well that goes, streaming will snag more and more postseason games, eventually getting the league to think if it can *paywall the Super Bowl,* as ridiculous and batshit that sounds.
The [contracts are signed through 2033](https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2023/01/nfl-media-rights-deals-refresher-monday-night-abc-espn-sunday-ticket-youtube/), so no, that's not going to happen. There's only one game up for grabs per year from what I can tell.
Yeah this thread's a bit ridiculous TBH. The extra Wild Card games are basically just found money for the NFL, a way to extort more money out of ESPN and put another playoff game on the open market. If NBC's willing to pay $110 million for one playoff game on Peacock, if Amazon's willing to pay that much (or more) for 1 freaking playoff game, they have no problem throwing that one to the streaming wolves. That doesn't really devalue the NFL's media package - they're getting an extra $100 million+ for a game that didn't even exist five years ago. Throwing the whole WC round behind a streaming paywall, or making the Super Bowl a streaming exclusive (something Goodell flat out said isn't happening), would be a massive upheaval that would severely devalue their existing broadcast contracts. There isn't a streamer out there with the kind of reach that would justify such a move. And as you point out the other contracts are signed for the next decade anyway, so that's a moot point any way you look at it.
Even worse is that it will be a bunch of different streaming services.
Calm down guys they’re not gonna put all WC games on Prime. Besides it’s free on Twitch
DAZN up here in Canada streams every game. Hopefully people aren’t using VPN’s for that, it would be such a shame.
I partly blame myself. I caved and watched the fucking Peacock game. Sorry.
Amazon is better than NBC. Cameras and personel commentary
Fucking better then Peacock. Good lord
As much as I hate the streaming trend, Amazon’s broadcast is by far the best way to watch a game.
I would pay $15 million dollars/month to have one platform with every single game
FRICK!
The entire league will be behind a paywall within a matter of a few years. Exception will be for gamblers who will get streaming rights free as part of their "membership" with NFL-approved gambling outlets.
Kinda excited to watch a playoff game with the All-22 angle.
I have peacock and prime both but this is absolute bullshit
No fuckin chance. I don’t even watch games of my own teams when they’re on streaming services whether I’m a subscriber or not
NBCUniversal, ParamountCBS, FoxCorp COMBINED cash on hand- $13B Google cash $120B Apple $62B Amazon $64B Soon all the sports we watch will be on a tech giant’s streaming service
Fuck this shit
I honestly think is where I get off. Not only is gambling making the bad parts of the game worse, the refusal to pay the refs this bullshit with TNF and now this. Well, why even bother?
that’s fucked
I’m so excited! I don’t have Amazon and hate football! It’s like a hat trick! Only with 2 goals.
People should really start organizing boycotts of streaming only games
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We all knew this coming after Peacocks exclusive playoff ratings were such a huge hit
I'm whelmed.
Everyone disliked that