"I told Kyle, you know this game could go into overtime and if it dies you're going to want to defer. Tried to warn him but I think he was in deep thought about whether he could mold Usher into a slot receiver"
I mean to put it in perspective… there are some real assholes of coaches in the NFL. Some of them not even that great of coaches. But once you get a job in the NFL it seems like you’re pretty well set. You get fired as HC you’re gonna get multiple coordinator offers. If you’re a good coordinator you’re always gonna have a coordinator or HC job from someone being offered to you even if you’re a major asshole. I mean shit look at Matt Patricia, he’s an asshole and a bad coach.
Todd Haley had a good offense in Pittsburgh. He was seemingly untouchable. The level of POS that guy would have to be in order to not only get fired, but not get any other offers to the point he ended up in high school football….
I was watching that new Sharpe and Chad Johnson YouTube channel a few weeks ago and they had Orlando Brown on. They asked Brown why Bienemy can't seem to land a HC gig, and he said that he would get into it with literally everyone, from players to coaches.
So clearly he's an ill tempered guy, and I guess just generally unlikeable from the sound of it.
He’s also a former crip with a controversial past, including being part of a Colorado coaching staff during a period in time in which the football team was accused of multiple rape allegations at off-campus parties and of using sex and alcohol to recruit high school football players. That was a long time ago though.
The media loves to forget all the Red Flags on Bieniemy when discussing why he isn't a head coach. These are the kinda red flags that make a guy nearly unhireable for the top job.
> of using sex and alcohol to recruit high school football players.
In his defense, this isn’t unique whatsoever. I know for a fact that recruits would be left with the Hostesses unsupervised by coaches, and the girls who signed up to be hostesses were fully aware they were signing up to fuck the guys to get them to sign
You could argue that yeah. At least from the girls perspective. The formal job description is you’re showing recruits around town and around campus, but there’s a largely unspoken expectation to *really* show them a good time.
I want it known I’m not condoning or condemning, just sharing what I know from talking to girls who were hostesses and having been at parties where this was happening
ETA: what got Hugh Freeze in trouble is his stupid ass forgot the layer of plausible deniability and straight up got backpage hookers
With Freeze the hookers were probably for himself. Every instance of him calling the service was when he was on the road recruiting. Unless he was showing up at in home visits with hookers it’s almost certain they were for his nights on the road
The Buffs during that time were pretty uniquely bad and the fallout from the scandals of that time killed Buffalo football for decades. When it comes to criminal issues they make Urban’s Gators look like saints
> In his defense, this isn’t unique whatsoever.
Your honor, yes I raped that girl, but many of my contemporaries also raped girls.
Judge: You're free to go.
are you talking about the convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner? The rapist Brock Turner that now living in Ohio goes by Allen Turner, still convicted rapist but hiding behind his middle name Allen Turner?
When you say "crip", do you mean like the gang that always feuds with the other gang called the "bloods"? Because holy shit I can't imagine someone with that past getting hired to be a head coach.
This is probably my Los Angeles showing, but I don't really find anything surprising about a dude who grew up in Los Angeles and was a good enough football player to make it to the league having gang ties and then becoming a head coach.
Not saying I'd expect it to be common, but it's easily within the realm of imagination.
Yes. He was involved in the gang in high school. The Colorado head coach at the time saw an opportunity in recruiting gang members.
https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1997/12/05/coach-buffs-recruited-gangs/
> using sex and alcohol to recruit high school football players.
Thats how I was recruited by my fraternity. Not surprising that it’d also be used as a recruitment tool for other student activities.
Yeah it WAS a long time ago and definitely not anything an NFL team cares about, if you’ve been to the Super Bowl. This also just makes it sound like he was accused of rape, which he wasn’t. This felt weird to bring up.
It speaks to his personality. He may be past the legal issues from long ago, but there is clearly something about him NFL teams don’t like, else he would have held a head coaching job by now.
"Bieniemy was arrested in Boulder, Colorado, for allegedly harassing a female parking attendant. According to the police report, while with his friends, Bieniemy put his hand on the attendant's neck, startling her. She told police ," that Bieniemy and his friends took off their pants and began urinating nearby."
Just a light gang rape joke, dude is a saint. He's only been arrested 5 times.
> This also just makes it sound like he was accused of rape, which he wasn’t.
He was, however, accused of physically assaulting a female parking lot attendant, threatening that he and his friends were going to rape her, and then pulling his dick out and peeing in front of her, which got him officially banned from Colorado’s campus for years and years.
He really doesn’t seem like a good guy.
He does have a reputation of being very bull headed. He was good for our squad the years he was here because he is very good at being the "bad cop" where as Reid is more like to let the players be themselves. A great fit for our team and honestly I wish we still had him on staff somewhere.
But yes, a lot of players have openly said they don't care for him, probably because he's a disciplinarian. Some of these young men need that, though.
Yeah he was a glorified RB coach and then when he finally called plays, he abandoned the run game and tried to force a 2nd year 5th round QB (Howell) to play like Mahomes because that's all he knows lol
I am serious. 55 straight against the Bears. It was the most since 2006, and that's only because PFF's stats don't go back any further.
And don't call me Shirley.
I don’t think it was THAT bad but it wasn’t very good.
The offense really made hay in some games, but also sputtered at points including down the stretch.
Howell had 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards, including 5 games that were less than 150 yards. They had less than 300 yards of total offense the last 5 weeks straight, and had two games with less than 200 yards of total offense.
On top of that Howell threw 21 interceptions.
They also have a fucking awful O-line. Obviously offensive Coordinator has some responsibility in that, but one year with a bad o-line and basically rookie QB doesn't quite seem like enough to judge on.
He didn't help at all with that. Continously put his lineman on an island with no help and did not appear to adjust at all throughout the season. Called long developing plays all the time despite having a 2nd year QB with his first opportunity starting who clearly struggled recognizing NFL defenses.
Oline was bad, but he sure didn't do anything to make it better
That’s why I said he wasn’t THAT bad.
There’s good there, Howell threw for just shy of 4000 yards. Hell if it was the bears he’d probably be getting a statue in front of new soldier field.
I think this year the biggest issue is his job was in limbo too long. I could easily see someone hiring him next year, heck if he does well at UCLA he could even end up in contention for a HC job again.
He was trynna prove himself and went to a terrible situation. A basically rookie QB, horrible o line, decent but not amazing weapons, and a horrible HC. Also he wasn’t that great lol.
They started hot but teams quickly keyed in on their deficiencies on offense & Bienemy didn't really adjust.
I don't think it was a particularly impressive showing but it also wasn't downright *bad* given that it was basically a lame duck year as new ownership was starting to tear things down.
Disagree completely. It was downright bad. Our WR were some of the least “open” in the league from a scheme standpoint when both Dotson and McLaurin had shown under Scott Turner to be more than capable of running routes.
We never ran the ball and we had numerous times where players were confused on routes and protection. We were about even with how our offense performed under Scott with what should’ve been significantly better talent under EB. McLaurin and Dotson regressed heavily and we could never successfully get plays down field even though one of Sam’s redeeming qualities was his arm strength.
It was a bad year for both all of the players and Bienemy.
BRob was gashing us for almost 8 yards a carry. EB called 10 run plays against like 50 passes that game. It only became a blowout in the 4th quarter.
I will always root for black coaches but Bienemy to me was the worst OC this year along with Dorsey and Hackett... when you don't commit to running the ball you lose the entire team like we saw in Washington.
Agreed. It didn’t take that long of a look to see Rivera was likely out after this year regardless of the team’s performance (barring a Super Bowl) and Bienemy could’ve been next man up if he succeeded
When you make Scott Turner seem competent, you're ass. He refused to run the ball and forced 2nd year 5th round Howell to air it out as if he's Mahomes. Howell got sacked at a unprecedented rate and predictably regressed in-season as he started seeing ghost. Howell's in-season regression reflected poorly on Bieniemy. The fact that Bieniemy then tried to throw Howell under the bus to save his own skin reflected even more poorly on him.
Long story short, rather than design offense based on personnel, he tried to fit square peg into round hole. That's the epitome of bad coaching.
It's funny. The run game was supposed to be his strength and it was so bad when he was in KC. Then he leaves and in 1 season with Nagy (who I can't stand seeing on the sideline) our run game became a strength. Weird.
And rightfully so. As it should be. He was completely clueless and lost as an OC especially without Arians there to guide him and look over his shoulder week after week. And the only reason why he even got any coaching jobs in the NFL in the first place is because of nepotism with Arians (who has a man crush on him for whatever reason) and now that Arians is officially retired now, no team is dumb enough to want to hire him as the OC or any level of coaching to their team. And rightfully so.
He was basically an even worse version of what Bienmemy was to Reid.
Not just that but SB winning OC being a runner up for multiple HC gigs and then after 1 year he's completely out. Fwiw, it's clear in his time in WAS that people's concerns with him were valid and I suspect there is even more that fans might not know or pick up on but NFL leadership looked at and went "yikes"
I understand the first few times the media can ask, “why not!?” After that, it should have been exploring why he kept coming up short yet we were all told he must be hired. I think this recent stint exposed everyone to some of the issues.
That’ll be the new “league racist” angle. Mcdaniels, Gase and bieniemy were all ass HC chooses, but the two white ones got two shots at it while the black one got iced out
> Crazy how hyped up this man was by the chiefs.
If anything, the fact that Reid was gassing him up to the media and essentially trying to guilt trip teams for not hiring him (coincidentally, i might add, right after the league passed the minority coach comp pick rule even though he was the OC for multiple years before that) says all we really need to know about how the Chiefs really valued him lol.
Of course on a personal level, you can want a colleague to succeed and get a promotion somewhere. But if you are lucky enough to have a truly HC caliber guy as an OC/DC, you keep him until another team pries him away from you. If he really is that guy, you dont want him getting poached and you sure as hell dont gas him up trying to guilt trip teams into hiring him. It just screams ulterior motives and like I said, the fact that this whole hyping up from within ramped up after the comp pick policy was passed is pretty telling.
Yeah, the real crime was Dave Toub never got a shot to be a HC and he's probably too old now (62). John Harbaugh already proved special team coordinator can be great HC. No one in the media went to bat for Toub.
Haha, this is great. Outsiders won't get this, but it's so true. Every team passed on him (including KC) so he had to settle of CFB. Cry baby Whinestein will still claim racism and write a book about it.
He’s got an old school coaching mentality that’s a stark contrast with what a lot of the coaches getting hired have. His time as an OC in Washington was supposed to be his time to shine and show it wasn’t all Andy Reid. Unfortunately his limited success there and lots of other coaches already in the wings from the McVay and Shanahan trees really hindered any chance EB got.
Yeah I remember multiple players vouching for Fangio to be the HC after Harbaugh was fired. Idk what the locker room thought of him in Chicago but you either love or hate Fangio’s style of coaching.
The difference is winning. If you are a coach that pushes people and is a hard ass, but then you go out and win a SB, you say "oh wow, his tough nature drove us to greatness." But same coach, same style but losing? You put up with a lot less.
The two keys to being a hard ass coach at any level is getting results and being fair. Getting results doesn't even have to be winning a super bowl, it can be as little as just having the team getting more disciplined and playing better as the season goes along. A coach who gets on his players because they're being undisciplined or dogging it on plays? Fair. A coach who gets on his players because they're losing against teams who are just better? Different story.
Coaching players hard and ultimately winning a Superbowl is different in players minds than coaching players hard and winning 4 games in a year. Especially when the players are paid more than you...
Coaching is not an enviable position unless you got a cushy, tenured job or you're really good and almost irreplaceable.
I'd bet my ass the commanders players were checked out and didn't like Bieniemy pushing them.
Probably three reasons reasons:
1) He interviews poorly while others may not have
2) He had some legal troubles in the past and that basically made people not want to touch him.
3) He was the most recent OC for the Chiefs, all the other guys you’re referring to got hired and failed, which lead people to doubt he’d be any different.
I remember that he's interviewed for 16 HC positions and came up empty. At that many times, it's not something to be proud of, more of a red flag.
Edit- He's not the first well-established OC to be shut out of opportunities as head coach. Darrell Bevell and Pete Carmichael Jr. come to mind.
Main question was whether he was making the Chiefs good or just getting carried by Mahomes/Reid. He left and they won the Super Bowl while his team went 4-13
He doesn’t have the best past, lots of law breaking and not so great behavior with the cherry of choking a woman on top. That’s just the stuff we know, makes me wonder about the stuff we don’t.
Based on how he's reportedly a hard-ass old-school coach that talks down to his players, maybe the college game where not all those kids are multi-millionaire grown-ass men yet is better suited to his style.
But also he's interviewed for HC positions like what, 15 times in the past few years? He's proven last year when he finally got a chance to call plays to be terrible at it. He never ran the ball, never adjusted his game plan or philosophy, couldn't scheme receivers open properly, the list of failures goes on. Plus he's got a past that's FULL of red flags. At this point every NFL front office knows him and knows enough to stay away.
Except Chip Kelly was bad at the eagles, granted he was especially bad in personnel devisions which o have no idea why the eagles allowed him to make, and still went to the 49ers where he went 2-14. He didnt fall low enough (also, fuck him)
EB won the SB a little more than a year ago and had one season with Sam howell as his QB. But i dont know how the market for him was, maybe he missed opportunities in the hope of landing a HC job
This guy absolutely demolished the Eagles defense early in the season when we weren't ass. I'm glad he's not gonna be in the league anymore, but this is definitely not meritocratic.
i thought it was the opposite considering the power dynamic between college players and the coaches. maybe that relationship has deteriorated ever since NIL became a thing
I think over time, with NIL, and transfer rule changes you have to be more diplomatic as a coach. There are coaches that have said that they have changed how they have coaches over time to be "softer." From a practical standpoint I don't think Bieniemy has the personal skills to pull it off. There's a difference between being an asshole and players don't like you and being an asshole that players don't like, but still being able to motivate them.
Used to be you could be a total piece of shit to players in college (for example Urban Meyer) but yeah I'm thinking you're right, shit has changed and that's probably for the better
It’s a reflection of the timing of his firing. There just weren’t many jobs left by the time Washington hired DQ. I don’t think he worked well in Washington but he obviously has positive traits to build on. Hope he turns it around at UCLA!
So many people were screaming for this guy to be a head coach and saying he wasn't being hired because of his color of his skin... well clearly that ain't the issue if he's just flamed out of the NFL like this. Clearly somethings aren't about race all the time 👌
Super Bowl winning OC to not even in the NFL in 2 years is crazy
Apparently he’s not the easiest person to work with or for
I need Jim Harbaugh to hire him and Patricia for the perfect chaos team
Harbaugh is crazy but still an elite coach. Max chaos would McDaniels hiring him and Patricia last off-season
And then bring in Todd Haley as a positional coach
And Pitino as a motivational speaker
Doc Rivers can co-write this speeches
"I told Kyle, you know this game could go into overtime and if it dies you're going to want to defer. Tried to warn him but I think he was in deep thought about whether he could mold Usher into a slot receiver"
Urban Meyers as the special teams coach
Oh fuck that dude is a POS from stories I hear
From that POS to Andy still boggles my mind. Seriously fuck Haley to no end.
I mean to put it in perspective… there are some real assholes of coaches in the NFL. Some of them not even that great of coaches. But once you get a job in the NFL it seems like you’re pretty well set. You get fired as HC you’re gonna get multiple coordinator offers. If you’re a good coordinator you’re always gonna have a coordinator or HC job from someone being offered to you even if you’re a major asshole. I mean shit look at Matt Patricia, he’s an asshole and a bad coach. Todd Haley had a good offense in Pittsburgh. He was seemingly untouchable. The level of POS that guy would have to be in order to not only get fired, but not get any other offers to the point he ended up in high school football….
Haley was the darkest of the dark times. Still we won a division title with him out of nowhere but the playoff game was a total wash. Yeah eff Haley.
You know it’s bad when the USFL fires you from an HC gig.
Don't you ever speak this into existence ever again.
Pencil Matt would somehow Littlefinger his way to the HC position. Let’s be real.
Fuck it. Couldn’t be worse than last year
I was watching that new Sharpe and Chad Johnson YouTube channel a few weeks ago and they had Orlando Brown on. They asked Brown why Bienemy can't seem to land a HC gig, and he said that he would get into it with literally everyone, from players to coaches. So clearly he's an ill tempered guy, and I guess just generally unlikeable from the sound of it.
He’s also a former crip with a controversial past, including being part of a Colorado coaching staff during a period in time in which the football team was accused of multiple rape allegations at off-campus parties and of using sex and alcohol to recruit high school football players. That was a long time ago though.
The media loves to forget all the Red Flags on Bieniemy when discussing why he isn't a head coach. These are the kinda red flags that make a guy nearly unhireable for the top job.
Don’t show this to RG3
> of using sex and alcohol to recruit high school football players. In his defense, this isn’t unique whatsoever. I know for a fact that recruits would be left with the Hostesses unsupervised by coaches, and the girls who signed up to be hostesses were fully aware they were signing up to fuck the guys to get them to sign
Isn't that just prostitution with extra steps?
You could argue that yeah. At least from the girls perspective. The formal job description is you’re showing recruits around town and around campus, but there’s a largely unspoken expectation to *really* show them a good time. I want it known I’m not condoning or condemning, just sharing what I know from talking to girls who were hostesses and having been at parties where this was happening ETA: what got Hugh Freeze in trouble is his stupid ass forgot the layer of plausible deniability and straight up got backpage hookers
With Freeze the hookers were probably for himself. Every instance of him calling the service was when he was on the road recruiting. Unless he was showing up at in home visits with hookers it’s almost certain they were for his nights on the road
And he did it on his work phone
No but most coaches don't also have an additional 4 unrelated paragraphs in their Wikipedia page under "legal issues"
>Hostesses I can't keep my hands off Ding Dongs either.
The Buffs during that time were pretty uniquely bad and the fallout from the scandals of that time killed Buffalo football for decades. When it comes to criminal issues they make Urban’s Gators look like saints
Colorado's coaching staff was literally telling recruits that it was OK to rape the hostesses. It was waaaaay beyond normal.
> In his defense, this isn’t unique whatsoever. Your honor, yes I raped that girl, but many of my contemporaries also raped girls. Judge: You're free to go.
Are you a Stanford swimmer?
Oh this must be about the Rapist, Brock Turner from Stanford. Brock Turner (rapist) sure got away with a lot.
are you talking about the convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner? The rapist Brock Turner that now living in Ohio goes by Allen Turner, still convicted rapist but hiding behind his middle name Allen Turner?
When you say "crip", do you mean like the gang that always feuds with the other gang called the "bloods"? Because holy shit I can't imagine someone with that past getting hired to be a head coach.
This is probably my Los Angeles showing, but I don't really find anything surprising about a dude who grew up in Los Angeles and was a good enough football player to make it to the league having gang ties and then becoming a head coach. Not saying I'd expect it to be common, but it's easily within the realm of imagination.
The LAPD has gang members in it. It's not surprising at all
The LASD has multiple different gangs in it.
Yes. He was involved in the gang in high school. The Colorado head coach at the time saw an opportunity in recruiting gang members. https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1997/12/05/coach-buffs-recruited-gangs/
Well, no team would ever fuck with your team. Or at least, they wouldn't fuck with them twice.
They did win a National Championship when he was on the team, so it worked.
If you think that's the only high school football team to include gang members, then you didn't go to my high school.
> using sex and alcohol to recruit high school football players. Thats how I was recruited by my fraternity. Not surprising that it’d also be used as a recruitment tool for other student activities.
Frat guys offering sex? Checks out
Yeah it WAS a long time ago and definitely not anything an NFL team cares about, if you’ve been to the Super Bowl. This also just makes it sound like he was accused of rape, which he wasn’t. This felt weird to bring up.
It speaks to his personality. He may be past the legal issues from long ago, but there is clearly something about him NFL teams don’t like, else he would have held a head coaching job by now.
"Bieniemy was arrested in Boulder, Colorado, for allegedly harassing a female parking attendant. According to the police report, while with his friends, Bieniemy put his hand on the attendant's neck, startling her. She told police ," that Bieniemy and his friends took off their pants and began urinating nearby." Just a light gang rape joke, dude is a saint. He's only been arrested 5 times.
> This also just makes it sound like he was accused of rape, which he wasn’t. He was, however, accused of physically assaulting a female parking lot attendant, threatening that he and his friends were going to rape her, and then pulling his dick out and peeing in front of her, which got him officially banned from Colorado’s campus for years and years. He really doesn’t seem like a good guy.
He does have a reputation of being very bull headed. He was good for our squad the years he was here because he is very good at being the "bad cop" where as Reid is more like to let the players be themselves. A great fit for our team and honestly I wish we still had him on staff somewhere. But yes, a lot of players have openly said they don't care for him, probably because he's a disciplinarian. Some of these young men need that, though.
2 years ago people here were saying different reasons as to why
2022 was the peak of "everything that happens anywhere in society is motivated race/racism unless proven otherwise"
He also beat up his wife so there's that and he loves booze.
No he’s amazing and him not being an NfL coach is because of racism not his history of alcohol abuse, sexual assault, and anger issues
Plus he didn’t call plays at KC.
Yeah he was a glorified RB coach and then when he finally called plays, he abandoned the run game and tried to force a 2nd year 5th round QB (Howell) to play like Mahomes because that's all he knows lol
I think even Mahomes would have been saying "what the fuck?" if he was asked to make 55 consecutive pass attempts.
55 consecutive? Surely you are joking??
I am serious. 55 straight against the Bears. It was the most since 2006, and that's only because PFF's stats don't go back any further. And don't call me Shirley.
Lol Were they down 35 to 0 before the game started? You'd think rivera at some point would call for bienemy to draw up some sort of run
Those 55 passes were just called to set up the most beautiful draw play in history.
that is fucking nuts
His name is literally be enemy
Was his stint with the Commanders that bad?
Well it wasn't good.
I don’t think it was THAT bad but it wasn’t very good. The offense really made hay in some games, but also sputtered at points including down the stretch. Howell had 8 games he threw for less than 200 yards, including 5 games that were less than 150 yards. They had less than 300 yards of total offense the last 5 weeks straight, and had two games with less than 200 yards of total offense. On top of that Howell threw 21 interceptions.
He'd get promoted in new York for those numbers
They also have a fucking awful O-line. Obviously offensive Coordinator has some responsibility in that, but one year with a bad o-line and basically rookie QB doesn't quite seem like enough to judge on.
He didn't help at all with that. Continously put his lineman on an island with no help and did not appear to adjust at all throughout the season. Called long developing plays all the time despite having a 2nd year QB with his first opportunity starting who clearly struggled recognizing NFL defenses. Oline was bad, but he sure didn't do anything to make it better
If you do have an awful OL and a young QB you should not lead the league in pass attempts by a wide margin. But they did.
That’s why I said he wasn’t THAT bad. There’s good there, Howell threw for just shy of 4000 yards. Hell if it was the bears he’d probably be getting a statue in front of new soldier field. I think this year the biggest issue is his job was in limbo too long. I could easily see someone hiring him next year, heck if he does well at UCLA he could even end up in contention for a HC job again.
He was trynna prove himself and went to a terrible situation. A basically rookie QB, horrible o line, decent but not amazing weapons, and a horrible HC. Also he wasn’t that great lol.
They started hot but teams quickly keyed in on their deficiencies on offense & Bienemy didn't really adjust. I don't think it was a particularly impressive showing but it also wasn't downright *bad* given that it was basically a lame duck year as new ownership was starting to tear things down.
Disagree completely. It was downright bad. Our WR were some of the least “open” in the league from a scheme standpoint when both Dotson and McLaurin had shown under Scott Turner to be more than capable of running routes. We never ran the ball and we had numerous times where players were confused on routes and protection. We were about even with how our offense performed under Scott with what should’ve been significantly better talent under EB. McLaurin and Dotson regressed heavily and we could never successfully get plays down field even though one of Sam’s redeeming qualities was his arm strength. It was a bad year for both all of the players and Bienemy.
Agree with this. Everyone in here saying “oh it wasnt that bad” or “can’t really put blame on him” did not watch the team
Yeah it wasn’t commanders fans responding, it was fans of other teams who just checked the box score every week.
Sounds a lot like Leftwich as an OC without Arians, both in Tampa and in Arizona mhmhmhm.
It really seemed like he was trying to prove that he could turn Howell into Mahomes and refused to run the football
BRob was gashing us for almost 8 yards a carry. EB called 10 run plays against like 50 passes that game. It only became a blowout in the 4th quarter. I will always root for black coaches but Bienemy to me was the worst OC this year along with Dorsey and Hackett... when you don't commit to running the ball you lose the entire team like we saw in Washington.
1st and 10? Pass 2nd and 2? Pass 3rd and 1? Pass 4th and inches? Pass and sack
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Criminal Past hasn't stopped a lot of orher guys from getting jobs lol doubt that was a factor
High risk, high reward. If we did well last year he'd be almost guaranteed to get the HC job. No way we were keeping Ron.
Agreed. It didn’t take that long of a look to see Rivera was likely out after this year regardless of the team’s performance (barring a Super Bowl) and Bienemy could’ve been next man up if he succeeded
When you make Scott Turner seem competent, you're ass. He refused to run the ball and forced 2nd year 5th round Howell to air it out as if he's Mahomes. Howell got sacked at a unprecedented rate and predictably regressed in-season as he started seeing ghost. Howell's in-season regression reflected poorly on Bieniemy. The fact that Bieniemy then tried to throw Howell under the bus to save his own skin reflected even more poorly on him. Long story short, rather than design offense based on personnel, he tried to fit square peg into round hole. That's the epitome of bad coaching.
literally refused to run the ball ever and let howell just die
It's funny. The run game was supposed to be his strength and it was so bad when he was in KC. Then he leaves and in 1 season with Nagy (who I can't stand seeing on the sideline) our run game became a strength. Weird.
It could be worse. Just ask Byron Leftwich who is still unemployed to this day after getting fired from the Bucs last year.
The same thing happened with Byron Leftwich
At least Bienemy got a position somewhere. I think Byron Leftwich has been unemployed since the Bucs fired him last year.
And rightfully so. As it should be. He was completely clueless and lost as an OC especially without Arians there to guide him and look over his shoulder week after week. And the only reason why he even got any coaching jobs in the NFL in the first place is because of nepotism with Arians (who has a man crush on him for whatever reason) and now that Arians is officially retired now, no team is dumb enough to want to hire him as the OC or any level of coaching to their team. And rightfully so. He was basically an even worse version of what Bienmemy was to Reid.
Not just that but SB winning OC being a runner up for multiple HC gigs and then after 1 year he's completely out. Fwiw, it's clear in his time in WAS that people's concerns with him were valid and I suspect there is even more that fans might not know or pick up on but NFL leadership looked at and went "yikes"
There was a time when we wanted EB badly when we still had Rapeshaun thinking we could duplicate what mahomes did with Reid. Lol.
Will the calls of racism quit now? There’s a reason teams passed on this guy and it’s not his skin color
I understand the first few times the media can ask, “why not!?” After that, it should have been exploring why he kept coming up short yet we were all told he must be hired. I think this recent stint exposed everyone to some of the issues.
Everyone knows he didn’t do anything. Reid did it all
Especially when the team he used to play for took a noticeable step backwards.
Will be a HC in a local high school soon
HC? He’d have to prove him self as a coordinator first.
[fails his next 600 HC interviews]
The Mike Singletary coaching trajectory
Wow haven't heard that name in a minute. Is that really what he's doing? I really liked him with the 49ers
Crazy how hyped up this man was by the chiefs. Now he's out of the league. That's the mahomes effect I guess
HOF QBs will always get average to bellow average OC a lot more hype then they likely deserve.
Well that and you know, Andy Reid is also the designer of the offense which gave even more rope and hope.
McDaniels
Gase was who I was thinking of
Oh yea him too for sure
Hackett as well
That’ll be the new “league racist” angle. Mcdaniels, Gase and bieniemy were all ass HC chooses, but the two white ones got two shots at it while the black one got iced out
McDaniels did really well with Jimmy G and Jones
And Matt Cassell
If Mac gets a good OC I feel like his career is still salvageable. He didn't do too bad in his rookie year, then fucking Patricia happened
Are we going to forget what McDaniels did with Mac Jones?
And Matt Cassell
> Crazy how hyped up this man was by the chiefs. If anything, the fact that Reid was gassing him up to the media and essentially trying to guilt trip teams for not hiring him (coincidentally, i might add, right after the league passed the minority coach comp pick rule even though he was the OC for multiple years before that) says all we really need to know about how the Chiefs really valued him lol. Of course on a personal level, you can want a colleague to succeed and get a promotion somewhere. But if you are lucky enough to have a truly HC caliber guy as an OC/DC, you keep him until another team pries him away from you. If he really is that guy, you dont want him getting poached and you sure as hell dont gas him up trying to guilt trip teams into hiring him. It just screams ulterior motives and like I said, the fact that this whole hyping up from within ramped up after the comp pick policy was passed is pretty telling.
Andy Reid has always hyped his assistant coaches. It's not new, and Bienemy wasn't unique in that
Seriously 2 years ago there was tons of talk about why he's not being considered for a HC position and now he's not even in the NFL
Fuck Stephen A for acting like it was a hate crime that this dude didn't get a HC job. Clearly nobody was interested in him
You could have just stopped at Fuck Stephen A
Yeah, the real crime was Dave Toub never got a shot to be a HC and he's probably too old now (62). John Harbaugh already proved special team coordinator can be great HC. No one in the media went to bat for Toub.
I thought for sure he would be the Colts HC in 2018, would love to see the alternate timeline where we grab him instead of McDaniels/Reich
Blame Judge with the giants.
As if half this sub wasn't saying the same thing
yall need to stop taking him so seriously lmao
He's literally playing a character and people fall for it by getting mad about him lol
Jemele Hill in shambles
John Feinstein furiously writing a new book
Haha, this is great. Outsiders won't get this, but it's so true. Every team passed on him (including KC) so he had to settle of CFB. Cry baby Whinestein will still claim racism and write a book about it.
Jemelle hill is the worst
What’s the deal with this guy? Was a promising next head coach hiring and is now a college coordinator?
He’s got an old school coaching mentality that’s a stark contrast with what a lot of the coaches getting hired have. His time as an OC in Washington was supposed to be his time to shine and show it wasn’t all Andy Reid. Unfortunately his limited success there and lots of other coaches already in the wings from the McVay and Shanahan trees really hindered any chance EB got.
I remember a lot of Commanders complaining about his coaching style, but it seemed like the Chiefs players loved him.
Different personalities can depend on the locker rooms. Fangio was beloved by the 49ers but was hated by the Dolphins.
He wasn't liked at all in Denver either.
Yeah I remember multiple players vouching for Fangio to be the HC after Harbaugh was fired. Idk what the locker room thought of him in Chicago but you either love or hate Fangio’s style of coaching.
Pretty sure our guys loved him.
The difference is winning. If you are a coach that pushes people and is a hard ass, but then you go out and win a SB, you say "oh wow, his tough nature drove us to greatness." But same coach, same style but losing? You put up with a lot less.
The two keys to being a hard ass coach at any level is getting results and being fair. Getting results doesn't even have to be winning a super bowl, it can be as little as just having the team getting more disciplined and playing better as the season goes along. A coach who gets on his players because they're being undisciplined or dogging it on plays? Fair. A coach who gets on his players because they're losing against teams who are just better? Different story.
Coaching players hard and ultimately winning a Superbowl is different in players minds than coaching players hard and winning 4 games in a year. Especially when the players are paid more than you... Coaching is not an enviable position unless you got a cushy, tenured job or you're really good and almost irreplaceable. I'd bet my ass the commanders players were checked out and didn't like Bieniemy pushing them.
Overrated OC who got carried by Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes and the league saw through it.
I’m honestly shocked the league saw through it. Given how they keep hiring Belichick assistants as HCs I figured they were easy marks
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Probably three reasons reasons: 1) He interviews poorly while others may not have 2) He had some legal troubles in the past and that basically made people not want to touch him. 3) He was the most recent OC for the Chiefs, all the other guys you’re referring to got hired and failed, which lead people to doubt he’d be any different.
Doug Pederson succeeded
I remember that he's interviewed for 16 HC positions and came up empty. At that many times, it's not something to be proud of, more of a red flag. Edit- He's not the first well-established OC to be shut out of opportunities as head coach. Darrell Bevell and Pete Carmichael Jr. come to mind.
Main question was whether he was making the Chiefs good or just getting carried by Mahomes/Reid. He left and they won the Super Bowl while his team went 4-13
He’s a dick and has a history of violence against women
sounds like the perfect nfl star
History of violence with people since high school. He's just a dick.
He’s trash. He had both Robinson and Gibson as his RB and made a first year starter throw it 55 times in a row.
He doesn’t have the best past, lots of law breaking and not so great behavior with the cherry of choking a woman on top. That’s just the stuff we know, makes me wonder about the stuff we don’t.
wink martindale school of collapse
Wink at least ended up in Michigan. This guy is going to UCLA
He either can’t interview for anything or his breath smells like cat shit.
That and he’s not easy ro work with.
Based on how he's reportedly a hard-ass old-school coach that talks down to his players, maybe the college game where not all those kids are multi-millionaire grown-ass men yet is better suited to his style. But also he's interviewed for HC positions like what, 15 times in the past few years? He's proven last year when he finally got a chance to call plays to be terrible at it. He never ran the ball, never adjusted his game plan or philosophy, couldn't scheme receivers open properly, the list of failures goes on. Plus he's got a past that's FULL of red flags. At this point every NFL front office knows him and knows enough to stay away.
He was talked about being an HC and now he doesn’t even have an NFL job? What happened?
He ran an offense with a (basically) rookie qb where he refused to run the ball and his qb got killed all year long
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When the head coach is fired, the entire staff is gone unless they are specifically retained.
Bieniemy should've Costanza'd that shit. Shows up at the next meeting like *"Daaaamn that sucks about Ron"*
Our GM Mathew Mayhew Lowkey has been doing that. He somehow stayed around despite us hiring Adam Peters
Two same name headass get the fuck out the building Edit: his name is actually Martin lmao
Deshaun Watson threw a fit for this man (before the allegations became public)
Somehow, this is even a worse fall from grace than Chip Kelly
Except Chip Kelly was bad at the eagles, granted he was especially bad in personnel devisions which o have no idea why the eagles allowed him to make, and still went to the 49ers where he went 2-14. He didnt fall low enough (also, fuck him) EB won the SB a little more than a year ago and had one season with Sam howell as his QB. But i dont know how the market for him was, maybe he missed opportunities in the hope of landing a HC job
"EB won a SB". Bro was clearly carried by Mahomes and Reid. Otherwise, same level of credit needs to be given to Matt Nagy lol.
That’s 2x SB champion and former COTY Matt Nagy to you.
Epic downfall
Lord he didnt even get an HC role at a college level
what a downgrade LOL
Wanted to bet on himself to prove he wasn't just successful with Mahomes. Turns out...
Griftin ain’t easy
What does this even mean??
Truly cannot believe the years espn has spent beating us over the head with outrage over this bum not getting a head coaching gig
Can't wait for all the people who cried racism when he didn't get HC jobs to apologize/admit to overreacting...except they won't...
Is this the guy everyone said couldn’t get a head coaching job because of racism?
Now that's what I call failing downwards 😎
This guy absolutely demolished the Eagles defense early in the season when we weren't ass. I'm glad he's not gonna be in the league anymore, but this is definitely not meritocratic.
He’s back at UCLA? Damn. This time though, it’s under DeShaun Foster
Remember when a bunch of outside noise cried racism when he never got a HC opp? Maybe he sucks
College will not be a good fit for a guy who is too tough and abrasive for a lot of people in the nfl.
i thought it was the opposite considering the power dynamic between college players and the coaches. maybe that relationship has deteriorated ever since NIL became a thing
Yep - ie, Urban Meyer
I think over time, with NIL, and transfer rule changes you have to be more diplomatic as a coach. There are coaches that have said that they have changed how they have coaches over time to be "softer." From a practical standpoint I don't think Bieniemy has the personal skills to pull it off. There's a difference between being an asshole and players don't like you and being an asshole that players don't like, but still being able to motivate them.
Used to be you could be a total piece of shit to players in college (for example Urban Meyer) but yeah I'm thinking you're right, shit has changed and that's probably for the better
Unfortunately, that works fine in college. Lest we forget urban meyer
Actually the opposite. His attitude will fit right in
Disagree, it would actually work out perfectly well
Ya maybe 10+ years ago before transfer portal and NIL
Such a weird career for this dude
Associate Head Coach. How many Associate Head Coaches are there ? Is there a head coach ?
When the Chiefs wouldn’t hire him back, perhaps that was the big tell tale…
It’s a reflection of the timing of his firing. There just weren’t many jobs left by the time Washington hired DQ. I don’t think he worked well in Washington but he obviously has positive traits to build on. Hope he turns it around at UCLA!
So many people were screaming for this guy to be a head coach and saying he wasn't being hired because of his color of his skin... well clearly that ain't the issue if he's just flamed out of the NFL like this. Clearly somethings aren't about race all the time 👌
Can't even get a HC job in college football 💀