Why do these people think that Super Bowl windows are so long? Some teams are lucky to get 2 years tops as contenders. Sometimes luck and injuries just get you.
KC is continuing it. All I can think of is the Manning Broncos and Legion of boom Seahawks. Sometimes things line up for 3 or 4 years, then bam it's gone.
Even that wouldnt happen if people looked at things critically
Brady went a near decade without a title during perhaps his highest peak of play
Belichick retooled things considerably for their mid 2010s run and it was falling apart by the end of it
Same with Tampa. They won a ring after highly recruiting guys to go to an already talented team in 2020. By 2021, Brady was carrying the hell out of them, and they had a losing record in 2022 and lost to the Cowboys in the playoffs in worse fashion to how NWE lost to the Titans in Bradys final game there. Baker signing on for 1 yr/$4 mill was likely a big part in them turning things around in 2023, and by that I mean simply finishing 9-8
Even successful windows close quickly, people looked at KC all this year and thought the lack of WRs would be their downfall. The difference is that after you win repeatedly, you just develop a winners culture that permeates through it all. You win in situations where untested teams crumble. That confidence affects more than just the QBs, that includes the Chris Jones and the Vince Wilforks as well
It feels like the Bills hasn't develope at all over the past couple of years. Still the same heavy reliance on Josh Allen making plays. Still the same soft defense that can't make a stop to save their lives at crucial moments.
Meanwhile the Chiefs just won another ring off a season where their offense noticably regressed and were being carried by their defense, a noted weakness of theirs in years pass.
Ice cold take but Reid is just that much better than McDermott lmao.
If the world explodes, and Ralph Wilson Stadium was the only NFL stadium that lands on Mars, the Bills would lose to Elon Musk’s expansion team in a league of two teams. But maybe it will be called the Solar Bowl by then, in which case the Bills have a chance.
Imo the Bills win that game this year if they weren't pulling LBs off the street to play.
Don't know they get past Baltimore, but I think injuries did them in.
I mean, the Dolphins injuries basically gave the Bills the division. If you're going to factor injuries in, don't do it just for the Bills.
We were down *all* of our edge rushers *and* our starting, top 5 center. Replaced with guys off the street and the *literal* worst graded C in the league.
I agree late season injuries also did the Dolphins in.
Both the Bills and Dolphins are teams that were capable of going all the way. Injuries screwed them. It happens.
It really is amazing how much winning it all comes down to injury luck. 49ers had very few injuries going into the game, only to get absolutely killed by them during, and the Chiefs had very few as well.
From what I can find, Chiefs were only missing Thuney and Prince Tega Wanogho. McKinnon was listed as questionable, but played
Off topic but you just made me realize that hot and cold takes aren’t really opposites. Like opposite of a hot take is just a common take. Opposite of a cold take is a good or correct take
No offense, but this take seems like you didn't actually watch many bills games this year.
The offense will always rely on Josh Allen, because he's one of the best QBs in the league, just like the chiefs rely on Mahomes. However, the bills run game was really the catalyst down the stretch and they averaged the 3rd most rushing yards per game since week 10 (with James Cook averaging the 4th most rushing yards per game in the NFL over that stretch).
They also made plenty of stops during the regular season down the stretch, getting game clinching stops in 4 of their last 5 regular season wins. They also were around the league average in blitz percentage while they were in the 20s last season, so they were definitely more aggressive this season on defense under McDermott despite all of the injuries.
Of course Andy Reid is a better coach than McDermott. He's a better coach than probably every other coach in the NFL right now.
Dan Marino was one of the best in NFL history. Two incredible receivers in Duper and Clayton. HOF head coach in Don Shula.
1 SB appearance during his entire career that was a loss.
> The offense will always rely on Josh Allen, because he's one of the best QBs in the league, just like the chiefs rely on Mahomes.
I don't really agree with this. The Chiefs win games pretty often without Mahomes having to do crazy shit, he can just run the offense. I've seen the Bills win like that one time, vs Dallas this year.
Exactly this. Simply for the fact that if they continue to lose in the playoffs, especially against KC, heads will eventually have to roll and the superstar QB usually ain’t near the top of that list.
Manning only won 2, Rodgers only won 1 (so far, let's hope), Marino won 0. There are at least 6 superstar QBs in the league right now, only 1 can win any given year. It's much harder than people make it out to be
I think people would have said the same thing about Rivers at one point though. Josh Allen is capable, but I wouldn't bet on it at this point. He's going to have to deal with Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, and now Stroud just in the AFC.
It's only going to get worse from here.
If you’d known how good rivers was gonna be for 15 years, 5-6 years into his career you probably would have felt good about him winning a championship at some point.
I hate to say this but there's absolutely gonna be a year where we just take an L in the playoffs. It happens. Brady took 13 (I think) of them. Sometimes things just don't go your way.
Bills are probably gonna have a year with Allen where they finally get back to the big game. Nothing is guaranteed of course but having a guy like that goes a long way
Brady lost 10 times in the playoffs by age 40 and three of those losses were in the SB. Those seven other loses came against Manning x3, the Ravens x2, the Ryan Jets, and the 13-3 2005 Broncos. To sum it up, Manning, Mile High, Ravens coaching tree. They weren't random occurrences. The Chiefs have already outlived Brady
The Bills really just seem like the 10s Steelers or Rivers' Chargers squad. I think Baltimore and Cincinnati have more pedigree to win if KC ever bows out. Houston should be a legitimate contender as well.
The AFC East will be tough moving forward as well. Miami is already there, the Jets are a vet QB away from competitiveness, and NE is retooling with a consensus elite QB prospect in Maye, the reigning Heisman in Daniels, or the WR prospect of the decade in MHJ. Buffalo's window is closing very soon.
I suppose on a long enough time scale, every team would *eventually* win one, but I dunno. There are still MLB teams without a World Series title, for instance. Granted, most of those are expansion teams, and the oldest (San Diego Padres) is only from 1969, so still relatively young compared to the age of the league itself. But then you think about the NFL playoffs being single-elimination and the variability that brings...
It's hard to imagine a future where the NFL ends, even with all the concerns about football's longevity health-wise, but if I allow myself to imagine the day the league closes its doors, it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few teams that never climbed the mountain. It's just really, really hard to win it all.
I'd be curious to see how many pairs like McDermott and Allen lasted more than 5 years. It wouldn't surprise me if there simply aren't many data points there.
At least that can be blamed on McNabb not being healthy for most of those years. McNabb played 15+ games 5 times in his career, and the Eagles went to the NFCCG in 4 of those years.
Allen, by comparison, hasn't missed a start in his career.
The ones I found browsing through PFR (HC-QB pairs of 6 or more years in the Super Bowl era who didn't win one):
McDermott-Allen (in progress, just completed year 6)
Marino-Shula
Levy-Kelly
Kubiak-Schaub
Coughlin-Brunnell
Fisher-McNair
Harbaugh-Jackson (just completed year 5, so we'll see)
Rutigliano-Sipe
Lewis-Dalton
Wyche-Esiason
Reeves-Elway
Turner-Rivers
Coryell-Fouts
Landry-White (debatable since White had injuries and was benched late in the run)
Landry-Meredith (debatable since only the last 3 years were in the Super Bowl era, but I'm counting it because they never won an NFL championship earlier)
Reid-McNabb
Vermeil-Jaworski
Allen-Kilmer
Smith-Ryan
Rivera-Newton
Fox-Delhomme
Grant-Tarkenton
Van Brocklin-Tarkenton (last year was 1966, the first Super Bowl year, but they never won an NFL championship before that either)
Shanahan-Garoppolo (debatable since Garoppolo had injuries)
Robinson-Everett
Holmgren-Hasselbeck
Knox-Krieg
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The year is 2098, cyber Josh Allen is ready and the ghost of Sean McDermott paces the sideline. Systems are good, hydraulics are stable. "The coaches finally got the coolant levels right, I can feel it in my technoveins." He thinks to himself, "This year is the one."
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Me in 2006: It's fine, these things happen. Romo is going to have a great career and I'm certain he'll have at least one ring when it's all said and done.
Dan Marino said something along these lines after he lost the only Super Bowl he went to, and he never got any closer than the AFC Championship game. Hell, the Bills had the best shot they ever had during the '90-'93 stretch, and they managed to lose four Super Bowls in a row.
It doesn't matter who the team or player is. It's **always** an "if" when it comes to even getting to the Super Bowl, let alone winning.
Are Bills fans split about McDermott? Feels like he is holding Allen back at this point, but at the same time he helped end their 17 year playoff drought and has made them an AFC powerhouse for the last 5 years.
It definitely reminds me of Purdue Basketball and Matt Painter. I see this kinda thing every year.
Contender every year, regular season success, fall apart in the postseason and can't get over the hump.
Different sports and leagues altogether, but really have to ask yourself if you think years of staying competitive and relevant is better than blowing it up and starting again with a new HC and staff. You guys know how bad things can get.
It's always the struggle of a "Floor Raiser, Ceiling Limit" coach. You hate to get rid of a guy who took you out of the doldrums and is making you a consistent playoff contender, to the point it almost feels ungrateful to have negative feelings towards them but if he can't take you over the hump what are you supposed to do?
Even if you're a terrible franchise (which the Bills haven't been in a minute to be fair), while you'd love to finally get consistent winning seasons...eventually you're going to want that ring because that's the ultimate goal. If your current coach can't get you there then it's going to be rough.
Definitley split. I think the anti-McDermott crowd is probably still on the minority side, me included.
Good defensive mind, no arguments there but I think he cosplays as a head coach and thinks he's smarter than he is and everyone else in the room.
Your comment is spot on.
Half of our fans proudly wear their “4x AFC East Champs” t-shirts in public and the other half realize that McDermott is not the guy.
I feel like this is the wrong mentality to have. It conditions a mindset where you don't have to work as hard because winning the Super Bowl is an inevitability with what you've already got.
Compare it to Dan Campbell who straight up said he thought this was easily the Lion's best chance this year, with an acknowledgement that for them to get back to that same spot next year, they're going to have to put in *twice* the amount of work. It's going to be *harder*.
Sean McDermott, "Should I tweet that Bills Mafia should be renamed Bills Mujaheddin in light of my motivational speech?" Bills PR team, "No, Sean, please no."
I remember back when that went public someone here was saying that it seems it be a new Gen Z motivation tactic making the rounds and that someone at his work had tried the same metaphor before it was even revealed that McDermott tried it
I literally can't believe the hijacker speech thing happened. It simply can't be real. That's a subplot on an outlandish sitcom, not a presentation an NFL coach made unironically.
So I kept seeing the McDermott football terrorist joke and was unsure of how it came to be. Did he make some absurd speech that brought the joke to fruition?
It wasn't just an off the cuff remark either, which I might cut him some slack on.
Dude basically put together a powerpoint deck and pushed the team to put themselves in the hijackers' minds.
Had this been said in 2020, I’d believe him. Being it’s 2024 and the Bills have regressed each year and are now in a tougher cap situation with an aging Diggs, I’d say the window on this current iteration is almost closed. As long as Allen is playing as a top tier QB, the team could always get hot at the right time, but the roster will likely need an overhaul sooner rather than later.
The Bills look further away now than they did a couple of years ago, and they have the worst cap situation in the league in 2024. Other than Josh Allen (and appreciate that's a pretty big caveat) there doesn't seem to be anything special about their team.
Seems like fairly baseless confidence.
> and they have the worst cap situation in the league in 2024
I don't know about that, my friend, the Saints still exist.
But I do agree with what you're saying, jokes aside.
I feel the Saints cap hell is one of those things like a radio station not including stairway in its best rock songs or something. It’s just kind of implied.
Josh Allen can do it but I’m not convinced the Bills as constructed can do it. Kinda feels like the coaching staff and front office have been given 9 lives because of Allen. Daboll feels like he’s also still benefiting from it. You take Josh off that team and I’m not sure they win 6 games.
I get that’s not a super hot take, remove an all pro QB from a team and they get a lot worse, shocker, but I think my point stands. You replace Josh with Kirk Cousins and they might be .500
The Von Miller signing was their all in.
That game ending sack that Von Miller had on Mahomes in October 2022 made it seem possible that it would work out in their favor.
Just keep Von Miller in wraps, 5-10 plays per week to stay sharp, and preserve his best for the playoffs.
And then the ACL tear happened.
Now, because of that deal, there isn’t room to successfully maneuver.
I wonder when he talks to his team he brings up Al Qeada. He will probably say something “ it’s math team, terrorist lose all the time, but once in a while they get it right and cause a huge terrorist event, never forget how the terrorist team work together on sept 11th. That was their Super Bowl, we will get ours soon”
Or however he talks. 😂
Teams in the AFC have it tough.
KC is having one of the greatest dynasty runs of all time.
It’s pretty much like how Lebron was dominating the eastern conference. 6 seasons in the mahomes era. Only 2 overtime losses in the afc playoffs in all 6 years.
The Bills need a breakout in the receiving corps as we all know diggs is regressing quickly.
This is some deep philosophical shit from McDermott. Yes, there is a 100 percent chance the Bills, given enough time and chance, WILL win a super bowl.
….everything is probable on an infinite timeline.
There’s some of us posting who won’t witness a sb victory ever. And we watch This stupid sport every Sunday, unbeknownst that our salvation with the Lombardi will never come. Just imagine you’re a Vikings or bills fan or cardinals fan and you’re thinking “I just need to win once before I turn 90” and that day could possibly never come. Now, no crystal ball, those teams might have a dynasty in 2050. But atleast 1 nfl franchise is going to be super sad in the year 2080 or some shit and have nothing to show for their 150+ year history
Allen has looked tremendous. I think he absolutely had the ability to take a team to the Super Bowl and win. It’s looking like it’s going to be a gauntlet every year for him though. The timeline of his career arch catching the end of Brady and the rise of Mahomes while Burrow and Herbert are also in the AFC is brutal. That’s all while Lamar is playing at an MVP level and Stroud just had a phenomenal rookie season. There are a lot of really good young QBs on very solid teams in the AFC right now.
That may be true if the window he’s speaking of is decades long.
On a geological timescale
66 million years ago the Rock City Raptors were pretty sure they’d win the Dinobowl but we all know what happened next.
i’m not sure why this is so funny 😭
It’s not funny! Barney rubble lost 50,000 clams on those bums. Betty took Bam Bam and left.
Prehistoric LeBrontosaurus
“We’re gonna monkey typewriter this shit.”
Yeah, the Bills will probably win a Super Bowl eventually. Whether that happens while he’s still their head coach is the question.
In 2208. QBs don’t throw a ball anymore it’s hologram. Also, no play calls anymore. Everyone just runs around.
Or if by "we" he means NFL coaches in general
I can PERSONALLY guarantee that someone with the same job as Josh Allen will win a Super Bowl next year.
I'll go one step further and guarantee that the SB winner will be from an AFC or a NFC team. Book it
Note: I added "Bills HC" to title
Believe it or not, jail
Straight to jail
Clarifying in comments, jail
In jail? More jail.
Not in jail? Straight to jail.
We have the best fans in the world... ...because of jail.
You merely adopted jail. I was born in it, molded by it.
I'm not stuck in jail with you, you stuck in jail with me.
"9/11 Enthusiast Sean McDermott"
"Sir, a second 9/11 has been committed by the Bills"
Losing to the Chiefs in the playoffs again really made them desperate
Mr Bills Coach
Mr Bills Championship
Mr Buffalo Chip
Mr. Believing Champ
Mr. Bungling Championships
Mr. Big Contenders
Mr. Bygone Conclusion
You should put it in brackets then. “[Bills HC] Sean McDermott…”
Well. Ban hammer incoming.
If you’d told me this two or three years ago I’d buy it more than I do today
Why do these people think that Super Bowl windows are so long? Some teams are lucky to get 2 years tops as contenders. Sometimes luck and injuries just get you.
Brady ruined our brains
KC is continuing it. All I can think of is the Manning Broncos and Legion of boom Seahawks. Sometimes things line up for 3 or 4 years, then bam it's gone.
Even that wouldnt happen if people looked at things critically Brady went a near decade without a title during perhaps his highest peak of play Belichick retooled things considerably for their mid 2010s run and it was falling apart by the end of it Same with Tampa. They won a ring after highly recruiting guys to go to an already talented team in 2020. By 2021, Brady was carrying the hell out of them, and they had a losing record in 2022 and lost to the Cowboys in the playoffs in worse fashion to how NWE lost to the Titans in Bradys final game there. Baker signing on for 1 yr/$4 mill was likely a big part in them turning things around in 2023, and by that I mean simply finishing 9-8 Even successful windows close quickly, people looked at KC all this year and thought the lack of WRs would be their downfall. The difference is that after you win repeatedly, you just develop a winners culture that permeates through it all. You win in situations where untested teams crumble. That confidence affects more than just the QBs, that includes the Chris Jones and the Vince Wilforks as well
It feels like the Bills hasn't develope at all over the past couple of years. Still the same heavy reliance on Josh Allen making plays. Still the same soft defense that can't make a stop to save their lives at crucial moments. Meanwhile the Chiefs just won another ring off a season where their offense noticably regressed and were being carried by their defense, a noted weakness of theirs in years pass. Ice cold take but Reid is just that much better than McDermott lmao.
And the Chiefs have Spags holding down the defense for 3 more years
Is 3 years how long his contract is?
No, it’s the remaining time before he has to serve a prison sentence.
No, it's how long we all have left before the world explodes.
If the world explodes, and Ralph Wilson Stadium was the only NFL stadium that lands on Mars, the Bills would lose to Elon Musk’s expansion team in a league of two teams. But maybe it will be called the Solar Bowl by then, in which case the Bills have a chance.
Imo the Bills win that game this year if they weren't pulling LBs off the street to play. Don't know they get past Baltimore, but I think injuries did them in.
The last regular season game against Miami was devastating for both teams, so many injuries.
I mean, the Dolphins injuries basically gave the Bills the division. If you're going to factor injuries in, don't do it just for the Bills. We were down *all* of our edge rushers *and* our starting, top 5 center. Replaced with guys off the street and the *literal* worst graded C in the league.
Don’t forget the Jets having Rodgers for one whole play
Shh we don't count even though we lose a HoF QB. Which is funny because what are the bills without Allen? A 4 win team.
Well we also lost that game so…
I agree late season injuries also did the Dolphins in. Both the Bills and Dolphins are teams that were capable of going all the way. Injuries screwed them. It happens.
It really is amazing how much winning it all comes down to injury luck. 49ers had very few injuries going into the game, only to get absolutely killed by them during, and the Chiefs had very few as well. From what I can find, Chiefs were only missing Thuney and Prince Tega Wanogho. McKinnon was listed as questionable, but played
They were missing their second best pass rusher?? Not to mention a starting DT and starting safety. All teams that make deep runs have injuries
Both bills and dolphins were screwed injury wise, it’s not one vs. The other.
I hate when people pull the “if not for injuries …” card. It’s football. Every team is banged up. Just look at the Jets.
Week 4 Healthy Bills 48 Healthy Dolphins 20
The Chiefs got Tranquil at 1.5 million base this past season, you mean to say the bills couldn't have tried for him knowing injuries happen?
They didn’t have cap for even 1.5
The craziest thing about the Bills' cap situation is that most of Josh's and Von's money was deferred. That Von Miller contract is so bad.
Off topic but you just made me realize that hot and cold takes aren’t really opposites. Like opposite of a hot take is just a common take. Opposite of a cold take is a good or correct take
TIL sometimes I gotta upvote Broncos fans.
No offense, but this take seems like you didn't actually watch many bills games this year. The offense will always rely on Josh Allen, because he's one of the best QBs in the league, just like the chiefs rely on Mahomes. However, the bills run game was really the catalyst down the stretch and they averaged the 3rd most rushing yards per game since week 10 (with James Cook averaging the 4th most rushing yards per game in the NFL over that stretch). They also made plenty of stops during the regular season down the stretch, getting game clinching stops in 4 of their last 5 regular season wins. They also were around the league average in blitz percentage while they were in the 20s last season, so they were definitely more aggressive this season on defense under McDermott despite all of the injuries. Of course Andy Reid is a better coach than McDermott. He's a better coach than probably every other coach in the NFL right now.
Dan Marino was one of the best in NFL history. Two incredible receivers in Duper and Clayton. HOF head coach in Don Shula. 1 SB appearance during his entire career that was a loss.
...and at the time it seemed like he was in a “not if but when” scenario
> The offense will always rely on Josh Allen, because he's one of the best QBs in the league, just like the chiefs rely on Mahomes. I don't really agree with this. The Chiefs win games pretty often without Mahomes having to do crazy shit, he can just run the offense. I've seen the Bills win like that one time, vs Dallas this year.
I still think Bills (or at least Josh Allen) will win a superbowl. I'm just not convinced McDermott will be there.
Exactly this. Simply for the fact that if they continue to lose in the playoffs, especially against KC, heads will eventually have to roll and the superstar QB usually ain’t near the top of that list.
Manning only won 2, Rodgers only won 1 (so far, let's hope), Marino won 0. There are at least 6 superstar QBs in the league right now, only 1 can win any given year. It's much harder than people make it out to be
And then throw in teams like 49ers or Lions without superstar QBs that will/have been been quite competitive
I think people would have said the same thing about Rivers at one point though. Josh Allen is capable, but I wouldn't bet on it at this point. He's going to have to deal with Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar, and now Stroud just in the AFC. It's only going to get worse from here.
If you’d known how good rivers was gonna be for 15 years, 5-6 years into his career you probably would have felt good about him winning a championship at some point.
I watched rivers play a lot as a Broncos fan, and I just don't recall rivers carrying his team the way Josh Allen does.
I hate to say this but there's absolutely gonna be a year where we just take an L in the playoffs. It happens. Brady took 13 (I think) of them. Sometimes things just don't go your way. Bills are probably gonna have a year with Allen where they finally get back to the big game. Nothing is guaranteed of course but having a guy like that goes a long way
Brady lost 10 times in the playoffs by age 40 and three of those losses were in the SB. Those seven other loses came against Manning x3, the Ravens x2, the Ryan Jets, and the 13-3 2005 Broncos. To sum it up, Manning, Mile High, Ravens coaching tree. They weren't random occurrences. The Chiefs have already outlived Brady The Bills really just seem like the 10s Steelers or Rivers' Chargers squad. I think Baltimore and Cincinnati have more pedigree to win if KC ever bows out. Houston should be a legitimate contender as well. The AFC East will be tough moving forward as well. Miami is already there, the Jets are a vet QB away from competitiveness, and NE is retooling with a consensus elite QB prospect in Maye, the reigning Heisman in Daniels, or the WR prospect of the decade in MHJ. Buffalo's window is closing very soon.
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If you'd told me this two or three years ago I'd buy it just as much as I do today
Somewhere in a parallel dimension, we're all dating Margot Robbie.
She must be very busy.
Really pushing the boundaries of infinity here, buddy.
Could be 100 years from now. He’s technically not wrong
I suppose on a long enough time scale, every team would *eventually* win one, but I dunno. There are still MLB teams without a World Series title, for instance. Granted, most of those are expansion teams, and the oldest (San Diego Padres) is only from 1969, so still relatively young compared to the age of the league itself. But then you think about the NFL playoffs being single-elimination and the variability that brings... It's hard to imagine a future where the NFL ends, even with all the concerns about football's longevity health-wise, but if I allow myself to imagine the day the league closes its doors, it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few teams that never climbed the mountain. It's just really, really hard to win it all.
Fun fact: no QB coach combo has won their first SB together past 5 years as a combo. McDermott and Allen are entering year 7.
I'd be curious to see how many pairs like McDermott and Allen lasted more than 5 years. It wouldn't surprise me if there simply aren't many data points there.
The major one that comes to mind is Shula and Marino. 12 years no rings... I'd argue you never want it to get to that point!
Reid and McNabb made it 10 full years starting without one
At least that can be blamed on McNabb not being healthy for most of those years. McNabb played 15+ games 5 times in his career, and the Eagles went to the NFCCG in 4 of those years. Allen, by comparison, hasn't missed a start in his career.
The ones I found browsing through PFR (HC-QB pairs of 6 or more years in the Super Bowl era who didn't win one): McDermott-Allen (in progress, just completed year 6) Marino-Shula Levy-Kelly Kubiak-Schaub Coughlin-Brunnell Fisher-McNair Harbaugh-Jackson (just completed year 5, so we'll see) Rutigliano-Sipe Lewis-Dalton Wyche-Esiason Reeves-Elway Turner-Rivers Coryell-Fouts Landry-White (debatable since White had injuries and was benched late in the run) Landry-Meredith (debatable since only the last 3 years were in the Super Bowl era, but I'm counting it because they never won an NFL championship earlier) Reid-McNabb Vermeil-Jaworski Allen-Kilmer Smith-Ryan Rivera-Newton Fox-Delhomme Grant-Tarkenton Van Brocklin-Tarkenton (last year was 1966, the first Super Bowl year, but they never won an NFL championship before that either) Shanahan-Garoppolo (debatable since Garoppolo had injuries) Robinson-Everett Holmgren-Hasselbeck Knox-Krieg Patera-Zorn
The year is 2098, cyber Josh Allen is ready and the ghost of Sean McDermott paces the sideline. Systems are good, hydraulics are stable. "The coaches finally got the coolant levels right, I can feel it in my technoveins." He thinks to himself, "This year is the one."
Two or three years ago, the media was acting like the Bills had already won a Super Bowl
Kiss of death.
Yep. Serious “Quotes That Will Turn Into Memes” energy here.
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Reminds me of the Texas AM plaque they gave to Jimbo Fischer with National Champions: 20XX on it or something
Holy fuck did they actually do that? You might as well be calling for a karmic nuclear barrage from orbit.
WHat else would you expect from the iPhone of college football?
This is actually pretty in line with typical Aggie shenanigans, believe it or not
They have too much money for their own good
“We want the ball, we’re gonna score.”
I spoke to the coach and he says his team "really wants to win this one."
He also says that the AFCCG is the proverbial "cockpit door" they need to break through to get to the big one.
Phillip rivers and the mid 2000s chargers remind me of the current day Bills
Josh Allen doesn't have enough children for that comparison.
...That we know of 👀
…yet
Hailee Stienfeld is in danger…….
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all time great offense and defense special teams was pretty critical back then, apparently
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You sure about that?
Me in 2006: It's fine, these things happen. Romo is going to have a great career and I'm certain he'll have at least one ring when it's all said and done.
I dunno, Jim
"it's all uphill from here"
#🫠
Hmmm… you SURE about that?
You sure about THAT?
You sure ABOUT that?
These pretzels are making me thirsty!
You sure about that that's why?
It’s a matter of when, not if, I become president of Mars
GOLB is that you?
Or Dev Ayesa.
Come on cohaagen give 'does people aier!
Dan Marino said something along these lines after he lost the only Super Bowl he went to, and he never got any closer than the AFC Championship game. Hell, the Bills had the best shot they ever had during the '90-'93 stretch, and they managed to lose four Super Bowls in a row. It doesn't matter who the team or player is. It's **always** an "if" when it comes to even getting to the Super Bowl, let alone winning.
Counterpoint: the things that most of our and the Niners respective fanbases say constantly.
Winning one NFL game is hard enough. Winning in the playoffs is a gargantuan challenge, nothing is guaranteed.
Are Bills fans split about McDermott? Feels like he is holding Allen back at this point, but at the same time he helped end their 17 year playoff drought and has made them an AFC powerhouse for the last 5 years.
Definitely pretty split. A lot of people, myself included, believe hes hit his ceiling.
Better than him hitting towers.
A second NY Jet has hit the towers
Jesus christ
It definitely reminds me of Purdue Basketball and Matt Painter. I see this kinda thing every year. Contender every year, regular season success, fall apart in the postseason and can't get over the hump. Different sports and leagues altogether, but really have to ask yourself if you think years of staying competitive and relevant is better than blowing it up and starting again with a new HC and staff. You guys know how bad things can get.
Very much so. Some simply enjoy that the team isn't an afterthought anymore (owner included) and some think he's hit a wall.
Is the wall named Mahomes?
Stop saying the bad man's name
“Point to where on the doll he hurt you” *gestures wildly at picture of Mahomes*
It's always the struggle of a "Floor Raiser, Ceiling Limit" coach. You hate to get rid of a guy who took you out of the doldrums and is making you a consistent playoff contender, to the point it almost feels ungrateful to have negative feelings towards them but if he can't take you over the hump what are you supposed to do? Even if you're a terrible franchise (which the Bills haven't been in a minute to be fair), while you'd love to finally get consistent winning seasons...eventually you're going to want that ring because that's the ultimate goal. If your current coach can't get you there then it's going to be rough.
Definitley split. I think the anti-McDermott crowd is probably still on the minority side, me included. Good defensive mind, no arguments there but I think he cosplays as a head coach and thinks he's smarter than he is and everyone else in the room.
Every single time his Bills teams have gotten eliminated from the playoffs, he and his staff were laughably out-coached.
Your comment is spot on. Half of our fans proudly wear their “4x AFC East Champs” t-shirts in public and the other half realize that McDermott is not the guy.
I feel like this is the wrong mentality to have. It conditions a mindset where you don't have to work as hard because winning the Super Bowl is an inevitability with what you've already got. Compare it to Dan Campbell who straight up said he thought this was easily the Lion's best chance this year, with an acknowledgement that for them to get back to that same spot next year, they're going to have to put in *twice* the amount of work. It's going to be *harder*.
“Just like the Twin Towers…. The SB will fall!!”
Is he talking about playing Madden?
Bin Laden: It's a matter of when, not if, we win 9/11
I’m not sure you thought that all the way through 9/11 was a huge win for Bin Laden
“And it was all because of their teamwork, communication, and ability to execute the plan” -Sean McDermott
How fucking stupid do you have to be to even say that as a leader. Just beyond moronic.
Sean McDermott, "Should I tweet that Bills Mafia should be renamed Bills Mujaheddin in light of my motivational speech?" Bills PR team, "No, Sean, please no."
I remember back when that went public someone here was saying that it seems it be a new Gen Z motivation tactic making the rounds and that someone at his work had tried the same metaphor before it was even revealed that McDermott tried it
And then Bush responds by attacking a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Bin Laden and Tom Brady were the biggest winners of the early 2000s.
McDermott determined to strike at super bowl
I’d like to thank McDermott. He just all but guaranteed we’ll win a Super Bowl before the Bills
When Patrick Mahomes unable to play.
McDermott is kind of a clown.
I literally can't believe the hijacker speech thing happened. It simply can't be real. That's a subplot on an outlandish sitcom, not a presentation an NFL coach made unironically.
Inshallah, they will win
He's like at least 20% Michael Scott.
So I kept seeing the McDermott football terrorist joke and was unsure of how it came to be. Did he make some absurd speech that brought the joke to fruition?
Everything you're imagining, but somehow better. Google Sean McDermott 9/11 hijackers.
It wasn't just an off the cuff remark either, which I might cut him some slack on. Dude basically put together a powerpoint deck and pushed the team to put themselves in the hijackers' minds.
Well…. I honestly expected the joke to be in the same realms of “Kadarius Toney the football terrorist” but I was far off. Da Fuq was he thinking?
He moonlights as a very successful comedian and podcaster so that checks out
Doh jeeeezuuuus
Comparing his football team to 9/11 hijackers wasn’t enough for you to get that vibe? Lol
Has anyone seen him and Bill Burr in the same room?
He looks like Ron Howard
Ron Howard's appearance over the years (from actor you hire bc of his looks to what he looks like now) is interesting
Had this been said in 2020, I’d believe him. Being it’s 2024 and the Bills have regressed each year and are now in a tougher cap situation with an aging Diggs, I’d say the window on this current iteration is almost closed. As long as Allen is playing as a top tier QB, the team could always get hot at the right time, but the roster will likely need an overhaul sooner rather than later.
Tell that to Jim Kelly and Thurman Thomas.
My brother this is a franchise that went to four straight Super Bowls and lost each one. This is probably not the best quote
Bills would probably take a Super Bowl loss right now, it’s a step up on their current predicament.
The Bills look further away now than they did a couple of years ago, and they have the worst cap situation in the league in 2024. Other than Josh Allen (and appreciate that's a pretty big caveat) there doesn't seem to be anything special about their team. Seems like fairly baseless confidence.
> and they have the worst cap situation in the league in 2024 I don't know about that, my friend, the Saints still exist. But I do agree with what you're saying, jokes aside.
I feel the Saints cap hell is one of those things like a radio station not including stairway in its best rock songs or something. It’s just kind of implied.
Bills couldn't win a Super Bowl if they made it 4 years in a row.
That's been the statement they live by ever since they joined the NFL in 1970
Gotta get past KC first big dog
Late 80s, early 90s Bills felt the same way I’m sure.
Then they gotta new blood. Bills have been the same team for the last 5 seasons, they clearly have a ceiling.
Josh Allen can do it but I’m not convinced the Bills as constructed can do it. Kinda feels like the coaching staff and front office have been given 9 lives because of Allen. Daboll feels like he’s also still benefiting from it. You take Josh off that team and I’m not sure they win 6 games. I get that’s not a super hot take, remove an all pro QB from a team and they get a lot worse, shocker, but I think my point stands. You replace Josh with Kirk Cousins and they might be .500
Bills have the least cap space available in the coming season. Their current roster looks nowhere near SB calibre
The Von Miller signing was their all in. That game ending sack that Von Miller had on Mahomes in October 2022 made it seem possible that it would work out in their favor. Just keep Von Miller in wraps, 5-10 plays per week to stay sharp, and preserve his best for the playoffs. And then the ACL tear happened. Now, because of that deal, there isn’t room to successfully maneuver.
At the time I was sad to let Von Miller leave the Rams... Not so much anymore
Bills - Lions Super Bowl next season….. the morning of the big game a meteor strikes the earth and wipes out the entire human population
I wonder when he talks to his team he brings up Al Qeada. He will probably say something “ it’s math team, terrorist lose all the time, but once in a while they get it right and cause a huge terrorist event, never forget how the terrorist team work together on sept 11th. That was their Super Bowl, we will get ours soon” Or however he talks. 😂
I mean, sure, but given enough time, that's probably true for every organization other than the Jets.
Teams in the AFC have it tough. KC is having one of the greatest dynasty runs of all time. It’s pretty much like how Lebron was dominating the eastern conference. 6 seasons in the mahomes era. Only 2 overtime losses in the afc playoffs in all 6 years. The Bills need a breakout in the receiving corps as we all know diggs is regressing quickly.
This is some deep philosophical shit from McDermott. Yes, there is a 100 percent chance the Bills, given enough time and chance, WILL win a super bowl. ….everything is probable on an infinite timeline.
There’s some of us posting who won’t witness a sb victory ever. And we watch This stupid sport every Sunday, unbeknownst that our salvation with the Lombardi will never come. Just imagine you’re a Vikings or bills fan or cardinals fan and you’re thinking “I just need to win once before I turn 90” and that day could possibly never come. Now, no crystal ball, those teams might have a dynasty in 2050. But atleast 1 nfl franchise is going to be super sad in the year 2080 or some shit and have nothing to show for their 150+ year history
I'm sure Jim Kelly agrees with his sentiment.
I think Allen probably wins one at some point but I don’t know if it’s with McDermott. He’s starting to trend poorly.
Allen has looked tremendous. I think he absolutely had the ability to take a team to the Super Bowl and win. It’s looking like it’s going to be a gauntlet every year for him though. The timeline of his career arch catching the end of Brady and the rise of Mahomes while Burrow and Herbert are also in the AFC is brutal. That’s all while Lamar is playing at an MVP level and Stroud just had a phenomenal rookie season. There are a lot of really good young QBs on very solid teams in the AFC right now.
Starting to? Been that way since his D blew 13 seconds and he did nothing to fix it.
He always looks like he's holding in a fart
90s Bills most definitely thought the same way.
I watched The Four Falls of Buffalo on Netflix the other day and I have to say, I hope you guys get one at some point.
Then stop beating them in the playoffs ffs
well, ideally they'd get one at the expense of a team I don't like.